cares. that itself was an interesting thing to watch at the time. presidential nominee absents himself from the party platform process. interesting. but what was way more interesting than that, what was riveting and bizarre to watch at the time that we couldn t make heads or tails of at the time was the trump campaign s one exception on the party platform. even hope the they let this other stuff slide, that was very much not in keeping with trump and the campaign, they did decide to get up on their hind legs and fight and intercede aggressively for one specific thing in the platform. one specific part of the republican party platform, and that was a thing about russia. there was a proposed plank for the republican party platform that said ukraine should get help from the united states up to and including lethal weaponry so ukraine could fight off russian incursions. and you know what, the trump campaign let everything else in the platform slide. even stuff that might theoretically have bothered them but that, that ukraine and russia thing, they jumped right up on that and insists that plank only, that one, had to be taken out, that language could not stand and it was weird at the time and there was a lot else going on in presidential politics, it was the conventions, right? but even then as the russia/trump questions continued to percolate and got more acute over time, ultimately trump the candidate did have to answer for what his campaign did with the platform at his convention. why did you soften the gop platform on ukraine? i wasn t involved in that. honestly your people were. yeah. i was not involved in that. i d like to i d have to take a look at it but i was not involved? do you know what they did? they softened it, i heard, but i was not involved. i was not involved. in addition to the candidate himself denying having anything to do with it, his campaign manager paul manafort, who had done all that work in ukraine, he also denied having anything to do with it. there s been some controversy about something in the republican party platform that essentially changed the republican party s views when it comes to ukraine. how much influence did you have on changing that language, sir? i had none. in fact, i didn t hear of it until after our convention was over. where did it come from, then. everybody on the platform committee said it came from the trump campaign. if not you, who? it absolutely did not from the trump campaign and i don t know who everybody is but i guarantee you it was nobody on the platform. so nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform? no one. zero. so after the republican convention the candidate himself denies having anything to do with it. his campaign manager paul manafort denies having anything to do with it, denies that neither he nor anyone from the trump campaign had anything do with it. how did it happen? don t know, must have been fairies. now that bizarre non-explanation, those denials, have fallen apart because now a former trump campaign official has fessed up about it. he s a former trump campaign official named j.d. gordon and he says as a trump campaign official at the time taking orders from the trump campaign at the time he s the one who did it. he says now that he was the one who interceded in the republican party platform to get this language that would keep russia happy and he says he did it specifically at donald trump s request. gordon says he was a part of the effort that was pushed by the trump campaign to put some language in the gop platform that essentially said that the republican party did not adcate for arming the ukrainians in their battle against pro-russian seratists. that was a big issue flaring up at the time of the republican convention. that effort was successful in having that language in the republican party platform. and i asked j.d. gordon, why did you advocate for that language? and he said this is the language donald trump himself wanted and advocated for. this is just one thing that happened on the trump campaign. it was weird at the time. we got these denials that seemed implausible about it for months, now it s falling apart. why now? why are people from the trump campaign now admitting that, yeah, they did change that plank in the republican party platform to make it nicer to russia? why are they admitting it now after denying it for months? i don t know. but tonight as i said, this breaking news, politico is reporting that the fbi is on to this now, too because this russian citizen who worked with paul manafort reportedly visited paul manafort while he was running the trump campaign at the time and he reportedly later told people that what he came to the united states for last summer was to get that language obtaining testimony from christopher steele for the inquiry into the trump campaign and ties with russia. adam schiff told us last night that his committee certainly will want to get to the bottom of the details of that dossier and report what has been substantiated, what hasn t and find out how mr. steele based those conclusions. he told us if it s an issue of him not wanting to appear, him not wanting to face questions from the whole committee we more than welcome his cooperation in any manner he is comfortable. if it s an issue about whether he is willing to come before the committee, i can say i am more than willing to go to him. i know there are other members of the committee who would join me in that. that s an unusual offer from the top member of the intelligence committee. i will go to you, sir, i will go to a foreign country to get your testimony. stay where you are, we can come to you. this is a guy who thinks he has safety issues. this is a guy who has been in hiding for weeks in fear for his own safety ever since he was revealed as the author of this dossier of alleged russian dirt. the reason i raise the issue of that dossier in conjunction with this new information about the trump campaign now admitting that, yeah, they did change the republican party platform to make it more pro-russian, the reason i raised these two things together, that dossier and finally us getting an explanation on what happened with that ukraine and russia plank and the republican convention, the reason i raised these together is because one of the baseline allegations of that dossier is actually it appears to be about that platform change. one of the things it alleges is allegedly a quid pro quo between the trump campaign and russia. the russian regime has been behind the apparent leak from the democratic national committee to the wikileaks platform. the reason for using wikileaks was plausible deniability. the operation has been conducted with the full knowledge and support of trump and senior members of his campaign team. in return, the trump team has agreed to sideline russian intervention in ukraine as a campaign issue. and again i have to stress that we need to describe this dossier as an unverified dossier of russian allegations against donald trump. but everyday now, everyday i lead my show and i think i m going to be talking about something else but everyday a new piece of it falls in place and this is just the latest one. in the last couple of weeks and days, even into tonight more pieces of it are falling into place. the trump campaign used to deny that any of its staffers, anyone related to the trump campaign had any contact with any russians during the campaign. well, no, in fact, meetings between trump campaign people and russias have led to the resignation of the national security adviser, that s led to the recusal of the attorney general of the united states. the trump campaign as of last night is not only admitting a trip to russia by one of its official foreign policy advisers during the campaign but as of last night they re now admitting this trip was authorized by the trump campaign at the time he went to moscow. now politico.com is reporting what is basically a direct russian tie to that change in the republican party platform to benefit russia last year. if politico s reporting is accurate, the fbi is looking into a russian national who was previously suspected of ties to the russian security services and they are reportedly looking into his role in what the trump campaignowdmits were its efforts to what is it? sideline russian intervention in ukraine as a campaign issue. to take russian intervention in ukraine out of the republican party platform as an issue. it s everyday another piece of it gets corroborated. so we will all continue to describe this dossier from christopher steele as unfounded and unsupported and that is true when it comes to the dossier s baseline allegation that the trump campaign not only knew about but they actively supported the russian government s attacks on hillary clinton and the russian government s hacking and intervention into our presidential election to benefit trump but even if that is as yet in itself uncorroborated and undocumented, all the supporting details are checking out. even the outrageous ones. it seems like a new one each passing day. now the author of this dossier has surfaced in britain and he s okay. about any u.s. investigation of this matter. seems like a very important question whether or not investigators are going to talk to him, whether they are going to get testimony from the author of this dossier. with each passing day more parts of the dossier get supported by the facts and previous denials by the trump campaign, whether it s about jeff sessions, michael flynn, carter page, about the ukraine platform, whether it s about paul manafort, their previous denials are falling apart. and we are also learning more in dribs and drabs about the law enforcement investigations and counterintelligence investigations that are under way into the trump campaign in russia and we are learning more dribs and drabs everyday about what the intelligence committees in congress might be able to do in their investigations, whether or not they do it. so we re learning more about what happened. we re learning more about what bull pucky the trump campaign denials were on this stuff. we re learning more about these investigations. what we re going to talk about tonight in part is that there is up with other piece of this that is getting clearer each day and it s something jeff sessions has not recused from and the intelligence committees are not thinking about investigating it but it s starting to feel like an urgent matter and that is the question of what happened after the campaign. that s the question of whether russian intervention into u.s. politics into high level top level u.s. politics, whether it stopped during the campaign or whether it is still happening right now inside our government. and that sort of upsetting story is next. various: (shouting) heigh! ho! 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thank you. thank you. thank you. let s go. thank you. reporter: mr. minister, are you sure the trump administration will be strong against vladimir putin. thank you, guys, we re leaving the room. thank you. andrea, press are departing the room. let s go. reporter: we haven t had time in here. i m sorry, you need to leave. let s go. let s go, guys. andrea mitchell is a very nice person but she s obviously dogged at her work and at the end of the clip you can see how frustrated she is after secretary of state rex tillerson has given absolutely no response to any questions after andrea and other reporters were pushed out of the room at the state department by state department staff. it s clear, state department staff know andrea well enough to be on a first name basis with her. they have seen her at the state department for years if not decades but the secretary of state won t say a word. won t say a word. and you see the look on andandre face there. i think part of the reason andrea seems so frustrated is this isn t a one time thing. this keeps happening. this is the second time a few days andrea has been put in this position. ii mr. secretary, can you do your job with the kind of budget cuts the president has proposed? what does it say about the priority of diplomacy in this administration? thank you, everyone. reporter: do you think you ll have a deputity time soon, sir. let s go. thank you, we re done. reporter: when do you think you might have a deputy? andrea, please, let s go. andrea, come on, guys. this way, thank you. out, please. out. when we first played that tape a few days ago my reaction to it, you might remember, my reaction to it spontaneously was raise your children to be reporters. it s amazing tape of andrea mitchell and how she works and how hard she pushes to get information out of people in power but you know what? in addition to being an interesting thick there to see in terms of what it means to be a reporter and how hard she works, there is something very serious going on there. what andrea mitchell was asking there what did she say? do you think you will have a deputy any time soon? when do you think you will have a deputy? can you do your job with the kind of budget cut this is president has proposed. do you think you ll have a deputy? you know what, there is no deputy to rex tillerson at the state department. and his public appearances really are just silent tableau vivant of smiling men shaking hands and not answering reporters questions. that s it. when rex tillerson first arrived at the state department he gave a speech to employees in everybody thought he seemed nice but he hasn t held a press conference or made sustained public remarks of any kind since then and immediately after he introduced himself and said hey there, hi there to the state department staff, they immediately started firing all the top people at the state department. particularly the career people who hadn t been there through president obama. they were there through george w. bush before that and clinton before that and george h.w. bush before that and even reagan before that and even carter before that. i mean, as soon as tillerson was brought on board they fired four of the longest standing top career diplomats at the state department who don t turn over with new administration. 150 years worth of experience. when one assistant deputy secretary of state said what an honored the been to be a foreign service for 40 years but now they re telling me i have to go. those are the people they cleared out, people with 20, 30, even 40 years at the state department. all the institutional memory in the building. the people who form the spine of america s foreign service in a non-partisan way. the career people, the core, these have been the headlines, right? trump administration asks top state department officials to leave. or this one, it s a bloodbath at the state department. or this one, state department carries out layoffs under rex tillerson. two more senior diplomats leaving the state department. they emptied out the whole suite of senior foreign service officers as soon as rex tillerson got there. and after that while he was leaving on his first foreign trip they laid off a whole other round of diplomatic officials with decades of experience, the most senior people in the building. those are not obama appointees. these people who have been the institutional memory and the core of the state department for years as presidents come and go. they have cleared them out and are not replacing them and there s not a deputy for rex tillerson at the state department and state department officials are not attending meetings between the president and other foreign officials. he likes to bring his son-inaw instead. and the state department only yesterday rearted its press briefings which have continued daily since the 1950s before they stopped abruptly on the last day of the obama administration. they only restarted yesterday and they re no longer going to be daily. and when the office of management and budget announced the state department is in for a 37% cut in its budget, 37% we haven t heard a peep from the secretary of state about that. apparently 37% cut won t be a problem. looking at that thing happening in washington, turn the telescope around and look through the other side. look through the other side in terms of what is going on in this part of washington. if you re russia, whether or not you have a personal preference about who you want to be president of the united states, if you re russia, what you want is an end to the unipolar world where the united states leads the west and you re not part of that. if you re russia especially under vladimir putin you have no desire to be part of a western alliance of free count reis, in part because you don t think it s in your interest to be a free country and you don t want to be part of something led by someone else. once upon a time around the fall of the soviet union there was a brief hope russia might end up being a member of nato. yeah, no. under vladimir putin instead russia has decided not just to continue to define nato as its great enny the world but to set off a hooptie knockoff. russia wants the united states the world. they love being seen as a competing military power to the united states even though the russian military is in no way comparable to the mesh military other than when it comes to nuclear weapons. if you re russia, you like being seen as a military power. you don t have an issue with the united states and russia being seen as competing military powers. if you re russia, what you hate about the united states, what you hate about the u.s. government, if you want to find a specific bull s-eye for it, it s the u.s. state department. because the u.s. state department isn t military force. the u.s. state department is mesh leadership in the world. the u.s. state department organizes the world to support international organizations, to support the post war stable world that america leads. the u.s. state department is in charge of soft power, supporting american led interests with countries around the world. the u.s. state department does support dissidents in russia and critical media in russia. the u.s. state department calls out russian elections as hillary clinton did in 2011, calls out russian elections as neither free nor fair when there s evidence that russian elections are neither free nor fair. the one existential threat vladimir putin fears in his own country after 17 years in power, the one existential threat he fears is a revolution by his own people. an arab spring type uprising by russians against him and when there have been big protest movements in russia that have threatened to rise to that level putin has raged against the u.s. state department for supporting, no, for orchestrating those protesters. if russia did run a massive intelligence operation to affect the outcome of the u.s. presidential election, do we think they d see that as it its own reward? that s enough? okay, now we re done? or once you ve done that is it time the reap the benefits of that? donald trump never met rex tillerson, the ceo of exxon, before the psidential election. rex tillerson absolutely had met vladimir putin before the presidential election. he was considered to be the u.s. citizen closer to vladimir putin than any other. he received the order of friendship from vladimir putin personally, the highest civilian award that russia gives to non-russian citizens. somehow rex tillerson ended up as the u.s. secretary of state under donald trump who he d never met. and under rex tillerson, the u.s. state department putin s greatest nemesis in the u.s. government, under rex tillerson, the u.s. state department has kind of disappeared. when the state department put out its annual human rights report like it does every year, criticizing russia like it does every year, this year there was no public rollout. the secretary of state didn t even announce it, they did no public events, why stress the issue. that is usually the highest high profile thing the u.s. state department does all year. this year they just press released it. don t say a word. the more we learn about the traump campaign and ties to the russian government, the more clear it gets that american investigations into that, they need to be aggressive and independent but i want to propose that it is also becoming clear that russia didn t intervene in our election because they like the cut of donald trump s jib. the more we learn about it, it doesn t seem like it was personal. it seems like it was to get specific stuff out of the united states. actions by u.s. political figures to benefit russia. things like the republican party taking out of its platform that ukraine should get lethal weapons to fight russia and fight off those russian incursions. they wanted change. they wanted change by u.s. political actors to benefit russia. they wanted actions taken to benefit russia and also we have to ask whether they wanted actions by u.s. political figures to weaken the parts of america that most annoy and most undermine vladimir putin. is rex tillerson secretary of state because russia needed somebody to stand by as secretary of state while the state department was hollowed out, disappeared, and muted? 