hello, i m john berman. michaela pereira is off today. we d like to welcome our viewers to the united states and around the world. breaking news at this hour. a highly anticipated and extremely controversial report due out any minute details just what cia interrogators did to terror detainees after september 11 and if it worked. any minute now senator dianne feinstein will present this report. you re looking at live pictures of the senate well. the senator will detail tactics and policies used during the bush administration against al qaeda suspects waterboarding, sleep deprivations, reservations about secret overseas prisons. the so-called black sites, all that expected to be included. what is in the report is controversial, releasing it at all is controversial. heightened security around the world because of fears the report could spark anti-american violence. evan perez has a preview of what s in the report. also, dana bash who just spoke with senator dianne feinstein. senior white house correspondent jim acosta, pentagon correspondent barbara starr and with us from cairo where there are security concerns is ian lee. first, we want to go to evan perez with a look at what this report will say. good morning, evan. good morning, john. there s no doubt this is going to be a really ugly day for the cia. this report has been fought over for years now. for the last few months the cia has been working with the white house and with the senate to try to decide what to release in this report. the findings are going to be really ugly in the sense that we re going to learn a lot more about what went on in this program. we know for a fact that there s going to be more information about the detainees, what they were subjected to. we also know that the report will portray the cia as going beyond what the methods that were authorized by memos that were done by the justice department and that it misled, according to the democrats who did this report, that it misled the justice department, misled the white house, and misled congress about what it was doing with the detainees. we expect we ll get details about detainee deaths that occurred while if this program and overall it s going to portray the cia as mismanaging this program and didn t produce much intelligence according to the democrats and, in fact, the big question is did this program help find osama bin laden. as you know he was killed in a u.s. raid. that s going to be still in dispute when the day is done. we expect that the cia will produce its own report, john, that will say that it did, indeed, provide intelligence that led to the capture or to the finding of bin laden. the senate democrats are going to say that it did not. so that s what we re going to have at the end of the day. probably much in dispute about this program. indeed. divisive to say the least. as one senator put it this morning, this report will say the cia did use torture and it didn t work and now evan you are reporting that this report will also say the cia was misleading to federal officials as well. we ll check back with you as you get more details of what s inside the report. i want to go to dana bash, our chief congressional correspondent. at the center of this whole something senator dianne feinstein. she will be speaking on the senate floor any minute. it s really senator feinstein who has decided and pushed for the release of the report today. you just spoke with her. that s right. as you know we ve been reporting all morning about the fact that military personnel, m boosy personnel and other u.s. personnel around the world are on high alert because of the fear of repercussions from the release of this report. so i just caught up with the senator, the chairwoman of the intelligence committee as she was going from her office to the senate floor where she ll give her speech and i asked her about that. how do you respond to those who worry that releasing this will put american lives at risk? well, i ll respond to that in my remarks. . there really is no good time and i think the greatness of this country is that we can examine mistakes and remedy them. and that is the hallmark of a great and just society so anything can happen at any time without a report. there s no question about that. and there will be a very good chance that because of the change in the senate, the report will not do anything. reporter: so you re doing this because you re going to lose the chairmanship? not necessarily. reporter: or because democrats are going to lose control? no, but there that s obviously a factor. there are a lot of factors that you weigh. this hasn t been an easy decision to move ahead and i ll make that clear. just to button that, we should remind our viewers that as of likely this thursday when the lame duck session is over democrats will effectively not have control, republicans don t formally take control until january but there won t be any business done so that was what the senator was referring to is that this is her chance, her last chance as chairwoman of the committee. she referred, john, to the fact that this hasn t been easy. boy is that an understatement. this has been years in the making. the senator and the intelligence committee, mostly on the democratic side, have been very much pushing for information. there has been a lot of controversy, tension about it. there have been accusations from senator feinstein herself about the cia hacking into senate commuters. it s, again, not been easy and she is no dove. she is very hawkish but she feels this is important to do as others have said because we re not north korea, we re not russia, we are a transparent society and this is why it s important. dana, there s been out and out acrimony between the committee and cia which is something you almost never see. dana bash, thanks so much again. we are waiting to hear from senator dianne feinstein the chair of the senate select committee on intelligence. she will be revealing new details about what is in this highly an patriotanticipated controversial report, called the cia torture report, what went on after september 11 to get information from terror detainees. i want to go to the white house. jim adocosta is there. jim, president obama, then senator obama ran largely on releasing the details of what went on. he was adamantly opposed to it as a candidate. now that he s been president for a number of years it is much more complicated. it is much more complicated and it would be interesting to do a then and now because i think they see more grays at the white house. make no mistakes, when president obama came into office in 2009 one of his first executive orders was to ban these so-called enhanced interrogation techniques which included waterboarding which, by the way, arizona senator john mccain, president obama s republican rival in 2008, he has referred to waterboarding as torture. the president in recent years has said we tortured some folks. so there s no dispute as to where the president stands on this. however we should point out and dana was talking about that somewhat. in the last several days you have noticed a hesitation on the part of this administration and that they knew this would be problematic in terms of releasing these results. we should point out that just yesterday the intelligence community after vetting and reviewing the intelligence committee s report returned that back to congress, returned that become to feinstein so she could release this redacted version and according to an administration official i talked to last night, john, this is 93% unredacted so there are some redactions in this 600-page executive summary of this 6,000 page report but according to the official nothing will be lost in the narrative. so there is going to be some detail here that perhaps the american people haven t seen before. but the chief complaint, the chief, i guess, technique in all of this that is really objected to by a lot of democrats is this use of waterboarding. it was used extensively on a number of detainees during the bush administration. president bush, vice president dick cheney when they were in office they maintained over and over again that this was not torture. president obama came into office and that s what happens when presidents change parties. when a president coming into office he can do what he wants to do when it comes to conducting war and peace and the president decided he was going to ban these techniques. make mo no mistake, i think this is a very difficult decision for white house to release this information. not only because of the unforeseen consequences that you might see around the world, violence, attacks and so forth, but keep in mind this president won t be in office much longer. he ll be gone in two years. the next president can come along from a different party and go back and decide and review what happened during this administration, drone attacks and so forth, so it does set a precedent and i think makes this administration a little uneasy, john. jim acosta, stick around. we will want the white house reaction when senator dianne feinstein, the chair of the senate intelligence committee, is due to speak in any minute. she will reveal new details of what s in the report. you heard jim mention it. waterboarding, the enhanced interrogation techniques that were used to get information from terror detainees after september 11 during the bush administration. again, the details of what is in that report will be released any minute. but even before those details are released, the report is controversial and all around the world u.s. marines have been asked to be on a heightened state of alert to respond if there are any protests or violence directed at americans because of this report. i want to bring in our pentagon correspondent barbara starr to give us details about 24 heightened security. barbara? john, good morning. the pentagon may make the case that much of this has been out there in the press in recent years, that the world knows an awful lot about this. but not really, because starting last week an order came from the joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey, the chairman, out to the worldwide combatant commanders to be ready when the report is released. the concern is a lot of material may appear online now. it will be read around the world. whether it is accurate, ink context or propaganda put out y about the cia by isis, there may be may be violent repercussions. the concern is u.s. embassies, u.s. military bases around the world, u.s. troops in afghanistan, in iraq, in the middle east. so what has happened since last week is u.s. marine which is basically run the emergency response forces in africa and in the middle east have been put on this heightened state of alert. they are now ready to go faster than ever before if a violent situation was to break out. look, let s be clear. the pentagon, the white house, congress, everybody hopes it does not happen. but it has happened in the past. u.s. embassies have come under attack and, of course, ever recalls the situation with the u.s. government compound in benghazi, libya. that is what they are trying to avoid. a violent backlash that the military could not be ready to respond to so these marines now on alert, ready to move if something were to happen. john? on alert and ready to move. one place you can bet the united states has its eye on right now, thanks, barbara starr, one place the united states no doubt has its eye on is cairo. cairo, of course, it was site of violent demonstrations after the video many people saw as anti-islam, the u.s. embassy in cairo came under attack there. i want to check in with ian lee in cairo to give us a sense of what precautions are being taken and if there is concern and visible concern that you can see there today. ian? john, i had a conversation with the u.s. embassy and they re telling me they won t comment on just procedures. in 2012 there was a breaching of the perimeter by anti-american demonstrators, the breaching of the u.s. embassy perimeter since then rts, security has been stepped up, there s more barriers, a larger police presence and the military is close by if needed. but when we talk about the street and the genre action, there s mild interest, not very much what we re hearing that people are saying. where the real damning reports could come from are egypt, for example, was one of the cia s rendition program. if they are mentioned this could be embarrassing for the government and as well for their intelligence community. we haven t heard any reaction from the egyptian governments yet but we re also waiting to see what are in the details. if something is very explosive in this report, then that could we could see the effect of that in the street. john. ian lee in cairo. yes, the details so important, what is in this report. and any minute now we will hear from dianne 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angieslist.com today. welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. any minute now, senator dianne feinstein, the chair of the senate select committee on intelligence, will give a speech on the senate floor outlining her committee s report on what is being call cda torture techniques. how they question terror suspects after september 11 during the bush administration, what these techniques were, whether they were effective and now we have just learned also how they were represented to the administration and the government at the time. again, that speech any second but the report just posted online. we have the details of what it says. i m going to go to our justice correspondent evan perez. evan, it says the techniques were not effective and not only that it says what they were doing, the cia, was misrepresented to the government at the time. that s right, john. as i mention, this is going to be dark for the cia because all along they ve said this program produced valuable intelligence. this report that s been done by the senate democrats which looksed at six million pages of documents in the cia is concluded otherwise. the senate found there were at least 119 prisoners who went through the cia program that s a bigger number than we have ever known. the cia has previously only said about 100. we know a third of them were suggest to what the cia called enhanced interrogation tactics, eits, this is what people call torture. waterboarding, slapping b, sleep deprivation. other thing s things we know so prisoners died as a result of these tactics. led me read to you the main finding from the senate. that the enhanced interrogation did not produce otherwise unavailable information necessary to save lives. that s something the cia will push back very hard on because they believe that people in the bush administration and the cia believe this program did save lives. they say it s a program they disavowed. that they would never do this again and that it was wrong but they can t they say you cannot say it produced valuable intelligence and that it s unknowable whether it would have been gotten otherwise. as you mentioned, the findings are that the program was ineffective. that the cia misled the white house, it misled congress and the justice department about what it was doing. that the program was far more brutal in the tactics being used against these detainees. we know one detainee at one location died after he was held naked for days chained to a wall and that he died of hypothermia, for example. so that s another finding in this report. we also are told from the report that the program produced inaccurate information. it led to the fbi and the cia having to chase down leads that turned out to be nothing because people misread information, because, for example, khalid sheikh mohammed, while he was being waterboarded, admitted to things that the cia wanted him to admit to which turned out to be false and not true. so, again, these are some very ugly findings that we expect. we have a bunch of people here at cnn poring over the details of this report. we ll expect to have some more. evan, stick around. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. we are getting the details of what is inside the senate intelligence committee report on cia techniques to get information from terror suspects during the bush administration evan perez outlined what the techniques were, harsher than what the situation was told at the time. misrepresented, evan just reported to the administration at the time. evan also inside this report there is an open question about what the cia was telling the president. whether the president, in fact, knew what the cia was doing at some of these black sites. that s right, john. that s something i think we re going to end the day here without really knowing the full answer. we know that president bush in his own biography says that he knew full well what was going on. he was in control and he authorized this program. we know that the justice department authorized this program. however. the cia documents don t indicate that he was ever briefed until 2006. so while a lot of the abuses that are described in this report are going on, 2002, 2003, 2004, the president was not being briefed. we know that at some point the cia was preparing to brief some of the top officials in the bush administration but then they decided not to in part because according to some of the documents they were afraid that it was going to leak and in particular the colin powell would blow his lid is what i think one description of this the way how this was described in reaction to what was being done. to be clear, president george w. bush in an interview can w candy karolyi made it clear he stands behind what the cia did and what happened during his administration. vice president dick cheney very publicly as well. evan, stick around. i want to go to our chief correspondent dana bash. already i can see republicans lashing out at this report. some republicans where you are are calling it fiction. that s right. and you just saw senators were voting. our team is talking to senators while they re coming off of the senate floor. one of whom is senator richard brr. he is going to be the next chair of the senate intelligence committee, the next dianne feinstein, if you will. republican. he called it fiction. he told our ted barrett that he does not believe that this is an accurate portrayal of what really went on because he says that the committee and its staff didn t interview everybody involved, the operatives in particular. he said that they got their facts wrong and it went on from there. it s no secret that most of the republicans on the intelligence committee did not like this, did not cooperate and they re going to have their own kind of rebuttal report, if you will. so that is exactly the kind of thing that we are hearing. not just concern about the fact that this information is being released and what it could mean for the security of americans but questioning the actual content of this report in general. dana bash, thanks so much. i want to go to the white house. they, of course, are watching very closely what is happening on capitol hill and we are awaiting a speech any minute now from senator dianne feinstein, the chair of the senate select committee on intelligence. jim acosta at the white house. the link to the report is posted. the cia has had days to look at it already. what is their official response now that it s been posted. well, there is a response from the