they ve already helped him make this pick and go through this process, but they are now going to get out there and work the roots for the votes, especially for the democratic votes he needs and the more conservative states out there. this is how you do a roll-out. whether you agree or disagree with something, and after the last few days, how can something like the travel ban be so rocky and so confusing where government agencies are not talking to each other, and they do this again. whether you like the judge or not or a president from a marketing and branding standpoint. that s perfect. this is the dividing line in the white house. the travel ban was ushered into being by steven miller and steve bannon who are disrupters by nature. they create this sort of environment of chaos as part of their governing philosophy, but the supreme court pick is a very conventional washington thing. this is a reince priebus operation. it was done by the book. it was contrary to what everybody thought it was a very conventional roll-out. just a standard press conference standing there with his wife. they brought in antonin scalia s widowed wife and his children. this is the white house. it s two camps. at this level two camps. the priebus camp, the bannon camp, and they re functioning on parallel plains, but you see a bipolar white house emerging out of all of this. the president scoring it day by day. i think the establishment camp or the traditional camp wins the last 48 hours. no, no, and this process for the supreme court nominee is kind of rinse and repeat. i mean, it is different players when it s a democratic president, but it s the same process. you have the sherpa, which now we know and we ve seen today, is the former senator from new hampshire, kelly ayotte, which she was brought in because she was obviously defeated, which is why she s not a current senator, but she does have good relationships across the aisle. okay. so you do that. you have the communications person in charge. ron. you have somebody who is the aide who is going to make sure that the nominee gets ready for the hearings. we know who that person is. and you bring in the groups. president obama had the same kind of thing, the same players when he had his nominees. this is something that is not hard to figure out. when you are doing something that has not been done before, at least in modern times, like a partial travel ban, travel restrictions, whatever you call it, and you want to do it fast, and you want to do it by executive order and you want to disrupt, as you say, that s a completely different thing, and we saw that there were big problems with that. i think what was most noticeable last night was how normal the roll-out was. the president introduced mr mr. gorsuch. didn t talk about himself at all. he just mentioned that the voters had a choice in november and they chose to go this route, but he didn t talk about his victory. he didn t talk about himself. he talked all about the nominee. that to me was fascinating. he also even though democrats didn t attend, he invited democratic leadership down to the white house for the roll-out. they chose not to attend. the one thing i thought, though, was interesting and why this worked well is that the white house didn t have to work with anybody really to do this. one of the things that we saw over the past week as they rolled out executive orders to do it right, it requires a lot more coordination with congress, especially because you need their help in selling this and a lot of coordination with the executive agencies that are charged with carrying out various executive orders. that s really where the trump administration tripped up. with this roll-out, it was strictly the president s decision. they were completely in charge of the roll-out, and i think that s one of the reasons this worked so much better. i m going to say that s a really good point. this doesn t prove that any of those problems have been solved, right? because this was a solo decision, all of those problems still exist. all of the worldwide problems and the problems with conservatives over the ban still exist. that hasn t gone away. that hasn t gotten any better, but what was most remarkable to me about the announcement last night was how relieved republicans were. they were still on tender hooks up to the last second. they thought maybe he is going to surprise us or disappoint us, even though we knew who the finalists were, even though in the end they ended up being extremely pleased and republicans and especially conservatives are ecstatic about this pick. they couldn t be sure that he was going to follow through on it until he actually did. and a republican rallying moment after days of even republicans mostly being polite in public, but some of them not only disagreeing with the travel ban, but how it happened. the heavy use of executive actions in the early days also alienating the congress. a rallying point there. if you missed it, let s go back into the east room. the president of the united states and his new choice to fill a seat on the supreme court. the qualifications of judge gorsuch are beyond dispute. he is the man of our country and a man who our country really needs and needs badly to insure the rule of law and the rule of justice. it is the role of judges to apply, not alter the work of the people s representatives. a judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge. stretching for results he prefers rather than those the law demands. that s the judge last night and the president in the roll-out. everyone has mentioned how happy conservatives are. they view this as a younger, kinder, gentler in some ways, and that s not to criticize antonin scalia. he was more of a brazen, outgoing personality. this is a judge gorsuch in a case about federal power, executive power, was wrote the decision with other judges, but then he wrote his own consent to his own decision because he wanted to get more of his personal views. he had to have consensus in the opinion. republican administration. he might serve as a check on, you know, a strong executive power, which could be very important for democrats. and conservatives are hoping. it s the opposite that he is a former clerk to anthony kennedy, who is the swing vote on the court, and you have the more conservative guy, who is very close to justice kennedy. maybe he pulls him the other way in the decisions. let s unpack what we heard from the president at the top of the show. he talked about he wanted a dignified process. again, the senate will decide whether judge gorsuch gets confirmed. i want to give him some props here. for ten months judge merrick garland was waiting for a confirmation hearing. the republicans refused to get him. the first call judge gorsuch made was to call judge garland. clearly trying to say, look, i m sorry. that not my doing. it s a club. the judges are a club just like the congress and the senate. the last part, let mitch go nuclear if he wants. that s the president doesn t speak washington, which is probably one of the reasons he is president and got elected. the idea right now senate rules say you have to have 60 votes to break a filibuster. mitch mcconnell says that s his preference. he is an institutionalist. he has made clear and we ve seen other developments we re going to talk about in a minute where the republicans are getting a little frustrated, but he is willing to go that way if he has to. it is that where we re going to end up? probably not onlile only in that the 60 vote threshold is to for at least at the beginning is to allow a vote for the nominee, and we have seen little by little democrats come out, particularly those from red states, and even a democrat like dick durbin, who is not from a red state, and he is actually the leadership, but he says that it is his preference at least in the short-term, to vote to allow a vote. i know it sounds like, really, a vote to allow a vote? that s what you have to do in the united states senate. you do. if the democrats had enough that they could actually block the vote from even coming up. i think that that is the first. the answer is we re going to have to see what happens in his hearings. if he charms everybody, if he reassures people that he is not a big bad wolf and he is not going to, you know, blow the supreme court apart, then it s going to be hard really for democrats to filibuster him, and also, this is not something that mitch mcconnell wants to do. it s not just because he is a traditionalist. it s because they know from recent history the shoe is very quickly on the other foot, and there s a democrat in the white house and democrats in control of everybody hold that thought for a sec. the democratic strategy, more on the supreme court pick judge gorsuch making the rounds already. up next, though, democrats trying to stage a boycott today. republicans threw out the rules. a power play to confirm some of the president s cabinet picks. we ll be back in just a second. , with the help of the lowest taxes in decades, a talented workforce, and world-class innovations. like in plattsburgh, where the most advanced transportation is already en route. and in corning, where the future is materializing. let us help grow your company s tomorrow - today at esd.ny.gov and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don t take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. if you ve had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, don t take entresto. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high potassium in your blood. tomorrow, i m gonna step out with my favorite girl. ask your doctor about entresto. and help make the gift of tomorrow possible. people confuse but they re different. nice tells you what you want to hear. but kind is honest. this bar is made with cranberries and almonds. so, guess what? we call it cranberry almond. give kind a try. think they can i don t think they can complain. my gosh, we ve used the rules. we have the rules to use, and they used the rules the way they thought they could use them, which are there s no excuse for what they did yesterday, and there s no excuse for them not coming today. we notified them, and they just plain they used a cheap political ploy. they should be ashamed. they should be ashamed. hatch also using the term idiots to describe the the power by republicans allows the president s nominees for to move to the full senate for a confirmation vote. now democrats say they have questions. they don t want to have that vote just yet. our senior congressional correspondent manu sfs raju, you are up there in a calm sea, manu. how are the ripples? well, it s pretty choppy right now, john. you know, the republicans indeed taking this pretty dramatic move, an unprecedented move. they said it was unprecedented for them to boycott that finance committee hearing this morning and yesterday to try to deny a quorum and deny a vote in that committee, taking matters in their own hands to try to push this through, change the rules to get tom price confirmed to hhs, and also to get steven manuchin confirmed to the treasury department. scott pruitt to head epa, they boycotted those proceedings this morning, but the chairman of that committee saying they re planning to take matters into their own hands and probably emulate what senator hatch just did and push their pruitt s nomination through to the floor of the senate. similarly, nick mulvaney to be the budget director, that vote was postponed this morning when the democrats wanted more time to review his fbi report, and there are questions about whether or not he would get support to pass that committee because of john mccain s concerns about nick mulvaney s views about the defense can i. ron johnson said no matter what happens in that committee, they re still going to try to push and jam the nomination through, take it directly to the floor of the senate. what you are seeing here, john, is a really concerted, aggressive effort by the republicans to do use the power of the majority to get their nominees for donald trump s cabinet confirmed. while it s taking a little longer than donald trump would like, he probably will get all of these nominees confirmed. no matter how much how many obstacles democrats put in their way, john. manu raju on capitol hill. president angle into the wake. angle into the wake in those rough waters. let s come back into the room. this is extraordinary. the town has been polarized a long time. we knew the democrats don t like this president. weren t going to like most of his picks. they say they have lenl i want questions about some of the financial dealings otherwise here. we are seeing this again. senator hatch schangz the rules. you move those two forward. out of the judiciary senator sessions comes out on a party line vote. every democrat voting no. every republican voting yes. what does it mean anything? is it just the partisan split that is washington? is this a new level of toxicity in the environment? i think this reflects where each party s base is. neither has any use or any desire to stick with senatorial courtesy or senate rules. what they want to see are results. for democrats they re kind of in a pinch because there s not really much they can do, and their base wants them to fight everything, and i think strategically that hurts them because they might do a better job and get more results if they focused in on a couple of trump s cabinet picks and put all the attention there. for republicans and understanding the democrats and republicans play this game and both feel like they ve been slighted unfairly, republicans are still smarting from senator reed s use of the nuclear option a couple of years ago when he changed the broke the rules to change the rules as we ve been discussing, and so they just don t care as much about following rules as they might have had that never happened. and i would even go further than you on the question of the democratic base. it s not just that they want results. sure, they would love results. they want to fight. they want their members to stand up and fight. i agree with you that it might not be in the long run the greatest strategy because there are some things that democrats can get done, and at what point does the cycle stop? we thought perhaps at the beginning that there was going to be a little bit of a give and take. stand up to the republican president and the republican leaders in congress when it mattered, and otherwise, don t. for the nominees, you know, which is traditionally unless there s a huge problem, something that you give to a president, the fact that they re standing up on this issue tells you a lot about the fact that the base is so rested and they re dying for their members. chuck schumer is a new leader. he is a known figure here in washingt washington, but as a democratic figure, he is a new leader. he voted against mitch mcconnell s wife. elaine chow was confirmed. she got 94 votes. 90 something votes. he voted against the other leader s wife. that is unheard of in the united states senate. what s funny about that is there were some democrats who worried that chuck schumer wouldn t be willing to fight enough. but, i mean, you know, given what dana and david are saying, we also have to remember that the precedent for this was set by republicans over the last eight years. democrats are just adapting a sort of tea party strategy in washington to deal with this new administration. it would be unprecedented if the last eight years hadn t happened, but because it did, i think the democratic base is saying republicans did this, and they were rewarded with the white house, the house, and the senate. it s hard to the sort of trade-off here is a little bit the calculus is different, and i think some democrats, you know they are looking at 2013 when republicans failed to show up at an e.p.a. confirmation hearing meeting for one of president obama s nominees. they refused or they delayed votes on the labor secretary nominees. these are all tactics that have been used before. so for somebody for somebody watching out there who is like, i got to get the kids to school or run a business or pay their bills, this sounds kind of fifth grade, though. it sounds like a bunch of pelty grievanc grievances. i m going to do this in this congress. is that right? this is payback, and then we escalate? you did that pretty well in the last congress? i m going to take you what you and do it even better. listen to this exchange here in the judiciary committee vote. al franken, democrat of minnesota, ted cruz of texas was not in the room. what al franken was saying is that ted cruz at the jeff sessions confirmation hearing where there were questions, he says he misrepresented his fact. ted cruz s senate colleagues not only his best friend, but his senate colleague jumps in to defend him. senator cruise did the very thing that senator cornyn is accusing me of doing. in my absence he misrepresented me, he misrepresented mr mrmr. mr. hebert. he personally went after me. he personally you didn t object then, did you? i m not sure i was here, and i m want sure i wasn t here either. let me continue. it would be a decent and honorable thing to do it in the senator s presence and not well, get him here, but he will have a tape. it s good theater, and clearly some of them don t like each other or some of them maybe some of them like each other just fine and they re performing. my question is does this affect what does the president get for a tax reform plan? does the president get his isis strategy through congress? what happens to repeeling and replacing obama care? when it comes to specific policies, and the ones he needs democrats on, replacing obama care, an infrastructure plan. is this just for show, or does it affect what this president is going to get a week, a month, a year from now? i think you re absolutely right. this is not just about process. this is about results. it s a reminder that when there are things that the republican president and republican congress all agree on, they can make them happen. with the cabinet, you have the republican congress wanting to show support for president trump. the white house has been quite anguished and annoyed and frustrated that it has taken them longer than it took president obama in a lot of cases to get the cabinet through. this is something that the republican congress can all agree to do for him. it will be different when they don t agree with him. either when he proposes something that republicans in congress can t agree on or that they don t support and so that s going to be a completely different kettle of fish. trump benefits to the extent that senators do look like a bunch of fifth graders squabbling in a sandbox, right? that s very much the sort of they might sue you for sland are wresh. second graders, excuse me. even my second grader is more mature than that. you know, to the degree to which, you know, he was elected by saying these guys are all a bunch of fools, and i can overpower them, that helps him. let s keep in mind that the insurgent conservative tactics that republicans used in the obama years were not successful at all, and where democrats may perceive the democrats having profit from that by winning the white house, they won for other reasons. it was always the leadership in the establishment that had to come in and save the their bacon when these tactics failed and went down in flames. the democrats seem to be enjoying trying at the moment. we ll see. up next, the democrats call it a stolen seat, but do they have a plan to deny the president his pick? but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing. he said humira is for people like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn s disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. if you re still just managing your symptoms, talk with your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. and my life is basketball.west, but that doesn t stop my afib from leaving me at a higher risk of stroke. that d be devastating. i took warfarin for over 15 years. until i learned more about once-daily xarelto®. a latest-generation blood thinner. then i made the switch. xarelto® significantly lowers the risk of stroke in people with afib not caused by a heart valve problem. it has similar effectiveness to warfarin. warfarin interferes with vitamin k and at least six blood-clotting factors. xarelto® is selective. targeting one critical factor of your body s natural clotting function. for people with afib currently well-managed on warfarin, there is limited information on how xarelto® and warfarin compare in reducing the risk of stroke. like all blood thinners, don t stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase your risk of a blood clot or stroke. while taking, you may bruise more easily, and it may take longer for bleeding to stop. xarelto® may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, unusual bruising, or tingling. if you have had spinal anesthesia while on xarelto®, watch for back pain or any nerve or muscle-related signs or symptoms. do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. tell your doctor before all planned medical or dental procedures. before starting xarelto®, tell your doctor about any conditions, such as kidney, liver, or bleeding problems. to help protect yourself from a stroke, ask your doctor about xarelto®. insurance changes? 