happy easter to those of you celebrating. we have a lot of politics to get to. but first, the growing tension between the united states and north korea. north korea last night launched a ballistic missile from the submarine base in sinpo, but the missile exploded minutes after launch. this happened as mike pence landed in south korea for talks on how to counter the growing nuclear ambitions and he spoke to american troops at a breakfast there this morning. i m joined by senior national security analyst juan duarte, the failure, the new york times this morning leans hard into the idea that the failure wasn t necessarily a north korean failure, but maybe sabotage and possibly sabotage from the united states. what can you say? this is a missile program that s been replete with failures. and the challenge is we don t know yet. it could be sabotage. it could be poor engineering or bad luck. it s the nature of the missile programs but it s clear that many trump voters though are forgiving. at least for now. i think he does see things differently. as all of us would if we had the responsibility. we just see the tip of the iceberg. but facing a unified democratic opposition with an uncomplicated message, not trump. republicans on defense ahead of 2018 are struggling to define what it even means to be a trump republican when mr. trump s views keep changing. i m my only man. i m not going to be told tdo by one president or another how to represent the state of arizona. and joining me now is the chairman of the senate armed services committee, john mccain of arizona. senator mccain, welcome back to meet the press. thanks, chuck. thanks for having me back. i want to start with north korea. why would i call china a currency manipulator when they re working with us on the north korean problem? we will see what happens. why does china s currency policy have anything to do with north korea? should it have anything to do with the north korea? it may be part of the overall relationship, but china is the key. china is the key. they can stop this if they want to because of their control over the north korean economy. and by the way i would point out i know this will come out later on, but there are artillery on the border between north and south korea that can reach seoul. we can t take them all out this is this may be the first test of this presidency. but china can shut them down. whether they re currency manipulators or not, we should expect them to act to prevent what could be a cataclysmic event and the north koreans keep making progress. they had a failure yesterday. i m not sure do you buy the sabotage thing? i don t think so, but i wouldn t rule it out. but at the same time, they have made steady progress. while we have made agreement after agreement after agreement. chuck, how many times on this show have we said, we have now a comprehensive agreement with noh korea and so i m not blaming trump for this. i m blaming republican and democrat presidents over the last 20 years while they have continued to make progress. is the carrot and stick approach with china worth doing? is using our trade practices or these conversations about currency worth having these debates in order to influence them on north korea? to prevent north korea from having a missile with a nuclear weapon that could strike the united states and we would have to rely on our ability to intercept and by the way i m told that we have that ability is still risky business. this is this is really very serious. this guy in north korea is not rationale. his father and grandfather were much more rational than he is. when you re dealing within a irrational actor, with north korea the military option is on the table but when you re dealing with an irrational actor, does that make the military option something you don t want to deal with because you don t know how he s going to respond? i think with the proximity of the north korean artillery to seoul, a city of how many millions of people? but at the same time, to risk a situation where they have that ability and we rely on our ability to intercept, this could be the first test, real test, of the trump presidency. by the way, i believe that he ll get very good advice from mattis and from mcmaster. let me move on and a bigger picture and what we ve learned about president trump and his foreign policy. in your hometown paper it was writing about the syria decision. it was a completely ad hoc decisions and my guess is that s the way that foreign policy is going to be conducted under trump. a series of ad hoc decisions based on what seems right or doable at the time. at the end of the day to borrow from winston churchill, there he said look, he obviously isn t probably going to be part of the solution. but he stopped short of that. why? because i don t think he s absolutely sure what he needs to do. but i would point out of the 400,000 men, women and children who were slaughtered, they weren t slaughtered by isis. they were slaughtered by bashar al assad. the war crimes are horrendous here. and to just say we re only after isis in my view rather than regime change is something that we have to rethink. i want to talk about the overall changes. you said he s growing. yes. in office. there are some who will say, no, the washington establishment sucked him in. i hope so. okay. no, on national security, i do believe he s assembled a strong team and i think very appropriately he s listening to them. and that s the area of course where i am but i want to go quickly on the washington consensus, not everybody thinks the washington consensus on foreign policy has worked in the middle east over the last 25 years. it hasn t. you ve right, it hasn t. but it wast causof the people around him no in ft, if evious president for eight years we basically did nothing in response to some of the most horrendous war crimes in history. at least he did something. now i hope that there will be a strategy to follow that up. and look, america is about a moral superiority and our willingness not to fight every fight, but at least respond to horrendous acts of inhumanity and war crimes. also, by the way, syria will continue to have the spread of al qaeda if we don t get take care of bashar al assad. senator john mccain, unfortunately i have to leave it there. thanks for having me. you have been here on a few times. time flies when you re having fun. there you go. earlier this week, the u.s. military dropped the so-called mother of all bombs against isis fighters in afghanistan. president trump who has turned over more decision making to the pentagon was asked if he personally authorized that action. here s what he said. did you authorize it, sir? everybody knows what exactly what happened and what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done their job as usual. so so we have given them total authorization. that s what they re doing. well, joining me is senator jack reed, democrat from rhode island and the ranking member of the senate armed services committee. he and senator mccain do a lot of work together. welcome back to the show. thanks. let me start with north korea and get to the issue of the unpredictability aspect of president trump. is there on this specific issue when it comes to north korea, is there an argument that that s an asset and not a liability? i don t think long term it s an asset. i think you have to have a deliberate plan. i think you have a strategy. i think as senator mccain indicated, china is key to that strategy. they have the economic leverage. they re the biggest trader with north korea. in fact, their trade is going up last year and they have indirectly provided some of the electronics so if china can be brought to the point that they re putting pressure constantly on north korea, there s an opportunity i think to try to freeze their system and then roll them back. but that has to be a long term deliberate day by day strategy. one of the things about the president he s getting good military advice from general mattis and general mcmaster, but he needs a much stronger state department. i want to ask about this and you talked about his relationship with general mattis. somebody you supported. his confirmation. yes. and in the opening bite there in your introduction i noted about how the president didn t sign off himself personally on the dropping of the so-called mother of all bombs. he has given more leeway to his military leaders to make these decisions. are you comfortable with that? well, these authorities have been are given over the last several years. they have increased. in fact, when general nicholson was before the committee he said he was satisfied with the authority he had and i assumed this is not a new authority. it was something he was authorized. deploying a particular weapons system. right. but there was a comment that said, look, in the previous administration, we wouldn t have dropped this without at least alerting the white house. in this one we don t have to alert the white house. that that is the essentially that s essentially changed. are you comfortable with that change? i think there has to be communication obviously between the white house and their field commanders on the constant basis. that s generally routed through the security council. i think in this case, general nicholson decided the weapon was appropriate for the tunnel complex. in fact, there are no reports of civilian casualties so the operation i think he deemed as something that was appropriate, well within his authority. he might have informed someone, but i don t think he went out of the way to do it. obviously anything we do in afghanistan is covered by the war author assist passed a long time ago. there s still some question about whether anything we do in syria falls under that. do you think it does or