president to this report that s being released by the senate intelligence committee, john, and it is pretty scathing, i have to tell you. at the beginning of this statement the president says that he understands that the previous administration, the bush administration, had agonizing choices to make but that some of the choices they made were contrary to our values. and then the president goes on to say about this enhanced interrogation technique program and about the report, it says the report documents a troubling program involving enhanced interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects in secret facilities outside the united states and it reinforces my long-held view that these harsh methods were not only inconsistent with our values as a nation, they did not serve our broader counterterrorism efforts or our national security interesting. moreover, these techniques did significant damage to america s standing in the world and made it harder to pursue our interests with allies and partners. john, we should mention that the cia has also released its own response to this senate intelligence committee report and it also in a statement from the cia director john brennan says that they did not always live up to their values at the agency in carrying out this program. so it is a as e van said, a dark day for the cia and at the same time the white house will be doing a lot of explaining. at the same time, because it took years for this to come to light the white house will face question about why it took so long. it s a scathing report from one administration about the previous administration. jim, what is the white house response about whether president obama has spoken to former president george w. bush about this? they have had dealings over the years. we don t know whether or not president obama and president obama have talked about this. my sense of it is that they have not. but this is an interesting question for this president because as we were saying earlier, john, you know, president obama came into office seeing things in a black-and-white fashion. when it came to this program and over the years as he s had to wage for what the war on terrorism and as he tried to wind it down and now he s ratcheting it back up again and the war on isis, he is finding that he also has to do things that perhaps might make people crazy on capitol hill. in terms of snooping on americans, the surveillance going nonthis country and around the world. so those are tactics and programs and thing this president has done that make civil libertarians tear their hair out and might have made a former senator obama tear his hair out when he was running for president in 2008. so it s interesting to see how they ve tried to get this information out there. knowing there could be ramification once it makes its way around the world, john? jim acosta at the white house, stand by. i want to bring back evan perez who has been going through this report which has just been released. evan, in addition to outlining the details of what techniques were used and where they were used, one of the most scathing claims is the cia misrepresented what they were doing to policymakers and the american public. can you give my specifics about what exactly they said and didn t say and the extent of these misrepresentations? if you look at this program, it was authorize bid this president. i van, i m sorry, i need to cut you off, senator dianne feinstein, the chair of the senate select committee presenting the report right now. the senate intelligence committee s five and a half year review of the cia s detention and interrogation program which was conducted between 2002 and 2009 is being released publicly. the executive summary which is going out today is backed by a 6,700 page classified and unredacted report with 38,000 footnote which is can be released if necessary at a later time. the report released today examines the cia s secret overseas detention of at least 119 individuals and the use of coercive interrogation techniques, in some cases amounting to torture. over the past couple of weeks, i ve gone through a great deal of intro special election about whether to delay the release of this report to a later time. this clearly is a period of turmoil and instability in many parts of the world. unfortunately, that s going to continue for the foreseeable future. whether this report is released or not. there are those who seize upon the report and say see what the americans did? and they will try to use it to justify evil actions or incite more violence. we can t prevent that. but history will judge us by our commitment to a just society governed by law and the willingness to face an ugly truth. and say never again. there may never be the right time to release this report. the instability we see today won t be resolved in months or years but this report is too important to shelve indefinitely. there there has been a campaign of mistaken statements and press articles launched against the report before anyone has had the chance to read it. as a matter of fact, the report is just now as i speak being released. this is what it looks like. senator chambliss asked me if we could have the minority report bound with the majority report. for draft that is not possible but in the final draft it will be bound together. but this is what the summary of the 6,000 pages look like. my words give me no pleasure. i m releasing this report because i know there are thousands of employees at the cia who do not condone what i will speak about this morning and who worked day and night long hours, within the law, for america s security in what is certainly a difficult world my colleagues on the intelligence committee and i am proud of them, just as everyone in this chamber is. and we will always support them. in reviewing this study this in the past few days, with a decision looming over the public release, i was struck by a quote found on page 126 of the executive summary. it cites the former cia inspector general john held gerson who in 2005 wrote the following to the then-director of the cia which clearly states the situation with respect to this report years later as well. and i quote. we have found that the agency over the decades has continued to get itself intoes mes related to interrogation programs for one overriding reason. we do not document and learn from our experience. each generation of officers is left to improvise anew with problematic results for our offices as individuals and for our agency. i believe that to be true. i agree with mr. helgerson. his comments are true today but this must change. on march 11, 2009, the committee voted 14-1 to begin a review of the cia s detention and interrogation program. over the past five years, a small team of committee investigators pored over the more than 6.3 million pages of cia records the leader spoke about to complete this report or what we call the study. it shows that the cia s actions a decade ago are a stain on our value and history. the release of this 500 page summary cannot remove that stain. but it can and does say to our people and the world that america is big enough to admit when it s wrong and confident enough to learn from its mistakes. releasing this report is an important step to restore our valuings and show the world that we are in fact a just and lawful society over the next hour, i d like to lay out for the senators and the american public the report s findings and. when i complete this, i asked that senator mccain berecognized. before i get to the substance, i d like to make a few comments about why it s so important that we make this study public. all of us have vivid memories of that tuesday morning when terror struck new york, washington, and pennsylvania. september 11, 2011, war was declared on the united states. terrorists struck our financial center. they struck our military center and they tried to strike our political center and would have had brave and courageous passengers not brought down the plane. we still vividly remember the mix of outrage and deep despair and sadness as we watched from washington. smoke rising from the pentagon. the passenger plane lying in a pennsylvania field. the sound of bodies hitting canopies as innocents jumped from the world trade center. mass terror that we often see abroad had struck us directly from our front yard, killing 3,000 innocent men, women, and children. what happened? we came together as a nation with one singular mission bring those who committed these rackets to justice. but it s at this point where the values of america come into play, where the rule of law and the fundamental principles of right and wrong become important. in 1990, the united states senate ratify it had convention against torture. the convention makes clear that this ban against torture is absolute. it says, and i quote no exceptional circumstances whatsoever, including what i just read. whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency may be invoked as a justification for torture. nonetheless it was argued that the need for information on possible additional terrorist plots after 9/11 made extraordinary interrogation techniques necessary. even if one were to set aside all of the moral arguments, our review was a meticulous and detailed examination of records. it finds that coercive interrogation techniques did not produce the vital otherwise unavailable intelligence the cia has claimed. i will go into further detail on this issue in a moment, but let me make clear, these comments are not a condemnation of the cia as a whole. the cia plays an incredibly important part in our nation s security. and has thousands of dedicated and talented employees. what we have found is that a surprisingly few people were responsible for designing, carrying out and managing this program. two contractors led the interrogations. there was little effective oversight. analysts on occasion gave operational orders that interrogations and cia management of the program was weak and diffused. our final report was approved by a bipartisan vote of 9-6 in december, 2012, and exposed brutality in stark contrast to our values as a nation. this effort was focused on the actions of the cia from late 2001 to january of 2009. the report does not include considerable detail on the cia s interactions with the white house. it does including, excuse me, considerable detail on the cia s interactions with the white house, the departments of justice, state, defense, and the senate intelligence committee. the review is based on contemporaneous records and documents during the time the program was in place and active. now, these documents are important because they aren t based on recollection. they aren t based on revision and they aren t a rationalization a decade later. it s these documents referenced repeatedly in thousands of footnotes that provide the factual basis for the study s conclusions. the committee s majority staff reviewed more than 6.3 million pages of these documents provided by by the cia as well as records from other departments and agencies. these records include finished intelligence assessments, cia operational and intelligence cables, memoranda, e-mails, realtime chat sessions, inspector general reports, testimony before congress, pictures, and other internal records. it s true we didn t conduct our own interviews, and let me tell you why that was the case. in 2009 there was an ongoing review by department of justice special prosecutor john durham. on august 24, attorney general holder expanded that review. this occurred six months after our study had begun. durham s original investigation of the cia s destruction of interrogation videotapes was broadened to include possible criminal actions of cia employees in the course of cia detention and interrogation activities. at the time, the committee s vice chairman, kit bond, withdrew the minority s participation in the study citing the attorney general s expanded investigation as the reason. the department of justice refused to coordinate its investigation with the intelligence committee s review. as a result, possible interviewees could be subject to additional liability if they were interviewed and the cia, citing the attorney general s investigation. would not instruct its employees to participate in interviews. notwithstanding this, i am really confident of the factual accuracy and comprehensive nature of this report for three reasons. first, it s the 6.3 million pages of documents reviewed and they reveal records of actions as those actions took place, not through recollections more than a decade later. second, the cia and cia s senior officers have taken the opportunity to explain their views on cia detention and interrogation operations. they have done this in on-the-record statements, in classified committee hearings. written testimony and answer to questions and through the formal response to the committee the in june, 2013, after reading the study. and, third, the committee had access to and utilized an extensive set of reports of interviews conducted by the cia inspector general and the cia s oral history program so while we could not conduct new interviews of individuals we did utilize transcripts or some reis of interviews of those directly engaged in detention and interrogation operations. this covered the exact topics we would have asked about had we conducted interviews ourselves. these interview reports and transcripts included but were not limited to the following. george tenant, director of the cia when the agency took custody and interrogate it had majority of detainees. jose rodriguez direct o of the cia s counterterrorism center, a key player in the program. cia general council scott muller, cia deputy director of operations, cia acting general council john riz strkso and cia deputy director john mclaughlin. and a variety of interrogate pors, lawyers, medical personnel senior counterterrorism analyst and managers of the detention and interrogation program. the best place to start about how we got into this and i m delighted that senator rockefeller is on the floor is a little more than eight years ago on september 6, 2006. when the committee met to be briefed by then director michael hayden. at that 2006 meeting, the full committee meeting learned for the first time of the use of so talled enhanced interrogation techniques or eits. it was a short meeting in part because president bush was making a public speech later that day disclosing officially for the first time the existence of cia black sites and announcing the transfer of 14 detainees from cia custody to guantanamo bay, cuba. it was the first time interrogation program was explained to the full committee as details had previously been limited to the chairman and vice chairman. then on september december 7, 2007, the new york times reported that cia personnel in 2005 had destroyed videotapes of the interrogation of two cia detainees. the cia s first detainee, abu a buy da souix bayda. days later, on december 11, 2007, the committee held a hearing on the destruction of the videotapes. director hayden, the primary witness, testified that the cia had concluded that the destruction of videotapes was acceptable in part because congress had not yet requested to see them. my source is our committee s transcript, december 11, 2007. director hayden stated that if the committee had asked for the videotapes they would have been provided by but of course the committee had not known the videotapes existed. and we now know from cia e-mails and records that the videotapes were destroyed shortly after cia attorneys raised concerns that congress might find out about the tapes. in any case at that same december 11 committee hearing, director hayden told the commit teal that cia cables related to the interrogation sessions depicted in the videotapes were, and i quote, a more than adequate representation of the tapes and therefore if you want them, we ll give you access to them. that s our transcript, december 11, 2007 hearing. senator rockefeller, then chairman of the committee, designated two members of the committee staff to review the cables describing the interrogation sessions of abu zubaida and al nashiri. senator bond similarly directed two of his staffers to review the cables. the designated staff members completed their review and compiled a summary of the content of the cia cables by early 2009 by which time i had become chairman. the description in the cables of cia s interrogations and the treatment of detainees pressed a starkly different picture from director hayden s testimony before the committee. they described brutal around-the-clock interrogations, especially of abu zubaida in which multiple coercive techniques were used in combination and with substantial reputation. it was an ugly, visceral description. the summary also indicated that abu zubaida did not provide the kind of intelligence that led the cia to stop terrorist plots or arrest additional suspects. as a result, i think it s fair to say the entire committee was concerned and it approved the scope of an investigation by a vote of 14-1 and the work began. in my march 11, 2014, floor speech about the study, i described how, in 2009, the committee came to an agreement with the new cia director, leon panetta, for access to documents and other records about the cia s detention and interrogation program. so i won t repeat that here. from 2009 to 2012 our staff conducted a massive and unprecedented review of cia recor records. draft sections of the report were produced by late 2011 and shared with the full committee. the final report was completed in . and approved by the committee by a bipartisan vote of 9-6. after that vote, i sent the full report to the president and asked the administration to provide comments on it before it was released. six months later, in june of 2013, the cia responded. i directed them that if the cia pointed out any error in our report, we would fix it. and we did fix one bullet point that did not impact our findings and conclusions. if the cia came to a different conclusion than the report did, we would note that in the report and explain our reasons for disagreeing if we disagree. and you will see some of that documented in the footnotes of that executive summary as well as in the 6,000 pages. in april 2014, the committee prepared an updated version of the full study and voted 12-3 to declassify and release the executive summary, findings and conclusions and minority and additional views. on august 1, we received a declassified version from the executive branch. it was immediately apparent that the redactions to our report prevented a clear and understandable reading of the study and prevented us from substantiating the findings and conclusions so we obviously objected. for the past four months, the committee and the cia, the director of national intelligence and the white house have engaged in a lengthy negotiation over the redactions to the report. we have been able to include some more information in the report today without sacrificing sources and methods of our or our national security. i d like to ask, following my remarks, that a letter from the white house dated yesterday conveying the report also points out that the report is 93% complete a that the redactions amount to 7% of the bulk of the report. without objection. thank you, mr. president. this has been a long process. the work began seven years ago