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when you look at heidi of north dakota and joe manchin of west virginia, that was 32 points in west virginia. if you start, republicans have 52. senator durbin is on the record saying he wants a vote and not filibuster. there are a handful of democrats that have said that. that gets you up to 56, 58. they only need to peel a couple of the other people to make this go away and have 60. my question is, number one, we ll have to see if it works, but kudos to the republicans and conservatives for being ready to mount this campaign. the question is will it work? the republicans are aided by the fact that judge gorsuch is a known quantity, and also by the fact that he will not be changing the balance of the court if he is confirmed. because his views are seen as so similar to former justice scalia s, it is not the case that democrats can argue that all of this judicial press debt is suddenly going to be out the window. it is not the case that he is such an unorthodoxed choice, that he is so outside the mainstream, a term that senator schumer used to describe what he would be looking for. it is not the case that this is, you know, somebody that trump literally picked off the set of the apprentice. the democrats get some mileage out of saying, you know, this isn t someone with the right experience, the right qualifications. now, they will argue you are surprised it wasn t amarosa? they are making this on ideology and on his judicial interpretations, and it is not unprecedented for there to be votes against or even a confirmation denied for that reason, but it s different than saying, you know, here s someone who is not qualified. it s different than saying this is someone who is going to totally change the face of the court. egit s a great point. this is all about politics within the democratic party. you just referenced the 2018 senate map, which i can count to four, maybe five because of that. i can t count to eight, which is what they need to overcome which is what democrats need to provide to kill the filibuster. i think democrats need to decide if they re going to take the short-term view possibly angering their base or take a long-attorney general view. if they do not filibuster this and if mitch mcconnell doesn t have to use the nuclear option to change the rules, i think they could set themselves up to be in a better position to influence president trump s next supreme court nominee if somebody retires than if they just changed the rules. in which case trump doesn t even have to consider how the next supreme court justice pick would pick or how to get them through the senate, but if it they decide to just go to the mat over this one, then he won t have to take democrats into account. that s such a good point. democrats give up their leverage for a next pick if they go to the mat on this one. the next one could matter immensely because this is, again, a younger scalia replacing a scalia. not a big shift in the idealogical balance of the court, but a lot of people also think a lot of conservatives say justice kennedy in private conversations says he wants to retire, and he thinks, oh, trump is doing well here. he is picking good guys. maybe he will go. that s the swing vote on the court. we ll see. this debate will end in 70 days brsh that s the average run time for a nominee. sometimes they look very different at the end than they do at the beginning. go back in your history books. how you frame the beginning matters. listen to the senate, the majority leader mitch mcconnell trying to set the standard here. judge gorsuch received a unanimously well qualified rating by the american bar association when he was nominated to his current position on the court of appeals. he was confirmed without any votes in opposition. that s right. madam president, not a single democrat opposed judge gorsuch s confirmation. not senator barack obama, not senator hillary clinton, not senators joe biden or ted kennedy. i don t know if that history will matter, but that s well played, including senator obama then senator obama, now former president obama, was a classmate at harvard with judge gorsuch. it also underscores the degree to which this potential new justice is a card-carrying member of the establishment. right? for all of the disruptive things that trump has done, this is not one of them. the question for a lot of people in trump s orbit both the republican leadership in congress and even people inside the white house who are as abby mentioned sort of at war with each other, in different camps, divided as to the approach he would take towards different things, what signal is president trump going to take from how well this roll-out is perceived as having gone? will he take a signal, oh, i could make less trouble for myself by doing more things this way, doing more things in the normal way. i mean, the establishment way. or does he want to or he likes it better when people s heads are exploding. it s important to note that the supreme court a supreme court nominee is different from anything else that he will deal with because there is a conservative machine out there at the ready, and they have been at the ready with ads, with ideas, with a whole lobbying apparatus to use whatever republican president they had, whether it s president trump, as a vessel to get the person on the supreme court. it s a great point you raise. this works well, but does he prefer chaos? 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don t be nice to vladimir putin because he is trying to disrupt the european union and the nato alliance. this is really i mean, this is really serious stuff. he is not the first person to say this. former general james mattis said basically the same thing in his confirmation hearing. there is this risk that the north atlantic treaty is going to disintegrate if we don t continue to sustain it, if we don t continue to do the things fwheed to do to start alliances with the u.k., for example, as posed to with vladimir putin who is explicitly about undermining nato. this goes beyond trump. it s about the world view of the folks around him. the idea that we should rethink this whole world order thing is very real, i think, in the white house, and that s why some of these folks the point you made earlier about the competing powers, it is fascinating we have a president never been in the military or been in government service. that s never happened in our history. there s an open tug-of-war and a competition for his world view, for his focus. be pro-putin? no, don t do that. say nato is obsolete? no, it s the fundamental source. he is in office, and there s still a tug-of-war for his world view. trump surrounded himself with hawkish generals. on the other hand, he has elevated steve bannon to the principals committee and diminished the role of the dni, the director of national intelligence, the joint chiefs of staff in terms of being guaranteed regular attendees to these meetings. i think it s still unclear as to which direction trump is going to go. in his inaugural address, he gave very short ideas philosophically as the u.s. as the gaurn tear of world peace. he has talked dif i visively ab what we get out of these. we re going to have to see which direction this goes. trump is very consistent about this throughout the campaign. he repeatedly questioned whether nato was obsolete. this was also a major theme of the british prime minister s visit last week. prime minister theresa may seeking some kind of assurances from trump that he would not go as far as he has said he would go, and she did not get any commitments from him either. there is still a lot of nervousness on the world stage. the administration and trump also have never made any commitments about what they re going to do with russia s sanctions either, and so there s a lot of uncertainty. one of the things driving the debate is the immigration ban or restrictions, call it what you will, that the president put in place earlier in the week. he tweeted this morning because there s been a debate about can you call it a ban. he has used the word ban. when his press secretary says it s not a ban, and they say the president calls it a ban. call it what you want. it s about keeping bad people with bad intentions out of the country. smart messaging from the president there. make it about safety. there s a process in the state department. this may sound more dramatic. they have this dissent process. if you are in the foreign station, you re stationed for the state department somewhere around the world, you can join this dissent process. more than 1,000 people have signed this dissent cable protesting this policy, and they say the end result of this ban will not be a drop in terror attacks in the united states, but, rather, it would be a drop in the goodwill towards america. it happens in other administrations. this is early in this administration. you ve had the white house press secretary on notice saying either get with the program or resign. the acting attorney general, an obama holdover, wouldn t enforce this policy. the president said you re fired. how will this be processed in this administration? will they say, great, we re having a conversation about this, or will they say go away? not well. i mean, like you said, sean spicer, the white house spokesperson, was as blunt as you can be. get with the program or get out. that isn t how it works, and it is this process or at least our colleague has been doing great reporting on this. the reason this process is even in place in the state department is because of the vietnam war because afterwards the officials who are in charge realized that they need place and a mechanism for people who have expertise in areas to voice their dissent, their opposition, and their concern. you know what, we should welcome that. it s something that is incredibly important. this is not an autocratic government. that s not how we operate. certainly within certain branches, i guess, you know, donald trump was in his right to fire the acting attorney general, but this is a process that needs to happen, and they probably should not say get with the program or get out because at some point they re going to need people to say, excuse me, this is going to hurt you. and it goes beyond the state department. across the government there s been this sort of, like, undercurrent of dissent among career public servants. it s interesting to see are the white house with a lot of people that have never been in government or run government before, dealing with the unwieldy nature of the vast federal bureaucracy. there are a lot of people who may or may not hold dissenting views, and they have ways to make those views known. it can create a lot of turmoil for this white house if they re not careful about managing the fact that most of these people are not political appointees. they re career people who have been there for decades. the offense they ve taken mostly, but when it goes public, their attitude is i won the election, i m in charge of the government. you work for the government. we ll see how this goes. we ll see if they do it quietly. maybe they ll tolerate it more. if they do it publicly, i don t think they like it. we ll be back in just a sec. nice tells you what you want to hear. but kind is honest. this bar is made with cranberries and almonds. so, guess what? 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coastal city of sinpo, home to north korea s submarine base, u.s. pacific command saying it was a failure, almost immediately after launch. and what i have experienced in the past when i m inside this count country, it s never reported in the state-controlled media. of course a successful launch would be a lead story with pictures of the north korean leader overseeing the event. given that this appears to be this test appears to be a failure, probably most north koreans, the vast majority, will never know that it happened, ana. and, will, explain the difference between this failed launch and an actual nuclear test. reporter: so north korea has conducted a number of missile launches since the beginning of last year, three dozen missile tests. it s fairly easy for north korea to fire these. they probably don t have a warhead inside the trajectory, has them falling in the waters off the korean peninsula. there was a simultaneous missile launch last month where three missiles landed within 200 nautical miles of the coast prompting a coastal village to do north korean missile drills for the first time they ve had mi missile drills since world war ii. so certainly troubling for the citize citizens? gentlem in japan. there s a lot of people looking at the radar to monitor these missile launches. nuclear tests are different. these are conducted at an underground nuclear test site. they dig these tunnels deep into the mountains and they can withstand a nuclear explosion. we ve seen the size of north korea s nuclear explosions according to analysts looking at things like seismic activity because these create an artificial earthquake essentially. the explosions are getting bigger. north korea is trying to develop a larger nuclear weapon. when the tests happen, the u.s. and south korea and china will send up sniffer planes and they ll put out radiation detection equipment to try to see if radiation has seeped into the outside environment. in previous tests they have been contained to that tunnel area. the north koreans looked closely at what president trump did when he dropped that moab, the mother of all bombs on the tunnels in afghanistan because in some quarters here it was perceived possibly as a threat that the u.s. may try to drop a similar bomb on underground tunnels in north korea. they wonder would the u.s. actually try to attack their nuclear test site, is that one of the strategic targets that could come into play? this really is things are always it tense on the korean peninsula. this is the most tense that i ve ever experienced in 11 trips to this country. and we really don t know how the trump administration will respond and what kim jong-un is going to do. we do know that the president of the u.s., president trump, has been briefed on this latest missile launch that failed, and we he are expecting a statement from the white house any moment. as soon as we have that, of course, we will bring that to our viewers here. in the meantime vice president mike pence is en route right now to seoul, south korea. he s expected to land there in a few hours. paul his there. how are they responding to this new development? we know there s going to be a national security council meeting in it a little less than half an hour. this is a meeting where all the top leaders of the country will be trying to figure out what kind of response they can give to north korea. clearly they ve had a lot of experience and practice of this. it s very difficult to see what kind of different statement we will see. they always say in the past they have a readiness posture. they say they will strongly respond if this continues but, of course, it s very difficult to see what they can do beyond that and, of course, keep in mind there is political stalemate in this country at this point. there isn t a full president. there s jups an acting president as the previous one has been imprisoned on a corruption scandal this is a very tricky situation that the vice president pence is arriving in. the fact that the people he will be meeting, the acting president, won t even be in power in a few weeks time. but certainly what the south koreans want at this point is guarantees, continued guarantees that we saw from the secretary of state, from the defense secretary in recent weeks, that the united states is going to stick by south korea. ana? paula hancocks and will ripley reporting from both south korea and north korea. we appreciate it. stay with us. back here in the u.s. the threat posed by north korea still looms over the trump white house. i want to bring in my panel now. cnn military analyst and retired l lieutenant general, cnn intelligence and security analyst and form earp cia operative, and from the world policy institute jonathan crystal. jonathan, somebody asked president trump if the massive bombing in afghanistan that will ripley referred to this week was a message to north korea. we heard will say some of the people in north korea certainly thought it was a message to them. well, this was the president of the u.s. s answer. will this send a message to north korea? i don t know if it sends a message t. doesn t make any difference if it does or not. north korea is a problem. the problem are be taken care of. so, jonathan, what was your reaction when you heard that? i don t think it s news. dropping a bomb on a country that we have been bombing regularly going after terrorist groups and taliban fighters, the fact that it s a larger bomb i don t necessarily tie those two things together. now it could be that we re showing the north koreans what we have in terms of our armaments and what we re willing to use. just as they are doing. north korea when they conduct missile tests, part of this is to show this is what we re able to do. we will be able to target bases nearby. we haven t seen evidence of that yet. that s the message they re trying to send when they assassinated kim jong-un s half-brother. a part of that was to show we have vx nerve gas and we re willing to use that. both sides have an interest in showing what they are capable of doing. and with the hope that it actually alleviates the tension and allows people to walk back. so, general hurtling, when we were hearing from will that these nuclear test sites are underground, it does make you think about why they use this moab, the mother of all bombs in afghanistan because there were caves and tunnels, could the u.s. military use that kind of weapon to attack the nuclear sites in north korea? i ll push back a little bit on this, ana, and say they certainly could but it wouldn t be effective and it would not be the weapon that you would use to hit some of the tunnels and some of the complexes in north korea but there are other weapons systems the u.s. has that could certainly do that. this whole discussion of the m.o.a.b. has been interesting to me because i know why they use ed it in that particular area against that particular target and it was really coincidental that it occurred right at the same time this event was occurring in north korea and right after the missile strike in korea. it had no connection whatsoever. this was a tactical command earp s call on the ground. now that s the reality. the perception and the second and third order, if other countries believe that we would use weapons like this and certainly it does send a message but that was not the intent in this particular situation. i m sure of that. bob, could north korea launch some kind of a nuclear test now after this failed missile launch to save face? yes, i do, ana, and i think they will. as the president goes on about taking on north korea with or without the chinese, the north koreans, normal reaction will be to keep going and keep going stronger and we will continue launching nuclear weapons. our problem is, and i keep on going back to this is absence of intelligence. we do not have sources in north korea. it all has to be done remeetly from satellites. their army is quite remarkable. it can move divisions without us detecting them until the last minute. so whether they will or not is a supposition on all of our parts but my guess is as long as the rhetoric stays the way it is, they re going to set up a nuclear test very soon. and i want to go back to will for that because i know, will, you have been there on the ground this past week, and you have witnessed and heard of other military movement from north korea. what do we know about the preparations that have been happening very recently leading up to a potential nuclear test? reporter: well, we are not allowed to get close to the nuclear test site but the satellite imagery from a couple days ago had showed vehicles, personnel, equipment at that nuclear test site leading people who have been observing this nuclear test site for quite some time to their analysis shows they believe it s primed and ready for a sixth nuclear test. as far as responding to actions by the united states, we heard some very strongly worded responses to the uss carl vincent, which isn t anything new. north korea has many times threatened a nuclear attack to rain fire on the united states and its allies. so that s not new. what is new there was a special forces operation that pyongyang conducted last week. it was the same day that we saw the images of the special forces were released on the same day we saw kim jong-un in person at the ribbon cutting of a new sky scrape earp he ordered built here in pyongyang at the moment we were attending this event with the north korean leader, their state media put out these images of kim jong-un overseeing xan dough commandos jumping out of a plane. when i was chatting with government officials at the military parade yesterday, i was told that special forces operation was in response to tweets from president trump about north korea and about china needing to solve the north korean nuclear problem. those same officials also said that, frankly, they re not concerned about increased economic pressure from china. clearly chinese trade is helping this country in the capital city. we re not allowed to get outside of the capital. we don t know what life is like. clearly their living standard is lower but we don t know because we re not allowed to go there but chinese trade with north korea jumped up nearly 40% in the first quarter of 2017 and despite five nuclear tests china has been reluct aant to really expert a tremendous amount of economic pressure on this country because they don t want to see a destabilized regime, a humanitarian crisis of north koreans flooding across their border, but they also most certainly do not want to see any sort of military conflict between the united states and north korea. in the chinese view that would be catastrophic. let s go back through what we know of the last year or so. we know the last actual nuclear test was in september of 2016. meantime this year there still has been a lot of activity of these missile launches that we ve seen. in fact, this would be the fifth missile launch attempt just since february. and what we re learning about this latest missile launch that failed is the u.s. defense official now telling us that early indications is that this failed missile was not an intercontinental ballistic mi missile. general hertling, what s your take on that information? what we saw in the parade today, both the cia and the dia analyst, defense intelligence agencies, are looking at the films and the satellite imagery from the parade today. there were a couple of key items that occurred in the parade, one was a longer missile that went through the parade longer than the kno-8 and kno-14. it was brabd new. it was the first time they showed submarine launch ballistic missile. that s important because it s showing that their missile program is growing. but if they wanted to literally show that they had a successful launch, what they re most concerned about is something called a cold launch. that s with solid fuel versus liquid fuel in the rocket. i don t mean to turn into a geek here but what it does, it allows the north koreans to pull a missile out and fire it immediately because it s been prefueled as opposed to taking a missile on the launch pad and then taking a lot of time to fuel it up. when that happens, it s not detected. they can also launch it out of a canister like a submarine so it will pop up and then the rockets ignite and then it goes on. that s the most important thing they re looking at now as well as connecting a weapons system to the missile which they have not done yet. i would guess my guess would be this was a short-range ballistic missile they fired out at sinpo. we do know this was the same area they launched the last one that scud missile of some sort from the submarine zone there on the port city of sinpo. thank you so much for that analysis. everyone stay with me. we need to squeeze in another break. much more on our breaking news. north korea with a failed missile launch just hours before vice president mike pence is due to arrive in south korea. we will go live to mar-a-lago where the president has been briefed and also to china, a country with enormous influence on north korea. we ll have much more on this day ahead. if you have tingling, numbness, or muscle weakness. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily .and it may take longer than usual for bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots. plus had less major bleeding. both made eliquis the right treatment for me. ask your doctor if switching to eliquis is right for you. it has long been called storm of tiny bubbles, the champagne of beers. if you ve got the time welcome to the high life. we ve got the beer miller beer to suzanne who is in florida with the president. we ve learned the vice president was also briefed before he lands in south korea. what more can you tell us? reporter: we are getting a report from a senior administration official aboard air force two traveling with the vice president on his way to seoul, south korea. i want to read you what we have at this moment here that the vice president, mike pence, briefed on what the vice president s office called a failed missile launch from north korea, that pence was in contact with president trump, and that this was relaid to recorders aboard the plane, that pence was briefed on the situation in north korea within an hour of his departure from anchorage, alaska. air force two was flying. expected to land, arrive about 3:30 p.m. local time or 2:30 eastern time. we know that when he does land on his agenda, ana, he ll be talking with the acting president of south korea about the situation. as you know the president he briefed and informed. we are expecting a paper statement from the president himself on this. also to let you know had is something that they were preparing for at mar-a-lago, certainly expecting much more. not a failed test but a sixth nuclear test that did not happen but the deputy traveling with the president here in florida who has been briefing him. this is not a nuclear test. officials are saying it s still possible. that could happen at any moment. to beijing. matt rivers is there with us. matt, china, of course, is a key player in all of this. a key ally to north korea. what are chinese officials saying about these developments in north korea? no official response as of yet from beijing but government officials here are very consistent in their positions. what will happen later on today the chinese will come out and ask all relevant sides to refrain from provocative actions. they say they are in clear violation of u.n. security council resolutions levied against north korea in the past. but what the chinese want to happen here is what they re calling a grand bargain. between kim jong-un and donald trump. to create lasting peace would be to go back and so far that has not been the track the trump administration wants to take. they say that china wants to use economic leverage, to get kim jong-un to stop developing the weapons. now president trump tweet this had on thursday. he said i have great confidence that china will properly deal with north korea if they are unable to do so. the u.s. with its allies will. so how is that sentiment being received, matt? when trump tweets, they rarely take the bait. the trump administration has taken a 180 on china when it comes to the way they re reacting where he praised xi jinping profusely and pointed to the fact the chinese stopped importing coal as a sign china is working hard to solve the problem. they stopped importing north korean coal. that s how they bring currency into the country. on the flip side very shortly after that press conference trade data show it was up nearly 40%. they re extending the line in pyongyang. in terms of how the chinese moves forward, they re not willing to cut off pyongyang entirely. is china providing some of the material? well, you have two different ways china is alleged to have been a part. because of that amount of trade they are providing hard currency and they do that in a number of different ways. they make sure they can operate. north korean labor comes over here. there are thousands and thousands of north koreans that work in china every day. they buy things like seafood and other minerals. there is a way china is contributing to this. we appreciate you reporting from beijing. news on the expected u.s. response to this failed launch. you re live in the cnn newsroom. cash back cards make earning bonus cash back so complicated? they limit where you can earn bonus cash back to a few places. .and those places keep changing every few months. the quicksilver card from capital one doesn t do any of that. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. leave complicated behind. what s in your wallet? like @pigskinsusan15, who writes, now my boyfriend wants to talk on sundays. just so many words. your boyfriend s got it bad. maybe think about being single until the start of the season. when this bell rings. .it starts a chain reaction. .that s heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that s the power of and. just me.your me and my four daughters.. there s a lot of dancing and pageants that go on in our kitchens and living rooms and things like that. i ve had to learn to accept certain things like the fact that my toe nails and finger nails are going to be painted constantly. but it s really awesome to watch them at their own things. they re great kids. all of them. whatever home means to you, we ll help you find it. zillow. mar-a-lago. what have you learned? reporter: it is a very brief statement i m going to read to you this is from the secretary of defense coming through in our e-mails saying a statement by secretary of defense jim mattis on a north korea missile test. the president and his military team are aware of north korea s most recent unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. it is as simple as that, ana, very brief. we were told earlier cnn learned by a u.s. official it would be a very understated response, very intentional. not to give attention to north korea and that is the strategy, the tactic of the white house this evening. it has been looking to see whether or not north korea would, in fact, do anything on its national holiday. it was after that holiday this failed missile launch open kurd and the white house has chosen to respond in a very low key manner. they do not want to give any kind of undo attention or credit to north korea. all of this, as you know, as the vice president is on his way to seoul, south korea, to meet with the leader there. ana? we are learning that south korea national security council will meet tomorrow to discuss where they go from here. suzanne malveaux reporting where the president is this evening, very understated response from the u.s. president. acknowledging this missile launch failed and really nothing beyond that. no further comment. i want to you bring in my panel, retired army lieutenant general mark hertling, a fellow, jonathan kristol and former state department official jamie me metzel. it was medium range, officials are kind of on edge and they aren t sure where this is going to go next. they re tracking it with reconnaissance capabilities across the peninsula. you saw the release by pacific command immediately saying they tracked it. it was off the launch pad and then exploded thereafter. they will have aircraft and satellite overhead. they will be tracking from radar to ships at sea and will have intelligence sources watching this and the focus is certainly going to be on sinpo where the missiles are launched from. that s their test facility. that s where the nuclear test could occur, where it s occurred in the past. all of those places are being watched. as you know they have the ships across the sea he, all the patriot missiles are alert in south korea, the carrier task force are ready to shoot anything down that threatens japan or south korea. there is a readiness factor. what i found interesting the statement that suzanne just read came from the secretary of defense and not the president s office. that seemed odd to me. why is that? because the secretary of defense, rightfully so, will not comment on what comes next but if the president was informed you would think the presidential spokesman would say something as opposed to the secretary of defense. that s just the way in the past it s been done. president trump has changed his protocol on this, i assume. jamie, welcome to our conversation as we are continuing to dissect and figure out what s going to happen in north korea especially how the u.s. might respond. what do you make of this response. let me read it to you one more time. the president and his military team are aware of north korea s most recent unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. the statement coming from the defense secretary james mattis. it s very interesting. president trump put a lot of fre pressure on the north koreans and the chinese put pressure on the north koreans. the north koreans had three options. it was the goldilocks options. they could go big, a nuclear test. this he could go middle which would be some kind of pre-icbm or something moving to the development of an icbm. and then they could do the minimal, the smallest. if north korea, this was all of this hype and pressure and north korea didn t do anything, then on monday everybody would be saying president trump won. he put all of this frepressure the north koreans and they are very rational actors. this was as little as they could do to not create a bigger crisis. and yet trump is so unpredictable. you ve written about this maneuvering between kim jong-un versus president trump, two people who both are somewhat unpredictable. how do you see this maneuvering taking shape as we get this statement. i think that as jamie was saying, kim jong-un has proven to be a rational actor and these continued tests also make sense. they are not random. they come at times of anniversaries and political events in the region such as trump meeting. and the japanese prorm was here. and they want to see what they can get away with. i would actually say that in some ways kim jong-un is behaving as a more traditional leader than trump is. well, that s interesting. that is not a value judgment, obviously i m not i do not favor kim jong-un in this, but he is limit testing and seeing what he can get away with because he has this new president who has said, you know, options one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten are on the table. he s not going to tell anybody. does that scare you a little bit, that unpredictability and that now kind of silence about what could come next? it makes me a little bit nervous but, you know, the actual guidance that he asked for from the pentagon which was just released i think within the last 24 hours basically says watch closely and wait. containment is not a radical difference from any of the policies of the past. and if trump devers to the defense department and to the experts on this i could breathe a little bit easier. but if he leaves it to himself and thinks that kim is some like young kid who doesn t know what he s doing and is going bonkers, that would make me very nervous. and one thing that kim is actually calling president trump s bluff because the question for the north koreans is how much pressure are the chinese ultimately going to put on pyongyang? and the north koreans are betting there s a limit to how far china will go because, still, china values north korea as whatever it is, and there s no love lost between them. china would rather have even a hostile nuclear armed north korea on its border than a reunified north korea potentially to the united states. president trump has real limitations to what he can do and kim is calling that bluff in a very smart and strategic way. stay with me. we have to squeeze in a quick break. we have been continuing to follow this news out of north kor korea. a missile that failed. it failed almost right after in the city of sinpo. a military parade, on a major holiday there celebrating the birth of the founding father in which they displayed all kinds of missiles or at least mock-ups of missiles including what they say is an intercontinental ballistic missile. we ll continue to follow this and be right back with more information. it s league night!? 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the biggest thing is to reassure the south koreans the united states south core can alliance is strong. they recently impeached their president. they re a month away from their elections and how the u.s. is handling north korea is a critical issue in those elections. this is a very, very complicated environment that vice president pence is stepping into. do you think it was odd that the president of the u.s. department come out and issue a statement himself? it was odd but everything is odd that this president does, and so we re certainly if there is a playbook, it s a different playbook than we ve known or the world has known. and right now yet he hasn t withheld from tweeting. yeah, well, who knows what he was as a matter of fact in the car over here we were looking at his twitter and it was the wrong twitter, like a fake donald trump account talking about who would trust somebody who has a bad haircut. and we were thinking, did president trump really tweet that? we just don t know. in the world there s a level of insecurity about what donald trump could do and so we re seeing a little more caution from north korea. there s much greater level of variability in the world and that is very dangerous. right. jamie metzl and will ripley, thank you. no one s the same without the game of football. like @pigskinsusan15, who writes, now my boyfriend wants to talk on sundays. just so many words. your boyfriend s got it bad. maybe think about being single until the start of the season. there s nothing more than my vacation.me so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation, in case i decide to go from kid-friendly to kid-free. now i can start relaxing even before the vacation begins. your vacation is very important. that s why booking.com makes finding the right hotel for the right price easy. visit booking.com now to find out why we re booking.yeah so we know how to cover almost alanything.ything, even a coupe soup. 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he two national institutions that was part of that so we wouldn t have another world war ii that followed world war i, the two multi-national institutions that were created and staved in fighting off world war iii thus far the two organizations that have done the work in stopping world war iii are nato and the european union. all things considered, forever you factor in military power and economic power and international influence, i think it s fair to say the uk is the strongest and most important cornerstone member of the european union. now, as of today they are starting the process of getting out. it s happening. that alone is profoundly d disstabilizing in lots of way to the uk itself probably our greatest ally on earth. we are also about to have two hugely important elections in other cornerstones of europe. both germany and france are heading towards very very important national elections that will not just determine the immediate short term future of politics in those countries, determine whether or not europe splits apart entirely. the strongest antieuropean candidate in france is mauer ren lapin, the head of a party called the national front founded by her father in the early 1970s. for decades the front national ale has been the fascist party in france. he denies the holocaust, made a career accusing his political opponents eing secret jews. and about muslims being allowed to immigrant to france a position his daughter shares as she campaigns to be president of france now. part of her campaigning to be president of france last week resulted in her taking a detour to the kremlin. a weird day. nobody quite knew where mauer ren lepin had gone for the day and suddenly turned up without warning for this meeting with vladamir putin, one-on-one. the russian government is essentially openly supporting the far right candidacy of her as she runs for president in france. russian banks have made loans of millions of euros during this campaign. today at their press conference on the senate intelligence committee investigation in the trump-russia. and senator burr said there was no doubt russia after interfe interfering in our election was interfering in russia and france. and this fascist candidate in france, it is possible the reason russia likes her so much cause of her domestic politics and so right wing and forgivee ra racist. vladamir putin, i don t know how he thinks. he might see that as a feature not a bug. in st. petersburg, russia will be hosting something called the rush shall international conservative forum and want to promote the establishment of a common constant acting russian european conservative elite group uniting the political and economic call elites in europe. one of these russian conservative forums russia has hosted in 2015 sponsored by a branch of his political party and in st. petersburg. that one attracted american far right racist fringe right characters like jared taylor a prolific su do economic white supremacist. you might remember him from the alt-right gathering in washington, d.c. where everybody did the nazi salute and shouted heil trump. you know, they said it was hail trump. but with the stuff arm it was hard to read their lips and get that sitle subtleties. regardless whether they like the racist part, whether or not he likes that faction, russia likes mauer ren le pen, and one thing they like is if she gets france she will do her damndest to pry france outside as well. russia supports anything pulling apart institutions of the west. russia s overall global strategy is to knock the united states down as many pegs as it can in terms of our global standing. they want to disrupt and divide and hopefully split apart russian alliances institutions that serve as a counterweight in the world and serve as definine ing any sort of democratic liberal values western order. all stinstitutions that support that russia sees them as the enemy. they will do anything to undermine them as best they can and when they have the momentum and advantage they will take it. that russian idea by defeating your adversaries by splitting them up, promoting divisions among them and within them, it seems almost ridiculous to think about it. that strategy extends to us in america in a very specific way. you may have heard about the newly energized current federation of thealifornia paratist movement? there have been low-key low profile california in sur reksus insurrectionsist movements for year, conservative parts of california that say california should split up and the liberal and urban and minority heavy part of the state should be its own thing and the conservative rural white part of california should become a southern idaho thing or something. that kind of thing has existed a long time. what s new in california is the surprisingly slick online organized progressive seaming effort that california as a whole should secede from the united states of america. i m from california, my whole family lives in california. i know lots of people in california who have talked to me half joking or not about how appealing this calexit idea is since donald trump was elected president. the leader of the organization that spearheaded that movement, the leader of yes california, he really does live in russia. he lives in siberia. last september, the yes california guy who conveniently lives in russia, the calexit guy and right ring separatists got invited to moscow for a kremlin funded event called the globalization of russia. look it up. you will signed links to the independent republic of california, with a link. and the calexited founder that the separatists office space is being loaned to him in moscow free of charge. he said he doesn t actually know who owns the office space, privately owned who can tell but nice to have free office space for his california separatist movement he s running from russia. that is a ridiculous story, right? it is a ridiculous idea, cart n cartoonish. but it s real. imagine if your goal was to take the united states down a few g pegs in the esteem of the world in terms of global leadership and the way they looked up to the united states for help or advisor conceivably as exemsplar of democracy and power, imagine if your goal was to hurt all of that, erode all of that, if you had a chance, even a slim chance hilarious cartoonish tiny chance of splitting off from the united states, one of its 50 states on its own terms is the sixth largest economy in the world. you pry california off the united states, california has a bigger economy than france does. it would be nice to pry germany out of the eu. pry france out of the eu. the eu is splitting apart on its own. we ll do what we can to help but let s think big. t theresa may is the british prime minister tasked with managing britain pulling out of the european union she is not the politics credited with the leaving. that goes to nigel, who spearheaded the brexit campaign and he has become famous for his frequent appearances alongside donald trump and trump tower at the white house. o oddly, the day wikileaks held its press conference to crow about the fact they were rele e releasing a devastating document dump experts say essentially exposed the entire cyber arsenal of the cia, on that same day, nigel farraj was at the embassy of ecuador where wikileaks founder jul yan assange lives and gave his press conference that day. a buzzfeed director said he saw him and asked him what he had been doing? he said he couldn t remember what he had been doing inside that building. recently this past week nigel f farage has been in california to promote the effort to california splitting from the united states or at least splitting itself in two. today, the republican and democratic senior members of that senate intelligence committee announced they have 20 people on their list they want to talk to for their investigation of trump and russia. they hinted former security advisor michael flynn and sally yates are among those 20 people. they confirmed his son-in-law will be one of the people they speak to. and on the house side the house investigation may or may not be blowing up. we ll hear more on that from congressman schiff. the senate is going ahead, tomorrow, not something you want to miss if you re interested in this issue. one point about that, the last point i want to make. confirming in no uncertain terms, there is one thing the committee will not be looking at, the question of whether or not the russian attack is over, whether russia is still doing their thing, whether they are in fact collecting their payment from the trump administration now in exchange in their part throwing the election trump s way, that the committee is not going be looking at. it changes the republican platform convention or the way the president refuses to criticize vladamir putin. that s not in the scope of the investigation. i ll leave that up to you guys to report. yes, ma am. yes, ma am, next question. senate intelligence committee will not be looking whether or not this russian attack, russian campaign is over. in terms of what that committee is going to investigate, we all fully expect what the russian attack on our election was. i think our country doesn t necessarily expect but at least hopes that it will look whether russia had help pulling off that attack on our election, whether the trump campaign or any other american confederates helped them in their attack. we hope they will look at that, too, they say they will. they made explicitly clear today they will not look and not even consider questions whether russia s attack on the united states is still under way. whether anybody who might have help them in that attack last year might still be helping them today to get what they want. as richard burr said today, he hopes the press will follow that question. that part is all on us now. congressman adam schiff is here tonight, the former secretary of nato is here tonight. stay with us. 