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admittedly it s done. i mean, you know what hillary clinton is doing tonight? she s posted a snapchat video. she got a new hair cut. she s posting a snapchat video for women s day, international women s day saying every issue is a women s issue so stand up and resist and run for office. she s on snapchat, meanwhile, donald tru is president and apparently tonight he just appointed his ambassador to russia. his nominee will be jon huntsman of utah. you know, in 2012, donald trump derided jon huntsman s own presidential ambitions saying that as ambassador to china jon huntsman gave away our country to them. well, now apparently that s just the guy to give away our country again. this time to putin, though, this time the russia the russia connection is about the election. it s about what happened to our country with this last presidential election. i recognize the election is done, but it s also about who is running our government now and with what expectations and what debt and i m pleased to say that one of the young hungry investigators who is very aggressively on this is our guest next from washington. stay with us. and now, i help people find discounts, like paperless, multi-car, and safe driver, that help them save on their car insurance. any questions? 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if constituents have concerns about links between russia and our new president, this is a public service. congressman swallwell is an active investigation of the house. he sits on the house intelligence committee, he s the top democrat on the subcommittee that deals with the cia and he joins us from washington. good to have you with us tonight, sir. thank you for being here. thank you and greetings from castro valley high school trojans who are at the heart of my congressional district in the east bay. as a three letter athlete from the castro valley high school trojans athletic department, i am very embarrassed by you bringing that up. but thank you. let me ask about your decision to post this sort of guide for your constituents. you ve posted a lot of connect-the-dots information about this russia investigation. a lot of work on this issue is classified. i wanted to let my constituents know that russia is not our friend. a lot of young people think they re just a cold war adversaries but we posted a lot of atrocities in syria and ukraine. then we walked through the trump-russia ties which are growing everyday. from there we point out the different changes in positions we ve seen from trump officials from jeff sessions to the platform committee s changes and the president himself and then, of course, we point out the interference campaign russia ran and lead everyone to the independent commission that i and elijah cummings for and every democrat has supported in congress. we wanted to walk them through so they understand bit by bit what the evidence is in this case so you have called, as you mentioned, for an independent commission. a 9/11 style commission to make it out of the partisan-controlled committee process and to investigate this as a non-partisan independent thing. i think my take on this increasingly and as far as i can tell from feedback from my viewers, people who i talk to, i think a pretty widespread feeling about this investigation is that if it is conducted by the justice department, which is run by trump campaign official jeff sessions, if it is run by the intelligence committees which are run by two trump campaign officials in richard burr and your chairman in the house, there s not much confidence that those investigations will be both aggressive and independent that said, nobody seems to be biting on the republican side about your idea of for independent commission. should we be worried these won t be independent investigations? i m worried because the trump team and many of my colleagues failed to show impartiality on this issue. as each day goes by we know russia is sharpening their knives. that s a finding in the intelligence report and we know other adversaries with similar capabilities will look at what is the united states going to do? i have to give credit to one republican, walter jones, he s joined our call for an independent commission and he s put country before party before. he was the first one to speak out against the iraq war. one of the things i m starting to feel like is going to become a further avenue of investigation is whether or not if there was quid pro quo between the trump campaign and the russian government. if there was, in fact, collusion or cooperation, if they knowingly interacted with russian officials who were attacking our election in this way they must have promised something, they must have offered something. there must have been a thank you they planned to deliver and that may not have been during the campaign. it may have been something they plan to deliver during the administration. is it your understanding that the intelligence investigations would extend to encompass what s going on now in the administration? whether any of those favors might be being paid back in the way the u.s. government is being run now by president trump? it has to and it has to look at what the consideration may have been because all the dots here in this investigation continue to connect and the biggest question, of course, is were any of these contacts or ties that the trump team had with russia, were they working with russia as they ran the interference campaign and now what we re looking at is whether u.s. policy toward russia is also changing. that would be pretty powerful evidence that they were working with russia and that russia is now getting something in return. congressman eric swalwell, member of the house eric swalwel man who represents the town where i grew up, which is just a coincidence. sir, thank you very much for being here. i really appreciate it. thank you, rachel. all right. we ll be right back. stay with us. 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going on. but tonight i actually showed up with something planned to say. oh, okay. and you ruined it. because i just listened again. rachel. bless our hearts and other parts. all right. but [ laughter ] i didn t know i could get you to say that again. i m regretting it immediately. okay. i m going to try to say the thing i planned to say. okay. and what i planned to say is wouldn t it be nice if it was just completely totally absolutely impossible to suspect that vladimir putin orchestrated what happened in syria this week so that his friend in the white house could have a big night with missiles and all of the praise he has picked up over the last 24 hours? wouldn t it be so nice if you couldn t even in your wildest dreams imagine a scenario like that? wouldn t it be great if we could go back to wag the dog being a sitcom plot, you know. exactly. and i don t know what it is. is it a 2% chance? is it a 50% chance? i don t know. but i don t think it s a zero percent chance. and it used to be with every other president prior to donald trump. and the question of how we will ever find out whether or not that s ever true is intertwined with the ongoing intelligence operation of this president s campaign in terms of whether or not he colluded with russia. maybe eventually we ll get an answer to that from jim comey. we will wait. thanks, rachel. well, when bill clinton fired missiles during his presidency, republicans questioned that they questioned whether that was to distract attention from the monica lewinsky scandal, and that was a legitimate question. you couldn t possibly get through covering that story without having that question come up. because the president was deeply involved in the scandal. and the missiles changed the subject as the missiles always do. missiles always change the subject. and so tonight we have some questions about the motivations of everyone involved. in what has happened inside syria. the united states took a very measured step last night. we are prepared to do more. she is clearly telegraphing a deeper involvement in syria, which again, several days ago was not a key priority for the trump administration. the strikes on syria? thank you very much. i m dentist trustful of how quickly he switched. i don t know what his motivations were. it is frankly not helpful to launch a small scale attack and to continue a policy of denying exit from syria to the millions of children and parents. i think the president owes it to the american people to come to congress and present a plan. this is not one of the vital u.s. national security interests. north korea. iranian nukes. i believe lots of very potentially bad problems will be going away. i think frankly, if there is a danger right now, it would be that the u.s. is expressing too much confidence. there is a reason it s been hard to figure this out. it is very complicated. and there are millions of people suffering in the meanwhile. it s perfect. just perfect. i wish it wasn t. if vladimir putin, if, if, if vladimir putin masterminded the last week in syria, he has gotten everything he could have asked for. vladimir putin was essentially the man in charge of making sure that syria got rid of all of its chemical weapons under a deal with the obama administration. so it makes perfect sense to question whether president bashar al assad would have checked with his most important patron, vladimir putin, before using chemical weapons that vladimir putin was supposed to have helped get rid of. it would be terribly embarrassing to vladimir putin if president assad had exposed vladimir putin as having completely failed to get rid of those chemical weapons. you wouldn t want to be bashar al assad in a conversation with vladimir putin after that. unless you had a conversation with him before that. unless vladimir putin said i have an idea. go ahead. do a small chemical attack. nothing nothing like the big ones you ve done in the past. just big enough to attract media attention so that my friend in the white house will see it on tv. and then donald trump can fire some missiles at syria that will do no real damage, and then the american news media will change the subject from russian influence in the trump campaign and the trump transition and the trump white house. it s perfect. it doesn t just change the subject. for most of the news media, it changes the conventional wisdom about the dynamic between vladimir putin and donald trump. president trump has finally dared to do something that vladimir putin doesn t like. it changes everything. as long as you never, never question whether vladimir putin wanted all of this to happen this week. and when you question that and you look at what has a happened, it s always worth remembering that if vladimir putin really does have ways known or unknown to donald trump to influence donald trump, then every day that is a good day for president trump is a good day for president putin. now not one word that i ve just said could possibly have been said about any president prior to donald trump. in syria, you could be absolutely sure that president assad and president putin did not do that in order to help the image of the president of the united states. that, that is the world that donald trump has given us. that is the range of possibility donald trump has given us. you will hear the counter to the possible scenario that i have just outlined. but what you won t hear is proof that that scenario that i have just outlined is impossible. because with the presidency of donald trump has shown is that with donald trump anything is possible. you have heard in the last 25 hours pundits on television reaching for the momentous, as they always do, reaching for the line that for better or worse will get your attention. and so you have heard the profound pronouncement that last night donald trump became president of the united states. you should all be used to that by now. that whenever donald trump does something routine, something that most presidents would have done, pundits will rush to the microphone to marvel at how presidential the president has become. and they will all, within a matter of days be embarrassed by the least presidential person ever to occupy the white house. we went through this cycle before when the president gave an address to congress and read every word in his teleprompter. after which he was instantly declared to have just become president of the united states. and four days after they he tweeted terrible. just found out that obama had my wires tapped in trump tower just before the victory. nothing found. this is mccarthyism. and so now we now await that next round of embarrassment for pundits. and we look back on the days when we could be absolutely certain. and i mean 100% certain that vladimir putin did not conspire to kill people as a way of helping the image of the president of the united states. joining us now, david corn, the washington bureau chief for mother jones and msnbc political analyst rick wilson, republican strategist and contributor to the daily beast. also with us indira lakshmanan. indira, i raise this and i raise it without assigning a statistical probability to it. i don t know what it is. i just know that it s not zero, and it should be zero. it has been zero with every previous president. but when you look at the way the events have unfolded this week, donald trump could not have asked for a better end of the week for his presidency as he sees it. well, lawrence, this is of course the problem with credibility. that when any white house or any politician has a problem with telling the truth, or is caught in repeated lies, then of course the public is going to have trouble believing them. and that s why the scenario that you spun while i don t abide by it necessarily, or don t put credence in it, nobody can say that it is untrue. we have no way of disproving it. and the fact that anyone would think it at all possible is because we have reason to doubt because so many crazy things have happened. what i will say is that he did these air strikes having alerted the russians to it. you know, they call it deconflicting. it s certainly known that the russians who are backing assad would have alerted the syrians to this and allowed the syrians to get out of place before these airstrikes happened. so while you can on the one hand say yes, president trump did send a strong message. at the same time it s a message where the consequences for the russians and the syrians were reduced. that s for sure. yeah, and david corn, they used weapons that won t harm the runways of that airfield. they know exactly how much they re limiting the damage to the airfield. you could go on and on about it. but if vladimir putin wants the trump presidency to succeed so that he can manipulate the trump presidency, vladimir putin is going to have to find ways to help him out. well, yes. and perhaps there is talk about working on the sanctions if the russians don t overreact. but the word i m thinking about tonight, lawrence, begins with f. that s feckless. because you know if obama had done anything like this, a minimum impact launch with telling the russian, and it s a good thing you tell the russians first so it doesn t escalate. yep. and the next day, as was reported today, the syrians are back using the same air base to launch strikes against civilian targets and rebels, that the republicans on the right would be calling obama feckless. their favorite word for him. this didn t really matter, didn t really do anything, didn t really signal much. so i do think while a lot of pundits as you noted went overboard last night and called him presidential, there is a lot to settle about this one episode. and i don t think, you know, a few days from now, a week or two from now, it may not look as glorious and thus as smart inspired by putin as it might look last night and this morning. let s listen to what nikki haley said today at the united nations. it could be that russia is knowingly allowing chemical weapons to remain in syria. it could be that russia has been incompetent in its efforts to remove the chemical weapons. or it could be that the assad regime is playing the russians for fools. the world is waiting for russia to reconsider its misplaced alliance with bashar assad. the united states will no longer wait for assad to use chemical weapons without any consequences. those days are over. and rick wilson, it could also be that vladimir putin was complicit and aware of this chemical weapons attack. look, vladimir putin is a former intelligence officer, a classic sort of russian czechist. and this is a guy who stacks bodies like cord wood in his own country to suit his political ends. i put zero past vladimir putin in this sort of thing. and the fact of the matter is there are the emotional reaction by donald trump to this week to set off a one and done attack that was supposed to be a signal. i think people are way overinterpreting the consequences of this in the short and long-term. i don t think this means anything to putin. i