when senator rockefeller directed the committee staff to review the cia cables describing the cables of abu zubaydah and that this nation should never again engage in these tactics. let me now turn to the contents of the study. as i noted, we have 20 findings and conclusions which fall in the four general categories. first, the cia s enhanced interrogation techniques were not an effective way to gather intelligence information. second, the cia provided extensive amounts of inaccurate information about the operation of the program and effectiveness to the white house, the department of justice, congress, the cia inspector general, the media and the american public. third, the cia s management of the program was inadequate and deeply flawed. and fourth, the cia program was far more brutal than people were led to believe. the first findings talk about the effectiveness or lack there of and found that the coercion techniques were not an effective means of acquiring accurate intelligence or gaining detainee cooperation. the cia and other defenders of the program have repeatedly claimed that the use of so-called interrogation techniques was necessary to get detainees to provide critical information. the study concludes that both claims are inaccurate. the report is very specific in how it evaluates the cia s claims on the effect i haveness and necessity of its enhanced infair gags techniques. specifically, we used the cia s own definition of effectiveness as ratified and approved fts office of the legal counsel counsel. they claim that it was necessary to obtain, quote, otherwise available, end quote, information. that could not be obtained from any other source to stop terrorist attacks and save american lives. that s a claim we conclude is inaccurate. these include cases of terrorist plots stopped or terrorist captured. the cia used these examples in presentation to the white house, in testimony to congress, in subfigures missions to the department of justice and ultimately to the american people. some of the claims are well known. the capture of khalid sheikh mohammed and the takedown of osama bin lad d osama bin ladin. in each case, the cia claimed that critical and unique information came from one or more detainees in its custody after they were subjected to the cia s coercive techniques. and that information led to specific counterterrorism success. our staff reviewed every one of the 20 cases. and not a single case holds up. in every single one of these cases, at least one of the following was true. one, the intelligence community had information separate from the use of uits that led to the terrorist disruption or capture. two, information from a detainee subjected to eits played no roles in the claimed disruption or capture and, three, the purported terrorist plot either did not exist or posed no real threat to americans or united states interests. some critics have suggested the study concludes that no intelligence was ever provided for any detainee the cia held. that is false. and the study makes no such claim. what is true that actionable intelligence that was, quote, otherwise unavailable, otherwise unavailable was not obtained using these coercive interrogation techniques. the report also chronicles where the techniques that do not involve physical force were effective. specifically, the report provides examples where they confront detainees with facts. know when they were lying and when they applied rapport building techniques that were developed and honed by the united states military, the fbi and, more recently, the interagency high value detainee group, that these techniques produced good intelligence. let me make a few other comments on the claimed effectiveness of the cia interrogations. at no time did the cia coercive interrogation techniques lead to the collection of intelligence on an imminent threat that many believe was the justification for these techniques. the committee never found an example of this hypothetical ticking time bomb scenario. the use of coercive technique methods regularly resulted in fabricated information. sometime the cia new detainees
we are as americans. reporter: but moments later a stockily different take on an exploding crisis. children crossing the border to the u.s. alone, illegally. they should be september back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults are in their families. reporter: she s speaking out of both sides of her mouth. if you want the immigrant community to see you as a champion, you re going to have to make difficult choices and take a firm position. it didn t seem that way yesterday. reporter: then there s benghazi. the attack that killed four americans on clinton s watch. republicans say she still has a lot of explaining to do so this was music to gop ears. there are still unanswered questions. it was the fog of war. republicans convinced benghazi is clin clinton s achilles heel wasted no time saying she s the one who must answer questions. secretary clinton from the beginning has stone walled on this rather than acting as a partner getting to the bottom of what happened. reporter: clinton was cagey as ever about another white house run. i m going to think about all that, but not right now. reporter: even the most casual observer could see a candidate here distancing herself from the president how she urged him to arm syrian rebels. we pushed very hard, but as i say in my book, i believe that harry truman was right. the buck stops with the president. reporter: outside the town hall, a playful made for the cameras moment. stopping to give her stalker squirrel, republican a republican intern, a copy of her book. confidence is clinton s calling card. a new poll shows a majority of americans think she is prepared to be president. the downside to bye-bye an experienced politician, merely 4 in 10 americans worry about whether clinton can be trusted. thanks very much. you can always follow us on twitter. tweet me or the show. join us again tomorrow here in the situation room. always watch us live or dvr the show so you won t miss a moment. that s it for me. i m wolf blitzer in the situation room. now let s step into the cross fire. we re honored to have two governors tonight. one of them ran for president in 2012. after reading the polls, he might be thinking of running again. the debate starts right now. tonight on crossfire , america s biggest challenges. what should we do about the chaos in iraq? we re certainly not putting american soldiers at risk. no boots on the ground. under no circumstances should we be partnering with iran. or the thousands of children coming here illegally. we have to send a clear message just because your child gets across the border, that doesn t mean the child gets to stay. or gay rights. on the left, stephanie cutter. on the right, in the crossfire, a republican. two influential governors have better solutions to america s toughest problems? tonight on crossfire. welcome to crossfire. tonight two prominent governors. republicans are so focused on blaming president obama that they are distorting reality. let s start with the chief offender and the wall street journal this morning. rarely has a u.s. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many. it s really hard to take him seriously. he was the one who got it all wrong in the first place. weapons of mass destruction, never found. al qaeda operating from iraq, they weren t then but they are now. planned skpex cuted the greatest blunder in the history of the country and we ll be paying for it for decades. thanks for your advice, dick cheney, but let s have a responsible debate. the first step in a responsible debate, learning from our mistakes. if we don t understand what we did wrong getting into iraq, we re never going to get it right. i hope we can have a responsible debate tonight. it s so weird because joe biden thought iraq was going to be a huge success. what happened? in the crossfire tonight, rick perry of texas and lincoln chafy of rhode island. you know o who also seems to me to be blaming obama for this mess in iraq is hillary clinton. listening to what she said last night. i recommended that we do more in the very beginning to support moderate opposition because i believed at the time that they would be overwhelmed by assad s military force and they would open up the door to extremists coming in. she s talking about syria. she went on during the course of that town hall to reiterate two more times that she would have gone in earlier. isn t the problem with iraq now that president obama left syria to smolder for three years? let s back up a little bit and stephanie talked about the greatest pref indication in american history, i would agree with that. the whole premise that we re in now, and that was that there were weapons of mass destruction. saddam hussein didn t have a threat. so that premise and the fact that we ripped up a foreign policy that had been in place and was working since the 1940s and that is containment and unilaterally into iraq. but let s talk about where we are now and where we are now is that iraq has spiralled into chaos just after joe biden and president obama were talking about how stable it was in 2010. didn t obama make a crucial mistake in allowing syria to smolder out of control into chaos? there s so many difficulties that we re going to face as a result of this blunder of getting in here. deviating from our cold war strategy of containment we re not going to get an answer. governor perry? no appliances and now we re dealing with no easy answers. you re absolutely correct in that sense. we find ourselves now with not a lot of appropriate solutions, but the real blunder from my perspective was when this president wanted to get out of iraq so bad that we left, didn t even let the door hit us in the back getting out of there. had we left a thoughtful force in place to be able to manage both the sunni and shiite conflict that s ongoing there now, then i think you could have seen this country make progress towards becoming more stable. and that was our goal always is to bring this country to stability and to let it get back economically. when the united states stabilizing influence left, that s where the real problem started. it s been rumor that you re thinking about running for president. as the president, you have to make some hard choices. and at the time, the president was willing to leave troops on the ground, but maliki wouldn t sign a status of forces agreement. of course, maliki is being propped up by iran, he s not doing anything to stop the sectarian violence. he s basically ostracized from the government. i want to ask you a couple questions about exactly what you would do. would you have left troops on the ground without a status force agreement? that s where we see this president s lack of diplomatic you would have been able to get it done? i think the bottom line is we have seen this president time after time be a failure in foreign policy. when you think about syria, when you think about so if a country doesn t want our troops there, would you keep our troops on the ground? you basically have nor leverage in saying, mr. maliki, can we leave our troops here? and he said no. i m sorry, but i don t think he used all the diplomatic ways what would you have done that he didn t do? there are multiple ways to leverage your position with a country like that. like what? there s a lot of different ways. you know that. we gave up our leverage. he was looking for a reason to get out of that country. back after the first gulf war when dick cheney mentioned he was defense secretary and there s a clip of him saying why we didn t go after kuwait. why we didn t go into iraq. he talks about the courage of the sunnis and shia and we didn t want to get into that conflict. then for some reason ten years later, it s pathetic, the first cheney as to what we got into. the first bush was right. let s push him out of kuwait and contain him. that was working. so what do we do now? specifically, what do we do now? lots of people are for air strikes. i think there are a number of ways. we don t have to signal all the things we re going to do. pick up the wall street journal this morning and you see a headline that says there will be no air strikes. i think that s a major diplomatic problem of signaling what we re going to be doing. there are a number of ways, whether it s both covert or overt that we can impact that situation over there, but the idea we need to sit here and g signal that. no offense to you, governor, but i don t think that the terrorist groups in iraq are looking to what we re saying here on this show as for signals. i think they are more sophisticated than you think they are. i understand that. i would use every covert and overt situation i had to be able to affect that. let s talk about president obama s larger foreign policy. again, at last night s town hall, hillary clinton said when it comes to putting u.s. assets in dangerous places around the world, we shouldn t shy away from that. we should stay the course. take a listen. i don t think we should be retreating from the world. that would be a position that i would strongly advocate. according to the latest polls, americans also disapprove of president obama s foreign policy. you can take a look at the latest polling. only 37% approve. 57% disapprove. it was a mess by the previous administration. do you degree then with the american public and hillary clinton that president obama s foreign policy of leave from behind and retreat is probably has probably been a failure? the key is we talked about mistakes were made getting in there, but the biggest mistake was not listening to the people in the neighborhood. that was probably the biggest mistake. if you look at what we do now, we have to listen to the kuwaits, the turks, the saudis, they are in the neighborhood. to repair the damage done to america, we lost our credibility. e we said we re going into this country. when does president obama do that? it takes a lot of repair work after the previous administrati administration. the diplomatic u answer is the one we have to work on. i think what we have to realize here is those poll numbers are not just about iraq. the poll numbers are about the way he handled libya, the way he handled egypt, syria, craukrain the longest democracy in our best friend in the middle east israel. that is what people are looking at. they are not looking at this iraq issue in a vacuum. they are looking at a very clear presidential loss of confidence in the world looking at what this president. right there for now. could president obama be having his katrina moment? 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welcome back. president obama s very bad year just keeps getting worse. don t take my word for it, take you yours. when the voters were asked, only 11% say he s very confident. that s worse than george bush s 14% in the months of hurricane katrina. as for our quiz, the president s approval rating hit its all-time high of 61% right after he took office. it s only 41% now in that same poll. in the krs crossfire tonight, rick perily and governor chafy. what s that say about governor romney if so soon after the election if some of those low approval ratings could trounce governor romney? all right. i know that we are distracted by the latest controversy in iraq. but let me remind you of some of the other recent ones. the irs scandal is back in the news with the lost e-mails. before that it was the release of five terrorist detainees. before that it was the v.a. scandal. i could go on and on and on. hasn t president obama let america down with all of these disastrous choices and decisions? decisions are made in elections and all those issues that you brought up, some came after the election, but that s the way it works. he s our president, we should support him. what s the way it works? we had an election and there will be another one and we can talk about who is running, but to continuously beat up this man is unfair. we have to ask where we have gone wrong so we don t repeat mistakes. are you willing to concede that the president made mistakes? of course, i have a difference with him on a number of issues. but the attack from the conservative side has just been relentless ever since he took the oath of office. i want to turn to two other hot button issues right now. first is immigration. there are thousands of children coming across the border into your home state. largely because of civil wars and drug wars in their home countries. let s listen to what hillary clinton had to say about this yesterday. they should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are. we have to send a clear message. just because your child gets across the border doesn t mean the child gets to stay. do you agree with that? what do we do with these children? i agree we need to secure the border. i have told the president that since as a matter of fact a stop on the tarmac in 2010. i handed him a letter about border security. and then in 2012 i flagged this issue, these unaccompanied alien children coming in off of rail cars. this is not news to the president of the united states. it s not news to this administration. and we have an absolute catastrophe on our hands, a humanitarian catastrophe that these young people being brought in the united states and they are hearing the message of come on up here, the border is open. you can come to america but what would you do with them? what they are doing with them right now are warehousing them and talking about allowing them to stay here. what i would do with these children is i would diplomatically go back and find out why are they coming up here? many of them if they get sent home are being sent back into very bad situations where they are being targeted at home with violence. are you suggesting that we send them we actually don t know that. that may be what we are saying when they get here. i fear for my life because of drug violence because that s what they have been told to say. but we cannot i happen to agree with hillary clinton when it comes to even if we re sending them back into difficult circumstances? we have to send a clear message to secure the border first. this administration has been an absolute failure. my home state has spent over half a billion dollars augmenting them. it has doubled under this administration. if it s not enough, we need to go to congress and get more. but to blame this president who has doubled birdier security is not accurate. doubling the amount of money is not no, doubling the number of agents. not on the texas border. he may be putting them on the arizona border, but he s not putting them on the texas border. you re for sending these children back? i m for securing the border. finding out why these children are coming into yes, border security is a huge issue. congress has tried over and over again, when i was in the senate, we had a bill called mccain/kennedy. john mccain from a border state and ted kennedy. it provided border security, about you we couldn t get it passed. now repeated efforts to do something similar to mccain/kennedy. and the gridlock in congress and the te party who will not get this done. border security is the answer to let me share with you one of the results of this that s really troubling for my state. if we have a major natural disaster, which from time to time we have. think katrina, if you will, think rita as it pushed