doesn t? i think with the pursuit of isis in syria, that is covered by the map. it s an extension, but the route is we re extending that from many, many years now. but going after isis i think within the providence of the map other actions going after assad would not fall under that map? i don t think so. i think going after assad in the deliberate concentrated effort to conduct the military operations would require the authorization of congress. i think the tack that the president took was i agree with the tack, was done under his prerogative as responding to an incident, horrible incident. the right or the ability of the nations to protect the vulnerable populions. i think anything further should be considered by the congress. would you support sending more troops to syria? i think the president would have to lay out a plan, a clear plan. the ad hoc nature of what he does, the kind of the flip-flops which seemed dramatic this week suggest incoherence in foreign policy. i think he s trying to come to grips with these things. he doesn t seem to be someone that follows through with the deliberate planning process you need. he has to come to congress and to the american people and explain what he s doing. are you comforted by the flip-flops? all of them were moves from outside the washington consensus to within the washington consensus, nato, how to deal with china. does that comfort you? i think it s recognizing in many cases the obvious what he has to do. i think with respect to china, you know, their key role in north korea potentially can t be sort of jeopardized by going after them as currency manipulators. in fact, there s some evidence that they re not doing that recently. one time they were. right. but i think these things are be more comforting if they were not sort of off the cuff, unexplained or glibly announced, but rather the conscious deliberation and by the president. i think also too one of the things we have got to recognize is the growing sort of disenchantment with russia. but that disenchantment also has to be reflected in serious concentration on the election in 2016 and what they did here. because they re still operating today in europe, using those same information techniques, et cetera. we have elections coming up. we can not allow the russians to be part of our electoral process. so that s a something he has to focus on. right now he has to accept it happened. exactly. that s one of those things that that would be a great improvement in his situation. accept it happened. and then move very aggressively for the good of the country to see what happened in 16 so that we re prepared and protected for 18 and beyond. senator jack reed, from rhode island, good to have you here. thank you for coming on to share your views. when we come back, the trump administration get tough policy on illegal immigration. if you re here illegally you should be deported. but john kelly says that it is a complicated problem with no easy solutions and congress needs to step in. what, you think we own stock in the electric company? 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[ chuckles ] all right. movantik may interact with them causing side effects. why hold it in? have your movantik moment. talk to your doctor about opioid-induced constipation. if you can t afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. guests can earn a how cafree night when theypring book direct on choicehotels.com and stay with us just two times? spring time. badda book. badda boom. or. badda bloom. seriously? or. badda bloom. book now at choicehotels.com or another. i would argue, chuck, that we have to straighten this t. and i thin i place that squarely on the united states congress. it s a hugely complex series of laws and i get an awful i engage the hill quite a bit. and i get a lot of i get an earful about what i should do and what i shouldn t do. but it all comes down to the law, doesn t it? we are a nation of laws. i would hope that the congress fixes a lot of these problems. okay. you say it s on congress, but there are others who say if you enforce the law on the books. so what is the issue? are the laws on the books hard to enforce and they need to be changed? is that what you re saying here? well, the laws on the books are pretty straightforward. if you here illegally you should leave or should be deported. put through the system. but there are 11 million people and it s very complicated. there are people who came here as children. there are people who came here illegally many years ago and they have married local men and women who have children. and it s a complicated problem, but the law is the law. given but i don t have unlimited capacity to execute is it the best use of money? is this the resources you need, you need to hire more people to deal with this issue? is that your number one problem? i think so. the people you know, it s two aspects. i.c.e. operates more or less on the interior and, you know, through targeted actions against illegal aliens plus. what i mean by that is just because you re in the united states illegally doesn t necessarily get you targeted. it s got to be something else. we re operating on the other end of the spectrum, multiple convictions define a criminal here. that s so it seems as if on the obama administration, there was one definition. there seems to be another definition in this administration. is that fair to say? it is fair to say that the definition of criminal is not has not changed, but where on the spectrum of criminality we opate has changed. so can you give me an example of somebody that wasn t deported before that you re deporting now? well, as an example, multiple duis. even a single dui depending on other aspects would get you into the system. but remember for this wouldn t have been the case under the previous administration? you have to remember that there s a system a legal justice system in place and the law deports people. secretary kelly doesn t. i.c.e. doesn t. it s the united states, you know, criminal justice system or justice system that deports people. i want to go back to the 11 million. it seems that the bigger problem you re dealing with is not the border, it s visa overstays. it s a big problem. big problem. is that what you need you need i.c.e. agents to do that? is that what you need the extra resources for? all of that. it s a big problem. it s a lot of people out there that need to be taken into custody and deported according to the law. visa overstays, quite a large number of the illegals that are in the country that are in fact visa overstays. and we do we just completed i think a targeted they just completed, i.c.e. just completed a targeted operation going after overstays. it s time-consuming. but at the end of the day, they came here with the promise to leave and we have to track them down. if they re still in the country and put them in the proceedings to deport them. i guess i m going at this with the money for the border wall would be better spent of going after the visa overstays and would that deal with the problem that president trump campaigned on? you have to secure the border somehow, first and foremost. but the very, very good news, for a lot of the different reasons, the number of illegal aliens moving up from the south has dropped off precipitously. i mean, we re down 65, 70% in the last two months. these are the months that we should see a steep incline in illegal movement. it s down by almost 70%. do you think that s been the president s rhetoric on the campaign and saying, well, he won, it s tougher to get across the border? certainly. is that contributing certainly. some of the other things we have done on the border. just my going down to the border on several occasions, you know that jeff sessions was just down there, the attention being paid to the border certainly has injected into these people and a vast majority of them are good people from central america, but it s injected enough confusion in their minds, i think, and just waiting to see what actually does happen. you as head of south com, the southern military command, your previous job before this, you were testifying on these issues during the time we had the surge of central american immigration through mexico. and i remember at the time you said, hey, i stop at the essentially the guatemala border there. your purview. but you talked about the difficulty you re trying to find partners at the time in central america to help you with this and the u.s. drug consumption the u.s. drug consumers you thought as part of the problem in this. explain. drug consumption in the united states is the problem. just cocaine alone, when you consider the massive amounts of profit that come out of the united states, the trafficker s biggest problem is not getting drugs till now into the united states. the biggest problem they have is laundering the money. so when you have that much profit coming out of the united states and that profit is managed by cartels that are beyond violent and so you go to you go to the latin american countries, mexico, the united states for that matter, you mentioned corruption already, the kind of money they can offer an attorney general in guatemala or a police chief in mexico city, the kind of money they can offer, if you don t take the money, they re happy to send your you know, your youngest child s head to your home in a plastic bag. you said though the hypocrisy aspect of it it is. meaning the central american countries, is the idea of for instance marijuana legalization, does that help your problem? or hurt your problem? marijuana is not a factor in the drug world. this really is a cocaine and in some cases the opioid sort of copycats? it s three things. methamphetamine, almost all produced in mexico. heroin, virtually all produced in mexico and cocaine that comes up from further south. those three drugs result in the death of i think last year 52 i think 52,000 people to include opioids. it s a massive problem. 