think he is laughing all the way to the bank on this. he doesn t care that trump got a little credit for it. he likes that, i think. and it doesn t do anything to change the actual behavior of the assad regime. and it doesn t dismiss the russian clients status of syria to russia. i don t think it moved the ball at all. it let president bang bang whoosh whoosh get to turn the key and watch the pretty rockets go. but i don t think it did anything beyond that. and indira, if there is no real russian response beyond vladimir putin s mandatory statement today saying it was an act of aggression, might not donald trump in the trump white house be grateful that there was no larger response from russia in this? and could that then mean hands off, russia, in syria? sure. trump does not want the escalate this into a problem between the united states and russia. but i think the bottom line here is we have to look at the broader question of all of this, which is what is trump s actual policy in syria. and in my column in today s paper, what i wrote about is it s very hard to send a message if you don t have a message to send. and donald trump s policy to syria has been oppositeville. basically, four years ago when there was the first chemical weapons attack he sent out this tweet storm to president obama in which he said don t strike. don t strike assad. don t do this. there is going to be a disaster. there is no percentage in it for the united states. don t do it. now he does the opposite. it seems the trump doctrine is do the opposite of what obama would do. in fact, fewer people were killed in this chemical weapons attack than the last one four years ago. so i think the question is just a few days ago, his people, nikki haley and rex tillerson were saying assad can stay in power. and now they re saying assad has to leave. so what is their actual policy beyond 59 air strikes? what s the next move? it s got to be sanctions. it s got to be diplomacy. at the end of the day wars don t end with a bunch of airstrikes. wars end with diplomacy. so they have to have a plan b. and i don t think they have thought this through. a few days ago they were going to let assad stay in power. now they re suddenly doing airstrikes. they need to think through what is the next plan they re going to do. i ll say very quickly, on my flight from washington to boston tonight, both senator markey and senator elizabeth warren were on the same flight. i spoke to both of them and asked them what do ow think? what next? and both of them were very clear that they think the president has to come to congress if he is going to do anything beyond this in terms of an authorization for more military force. so the president says he is ready to do more. i think he is going to find a congress that is resistant to letting him do more without coming and first asking for permission. i m reserving my seton friday night washington to boston flight next friday night. that s the place to be. it was good one. and david corn, the possibility here that no one in the administration has a hint of a policy. rex tillerson if you look what he is saying days ago had no hint of a policy. suddenly now he is supposed to be saying to the russians this is what we need in syria. this is someone who hadn t given it a thought prior to tuesday. well, this is war by impulse. donald trump had a policy, so to speak, for a couple years now, don t do anything. then he changed his mind on the basis of a graphic, gruesome attack. but one that wasn t much different from what we ve seen in the past. as indira just pointed out, there is no strategy beyond the attack. rex tillerson is due to see putin soon. what is he going to say? what is the policy here? what is the policy about any other region? what is the policy in terms of iraq and iran? we just don t have any because ultimately, it s not about policy for donald trump. it s about himself. go ahead, rick. you know, david is right. this is policy by impulse. and what you saw last night was an action, not a policy. yeah. this was a moment where john mccain and marco rubio and lindsey graham and everybody else who has been out there for ages saying we ve got to have a cohesive, coherent policy against the assad regime, to not only to defeat isis, for one moment donald trump did something in that lane. he is impulsive. he has the attention span of a gnat on meth. this is a guy with zero ability to focus. by tomorrow we could be back to crazy tweet town. and i don t think he has ever thought it through. i think there are competing strains. mcmaster, mattis, and to my understanding now, a little bit even rex tillerson, one of the more nuanced thing. bannon wants to keep assad in power so he can wage his war against the brown people. and this is an administration that is riven by all these different strains and different competing schools of thought. and i think trump literally, i think david s exactly right. he saw some terrible pictures and said turn the key, launch the missiles. i don t think this is considered in any way. rick wilson gets the last word in this segment. rick wilson and indira lakshmanan. what do you think? i think i know who i m betting on. 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well, there is always the theory that president assad doesn t want any peace agreement. he wants to win the war outright. president putin has been trying to broker a peace deal that brings in turkey and iran because it makes russia have a higher profile. from that point of view, what assad saw was a complete embarrassment to putin and it puts putin in a horrible spot. now he is the guy backing the pariah. now assad being the guy who he is, the pariah pulling this off and putin being as shocked as anybody. do i back that guy or stand down as my position as the regional peace broker? it s terrible for putin. and what would be in that scenario, what would be putin s choice? well, he s just said we re going to turn off the line of communication that prevents air front indications between russia and u.s. aircraft. so there is that route, which how do we know that that ends up, you know, with somebody not shooting somebody down. or there is the route of next week when secretary of state tillerson comes in saying we ve got to back off of assad and back off our support, come to some sort of agreement with the international community and condemn this. i don t know. everything we ve ever talked about with putin and trump is what is going to happen when there is a military confrontation between these two disrupters in chief. and we re about to find that out. it seems to me it s hard for putin to back way from his guy at this point. tom nichols, vladimir putin is assad s most important sponsor, without putin there is no future for assad. putin has guaranteed the removal of chemical weapons. then assad used his chemical weapons. would he use those chemical weapon, given all of that and given putin s direct responsibility on those chemical weapons. would he have used those without checking with vladimir putin first and saying i have this in mind? it s quite possible. i mean, the russian military in syria can t keep tabs on bashar assad all day long. assad runs his own country and he runs his own military. this is not he doesn t have to go all the way to the kremlin for permission to do be a things. as david just said, he has now put putin in a terrible position. putin is a mafia guy. he is a mob boss. and one of his underlings just made him look really bad. putin may have decide at least this once because his guy did this one thing against the boss s interest that he s got to take a beating but o. but maybe not repeated beatings which is why putin may have decided to not to turn off the deconfliction channel. act of aggression, international law, it didn t sound like there was any really powerful language in that. exactly. it s as much as anyone could have said without actually offering anything aggressive and without actually threatening to do anything. even turning off that line, that deconflicting line, it doesn t amount to aggression. it s only aggression if you decide to shoot things down. let s not forget, there is another player in here. assad is not alone with russia. it s got iran. iran is assad s ally, and iran really wants to win that war and doesn t want other people involved in it either. so one of the things that putin is thinking about, hey, i had this big deal with iran and turkey. what is going on here? i got to be in charge of that. so when putin lashes out and all his people lash out, tune that out and look at it. what exactly is he doing that he wasn t doing yesterday? and there is not that much. yeah. tom nichols, to that point, what is vladimir putin s next move in this situation? well, he has to decide just how much trouble assad is worth. in a sense he is backed into a corner. he can t leave him he can t leave assad out in the cold now that the americans have struck him. but he s got a troublesome client, and a client who clearly has an interest in this different from russia s who has other friends like iran. and so i think the really interesting question about what develops next is yes, the trump-putin relationship is going to be recognize the see what happens next. but also the putin-assad relationship. because assad just gave him a lot more of a headache than putin needed, and really that he probably thinks that assad merit. and david, the trump administration tonight is getting out the word that this is a one-time event. they have no plans for any further actions involving syria. that s the breaking news actually that is coming in while we ve been speaking, that senators who have been briefed on the administration s plans have just revealed that the administration, the trump administration has no follow-up planned for this at all. so when vladimir putin looks at that and says they coordinated with us ahead of time so that we could get everybody out of any danger at that airfield. they made sure they didn t destroy the airfield. they were in effect as gentle as they could be with a missile strike. and vladimir putin gets the word tonight that that s it. that s the end. donald trump is finished. how does putin react to that? well, you know, there is a possibility that putin was never going to back downey way because he is vladimir putin. but letting them know about the rockets was part of the procedure they would have had with the deconflicting line. and it also, by the way, saved putin from the possible embarrassment that let s say they try to shoot down 59 tomahawks and they can t do it. those systems wouldn t have been able to take out all those missiles. you would have had a situation there where everybody is firing at each other and it would have looked really bad for everyone. but i see where you re going with this. there is definitely a possibility that the same way putin really didn t say anything aggressive today, it s also true that that gesture really didn t do a whole lot of damage. it s two actors there not really doing a whole lot while making it look really, really, you know, you know, striking. so what s really up is what are we going to see next week when secretary of state tillerson comes. how are they going to be talking to each other? are they talking about solving a problem? are they talking about deconflicting? are they talking about the third world war? i think it s none of those things. how with committee move forward and sell everybody on the idea. david filipov, thank you very much for joining us from moscow tonight. and tom nichols, thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. thanks for having me. coming up, what next in syria. that s the question we just got the word, the breaking news tonight that the trump administration has zero plans for a next step in syria. and the war inside the trump white house. the latest rumors of who is now the closest to being fired. one of them is in that photograph. re fibromyalgia, i was a doer. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. she also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. woman: for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don t drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can be more active. ask your doctor about lyrica. i can be more active. is to always keep track of your employees.r micromanage them. make sure they re producing. woo! employee of the month! you really shouldn t leave their side. vita coco coconut water, hydration comes naturally. administration s plans, senators say they believe that the trump administration now has no other actions planned for syria. here is what the secretary of state said earlier today. we will monitor syria s response to that strike in terms of whether they attack our own forces or coalition forces, or whether we detect that they are considering or mobilizing to undertake additional chemical weapons attacks. and i d say at this point the future will be guided by how we see their reaction. joining us now phyllis bennis, a fellow with the institute for policy studies. phyllis, adulthood is that ability to prior to taking an action, asking yourself the question, and what happens after that? and we are now at the stage that of course we re hoping that the trump administration would have been at before they took their action. but as you see it, what happens next? i think one of the biggest problems, lawrence, no one in the white house knows what comes next because this military attack yesterday has no connection to an actual strategy to end the war in syria. what we re seeing is a reaction, a spontaneous reaction. it seems to have come from something donald trump was watching on television. we used to talk, you know, about the fox factor, when a lot of people would be watching television and would be motived for some good reasons to say we must do something. and too often the something was equated with something military. and if it wasn t military, it didn t count. and now we re seeing that as if trump has his own fox factor all by himself, or a twitter factor where he sees something and he turns and says we ve got to do something. send the marines. send the bombers. there is no strategy. there is no understanding of how this could make things dramatically worse for precisely those civilians in syria that trump says that he is so concerned about. the same ones that is slamming the door of our country in their face are the same babies that he says he now wants to go to war to protect. there is this it s not only hypocrisy, it s an enormous level of confusion. and it s all based on the idea that there is no strategy. this is still, it seems, a president who believes he can somehow win this war. i don t think he could even identify the majority of the forces that are fighting in the war in syria, because as we know, the war in syria is not one war. by my last count, it s about 11 separate wars that are regional war, that are global war, that are sectarian wars, all being fought to the last syrian. and it s the syrians that are doing the dying. in the war between the turkey and the kurds, it s the syrians that are dying. in the war between syria and iran, it s the syrians who are doing the dying. in the slightly warmer war between the united states and russia, it s syrians who are doing the dying. so this is what we have to sort of get a grasp of. and what s very clear is that no one in the white house seems to understand it. i want to just review for a moment why president obama did not take the same action. and in his extensive interview with jeffrey goldberg, the atlantic, when he was explaining his thinking on syria, his thought about this kind of strike was, what he feared about it was yes, we could do it. easy to do this. and it would be perceived within a very short period of time, if not immediately as a weak response in the region, and that a weak response with no follow-up makes the united states look powerless. it s almost what president obama feared was it would be an open declaration of powerlessness to do only this. in fact, this kind of a strike is an act of war, whether it s perceived one way or another or not. the problem is that whole analysis by president obama, whatever the analysis was of president trump and those around him, it leaves out the people of syria. it leaves out the people who are affected by this. it assumes that the u.s. can move in militarily, and that will somehow transform the situation. despite the fact that we know and president obama repeated this over and over again, there is no military solution. that means there has to be a willingness to say there isn t an instant solution that looks dramatic and beautiful as one of your commentators last night was repeating several times, which was completely inappropriate, saying that the bombing trails are somehow beautiful. those bombing trails hold the risk of killing people. and they are violent acts. and to say that we are going to send this as a message without strategy to end this war. the real reason president obama did not go forward is there was no political support for it. first the brits said we would not back it. it was turned over to congress. massive uprising in this wasn t where offices of congress were saying they were getting calls, 600, 700 to 1 against going to war in syria. now things are very different in 2017 than they were four years ago. in 2013 at the time of the earlier crisis around chemical weapons, there was a sense that we could that we could do this militarily. now i think what we re seeing is this does not change the considerations. it is not going to end the war. we need diplomacy, not war. phyllis bennis, thank you for joining us tonight. i really brought it. thank you. coming up, the war inside the white house between steve bannon and jared kushner whom. do you think who do you think is going to win that? 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oh yeah, we re good. we re good. terminix. defenders of home. mr. chaos, president trump, is trying to diffuse the chaos in the trump white house. according to new reports, according to politico, quote, steve bannon and jared kushner had a bury the hatchet meeting officiated by president donald trump after arriving at that hotel in florida this week. the sit-down, which was confirmed by two white house officials was an attempt to smooth over tensions between the two men. and the new york times reports that the president told steve bannon and reince priebus on thursday to, quote, work this out. how is that for the wisdom of solomon, figuring out exactly how to solve this. work this out. axios reported president trump is considering a broad shake-up that could include the replacement of white house chief of staff reince priebus and the departure of chief strategist steve bannon. the white house called that report completely false. so it must be completely false. but according to nbc s katy tur, a source close to bannon says things are very bad for him in the white house right now. allies are telling him to lay low. and wait out the storm. you can t wait out the storm if the storm is the president s son-in-law. jonathan swann of axios has spoken with the associates of steve bannon this week. he will join us, along with david corn, next. e to talk abou. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing. he said humira is for people like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn s disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. if you re still just managing your symptoms, talk with your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. hi! hey! i ve made plans for later in case this date doesn t go well. same here. wouldn t it be great if everyone said what they meant? 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are you a white nationalist? they can go back and forth. i think the real problem is not kushner, bannon, reince priebus, kellyanne conway. it s not anyone. it s donald trump. they are trolling about because at the core of the white house there is no core. donald trump has gone back and forth on many key policies. health care, tax reform, abortion, middle east, you know military action. because he doesn t give strong directions about ideas because he doesn t have is a lot of ideas and because it s never about his ideas, it s just about him, he leads you know, it leads to this sort of battleground where anybody who gets him on the right day or shows him the right video image can win a policy argument. that raises the stakes and creates a lot more chaos. we saw in the health care fight it doesn t tend to work. jonathan swan, the seen here of the president saying to priebus and bannon, work this out, not saying that to jared kushner is there any indication in any of your reporting that the president is putting any pressure on jared kushner to find the solution to this relationship? my understanding is he has told them to cut it out. he s sick of seeing this. it s really the last week has just become the tension was sort of building, but this week has just been ridiculous. there are stories from both sides. give us the most ridiculous example of how ridiculous it has become. you know, you have got stories now of like steven bannon saying to the president, i want to take my skills elsewhere, if you don t like me. anyone who knows steve bannon, he doesn t talk like that, doesn t say sentences like that. whoever put that out there it s not something steve bannon would say. he doesn t talk like that. he is a much more blunt instrument. there is leaking on both sides. the president is frustrated. my understanding is there is going to be some sort of kumbaya. who knows if this thing is going to work. i don t want to hear steve bannon singing. we are done with it on the. thank you both. sure shy if you hate tvatizing there is a show on fox news that doesn t have any. bill roel. owe riley losing all pretty much. i think there is one advertiser i think there is one advertiser left o that s coming up. it s off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america s emissions. energy lives here. all while reducing america s emissions. welcome to holiday inn! whether for big meetings or little getaways, there are always smiles ahead at holiday inn. whfight back fastts, with tums smoothies. it starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum -tum -tum -tum smoothies! only from tums bill o reilly has lost advertisers every day this week, including today. one of the companies that stuck through stuck with him as long as they could this week. this is after the new york times reported that $13 million in sellingments have paid by fox news and by bill o reilly to women who have accused him of sexual harassment. angie s list announced its decision to drop advertisingan the o reilly factor saying we are no longer advertising on the program. and angie s list, i watched this on twitter all week. they were pressured and pressured, and pressured. rosie o donnell leaned on ain angie s list on twitter. it succeeded. i think ay s list dropped o reilly. earlier this week i think ay s list was saying it wasn t their policy to judge the content of shows that they were advertising on. o reilly has not said a word about this on any night this week on his show. not one word. more than 50 companies have
reaction and analysis from muslim scholars, military experts, lawmakers and pulitzer winning prize reporter who also lived in the middle east. first, president trump on the choice he believes the muslim world must now make. terrorism has spread all across the world, but the path to peace begins right here on this ancient soil in this sacred land. america is prepared to stand with you, in pursuit of shared interests and common security, but the nations of the middle east cannot wait for american power to crush this enemy for them. the nations of the middle east will have to decide what kind of future they want for themselves, for their country, and frankly, for their families and for their children. it s a choice between two futures, and it is a choice america cannot make for you. a better future is only possible if your nations drive out terrorists and drive out the extremists. drive them out. drive them out of your places of worship. drive them out of your communities. drive them out of your holy land. and drive them out of this earth. judge jeanine: joining me now, muslim scholar and author of in the land of invisible women, a female doctor s journey in the saudi kingdom. dr. ahmed. doctor, thanks for being with us. you know, drive them out, drive them out. also it is a choice america cannot make for you. what was the message of the president? overwhelmingly, the message is that the president understands we have inside islam a profound and dangerous ideology islamism, and it is muslims to eliminate it to evict it and abandon it but the united states is supporting us. it was one of the most remarkable speeches they think you and i are ever going to see in our lifetimes. this is a once in a generation event. judge jeanine: what do you think of the way it was received in the middle east? how do you think all of the 50 muslim leaders reacted to this president s speech? i think they were hanging on his every word. dazzling. it went far beyond my expectations. some of the language, he spoke to us as muslims speak, talked about those who honor god, talked about the faith of the soul when innocent young people are lured into extremism, the condemnation of the soul. talked about restoring values to humanity that are universal and precious in islam and he had the courage to do that at the epicenter of islam, of course not mecca but symbolic with the custodian of the two holy sites right there is astonishing. judge jeanine: when you look at king salman, running to the end of the red carpet, not running, it was with his cane. there is already or so it appears this trust. why saudi arabia now seems to be aligning with the united states? what has happened in the last eight years? the speech is remarkable not only because of the president and the language and the intense. you can see the president had true feeling and sentiment and investment in the ideas, but that the muslim world is finally mature enough after decades of suffering from jihadist ideology and the united states has also been punished terribly by suffering through jihadist ideology, almost the timing in history is allowing this to happen. furthermore, in islam, there is nothing that host greater honor than hosting a guest as you yourself know from your origins. judge jeanine: yes. so it was remarkable. judge jeanine: well, and you know, it was remarkable listening to the president describe saudi arabia, and the fact that he had heard so much about it but it was their graciousness, it was the beauty of the country, and clearly there was a connection, but is this the beginning of the reformation? for me, i m not in a position to speak about that, but i think does it call muslims to reform their behavior to exterminate a fanatical ideology? for us to go inside mosques where some of these ideologies are propagating? something that the koran itself allows, if that is happening? yes. the ground has been laid. this did not come from the united states. president sisi made the remarks, they said president trump is not the same as candidate trump. these are sophisticated world operates. you know, but instead coming with his wife and his daughter, you know, almost a statement that women come and walk with me, as equals. what s that message? impressive. not just that. of course, bringing the first lady, but bringing his daughter-in-law who s converted to orthodox judaism. judge jeanine: his daughter. and son-in-law, orthodox jewish gentleman is tremendous. it s a mark of as we are here sitting symbolizing two different faiths rooted in the middle east, you and i, so too, he brought that with him. it s phenomenal. this is how we re going to collaborate. and not a single moment was lost on any of those leaders. him flanked by the king of saudi arabia, the king of jordan, president el-sisi. all of them, hardly am i in that group, all of them are unified in the approach. judge jeanine: well, it is certainly a different day. it is a speech that every american needs to see. i was just in egypt, can i tell you, my egyptian driver can quote the speeches of anwar alsadat, american children can study and learn and i myself are going to study. this is historic. judge jeanine: dr. ahmed, my friend, thank you for being here. thank you. judge jeanine: joining me from d.c. with more reaction to the president s speech, congressman darrell issa, member of house overnight and judiciary, and foreign affairs. congressman, you heard the doctor, and i m going to ask you the same question with a political angle. what was the difference between president obama s 2009, i apologize for being an american speech in cairo, and this speech and the difference in the acceptance in the muslim world? eight years later, after a lecture series, one might say in cairo, what we had was a welcoming speech, a speech that said please join me. we are in this together, and we can solve it, the united states can t solve it, there was a great deal of humility in the speech, basically saying that we ll be with you, but ultimately, we cannot do it without you. and again, it was a speech of welcoming and opening rather than a lecture. judge jeanine: and what do you think of the fact that, you know, president trump has only been in office four, five months, and yet, this, the establishment of the financial targeting center, the reception of the coordination here. i mean, this doesn t happen overnight. how did the president do this? well, a couple of things. some of these were programs that were pent up, waiting to happen, certainly the saudis have wanted to re-engage with the united states on u.s. weapons and u.s. security assistance, that they pay for, but it wasn t very welcome with the last administration. remember, judge, at the beginning of last administration, you had hope by the arabs, by the muslim world, and by israel. by the end of the obama era, all of them had given up on the united states under president obama. he simply alienated everybody, including bibi netanyahu. he spent money trying to defeat american tax dollars. judge jeanine: exactly. this reopening is about undoing eight years but beyond that because it s got to do things that didn t happen under george w. bush. it s got to bring the arab world together in a different coalition. it s not just a coalition of military might. it s a coalition of ideological, if you will, purity. the idea that religions are supposed to help people live together, not help them kill each other. judge jeanine: and you know what s interesting is that even the president made reference to the fact that, you know, for generations the christians and the jews and the muslims lived together, and it s only this recent, you know, destruction that s occurred in the interpretation of islam. but you know, congressman, it s very interesting as i sit here, you are lebanese descent. i am lebanese descent. the doctor is indian subcontinent of pakistan. judge jeanine: so many americans can relate to the middle east. and yet so separate from our lives for so long. do you think that instead of talking about coordination, we re going to have real partners and allies again in the middle east? absolutely. we re already seeing it. i was a few weeks ago, i was at the refugee camps in lebanon and jordan where the united states is re-engaging to try to bring some real solutions there. you know, the last administration wanted to brag about how many refugees we brought to the united states. when you see over 2 1/2 million refugees in jordan and lebanon, you realize they can t come here, we have to make it possible for them to live there. that s one of the agendas you re seeing. and speaking of the country that our ancestors came from, you know in downtown beirut, in solidare, without glasses, you can see a jewish temple, a shia mosque, a sunni mosque, an orthodox church and a roman catholic church, you can see them all, and you can walk to them in the square, and they re all ancient because our people have lived together, and it s that welcoming they think president trump showed so well in saudi arabia that we can do it again. judge jeanine: and you know what? i think that the middle east is now a believer. the president was very clear, iran is the enemy, and iran, of course, the historic enemy of saudi arabia. have we taken sides, congressman? you know, in 1979, sides were taken, we re only now owning up to it. the reality is that the extremist direction of wahhabiism and the growth of al qaeda and isis had much to do with the shia and sunni responding. the reality is unchecked since 1979 is part of the reason we re here, and that s what we ve got to realize is, that islam will heal itself when islamic leaders part of the process. that s what the president went halfway around the world for. that s what he delivered in a very powerful speech welcoming the muslim nations and i think the rest of the world to join us in a different fight, a fight for the ideas, when he says drive them out. he s not saying drive the people out. he s saying drive these ideas out that have tainted our countries. judge jeanine: congressman darrell issa, thanks for being with us this evening. thank you, judge. judge jeanine: joining me with a military perspective on how the speech will affect the fight against isis. retired army lieutenant colonel mitch utterback who served three tours in afghanistan and one in iraq. colonel, we heard about the $110 billion arms deal with the saudis and another $400 billion that will be invested in the two countries. more jobs at each end. what are the military implications of this deal? good evening, judge. one of the most important military implications for everybody watching tonight is fewer americans in that part of the world because the saudis purchased more of our equipment, more ships, more tanks, more planes mean more u.s. troops able to be home with families. but it also means they have demonstrated that they re willing to purchase the equipment over many years and want the training. they want the maintenance, they want the help with operating it and they want the help with taking the fight to the enemy want and the help deterring iranian influence in that part of the world. judge jeanine: you know what s interesting? president obama was always talk about the coordinated efforts and the coalition. i have never seen anything like what i saw today in saudi arabia, and dr. ahmed is shaking her head right next to me. why is this so different, colonel? well, the doctor will agree, i m sure. the president demonstrated deep cultural competency. a deep understanding of how to behave, how to present himself, how to show humility. how to dignify his hosts. also how to project strength tame. it was a very nuanced visit for those of us that have lived and worked and been shoulder to shoulder in the middle east. we saw that as, hey, this guy looks like he s been doing this for a long time. great advice or just an incredibly deft, culturally competent leader that we have now. judge jeanine: doctor, you wanted to add something to that? so well said, congressman. the moment for political will has been building because the stakes have become so high. we re seeing the collapse of syria, the rise of iranian influence in yemen, the destabilization of the region through jihadist islamism. the consequences of the downstream impact in europe. the muslim will is tremendous. the timing is important. judge jeanine: back to you, colonel, you know this terrorist financing targeting center, which will have the staff of individuals, experts from the united states and from the arab world, what do you expect that to accomplish? couple things, judge. i expect the u.s. treasury department to bring years and years of counterthreat to financing, the intelligence and ability to track the money, but once we know where the money is, and the gcc countries with the language ability, the culture ability, the knowledge of how the money moves around. our technical and intelligence capability married with the gccs cultural capabilities and language capabilities is unprecedented, and it really is going to dry up in large parts the biggest donors, the biggest guys who wish they were jihadists but too scared to go so they give the money away. this is the great stuff. when you say gcc, colonel, you re talking about syria not syria, talking about egypt, jordan, which countries? those are the gulf cooperation council, judge, saudi arabia, qatar, kuwait, oman, the united arab emirates and bahrain. countries that have very, very strong military partnerships with the u.s., now a counterthreat financing partnership. momentum is building, this is a great sign. judge jeanine: colonel utterback, thank you very much. and dr. ahmed, thank you so much. former u.n. ambassador john bolton is on deck tonight, but next today we begin a new chapter that will bring lasting benefits to all of our citizens. judge jeanine: is the u.s. finally back to leading on the world stage? dr. zuhdi jasser is here with his reaction to president trump s historic speech. and later, judy miller offers a look at what to expect from president trump s trip to israel. justice rolls on in a moment. no need with thending thcars.com app when on the lot, scan a vin to pull up all the info you need to help get the price you want. start scanning today. i mwell, what are youe to take care odoing tomorrow -10am? 