literally hundreds of thousands of people up into our state. with these children and these individuals that are being housed in federal facilities and in state facilities that are being used for this, we do not have the capacity to be able to take care of our citizens. and that is of an extraordinary concern to me. i want to get to one or topic. if i could, you have to have comprehensive immigration reform. it can t be a patchwork. that s what mccain/kennedy was. learn english, border security, path to citizenship. don t you think you have to secure the border first? yes. american people don t trust this administration to get this right. most people are you asking for comprehensive immigration reform. you are taking heat for something you said about homosexuality. i was struck by your comments. i want to show what you said. i may have the genetic coding that i m inclined to be an alcoholic. but i have the desire not to do that. i look at the homosexual issue as the same way. you re saying alcoholism is a disease, we know that. are you saying that homosexuality is a disease as well? i think my position has been fairly clear on that for a substantial period of time. and here s what s more important if you can just tell us your position. no, i m going to tell you where i think we need be as a country and focused on. and that is not on these social issues. i think the social issues, frankly, should be decided state by state rather than being something in washington, d.c., to try to make one size fits all, whether it s this is not a washington, d.c., issue we re talking about here. from the standpoint of social issues and where this country is relative to that, we re a very diverse country when you thing about it. so why were you referring to alcoholism then? i got asked the question and i responded in the way that i have before. that alcoholism is a disease. you have the gene. the issue is one that needs to be decided state by state. these social issues like that. let s talk about your state. your republican party in texas just adopted conversion therapy as part of their political platform. now, conversion therapy is when you there s a belief that you can, through therapy, cure people of being homosexual. now, that s been rejected by the medical community for almost four decades. that s being decided by texas. you re the governor of texas, you re the leader of the republican party in texas. isn t that exactly what you were saying? isn t that the same thing that you said? i said in that remark that i d leave that to the psychiatrists and the doctors. they ve rejected it. the more important issue is one that we need to be focused on in this country and that s to get this country working again. you don t have an opinion on any of this, you don t have an opinion on either side? i think my statements stand on your own. i don t understand it. i can t help you understand it. okay. all right. very proud in rhode island we have marriage equality and we re a free state and everybody s welcome. that s rhode island s choice and i agree with that. and if we as a country will get back to allowing the states to decide these instead of we got lots of big issues in this country like how do we get this country back working again, how do we secure the border, how do we have a foreign policy that is actually not feckless. we ll have to go to a quick break. stay here. be want you at home to weigh on today s fireback question, should the u.s. launch air strikes in iraq? tweet yes or no using # crossfire. we ll have the results after the break. would you consider a 4-star hotel that s up to 60% off, you just can t know the name? just no name? until you book. um. yeah, i d do that! welcome back. let s check on our fireback results. should the u.s. launch air strikes in iraq? 44% of you say yes, 66% say no. governor perry, we talked about this earlier. what do you think? the bottom line on this one is they need to leave this to the commanders in the field. and let s say there s a big isis transition convoy coming in and we could take that out, then there might be a use of an air strike at that particular time. but just air strikes for the sake of air strikes probably not. senator chafee. americans are fed up with us getting caught up in these quagmires, they grew up with vietnam and they don t want anything to do with it. the debate continues online
and putt against leaders of his own party like congressman nancy pelosi and senator warren. liberals are quick to condemn the spending bill calling it a broib for banks and donors. mike emmanuel is live on capitol hill with us. mike, the senate so manies stuck on the extension, they did do something successfully, right? reporter: no question about that. they passed a short- term government funding to buy senators more time. it was scheduled to be quiet today. and there are conversations taking place about cutting the deal on the government extension and we ll so if it pans out. earlier harry reid sounded aggravated. regrettably the republicans pulled the legislation off. and now, we are regulated to watching the time tick away on the clocks. reporter: at this point the senators are in session seven hours and counting, julie? what have they done all day long. a voteramma. and look at the names. murphy to be surgeon general and car lincolman for social security commissioner. and this is getting the ball rolling on the nominees considered for file confirmation in the senate. and conservatives are not backing down. reporter: not at all. we heard from the conservatives slamming on the brakes on the senate. we are going to have a vote in time, on this omnibus bill, but part of that vote critical in that vote should be a vote on president obama s illegal emnasty. the american people have grave concerns on the president s decision with regard to executive amnesty. this actions unprecedented and unsupported by the law. reporter: other republicans want to fight the president on immigration when they feel they have a chance to win when the republicans control the house and senate, julie? thank you, mike. thousands of protestors flooding the streets in new york city. the protestors held signs and chanted as they walked along sixth avenue all to express the rage over the recent grand jury decisions not to indict the police in the deaths of michael brown and eric garner. day long. what was the protest like? julie, we are talking about tens of thousands of protestors and covering dozens of city blocks in manhattan. look at the march from the aerial shot. it started at 2:00 p.m. and went back north and then south. it is the head quarters for the police department. and the protestors shouting hands up don t shoot and black lives matter and racist cops have to go. today is called the national day of resistance specifically in new york. and they are demanding the creation of a office. and firing of nypd police commissioner. and families of victims of unarmed black men killed including ron davis, 17-year-old shot and killed by a white man for playing loud music in a florida gas station. we don t want to lose our family members in vain. we come out and help them protest and make change to america. the nypd said there are no arrest or incidents and organizers planned protest in 50 cities today. this was not only eric guarder and michael brown. organizers say they want more than just reform? 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who do you work for? wall street? or the american people? congresswoman edwards, i want to know what you see. you re the politician of the three of us. is this the future of the democratic party? z?jp go-along party that makes deals with the worst elements in our society and wall street? your thoughts? one thing the last election told us, it told us th!:[rñ amen people need to know we re prepared to get in there and fight for them, fight for their paychecks and their bank accounts. stop fighting for wall street and special interests. frankly, there s no question about it, this bill absolutely stinks. the american people know it. when i came into congress in i would never again vote to bail out big banks. while republicans in this congress take the american people down the bank road again. we will not do it. luke russert, it would take 50 or 60 votes to get this pass. who are your colleagues? what are they saying to you when they re voting for the bill? they would say this is a good bill go ahead, luke, i m sorry. they say it s a good bill because it leaves the democratic imprint on the funding through the rest of the fiscal year on everything with the exception of the department of homeland security. and they ll have the immigration fight in early march and the rest of the government is funded and they re not worried about shutdown politics. that s really their point. this is the best they can get before the super majority comes in next congress. however, what you do, you talk to other democrats who say, you know what, republicans have shown they have an awfully difficult time getting to 218 to fund the government on any priority. we re more than happy to go at it with them and go to the ring a few more times because it makes them look bad. i want to say one thing that i think is important when you talk about the future of the democratic party. when this was negotiated by harry reid, and the other preept reetors on the senator side with the house gop x)kyleadership, t reason why there wasn t a freak-out over the dodd-frank language because this thing passed in the house in october of 2013 with 70 democrats supporting it, including steny hoyer, the difference in campaign finances that was negotiated between reed, mcconnell, and boehner. what you re seeing tonight is the liberal wing standing up to something that was directly negotiated by reid and the white house, and was supported by them before. they re not taking it n)f . also, could there be another factor here? you ve lost both houses of congress now. you re the opposition on the hill. you re not worried about carrying the water on debt ceilings and all the rest and budget deals. you lost the house a while ago. you re losing the senate. is this a revolutionary spirit fueled by the fact, you don t have to run the show, you just have to drive your ideas? i think what s really clear, chris, is the fact is, the american people are expecting us to fight for them. they re depending on us to fight for them. we re prepared to do it. you know, if you look at that deal that was negotiated, i don t know that the white house frankly was clearly in the room on this. and clearly some deals were cut with mitch mcconnell because he s always wanted to raise those political campaign contribution limits. he wants to throw the individual limits out the window. but we can t let them. we can t let wall street walk away with the store, and on the other hand, give them the open keys to the government by allowing all these political contributions. and like i said, if the republicans really want a bipartisan bill over here in the house, they know they can get democratic votes, but they have to get it with a clean funding bill. thanks so much donna edwards and luke russert. coming up, guess who is defiant inzkw;o the face of the torture report? dick cheney. the man who once said we d have to work through the dark side. he s unapologetic about what the cia did. he said he d do it all over again in a minute. big surprise. that s ahead, this is hardball, the place for politics. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. chris christie, like many of the potential 2016 presidential candidates isn t talking about the torture report one bit. he refused to answer questions about it. now a new poll finds the people in his home state say they don t think he d make a good president. 53%, a majority of new jersey voters say government christie would not do well in the white house. of course it s a blue state. and even though christie is the strongest republican against hillary in the garden state, new hillary in the garden state, new jersey is still deep blue. a remote that lives on your phone. i think that what needed to be done was done. i think we were perfectly justified in doing it, and i d do it again in a minute. welcome back to hardball. former vice president dick cheney, he mingsed no words in his interview with fox news. describing his preferred approach to terror. here he is. he is in our possession. we know he s the architect. what are we supposed to do? kiss him on both cheeks and say, please, please, tell us what you know. no, of course not. we did what needed to be done to catch those who were guilty on 9/11 and prevent a further attack. we were successful on both parts this report said it was not successful. this report is full of crap. director of harvard s project on public narrative and author of the 1% doctrine. and also former rnc chair michael steele. what do you think is in the makeup of a guy who dismisses all different opinions as crap? cheney will go to his grave denying everything that is very clear at this point. this is the moment they feared, that there would be an official inquest that would prove right everything people were saying. now it s happened and cheney is digging into his final position. he s in a shrinking country, cheneyland, that gets smaller and smaller. and even now you can hear him shooting at president bush as to who knew what. this is cheney s last stand. let me ask you about policy. i m a big believer, as mike dukakis said, the fish rots from the head. an old greek expression. whatever it is, i believe the boss sets the tone. i worked in politics for 15 years. when staffers did something, i knew the boss wanted it done, or they wouldn t be there. that s the operative. and i was one, an operative. you are the boss s guy. so when somebody says somebody at the cia did something, my view is, they were told to do it. what s your view? where did the water boording come from and all that stuff, how did it work its way down to the bowels or the dark place this came directly, chris, from bush and cheney, both of them. at the start, it was ordered by the president and the vice president. the cia didn t just wake up one day and say, hey, we re going to do a lot of extra legal and extraordinary things. it came from the white house. they were ordered to take off the gloves as the white house said right at the beginning. don t worry about what people say when they find out. go to the dark side. they were following orders. now, ultimately, the president and the vice president were briefed intensively about exactly what cia was doing from the beginning and throughout. bush was quite engaged in this as was cheney. they got regular reports, what is the yield of the interrogation, is it successful, is it not? both men are directly driving this. to the extent their cruelty involved, michael, essentially, torture, whatever you want to call it, there s torture, cruelty involved, you re hurting people, causing them pain and fear and all the mix of horrors you get in your mind when you re being tortured, where is it going to end, is it going to end with me ending, all that, did they do that with an attitude of we want to do this, we don t like these people, they are bad people, was it personal? ron? that s to you, ron. you bleeped out. the fact is, they engaged president bush only when things were made personal. cheney and bush viewed this as an affront to them personally, which was kind of the way bush was managed, the tapping of blood lust. this was about managing bush. by cheney, by others. but also doing what they felt need be done. don t worry about the consequences. of course cheney creates the 1% doctrine, that idea that we should do everything. everything essentially we can think of. don t worry about these issues of ends and means. now what we find is of course the worst nightmare, that not only was this morally reprehensible, cashiering america s moral authority, but it was of no value at all, which they were warned about at the beginning. you re sure of that? absolutely. we got nothing out of it? absolutely nothing of value that couldn t be got in a hundred other ways. but they didn t get it in a hundred other ways. let me have michael in here. i want to set this up politically. cheney isn t hiding. no, he s not hiding. cheney has never hidden. i think that s what frustrates a lot of people. he puts it out there and you have to deal with it. he makes it easy for you to unpack it, as he s done again. there s a lot that ron said that, i wasn t in the room, i don t know what s inside these men s hearts and heads. i do know how the process i do not think that the president and the vice president were sitting around over a cup of coffee saying, we re just going to start waterboarding, out of thin air. we know what the cia s business has always been about. this is nothing new. this is nothing transcendent in terms what the cia has done in terms of black ops. what about going into the dark areas of intelligence, we got to go back in there in the quiet, where there s no discussion absolutely. why is cheney saying to do that? why are we laying it out on the table? i want to make the point that came from the top. cheney exhibiting no moral qualms about the acts revealed in the report. let s listen. did the ends justify the means? absolutely. no doubt in your mind? no doubt in my mind, i m totally comfortable with it. doing his job there. cheney previewed the at any cost mentality. yet days after 9/11, let s listen. we also have to work the dark side, if you will, we have to spend time in the shadows, in the intelligence world. a lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we re going to be successful. that s the world these folks operate in. and so it s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal basically to achieve our object. how do you read that? that s the way this works. don t blame it on the cia. it guy looks like he was ready to do it from the top. exactly. that s where the buck ultimately stops. you laid it out very well at the opening of the segment. that at the end of the day, it s going to start at the head. if there are good things that come from it, you re going to the head. that s how cheney saw this. this is all in the context of what happened post 9/11. this is that world that was created. again, we have a history. whether we re trying to go after castro in the kennedy administration they didn t do the job, did they? no, they didn t. or whether you re going after osama bin laden, it s the same type who is still the head of cuba right now? anyway, let s go back to ryan. what is it in cheney s being? what s in his head that makes him curl the lip and talk about torture and stuff like that with such delight and relish? what s that all about? cheney has always believed that tactics matter. he s arguably one of the finest tact itions at the top of government for many years. if cheney believes that his position cannot be challenged, as long as he digs in and doesn t flinch, he ll do that. that s where cheney is sitting at this point. many people are turning on him at this point. john mccain and others are saying, cheney s wrong. but cheney at this point will be the last man standing with this position if that s what it takes. that s what he s thinking about. history s record, i didn t flinch. and i think ron is absolutely right about that. that s the one thing about the man, he s consistent from the very beginning to this moment. and now one has to unpack that. i don t know about love, but in his view, all s fair in war. ron, thank you for being the expert. michael steele, thank you very much. up next, a hardball farewell to michele bachmann. we re going to the riddic lift, this is hardball, the place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. hardball, the place fo politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. hardball, the place fo politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. this is hardball, the for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. come from all walks of life. if you have high blood sugar, ask your doctor about farxiga. it s a different kind of medicine that works by removing some sugar from your body. along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. with one pill a day, farxiga helps lower your a1c. and, although it s not a weight-loss or blood-pressure drug, farxiga may help you lose weight and may even lower blood pressure when used with certain diabetes medicines. do not take if allergic to farxiga or its ingredients. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction include rash, swelling or difficulty breathing or swallowing. if you have any of these symptoms, stop taking farxiga and seek medical help right away. do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems, are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. tell your doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine or pain while you urinate. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including dehydration, genital yeast infections in women and men, low blood sugar,kidney problems, and increased bad cholesterol. common side effects include urinary tract infections, changes in urination, and runny nose. do the walk of life yeah, you do the walk of life need to lower your blood sugar? ask your doctor about farxiga and visit our website to learn how you may be able to get every month free. mccarthyism to rule out anti-american lawmakers in the democratic caucus. how many people in the caucus are anti-american? you already suspect barack obama. is he alone, or are there others? what i would say is that the news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look. i wish they would. i wish the american media would take a great look at the views of the people in congress and find out, are they pro-america, or anti-america. i think people would love to see an expose like that. backman was a vocal opponent of the president, attacking the affordable care act with a fervor. this egregious system that will be ultimately known as death care, must be defeated. it will be very unpleasant if the death panels go into effect. let s repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. of course there were no death panels, but congresswoman bachmann rare let the facts get in the way of good fiction. he famously campaigned against vaccinations, making the unfounded claim that the hpv vaccination was unsafe for young women. i will tell you that i had a mother last night come up to me, here in tampa florida, after the debate. she told me that her daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and suffered from mental retardation thereafter. it can have very dangerous side effects. it was rated false after it was denied by the medical community at large. congresswoman bachmann liked to cite the founding fathers, but basic american history alluded her at times. when she claims that our founders were the ones who ended slavery. the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united states. remember how ben franklin won the civil war? anyway, at a campaign event, she mistakenly credited new hampshire as the site of the first battle of the american revolution. the love of new hampshire and what we have in common is your extreme love for liberty. you re the place where the shot around the world. the battle of lexington and concord as everyone watching knows, was in massachusetts. with that, we say farewell to the queen of the right wing clown car. up next, the director of the cia agency defends the agency in the wake of the report. the roundtable joins us in a minute. you re watching hardball, the place for politics. great job. (mandarin) cut it out. see you tomorrow. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. welcome back to hardball. two days after the release of that damning report by democratic senators and the senate intelligence committee, the director of the cia spoke to reporters today. he was asked whether the program put in place by the bush administration, did it work? which included torture, did it produce useful intelligence. here s what brennan said. there s no way, to know whether or not some information that was obtained from an individual who had been subjected at some point during his confinement, could have been obtained through other means. it s just an unknowable fact. so what the agency s point has been consistently and what certainly my view is, after having reviewed the documents, is that there was useful intelligence, very useful, valuable intelligence was obtained from individuals who had been subjected to eits. whether that could be obtained without the use of the eits, is unknowable. michael steele, melinda henden berger and republican strategist hogan gitly. one question, is torture, any kind of torture right or wrong? should we do it? in my opinion? that s what i m asking for, should we do it? is torture really the act, or is it the motivation? we re trying to save the country from disaster and one guy that we know knows the answer to what s coming next, do we torture him? to get you the information you want do you think we should do it? i think you should do it. i m with my catholic church on this. they say it s an intrinsically evil act. so i say no, the ends never justify the means. it s always wrong. and i don t care if it gets you absolutely everything you want, the keys to the kingdom, which it does not. [ all speak at once ] our president says the same thing, this is not who we are as a country and i agree with that. so you wouldn t do it? 24 hours, explosion coming, you re not going to do it. your thoughts? are you with her? i ve got my intrinsically catholic view as well, but i side with hogan. i think the policy and personal implications beyond that one individual are too great. i think if you re in executive leadership in particular, you have to weigh it in totality. and yes, sometimes that requires you to do it. this is the justification in the church for things like just war. so you cannot say that, oh, if i torture that that s morally wrong, but if, you know, i bomb an entire village of innocent individuals that somehow that justifies the means that you re trying to achieve with the war. so what that requires is the moral leadership lays out the parameters and the political leadership has to wade itself through that, keeping its eye on those things that cross the lines, and you saw with the cia director, he was not he was not getting into the policy. that s not his job. his job is to do the implementation of that policy and those leaders that we entrust with the he was talking out of both sides of his mouth. have anything to do with what is done when the time comes? because when the time comines, president, a dick cheney, a barack obama, a george bush, whoever they are, has to make a decision how to save the country. they have to make a decision on the spot. we got this guy in custody. we know he knows. what do we do? mr. president, he s our only source of information right now. and you have to decide then whether to throw the rule book out. but how can it be a message to the world that we re no better than the terrorists we are fighting? and we are not isis. we don t do that. that s not who we are. [ all speak at once ] i don t think it s practical. are you against capital punishment? i am. see, these are values. i can appreciate that. i think capital punishment didn t work to deter crime in the same way torture doesn t work to i think there s a false argument here. i think it s too neat. it s convenient to believe it s actually not neat. it s so satisfying on an emotional level to say, let s do what it takes. but where s the proof that we got anything out of it? but see, you re trying to prove something that is not going to be fully disclosed in the course of any period of time. you re not able to say, we were able to do x, y, and z because we tortured this individual. it s just a false argument. he said it worked. but he leaves the caveat, we could have got it from somewhere else. but that was the view today. republicans wanted to hear brennan say, we got the information that got bin laden. they did, right? the democrats wanted to hear, we weren t sure if that really came from here, we just got the information. they heard that too. he said both things. so both sides are able to glom on to the points they want to use and use that politically, however they choose. it s not knowable to know if we could have gotten the same information, means it wasn t even a last resort. i mean, that to me, suggests that they didn t even try very hard otherwise to get that information. bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, guy hits a home run. you could say, somebody else could have done that. it s true. the pitcher could have hit a home run. the shortstop, the least likely. but you don t know. anyway, yesterday colorado senator mark udall gave a fiery speech on the floor of the senate, calling for president obama to purge from his administration people who were part of the cia s interrogation program, people like the director himself, john brennan. this is tough stuff for a guy on his way out. but here he is. torture just didn t happen afterall, contrary to the president s recent statement, we didn t torture some folks. real actual people engaged in torture. some of these people are still employed by the cia and the u.s. government. they are right now people serving in high level positions at the agency who approved directed or committed acts related to the cia s detention and interrogation program. it s bad enough not to prosecute these officials. but to reward or promote them, and risk the integrity of the u.s. government, to protect them, is incomprehensible. the best thing about our country, we talk about this in the open. i always talk about, when we were growing up, we had the space program. we said there s a guy on the board. before the ship took off, the russians, you never knew if the ship came down, blew up in the air, poor monkey, or not even that. we were honest and we think of ourselves as the good guys. we think of ourselves, but it s ten years later we re talking about this. we re talking about it and a lot of other countries never do. so what could will come of this hand-wrippinging, which i think is morally important? will it shorten the leash on future cias or not? i do know, when you re talking about this program, that the senate democrats, senate republicans knew about this. this wasn t new to them. they understood this. for them now to be outraged is a little disingenuous. now that we know about it, the program s over. it s been ended. what are the 2016 candidates going to say about it? because now it s in the forefront again? what torture will do is stop people from coming on the show and looking at the camera instead of looking at me. did you learn that at the virginia leadership school? i was in news before. okay, go ahead. well, the republicans are mostly, as i understand it, expressing outrage that it s out in the open now, even though the terrorists have been recruiting on this stuff for years. so i don t think cheney s making the case for it. how will this find its way into party platforms? will the democrats say we re against it? will republicans say, we re for torture? they re not going to say they re pro-torture. do you think cheney will actually say no, no. he is something. isn t he something? i think if anybody thumps their nose at this guy, i ve been through this, you take on cheney, and he wants to dismember you. anyway, the roundtable is staying with us. when we come back, the war on insurgen insurgency. this is hot for the democrats elizabeth warren leading the charge for the future of the democrat party. she wants them to be a populist party that keeps a tough rein on wall street. this is hardball, the place for politics. 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this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for not just four or eight years, but some of the important decisions we have to make at home and around the world to energy and so much else. so there is a lot at stake. it s one of the most consequential elections we had. that s why i tried to put forth specific policies and plans. try to get it off of the personal and put it on to what it is on i want to do as president. that s why i hope people will check on that for themselves. so they can see that yes, i spent 30 years, actually a little more, working to help kids and families and i want to take that experience to the white house and do that every single day. mr. trump? well, i consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. i don t know if it was meant to be a compliment, but i m proud of my children. they have done a wonderful job and they have been wonderful kids. i consider that a compliment. i will say that about hillary. because of that tape. he spoke for 40 minutes and 10 seconds and hillary clinton spoke for 39 minutes and five seconds. almost exactly the same amount of time. you didn t hear a robust emotional apology. from donald trump, did you? the inbox from republicans, that s one of the things they are worried about. that s powerful for hillary clinton to use him saying such vulgar things about women and he didn t say anything aggressively to apologize. he didn t do that behavior and he was pressed by anderson cooper and he said and talks in the tape about assaulting women. he said he didn t do those and he apologized. nowhere near as aggressive as many republicans wanted. he went into the personal attacks of bringing bill clinton into it. i think it will be based on where do you stand from a partisan perspective. what donald trump is doing is getting more engaged and counter punching. throwing mike pence under the bus at a time when mike pence is standing by him is an interesting dynamic and he did say that yes, he took that giant deduction so he wouldn t pay federal income taxes. you can bet that s coming to a tv ad without a doubt. that is true. back to you. let s check in with the panel of experts. i said it was a wash, but feel free to disagree. at the beginning donald trump did the opposite of what i thought he should have done. he said he was embarrassed by this. the videotape. he said it was locker room talk. he did not apologize to the women involved and he kept saying it s words and it wasn t anything more than that. period. end of sentence. so there was nothing more than anything he already said. he had already had the press conference about bill clinton. we knew that story and when asked are you different than at the young age of 59, he said i m not proud of it and i have great respect for people, my family. hillary got him on that because she said you needed to apologize. for the rest of the debate. i think donald trump when he got over that was more disciplined, attacking hillary on the e-mail issue where she is vulnerable. i think in a sense he may have done enough. she seemed a little stilted at times and i think he may have done enough to stop the bleeding and i m not sure minds were changed. so much has occurred over the last 48 hours and the last week that people have to digest all of this including the debate tonight to see where they stand. i want to echo one thing that dana said was the mike pence remark. he is praising a dictator who was trying to interfere with our election, period. whom his running mate said we should stand up to and putin is propping up. that struck a note. here disagrees with him. i m sure you watched the debate as we all did. we commented on the issues. we are not the same policy. give it a broader look. much better counter puncher. i think he did poorly on that he was much more animated and much better counterpuncher i think that he did poorly on that question and he did poorly on the strange syria discussion where he got off on a rant there. which i think will leave a lot of questions and led to the mike pence question. the truth is hillary clinton has her struggles with the same issues she always struggles with, e-mails, speeches. i thought his counterpunch on the lincoln comment was good. at the end of the day, i come to the same conclusion. i think she probably wins at some point and i don t think it changes much. just to set the stage, this has been one of the most disastrous periods for a presidential nominee in the history of the united states. from the first debate and before this debate. did he change that at all? i think he stopped the panic among most of the republicans there who were panicking. at least for now. i thought it was basically a draw which is basically a good thing for donald trump thinking that hillary clinton was going knock him out of this debate and have such a strong performance that there would be no question of where this race stood. i don t think she had that great of a performance. he was odd pacing around and standing over here in some of those shots. i think there ll be a lot of material stylistically, for snl, she counterpunched well on the you ve been there for 30 years what have you been doing and listed all of the things she had done. children s health care, expa expanding health care. veterans and secretary of state and 400 pieces of legislation. that was a good moment for her. she dropped one of the hillary clinton new information things and the alicia machado things. with she talked about trump gobbling up illegal steel from china. to build his buildings. i bet we ll hear more about that. i believe thaefs a news week story about how two out of three buildings that are using the steel that hurts american workers. what d you think? i think the night belonged to donald trump. we re not talking about the trump tape. he was able to pivot away and barely controlled at some point. it was a greatest hits real for the 14 million who voted for him. no hand shake at the out set. bill s infidelities and the e-mail erasure and islam and dishonesty and the media, you will hear a lot about how they reported the role of the moderators in this. i think those who voted for him got everything they wanted in their vote. did he grow? i can t see if there was any outreach. i looked carefully where i thought he could have expanded the base that he already has. not a knockout, but his night on points. where could he have expanded the base? obviously there was a muslim american woman who spoke. there was an african american who wanted the country african american gentleman, james carter who wanted the country to be united would he be devoted to bring us together? where were the opportunities that he didn t take? he could have been more expansive on health care reform and rather than repeal and replace it with what and how and whom it would benefit. he could talk more about the reform he wants in the tax code aside from getting rid of interests for wealthy people. where he always falls down is that he goes on the attack without when a direct