52,000 americans you can t put a price on the human misery, the costs to the united states is over $250 billion a year. the solution is not arresting a lot of users. the solution is a comprehensive drug demand reduction program in the united states that involves every man and woman of goodwill. and he went on to say that congress needs to be working on this. i also asked secretary kelly about the fight against isis and that mother of all bombs in afghanistan. you can hear his answer on the entire interview which is posted on the website. meet the press.com. from syria to the fate of obamacare, what are we to make of president trump s evolving positions? 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growing into the job maybe. on issues like nato, i think everyone knew that we weren t going to pull out of nato. everyone knew and understood that his rhetoric was in one place in the campaign and then it was going to be met with a reality. that nato serves a function, has great value, is important to our strategic alliances around the world. a lot is just the campaigner coming to the oval office and recognizing what s real, what s doable. look, some of it on the domestic policy issues like bank or currency manipulation is going to kick back on the trump base because they don t expect that kind of thing to happen. here s andy sullivan, what on earth is the point of trying to understand him when there s nothing to understand? he has no guiding policy, no consistency at all. just whatever makes him feel good about himself this second. he therefore believes what bizarre nonfact he can cook up in the addled head or what the last person said. harsher response, andrea. i disagree. i think he likes to win and he s seen over the course of the last weeks that he wins when he listens to jared kushner, when he lists importantly we break into regular programming to take you to korea, on the peninsula on the demilitarized zone, you see here live pictures of the vice president mike pence just arriving, landing in a helicopter. he s been there for the better part of a day, arriving into south korea for meetings as well as he did attend some easter sunday services and activity sets. vice president mike pence, of course, there, a day after a missile test that failed in north korea, about in the northeastern section of north korea. and he s now in the demilitarized zone, a space that is just a sliver separating the north and the south. north korea and south korea, now in the midst of an armistice, still technically at war. now, the dmz, the demilitarized zone, he s close to it or in the zone itself right now, in the zone, when you do arrive, there is a building where there were meetings that were held between the north and the south, it is basically a time capsule, going back decades of when there was a different time, the north, the communists, the south, and the western united states, where they would meet and negotiate and discuss issues relevant at the time to the post armed conflict that had been happening during the korean war. we re now many decad later, bu vice president pence now visiting the dmz, the demi demilitarized zone, a space you actually, if you look over, it is completely green. there are no buildings. it is a space that the two sides, north korea and south korea stare each other down hour after hour and as was expected, he s not in the dmz technically. there is an approach zone. you arrive at gates. and we re taking the pictures live. you can see the camera is resetting as vice president mike pence is getting into his vehicle and if this camera does actually refocus and redirect towards where the vice president is, he will be making his way towards the zone itself. this, again, a day after the missiles, one missile was tested, it was believed to be a medium range missile. could have been a solid fuel missile and that was one of the thoughts. this is from moments ago as he was arriving off a helicopter and moving into his suv and then moving actually in physically to the dmz, but the dmz has a buffer zone in the south, in south korea. the important point to make here is that seoul, south korea, is just 30 miles from here. which means so is north korea. this is why the two sides, the north and the south, as you look at some of the allied forces here, the south korean armed forces as well, meeting the vice president, they work together with the united states, and u.s. forces some 28,000 close to 30,000 based in south korea, they often annually conduct practices together and this is right before mike pence does get into a vehicle and head into the demilitarized zone prop proper. he s spending almost a day there as we speak, watching pictures from moments ago. we ll continue to keep an eye on this as the vice president makes his way to the dmz. if we have more information in terms or pictures themselves, of his activity set there, we will get that to you here on msnbc. we ll take a short break and return to regular programming. 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religion is an internal kind of thing that gets to the heart and the mind and politics is the outworking of the values and the things that are inside you, and soy see them very connected actually. sometimes i wonder if we overthought the phrase, rabbi. you can separate them into partisan politics and reopitic, and they are interwoven with religion and in other words, when we talk about the poor and the vulnerable, and the biblical command to welcome in the stranger of the midst and protect them as ourselves and to protect god s creation, a and we are talking about the global warming, and the migrant policy, and so just as they with woven together and the prophets and the jesus of nazareth and everybody addressed the issue s in their time, we are so compelled to address it in ours. and pastor, you have not been afraid of politic, and rabbi obviously, but talk about some of the fellow pastors and bishops and rabbis? well, it is a thin line that you have to walk, because primarily people don t come to church to have you espouse religious believes. and they tell you the stick to faith. and stay away from the politics. yes, and in the black congressgressions, they have a different expectation of the people who are voiceless lesof voiceless, and i thood grow into the fact that my responsibility was to represent the parishioner s issues and concerns without getting nuanced into the individual behind politics, but you do it at least have to confront the issues that are affecting your congregation. and pastor, where are you on this? yeah, i m thinking about the people in the church who want to know how the think bib lilicall and so when they come to church, they are wrestling, because biblical illiteracy is increasing and so they are telling us not what to think, but but how the think. and as some synagogues are sanctuaries. yes. that is a big political statement for a synagogue to make, and some congregants view it as, oh, you are taking sides. that is the paradox, because when we are feeding hungry people in our food programs and we are sheltering the homeless people in our homeless shelter or the programs, and we are welcoming the refugee, the stranger, the bible tells us that we should treat of ourselves in providing the shelter to them and sanctuary of them, we are living out the religious ideals and we have a pastoral responsibility to our parishioners, and so we have to not compromise our ability to do that, but with reteachers and leaders and the one who exemplifies how to apply our traditional values to the world about it is a difficult tight rope to walk but we have to encompass both of the responsibilities. you believe that you would be punished more if you ignored the politics? well, it is consequences, and you can t walk out of the faith and ignore the environment in which your faith is exemplified and it is not an issue of the the you are going to be taking it on, but you have to look at how, and you have to understand that you are not going to be misunderstood or become silent and not heard at all. and maybe the evangelicals are going to set aside the moral outrage of bill clinton from donald trump? wow, that is hard one. i think that the moral underpinnings of the country and of our faith are challenged when these things, when a candidate trump talks about those things about women, and that is personally offensive to me, but i am not called upon to go to the pulpit and express my vies s of myself and i have to look at it from a a wider context of the scripture and what does the bible talk about how women are to be treated and how we should honor one another, and that is the message and not delve into the political specifics and bring it back to the human and deeper human issue, and how are we dealing with that and what are the ways in which we do the same thing. do any of you see the rise of secularism as a rejection of the faith leaders or faiths and what is the rise to secularism to? well, you know, a lot of times, i am not sure that the rise is as high as some media purports that it is, and i think that faith has in many cases retreated back behind private walls, and i m seeing a rejection of organized religion. the pew research suggests that millennials are retreating and not that they don t have faith, but they don t express it in the way that the parents have. and the the challenge of people of faith is not so much to wrestle against the secularism, but to remain relevant in a society that has lost faith in all institutions. and the onus is on us to recreate ourselves without losing sight of the core principles and values. pastor? yes, and