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certainly, this is why he got such a warm welcome. the sunni world which is 90% of the muslim world in the arab area, has seen eight years of abandonment. they saw everything dumped at thealtar of the fake iran deal with hundreds of billions of dollars going to tehran. now they see a president who will shore up the coalition as necessary to defeat isis. they see a president who will hold them accountable to not only defeating isis but radical islam. this is why the new center on counterterrorism is important. left unguided, left unled, the sunni regimes will ultimately feed the ideology like qatar, turkey and saudi arabia did like radicalizing the syrian government and others. this new relationship will hold them accountable and they welcome that, they need leadership and guidance and seeing a rebooting of the balance that was stability in the 20th century that was lost in the last eight years of obama s surrender. judge jeanine: what happened as the president indicated for generations, christians, jews and muslims lived together in this holy land. what happened that broke that? what was the beginning of the destruction? i think ultimately the world is starting to witness where islam is in history right now. we are going through enlightenment, a reformation, and a understanding of a respect for secularism and the need to separate mosque and state just as created the french and the american revolutions, and this is why what s very different than today s world versus the cairo speech of 09 of obama or president bush s era, post-arab awakening, these regimes are roiling with groundswell of arab awakening, i hope the next speech from president trump will use freedom, democracy and liberty. yes, he might develop a coalition to destroy and decimate isis, but in the long term, radical islamist groups will keep coming back unless we feed the diversity of thought. time which islam is in history to bring back that time which there was stability, cooperation between the faiths, there was a lack of kinetic, radical islamist ideology that wants to decimate everything else. and the time to reboot that is now. judge jeanine: as a military man, you were in the navy. when the president said he s going to oblitrate isis and seems to be doing well on that front, but at the same time, saying the muslim world has got to work with us. we can t do it for you. i mean, you know, obama said the same thing, but why is the reception so different? why is president trump, who s just so newly in office, able to deliver with such credibility his argument? because president obama did it from a position of beginning and ending by blaming america, by blaming the west, in an almost self-flagellating apologetic. telling them to drive them out. we will isolate iran and genocidal regime, that is language they have not heard for a long time which is true leadership from the front rather than the back if any at all. the arab tribal community respects leadership, even if they tell them what to do or not to do, and i think that will go a long way to stabilizing the region. judge jeanine: well, they respect strength and they respect leadership and they respect honesty. and what s interesting is that the president went in saying i m not going to tell you how to live or impose my sense of what you need to do. anyway, dr. zuhdi jasser, so good to you have on justice . thank you so much. any time, judge. judge jeanine: coming up, president trump with a strong message to iran in his historic speech. former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton is here to weigh in next. all you need is love plays my friends know me so well. they can tell what i m thinking, just by looking in my eyes. but what they didn t know was that i had dry, itchy eyes. i used artificial tears from the moment i woke up. .to the moment i went to bed. so i finally decided to show my eyes some love,. .some eyelove. eyelove means having a chat with your eye doctor about your dry eyes because if you re using artificial tears often and still have symptoms, it could be chronic dry eye. it s all about eyelove, my friends. be the you who doesn t cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don t give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. some serious allergic reactions can occur. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. most people using stelara® saw 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®. now there s armor all wash wipes with lift and clean technology. extra large wipes that lift and remove dust, dirt and grime. no hose, no bucket, no problem. just wipe, to spot clean bird and bug splatters in seconds or to wash and wax the entire car in minutes. also try new armor all ultra shine wax wipes. for a brilliant shine with that same wipe and walk away convenience. clean, shine and protect, anytime anywhere with armor all ultra shine exterior wash and wax wipes. [ ] reporter: this is a fox news update. president trump arrivals in israel later this morning. he s looking to achieve what he calls quote ultimate deal. fees between israelis and palestinians. son-in-law jared kushner is leading that effort. the president s first major budget proposal is out tuesday. it includes sweeping cuts to medicaid, food stamps and farm subsidies. it could eliminate health benefits for millions of poor people. jury selection gets under way in bill cosby s sexual assault trial. he says he won t testify. dozens of women accused him of drug and sexually assaulting them. . funds arms and trains terrorists, malicious and other extremist groups that spread destruction and chaos across the region. for decades iran has fueled the fires of sectarian conflict and terror. is a government that speaks openly of mass murder, vowing the destruction of israel, death to america, and ruin for many leaders and nations in this very room. judge jeanine: president trump ripping into iran s government in historic speech making it clear they are america s enemy. former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. fox news contributor john bolton joins me now with reaction to the president s strong words. good evening, ambassador. the president made it very clear where the lines of demarcation were, iran and syria are our enemy. let s talk about iran. right, i thought this was a very strong speech by the president. i think it was well received by his audience in the arab world which is seen in the last eight years, they think america has taken leave of senses for not appreciating the threat that iran poses, not just to them but to us, and it s because both the nuclear program and iran s longstanding support for terrorism. so this is a signal that the obama administration really is gone and that the united states appreciates that the ayatollah s regime in iran is a threat in the region and globally and we re going to deal with it, as he said, during the campaign. judge jeanine: when the president talked about iran, he talked about the fact that very clear that we have got to starve terrorists of their territory, their funding and the faults are of the ideology and we can defeat them. iran has always been, ambassador, the enemy of saudi arabia. so in addition to identifying iran as the enemy, we are also making it clear that we are aligned with saudi arabia and, i think, the sunnis as opposed to the other sect. well, i don t think that necessarily is the case. i think we re aligned with regimes that oppose what the current regime in iran is trying to do. back in the 50s and 60s, though he was unpopular for other reasons, the shah of iran kept iran on the west of the cold war. it s not the people of iran that s the problem, it s the ayatollahs in charge. they do pose a threat to the oil-producing monarchies on the arabian peninsula to israel and to the united states. so to eliminate that threat, to deal with the nuclear, the ongoing nuclear program and iran s funding of terrorism, we re going to use the friends that we have, and i think they re delighted to see that the president understands the nature of iran s threat which is something barack obama didn t get for eight years. judge jeanine: clearly. the president made it very clear it s not the iranian people, i mean, it is those who are chanting death to america and destruction to israel. in light of this new, this reset in the middle east by the united states with saudi arabia, jordan, egypt and the other most of the other sunni countries, it appears that the president also was talking about the possibility of peace between israel and palestine. it s clear that that is on his agenda. well, i think the threat of iran is certainly focused the attention of saudi arabia and some of the other key monarchies, and that s why prime minister netanyahu of israel does think there s a chance to harness that new strategic clarity, to get peace with the palestinians. the president is an optimistic man, willing to take a shot at it. good luck to him. i don t think it s going to happen. i don t think on the palestinian side, the palestinian authority is capable of making commitments and honoring them, and there will have no legitimate authority for the palestinian people. it s a great tragedy, but that s where we are at the moment. we ll see. the president is determined to play it out and i don t see any downside. it may come to nothing as so many other evers here have. but if the saudis and others are willing to go along with the effort by israel and the united states, let s see what happens. judge jeanine: sounds like a new realignment with saudis and the israelis possibly being on the same side. ambassador john bolton, thanks for being with us. thank you. judge jeanine: and coming up, my all-star panel on deck ready to battle it out. back in a moment. it s just a burst pipe, i could fix it. 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[laughter] look, i think this is showing a moment of strength by this president in basically going to the muslim leaders and saying we need to unite in order to eradicate radical islam. he also talked about the importance of the disastrous mess we have seen because of radical extremism in the region, and also he s sending a very direct message to iran, clearly by working with saudi arabia, by working on this multibillion dollar arms deal. basically saying, look, iran, we re not with you, we are with saudi arabia, and taking sides, and i think it s been a very welcoming reception from saudi arabia, basically saying this is a new era for relations with these important muslim countries. judge jeanine: okay, richard, richard, why do you think that he was so the president was so well received in the middle east? well, i think the reason he was so well received in saudi arabia, only talking to one half of the muslim sect. he wasn t talking to the other half. judge jeanine: 50 muslim leaders. you have the sunnis and the she aone group was not there in the room, at all, period. the other reason the saudis are so happy is more to do with the fact yesterday he signed almost $100 billion arms deal to saudi arabia turning a sharp ideal that we can use diplomacy to solve problems to using weapons to solve the problems. judge jeanine: by engaging in the arms deal, we give the saudis and the gulf states the ability to protect themselves as opposed to sending american military over there. and i thought that was a great argument. plus it makes jobs in the middle east and the united states. i hear that, but i think we ll be neglecting the fact, a good majority of the 9/11 attackers came from saudi arabia and saudi arabia has been sponsors of terrorism. the president forgot that last night. i think president obama remembered that. go ahead. what about iran being a state of terrorist state. they re not getting an arms deal, mercedes. what i m saying is here s one of the things they did work on. it was saudi arabia, the fact of prosecuting individuals who are going to be financing terrorists. that was part of the agreement they made during this visit. also we saw the establishment of this global counterterrorism and extremism center in saudi arabia. these are positive steps to eradicate radical islam in this region. now with that being said, this is not what we saw under president obama where president obama decided to stand with iran and basically what have we seen with iran? iran s involvement in syria? seen a stronger russian-iranian alliance and seen the fact that iran basically is continuing to finance terrorism. what we did see in iran is they don t have the ability to acquire or attain or develop a nuclear weapon, that is a step in the right direction. they lost the we can relitigate the iran deal as long as we want, right? here s the truth. now donald trump has the keys to this car and even though there was an election in iran yesterday and iran seems to be moving more to a globalized position than previously, he still slapped them in the face. that is not diplomacy. judge jeanine: richard, doesn t it bother you when you hear the iranians yelling death to america, eradicate israel, the big devil, the little devil? come on! you think they re our friends. bothers me as much as russia engaging in our election. judge jeanine: oh, boy. i m will for someone to give me evidence of that. you know what? i don t want to go there. richard, richard. they engaged in our elections. judge jeanine: richard, richard, the bottom line is now we ve got a president allowing the middle east to get the weapons they need so we don t have to go over there and fight all the time. can i make one historical point on this point? judge jeanine: sure. every time we ve sold the middle eastern countries weapons they used it against us. that s not true. judge jeanine: you are wrong. we gave weapons to the afghanis and the iraqis, those weapons used against our men and women. point-blank, period. judge jeanine: mercedes, finish. one point we have to make clear. it is israel, one of the foreign ministers mentioning that they were concerned, they re nervous about the close relationship between the united states and saudi arabia. we have to be very clear that the one ally who we do need to stand strong with, someone who president obama did not is with israel, and i think that s going to be an important message that president trump is going to have to deliver when he meets with prime minister netanyahu during his visit to israel. i think judge jeanine: tomorrow. there is they are concerned, israel is concerned about the close ties with saudi arabia, but with that being said, you need to be able to have the communication with saudi arabia and the moderate muslim countries in order to ensure there is stability in the region. judge jeanine: mercedes schlapp, richard fowler, thanks for being with us. thank you. judge jeanine: president trump pushing forward with his first foreign trip. next stop, israel. pulitzer prize-winning tech: when your windshield needs to be fixed. trust safelite autoglass. for these parents, driving around was the only way to get their baby to sleep. so when their windshield got cracked. customer: we can t drive this car. tech: .they wanted it fixed right. so they scheduled with safelite. our exclusive trueseal technology means a strong, reliable bond, every time. at safelite, we stand behind our work. bye, bye. because the ones you love, sit behind it. 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right. the word kvetsch is not a yiddish word, the reception will be warm because the united states is israel s closest ally, but also going to be a lot of complaining. judge jeanine: because of saudi arabia being the first stop? that and so many other things, judge, first of all there s the mossada issue, the speech e was supposed to give, mossada the archaeological site where jewish zealots jumped to their death rather than be conquered by the romans. the israelis said that is not a great place to make a speech about peace or prospects but we re not going to fly you up to the site, you ll take a cable car, so he s going to go to the western wall, and the western wall flap, and that is the wall in israel or is it in palestine and the state department of course got very nervous about calling that. there s the issue of whether or not the president gave sensitive israeli intelligence to the russians when they met here in washington. that really disturbed some of the intelligence community. judge jeanine: my understanding is they said it had already been public, anyway. well, that s what mcmaster said, israelis disagree. we could go on and on. the thing that bothers and worries bibi netanyahu the most is whether or not donald trump wants to make the ultimate deal between israelis and palestinians, that s very dangerous for mr. netanyahu who wants to keep his coalition together. ultimate deal judge jeanine: look, our president can t impose a deal on them, netanyahu has to be a part of it. netanyahu has nothing to worry about. it seems to me that netanyahu should be happy that the president has said iran is the enemy, assad and syria are the enemy. we re going to give the saudis, the enemies of the iranians, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. business, fundamental stuff. they re very happy about that. they re not an open kind of coalition. there were two israeli journalists left in washington because they weren t permitted to go to saudi arabia because the riyadh wouldn t give them visas. the cooperation that exists is not open. judge jeanine: judy, with all due respect, this sounds like petty stuff. we re dealing with bigger issues. by the way. i totally agree with you. unlike saudi arabia, israel is a democracy with a vibrant free press, and donald trump is going to read and hear about all of this because people talk and they air their grievances and this is not the way things are in saudi arabia. judge jeanine: the president made it so clear, i m not going to tell anybody how to live, and i think that was the mistake of president george bush. we re going to give you democracy, happy with the purple fingers. they don t want democracy. let people live their lives. i think that s true, but i hope that mr. trump understands that this is not about real estate. this is not a deal that can easily be made judge jeanine: and he didn t sound like it was about real estate today. my friend judy miller, thank my friend judy miller, thank you so m just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. some serious allergic reactions can occur. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or most people using stelara® saw 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®.