question is asked. what would you do about x, y or z, he deflects and goes on the attack that hillary has been here for 30 years and didn t do anything. the way you bring people into the tent is to tell them exactly what you would do for them. like taxes and health care, i still do not think that we got much beyond obamacare is a disaster and why didn t she fix the tax code? and by the way, i think we might have heard him admit, i m not sure about this, that he did use on the $918 million debt, that he actually used that not to pay taxes. he did say. he didn t say how long but he did say he use it. i think the trump teams thinks they are reaching out to suburban, white women and college-educated women when they talk about african-americans and hispanics, he hurts his case because of his record and the way he talks about african-americans and the way that he tends to say the african-americans and not just african-americans, which is a way of referring to folks in deeply odd. i think they are doing that but i don t think there s any success in growing that tent. the real question is, they fear he doesn t have the right temperament or command, were they assured tonight or think of him differently as a result of this performance? i agree with michael, he was speaking to the base and i think the base is probably very happy. the base is just not big enough to win the election. the demographics of the country are such i m sorry to hit this point again, george herbert walker bush and mitt romney got the same percentage of the white vote. 59%, what earned bush 136 electoral votes got mitt romney only 56. and there is the changing demographic of the country and that s why the missed opportunity was with the muslim woman and the african american man at the end. that was magnanimous. where he s doing poorly, he needs to improve significantly, has to do with college educated white voters. he s even with college educated white men. health care and their families. there was a poll out today in your home state and your home state that had him leading among college educated voters, white voters by 20 points. this is a cohert that romney carried by 14% in 2012. that s a stunning tolerance, right? they think he s a bigot. right. that s why you hear hillary clinton, all of her ads, are about donald trump and what he said and those words, whether it s about women, whether it s about the birther controversy, those things turn off college-educated white voters. he can t undo that because he spent so much time branding himself in that way as this kind of unreconstructed alpha male and the tape only underscores that. let me say one thing about the tape. we re all talking about the debate and that s going to be our focus until 1:00 in the morning. tomorrow morning we wake up in a world where the debate is over. we re not talking about it. we re talking about something else. i can t help but think the clinton campaign is going to make sure that that tape is everywhere from now until the election. it s about the image of the women from this point forward. four women and donald trump and that story s going to get told. college educated white women that we ve been talking about. can i just make one other point in which is it s very clear they don t like each other very much. it was kind of an irritating debate in that sense because they were firing these jibes back and forth. and what was missing from it was any invocation of people, humanity. we re in a town hall meeting. the only person that was raised i think hillary clinton raised an individual and just as in the last debate she raised an individual to weap weaponize that story against donald trump but the day-to-day struggle. health care, nobody mentioned anybody who was actually struggling with health care. i was surprised by that. let s go back to the tape. i want to play donald trump s response when the subject of this access hollywood tape, him talking very crudely about women, seeming to boast about grabbing women, assaulting women inappropriately. here was his response. you called what you said locker room banter. you described kissing women without their consent, grabbing their genitals. that is sexual assault. you bragged you sexually assaulted women. do you understand that? no, i didn t say that at all. i don t think you understood what was said. this was locker room talk. i m not proud of it. i apologized to my family. i apologize to the american people. certainly i m not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. you know, when we have a world where you have isis chopping off heads, where you have and frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over, where you have so many bad things happening, this is like medieval times. we haven t seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world, and they look and they see. can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and they see what s going on. yes, i m very embarrassed by it. i hate it. but it s locker room talk and it s one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we re going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left so because of bad judgment. and i will tell you, i will take care of isis. so the basic response there, van, it was locker room talk but nothing compared to the horrors of isis and i m going to stop isis. i just thought that was just horrible. he rather than apologizing he minimized. and that was something that everybody here agreed he should avoid doing. and basically, if the only thing you have to say about yourself is i m not as bad as isis, i mean, that s your defense, there s something wrong with that kind of response. [ cheers and applause ] the other thing is that you cannot underestimate the history that was made in our country. a line was crossed that i don t know has been crossed in my lifetime, maybe ever. he threatened to jail his opponent. right. he threatened to jail hillary clinton if he became president of the united states. that is something i think is a new low in american democracy. but i will say something maybe provocative. i think hillary won because donald trump kind of won. in other words, the worst possible outcome for hillary clinton could have been if she knocked him out. if she had knocked him out and forced him out of the race, you could have been in a situation where the republican party could rally, get somebody else in there. it was actually a good outcome for her. she did well enough. he did well enough. he stabilized himself. and he s going to bleed out. and she s going to be able to get across the finish line. i m not sure we watched the same debate because read the transcript. donald trump issued three more apologies. he s now up to issuing five. that s enough for most of the american people. i m still waiting on the media to call on the apology for hillary clinton lying to the families of benghazi members when she told them their families were dead because of a video. i m still waiting for a call for that apology. but i think something very big happened tonight that is lost upon most of us. what we saw tonight was someone speak for the people against the washington elite. there are people in this country, 2/3 of the country thinks we re in the wrong direction. they re tired of being promised hope and change, which is what president obama promised millennialed, promised the american people and it did not materialize. and you saw donald trump flawlessly expose the double standards of justice when he said when he said if someone, an american citizen had done 1/5 of what you had done with your e-mails their lives would have been destroyed. and there was an audible boo from the audience because people know hillary clinton lied when she retorted with the fact that i didn t do anything wrong with my e-mails. the audience booed because there are two standards. the washington elite get one and we the american people get another. i think that was explosive. i think the audience had trump supporters and clinton supporters and we heard both sides. but let me go into let me play some of what you re talking about and specifically, van jones, it s the moment you that referred to where he said that were he in charge of the laws she would be in jail. i didn t think i d say this but i m going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we re going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them. or bleach them as you say. a very expensive process. so we re going to get a special prosecutor and we re going to look into it. because you know what? people have been their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you ve done. and it s a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. secretary clinton everything he just said is absolutely false but i m not surpris surprised. i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i d never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we re going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump. you can fact-check him in real-time. it s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. because you d be in jail. secretary clinton [ cheers ] so jeffrey, i heard you laughing. obviously that is a crowd pleaser for trump supporters. there s no question about that. he already has trump supporters. they already support him. is that the kind of line that exemplifies the kind of temperament that those who are undecided want to hear from him? yes. and i ll tell you why. this is about as kayleigh was saying, this is about the american people versus the political class in this country. media elites, politicians, et cetera, who as he said repeatedly there, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and they never get anything done and they lie and they dissemble. and she would in fact, if she were not hillary clinton, she would be in huge trouble with these e-mails. and she would conceivably be going to jail. i mean, other people have gone to jail for these kind of problems. so what he s doing there is hitting the broad themes, one, the division between the american people and the political class. two, her character. if you remember that famous quinnipiac poll from last year where they asked people to free-associate one-word descriptions of the candidates and for her it was dishonest and liar. you know that s kind of a bogus poll where they i mean, i think the biggest ones for trump were unflattering as well. but i take your point on the fact that she has very, very low trustworthy and honesty numbers so he was hitting this. okay, paul. the strategic context in which this debate occurs is the trump campaign in meltdown. a meltdown especially with women because of this really horrific tape where he brags about committing sexual assault. i don t think he put it to bed. you keep hearing stories that there s more tapes to come. the guy did 10 or 14 years on television and people keep saying we re going to go through these tapes. maybe they will. maybe they won t. but he certainly did nothing to put it behind him or even to inoculate against the stories to come. now, tonight s audience, i bet you a nickel, would be much more female than male. first off more voters are female than male. but tonight we re up against qupt sunday night football. packers by the way 17-9 over the giants leading right now fourth quarter. the performance he put on, first being so bizarre about this sexual assault. in one of the answers he mentioned isis, immigration, and the economy. in one of the follow-ups he rambled on about michelle obama, sidney blumenthal, debbie wasserman schultz, bernie sanders, e-mails. that doesn t assuage any women voters. and then the style throughout the debate i kept hearing from a lot of women, they didn t like that the pacing, the stalking. yeah. the really kind of creepy behavior when he wasn t speaking. toward hillary. last time it was he got in trouble for interrupting. he did a fair amount of that again. he seemed to actually pick a lot of unwise fights with martha raddatz also. less so with anderson. this is not if i m as a super pac guy, i work for the super pac that s opposing trump and is supporting hillary. i m happy about this. if i were a trump strategist i d say boss, we ve got a problem with women and you just made it worse. we re going to keep it there. everyone stay. we ve still got two hours. wolf, let me throw it back to you. anderson anderson. jake, thanks very much. we ve got an excellent moment right now to discuss something i d never heard in any of these debates before between two presidential candidates. and dana, let s talk a little about this. one candidate says not only is he going to put forward a special prosecutor to investigate his rival but, and this is very significant, he s going to put her in jail if he s elected president of the united states. that s pretty extraordinary. okay. not to sound too corny, but what makes this country different from countries with dictators in africa or stalin or hitler or any of those countries with dictators and totalitarian leaders is that when they took over they put their opponents in jail. to hear one presidential candidate say, even if it was a flip comment, which it was, you re going to be in jail to another presidential candidate on the debate stage in the united states of america, stunning. just stunning. certainly is. john king. most of his strategy on these issues was clearly designed, a, listening to his alt-right advisers. this was a breitbart strategy from the predebate and the debate. if he s bleeding across the electorate, if his goal priority one is to stop the bleeding on the right, then it may have succeeded in that. if you look at state by state, if you look at the battleground states, if you look at the demographic breakdowns in the states he is losing now heading into the last 30 days. remember, the timing of this is critical. in the last 30 days there are some people already voting. more people will start voting this week. even more will start voting after that. many in the most important battleground states. 30% of the american people last tight voted early. that will probably be a little higher this time. so the election is not on november 8th. it is now for many people in the states that matter. and if donald trump needed to shore up his conservative base, his team is very happy. he was much modern gauged than he was tonight. he was much more aggressive. he did more counterpunching. he got to some of the issues that he believes are her weaknesses but to dana s point there is that going to win you the vote of a moderate woman in the philadelphia sbushds? i think not. is it going to get you raves on zruj and breitbart and the conservative media and the other network, we all know who i m talking about, most likely. but at least he ll stop the bleeding among his own base. yes. i think that is a fair assessment that you can see in the mood and even the republicans who don t like trump. they think this is the worst possible outcome because they thought if he tanked tonight there would be pressure to get him out of the race. exactly. and now they re saying he did well enough to stay in. they don t think he can win and they think he hurts other senate and house candidates. but they think he did well enough to sustain himself without a doubt and i know that s what they think inside team trump. without a doubt they think they had a strong night. we re just hearing that eric holder apparently just said that trump s threat was like nixonian. not so much the jail threat but the threat that if he becomes president he s going to instruct his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor. it s first of all, i believe it s kind of a misunderstanding of what is even allowed and the way that the process works. but even so, putting that aside, just the threat is something that is going to this is something that s going to have ripple effects in the days to come. i also think another giant question tonight, again, people view these things through their partisan prism but we know that hillary clinton has barack obama, michelle obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, joe biden, bill clinton. donald trump has mike pence. there are no other senior republicans out there. and he threw mike pence under the bus tonight. he threw his running mate under the bus tonight, who has stood by him mike pence did not defend donald trump on the specifics in the vice presidential debate. i was told that got under donald trump s skin a little bit. mike pence did stand by him this weekend. mike pence, a christian conservative whose wife i m told was horrified when she heard that tape and who talked to her husband about it, mike pence did stand by donald trump even though he did say the language is offensive. dysfunction in the campaign in the last 30 days is dangerous. he just did put out a tweet mike, pence that s what i was looking for. going ahead and endorsing congrats to my running mate @realdonaldtrump on a big debate win. proud to stand with you as we make #make america great again. brianna keilar you ve got a special guest in the spin room. i have hillary clinton s campaign chair john podesta. and i want to get your reaction to something first. donald trump called hillary clinton the devil but he also made a threat that if he were in charge of the laws of the country that he would jail her, he would imprison her. what is the campaign s reaction? well, it s one more over-the-top statement by donald trump. and fortunately, he s not in charge of the laws of the united states and never will be. but i think that maybe he was trying to appeal to his base. what we ve seen over the last few weeks and particularly over the last few days are republicans peeling off him in droves. so maybe all he s got left is his base. so to call her the devil is i think beneath a presidential candidate. it s one more reason yes he doesn t have the temperament to do the job of being president or being the commander in chief. the optics from the beginning of the debate were that we sea chelsea clinton not there to shake the hands of melania trump and her kids as we saw during the first debate. and then hillary clinton did not shake hands with donald trump at the beginning of the debate. that s a very clear signal she was trying to send. well, look, i think he came in here sort of pulling this stunt that he did at the beginning of this and was on the attack from the beginning. again, i think maybe he was just trying to stabilize his own base of voters even as that s shrinking. but i think that given what we saw, what we saw on the videotape, what we re seeing now in the howard stern tapes, his she s trying to signal something. she s trying to signal that she that his behavior is doesn t really deserve the respect of a handshake at the beginning. she did shake his hand at the end. but i think that, you know, he came in tonight and even walked back whatever bit of an apology he gave for the access hollywood tape that every american now has probably seen over and over again. i know that one of the strategies coming into this was thinking that after that tape came out there were people who were newly open to hillary clinton. but the assessment seems to be that she really just rallied the base and whether or not she has really expanded it seems that she and donald trump just rallied their base. what do you say to that? i think she came in trying to answer the specific questions. this was supposed to be i think in my mind a town hall where