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how much is nato in the crosshairs right now? how much is nato potentially at risk and why? ining us for the interview tonight, the fmer secretary general of nato, former prime minister of denmark and the author most recently of the will to lead america s indispensable role in the global fight for freedom. mr. secretary general, i m ho r honored you took the time to be with us tonight. thank you for your time. you re welcome. thank you. from your five years leading nato, what did you come to understand about russia s posture toward nato? what s their strategy when it comes to nato? their strategy is exactly what you have described. it is to split the western alliance and it is to insure that people have mistrust in democracy. when i am witnessing the debate that esspewed across the atlantic, when i am following the debate here in the states, i think mr. putin has more-or-less achieved his goal. how vulnerable is nato, that alliance to the kind of splits you re talking about. obviously, there are always disagreements and points of contention to the closest of allies. the kinds of divisions and splits and sore subjects he apparently wants to push, how vulnerable is the alliance? he cannot split the nato alliance. of course, it was a matter of concern when candidate trump raised doubts about the american commitment to defending all allies. after he was elected, he has appointed a security team which has reassured allies that the american commitment is unchanged, that s good. and furthermore, he has also provo provoked, i would say a valuable discussion about the european investment both economically and politically in the transatlantic pond. they understand europe that they cannot take the transatlantic pond for granted so now we have to reconsider how can the european country do more. i hear your analysis there but i feel there s an uncomfortable tension in part of it in that you seem to be saying you are reassured by people other than the president in the u.s. government, even if you are still worried about the president himself, in terms of his approach to nato. is that essentially what you mean, that you fistill have concerns about him but not about his team? there will be a nato summit on the 25th of may. i would expect a clear signal from that summit where president trump will participate, that the american commitment to the alliance is unchanged but also that the european allies will contribute much more. when we listened to vice president pence, secretary of defense mattis and secretary of state tillerson, they have reassured the european allies about an unchanged american commitment. as britain breaks off from the eu in a process that starts today, a lot of people are foretelling the break up of europe in a bigger way, people are looking forward to elections happening in other cornerstone eu countries. do you feel like those fea are overblown? the centrifical force we see operating on alliances like the eu if not nato itself, those things are as strong as we are worried about? i have no doubts president putin opened a bottle of champagne after he learned about the brexit vote because it s in his interests to weaken the west on alliance. however, now, we have to listen to the will of the british people and get the best out of the divorce negotiations. i have no doubt the uk will now feel even more committed to nato an contribute even more to european security. anders fogh rasmussen. former danish prime minister, former nato secretary general, thank you. thank you. we have another big interview tonight. congressman adam schiff joins us, lots ahead. stay with us. my business was built with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that s why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. which adds fuel to my bottom line. what s in your wallet? 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who went bzz so he could open the gate? who cleared devin nunes to enter the white house grounds last tut night? that last tuesday night. that is an answerering question the white house should be able to answer. monday this week, two days ago, the courthouse promiswhite hous would work on getting that information. they have not provided the information and reporters are starting to get ancy about it. do you have any information to live up to the commitment you made on monday to provide more detail how that happened in a process you just told us yet again is above board and totally appropriate? i don t have anything on that for you at this time. have you looked into it? i have asked preliminary questions and have not gotten answers yet. no, i don t have anything further on that. sean spicer not saying who let the intelligence chairman onto the white house grounds that night. that information is probably easy to find. you can t check white house visitor logs online the one ofs we got used to being posted by the obama administration and those have been offline since president trump took office. but the white house does presumably keep a log. they know internally. michael isikoff says sta staffers are speculating documents may have been handed to devin nunes by a lawyer named michael ellis that previously worked for nunes on the committee and hired this month to work. and until we get the simple answer to a question like that the house intelligence committee investigation will remain basically on ice. still no date for this week s hearing supposed to feature testimony from acting attorney general sally yates and probably be no hearings at all until at least after the easter break. time to start getting ready for easter now, you guys. as of today, all nine members of the democratic committee have called on him tory cuse himself from the investigation. it is temperamenting it is dead and everybody should pivot away from it and instead arrerest th hopes on the senate investigation. one person i m sure who doesn t believe that, congressman schiff. thank you for joining us. appreciate you being here. good to be here. what can you do updating us on the status of your committee, the question everybody has on their mind whether or not this investigation is still live in the house of representatives? here s the situation and you certainly introduced interest the right way, we can t have a credible investigation if one of the members let alone the chairman is freelancing and can t have an investigation where the chair goes to look at evidence and basically says, i alone can see this evidence and i will only share it with the president. not as if this is just keeping democrats out of the loop, that would be one thing but none of the committee members have seen this, none of us, democrats or republicans know exactly who he met with or what he saw, we only have his representation. you just can t conduct an investigation that way. we certainly want to get back to the business of serious investigation. we have never stopped our work, not through this, but we re not going to stop our work. i do think it s important, as i said all along, this credibility being conducted in a nonpartisan way. now, i think we have this cloud over the investigation in the sense many people have raised questions is the chair truly impartial? is there some distance between the chair and the white house? until those questions are cleared up i don t know how much credibility our investigation is going to have. from a pure numbers perspective, senators burr and warner today said they have about 20 witnesses scheduled for their investigation. they have seven professional sta staffers working on this. can you tell us anything in terms of the house side metrics like that for your committee? sure. we have probably a roughly equivalent number of staff cleared to work on this investigation, so the resources, although very small, frankly, on both sides of the capitol, are about the same being devoted to the investigation. our witness list is probably about the same size as that in the senate. i do think we ought to be making sure we go through all the documents we want and obtain the documents before the witnesses come in. we don t want to have the witnesses jammed on us before we re able to do the preparation for those witness interviews. but it s, i think, very much as you described or the senators described, same witnesses probably for the most part and the same staff resources devoted to it. congressman schiff, one of the terms that happened today was the chairman of your committee you called on to recuse himself in this investigation, he took some shots at you and the other democrats on the committee. if you have just a moment, i d love to get your response from the chairman if you can stick with us one more segment? 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rachel, i think what s going to happen really regardless of whether the chairman recuses himself or doesn t. the investigation is going to go on. it has to go on. the only question is how credible will it be? but democrats are going to continue to work in a very straight forward way. we re going call all the witnesses that we feel are relevant and appropriate. we re going to follow the evidence where it leads. if the majority walls off certain things, we ll be very public about it. i imagine they re going to continue to want to call witnesses and move forward. i do think to get back to a point you raised at the outset, one of the things that the russians have done is they have used financial entanglement in europe to try to exert influence over business people and politicians. that should not be beyond the scope of our investigation. well need to look at this issue as well. and so i don t think we ought to write off anything. some of the witnesses on our list do pertain to. for example, why there was this opposition at the republican convention to an amendment that would have been in support of providing defensive weapons to ukraine. if that changed as a result of anything that ambassador kislyak did or any other coordination, we ought to find out about it. i do disagree with my senate chaian counterpart. i think these are well within the scope, at least of the house investigation. congressman adam schiff, the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. congressman, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. thank you. what he just said there about financial entanglements and that should be part of the investigation, that s really important, and it s news that he said it. stay with us. we ll be right back. with advil, you ll ask what sinus headache? 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anderson, i seriously felt like i could have gotten all that information by reading a newspaper, i did not see any new information coming out of that meeting to me, it felt like a dog and pony show more than anything else. kwhwhy do you think the whit house would do that? it might have to do with his first 100 days in office. but those that kairm there to brief us, came back to the capitol to brief the 400 members of congress and i talked to some of my former colleagues in the house and they said there wasn t anything new in their briefing either. was there not a room big enough at the senate? there s actually not a room at the white house that s big enough for 100 senators, we have that room here in the senate, here in the capitol complex. but they didn t talk about any military action in this briefing. essentially you re saying this was a photo-op or something else to put on a list of accomplishments of the first 100 days. they successfully got 100 people on three busses and tying up traffic in washington, d.c. to get us over there for a briefing. do you think the white house carings more about optics. si wish the white house would actually care more about getting stuff done instead of coming out with rhetoric and tweets, let s come out with some real policy that can actually move forward. for a long time i ve been talking about the need for infrastructure investments, let s talk about that. ted cruz says north korea is one of the most dangerous spots at the moment. the white house is ratcheting up the rhetoric, what happens when north korea does something that they have tested a missile, are we then bound to attack them? i m just very concerned that the white house is ratcheting up rhetoric but has not come to the house or the senate or the members of congress with a real plan on what they would like to do. that s the one place where he seems like he s willing to initiate military action, my concern is that he s moving forward without any real plan and that anything that he does will be much more knee jerk. look, if north korea does anything that will endanger japan or south korea, we have a treaty or alliance with those two nations and of course we will come to their aid, if they try to attack the united states, of course we will come and defend our home land. but i didn t see anything in the briefing today that talked to any real specific plans that the white house had for what they re going to do to get north korea to actually scale down their nuclear capabilities. coming up after a short break, more big news from the white house, the president s tax plan or outline might be a better word, what is in it and what a lot of people are pointing out is not in it. we re keeping them honest next. and then later, president trump says he absolutely wants to break up the 9th circuit court of appeals, and we ll talk about whether that s something the president can actually do, ahead. when you have allergies, it can seem like triggers pop up everywhere. luckily there s powerful, 24-hour, non-drowsy claritin. it provides relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 different allergens. live claritin clear. so i stepped on this machine and got my number, which matched my dr. scholl s custom fit orthotic inserts. so i get immediate relief from my foot pain. my knee pain. find a machine at drscholls.com. mone hundredts thousand times a day, sending oxygen to my muscles. again! so i can lift even the most demanding weight. take care of all your most important parts with centrum. now verified non gmo and gluten free. now which learn he has no intention to. the president has no intention, the president has released plenty of information and i think has given more financial disclosure than anybody else, i think the american population has plenty of information. you can decide for yourself if you have plenty of information, we don t know how the president s bottom line would be affected by this tax plan, and keep in mind, we don t know one really important thing, the price tag, there are cuts and how it would be paid for, bullet points with about 350 words or so. the theory is that it s going to pay for itself by stimulating the economy, there will be new tax revenues, company also hire more workers, that s the idea, that s the cheery. all we got today was the broad details and the cuts. there is real concern about the plan mobile exploding the deficit, which is interesting considering what we heard from then candidate trump during the campaign. we owe $19 trillion as a country, and we re going to knock it down. i will do everything in my power not to touch social security and to bring down our deficits. i m the king of debt, nobody knows debt better than me. i understand debt better than probably anybody. i know about debt than practically anybody, i love debt. i am the king of debt, i love debt, and i love playing with it. i also love reducing debt and i know how to do it better than anybody, it s tricky and it s dangerous and you have to know what you re doing. i have made a fortune by using debt. if things don t work out, i renegotiate the debt. how do you renegotiate the debt? you go back and say, you know what? the economy just crashed, i m going to give you back half. a lot of big pronouncements from the white house, but again, it really was one page bullet points, less than 250 words. we obviously have to wait for more details. but the sort of big picture stuff, i think we can talk about which is in idea that the tax cuts can pay for themselves through economic growth. i know someone s going to bring up ronald reagan, while the truth is the deficit exploded and reagan did raise them in 1983, bush 1 raised them and then bill clinton raised them and so did the deficit. so you have to balance this out, you have to accept the fact that while the economy may be stimulated, you re still going to end one a deficit. does this benefit the people who voted for donald trump? of course it does. i mean the reagan tax cut it s to save taxes, an llc, i mean i have an llc. it may be good for me, but i m not sure there s a lot of coal workers or miners that have llc. it was the reagan-clinton combination that brought down the deficit, that balanced the budget eventually, that caused about 20 years of economic growth. do you really believe these tax cut also pay for themselveses? you have to have the cuts in spending to go with them. therein when ronald reagan s political problem, because the republicans controlled the house, they didn t control the senate for the first few years, but they did control the house which controls the purse strings and that was tip o neill and he wasn t going to go down that path. and in the clinton white house, we got there with balanced budgets. he doubled the federal revenue. but he also ended the cold war, so that bill clinton could reduce defense spending, yes? remember that? that just seems like a stretch to me, i mean we have to accept the fact that his economic plan did lead to a huge deficit, and ultimately taxes had to be raised to pay for that deficit. because democrats would not cut spending. i m not i m not even making this a democrat versus republican, i m just talking about facts that at some point taxes have to be raised, right? is it possible this thing is going to pay for itself? alexis is laughing. i am laughing because i don t want to get in the middle of that conversation. the way i would characterize this in is in two factions, one this is all about stimulant. what they re focused on right now, how do we increase jobs, how do we increase investment and how do we get spending going in the economy? and what we have witnessed since election day, if you look at the dow and the s&p, they have priced in a real pro growth strategy that they have not yet been able to deliver. so what you saw today, particularly around corporate tax rates is how do we stimulate the economy, how do we create jobs, and what they re talking about, just in terms of repatriating, bringing dollars from overseas back to the united states. if you look at companies like microsoft, oracle, they have hundreds of millions of dollars oversea, if you bring a couple of trillion dollars back into the united states that could be dividends that are in your retirement savings and other things. the other part of this is simplification, that s what they talked about today, so to me it s about stimulant and simplification of the code so that we cannot spend 700 billion hours on filing your taxes. it s the first step in the right direction, but i like what they said, they were realists, they said we re not going to get it done by august, if we get it done by the end of the year. so to me, i actually like the way they laid out the plan today. matt? no, i think that it s this is a very good start. i don t think that tax cuts pay for themselves, but i do think that it will generate some revenue, i think that this could stimulate the economy, put people back to work, which was one of donald trump s plans, the potential problem that they re going to have, though, is, you know, the devil s in the details, as you said, but in order to do this through reconciliation, which they want to do, it has to be revenue neutral. you can try to score it dynamically, and we could make an argument that using the curve, these taxes will pay for themselves, but they re going to have to find a way, maybe it s the cbo score, but they re going to have to show that it s revenue neutral, that s not going to be easy to do to get through the senate. how does giving an estate tax break to incredibly wealthy people, at this point it s people who are giving more than $5 million in their estates, how does that help somebody who s they get hired by people who have the money to hire them. poor people don t hire poor people. people who have money hire poor people. so kids who inherit large amounts of money, they don t just sit on that money. there s a moral aspect to this. i mean if your great grandfather built up a farm and this gets passed down and then you are going to lose the farm because of taxes, that s a lot of buckings right there, because that s not fair. we know at the other end what happens. all this money go into the federal government and basically it s divvied up by politicians who hand it out to their buds. it s like crony inch, that s bad. the estate tax actually does, and i don t know what his plan is, i mean if it would affect where the line is for him. but it currently definitely affects people who are not multimillionaires. it does affect people who, i have a friend who inherited a family home and had to sell it because she woucouldn t afford taxes on it. look, our tax system is broken, there s no question, it needs to be looked at and needs to be fixed. there are some good things in this plan, i think the corporate tax hate should be looked at, and the bigger picture has to be considered about the deficit which actually does matter. so, you re saying like, they re going to have to make it revenue neutral or definite neutral or just do what bush did and have them expire. if you know they re going to expire, you re not going to reinvest it in your business. or that gdp is going to go to 3% from 2, that s what they re counting on. the president takes his anger out on the 9th circuit court of appeals, he threatens to break it up. we ll also discuss legal questions with jeffrey toobin and laura coats. get your ancestrydna kit. spit. mail it in. learn about you and the people and places that led to you. go explore your roots. take a walk through the past. meet new relatives. and see how a place and its people are all a part of you. ancestrydna. save 20% through wednesday at ancestrydna.com red line, 20 minute delay. oh, no. 