talk about the e.u. the e.u. is not a very democratic institution. when you look at the majority of people in poland, in other parts of europe, they support these policies that the e.u. elites themselves really deplore. there s talk earlier this year of the e.u. sanctioning the czech republic and poland and hungary for their immigration policy. huge majorities in those countries favor restricting migrants. they don t want the country to be flooded with migrants the way germany has been. the e.u. wants to punish them for that. when we talk about e.u. or european elites, we aren t really talk about people who care all that much what actual citizens of poland want. or think. tucker: you see that here in this country on display every day. how long can fake democracy continue? ethically seeing the repercussions, the backlash from everything about his little puppet donald trump. our president is walking into a room tomorrow morning in hamburg germany with a guy looking across to them like you re looking at me who knows everything, who knows every meeting that his people, mike flynn, jared kushner, anybody else. who met with the president. he knows it all. if he had excitement in the hotel room in moscow, years ago, he s got those pictures, is looked at as a million times. he knows every thing about donald trump. tucker: you can t edit live television, but still. back in reality, the question is which of the president be looking to gain from today s meeting with the russian leader. for that we turn to an actual expert on the subject, a russian speaker, stephen cohen is a professor at nyu, taught at princeton, also contribute an editor at the nation magazine. he joins us tonight. professor, the first thing you notice is just how much the press is rooting for this meeting between our president and the russian president to fail. why? why were they wanted to fail? it s kind of pornography, justice like there s no law against there is no american interest. as a historian, let me tell you the headline i would write instead. what we witnessed today in hamburg. potentially historic new, anti-cold war partnership, begun by trump and putin, but meanwhile attempts to sabotage it escalate. he said it was an expert. i actually do have one expertis expertise. i ve seen a lot of summits as we call meetings between american and russian presidents. the president even participated the first george bush s summit preparation, when he met with gorbachev and invited them to the camp david. in that context, i think what we saw today was potentially the most faithful meeting between american and russian president since the war time. the reason is that the relationship with russia is so dangerous. and yet we have a president who might have been crippled by these russian attacks on him, and yet he was not. he was, i think, politically courageous. it went well, he did important things, and this will be astonishing to be said but i think today we witnessed pertinent stomach witnessed tonic president trunk i think it was a good day for everybody. tucker: how much of the attacks on russia from, how much do they really have to do with iran and russia is with iran and syria? i think a lot. you ve got three major actors being demonized in america. one is putin. second is trump. but then the leader of syria, president asada, is demonized here remember the main thing which you today, and i said this before, i thought the primary aspiration of trump should be an antiterrorism alliance, i thought that was vital, that is in fact, and they said as much, what they spent their time on today. they formed an alliance. that means that we will side for now with russia with assad. that will be assailed in washington because he s loath in washington, almost as much as trump and putin. tucker: but why is that? can you put a finer point on that, my frustration in this debate is that a lot of the players in it are not straightforward about what they are really for them what they are really against. their agendas are closed. why is assad the focus of so much anger in washington? i don t know. i try only to talk about things i ve studied. what i do know is that when the syrian civil war began five, six years ago, there were a lot of dirty hands in that mix. including american hands. everybody was arming somebody. we have a monstrous war going on there with so many groups being armed by so many different states, but the thing about assad to me has always been, and maybe this is colloquial, but he has been the protector of the and christians, and the nonjihadists islamic population in syria. at a time when the main threat there, the islamic state, isis, caps off the heads of these people. it would seem to me that we should stick with assad until we defeat these people. focus, if you will, before we end, something that both trump and putin said today, they said we are meeting, we have agreed, and we promise positive things to come. in other words, they have formed a political partnership. and now it goes forward, but it will be viciously attacked. and already has. if you look at the press today. tucker: mindless. thank you for the common sense. stephen cohen joining us. thank you. thank you. tucker: hamburg germany the latest city to be wrecked internationally violent left-wing protests. up next, we will talk to some but says violence in the streets like which are watching now paints the legacy of the civil rights movement of the 1960s. he would know because he participated in it. and then marin county is one of the nation s richest areas, one of the most liberal of course. so why is the county doing its best to stop the construction of affordable housing? 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first of all let me just say, i was involved in the civil rights movement even in the mid-50s when i was stationed in the military in the south, and i was the subject to police intimidation and for three years after i was discharged my heart would race when the police officer was behind me. but i also was a veteran of the civil rights movement led demonstrations in west chester pennsylvania. i realize that what is happened over the past few years is that the civil rights movement has morphed into a race grievance industry. it s also it s hypocritical in that they are using race to justify the generation of iniquity. we demonstrated in the 60s, we did so for the purpose of increasing inclusion for tweed and tennis traits we could have separate graduation ceremonies. we also demonstrated to change the climate. we were peaceful. we sought the support of the place. we also were disciplined, we made certain that we had the proper role models, such as rosa parks, someone of good character. the civil rights movement of the 60s has now been hijacked by the left and has become a race grievance industry, and they are distorting it and really just destroying what we have created. tucker: so, mr. woodson, when you having personally fought against segregation look around and see the left pushing to reinstate segregation as you just said, separate graduation ceremonies, separate dorms, separate parts of the cafeteria and colleges. what do you make of that? is that beholding to you? first of all, it s even worse than you are portraying it. when people have deeply held blades, these beliefs are challenged with facts and truth, what they have to do is create destructive myths. the myth is that the conditions that you see low income blacks are in today is somehow a legacy of slavery and jim crow and therefore what you are witnessing now is the legacy. that is just not true. in the past, blacks were in slavery but not of slavery. blacks were in segregated, but they were not of it. blacks were in poverty but not of poverty. in other words, from the time of slavery up until the 60s, even though we were facing these odd odds, were old people could walk in their communities without fearing for their grandchildren, we didn t have out of wedlock births, our marriage rates in the 1930s to 1940s was higher than the white marriage rate. but all of that changed in 1960 when we met this tsunami of liberal academics who said one of the things we have to do is to make welfare a right, and then reparations. we also disconnected work from income, and this was purposely done by the liberal academics at columbia university, and they said if we do this, it means that fathers will be irrelevant, drug addiction will go, school dropouts will increase, and so what we are witnessing, what they could not accomplish, liberal policies of the 60s did. as a consequence we now have 70% of children are being born in single-parent households. but this did not happen during segregation. urban renewal destroyed all of the commercial centers around the country, and so it s just a myth. and it s a real crisis. tucker: must be so bitter for you to watch. robert watson, thank you for the perspective. i appreciate. thank you. tucker: president trump the administration is besieged by an unprecedented number of leaks. it really is unprecedented. we kept track. is it endangering the country? 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i think the leaks are dangerous. i think sometimes people that are making these leaks may not realize the consequences of it. recently we saw a leak, from a young lady, reality tv, an odd name tv, she served in the military and was a contractor with the nsa. likely she s going to go to jail for this. leaks are dangerous and we have to be careful, but the issue that we are finding in this administration we are seeing more than ever is that when president trump has to he has to get the respect of the people that are serving him in these agencies. you have to work harder at doing that. so far he hasn t done that. all the tweets, all the attacks, they are giving a hard time to people that work in these agencies that are civil servants, many of them not very highly paid. and when he doesn t read the presidential briefs, instead he watches cable news shows, attacking people on twitter. tucker: as a factual matter, they are highly paid, federal bureaucrats make considerably more than their private-sector counterparts. so they are well-paid. people serving in the fbi, they are not highly paid people. they could make a lot more money in the private sector. these are people who worked in the military, that dni, there are a lot of people who from give their life to protect our nation. tucker: yes there are. my father worked in the federal government, i m not against federal employees. and mine worked for tucker: and when he worked for president, you have two choices. you can either work to forward his agenda which is your job, or you can resign. would you take the same position if soldiers didn t respect the chairman of the joint chiefs and turned their guns against him? he would say no, you work for the military. you protect the country, you do what you re told. if you don t want to, you leave. it s not a matter of earning the respect. they are undermining national security because they don t like him. i think you make a very important point. there s a lot of leaks that are coming from within the white house that these are the people that he has handpicked. they are the only ones in the room at times he makes a call to a foreign leader. a lot of the leaks are also coming from within his administration, within the people he has chosen. has come he, look, a lot of leaks are coming at a very high level that are people that are in the room that are coming from the administration. you and i both know that. you work in media. tucker: slow down for a second. there are leaks coming from the political staff in the white house. leaking against each other, turf wars. that s conventional. ugly, but it happens. but the leaks that matter and the ones that undermine our ability to run the government and to be safe are the ones coming from the permanent staff. for example, may 23rd of this year, the president of the philippines and trump have a conversation. the contents are leaked. that didn t come from his staff. they have no reason to do that. how does that help the country, leaking some like that? look, i give an example of the lady named reality tv who is a contractor. mid-20s, she does make a lot of money. it s a silly name, that s what her name is. president trump has to work harder to appeal to the people tucker: s you are blaming trump for reality winner? that s no less i think the president has to earn the respect of the people that wear the uniform, that worked very hard to put their lives in danger. he could not these are not people that are property or tucker: i don t know why you make excuses. it s totally against the law and it s wrong. he is to do a better job. tucker: thanks. we talk a lot effect of illegal immigration on the economy, but what about the effect on the environment? next up we talk to a progressive environmental professor next. stay tuned. in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. i ll go for that too. eliquis. eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus had less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis had both. don t stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don t take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily. .and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. i m still going for my best. and for eliquis. ask your doctor about eliquis. tucker: 25% of the city s residents live in poverty, that s one of the highest rates in the country. crime was always high there, but now it has exploded. in the first six months of this year, 365 people have been shot. a55% increase. there ve been a most 100 murders, putting in contention with baltimore and lewis for title of america s most deadly city. even more frighteningly, only about 37% of the city s are even solved. he can be gunned down at random while walking through the french quarter, and there is nearly a two-thirds chance your killer will never be found. the mayor knows what he has to do to save his city, and it s obvious if you think about it, fix global warming. in the state of the city address, he announced an ambitious plan to save new orleans to increase recycling, cut carbon emissions, and massively increase its solar energy output, all to stand in contrast to the trump administration which has recently pulled out of the paris climate agreement. between this and tearing down all those statues in the city, it is shocking that the mayor can t seem to get a handle on the city s crime problem which is the single biggest problem. focusing on superficial issues popular with the coastal he doesn t seem to be helping. president has pushed for restricting immigration into the note said, focusing on the alleged economic problems as a result of immigration. those are the only reasons to oppose the british. what about the classic liberal because of protecting the environment? he s the author of the book how many is too many, the purpose of art meant for reducing immigration into the united states. he joins a snippet professor, thanks for coming on. good to be with you, tucker. tucker: it seems like i was looking for you for a year. when i was a kid, there were liberals, and progressives who said i m not against immigrants or anything, but too many people is bad for the environment. it seemed an obvious point. i can t find anybody in the left he says that other than you. what is your argument? the ornament is relatively straightforward, tucker. immigration currently is driving u.s. population growth, and population growth is a big part of many of our environmental problems. so part of the progress of has to do with that. if you care about creating a sustainable environment, you need to look at immigration driven population growth. tucker: because you don t go to midtown manhattan furniture, you go to yellowstone because there s fewer people. why is the sierra club and the nrdc pushing for reductions immigration? years ago, when you go back to the 70s and even into the 1980s, the sierra club did have a policy that the u.s. should reduce immigration to levels that would stabilize the u.s. population. but over time, that got to be a harder and harder argument to make. for complex reasons. really, starting about 20 years ago, environmental leaders dropped the ball on population. so there are quite a few of us, though, who is to believe an important component of sustainability. we are trying to make that case. tucker: crowded countries are dirty, all of them. it s obvious if you travel. what does our population look like if current trends continue, say 100 years from now? what are the effects on the environment? currently our population is 326 million people in the united states. if we keep immigration levels where they are, we are on track to add 200 million more people by 2100. the output of at about 525 million people. when the other hand, if we reduced immigration tucker: weight, stop your out there. we are on track to add, to be at 500 million by the end of one? how long by 2100. tucker: by the end of this entry? by the end of the century. most of this population growth is driven by immigration. if you get to play cut back to the levels of immigration we had 50 years ago, we do be untracked to stabilize our population in a few decades. basically what happened the american people have chosen to stabilize our population, having about enough children to replace ourselves. but congress has increased immigration in recent decades and so we are on track to add hundreds of millions more people. that has a pretty large environmental impact. whether you talk about greenhouse gases, sprawl, loss of wildlife habitat. people make a difference. tucker: 500 million people by the end of this century. so if you are watching, your children will live in a country with 500 million people. that s a remarkable number. professor, i hope you will come back. i m sure you take a lot of for saying stuff like that on the left, but good for doing it. i appreciate the opportunity to come on. thanks. tucker: any time. u.s. military is moving ahead with policies for integrating transgender soldiers into the army chemic armed forces. why is the question. social engineering or will it make our military more effective in fighting foreign wars? we debated with a former member of the obama administration nex next. it s happening, it s happening! in the modern world, you can control just about anything with an app. your son is turning on all the lights again! you can do the same with your car insurance with the esurance mobile app. esurance. click or call. tucker: late in his second term, president obama implemented new policies allowing transgender individuals to serve openly in the military. secretary of defense james mattis has now reversed that policy, though he has delayed allowing transgender to vigils to enlist by an actor six months so the military can prepare. how is the military preparing? new training manuals, which among many other things tell female soldiers they should except seeing naked men in the shower. all of this making our country safer? hector graham failed was a obama national security appointee and a speech writer, he joins us. ask for coming on. thank you for saving the simplest issue for the last of the week, right into the weekend. tucker: i think it maybe the simplest issue. all changes to military policy ought to answer one question, doesn t make the the country safer? tucker, i think you are righ right. when i worked directly with secretary ash carter on a number of personnel reforms, whether it was repeal of don t ask don t tell, whether it was women in combat, or whether was transgender service, the question was always does this make our force more effective. ash carter, he s a physicist. he wants the data. he wants the facts. he s not an ideologue, and neither is general mattis, the secretary of defense. that s how we approach these question, but also in mind that we have the finest fighting tucker: first of all, he s a coward. he is a coward who should ve resigned. because in no sense with the deity described or not does this make the country safer. if you can prove otherwise, the floor is open. how does this make america safer? tucker, we have to concentrate on the breadth of today and