voters got to ask specific questions. the moderators asked a lot of the questions tonight. but the voters did get to ask questions. and i think she wanted to talk about the specific ideas, the specific plans, what she s been able to do in a bipartisan way when she was first lady, when she was senator, the children s health insurance program, the other program she talked about. but most importantly what she wanted to do to build an economy that was going to work for everyone, not just those at the top. so if n. doing that i think what she wanted to try to accomplish was to say i want to be a president for everyone and i want to have you listen to me with a positive message, an optimistic view of what america can be. in contrast i think he was dark and divisive again. john podesta with the clinton campaign. thank you so much. back to you guys. all right. thanks very much, brianna keilar. let s play a clip. this is donald trump speaking about the former president of the united states, bill clinton. i told you, that was locker room talk. i m not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country. and certainly i m not proud of it. but that was something that happened if you look at bill clinton, far worse. mine are words and his was action. his was what he s done to women. there s never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that s been so abusive to women. so you can say any way you want to say it, but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women. and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off. and she s seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped. kathy shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. so don t tell me about words. absolutely i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paula jones, who s also here tonight. and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago i think it s disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself if you want to know the truth. he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. he gets it decide what he wants to talk about. instead of answering people s questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have that we think can make a better life and a better country, that s his choice. when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. [ cheers and applause ] she got some applause for that line but i didn t hear a robust vote of confidence, a defense of her husband in that response, because he really went after bill clinton. hillary clinton didn t mention bill clinton s behavior or actions at all. she didn t defend her actions at all. she just went after more or less donald trump essentially saying you re trying to go back and we re talking about you here. a couple of points on that. donald trump clearly tried to gin up support on the r50i9d right with his base. if you talk to conservatives, especially the all the rooilt conservative media they think these issues have been ignored or forgotten. you and i covered the white house at the time. the paula jones case, kathleen willey case, monica lewinsky impeachment that dominated our lives. i had color in my hair when that started. that was several years of our lives. they think we should still be talking about this later. and trump was trying to connect hillary clinton to that. will that be a winning strategy in the general election? we ll see how it plays out. but clearly donald trump came here tonight saying when i m asked about me i m going to deflect to bill clinton. i do think it helped him rally conservatives. i also know from e-mail conversations with clinton campaign people anderson cooper said this is sexual assault. and what donald trump he said he didn t do it. he said he was just talking about it. he did say tonight which he did not say in that weekend night video-e didn t address whether or not it actually happened. he just said he was sorry. donald trump did say he never did those things. so he was bragging about sexually assaulting women. and he said no, it s locker room talk. the clinton people that s going to be in an ad probably by the time we get to the end of this week. with anderson cooper asking a direct question and donald trump saying it s locker room talk. it s not locker room talk. it is not locker room talk to whether you re fantasizing about it speculating about it or talking about it of groping people, sexually assaulting people. that s a crime. but i will just say, and probably getting similar notes from republicans, i just got one from a top republican who s very skittish about donald trump saying that he did okay acknowledging the bar this is among republicans. that the bar is pretty low right now for him to kind of bring some of them back into the fold but that in the words of this republican he moved the conversation beyond the caught on tape hot mike situation. on the flip side of that i ve been hearing from some democrats who think that hillary clinton did well but wondering why didn t she put it away, wondering what could she have done differently to after the weekend that donald trump just had to just end it. just completely end his candidacy. and that she possibly could have with this debate but didn t. but you think that s in part the result of an hour before the debate he invites these women no. to come here not only to do a little joint photo opportunity with him but then to sit in the front row you mean whether she was rattled? yeah. i mean, i don t know. i didn t get the sense that she really changed her strategy much at all. that she was going to do what she was going to do. she clearly was ready for bill clinton s name to come up in the context of these women or in any other context. and he she made the decision she wasn t going to go there. she was going to instead hit all the demographics that she thinks that donald trump has offended, whether it s the disabled or the hispanics or muslims and so forth and she was just going to pretend like the bill clinton question didn t happen. she s trying to keep what she s got. she d she s ahead right now. she s head in the moltum in the last ten days and we don t know about the weekend. we don t know how that will be processed by voters or this debate which they ll be processing at the same time. what they learned over the weekend about donald 2ru78. and now this debate. hillary clinton came saying if i protect what i have i win the election. and she was it was clear she was hoping that donald trump hurt himself with his own words and donald trump turned in a much stronger performance in terms of punching, counterpunching and getting to the issues more favorable to him. a much better job tonight than in the first debate no doubt. our exclusive cnn/orc poll results momentarily. who won this debate? in the meantime let s go back to jake. thanks so much. appreciate it, wolf. i m back with our panel. something i want to throw out to everyone here. i ll start with this side and work over. the alicia machado moment was a throwaway line at the end of the last debate and it became a huge story because of how the clinton campaign went with it and because of donald trump s reaction. one thing i m wondering if donald trump introduced at this night s debate that we just talked about over here that might become a bigger thing for the clinton campaign and i think we can agree they re much more effective at the attacks and the commercials and with surrogates, et cetera. that is with donald trump saying if he gets elected president he s going to ask his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to put hillary clinton in jail. yeah. this is the kind of thing they do in countries not like the united states, where you lock up and jail your political opponents. this feeds into something a criticism we ve heard actually more from conservative critics of donald trump than liberal critics of donald trump. can you imagine this man with his dem pramt and his drive for vengeance having instruments of government at his hands, the irs, et cetera. i wonder if that was a much bigger gaffe than we are making it out to be. i think it is. i think it s a huge gaffe. republicans talk about the imperial presidency and how barack obama has abused his executive powers. imagine somebody being asked to serve as attorney general if you knew that a president was going to direct prosecutions. i m not a lawyer. but i get that. and it is as dana was pointing out nixonian to a great degree. and i think that it is also un-american to a great degree. and i think that is something the clinton campaign can use and can use very fevtly. also to me when he said i d put her in jail. remember during the convention lock her up. lock her up, lock her up. and he kind of tried to quiet it a little at the convention because he was in presidential mode. now this was a primary campaign debate to me tonight and what he was doing was rallying the base by saying lock her up effectively, which he did also, calling her a liar multiple times and the devil. multiple times. and saying he d put her in jail. and he said she had hate in her heart. i don t think that s going to play very well with voters. i think what happened was he said i m throwing out the playbook and i m going with, as you point out, i m going with the material that s worked for me when i go out there and speak to these rallies. this line of prosecuting hillary clinton is something he s used in his rallies. this is not a new idea. he just raised it to the level of a debate point here. and my guess is it will resonate well with his base and it will antagonize the people he needs to grow who worry about the things you point out, who worry about his temperament, worry about whether he would handle the job of president in a responsible way. so you know, i think he galvanized the base again, perhaps at the expense of expanding it. it s another iteration of her argument, which is in an ad, about having him near the nuclear codes. a man you can bait with a tweet shouldn t be near the nuclear codes. and he also probably shouldn t have the instruments of the military, of the justice department. so yeah, i think that ll certainly end up in an ad. and again, it s going to turn off those moderate swing voters who want a steady person, who want somebody who is steady in terms of their temperament, in terms of their manner, in terms of their speech and approach to issues. so i think this it wasn t a plant by hillary clinton in any way. i don t think it s going to end up in an ad because this isn t the issue she doesn t want to i don t think alleged criminality those who watched it i think it was cringeworthy for a lot of folks who watched it. jake, the two of us have ties to the philly suburbs. i still live there. you have family who are there. i ve waited, we re now a month out from the election, less if you start and think that people are already voting and i ve been waiting and waiting and waiting for the pivot or the outreach to the folks who come in from our area because if we had a nickel for every time they get invoked, even on snl, we d be wealthy individuals. it s never going to happen. i mean, this is the donald trump who got this far. i think there potentially is an emperor has no clothes thing going on around him where perhaps the people who could say to him you need to pivot won t do so for whatever reason. but this is what got him thus far and this is how he s going to ride it out. and i think that he feeds on the reaction that he gets from that base which is what keeps him hitting but michael, maybe he felt like he took the advice of the people who were telling him to pivot and be more muted in the last debate and it didn t turn out well for him. could be. so he decided well, the hell with that, i m going to throw all that out and go back to the stuff i know works. and just to elaborate, it s not michael and i are biased because we re from philadelphia but it s not just the philly burbs we re talking about, we re talking about white college educated voters, the people in the i-4 corridor in the middle of florida, we re talking about the people in northern virginia, in the suburbs of denver. these are voters that mitt romney did well with, that john mccain did well with. still not well enough to win harrisburg, where thousands show up for donald trump. and donald trump is underperforming with them. and i know that this i m sure he will win every online poll. i know that the breitbart crowd ate this up. my question is did he win over any suburban households in philadelphia? sure. i think he can. and let me use the issue here that you were just talking about to illustrate. talking about jailing the opponent and how this is dictators and all this kind of stuff. there is another side to this. and on a side that independent voters, the kind of folks you were talking about are very concerned about, and that is the politicization of the department of justice where you have an attorney general, eric holder, who said in that case of the black panthers group there that were at the polls in philadelphia and they were armed and they were in uniform. he said he wasn t going to do it because these are my people. again, i m sure he s winning fox news voters. that s not my point. when you talk about he said he would some fact checker is the fact check machine is going tilt right now. you re speaking against the politicization of the justice department under the obama administration. his answer was i ll tell my attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to lock her up. that s not what he said. he said i will appoint a special prosecutor to look into it. yes. and then later in the same exchange he said if he were in charge of the government she d be in jail. as a response. i know the media doesn t get satire and humor but that was a humorous line we do. we get satire. you compare him to hitler and stalin locking people up when he said i don t think anybody mentioned hitler or stalin. but let s play it. let s play the exchange. i didn t think i d say this but i m going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we re going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them, as you would say. a very expensive process. so we re going to get a special prosecutor and we re going to look into it because you know what? people have been their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you ve done. and it s a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. secretary clinton everything he just said is absolutely false but i m not surprised. oh, really? i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i d never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we re going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump, you can fact-check him in real time. it s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. because you d be in jail. secretary clinton. yeah. humor right there. you re saying he wasn t being serious? i m saying he used that line. it was humor to illustrate the point. and the point is as with the e-mails i mean, how many so he thought she was innocent of anything wrong with e-mails? how many stories have we seen, jake, in the last two weeks about destruction of computers, special privileges, the president president clinton gets on the plane i love you guys know i love jeffrey lord. i do. i m not joking. here we go. and i greatly appreciate this is a clearing of the throat. this is it. jake, you may want to get out of the way. but the idea that you are threatening to prosecute your opponent is as best i can tell unprecedented in american history. and i will say this. you don t appoint a prosecutor to investigate. you appoint a prosecutor to lay the groundwork to put somebody in jail. and here s the problem i have with the whole thing. but hold on a second. here s the problem i have with the whole thing. look, we do have a criminal justice system that is unfair, that is biased, but when people like black lives matter point this out people like yourself say they re race baiting, they re racist, and turn a deaf ear. so you can t have it both ways. you can t pretend to care about a broken criminal justice system only when donald trump is scoring political points about hillary clinton and then turn your deaf ear to the cries of actual people who are suffering. and there was a big missed opportunity tonight. when that muslim woman stepped forward, donald trump could have very easily said to her, i understand what you re going through. and he did. and he didn t. he did. let me finish. we ll get the tape. we ll get the tape. he very briefly said one thing. and then he basically gave an islamophobic answer to a question about islamophobia. why do i say that? because he said you the muslims have to report on the things that are going on. as if only the muslims have to do this. as if all of the mass shootings are done by muslims. you can say you want everyone in the country you see something say something. that s an american position. he says the muslims have a special responsibility. that s an islamophobic response. and he missed opportunity after opportunity to reach out. but don t play games with criminal justice with me. so kayleigh, let me ask you. you maintain and tell me what you think. that the first part, special prosecutor, serious, but then the other thing about because you d be in jail that was a joke. i do. and the audience laughed. so i think they clearly got the humor. but you know, to van s point about criminal justice and double standards and caring about citizens, you know who i care a lot about? petty officer christian saucier, who s sitting in a jail right now sentenced to one year in prison for taking eight photographs on a submarine to show his family and bringing back classified information home for him. christian saucier s in jail. hillary clinton did the same thing. she s out free because the fbi, to jeffrey s point, is politicized. they re friends. four of the people sitting at this table have worked in the white house. the white house must maintain an arm s length relationship from the prosecutorial power of the justice department. and it always has. except in the nixon administration where nixon did try to politicize both the fbi and the cia. it was one of the darkest moments of our history. what trump has suggested is straight out of the dictator s handbook. and it came during the same debate when he publicly broke with his running mate who dared to question vladimir putin. now, ken vogel of politico points out, but i remember this from my own work, that in ukraine a putin puppet, viktor yanukovych, did the same thing. he became president. he was a putin puppet. he locked up his predecessor, yulia tymoshenko. this guy is laying the groundwork for exactly he wants to crack down on the first amendment against journalists. in every rally he attacks journalists. now he wants to lock up his opponent just like putin s buddy. and even his running mate takes second fiddle to his pal putin hold that thought. coming up who won tonight s debate? what do voters think? we ll reveal the first results of our instant poll of debate watchers. and we ll get the first reaction from our focus group of undecided voters in the key battleground state of ohio. stay with us. yeah mom, the new kitchen s great. hey! if you want somethig to cook faster, you just double the heat right? no reason. hey mom, for laundry, the maximum load is just a suggestion right? oh that makes sense. ummm mom, how do i monitor my