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(drumming resumes) sarah, what did president trump tell you about the future of the 9th circuit? reporter: president trump said that he would consider proposals that are now in congress to break up the ninth circuit court, there are republicans who have been trying to achieve this legislatively for years now, this is not a new idea, this is why i asked him about it. there are republicans who want to carve out a 12th circuit from states who are under the jurisdiction of the 9th. this is what trump called it was judge shopping, he said that the concentration of liberal leaning judges on the 9th circuit creates an atmosphere for politically motivated parties to get their preferred outcome. when president trump said he wanted address the overreach of the 9th circuit, how he views it. this was based on a question you asked particularly about breaking up the 9th circuit, sometimes he ll say, oh, yeah, i m looking into that or did he bring this up on his own? reporter: he s actually mentioned his plan to break up the 9th circuit previously. obvio it s not new that they have scene a lot of their signature policies halted by those judges so it s not surprising that president trump would back a preexisting republican plan to break up the 9th circuit, it s supported by republicans like john mccain and dan sullivan in the senate. the first 100 days obviously are close to wrapping up. did he time pleased with how things were going? how did he seem? i asked him to give himself a grade and he did give himself an a. he stressed that he did get to sign several pieces of legislation, he said that by saturday, he expects that he will have signed 32 bills, and it seems like where a lot of that is coming from is the republicans congressional review at to redo obama era regulations, but once the congressional review act window closes, they won t be able to use that tool anymore after friday and the pace of legislation will likely slow a bit. i want to discuss this now with our cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin and laura coats. the president s proposal to break up the 9th circuit, is this something he can do? he can t do it, congress has to do it. but this is not new, this has been proposed for decades to try and break up the 9th circuit and break what is regarded as a little bit ral bastion in the court of appeals, but that can only be done by congress. congress added an 11th circuit, they split up the 5th, so this is not something that s wildly unprecedented, it s just not something that the congress has decided to do. he s argued that it s basically forum shopping, but in order to change and break up the circuit, it would have to be based on bureaucratic backlog or inefficiency, not on ideological progress of the united states. 18 of its 25 tsangs are appointed bier democrats which obviously are going to perhaps infuriate a republican president. but it s not appropriate to break it up if it s based on ideology as opposed to injustice. president obama did it during a state of the union address, criticizing citizens united. it s about blaming the message versus the messenger, and basically what trump is doing is saying the messenger is the problem. how can someone criticize the judge? i love how everybody s getting the vapor over these judges. these judges are appointed for life, why shouldn t they where criticized? i don t know why donald trump can t criticize them. one thing he has not done is suggested he won t comply, like president andrew jackson did. but these people are important, they re big boys and girls, they can take some criticism, i don t see anything wrong with donald trump criticizing both the message and the messenger. i do, and i think a lot of people have the same perception, when he criticizes them based on their per sechgs of what their nationality will be, when he complained about the judge who may oversee one of his donald trump university cases, judge cure yel, when you re talking about the ciriticism of the messenger itself, when you criticize a judge on nonlegal grounds, on grounds that have nothing to do with their actual mission and job judiciary. demoralizing? are these people so sensitive that they can t take some kroit criticism? part of the judge s ruling was based on things that the trump administration has said about sanctuary cities and we have seen this on the ban from seven countries, the temporary ban, i want to play some quotes that the judge himself cited on this. i don t want to defund anybody, i want to give them the money they need to properly operate as a city or state. if they re going to have sanctuary cities, we re going to have to do that. certainly that would be a weapon. the department of justice would also take all lawful steps to claw back any funds awarded to a jurisdiction that willfully violates 1373. and the president is going to do everything he can within the scope of the executive order to make sure that cities that don t comply with it, counties and other institutionses that don t get federal government funding in compliance with this extra order. is this appropriate for the president to use somethi president judge to do to use things that the president has said- there s a famous supreme court court case where the court said it s okay for congress to say if you want federal highway money you have to raise the drinking age to 21, congress could pass a law about sanctuary cities, that would be permissible. the problem here is that trump did it without congressional authorization. we have to leave it there. up next, there s breaking news from capitol hill on the house intelligence committee s investigation on russia and the trump team. sources say some key decisions were made today by committee members on who they want to speak with, including one big name in the white house, i talked with a committee member, our conversation in a moment. a sneak peek at the new episode of sound tracks, songs that define history that airs tomorrow night here on cnn. i m in a new york state of mind the music and the artist post-9/11 are reflective of what we feel. we played for an audience of police and firemen and rescue workers when they needed a boost. i put a fireman s helmet on the piano, just to help me concentrate, because if i didn t have that, i might have just lost it. this is kind on and an them for new york city, i didn t think of that when i wrote it. the events that transpired the music. the music reminds us that anything the possible. if you have a garden, you know weeds are low-down little scoundrels. with roundup precision gel®, you can finally banish garden weeds without harming precious plants nearby. so draw the line. just give the stick one click, touch the leaves and the gel stays put killing garden weeds to the root with pinpoint precision. draw the line with roundup precision gel®. and be sure to check out roundup® with sure shot wand. another good-for-the-garden product from roundup. for my constipation, i switch laxatives.ed stimulant laxatives make your body go by forcefully stimulating the nerves in your colon. miralax is different. it works with the water in your body to hydrate and soften. unblocking your system naturally. miralax. investigation, intelligence agencies are back sharing documents with the committee, there s no word on whether nunes t -the list of witness for your investigation including michael flynn, carter page, roger stone and jared kushner, are you able to confirm that that is the fact in this case. anderson i can tell you that the documents are relevant ones and have expanded since mike conaway has taken over. the witness list is extensive, can you give us a better idea of exactly what that means, is it ten people, 20 people? it s going to be a long summer in washington, so even during recess weeks, members of the intelligence committee will be reviewing evidence and interviewing witnesses it s very important if we are not conveying to a witness classified information or we are not receiving classified information, i think it should be open, some witnesses will have classified information and that can be done in secret, but i think the american people benefitted when director comey and director rogers came forward, and the more we can do that, the more trust we can engender to the american people. to agree to share documents with your committee, that they were reticent to that do. my experience during the past few years is that intelligence agencies have expected and just through the custom have seen the intelligence committee work together in a bipartisan fashion so this was unusual to see the chairman do what he did, so i think for us to be back on track with a new leader of the investigation, it s probably restored the faith among all and we just want to get back to work and i can say right now that that s the case. how difficult does it make things for your community that there are now four separate investigations into the same issues and a lot of the same witnesses questioning the same documents? no question there are some redundancies, it would have been better if we had a joint house-senate investigation, but that was a decision that speaker ryan and mcconnell made. to debunk a lot of the myths out there is to have an independent commission and i m pursuing a separate track. we all saw the drama obviously with nunes and kind of the trips to the white house, do you believe your committee s investigation is back on track? yes, and i also have a lot of faith in mike conaway from texas, i take him at his word and have seen him at work and i think he just wants to follow the evidence and we all have an interest in finding out what happened, you know, getting to the bottom as to whether any u.s. persons were involved, that s something very important to both sides and then making recommendations so that no country, russia or otherwise is able to pull this off again. we saw this first open hearing that you all had, it was a tale of two committees, republicans asking questions about leaks and democrats asking about russia, do you still see that sort of division? what we have a response to just follow the evidence. and so the democratic side, we wanted to point out the deep personal, political and financial ties with trump and his team that at the time were interfering with our investigation. we too want to pursue anyone who violated the law if there were leaked violations, but that s not as important as our sovereignty being violated an us doing nothing about it. and michael flynn in terms of getting him to testify is an offer of immunity, is that a possibility? i m not familiar with one and unless he were to proffer to us why we should do that, in other words what he could offer that we could not otherwise obtain, i don t think that would be a good idea. appreciate your time, thanks. just ahead tonight, retired coal miners who were promised health care benefit for life are just days away from actually losing coverage. tonight they re waiting to see if president trump who they helped elect will have that back. and i became diagnosed with hodgkin s lymphoma .that diagnosis was tough. i had to put my trust in somebody. when i first met steve, we recommended chemotherapy, and then we did high dose therapy and then autologous stem cell transplant. unfortunately, he went on to have progressive disease i thought that he would be a good candidate for immune therapy. it s an intravenous medicine that is going to make his immune system evade the tumor. with chemotherapy, i felt rough, fatigue, nauseous. and with immune therapy we ve had such a positive result. i m back to working hard. i ve honestly never felt this great. i believe the future of immunotherapy at ctca is very bright. the evolution of cancer care is here. learn more at cancercenter.com appointments available now. it s time for you and your boys to get out of town. (laughing) left foot. right foot. left foot. stop. twitch your eyes so they think you re crazy. if you walk the walk you talk the talk. it s what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance you switch to geico. hide the eyes. it s what you do. show em real slow. for those miners, get ready because you re going to be working your asses offer, all right? tonight, 20,000 retired coal miners are on edge with their health care set to expire just days from now. now say they need president trump to go to bat for them like he said. a promise made, a promise broken so far. reporter: broken because now retired miners are just stays away from losing their health care benefits and president trump who promised to take care of them has remained silent on the issue. donald trump has said that he would work to protect the miners. do you feel as though the president has your back? no. absolutely not. reporter: retired meaners like joe reynolds and the others say they agreed to work in these mines partly because they were told they would get health care for life, but those government funded benefit also run out at the end of this month for 20,000 retired miners unless congress acts. one option, the miners protection act, would secure lifelong health benefits and pension. last year congress voted to extend health benefits only for four months. back in 1946, might have beners with the federal government. it s also called the promise. miners agreed to work in the mines at least 20 years and in exchange, the federal government promised to provide pension and health care benefits to the miners and they families for live. from the cradle to the grave is what the phrase was that they promised for our health care and our pension benefits. the fund for health benefits dried up over the years as coal mining companies filed for bankruptcy and stopped paying into it. what we need as mine workers is a permanent fix, and now we re at the short end of the fuse, time is running out. donald, if you re listening, i believe you were being sincere when you made a statement you were for the miners. reporter: we shared the complaints with the white house which told us they are working with congress to address this matter. adding, it s the subject of sensitive ongoing negotiations. how much will you have to struggle if you lose your benefits? i have health issues. in fact, i have crohn s disease and other maintenance things that i need. and my drug cost would be more than what i bring in a month now. if i lose my health benefits, i m hurting. i m one hospital stay away from if i have no insurance, from losing a home or wondering where my next meal is coming from. or worried about my loved ones, how i m going to take care of them. and i feel like i have worked hard for this. they promised me this. reporter: all of the miners have health issues. to a person say they can t afford private insurance if their benefits dry up. some miners have said, this feels like a slap in the face, that nathey re not being taken care of. absolutely. it s sticking a dagger in you. reporter: still, critics argue if congress bails out coal miners, then congress will have to bail out everyone else facing the loss of benefits like truckers. so be it says this group. that promise was in the contract that was made that we were supplying the coal that powered this country. and fuelled this country and through wars and everything else that a lot of us served in. reporter: a promise for life that s turned into a lot less. the money for these benefits would come from a fund that s already been established to clean up abandoned mines. i should point out that there is a competing bill on the floor. although, that does not shore up life long pension benefits, only health benefits. we know the miners want both. it s going to be interesting to see how this plays out in washington. the senator from west virginia is a democrat. he has been pushing for years now to get this fixed. he wants them to have the life long health benefits and life long pension benefits. he has a good relationship with the president who has remained silent on this issue. we re going to be watching that drama and see how it all plays out in washington. the clock, of course, is ticking. it s coming down to the wire for these miners. we will follow it. the trump presidency barrelling towards day 100. score card coming up. day mark back in october. his campaign released donald trump s contract with the american voter, a 100 day action plan to make america great again. back then mr. trump seemed to exbrae embrace the 100 day deadline. now he calls it a ridiculous standard. let me read that for you. no matter how much i accomplished during the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, and it has been a lot, including sc media will kill. like it or not, the mile marker is three days away. tom foreman tonight reports on where things stand. reporter: almost 100 days of promises colliding with political reality started with a staggering loss. on my first day, i m going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace repeal and replace repeal and replace that horror show called obamacare. reporter: that pledge brought applause on the campaign but calamity in office. the president s party even with control of congress found itself bitterly divided. some saying his plan went too far, some not far enough. his first attempt at major legislation was yanked without a vote. i will not sugarcoat this. this is a disappointing day for us. reporter: despite talk about a pledge to build a border wall and have mexico pay for it the wall gets built. reporter: there s no progress on that either. true, this president has signed more legislation than any of the previous five presidents in the same period. much of it erasing obama era regulations. but none of it produced the public impact typical of major laws. for that, he has turned to executive actions, signing more than any other president in the first 100 days since harry truman. quickly wiping out the trade deal known as the transpacific partnership. we just officially terminated tpp. reporter: his most incendiary idea, banning travel from several majority muslim nations, has stalled in the courts over the administration s protests. protecting the nation from foreign terrorist entry into the united states is a vital measure for strengthening our national security. reporter: the legal branch is where president trump has scored his biggest victory. we have to replace judge scalia with a conservative great judge. i neil gorsuch reporter: despite opposition, neil gorsuch was approved and seated on the supreme court. and i got it done in the first 100 days. that s even nice. reporter: this president has tried to move forward at a break neck pace. perhaps many of his promised will yet come to pass. but faced with the string of protests and a plummeting approval rating, his first 100 days, as he himself has hinted, have turned out to be much more complicated than expected.