making sure that our force is ready and able to fight and win our nation s wars. that s the mission. at the same time with the elect of the and make sure that we recruit from the broadest possible pool of america s best. we have an all volunteer force. we have to draft, we have to recruit from a number of different communities throughout the country. in the past you ve seen how the military has expanded to different ethnicities, different races, women in combat. tucker: you re not answering the question. what you re saying is this is a massive social program designed to affirm different communities to put political pressure on the white house. that s fine. but the pentagon ought to be only concerned with winning wars and securing our safety. how does this advance that in any way? give me make me feel better. the way the country wins wars is that we have a military that constitutes america s best, reflect america were people want to serve. we ve seen how it is changed from the revolutionary war. it s change in a lot of ways in terms of put recruits, who it attracts. still, we have the finest fighting force the world is ever known. part of that is that we need soldiers to make that true. tucker: that is just logan s beard military, the army is now saying that female soldiers have to get used to it. they are not allowed to complain about seeing naked men in the shower because if you identify, self identify without going any physical changes, as transgender, the military has to accept your gender designation. if you say you are woman, you are woman, and other own have to deal with it. whatever you think of that, how does that help the war in afghanistan? right now there are between 3,009,000 individuals who are transgender currently serving in the military. and they served with excellence. they served pride, they serve with dignity. these are the people who despite all sorts of obstacles, all sorts of prejudices, they want to serve their country. it s the courage, it s their commitment to their country, not their gender identity. tucker: you re totally missing it, i m not attacking them at all. i admire anyone who wants to serve the country. but the question is, is the country best served by this policy? it s not about empowering individuals. it s about safeguarding the country. i don t see how this achieves that. you don t have an answer because you know this is a political sop to an interest group that the administration was afraid of. toby called them on it because everyone s too embarrassed in a mud called. nobody s tucker, i m not calling you a bigot or anything like that. the rand corporation on the west coast, it s pretty conservative, and they ve said that this would have minimal impact on readiness. so it s not like you have a group of the month tucker: it has minimal impact. that s the standard? as long as it s with minimal impact? shouldn t every decision make it a more effective fighting force for the sake of the country to protect. this does not do that. it was made with that question in mind. it was made for other reasons. that s why they should ve resigned when they made you do this. should secretary matus resign if he continues it? i don t think so. he came up with a six-month delay to make sure that the policies are right and that we get the training rights that our military can continue to serve independent country. tucker: patrick, thank you for the game of catch. i appreciate. thank you, tucker. tucker: up next, washington, d.c., city council think that is a problem. it s solution, giving minorities a chance to get to the medical marijuana business. it sounds strange. nick was born to move. who was there for you when you had amnesia? 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he is giving a speech to the people of poland. this is his first major remarks in a city overseas outdoors to a group like this. and we have seen some excerpts already. it s a fairly lofty sweefrpeech. he will talk about how people in the west succeeded now because of paper and regulations, but because they had the ability to chase their dreams. and let me ask you about a point that stuck out to me and i know you ve covered the white house and you saw him on the campaign trail. he also tried to cast a little bit of doubt about the credibility of the intelligence assessment that russia was interfering. you pushed him hard to say that the 17 intelligence agencies were the ones that came out and said that they believe russia was definitively behind it. it seemed he once again reverted back to the campaign rhetoric where he would say well, we look the ed it s only three the g-20 summit where that big meeting will happen. we know that the two at least russia wants to talk about the situation in syria, ukraine, the fight against isis. it remains unclear whether president trump will in fact bring up russia interference in the election. if we can keep you, we d like to, but stand by. we want to take i have to run to a bus, gang. understandable. thanks for joining us. we actually want to go to the exchange between the president and hallie. and then we ll talk. well, i think it was russia and i think it could have been other people in other countries. could have been a lot of people interfered. i said it very simply, it could very well have been russia, but i think it could well have been other countries and i won t be specific. but i think a lot of people interfere. i think it s been happening for a long time. it s been happening for many, many years. the thing i have to mention is that barack obama when he was november 8th, why did he do nothing. his people said he choked. i don t think he choked. so the followups for you, you again say you think it was russia. your intelligence agencies have been far more definitive. they say it was russia. why won t you agree with them and say it was? let me just start off by saying i heard it was 17 agencies. i said boy, that is a lot. do we even have that many agencies? it turned out to be three or four. it wasn t 17. and many of your compatriots had to change their reporting and apologize or correct. now, with that being said, mistakes have been made. i agree i think it was russia but i think it was probably other people and/or countries and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. i remember when i was sitting back listening about iraq. weapons of mass destruction. how everybody was 100% sure that iraq had weapons of mass destruction. guess what? that led to one big mess. they were wrong. and it led to a mess. so it was russia and i think it was probably others, also. and that has been going on for a long period ever tiof time. but my big question is why did obama do nothing about it from august all the way to november. he did nothing about it and it wasn t because he choked. all right. we re haerlg tearing the presid there responding to her questions about whether or not he believes russia interfered in the u.s. elections. i want to bring in christopher dicky from the daily beast. you heard that exchange. it s setting the stage for us in regards to the major conversation that we re looking forward towards on friday afternoon with president putin of russia. will the president confront him, talk to him about russia s interference in the u.s. elections and also as well russia sort of casting a shadow over poland, as well, and the 3 cs considering their involvement and basically how poland is worried about their security when it comes to russia and along with energy as well. talk to me about that and your reaction to that exchange. well, there were a lot of mixed messages in the entire press conference by president trump and andre duda. when it comes to the question of will he confront putin on the question of interference in the american elections, apparently not. he really does not want to address that. i think that you can say clearly that he was blowing a lot of smoefr smoke. he was doing everything he could to avoid saying russia wanted to get him, donald trump, elected. which is what the intelligence community has concluded. again he attacks the intelligence community. about maybe we can t rely on the fbi, the cia, the nsa because there are 17 members of the intelligence community and he didn t know that? it s pretty extraordinary stuff. maybe if you want to be charitable this is because he wants to try and have a reset in the relationship with russia and he is trying to reassure all these former satellites of the soviet union that he will protect them without by the way still without saying that he will honor article 5 of the nato treaty that guarantees that the u.s. will intervene to defend estonia, lithuania and latvia who are members of nato as well as poland. so he was sending a lot of mixed messages. we ll protect poland, we ll be good with poland, we ll protect our friends, especially if they pay their nato dues. but at the same time, we didn t want to point the finger at russia too much. i think the big takeaway from the meeting with putin pretty clearly is going to be about fighting isis. i think the u.s. is moving the question of assad and whether he stays or goes into the back ground and it s going to try and announce with putin that there will be coordinated action against isis. and that is about as much as we can expect from that meeting at least in public. and let s me ask you aboe l response about the question regarding north korea. if he was sending mixed signals to some of the european allies about the russia issue and having their back vis-a-vis russia, certainly a different tone about ambiguity when it came to what he is going to do about north korea. he said they were behaving very badly, but still not giving any definitive plan of action as to how he plans on curtailing that threat. and that is because he doesn t know what to do. he s already sent three carrier battle groups into the waters off the korean peninsula and at the same time, we re hearing that there can t possibly be a war because hundreds of thousands of south korea onnia s s will be killed if that happens. basically seoul is being held hostage by north korea because of its artillery positions and other weapons that are trained on the capital. so he can t go to war. he has tried to rely on china, but he s been disappointed in china s performance because china s big concern is it doesn t want to get rid of kim jong- jong-un, it doesn t wants entire regime of north korea to collapse because then there will be a massive refugee issue and all kinds of ancillary problems for dhoochina. so awful these thill of these tg on and he doesn t have an answer. so he s being ambiguous because in fact he doesn t know what he s going to do. christopher dickey, thank you very much. keir simmons now. in talking about the precarious position that the president is in considering all of the things that are on the table in this conversation when it comes to president putin, it s hard to understand how he will approach this going forward not only speaking of the position that he s in with poland and eastern europe, but also considering russia s role in the u.s. elections. how much is riding on this conversation and considering russia s role in syria as well and speaking to what christopher dickey just touched on? reporter: well, a lot is riding on the meeting with president putin. the optics will be crucial and what actually comes out of it will be very important. let s just mention that president trump did talk about russia as destabilizing. that is a crucial criticism. so while he is not fully criticizing russia for intervention in the u.s. elections, he did seem prepared to criticize russia in other ways. so the question then is what will he say to president putin when he sees them as christopher dickey mentioned, he may be looking for trying to emerge from that meeting with some kind of declaration about the fight against isis. whether that makes a difference on the ground in syria is a different question because that in and of itself is extremely complex, extremely difficult to simply talk about a fight against isis without taking in all of the other issues in syria. and then in terms of north korea, look, i think one of the questions during the g-20 summit will be how much attention in the u.s. is focused on that meeting with president putin while president trump will have a crucial and perhaps more important meeting with president xi of china because that is where the north korea question really comes up, although he russia has appeared to build an alliance with china over north korea. but that could be a testy meeting. and what we heard from nikki haley overnight was a suggestion that the u.s. reserves the right to take military action, but could also resort to trade action in relation to china unless china begins to clamp down economically on north korea. now, you know, say it quietly, we re not there yet, but that brings about the spectacle of a trade war with china. that would be extremely economically damaging and could easily be a slippery slope that could lead to problems for u.s. companies, many u.s. auto manufacturers for example during important work in china setting selling a lot of cars in china. so all of this is so complex and i think what you have to take away is the complexity of it maybe just glon straights how difficult the next few days will be. certainly complex. i want to listen in now to 3 cs conference. this includes all 12 countries of eastern europe. as it s been said many times before, the impossible has become the possible. and thanks to the 11 leaders in this room, i think that the expression will become the story of this incredible initiative. i want to con grat late you gru the great job you ve done. this region has special significant to me as you know, my wife is slovania. every one of your nations has an inspiring story. you ve overcome years of oppression and you all are united by the hope that your citizens will flourish, your commerce will prosper and your countries will thrive. that s what is going to happen. because i know the people. there is a spirit of hope that brings us all together. open fair and energy markets bring greater prosperity to all of our to citizens. we are sitting on massive energy and we are now exporters of energy. so whenever you need energy, just give us a call. on on behalf of the american people, let immediate say that we stand with the 3 cs nations. beautiful nations by the way. beautiful country. we support your drive for greater prosperity and security. we applaud your in addition difference to expand infrastructure, we welcome this historic opportunity to deepen our economic partnership with your region. it s been 28 years since your brave sit tcitizens lifted the curtain and defeated communism, yet much of the infrastructure within central and eastern europe has remained a relic of the old soviet era. pretty incredible. your people have been held back by the old roads, rail ways and pipelines that still operate on restricted systems. the 3 cs initiative will transform and rebuild the entire region and ensure that your infrastructure like your commitment to freedom and rule of law binds you to all of europe and indeed to the west. the united states strongly supports the creation of the 3 cs business forum so that your countries can build cutting edge projects with the best talent in the energy industry and do so under budget and ahead of skuof school. i love that sound. underbudget and ahead of schedule. nothing like it. new energy infrastructure is essential. we hope that the 3 cs nations will advance the same goals we re working on to achieve for our people in america. we re doing tremendously well. our stock market just hit an all-time high. we have in 16 years it s the lowest unemployment rate. our military is getting stronger and stronger. we re adding billions and billions of new equipment. the best equipment in the world. we make the best equipment in the world by far. we re adding many billions of dollars of brand new equipment. and the united states is doing very well, very strong. we ve taken off restrictions and people are moving hard. so when i say that the stock market is at an all-time high, we ve picked up in market value almost $4 trillion since november 8th, which was the election. $4 trillion. a lot of money. personally i picked up nothing, but that is all right. everyone else is getting rich. that s okay. i m very happy. greater access to energy markets, fewer barriers to energy trade and development and strengthening energy security is what we re looking to do. the 3 cs initiative has the potential to accomplish all of these essential objectives and very quickly because you have incredible people. and they will get it done quick cannily. i congratulate your nations for already beginning the critical projects that open us up to greater access and you will be totally open and have access to energy markets and remove barriers to energy trade such as floating lng terminal on the croatian island of kirk. did you ever hear of that, right? you know all about that. i ll bet you know all about it. these projects and many others are kruf shal tcrucial to ensur your nations continue to diverse if i your supp suppliers and routes. and i also applaud pursuing a pipeline from the black sea. we just approved the keystone pipeline. it was under consideration for many, many years and it was dead. and i approved it in my first day of office and it s now under construction. and another pipeline be sides that, big ones. dakota access. the united states is proud to see that our abundant energy resources are already helping the 3 cs nations achieve much needed energy diversification. in fact, i want to take this opportunity to congratulate the government and people of poland for receiving their first shipment of u.s. liquefied natural gas last month and you made a very good deal i understand. let me be clear about one crucial point. the krund wiunited states will e energy to coerce your nations. you don t want a monopoly. the united states is firmly committed to open, fair and competitive markets for global energy trade. america will be a faithful and dependable partner in the export and sale of our high quality and low cost energy resources and tech be knowledg nole tech be k. we make the best technology for fighter jets, ships and equipment. all over the world i talk about the greatness of our military equipment and nobody comes close. so when you buy military equipment, hopefully you will be thinking only of the united states. with the expanded trade and new infrastructure, we will unleash incredible energy innovation that is safe, responsible and environmentally friendly.united states supports a common sensitive approach to protecting that will resources. one that responsibly balances economic growth, job creation and energy security. we invite all countries to work with us to achieve this objective and to develop innovative technologies that empower nations around the world to be faithful stewards of their natural resources while lifting millions out of poverty and into great and beautiful futures. the 3 cs initiative will not only