i am thinking when you say that, bishop, is how we have made heaven here especially in the west. we don t need to relate to that theology of heaven and rescue and salvation the way we always did, because what do we have to be rescued from, and we have everything that you need here and if you go to africa and the developing countries in the global south and there is no secularism there, because there is no development there or no personal wealth there, and so they are looking to god for everything that they have and there is such a joy in that and it reveals the joy of the human heart. so you see the rise of the sek cularism as a benefit of th society. yes, and what it is going to do is to layer over the needs of real people s hearts. church, andly bow the you guys r on this, but when people come into the crisis, they still come to the church. we are there in the crisis moments people ves, and at the sick bed, the wedding altar or the divorce court and there in the spaces where where people are hurting and the money can t help it, and the secular things that we have enveloped ourselves in can t save you. well, that is a full conversation for you. that is bishop t.j. jakes and pastor joanne hummel and rabbi david. and so we hope that you have a happy passover and easter, and go wizards. if it is meet the press it is end game. you can see more end game on the msnbc facebook page. it s over. i ve found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something. set it free. see you around, giulia toddlers see things a bit undifferently with pampers easy ups they ll see a stretchy waistband you ll see pampers superior protection and you ll both see an easy way to underwear pampers easy ups if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you re talking to your rheumatologist about a medication. .this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain. .and protect my joints from furtheramage. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira works by targeting and helping to. .block a specific source. .of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. it s proven to help relieve pain and. .stop further joint damage in many adults. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas. .where certain fungal infections are common and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. talk to your doctor and visit humira.com this is humira at work. youany profession,ob, image matters. i want some gray.but not too much. only touch of gray uses oxygen to gently blend away some gray, but not all for that perfect salt and pepper look. satisfaction guaranteed. just you and the look you want. just for men touch of gray dad likare you going to weeks be using my car? 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i like what the house did. but we re going to do our own bill and start from scratch on all of that. at the briefing a short time ago, i asked the principal deputy who made her debut. let s listen in. on the process of getting the american healthcare act through the senate, there s some talk they may have to go back to the drawing board. it s a heavy left getting the hda through the house. does the president expect the process in the senate could be even more difficult? i think that the one thing that you can be sure of is to never underestimate this president. he s shown time and time again when he s committed to something, it s going to get done. he s made no secret. he s committed to reforming the healthcare system. you ll see that process take place. the main pillar that sarah huckabee sanders was talking about, quality healthcare, access to healthcare and a lower price and more consistencconsis. people are waiting to see in the next phase, the idea of going across state lines for your healthcare. we ll watch for that. what did the white house have to say about how the bill handles people with pre-existing conditions? this is a big question that a lot of critics have. the way it s crafted, it allows states to seek a waiver from the mandates of essential healthnd conditions. the president has said on repeated occasions that it absolutely has to cover pre-existing conditions to people that already have an illness have to have access to healthcare. that s one of the reasons why fred upton of michigan and billy long of missouri came to the white house the other day, because they shared the same concerns. they came up with the plan that would designate a pot of money towards premium support for people with pre-existing conditions. sarah huckabee sanders on that point. one of the biggest priorities of this bill particularly for the president was ensuring that people with pre-existing conditions were protected. the final bill added an additional $8 billion to go a step further. the big question is whether or not $8 billion is enough to cover all the people that had pre-existing conditions. the white house suggesting, harris, the number of people that go into premium support could be very small compared to the overall population. you know what? i want you to stay where you are. we want more from john roberts. the labor department says the jobless rate hit the lowest point in a decade last month. the feds say unemployment was 4.4% in april. i m working with john thune on an amendment to address that right now. medicaid, we have to make sure it works for the states that took the expansion. ohio senator rob portman not pulling any punches saying he has serious issues with the house bill. he said i already made clear i don t support the bill as constructed because i can t to have concerns that this bill doesn t do enough to protect ohio s medicaid expansion population and those receiving treatment for heroin and prescription drug abuse . there s 52 republicans in the senate. portman and just about everybody else is really important, harris. the american public that voted like single issue on this is kind of anticipating that this is how it works, right? they go around around make some changes. people are not talking about are the democrats and all of the bipartisanship that they talked about was possible in all of this. it will be i m curious to see how it works out. what is next in the senate? 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chris wallace, good to see you. this is one of the big talkers for americans. they anticipate in washington, they ll go back and forth with changes. i want your view on what people should be bracing for or ready for. well, there s going to be winners and losers. let s make it clear at the start. this is assuming that the house bill becomes the law. it won t become the law as you just reported. there will be changes in the senate. assuming what was passed by the house yesterday became the law, there would be winners and losers. young healthy people would be better off. their premiums would go down. older people, their premiums would go up. people with pre-existing conditions, it s not clear. they would have more to worry about than under obamacare, whether it was a flat regulation, you could not charge people with pre-existing conditions any more than people that did have the conditions. harris: i asked our team here to get a list. this will vary by state. lupus, alcohol abuse, alzheimer s, arthritis. the list is long in pre-existing conditions and could vary by states for the reasons that you spoke of. a last word on that and then we ll move on. a lot we don t know in this in the house bill because of the fact that some states would decide to live by the federal mandates that will continue to ban any discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions. but there s state waivers. if states can justified to the federal government, they can drop out of a lot of these things, pre-existing conditions, essential health benefits. there s this insurance mandate under obamacare that everything from mental health to maternity care, all have to be covered in every insurance policy. if states decide to take the waiver, they can say we ll take this part of the essential benefits and drop them. and an insurance company in oklahoma can say we re not going to live by the essential benefits in oklahoma. we re going to take the essential benefits in arizona. so it really is going to be a very different and much more checkered playing field than what you have under obamacare. harris: sure. then you have the players like rand paul, the senators, ted cruz that said you have to repeal it all and start over. you have mayor key people that we need to watch. you have lisa murkowski of alaska that doesn t like the medicaid point. let s talk about the six or seven senators to keep our eye on and what we re watching for. on the one hand, you have the hardliners. rand paul, ted cruz, mike lee. they were quiet yesterday. they didn t say it doesn t go far enough. in the past they have said they don t want government regulation of healthcare. even with this bill, with all the changes, repeal and replace, a lot of government regulation of healthcare. so it will be interesting to see how far they re willing to go or are they going to push for more. on the other hand, you have more moderate people, like lisa murkowski of alaska. harris: susan collins. she s another one. yeah. particularly in states that agreed to the medicaid expansion, which meant that people that previously haven t been covered by medicaid now were because they were above an income level. they re worried medicaid expansion will be rolled back if the house bill becomes law and they have hundreds of thousands of constituents in their states that have healthcare coverage under obamacare that would lose it with the roll back of medicaid expansion. they re not going to want to see that happen. that really gets tough. that is one of the things that absolutely had to happen in the