on the way with more rain in the extreme weather center. and the rain continues this saturday here in washington. hope it s a little drier where you are at home. i m leland vittert. elizabeth: great to be with you, i m elizabeth prann. voters in france will have a runoff that will have a global impact. one campaign trying to deal with fallout after claims it was the victim of a massive and coordinated hacking attack designed to destabilize the election. the french are about in a 48 hour blackout period before the vote takes place. greg palkot is in paris, france with the latest. hi, greg. hi, elizabeth. taking a page out of the u.s. election playbook, the leader here in this presidential elections here in france has been hit by a massive cyber attack. thousands of e-mails and documents seized have the computers of campaign safer of emmanuel macron, they were posted online. while moist of the material is kind of mundane, it is combined according to authorities today, with fake news items meant to try to sway the election. no one is assuming responsibility for this, but pro russian and right wing websites have been allegedly in the mix and they re looking at those possibilities. so far no sign that all of this is impacting the leader macron. he is a centrist, an independent, reformer, pro european union and he has at least a 20% lead over far right p populous candidate marine le pen. there s a ban here on all activities and the authorities are trying to keep a lid on the development. le pen campaign manager did tweet a provocative question, suggesting that perhaps these leaks might reveal information that journalists have not revealed about their candidate. it is her favorable comment about russia and about vladimir putin that have some thinking that russian hacking connection reminiscent of the alleged russian role in those campaign documents and e-mail leaks from hillary clinton last year. now, woo he spent some time speaking with folks here on the street in paris. they don t seem too concerned about the development. paris is generally liberal. and we ve heard from macron, but in the french heartland there s a lot of support for marine le pen. she s anti-immigrant, anti-european union and is playing well in a lot of quarters. unemployment is high and the economy is sagging. we did, hear, elizabeth, from what they call the neither/nor candidates, people that are not happy with either sigh side. what we re looking at is a historic election, for the first time in modern history there are no major party candidates involved. the candidates of the two main parties here in france were eliminated in the first round of voting and this is the runoff and it s deciding the future of france and as you noted could have a big impact and not just here, but across europe and globally. elizabeth: that s right, historic indeed. greg palkot live. more later in the show. tomorrow we ll be live from 3:00 to 4:00 p.m. with special coverage of the french election, so tune in here as polls close for the results and what it means for here in the u.s. and, of course, president trump. leland: huge impacts on the markets. coming up, president donald trump worked out of washington this weekend from his new jersey golf club. what he calls a big win in his promised repeal and replace obamacare and tweeted last night touting job numbers to put the unemployment rate at levels not seen since 2007. brian is in bedminister with the president behind him at the golf club, good to see you, brian. good to see you, too, leland. for the president it s the first time he visited the club here. some are calling it the summer white house or camp david north, but this really marks the end of what has been a good week for the president and his administration from that i remember perspective. a great jobs report in april, the lowest unemployment in a decade and the repeal and replace of obamacare. the american health care act is the president s first major legislative victory, now the legislation is far from becoming law, it will go to the senate and likely back to the house, but in his weekly address. the president was optimistic touting his latest tax reform and touting that the house health care bill will boost the economy. thursday the house voted to repeal one of the worst job killing laws of all, the house bill is a plan that will save americans from this disaster and replace it with more choices and more freedom for american families. and now, i m calling on the senate to take action. now, getting the senate to take action and pass that bill or a version of it is going to be extremely difficult. it s going to be hard because many republicans in the senate are actually against the current bill as-is. for one, pre-existing conditions. the current bill allows states the option of allowing insurance companies to charge more for pre-existing conditions and others like ohio senators rob portman points to the medicaid cuts, saying millions of lower income americans stand to lose their insurance, thanks to this bill because it would cut obamacare s medicaid expansion. now, in a tweet though, the president is saying making it very clear that he believes that the media and critics are being too harsh because frankly, obamacare as-is is a bad system. in a tweet, he said, quote, why is it that the fake news rarely reports o-care is on its last legs and insurance companies are fleeing for their lives? it s dead. earlier today, former trump advisor corey lewandowski was on fox and friends and spoke how the president plants plans on continuing his hands-on approach and continuing things like tax reform, infrastructure, and this health care bill. he s going to get all three done and what that means is he s going to be working the phones, meeting with individuals, i m sure, in the u.s. senate to get a piece of legislation done. now, as for when the president expects this bill to be done, there is no timetable, the white house says, but they do expect some changes to the bill, although they say the main pillars they expect to stay there, leland. leland: the debate will continue as will the president s work. bryan live in new jersey, thanks, bryan. elizabeth: now those who voted must make the sell to their constituen constituents. and francis rooney, who voted for the american health care act. thank you for joining us today. thank you for having me on. elizabeth: two of your peers from the other side of florida on the east coast, made it fairly public that it was a game time decision. was this a game time decision for you? no, it wasn t. i saw this thing early on as the best possible opportunity to replace a top-down government mandate system for something that allowed choice and tried to make the free markets work. elizabeth: now, we want to talk about the sunshine state in particular. there s hundreds of thousands of folks who have preexisting conditions, there s an elderly population to a lot of the voters in florida. how are you going to sell this going forward? there are a lot of people worried that they may lose coverage, not only with pre-existing conditions, but also with medicaid. well, i ve been selling it. the fact of matter is ahca does not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. the recent amendment does allow an opt out waiver for states, but if they do they have t.o. their own high risk fun to covered subsidized people who have expensive medical conditions or stay in the federal one, the $130 billion dollar one. i don t understand why the media keeps saying this kind of stuff. elizabeth: well, there was a voter, and i believe she was in fort meyers depending where she lives may or may not be in your district and she had said, quote, i m scared to death about what s happening. they re going to price me out of the market and may get to the point where i have to decide about keeping my house or having my health insurance. it s not necessarily that they re not going to be covered, but people with preexisting conditions who aren t going to afford coverage. if you get the high risk pools, earmarked, i believe $130 billion earmarked for folks in these high risk pools. critics say that s just simply not enough. well, i don t know where ne get that. i think it s a lot of money to cover these high risk pools and i think the fact that the high risk people will be taken out of the general underwriting base should allow premiums to go down. elizabeth: you re giving voters assurances if they re in the high risk pools they will be able to obtain coverage and i sort of want to get to my next question, which is medicaid. if the people on medicaid, sometimes they get off or on medicaid. if they disenroll or unenroll from medicaid and want coverage back on they re going to have to pay a penalty under the new law. are they going to be able to afford that? you know, florida is a state that has a very efficient well-run state government and eif isht well-run medicaid program, did not take the obama expansion money and is going to benefit from this stability fund that s going to help the states equallize during the four or five-year phasedown of expansion in other states. those other state governors are going to have to figure out how to operate as efficiently has a state like florida as medicaid easy money is retired the next few years. elizabeth: okay. my last question, a little bit looking forward, and i want to get to it before i let you go. one fellow lawmaker in florida could be at risk in 2018, carlos ka b cabelo. could you worry you re going to lose the republican majority. but we haven t seen that cbo score yet and we don t know how it s going to pan out. are you at all concerned? we haven t seen the cbo score and like to make a point, the original score was wholly defective. based on a static model that whole 24 million loss coverage is a myth and hopefully they re going to get a realistic score this time. no, i ve been selling this thing and explaining to people, giving out handouts of the key bullet points and i think it s the best option we ll see. elizabeth: thank you for joining us and we appreciate your time and see how the future pans out. leland has the other side. leland: indeed, every democrat in the house voted against ahca as did 20 republicans. among them congressman andy biggs of arizona and joins us from the great city of tucson with the camel back in the background. good to see you, sir. thank you for having me. leland: the question for you, it s pretty simple. where does the gentleman from florida and for that matter, the president that says this is going to save us from obamacare, have it wrong? simply put, let s just decide, did we repeal obamacare? and the answer of course is no. because if you did, what are the states going to be asking to be let out of? they re going to have to petition of federal government and say, please let us out, let us out of what? out of obamacare because we didn t repeal obamacare and that s the bottom line. what was actually done the president, the republican leadership and all the way down to the congressman from florida will tell you, hey, look, this was the best we could do, is that true? oh, that s a big difference between saying look, we have problems. cause if that s the best we could do, and they the people are acknowledging, hey, the senate is it going to change this things, we don t know how bad it s going to change it. why didn t we repeal it with the same kind of bills that we did in the congress for years before i ever even got there? if we would have why don t you think that republicans did that? why not just repeal and then come back later and replace? is it the political cost or something else going on? well, i can t attribute any motives, but all i know is i m bewildered by that. i mean, i signed on to a bill co-sponsor a bill to actually repeal this and i was told to be disingenuous to pass a full repeal out of the house even though we ve done it for five times before and then send it to the senate if the senate know might not pass it. isn t that what we just did? they just passed a bill and claiming it s repeal and sending it to the senate and knowing it will be change. how is that less ingenuous, than saying let s do our job and keep our promise and send it to the senate. it doesn t make sentence to me. leland: well, i appreciate your candor when it comes that. let me turn this just a little bit in terms of what was going on up on capitol hill. how much pressure were you under from the white house, from paul ryan, from others to vote yes? well, i got squeezed pretty hard, as you might guess. i think i lost five or ten pounds as i was getting squeezed. [laughter]. but the reality is i did talk to the white house, the president and vice-president and i tell you, they were very gracious. leland: no threats of being primary or don t vote for this there will ee ewillen there will be consequences. i heard more from colleagues. but i had colleagues telling me they respected my vote and a lot asked me why and i ve got an hour and a half worth of reasons why not to vote for this, but as i would go through they would, generally, they would say, hey, i know you ve thought about it, you ve done your homework, this is a principle vote and we respect you for that. i got it from both sides. leland: it s clear in our conversation this is not without a lot of contemplation on your part. i want your thought on something the president said this week and follow it up with a tweet. first the sound bite. i shouldn t say this, too, our great gentleman and my friend in australia, because you have better health care than we did. we re going to have great elk had soon. leland: the president followed it up with this tweet, doubling down. of course the australians have better health care than we do, everybody does. obamacare is dead, but our health care will soon be grit. arizona s got some of the best medical care in the world, and i would suspect you d agree with me when you think there s a lot of australians who if they have the money and are really sick come to america for health care. there s not a lot of americans who head down to australia for health care. where do you think the president has gone wrong on this? well, i don t think he was really providing a commentary necessarily on american health care so much he was making a commentary on obamacare. that s the way i took it. and saying obamacare is in a death spiral, which it is. and that s the reason would be bewildered. we ve basically enshrined the features of obamacare. we ve taken a step. and it s difficult to walk back from and we haven t really we didn t keep our promises and the we have no idea if we re really going to be reducing the premiums by any appreciatable amount. leland: i want to button this up. i respect your candor, i really do, to come on television and say we didn t keep our promises. don t you worry that this clip is going to be in a campaign ad come 2018? well, no, i m not. i didn t run this time to beat to run for reelection in 2018. i came this time to represent my constituents and my constituents largely understand what we re saying. when we start peeling this this back, they say, andy, you re right. we were going to repeal it. we re repositioning it, that s what happened. leland: mr. biggs came to washington and we appreciate your candor back there in arizona. come visit us soon. thanks. leland: all the buzz. come to fox news for a media buzz. howard kirtz talks about former trump cane manager corey lewandowski and health care will be a big topic in this conversation. and white house reince priebus bus talking about what s next for president trump as the health care bill heads to the senate. no doubt it s a tough ride to the senate. the chief of staff on what the president can do to get it through. check your local listings for time and channel, fox news sunday tomorrow. elizabeth: this is a fox news alert. the pentagon as identified the navy seal killed friday tighting the terror group al-shabaab in somalia. kyle milligan. he was killed during an operation against al-shabaab 40 miles west of mogadishu. a rear admiral says that he embodied the quote, warrior spirit and toughness induced in our best navy seals. he s irreplaceable as a father, a husband, a son, a friend and a teammate. very sad news to report today. millions of music fans are sending prayers and well wishes to country music legend loretta lynn after learning she suffered a stroke on thursday. the latest on her condition coming up. plus, as the senate gets ready for more hearings on russian election meddling. russian election meddling next week, knew details on trump campaign warnings to general michael flynn about his russian contacts. and downstream communities preparing for the very worst as the mighty mississippi river sets to crest this weekend in some major midwestern cities along its banks. adam is monitoring it all from the fox extreme weather center. yes, i am. at least we re clearing off and but that water is rising. i ll have the details coming up in my full forecast after the break. of the billboard music awards just by using your voice. the billboard music awards. sunday, may 21st eight seven central only on abc. music legend loretta lynn is recouperating from a stroke. the singer and songwriter is responsive and expect today make a full recovery. lynn s scheduled concerts have been postponed and her singer, crystal gayle put out a statement saying, she s strong woman and we appreciate your love, and support and we play for a speedy recovery. elizabeth: this is a fox news weather alert. the mississippi and missouri rivers are set to crest today after heavy rains pounded the region causing deadly floods that claimed at least ten lives. the storms caused massive devastation and headaches across the midwest and interstates and homes. the same storm systems hit new york city causing some major chaos for computers. so, there was water everywhere and in the homes and roofs are leaking. it was above the bottom edge of the door. cause now, my whole car has got about five inches of standing water in it, so, it must have been it was even higher, too, before. elizabeth: wow, for the latest, we bring in adam at the extreme weather center. what do you have for us? this was a big storm. the good news for folks in the midwest, that has moved off and we re seeing the rivers continuing to rise. it takes a couple of days for that rain to ultimately work its way down. wabash down to the mississippi and st. louis. all of those in green are flood watches, because, yeah, that water pours into the rivers. as i said it s drying off so looking at the exact raegs, we re not talking about additional rainfall, it did shift off to the northeast to the mid atlantic. the heavy rain that new york city saw yesterday, that wrapped up and it s replaced with a steady rain lingering over the course of the weekend. the mid atlantic stretching into new england, expect some showers over the course of today, running you eventually all the way through your weekend. the hour by hour forecast will time this out. even though we may not get consistent rain across the northeast and mid atlantic, there are going to be rounds of showers moving through the entire weekend. there is your time stamp through the corner. and taking you through sunday and monday morning and we continue to see at least a couple of showers lingering all the way up into the northeast. how much rain are we talking about? now, yes, there were folks yesterday that saw very big numbers. i m expecting a whole lot more, but pretty widespread from 1/10 of an inch up to one to two inches additional rainfall to what we saw yesterday. down into kentucky i wanted to take note of it. any racing fans out there. a slight chance of seeing a couple of showers, the temperatures on the cool side looking at 59 degrees, but again, folks along the east coast, it s going to be a good idea to keep that umbrella handy. today into sunday and probably even early monday morning before we start to clear off a little bit, guys. elizabeth: all right, adam klotz, thanks, we appreciate it. we ll talk with missouri governor greitens, what he s doing to prepare his residents for what is absolutely going to be a massive cleanup. leland: coming up, president trump s russia problems reignite as the senate committee asks his aides to turn over records. what we could learn this week. and post time six hours away as horses get a once in a lifetime opportunity to run the 143rd kentucky derby. our own janice dean is at churchill downs. it s muddy there. a little more on the hats and the mint juleps, coming up. eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus had less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis had both. don t stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don t take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily. and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. i m still going for my best. and for eliquis. ask your doctor about eliquis. the senate intelligence committee wants a number of high profile trump campaign aides to hand over e-mails and other records of their dealings with russian officials. garrett is joining us now with what we can expect to many could out of this coming week. the head of the senate intelligence committee are now saying that one of those trump aides, carter page has become less cooperative. the committee asked that he provide e-mails, or any, phone calls, between him and russians. and while his legal team is working on gathering that information, it s likely the government already has it all saying in part, any records i may have saved as a private citizen with a limited technology capability will be minuscule in comparison to the full data base of information which has already been collected under the direction of the obama administration. page also said he looks forward to testifying in an open hearing before the committee to put an end to the false allegations of collusion between him and russian officials. separately, there are also new reports that back in november, members of the trump transition team warned former national security advisor michael flynn that any conversations he had with russia s ambassador would likely be picked up by u.s. intelligence agencies. the washington post and associated press citing current and former government officials report those warnings came a whole month before flynn was reportedly discussions sanctions against russia with the ambassador. those discussions which he then misled the vice-president and other white house officials about eventually led to his stepping down. these new warnings we re learning about are in addition to those reportedly shared by former deputy attorney general sally yates and we ll likely hear what the warnings were and what the trump administration knew about flynn s connection with russia before she testifies before the judiciary committee. leland: a lot could come out of that. mr. tenney, thank you. and james carafano with the heritage foundation talks about the new normal in hacking as france becomes the latest target. liz. elizabeth: push back against pa ban flying over designated safe zones. it was hammered out by russia, turkey and iran. to explain the impact against isis and the region, the military analyst jack keane. thank you for joining us. good to see you, liz. elizabeth: the more that we learn about this that went down, representatives from the united states were not involved and learned that the opposition forces were out of that, especially once they learned that really the people calling the shots were russia and iran. so, how did this go forward? well, it will go forward similar to other cease fires. you re right, the united states is not involved, the opposition forces are not involved. we made the right decision in pushing back and not participating in this. the guarantee of the safety of the people in the deescalation zones is iranian. that s totally unacceptable to us. the iranians are the main ground source in syria, not the syria army. so they re the main killing force and in the cease fires and now calling it a deescalation zone, russians reconsolidate and after activity calming down they take advantage of the situations on the ground and start the bombing again and that will be what will play out here. elizabeth: i m curious about the he is escalation involvement and starting seven years ago and how much have they gained from their involvement in this conflict? it s pretty significant. in the actual conflict itself they have replaced the assad regime air power. they are the main air power used every single day. they have been pounding civilian communities since our cruise missile strike in syria every single day and used depenetrative bombs on underground hospitals. they re committing war crimes, the russian air power. what it s done, the countries in the region saw that russia came in and backed up an ally and we failed to back up our allies in the roux eggs particularly after the chemical line was crossed so-called red line. they ve done arms deal as a result of that with every sunni arab ally and a want to build nuclear power plants. that s taken place because of the military intervention. the reason the sunnis are doing this is they want to hedge against the russians and iranians. and that s why president trump let them know we got their pack back and return to the relationship with the leaders of the middle east. elizabeth: sort of set up my next question, we re looking at president trump making a trip over there. what doe accomplish? it seems that russia is getting everything they want especially when it comes to this conflict in syria. they re enthused with this president and he s met with them and spoken to some of the leaders and they re looking forward to the renewal of the relationship. and they ll take a look at isis and see if they can provide help. isis is larger than the caliphate in iraq and it s expanded to 30 countries. some he they have relationships with and some are their countries. eye had iran is a major threat in the middle east. and after the deal that president obama made and they know that the money will be used for that and they ll talk about that. the other interesting thing, he s going to saudi arabia where the holy shrines are that represent islam and that s going to send a message, in this country and in other parts of the world, people have got the perception that he s anti-muslim because of this travel ban. and i don t believe he is. and so many of the administration is not either. and i think that s going to make another statement to the muslim world that the first trip he s making to the middle east is to saudi arabia and also obviously, to israel. elizabeth: fascinating. i only had six more questions, but i m getting the cue in my air. too long. elizabeth: no, i love it. general, that means we have to have you back. good talking to you, liz. elizabeth: we appreciate it very much. leland. leland: when the general does come back, commenting often on tensions between the u.s. and north korea. an election in south korea could shake things up more. we ll tell you why coming up. plus, we ll take a closer look at the french presidential elections and why the far right candidate says don t believe the polls that show her so far behind. stop trying to project me as if i ve been defeated. maybe there s going to be a surprise that will belie opinion polls and this giant steamroller. in any event, we ve changed everything already. take on the mainstream. introducing nissan s new midnight edition. 