credit? ok. thanks mom. that was easy. sign up for credit karma s free credit monitoring today. we re here in the spin room getting reaction from all the candidates both the candidates surrogates. lots of reaction coming in. we re also standing by for the exclusive results of our cnn/orc poll of voters in ohio. we re going to get that momentarily. stand by for that. first official unofficial but poll results. scientific poll that we ve got, you re going to get those results momentarily. david chalian will be with us for that. the big question of the night, what did undecided voters think about donald trump s answer to the question about the leaked tape? pamela brown watched the debate with a group of these voters. we re about to show you what they thought. while you watch look at the bottom of your screen. if the lines go up, voters liked the answer. if the lines go down, they didn t like the answer. men s responses are in green, women in yellow. here s donald trump s response. just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. for the record you re saying you didn t do those things? you hear these things are said and i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. have you ever done those things? and women have respect for me. and i will tell you no, i have not. and i will tell you that i m going to make our country safe. pamela, these voters didn t seem to like his answer. yeah, as you saw the very strong reactions from these 29 undecided voters from the ohio state university. so let s get straight to them to see what their reaction was when donald trump defended himself against that access hollywood video. what did you think, barb, when you heard what he had to say? i find it hard to believe whatever he says. he just doesn t seem to be a truthful person. reporter: and you have two sons and you had sort of a visceral reaction to what he said in defense of that video and what he was saying in that video. what did you think? well, i just feel that everyone has placed all of the accent upon young women and how we should protect them. we are equal citizens. i would hope that my sons would not talk like he did and i have tried to raise them not to act that way. reporter: it s interesting, because he reiterated in his defense that this is locker room banter, that this is just words. what do you think, larry? did that resonate with you? no. because that s not locker room talk. and for a 59-year-old man to claim that that s locker room talk i think is offensive to the young men who are out playing sports and doing the right thing. to me, it s pure and simple, sexual assault. and he should be held accountable for his thinking and actions of sexual assault. so to you that is not just locker room banter? that s not. not at 59 years old, especially. i don t know any 59-year-olds who are in locker rooms. i just want to get quickly a show of hands. who thought that donald trump did enough to put that controversy surrounding the tape behind him? raise your hand if you think he did enough tonight in defense. okay. and there were some positive reactions when hillary clinton actually spoke after donald trump defended himself against that video. let s take a listen to what she had to say during the debate. this is who donald trump is and the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are. that s why, to go back to your question, i want to send a message. we all should. to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good. so i want to ask you, what was it about hillary clinton s argument that resonated with you following donald trump s defense of the video? she stated that america is already great and i tend to agree with that. though we are slow in progressing in a number of areas, we are progressing and we need to continue the momentum. what about you? what did you think about hillary clinton s argument, the way that she reacted, particularly when he brought up bill clinton s past and the allegations against him? what did you think? i think that she tried to clarify that they weren t the same, that what donald trump had done was she had talked about her children and other people s children and daughters and that it just it was uncalled for and he should not have done it and didn t feel that his apology was sincere. and it s interesting because she largely sort of stayed away from going there. do you think that was a smart move? raise your hand if you think that was a smart move. and raise your hand if you think it was a smart move for donald trump to bring that up, if that was fair game. why do you think that? well, i think, you know, if everything is out on the table, then everything is fair game. is it apples to apples, absolutely not. but i don t think in these debates it just doesn t ever seem like anything s off the table. i m going to get a show of hands now. the big question, who do you think won this debate? hillary clinton. raise your hand if you think hillary clinton won tonight s debate. okay. raise your hand if you think donald trump won this debate. okay. so clearly there are some of you who thought this was a draw. raise your hand if you think tonight s debate was a draw. all right. there you go. there you have it, wolf. mixed response. coming up, we re going to talk about what they thought and who they are going to vote for, these undecided voters, if any of them cemented their vote after tonight s debate. you won t want to miss that. hillary clinton is now speaking to reporters aboard her aircraft. i want to listen in. go back and lean up against my stool but he was very present. we re going to take off. then we re going to bring you - you . [ inaudible question ]. nothing surprises me about him really, dan. i was surprised by the absolute avalanche of falsehoods. i mean, i really find it almost unimaginable that someone can stand and just tell, you know, a falsehood after falsehood. you all remember politifact said he was the most untruthful candidate they d ever evaluated. and we sort of did the numbers. i think they said he was like 70% untruthful. and so i think he exceeded that percentage tonight. how did president clinton anyway, thank you, guys. we ll come back in a few minutes. there she is. hillary clinton going to the back of her plane to speak to reporters, making some tough statements once again against donald trump. we have the results now of our instant poll. we ve been waiting for this. david chalian, our political director. give us the results. wolf, as you know, we did a pofl debate watchers. this is not a national poll of all voters. this is a poll of debate watchers and just like we saw in the first debate and the vice presidential debate, the audience skews a little more democratic. debate watchers are a little more democratic than we would see in a national poll overall. having said that, who won the debate? according to the debate watchers we polled, hillary clinton won the debate. 57% to 34% for donald trump. that s not as big of a victory as she got in our poll in the first debate but it is a clear victory here. but talk about besting expectations. take a look at this. did donald trump best expectations, did he do better than you thought he would do? 63% of debate watchers said donald trump did better than they expected. only 21% say that he did worse and 15% say he did the same as they expected. how about hillary clinton s expectation game? take a look at these numbers. did hillary clinton do better or worse than you expected? 39% say she did better. 26% said she did worse and 34% said she did about the same. hillary clinton the winner in this poll of who won the debate. but donald trump significantly overperforming expectations. but the polls show that she did win this debate. let s get immediate reaction from kellyanne conway, the trump campaign manager who is with us. what s your reaction to that? my reaction is that i m glad that people think that 60% according to your online poll believe that hillary clinton either did worse or the same as they expected. it showed she wasn t very well prepared for tonight s debate. and that really surprises me. because if she s anything she s, you know, very wonky. she s very pedantic, lawyerly in her responses. i would have thought she d be better prepared for this debate. ail heard all week, wolf, is that the town hall format is really great for her. whereas we know it s our sweet spot because donald trump is out there every single day engaging with voters. he loves that. he s at the rallies. he s at the smaller forum round tables. he s at his own town halls. he clearly won the debate tonight why? because if you watched anybody s shows this whole weekend we ve just been left for dead, it s all over, why even show up, will there be a debate, are people jumping ship. he came here to play tonight and he came here to take the case right to hillary clinton and to show americans this race is still what it s always been. past versus future. politician versus successful businessman. washington insider versus disrupter. and he made that case very clearly. he did not back down. kellyanne, i want to ask you about what he said at the beginning of the debate. more than one time he referred once again to what he said on that tape as locker room talk. you re his campaign manager, the only woman at the head of that campaign. what did you think when you saw and you heard that? truthfully, what was your reaction? my initial reaction was very close to what melania trump said. i was offended. and i think that language is offensive and disgusting. and i m also very happy that he apologized. i m glad that he holds himself excuse me. accountable. because i look at the full measure of people, what they ve said, what they ve done, dana, and how they deal with adversity that comes to him to them. and donald trump is absolutely correct. these are words compared to actions. and he made that very clear tonight that hillary clinton blaming and shaming the women in her husband s life, that is not somebody who s standing up for women. but the term locker room talk. you had the highest-ranking woman in congress, republican woman, kathy mcmorris rogers, blowing that off and saying no, no, no, this is suggesting sexual assault and that s a very unfortunate phrase and people should stop using it. why? because i know him better. and i know better. but it s what he said. he did not say the word sexual no. it s what he implied you want to talk about sexual assault, right here in the hall i know cnn doesn t want into the view them for whatever reason. you give miss universe a big platform. but we have in the hall tonight juanita broaddrick and paula jones and kathy shelton the 12-year-old rape victim that two years before the rape shield laws were implemented in arkansas hillary clinton defending her 42-year-old rapist successfully defending him getting him a plea bargain. she was willing to blame and shame that victim as well who was 12 years old. we can talk about sexual assault but let s have a full conversation about it. this is what i know. i have to assess people based on what i see in totem. this is a man i ve been alone with many times who s never been anything but gracious and a gentleman and elevated me to the top level of his campaign the way he s elevated women in the trump organization for decades. because he respects women. let me just say that cnn at the time many, many years ago did fully litigate these two gentlemen were actually covering the clinton white house fully, talk about and report on their stories at the time. because it is very old. and i just because you brought it up i just have to say, kellyanne how she treated them. no, no. it was real time. i just have to say because you brought it up that your boss himself back in 1998 told neil cavuto about these victims. i don t necessarily agree with his victims, talking about bill clinton. his victims are terrible. he, meaning bill clinton, is the real victim himself. he put himself in that position. and he talked about how unattractive these people are. so in 1998 we re not going to talk about paula jones because it s too old but we ll talk did what i m saying is at that time he was defending bill clinton and going after these guys and now he s changed he s gotten to know them. we took note of hillary clinton s comment on the campaign trail and actually she said all sexual assault victims deserve to be heard and believed. these are her words. she s running for president now. she wants to be the president of all people. i assume except for the ones she thinks are deplorable and airredeemable which is tens of millions. but in fairness i know we want to talk about this because we certainly don t want to talk about tonight s campaign performance. when hillary clinton just on her plane lying that donald trump said falsehood after falsehood. i was watching the debate in real time. politifact, the fact checker said he was right about her wanting to have a 550% increase in sir refugees let me ask you another question about the debate. donald trump said he had not spoken to his vice presidential running mate mike pence about syria and he disagreed with him. we re 30 days from the american people voting. mike pence will be out there campaigning tomorrow. is the message to the american people at mike pence rallies don t believe what he says because not at all. they were talking about two different things. i just talked to governor pence not ten minutes ago. he says hello. he and mr. trump had also talked about what a great debate we ve had between tuesday night the vice presidential debate and tonight obviously donald trump winning here. in a vice presidential debate the conversation was about humanitarian crisis. and that s what governor pence was referring to. and mr. trump said and he said the united states might have to use force. governor pence the united states might he might have to. and donald trump said tonight i disagree with that. and i haven t spoken with him. about that particular aspect of it since the debate. that is true p they ve spoken many times this week. but let me be clear. on tv on your network today cnn s jake tapper took tim kaine to account because he couldn t answer a simple question about what hillary clinton said in the e-mails about having open borders. we know she s for open borders but the only way we know it now is because we saw it in her e-mails we did hear something extraordinary from donald trump today. he said if he s elected president he will ask the justice department to name a special prosecutor to go after hillary clinton. and then he went one step further and said he would arrest her and lock her up he would put her in jail. in all of the years, i don t remember a time in american history when one candidate has said of the other candidate if he wins the other candidate s going to jail. donald trump is channeling the frustration of a lot of americans he hears from, wolf. so many americans say i can t believe that people have been their lives have been ruined, their livelihood gone, they face jail time for doing far less than hillary clinton did hear and yet she was completely exonerated for deleting 33,000 e-mails, not turning over another 17,000. that s 50,000 right there. setting up the private server to begin with. saying that there s no classified information. fbi director comey said that s not true. i only had one device. she had many. they took a hammer to them. the story goes on and on. and it s an active investigation. in other words, just less than two weeks ago did ybut you understand the enormity of that statement. he s going to lock up his opponent if he wins. well, no, what he said is he wants to appoint a special prosecutor because he feels and he channels nearly public will here he hears all the time if we don t hear about the disasters in obama care and her failure with the russian reset and benghazi we re always hearing about the e-mails. and he is telling he told america tonight what america has told him. the frustration that there s a different set of rules for this woman as goes for e-mails. and she i you ve got to run. i m going to put up on the screen the results of our poll. you re a professional pollster. you ll see the results. these are people who actually watched the debate and millions and millions of americans watched. who won the debate? 57% said hillary clinton won the debate. 34% said donald trump won the debate. that s the results of our cnn/orc poll. kellyanne, thanks very much for joining us. i watched a different debate, but thank you. coming up we re going to have a reality check on some of the most contentious statements we heard from the candidates tonight. and we ll reveal more results from our own poll of watchers. what was their response to trump s attempts to explain his vulgar comments caught on tape? stay with us. welcome back. we re here in the spin room following this historic debate. we ve got a reality check, some fact checking with tom foreman and phil mattingly. tom foreman, first to you. what have you found out? wolf, attacks and insults have characterized this campaign for months now. and tonight as well. with hillary clinton saying donald trump has gone after women again and again. but it s not only women and it s not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.s, muslims, and so many others. that is really an enormous list of people up there. could this possibly be true? well, if you go all wait back to when he announced his candidacy, yeah, at some time or another he s either said or done something to disparage people on every one of these lists. this was actually a very easy one to check. and her claim is true. wolf? thank you, tom. phil mattingly, you ve been doing a reality check as well. yeah, that s right. it wasn t just hillary clinton that was taking some swings tonight. donald trump rolling off a litany of attacks against bill and hillary clinton. included this one. that bill clinton lost his law license. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. so here s the claim, that bill clinton lost his law license. quite simply was no longer allowed to practice law. so here are the facts. in the wake of revelations that bill clinton lied during the monica lewinsky investigation the arkansas supreme court brought a disbarment lawsuit against clinton. now, clinton agreed as part of the resolution to that lawsuit the day before leaving office to a five-year suspension of his arkansas law license as part of that plea deal to put an end to the lewinsky investigation. so where does that leave us? the verdict. it s true. on donald trump s claim that bill clinton lost his law license for five years. it s accurate. for this and all of tonight s reality checks go to cnn.com/realitycheck. wolf? cnn s coverage of the second presidential debate continues right after this. a high one. donald trump s campaign staggered after the video where the bragged he could grab a woman s genitals. then he went to attack mode and hillary clinton responded. look, it s just not true. you didn t delete them? personal e-mails. not official. we turned over 35,000. what about the other 50,000? please allow her to respond. she didn t talk while you talked. that s true. i ll try not to in this debate because i d like to get to the questions that the people have brought here tonight to talk to us about. and get off this question. okay, donald, i know you re into big diversion tonight. anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. the news this morning,