house. remember, whatever the senate comes back with and dramatically different than the house, then they have to find a way to reconcile in a conference committee the senate version and the house version. as we saw the house version, which is more conservative than the senate version, it passed with one vote. anything to change the bill changes the balance of power in the house. harris: so those are potentially republicans on the bubble. what about democrats? anybody that could be pulled over? there s some that are talking about it. john tesser of montana, some of the conservative democrats, particularly those that are facing re-election in states that donald trump won facing re-election in 2018 in the mid-terms. i have to tell you, there s not been a democrat so far that has gone with this. yes, i understand that it s hard to oppose president trump in a state that he carried if you re a democrat. on the other hand, it s hard to go something called obamacare repeal and replace if you re a democrat. you ll lose a lot of your own voters in your state. harris: while you were talking, president trump tweeted this out. of course the australians have better healthcare than we do. everybody does. obamacare is date but healthcare will soon be great. this has just gone out. we ve been keeping up with him, as we all do. especially on a friday afternoon after his deputy press secretary has spoken to the media. we get new information. i want the get your response to that before i let you go. yeah, well, what this is about is that yesterday in his meeting with the australian prime minister, the president said well, i have to admit you have better health insurance now than we do. he went on to say but ours will get better after this repeal and replace. the key there, this is what people like bernie sanders noted, the australian plan is single payer like in britain and canada. while the president and his people are saying, he was being polite to the prime minister, they re saying, well, yeah, single player government-run healthcare is better than any system than we ll have under obamacare repeal and replace. harris: democrats are saying, wait, did you say single payer? around and around we go. chris wallace, i know what i m doing. i m watching you. thank you. chris will have the latest on the healthcare battle on fox news sunday with reince priebus. that s sunday on your local fox broadcast station. pentagon officials say iran and north korea may be working together on their weapons programs. one analyst says iran is copying north korea s missile design. i ll speak with jack keane coming up. we ll talk about that. stay with us. when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd, he told me to look at this grid every day. and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything. how to brush his teeth. 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oh, yeah. overwhelmingly so. this is a 20-plus year close relationship. the iranians are following the north korean playbook about as close as you can. the north koreans in the 90s negotiated to us, lying about their nuclear intentions. they went back to developing a nuclear weapon. in 2003, they declared they had it. the iranians saying they re only building nuclear power for energy, not weapons. they had secret sites. what happened in iran, we found them because of informants. they were exposed. they followed the exact playbook. their missiles are exact replicas by and large of north korean missiles. their nuclear technology is north korean technology. they both want to have nuclear weapons to be sure. the iranians have never given up on that. they both want ballistic missile s and fire them from the surface and subsurface. north korean is leading the technology effort on all of that. harris: general, the american public has been told to believe there s so many immediate imminent threats. first it was the islamic state savages. talk about the urgency now and the reporting that we re also witnessing in this era about iran and north korea. well, iran, i believe, is a major threat in the middle east. middle more so than radical islamics that are a clear threat. we see the evidence of that all the time. they run around the world killing people. the iranians are a more serious threat. they have conventional military, they have missiles, developing ballistic missiles and they want a nuclear weapon. according to the deal that the previous administration made, they are likely to get nuclear weapons unless this administration puts a stop to it. so yes, that is a major concern for us. the iranians threat in the middle east and the north korean threat in the far east and our bases and our allies also a major threat to us. harris: are you confident that president trump gets this? i want to talk with you about the news that he dropped. that is that he s getting ready to make his first trip as president overseas and he s going to the middle east. the very place you re talking about right now. how does that inform you about the confidence that you may have in this president moving forward? first of all, he absolutely gets the danger of both of these threats. all of his national security advisers have been speaking out about the threats. obviously the president put the military option back on the table and is negotiating with the chinese. that s a plus. this trip to the middle east is a big deal. he making a statement that the middle east is a priority for me. he s going to make a statement that i have israel s back and i have the sunni arab s back in the middle east and we re going to stand up against radical islam and counter the iranians. that is not the position of the previous administration. that is going to be so well-received by our allies. the israelis doubted the previous administration s commitment. the sunnis were convinced that the united states had moved away from their previous security commitment. what about the president s authorization of this military to do what it needs to do? i have to let you go quickly but not without asking you about that. what is difference between now and what we previously had? it s about trust in confidence in our commanders to do things within their conflict area, let them make the decisions. they don t have to ask permissions. they have the resources and capabilities and great troops. leave them alone. judge them by their results. couldn t be better. harris: general jack keane, thanks for joining us with your expertise. good talking to you. a u.s. navy seal was killed in a fierce gun bat until somalia. this comes after a time when u.s. forces are in harm s way all over the middle east. president trump is encouraging more aggressive military action in the region and we just reported he s going there. he wants to wipe out terrorist organizations. our political panel all talk military now. we ll weigh-in on the possibilities, the benefits, the danger of the president s strategy. stay with us. i use what s already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me that i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what s within me with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it s supposed to do release its own insulin. trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. i take it once a week, and it works 24/7. it comes in an easy-to-use pen. and i may even lose a little weight. trulicity is a once-weekly injectable prescription medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. trulicity is not insulin. it should not be the first medicine to treat diabetes, or for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. do not take trulicity if you or a family member has had medullary thyroid cancer, if you ve had multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to trulicity. stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms such as itching, rash, or trouble breathing; a lump or swelling in your neck; or severe pain in your stomach area. serious side effects may include pancreatitis, which can be fatal. taking trulicity with a sulfonylurea or insulin increases your risk for low blood sugar. common side effects include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, decreased appetite, and indigestion. some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may make existing kidney problems worse. with trulicity, i click to activate what s within me. if you want help improving your a1c and blood sugar numbers with a non-insulin option, click to activate your within. ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. i m lea gabrielle with a fox report. more of today s headlines. severe weather slamming parts of the southeast. a possible tornado tore off the roof and walls of an auto parts store in eastern georgia. near greensboro, north carolina, violent storms took down trees and powerlines. thousands lost electricity and some schools are closed today. firefighters rescuing two hikers from a hillside. rescuers planning to release them to their parents. no word on how long they were stuck. one of america s most famous pilots taking flight with the thunder birds. captain sully sullenberger joined the team to promote and upcoming air show. sully became a hero in 2009 when a bird strike forced him to land a commercial jet in the hudson river and everybody survived. the news continues with harris faulkner next. i don t know why i didn t get screened a long time ago. to understand your best plan of action. so why didn t we do this earlier? life line screening. the power of preventvention. call now to learn more. a u.s. navy seal was killed fighting terrorists in somalia. we don t know yet their conditions. this happened about 40 miles west of the capital of mogadushu. u.s. forces were helping somali troops were an operation against an al-quaida affiliate. forces say they re trying to prevent the group from plotting terror attacks. president trump gave the pentagon the green light to go on the green lightning against al shabaab. u.s. commanders say they got the authority to launch yesterday s operation during the obama administration. an interesting note as well. leland vittert is live at the pentagon. clearly something went very wrong during this overnight raid. the pentagon is not sure what it was. they were targeting a compound that al shabaab used to launch attacks against americans and other targets inside africa in general. reuters is reporting that the real target was a leader that played a key role in an attack on a local university in kenya that had 150 dead. most of the dead christians. a $5 million bounty on his head. the seals were advising soldiers and flew in by helicopter 40 miles east of the capitol. early during this assault, down on the coast is when they took heavy fire and the american died. we first and foremost want to express our deepest condolences and deepest appreciation for all of the men and women in the military. now, the pentagon says they still don t know if the mission was a success in terms of kill and capture for the al shabaab leader that they were looking for. we have a lot of history in somalia. this is the first american combat death in somalia since 1993. leland, thank you. the political panel is here. sarah linty, from the national security council under condoleezza rice. and david defury, a former state department official. good to have you both. sarah, this is interesting because what happened yesterday was actually kind of a leftover in terms of authorization from the obama administration. but definitely what happens going forward, president trump is taking a very different path in places like somalia. he is. he turned military operations over to the pentagon, to be left to their discretion. in my humble opinion, this is a good thing. when it comes to difficult tactical operations, i think decisions are best made in the hands of military professionals like secretary defense mattis. it s a pivot. harris: what is interesting, david, president obama, formerly, was often criticized for not being clear about what his brand of foreign policy was with regard to some of these nations and certainly fighting isis and others in that part of the world. we heard him spill out words like j.v. team. i don t want to go far down that road, but i want your idea on how much more on point do you think that this current president is and your opinion on that. look, this change in approach may be a welcome one. i traveled to iraq frequently. special forces that we have there that are fighting isis in iraq often chased about the rules of engagement with a cagey opponent like isis that makes all sorts of changes in strategy. it s good for the war fighters on the ground to have discretion about how they will fight back against isis and how they re going to defeat isis. that s a positive. i agree that president obama was slow to create a plan for fighting isis, but actually in the last year of his administration and certainly towards the end of his administration, he was doing a very good job of fighting isis. he planned the campaign to liberate mosul. that s going well. we re pretty close to pushing isis out of iraq. they remain in two cities other than mosul. we will be successful there. so let s continue that plan. the loosening of rules of engagement can be a positive. it s important to have some restrictions on the military to make sure we don t have is a civilian deaths. if we lose the war of ideology, we will lose the war against isis. harris: so there was a lot in what you just said that was critical and in defense of the former president. let s toss up the current president s words about what you call a loosening and what others see a broadening in terms of how much he s listening to our generals. this is what the greatest military in the world and their done their job as usual. they have total authorization. that s what they re doing. that s why they ve been so successful lately. if you look at what has happened over the last eight weeks in compare that to what has happened the last eight years, you ll see there s a tremendous difference. harris: i love shep. they let the president say it instead of me, which is good. let s talk about that authorization now that is different. i want to go back to you, sarah. president obama was criticized for not listening to hisnerals. is president trump doing that? well, i want to go back to 2013 when there was a chemical weapons attack in syria and president obama s team did not act. they dithered. what we saw a month ago in syria was the president making a decision, turning it over to the military that affected effectively, efficiently and got out. it was a stellar example of what i think we re going to see. more of what we ll see under this administration. so i think we saw i play out a month ago and we ll so i it heretofore. harris: that flies in the face of what you said, david, this could save lives in terms of military and civilians, we would hope, too, because it s more pinpoint. get in, get out. your thoughts. one of the biggest mistakes of president obama was not acting in syria in 2013. i agree. president trump was right to do the missile strikes that he did a month ago. but it s still confusing what the president plan is for syria. it s confusing as to whether his policy is for assad to step down or not. it should be that as sad should step down. we should be using force in syria. you know, we re supposedly sending more troops to syria, taking the fight to the assad regime and to isis. let s see how this goes. so far the president has waffled a little bit on syria. harris: it is interesting as we look at the situation with north korea and around the world and people think this president is serious about using firepower. that s one thing that syria did prove that he will do it. thanks very much. we ll have you back another day. thanks for your time. north korean officials, speaking of which, accusing the cia of plotting with south korean intelligence to assassinate kim jong-un with some sort of biochemical weapon. according to a state from the north s ministry of state, agents bribed a north korean and turned him into a terrorist of revenge against the supreme leadership of the people s democratic leader of north korea. this comes after mike pompeo visited the capitol. and as tensions rise. greg palkot is live with more. greg? hi, harris. it s far-fetched. but if it had happened, we would have had a front row seat. kim jong-un, the leader of north korea, was supposed to have been targeted at a military parade last month, which we attended. according to the story, the cia and the south korean counterpart said to turn a man over, pay him off and gear him up and arm him with a dirty bomb containing radioactive material and then kill the leader of this very public event. we speak with a spokesperson for the cia. they declined to comment on the report. we spoke to an expert. he said it s all propaganda. we can tell you security was pretty tight at that event. it s not completely outlandish. we have seen reports of u.s. military exercises that they call the decaptation of the regime. that is practicing to go to pyongyang and do something like this. also, the experts say that probably the best way for the regime to fall might be an internal coup, probably while kim jong-un is perhaps so ruthless and a little bit paranoid. back to you, harris. harris: thanks, greg. the notorious drug lord el chapo is complaining about hallucinations and the exercise bike in prison. personal problems. we re coming right back. no contract. straight talk wireless. only at walmart. it could be a year before notorious drug lord joaquin el chapo guzman gets his day in court. today he went before a fell federal judge in brooklyn. his attorneys are complaining about his living conditions. they say the drug lord is hallucinating, hearing music while in solitary confinement. the other complaints, the jail s exercise bike faces away from the tv and he s not allowed to see his wife. federal officials say the restrictions are necessary because he escaped prison twice in mexico. one time there an underground tunnel. trace gallagher is live with more. it s hard to pity anybody who has done what he s done allegedly, trace. and harris, you mentioned that he never sees his wife. today his wife was in court and our producener the courtroom said he spent a lot of time looking at her. he wore head phones during the hearing to hear the translation and the first order was business is to make sure that he was aware of a potential conflict of interest. turns out his current lawyers work in the same building with attorneys that represented witnesses that may testify against him. el chapo told the judge that he was happy with his current legal time. his lawyers did complain when they visited him in a federal jail, they have to stay behind thick plexiglass. that makes it hard for them to go over documents with him. experts say for safety purposes, it s unlikely that they will be allowed in the same cell. for now, el chapo spends 23 hours a day in a windowless cell, an hour in an exercise cell and he s not happy with the placements of the television. he says the air conditioning is erratic and he seas the guards don t speak spanish. amnesty has said his jail conditions are cruel and degrading. critics have pointed out he s escaped twice and believed to have brutally killed dozens of people. harris: exactly. trace gallagher, thanks very much. president trump is spending the week at his summer white house in new jersey. he arrived last night in bed minister about an hour west of manhattan. hosting the leader of the free world is not easy. the town has 15 police officers. they say they re making it work and we ll see how things are being adjusted and how he s adjusted. you do all this research on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should ve done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance. due to your first accident. you need one of these. you wouldn t put up with an umbrella that covers you part way, so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? 