empower your people to prosper, but it will ensure that your nation also remain sovereign, secure and free from foreign coermpanerciocoercion. the 3 seas nations will stand stronger than they ever have before. when your nations are strong, all the free nations of europe are stronger and the s stronger as well. it can bring greater paereace, prosperity and safety. this is largely about energy because we are that great good port ex-porter. we ve just become what is going on in our country is incredible. and i hope you take advantage of it by using these resources. i m thrilled to join you today and i want everyone to know that the united states supports your bold efforts. these projects will improve countless lives across the region and throughout the world. america will be your strongest ally and steadfast partner in this truly historic initiative. so congratulations to everybody. and we stand ready, willing and able to help with your energy needs and other needs as they come along. thank you very much. you re looking at live pictures out of warsaw where president trump gave his remarks at what is being describeds a t satisfies the three seas initiative and praising the initiatives as they try to rebuild after years of what he describe bd as oppression. some of those countries obviously part of the soviet influence. so we re now looking at live pictures of the polish president that you 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poland where he addressed among other things this week s intercontinental ballistic missile by north korea. take a listen. in lights of north korea s latest icbm testing, do you think they are beyond redemption or is there a chance that they might make a u-turn and are you willing and ready to launch military action against them? as far as north korea is concerned, i don t know. we ll see what happens. i don t like to talk about what i have planned. but i have some pretty severe things that we re thinking about. that doesn t mean that we will do them. i don t draw red lines. president obama drew a read line and i was the one that made it look a little bit better than it was. but that could have been done a lot sooner and you wouldn t have had the same situation that you ever right now in syria. that was a big mistake. but i think we ll just take a look at what happens over the coming weeks and months with respect to north korea. it s a shame that they are behaving this way, but they are behaving in a very, very dangerous manner and something will have to be done about it. joining us live again keir simmons. good to have you with us. you re in germ ananygermany. tomorrow the big g-20 summit. european leaders watching closely. what are european leaders looking to hear from president trump and do you think given what we just heard in that exchange about north korea, russia and what have you he hit some of those benchmarks for them? reporter: well, what the european leaders would like to hear the most is that president trump specifically reference article 5 of nato which pledges nato including the united states will defend all its members. he appeared to kind of suggest that during the news conference. but perhaps not as explicitly as the europeans would have liked. in terms of north korea, clearly this g-20 summit is happening while what is increasingly looking like an unfolding crisis is taking place in asia. overnight the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley has been pretty straightforward saying that the u.s. reserves the right to take military action and suggesting that if not that, it might look at taking trade action perhaps against china which has the ability to clamp down economically on north korea. and president trump seems to reinforce that, underscore that in his comments saying i have some pretty severe things that we are thinking about and then at the same time in that news conference that you saw as we ve seen so many times the president kind of somewhat diverted by question over fake news and that controversy surrounding his tweet with his wrestling tweet that most people would have seen in relation to cnn. let s take a listen to what he had to say about that. sensitive you started the whole wrestling video thing, what are your thoughts about what has happened since then? cnn went after you and threatened to expose the identity of the person responsible for it. i think what cnn did was unfortunate for them. now they have some pretty serious problems. they have been fake news for a long time. they have been covering me in a very dishonest way. do you have that, also, by the way, mr. president? with cnn and others. nbc is xwaulequally as bad desp the fact that i made them a fortune with at prentiss oth th but they forgot that. cnn are has taken it too seriously and i think that they have hurt themselves very badly. very, very badly. and what we want to see in the united states is honest, beautiful, free but honest press. we want to see fair press. i think it s a very important thing. we don t want fake news. reporter: what we went on to see was a clear example the way the president s comments echo around the world. the polish president using that as an opportunity to criticize some polish media. all of this of course sets the scene for the g-20 that will take place here in hamburg, president trump s most important two meetings aside from meeting with angela merkel will be his meeting with the chinese president xi where north korea will inevitably come up. that could be a tough meeting, that could be an exexplosive meeting honestly. and at the same time, he will then go on to meet with president putin we think tomorrow evening. so many questions that will come up there and perhaps for the u.s. one of the primary ones will be will president trump bring up the question of russian alleged intervention in the u.s. elections. let s talk a little bit on north korea. the president there in that press conference being asked if north korea was beyond redemption. his first answer sort of being we ll see what happens here. but he then went on to say after talking for a little bit that something does have to be done. obviously that subject coming up when he meets with the president of china there and you mentioning of course how tense of a conversation that can be. a lot of the conversations surrounding north korea is does a global coalition has to be formed in order to squeeze north korea out a bit despite the fact that their main resources are coming from china, global coalition do create even a stronger force there. talk to us a little bit about that and what the stakes are there. reporter: look, the consensus is that the u.s. has no good options when it comes to north korea. if you take military action, north korea has its conventional missiles trained on south korea including seoul where millions of people live. thousands of u.s. service maend women are in south korea. so there is that extreme risk from a anything taker intervention by the u.s. as nikki haley the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. seemed to suggest overnight, if you look at taking trade action against china, which might be popular in the u.s. to try to push china to take economic action against north korea, that could ratchet up very, very quickly and for example many u.s. automatic towed manufactuauto manufacturers have huge interests in china. the chinese know that. so if it ends in a trade war with china, that would be extremely economically damaging for north america and the whole world honestly. so there are no good options because at the same time, it is pretty clear now that the north korean leader is determined to gain nuclear a nuclear missile capable of reaching the u.s. mainland and clearly no u.s. president is going to be prepared to accept that. we ll certainly continue you re coverage of the president s visit to poland and of course look forward to the g-20 summit. keir simmons for now, thank you. switching gears a bit, a federal judge are is expected to rule on an emergency motion against the president s limited travel ban. three days after the supreme court s ruling that the administration could begin partially enforcing the executive order, the state department said parents,ing parents in law, spouses, fiances, children and children in law would be exempt from the ban on visas for travel to the u.s. from six muslim countries. but grandparents, aunt, uncles, nieces, nephews and siblings in law would be subject to the ban. on wednesday hawaii and others filed their opposition saying that the federal government is misconstruing the supreme court s partial stay. and also the number of states putting up a fight against the commission on voter fraud is growing as the head of the panel pushes back. by abc news count, 44 states are either declining to release any of the requested data or providing only limited information. the commission is looking for information including voters date of birth, voting history, information on felony convictions and whether they have lived overseas. 19 states both red and blue are refusing to comply with the request citing privacy concerns. while some claim that the fraud panel is politically motivated. 26 states are saying they plan to only hand over what is deemed public information by their respective state laws. six states say they have yet to receive the commission s request or are still reviewing it. speaking with msnbc yesterday, kentucky secretary of state am police s alison grimes a democrat put a fine point on her refusal to comply. the commission has received a reception nationwide that hasn t been positive. as my grandmother used to say, it s about as welcoming as a breeze off an outhouse. vice chairman of the voter fraud commission is disputing that states are refusing to cooperate calling it fake news. in a statement released yesterday, he says in part, quote, despite media distortions and obstruction by a handfulle of state politicians, this bipartisan commission on election integrity will continue its work to gather the facts through public records requests to ensure the integrity of each american s vote because the public has a right to know. but in an op-ed in the washington post, michael chertoff writes that president trump s voter data request poses a gank danger to national security saying hackers could steal that data. so far the fourth of july recess is not bringing senate republicans any closer to an agreement on health care. senator john mccain says yesterday that he would not support the repeal now replace later approach that the white house and other republicans have suggested. quote, i fear we may fall under the trap of repealing and not replacing and that would be bad for america. this always other gop members continue to face protests with several scheduled for the district offices of mitch mcconnell, jeff flake, marco rubio, pat toomey and rob portman. and its not just republicans. maria cantwell hosted a town hall where some of the loudest applause came after audience members called for a single payor health care system. audience members shouted for her to get behind bernie sanders promised medicaid for all bill when he introduces it. senator sanders will be holding two rallies this sunday in morgantown, west virginia and covington, kentucky. on still ahead, a congressman is forced to apologize after being shamed at what he did at a notorious c 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cancercenter.com/experts and it s also a story mail aabout people and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you . a member of congress is having to apologize after fill himming a video of himself at a concentration camp. gabe guttierez reports. reporter: it s not what clay higgins said, but where that is stirring outrage. this five minute video sharing on his facebook page was recorded inside a former nazi death camp in poland. as he tours a gas chamber, higgins warns the u.s. should be more aggressive in fighting terrorism. homeland security must be squared away. reporter: museum officials scolded the congressman saying there should be mournful silence, it s not a stage. anti-defamation league and anne frank center also took notice. it was pure and simple a grotesque exploitation of the holocaust. how dare congressman higgins use auschwitz at his own personal tv studio. reporter: he says my intent was to offer a refer rent homage to those who were murdered. my sincere apology for any unintended pain is extended.ren to those who were murdered. my sincere apology for any unintended pain is extended. this is not the first time he s courted controversy. in a facebook post last month, he wrote that the free world is the a war with islamic horror and when it comes to radicalized suspects, the u.s. should kill them all. the united states is more accessible to terror like this. reporter: he is it apologetic after critics say this message went too far. thank you to gabe guttierez for that reporting. hobby lobby is having to pay out millions of dollars after being caught smuggling thousands of artifacts out of rank. t iraq. despite warnings in 2010 that some of the items they sought to buy were lewded from historic ci sites, the retailed are paid $1.6 million for items and many shiped marked as clay tile samples. the company will have to return the pieces and pay out $3 million. the company s president says they fully complied with the federal investigation. back in the u.s. in the dry heat of summer wildfires are beginning to pop up out west. near breckenridge, colorado, nearly 500 homes have been evacuated and the entire town is on alert. the peak 2 wildfire is expected to flare up again today since it started yesterday morning. it has expanded to about 84 acres. and with that we turn to weather with bill karins. welcome back. good morning. the fire season out west will be a long one. we re already in a very hot weather pattern. it s dry and if we stay this hot and dry, all the vegetation from the wet winter, look be out late summer and early fall. today, 13 million people at risk. if you are in wisconsin, iowa or northern illinois, including chicago, wind damage is your threat late this afternoon into this evening. we have a storm moving through kentucky. you can see the showers in tennessee and kentucky hit and miss, and the warm front from washington, d.c. down to norfolk, virginia beach, a lot of wet weather in this area and that will continue through the morning. so probably one of the worst drives out there is around d.c. you can see the rain moving around the beltway. this is 7:00 a.m., storms over lieu advice and the rain around d.c. by the afternoon, it breaks up around the nation s capital. just hit and miss. worst of it this morning. we ll track this rain from 4:00 p.m. through this evening, so you probably get another round in d.c. and baltimore overnight. and then 8:00 a.m. tomorrow morning around philadelphia, possibly new york city, long island, hit and miss showers and storms also. and we mentioned the heat and wildfires out west. 101 again in salt lake city, phoenix 113, 90s in the middle of the country. so this is the time of year where it s either really hot or maybe you re lucky enough to get some rain and showers and thunderstorms. really not too much in between. thanks, bill. still ahead, south korea carrying out a third day of military exercises in the wake of north korea s latest missile launch. we ll go live to saul for the soul you oig foilg for theo tensions. noo introducing the easiest way to get gillette blades text blades to gillette on demand text to reorder blades with gillette on demand. .and get $3 off your first order trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief. but their nutritional needs (vremain instinctual.d, that s why there s purina one true instinct. nutrient-dense, protein-rich, real meat number one. this is a different breed of nutrition. purina one, true instinct. welcome back, everybody. we are covering the other big story of the day and an increased sense of urgency to find some sort of diplomatic agreement to pressure north korea off its nuclear course. for more, let s go now live to nbc s janice in seoul. the presidents now is accusing north korea of very, very bad behavior. so far, though, u.s. pressure doesn t seem to be moving two major players on this issue, russia and china. any change of the horizon with these two countries? it s unlikely that any resolution that the had u.s. puts forward to the u.n. security council is going to get approval from either russia or china. they both hold a veto, as well. china assumed the presidency of the u.n. security council for the month of july. the position of china and russia on north korea state remains that there needs to be concessions on both sides, that the u.s. and south korea need to back off from their joint military drills that provoke north korea every year. as well, north korea needs to halt the testing of its nuclear and weapons programs. ambassador nikki haley talk about some of the measures that might go into a u.s. plan to apply diplomatic pressure, specifically targeting countries that trade with north korea. china wasn t mentioned specifically, but 90% of north korea s trade is with china. and also talking about perhaps restricting access to foreign currently and restricting oil shipments. so, again, that s why china becomes a player because most of the imports that north korea gets from comes from china. it puts a lot of pressure and puts all eye owes that meeting that president trump is supposed to have with china s president xi jinping at the sidelines of the g20 summit. president trump will likely try to persuade xi jinping to do more, but as ever, he s unlikely to gain much. there s going to be a lot to watch tomorrow as those leaders will be in the same place at the same time. thank you for that, janice. secretary of state rex tillerson says isis has been badly wounded in syria. he also signaled the u.s. is ready to collaborate more with russia on ending the syrian civil war. in a statement released last night, he said, quote, the united states is prepared to explore the possibility of establish, russia joint mechanisms for ensuring stability, including no-fly zones, on the ground cease-fire observers and coordinated delivery of human tear yar services. we ve talked about our relationship with russia previously. and we ve characterized it as being at a very low point. we have been engaged with russia for some time now to identify area that we should have mutual interest. syria certainly is one. the this is where we begin to rebuild an effort to build confidence between ourselves and russia at the military level .also the diplomatic level. so i think it is an effort that serves both of our interests as well as broader interests of the international community. we hope that this is going to be the beginning of other important areas that need to be addressed in order to strengthen our relationship. but we re at the very beginning and i would say at this point it s difficult to say exactly what russia s intentions are in this 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