12 hours from now and while there s a blackout period, pro russian and website are hawking stolen e-mails from the candidates. it s a twist that have an impact on financial markets and our relationship with our oldest ally. james joins us with insights. good to see you, my friend. thank you for having me. leland: you look at this right now, you ve got marine le pen who is way down in the polls, the right wing candidate. you ve got emanumanuel macron, untested politician, young guy under 40, leading by 20 points. ordinarily it wouldn t be a discussion, but you look at brexit, the pollsters got it wrong. the u.s. election, the polls got it wrong. and marine le pen saying it could be in threes. it s not a similar situation. brexit was close in the polls leading up to it. trump was never more than three or four points behind. and marine le pen is 20 points behind, it s highly, highly unlike unlikely. leland: strange things happen. what does it tell us, if nothing else, that we re having this conversation? you re right. if you look the a the trend lines across france and the p poplus parties are more popular. per father only got 18%. his daughter, 15 years later, is probably going to get somewhere on the order of 35 to 40%. so, while she s not going to win tomorrow, if the conditions that give rise to this continue, then, five years from now, ten years from now, she might have a much better shot. leland: i m not going to characterize marine le pen s position on things, i ll leave that to you, suffice to say to a huge part of the population, they are alarming. she s often described as far right which is not accurate. if you look at her economic policies, she is what we in america would consider far left. she wants to keep a 35-hour work week, put up trade barriers, she wants to lower the retirement age drastically. she s in favor of much more state intervention in the economy, and much bigger government spending. so she has a, what we would consider a far left economic plan, which is actually the reason why a lot of people who used to vote for the communist party in france vote now for the national front. it s more on the questions of, you know, ethnic identity and citizenship that we consider her far right and the fact that there are so many neo fascists, frankly and holocaust revisionists and her father among them? yes, and she did kick out her father from the party a couple of years ago. but i think that was largely a cosmetic change. if you look at the attitudes expressed by members of this party, including senior members. the prime minister candidate was forced to retain a couple of weeks ago because he doubted the holocaust and says that the germans never used poison gas in the gas chambers and these are the people she s is your round surrounded herself with. leland: and we ll see, and if it happens see the markets in a tizzy monday morning. thank you. elizabeth: mint juleps, hats and horses, janice dean is in churchill downs where they re gathered for the race. how is it going, janice, you look beautiful, by the way. liz and leland, i have to tell you the most exciting news so far, the sun has come out. it s been raining here 48 hours. that s the great news. we ll talk about derby and the celebrities i was partying with last night when america s news headquarters from d.c. continues after the break. take a look at churchill downs. boost. it s about moving forward, not back. it s looking up, not down. it s being in motion. in body, in spirit, in the now. boost® high protein it s intelligent nutrition with 15 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for when you need a little extra. boost® the number one high protein complete nutritional drink. be up for it i6789. elizabeth: well, today is the 143rd kentucky derby and it looks like the sun is finally coming out for the big race. our own janice dean took a trip to churchill downs to see how things are shaping up. we were talking how our show is so much better because we were able to steal you for the weekend. tell us about the oh down action down there. oh, moo my gosh, this is my first kentucky derby and we were talking about one of the coldest days in kentucky derby. oaks, the racing of the lilies and the fillies on the track, the coldest day in 55 years in louisville and today the sun has come out and people are starting to feel much better than they have over the last 24 hours, i want to thank the person, a company who produced the beautiful hats for me, frank olive by gabriel we ve had beautiful hats. kentucky ser bye is about horses, the mint juleps and the hats. i went to the brown stable gala. i met some celebrities and it was pretty exciting. watch. . and hey, sammy haggar here, i love you guys. this is your first derby. yes. are you excited? yeah, look at me. most exciting two minutes of sports? what do you say to that? i would not question it. i know i m going to be on the edge of my seat as we all are. should be fun! what s up. how many derbies? this is the fourth. the weather, how are you dealing with the weather? hey, i look at it as an opportunity. let s see what horse is going to run. we d love to know what your pick is. i was going to ask you the same thing, because i have no idea. there s a horse from brooklyn and my husband is from brooklyn. and always recommended. brooklyn horse. i m going with that. i ve got my eye, pun intended on the one-eyed horse patch. i love his underdog story. how are you, fox and friends? the first derby? yeah. and i m in love with it, the pageantry, dressing up. do you love coming out here? my first time. you re from this area? yeah, i m from kentucky. how do you pronounce louisville. like louisville, like louisville. like luolville. how do you pronounce louisville. i said louisville. is sing happy birthday? give you a kiss on the cheek. i ll never wash this cheek again. never do. more derby fun later. that was amazing! we watch that over and over again. thank you so much. leland: much more, maybe not another kiss for janice in the next hour of america s news headquarters. where and why the international swimmers took a cold plunge and scary moments for one truck driver when the ground literally fell out from under him. and we ll tell you how he escaped coming up. rescue me . had to talk to my doctor. she said, how long you been holding this in? (laughs) that was my movantik moment. my doctor told me that movantik is specifically designed for oic and can help you go more often. don t take movantik if you have a bowel blockage or a history of them. movantik may cause serious side effects, including symptoms of opioid withdrawal, severe stomach pain and/or diarrhea, and tears in the stomach or intestine. tell your doctor about any side effects and about medicines you take. movantik may interact with them causing side effects. why hold it in? have your movantik moment. talk to your doctor about opioid-induced constipation. if you can t afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. responsible for the brutal sucker punch murder of a father of five in las vegas. leland: voters hit the polls tomorrow in france to decide a presidential election that could change europe and global politics as we know it. but today one campaign is in crisis control after it says it suffered a massive and coordinated hacking attack. greg talcott is live in paris with what s happened. hi, greg. reporter: leland, it sounds like something right out of last year s u.s. elections, but the leader of this campaign, emmanuel macron, has been hit by what his supporters call a massive cyber attack, a data dump. thousands and thousands of e-mails and documents coming from the campaign have been posted online, most of the material according to reports is routine, but combined with what authorities say say is fake news, obviously, aimed at swaying this election. now, no one has assumed responsibility, but the macron camp have complained that there have been russian hacks against its system, and right-wing sites even sites in the united states have been spreading the word about this latest data dump. so far no sign that the candidacy of macron has been affected. he s a sent tryst, he s independent and pro-e.u., pro-nato, he s a reformer x he has something like a 20% or more lead on his far-right populist rival, the anti-immigrant, anti-e.u. candidate, marine le pen. now, there is a campaign ban in effect today that is a ban on all activities, so there hasn t been a lot of comment about this. authorities are trying to keep a lid on it, but the campaign manager for le pen has tweeted a question that perhaps this raises questions about her rival. now, it is le pen s comments about and support coming from vladimir putin and russia that has raised concerns perhaps about a russian role, again, reminiscent of the allegations of russian involvement in the campaign last year including leaks relating to the hillary clinton campaign. now, we spoke with folks here on the street in paris. they don t seem too concerned about this. here in liberal paris, macron gets a lot of support. but in the french heartland hard hit by an economy that has been stagnant for years with up employment 10% unemployment 10% and more, the pitch coming from le pen has played very well. we also did hear from candidates, from citizens here talking about a neither/nor route; that is, abstention. and that could play a big role in tomorrow s vote. finally, leland, this is so important, so historic, france is so key to a lot of things happening near europe and globally especially with the united states in terms of strategic questions that figures into the united states have weighed in. former president obama taped a message of support for macron. president trump in the past has spoken kindly of marine le pen, but in a press conference yesterday the white house says that it will work with whoever wins tomorrow. back to you. leland: yeah. and can t understate the importance of french alliance with the united states either. greg talcott in paris, good to see you, greg. we ll see you a lot tomorrow. let s bring in james carafano of the heritage foundation for some insight. big election, two candidates, one relatively pro-russian, one not. and somehow there s hacking in e-mails. dare we say here we go again? oh, absolutely. the russians were doing this before the american elections, they ll still continue to do it after the american elections. one thing we ve seen that s been incredibly consistent with putin is he has gone back into the old soviet tool kit, and he s taken out those tools, and that includes disinformation and active measures. this is kind of classic soviet-style behavior. leland: the russian name for it, in terms of creating this stuff, it does seem that the french action, if you will, in terms of this latest e-mail dump about macron is kind of ham-handed. this doesn t seem to be nearly as involved as what we saw in the united states. well, you have to remember why the russians do this, why you conduct disinformation and active measure campaigns. it s less about necessarily driving a specific outcome than it is in kind of undermining the legitimacy and creating a bit of chaos. because as long as you re weakening and stressing your opponent and distracting them and you re creating space to operate, that s more important than the specific outlook you get outcome you get. if you go to rush that and say russia and say what are you going to achieve, the answer is, we don t know. if it creates chaos, good. if it doesn t, we do something else. leland: what are you hearing inside russia, to that point? do they view whatever they did in the u.s. elections as a success? well, i do think they saw it as a success from the perspective of look what s going on in the united states. we have a hyper-partisan political environment, it s kept people distracted, it has some people claiming the president is illegitimate, having the administration constantly dealing with these things. for them, even if they don t get a pro-russian president, they ve still kind of tied us up a little, and so for very little investment, that s kind of a cheap win. leland: well, and to that point in terms of being tied up, you think about we now have multiple investigations up on capitol hill into russian meddling, big senate hearing coming up this week. yeah. leland: that going to change anything? no. and this also shows the limits of that. a, they didn t get a pro-russian president. look, i worked on the presidential transition team. there was never anything in the plan that said let s be weak on putin or kind of lame on nato. it just was never in the plan. so they were never going to get a pro-russian president, and they didn t get one, so that got them nothing. and in a sense, even if the united states wanted to do something nice with the russians now, it s going to be very, very difficult. everybody in congress hates them, the administration would be criticized. and, but i think all these, the political kind of trying to demonstrate clues, you don t know what you don t know, obviously, and i don t know everything, but so far nothing has demonstrated anything like collusion, so it hasn t even really slowed the administration down. and in the end, it s actually weakened putin because now they do this stuff so much that people are getting used to it. leland: well, has it weakened him it certainly hasn t weakened him internally. well, it has in the sense that putin is respected when he s strong, and he s pushing people around, and when he s not pushing people around like when somebody sends a 59-cruise missile message to your ally, that does make you look weaker. leland: okay. and so he s antagonized europe so much that he s actually created the pushback that he didn t want. and he is running out of spaces to meddle. so ironically, all this russian meddling is actually not really paying off for the russians. leland: interesting, interesting perspective, james. always good to hear from you. thanks so much. thank you for having me. leland: good to see you. liz? elizabeth: el with, the house well, the house republican bill to repeal and replace obamacare now heads to the senate. many of the same issues that stalled the bill in the lower chamber will be debated again and again in the upper chamber, but the process may take a little bit longer. allison barber has more. hi, allison. reporter: hi, elizabeth. you how remember that supporters of the bill in the house celebrated its passage in a very big way at the rose garden with the president. but that is just the first step in the senate the debate is only beginning. well, the senate will write its own bill. i mean, that s the way it works, right? they ll pass theirs, we ll pass ours, and then we ll go to conference. reporter: the house passed their bill thursday. some on the left like senator tim kaine say for starters they need to say the estimated cost. they rushed through a bill without knowing how many millions of people it would hurt, without knowing how much it would cost, without a protection for people with pre-existing conditions. reporter: and quite a few republicans are looking at it with caution. part of the problem i have is that the underlying premise of obamacare was that the federal government would, for the first time, buy insurance policy for people. that fundamental promise of obamacare is kept. some of the things we re going to have to work on, for example, are the refundable tax credit. we need to make sure that that s sufficient so that low income people can actually buy a policy. we will work together carefully to write our own bill. we will make sure we know what our bill costs. reporter: special budget rules allow the senate to pass health care with just 51 votes, but republicans probably need some help from democrats. republicans have the majority in the senate, but it s not as big as what they have in the house. elizabeth? elizabeth: all right. allison barber reporting live, thank you so much. for more, let s bring in sean noble and blake rutherford who served on hillary clinton s finance team in philadelphia. blake, i think i know what your response is going to be, so i m going to toss this first question to sean. sean, we saw a big celebration in the rose garden this week. jumping the gun a little bit on that? i don t know if it s jumping the gun as much as it s sending a message to the supporters of repealing obamacare that we ve takennen the first step and that this process is now underway. i think they needed to do it because there was some concern from the base that they weren t going to do it. they, you know, they had a false start where they didn t get the votes and they pulled the vote back a couple weeks ago, so i think they wanted to send a message that said, hey, we re serious about this, and we re taking steps to get obamacare repealed. elizabeth: blake, i want to bring you in, because i assume i know your response on this one, but i also want to ask you, you know, make no mistake about it, this is not what we re going to see in the senate. no, we re not going to see anything like this in the senate. i think we can expect the senate will take a paper shredder to the house bill. elizabeth: are they going to make sure they get all the republicans except two or get the democrats involved? mitch mcconnell has not expressed any interest in working with the democrats, so if reconciliation is the way they re going to go, i think they would be smart to revisit their strategy, however, because i think the house bill is so politically toxic already that the senate s distancing itself from it. they re going to have to revisit this entirely. we now have a house in play because, because they took that vote. so i think the senate will have to reconsider that s fundamentally not true. in a much different way. i think sean now will probably have to anytime that it was admit that it was a curious political strategy by the republicans. elizabeth: sean, i wanted to talk about that later, but you brought up 2018 so, sean, i want to let you respond. yeah. i think it s not necessarily curious strategy. the strategy is to use reconciliation to take the first step in repealing obamacare. this isn t going to happen in reconciliation. they re then going to go to regular process to do other reforms that are necessary to completely root this thing out. but this is far from being an election issue at this point. remember, the democrats passed a bill in 2009, in october or november of 2009, and celebrated it. then the senate passed a bill on christmas eve, a draft bill really. and then after they lost the scott brown seat or the ted kennedy seat to scott brown in january of 2010, they went to reconciliation. so we re using reconciliation to unwind what they put in place by reconciliation. so this is far from over, and i don t think it s going to be a bad thing for republicans come election 2018. i think by the time we get there if obamacare has not been repealed and it s still in place, it will have caused so many problems with rising premiums, businesses having to lay people off because of how expensive health care is, there s going to be a clamoring. and i think republicans were smart to start this process. and if they get done by election day, that s going to be better for them. elizabeth: okay, i want to move the