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suitorman, senior editor at reason magazine. kasie, let me start with you. we ve already seen far right groups like heritage action criticize the plan, club for growth as well, freedom works, rand paul calling it obamacare light. you tweeted this a few hours ago. here it is, it is still early so caveats apply but events of today suggest gop health care bill is already on life support, if not dead on arrival. how can that be so early, kasie? reporter: well look, craig, this bill has run into extraordinary opposition just in the first handful of hours that it has been out in the public, and you re saying you tick through some of the groups that have come out and opposed this, the heritage action went so far as to say this doesn t repeal obamacare. that of course kind of the cardinal sin for a party that has spent the last however many years campaigning specifically on repealing obamacare. so the people who are to younger people and less generous to older people. there would be a cap so that really high income people wouldn t be able to get access to it at all, but really the question here is what are republicans trying to do with this bill, and i m not sure they know, except to say we have a bill that has repealed and replaced obamacare, because it s really not clear who the constituency is for this legislation, and the fact that so many major conservative groups have already come out in opposition. heritage action, freedom works, americans for prosperity, this bill was supposed to unite the right which was really fractured about health care, going into this process. and they have united the right in opposition to the bill. one of the chief complaints, peter, as you know to obamacare, it was rammed down our throats so fast. no one had time to read it. it was 1200 pages, we couldn t get our heads around it. no cbo scoring, no public hearings, markup on the bill set for tomorrow. why the rush? the secrecy surrounding the writing of this bill is really telling. it just does not inspire confidence that this bill was locked in a room, that senators, republican senators who want to repeal obamacare were not allowed to see the bill last week, and that they have decided to forego the cbo process early on here. they say that the cbo will have a score at some point, perhaps by easter, but that s a ways off here and the cbo score is really what sort of rallies people. the cbo is imperfect and it doesn t always get things right but at the same time what it does is it provides a singular number for coveragestimates, for effects on the budget for cost. singular number that essentially everyone has to either agree to or provide a really good reason why they are not agreeing to and the fact that republicans aren t going to with that, aren t going through that process is really telling. kasie, let s pivot here and talk about today s hearing for deputy attorney general romney rod rosenstein. lot had to do with the performance of attorney general jeff sessions. i want to play this fiery exchange between republican chuck grassley, the chairman of the judiciary committee and al franken of wisconsin. as i remember senator franken asking his question of senator sessions, he referred to something that there had just been something come on cnn that obviously, and franken said that senator sessions wouldn t know what it was and he was going to take that into consideration that it would have been all right for you to ask your question, and you probably should have given him a chance to get the information you had and reflect on it, and give an answer in writing. now the way i tend to, and you both of you know that i said this to you when you were in the privacy of my office. if i was going to ask you a gotcha question, i was going to tell you about it ahead of time and i consider what senator franken asked sessions at that late moment that that story just come out is a gotcha question. it was not a gotcha question, sir. it was, from the standpoint that he didn t know what you were asking about. but i said that as i was asking the question. senator, no. you haven t heard this and i don t expect you have heard it. senator tillis? look at the tape mr. chairman, please. a testy exchange the likes of which we do not see often in the upper chambe kasie hunt. the big question onrosenstein today was would hupport an independent counsel to investigate the election in the trump/russia ties. what did he say to that? reporter: right. that obviously the sessions, the question to sessions that franken asked is what ultimately has resulted in a chain of events that has led to anybody having any idea who mr. rosenstein is at this stage in the game, because sessions of course ended up having to recuse himself from anything related to the trump campaign and democrats have focused on the deputy attorney general slot as the one that will ultimately be making decisions about prosecutions and other issues around any inquiries into the trump campaign and ties to russia. so at this point, mr. rosenstein did not commit one way or the other to having a special prosecutor. he says he s potentially open to it, that no decisions have been made. so we re going to have to see if that s good enough for some of the democrats who interest threatened to hold up his nomination over this. in the blumenthal of connecticut saying he doesn t want to allow this to go forward without that commitment. it only takes one senator to do that. craig? senator blumenthal standing by for us, we ll talk to him in a few moments. matt, as we watch this hearing play out here in real time it s ongoing, we just saw texas senator ted cruz asking some questions. you worked at the doj under eric holder, tell us about this man named rod rosenstein. what s he like? he s a straight arrow. he s a prosecutor s prosecutor. i think he s about as good a choice as we can expect for deputy attorney general. personally i wish he was the attorney general rather than jeff sessions. if rod rosenstein was left to investigate this russia question or appointed a special counsel to iestigate the question he would do a good job. the deputy attorney general regularly sits in the situation room with the president. long with others is vying for influence with the president, is asking the president to pass judgment on things, policy things the department of justice is doing on investigations and so it s difficult at the same time you re constantly interacting with the president and members of the white house to be investigating the president s campaign and expect that to be done fairly. this is such a tenuous time in the department of justice s history, after the incident with loretta lynch and the meeting with bill clinton, with jim comey s actions last year in july, and then right before the election, and then of course sessions recusal. there are a lot of americans asking whether the department of justice can investigate political matters fairly and independently, and in a situation like this it s so damaging for the department s credibility. i think the only solution is to follow kind of the press decede that happened in the bush administration when ross rosenstein s predecessor appointed a special counsel to investigate the white house, the only situation that would allow americans to believe this was being handled fairly. matt thank you. senator richard blumenthal democrat from connecticut sits on the judiciary committee. let me show you, show everyone what you tweeted on sunday, i ll use every possible tool to block doj deputy ag nominee unless he commits to appoint independent special prosecutor. let me play who rod rosenstein said today when asked that question. are you willing to auto point a special counsel to examine russiainterferences in elections and other criminal activity? i m willing to appoint a special counsel whenever i determine appropriate based on the policies and procedures of the justice department. after what you heard today, will you block him? i will use every tool available to block him, because he has failed to commit to appoint a special prosecutor, and make no mistake. we know enough right now to see that this nation is careening toward a constitutional crisis. the russians meddled in our electoral process, our democracy, the intelligence agencies are all in a consensus on that point and donald trump seems to have accepted it. there are clear evidence of ties between the trump campaign, the trump transition team, the trump administration and the russians. there are false statements made by now attorney general jeff sessions during his nomination proceedings, false statements that could lead to a coverup, all of these threats demand an independent objective impartial investigation that is seen by the american public as credible and trustworthy, not just in fact trustworthy and credible, and so i think that he must commit to a special prosecutor, and when i asked him again today about that commitment, he really failed to commit himself. senator, for those of us who are watching and listening, who might not be as familiar with parliamentary procedure there in the upper chamber, precisely how will you go about blocking this nomination? there are ways that we can ask for delays in votes. there are procedures we can use on the floorthe united states senate, all of the technical details may be