conversation a little bit forward because i want to talk about the senate. that s what we re going to be talking about for the next couple of weeks, perhaps even june until we get that omb scoring. there s a dozen lawmakers getting together vying to make this a better law, and i want to talk optics because there s a lot of men in that group, there s a lot of white men. there s two women that are not included, susan collins from maine and lisa murkowski. so i want to toss to you, blake. when we talk about making this law better, do their need to be more voices at the table that we know of right now? oh, absolutely, there need to be more voices at the table. the thought that only 12 white men are going to craft a senate health care bill is preposterous. i mean, we certainly need to include not only women, but minorityies. and the republican party really has to think about the consequences of this house vote as they draft this bill because the house vote not only eliminates the pre-existing condition option, it taxes older americans, and it looks like that while we don t know what it s going to cost, that it s likely to kick some 24-26 million people off their health insurance which is just a wild endeavor while the only true benefit that any republican can talk about is that it gives tax cut to the wealthy. elizabeth: all right, sean if that s the senate plan, then sure, they can stick with this crew of 12 and achieve that same end. i certainly hope that s not the case. elizabeth: sean, i want to give you the last word. we did have representative rooney from south florida who said that initial omb report was completely false, so there are some voices that say we re going to be seeing a much more positive cbo score this go around, but i m going to go ahead and give you the last word. i think that we ll see a better score. i think that this is the beginning of the process. this is far from over. and for the democrats to be spiking the football saying we re going to win the majority over this, it s really premature for that. elizabeth: gentlemen, thank you so much. we ll be sure to have you back, because this debate is not going anywhere. thank you, gentlemen. thank you. elizabeth: for more on the health care debate and trump white house, be sure to tune into fox news tomorrow for an all new media buzz. howard kurtz talks to former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski at 11 a.m. eastern. and white house chief of staff reince priebus joins chris wallace on fox news sunday to weigh in on the next steps for the administration. check your local listings for time and channel. leland: not the news anybody wants to hear. more rain is on the way to the midwest. an area already dealing with flooding and extreme devastationing, the weather devastation, the weather has killed ten, and it is not over. meteorologist adam klotz with how bad it will get for folks up and down the mississippi: hi, adam. the biggest story as we continue on with this is just the rising water levels. so even though, yes, more rain on the way, the heaviest rain moved on out, but the water levels continue to rise. and that s the issue. areas across the midwest each one of these is under a flood watch, portions of indiana running down to the ohio river, eventually the mississippi, all cresting today and that s going to be a real problem for folks who live right along that waterway. we did see showers move on through the area just within the last couple of hours. this cell getting into portions of kentucky, now down over towards the tennessee area, eastern tennessee. as this moves off to the east, that s good news, it clears off on the back side. but this is a large system and all areas where we re going to see off and on showers. this isn t really heavy rain today, but it s just that rain that s going to linger. it s going to be cloudy, a little bit of a raw day for folks across the area. here s what it looks like on your future radar. this system continuing to slowly lift up to the north and east and not an all-day or consistent rain but off and on showers running into your sunday, eventually running into monday morning by the time this finally clears off and perhaps we see a little bit more sun shine. how much rain am i talking about? here s your forecast and precipitation. these aren t big numbers, anywhere from a couple tenths of an inch up to an inch or two inches. so it s just one of those weekends where it s a good idea, leland, probably keep that umbrella handy, but i m not expecting a lot more rainfall accumulation, not anything like we ve seen in the last week or so. leland: as you point out, the qume la cumulative effect in places like missouri is devastating. yeah, we re seeing it today. leland: adam, thank you. still ahead, we ll speak to the missouri governor on how he s planning to move forward after the severe storms. there s a drive there to get clean-up supplies to those who need it most. that s coming up later in the hour. elizabeth: coming up, one texas police officer turning himself in facing murder charges over the death of a 15-year-old boy. plus, we ll put aside the politics and break down just what is in the new health care bill known as trumpcare. and a photo finish. a dozen athletes from across one of the world s most famous borders in a stunt they say is just for one reason. it s not a protest. it s not a political statement. this is purely for human rights and casting a pot light on human suffering spotlight on human suffering and that every life is valuable. that s what this is about. that fresh air all up in your face. my cousin wilbur in the city has to wear a leash just to go for a stroll. i m sorry, that.no. but with propane, you can live where you want and how you want. and since it s both clean and reliable, you could say propane is man s best fuel. she knows what i m talkin about ykeep you sidelined.ng that s why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing. .what you love. ensure. always be you. my insurance rates are but dad, you ve got. .allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won t go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. it s good to be in, good hands. saw a car filled with five black teenagers leaving the property. originally, the police chief said the car was aggressively driving in reverse towards the officers, and that s why oliver fired, but after reviewing body camera video, the chief said the car was actually driving away from the officers when oliver was shot or when oliver shot edwards. oliver was fired tuesday, and the edwards family attorney is celebrating the murder charge. i honestly began to cry because i just did not believe that things could actually work the way that they re supposed to work. and so it was a very emotional moment for me. reporter: and oliver isn t the only officer making national headlines this week. on tuesday former south carolina police officer michael flager pleaded guilty after shooting an unarmed black man in the back after a traffic stop to. and then on wednesday, the doj declined to charge officers in the death offalton sterling, the louisiana of altonster sterling. liz. elizabeth: will carr, thank you so much. leland? leland: these folks are certainly dedicated as they took the plunge to show support, they say. a group of people swam across the border yesterday to show their support for immigrant and human rights. swimmers from the united states, mexico, israel and south africa were among the 12 athletes to make the swim in the pacific ocean from imperial beach, california, to tijuana. if you re counting, that is 6.2 miles. how do you carry your passport when you re swimming? elizabeth: maybe you get a waterproof case. leland: yeah. that guy s happy. elizabeth: all right. coming up after the break, a father of five killed in a random act of violence in las vegas. and the gop bill to repeal and replace obamacare is on its way to the senate. but what s in it? we re going to break through the partisan spin and get down to some facts for you coming up next. i think most importantly, yes, premiums will be coming down. yes, deductibles will be coming down. but very importantly, it s a great plan. heads to the senate where senate members say there are a lot of changes to come. a white house reporter at the wall street journal joins us now. nice to see you, louise. big picture here, you do get a sense this is going to be a lot hardener the senate than it was in harder in the senate than it was in the house. certainly, the margin of error is even slimmer. you can t afford to lose more than two senators in the gop caucus. there are at least three gop senators on both sides of the party spectrum who have said they want things that are irreconcilably different from what the other side wants. leland: senators re, cruz and rand paul who basically said not a chance. right. rand paul kind of out there on his own, so everybody has to figure out what s up with the three of them. leland: how much political capital does the white house really have to spend on this, or did they spend it all on the house? they certainly say they re going to be very engaged with the senate. they say people say they didn t think they could get it done in the house, they think they can apply the same sort of magic that they managed to eke out a leland: was this white house magic or paul ryan magic? you know, if you watched the rose garden ceremony on thursday, everybody was lavishing creditten on everybody credit on everybody. republican members had run on this for three straight elections and said whatever happened, they had to at least get something out of the house. that was the real magic. leland: we have of a lot of folks here who have a lot of history covering the white house and capitol hill as you do, and i don t know if anybody could remember the last time there was a ceremony in the rose garden after a bill passed one chamber. it was certainly a victory lap. on the other hand, getting that bill through the house against all the odds could quite reasonably be seen as a considerable victory against the odds for this white house. leland: well, certainly, they want to play it that way. with is there a danger or was there a calculus of whether there s a danger in having a moment like this if all of a sudden it fails in the senate? it also did leave the impression that this was going to be the great, shining moment for their effort. leland: yeah. well, it cuts both ways. after this, especially after it passed, we saw the sort of insane talking points from both sides really come out. if you listen to democrats, you know, if you ve ever stubbed your toe, you re not going to be able to get health care. if you listen to the president, dedeductibles and premiums are coming down, and more importantly as he said, it s going to be great. you get the sense that neither side s really telling you the full deal here. well, health policy is confusing and complicated, and that leaves a lot of room for partisanship. there are arguments that each side can maker for their case. what americans are ultimately wrestling with is this difference between whether you want lower premiums, which you could have, or whether you want to cover everyone regardless of their medical history, which you could always have. americans have never been asked to choose which one they want. leland: that s what politicians do, promise you thinks you can t have. happens all the time. the question though for the white house right now is really how far can we push in the senate to get this through. what cookies are on the table right now. well, the white house knows there are going to have to be changes in the senate. they don t necessarily think the senate is going to be rewriting it perhaps as aggressively as they also know that tax credits and the way they re structured in this new republican bill are on the table, so both are going to be things that occupy people for the next few weeks, months, however lock they re going at this. leland: how worried is the white house about the sound bites being created by the president of pre-existing conditions will be covered, you will have lower deductibles and premiums when we don t have the cbo scoring and really, as we learned from obamacare, there s a law of unintended consequences when it comes to health care legislation? certainly, the last administration did learn towards the end that some of the promises that president obama had made at the beginning were very hard to live up to. but they also saw those as necessary things that needed to be said at the time to get the bill passed. in some ways, you fight the battle that s immediately in front of you and worry about the later battle later. leland: and this white house seems okay with that philosophy as well. sor for now. leland: thanks again. great seeing you. liz? elizabeth: well, we ve been talking a lot about the election in france, but it s not the only big election on our radar this week. on tuesday south koreans will head to the polls to elect a new leader two months after the country s former president was impeached on corruption charges. u.s. relations hang in the balance while tensions rise in the korean peninsula. a 64-year-old civil rights lawyer has a strong lead. moon has been critical of u.s. deployment of an anti-ballistic missile defense system known as thad in south korea, seen here, a move the previous president had endorsed. and take a look at this. severe flooding swamps the midwest. people are not out of the woods just yet. we re going to talk with missouri s governor about the big clean-up and the danger his state is still facing after the break. and police are searching for the suspects seen here accused of fatally punching a stranger. the latest leads in that case and what we re learning about the victim in this very tragic story when we come back. that guy murdered my son. he was a husband, a father to five kids, and he was my best friend. pression is a tangle pression is a tangle of multiple symptoms. that s why there s trintellix, a prescription medication for depression. trintellix may help you take a step forward in improving your depression. tell your healthcare professional right away if your depression worsens, or you have unusual changes in mood, behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens and young adults. do not take with maois. tell your healthcare professional about your medications, including migraine, psychiatric and depression medications, to avoid a potentially life-threatening condition. increased risk of bleeding or bruising may occur, especially if taken with nsaid pain relievers, aspirin or blood thinners. manic episodes or vision problems may occur in some people. may cause low sodium levels. the most common side effects were nausea, constipation and vomiting. trintellix had no significant impact on weight in clinical trials. ask your healthcare professional about trintellix. leland: all right. now down to venezuela as the political crisis there continues. the death toll has risen now to at least 33 people that we know of as socialist president nicholas no during row increasingly cracks down on demonstrators simply calling for elections. that oil-rich country is dealing with hyperinflation and major food shortages due primarily to ma during row s radical left-wing policies. drop in oil prices have added to the country s troubles. u.s. national security adviser h.r. mcmaster met with the national assembly president yesterday who opposes ma during row. they maduro. based on this video, one wonders if a peaceful solution is possible. elizabeth: here in the u.s. people in the midwest are knee deep in clean-up this weekend after heavy rains caused severe flooding across parts of missouri, arkansas, illinois and louisiana. officials are blaming this flooding for at least six deaths in missouri alone with governor eric greitens declared a state of emergency. the mississippi and missouri rivers are expected to crest today. they could reach 12 feet above flood level, so people are not in the clear just yet. governor greitens joins us now from the phone in missouri. governor, thank you so much for joining us, sir. so you re not out of the woods yet, what are you telling residents today? look, this has been a historic flood in missouri. we ve had 13 major rivers and creeks that have passed all-time, historic highs, and tonight it s very possible that the mississippi near cape gerardo, missouri, is also going to hit a historic high. so we are still in the flood-fighting phase of this operation. i ve signed an executive order to get hundreds of national guard troops as well as thousands of volunteers out on the front line ands could not be prouder of the way the people of missouri have responded. first responders have conducted hundreds of rescue operations, literally saving hundreds of lives. we want everybody to stay safe, and everybody on front lines we appreciate their incredible volunteer work. elizabeth: yeah. some of the video that we re seeing is just absolutely, it s breathtaking. i want to talk to you a little bit about the economic impact. i mean, you re talking about towns that are completely underwater, but aside from the damage, i also want to ask you about commerce because there s roads, hundreds of roads that are closed. amtrak is not able to function and especially boat traffic when you talk about the rivers cresting today, so boat traffic is halted. so i want to ask you, sir, about the mic impact the economic impact. look, there has been, obviously, a major short-term economic impact because we have had hundreds of roads closed, lots of trains and, of course, ports which are incredibly important to us here in the state of missouri. longer term we have had some, you know, entire communities which were virtually underwater. i ve been in west plains, van buren, missouri, all of these communities incredibly hard hit including dozens of businesses, hundreds of homes. so for us as we get past the flood-fighting stage, we ll also be moving into the recovery phase. we have declared a state of emergency here. i have every expectation that this will lead the level for a federal disaster declaration, and we ll be bringing resources to the bear as part of this critical economic recovery as well. elizabeth: okay, you talk about resources. i m asking, have you asked for any assistance from the federal government? there s been a lot of talk when we ve seen natural disasters like in that these, perhaps, could be some of the programs or funding that is actually proposed to be cut out of the budget in 2018. so i want to ask you, have you gone to the federal government and asked for help? you know, i spoke to president trump last week, told him about what the situation was here, and his message was really clear. he just said, eric, we ve been watching you and the people of missouri, you re doing a great job, let us know anything we can do to help. so our next step in the process is to do formal assessments of all the the damage throughout the counties in missouri, and then we will make a declaration for this to be declared as a federal disaster which would then activate those federal resources. so i am planning to make that application. elizabeth: all right. my last question, you talked about the national guard and the volunteers. what else are you seeing on the ground there? i know you and i had talked before the break that really you re flabbergasted by some of the people who are reaching out to help the victims of this disaster. i ll tell you, i was in west plains, missouri, yesterday and this is a town that was incredibly hard hit. you had first responders saving lives, and then what i saw was so many volunteers from the red cross, from churches coming together to help their friends, their family and sometimes to help complete strangers clean out their house, make sure that they re providing warm meals, shelter, clothing. and it is really heartening to see the way the people of missouri are dealing with hardship but coming out stronger on the other side. elizabeth: all right. governor greitens, thank you so much for joining us. you are in our thoughts and prayers, sir. god bless you. thank you. leland: now to san francisco where a truck driver escaped unharmed after his truck fell into a sinkhole. the sinkhole was about 5 feet deep, 15 feet wide. the driver had pulled over and stopped when he noticed his truck was starting to sink. then they pulled the truck back out. hmm. elizabeth: all right. coming up after the break, seeking justice. one heart broken family is asking your help to find a man who allegedly murdered this father of five children with just a single sucker punch. plus it was just a year ago that new yorkers first beheld the hinten berg soaring majestically past the new york skyline. elizabeth: remembering one of the worst aviation disasters in history caught on film 80 years ago today. 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it s just sickening to me. that guy murdered my son. he was a husband, a father to five kids. and he was my best friend. reporter: the campos brothers, there are four of them in all, had arranged a rare get-together in vegas to celebrate adam s upcoming wedding. the brothers say louie was loving every minute of that trip, and they loved every minute they spent with him. now, they just want to see justice for that man who took their brother s life. leland? leland: makes you angry in so many ways to watch that video. jonathan hunt in los angeles. jonathan, thank you. we want to give you an opportunity to see the surveillance video again. not much of a description, but there s a lot you can tell from a video like that, the way they walk, the way they hold their hands. if you have any information on the suspects, you can help. call the las vegas metropolitan police department, 702-828-3521. elizabeth: coming up, devils of the deep putting op a very colorful display at a national park in florida. we ll explain. it s how well you mow fast. it s not how fast you mow. .it s how well you mow fast! they re not just words to mow by, they re words to live by. the john deere ztrak z345r. up close and personal encounter, according to news harold, schools of the dark-colored fish have spent the last week making their way on what s known as the kitty pool. i ve been there, it s beautiful. they don t have barbs so they can sting but, of course, wildlife experts does not recommend petting them. i would say telling me not to worry when that s in the water, i m going to worry. they don t have barbs. they know that how? 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