obtuse but they are not unlimited, so the ultimate ability to block the nomination may not be unlimited either, and so i will do everything in my power because i believe so strongly the nation needs an independent special prosecutor. i support the intelligence committee doing its investigation. i support the creation of a select committee, and also a special commission that can produce findings and recommendations in a report that s fully transparent. only a prosecutor can pursue criminal wrongdoing, whether it s false statements or other violations of the law. let s talk in a moment here about the house plan to fix health care. i imagine that you ve had an opportunity to thumb through it, to a a certain extent. on its face, is this something that is a legislative starting point or is this dead on arrival? it seems like less coverage at higher cost, fewer people covered, and higher payments, which seems like a recipe for disaster in health care. the ones who suffer most are older folks, children, women. it would be devastating to women s health care by defunding planned parenthood and that is an abhorrent sacrifice that i will oppose with every ounce of energy that i have, and the ones who seem to be better off are the insurance companies and the healthy. that also seems to me to make it highly suspect, and so i think with seven of my colleagues here, republicans opposing it right now, it s pretty much a nonstarter. let s talk about the travel ban that was announced yesterday. not so much whether you agree with it as a matter of policy. considering the changes that have been made by the administration, do you think that it will at least pass constitutional muster? it raises the same constitutional questions as the senator, hang on one second. i want to get back into the judiciary hearing to listen to your colleagues for a second. cnn just published a story and i m telling you this about a news story that s just been published, i m not expecting you to know whether or not it s true, but cnn just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about mr. trump. these documents also allegedly say there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between trump s surrogates and intermediaries for the russian government. now again, i m telling you this as it s coming out, just so you know, but if it s true, it s obviously extremely serious, and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do? i think that was a fair question and certainly not a gotcha question, and he didn t answer my question. what he said to that question was, senators franken, allegations get made about candidates all the time and they ve been made about president-elect trump lots of times. most of them virtually wait a minute, i am sorry. i m not aware of any of these activities. i ve been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and i did not have communications with the russians and i m unable to comment on it. so in other words, it can t be a gotcha question if he didn t understand the question. so the thing that got him was him saying that he had not met with russians, but that wasn t even my question. my question was just if this is and i asked it of mr. rosenstein, which is if it turns out to be the case that members of the mpaign, of the tru campaign have met with russians and you know, includclud kohl cd with them, it was not a gotcha question. that s all i want to say. if you go back and look at the tape i have to say i couldn t have been nicer. i couldn t have been sweeter. really. so that s that. mr. rosenstein, i want to ask you a question. the. s former national security adviser, michael flynn, resigned his position because he misled senior administration officials regarding his communications with the russian ambassador, and it s been reported sally yates, who once held the position you are looking to fill and was acting attorney general earlier in the trump administration warned the white house that mr. flynn could be vulnerable to blackmail because of his coverup. mr. rosenstein, knowing what we know now, do you think ms. yates was right to be concerned? senator, i hope i ve been clear on this point throughout my testimony. i appreciate the opportunity to clarify it. at this point, i believe as a lawyer, and as a justice department official currently and potentially in the future, it s important for me to limit my testimony to matters of which i know both the facts and the law, and where i ve consulted with the department of justice professionals who are engaged in handling the matter, so on issues like that one i appreciate senate whitehouse sharing his perspective earlier that you need to know the facts and the relevant information. you can t prejudge matters. there s currently an acting attorney general dana boente in that position with regard to any investigation that may be occurring. with regard to yr specific question, my answer is, senator, that i do not know the details of what the basis was for that, and i wouldn t reach any opinion about it just based on what i read in the newspaper. senator from hawaii? thank you, mr. chairman. there are more than 18,000 law enforcement agencies all right, senator blumenthal you heard that exchange. what say you, got cha question? not a gotcha question? not a gotcha question at all. in fact, the point senator franken was making essentially is that then senator sessions offered an answer that wasn t even required by the question. he on his own offered that he never met with the russians, and so he really dug himself this hole, and the question when it was gotcha or whatever, didn t necessarily require that answer. and i think there is overriding need for an independent special prosecutor precisely because all of these political headwinds are going to hit whoever does this investigation, and it better be someone who is independent and is not investigating his own boss as mr. rosenstein would do, if he were the one doing the investigation. senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, senator, thank you for your time this afternoon. thank you so much. thank you. trumpcare versus obamacare. how different are they, and what would the new plan mean for you? we ll take a deep dive on that, and roughly 15 minutes or so from now, sean spicer set to 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poorest americans, and the elimination of planned parenthood funding largely because of planned parenthood s relationship with abortion. tax credits everybody gets a tax credit whether or not you earn income or you don t, they are going to be based on your age, not your income. so a 20-year-old $2,000 tax credit per year, that can probably get you a good piece of insurance. 60-year-old will get $4,000, nd me a 60-year-old who can buy an insurance policy other than catastrophic care for 4,000 bucks. these tax ritz will be reduced as you go higher up the income scale. individuals making $75,000 or more will start to see them going down, couples making $150,000 or more. health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts are going to get a bit of a boost. this tends to favor people who have that extra money that they can save. tends to not be so good for poor people but they will double the allowed contribution starting in 2018. so an individual will be putting 6,500 bucks in, a family can put 13,100. this is what replaces the mandate, a 30% penalty or premium on top of your health insurance premium if you let coverage lapse. if you don t buy new coverage because ir not feeling very flush or don t think you re going to get sick and try to buy it again, 30% more expensive. that s meant to have people stay in insurance and make that pool bigger. what s not in there? the employer mandate and individual mandate. no one is forced to buy insurance for themselves or their employees. government subsidies to pay for insurance we re getting refundable tax credits to everyone and selling insurance across state lines was supposed to be in here donald trump tweeted that s going to come in a later phase. here are the losers as we look at it, the elderly, because they re not getting enough of a tax credit, the poor because of those changes to medicaid, and the sick who always get the short end of the stick. winners right now are the young, because they get this great subsidy and generally healthy, wealthy people who are seeing their taxes go down as it relates to health care, and health insurers who are benefiting from this. so it s complicated, it s meaty but that s what it looks like. one of the big questions continues to be can aealth care system remainsustainable, remain solvent perhaps even if there is no penalty? if there s not a requirement to carry insurance? president obama didn t want the penalty or the mandate, mitt romney didn t want the penalty or mandate. this is not philosophical. it s mathematical. it s actuarial. you cannot insure people who are high risk without forcing people who are low risk to be in that insurance. anyone who lives in coastal america and has to buy a wind or a flood policy knows how this works. think about this as a wind or flood policy. this is very hard to sustain it without forcing people to be in it. ali velshi our numbers guy, always good to have you. my pleasure. republicans divided. now that we know the details of 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thwer to turn infoation to insight. additional wave of threats to jewish community centers and anti-defamation league offices. according to some reports over 100 bombing threats phoned in to jewish institutions since the start of this year alone lp. as the president said at the beginning we re a country that stands you nighted in condemning hate and ooefl in all its forms. we denounce this. it is saddening i have to continue to share these disturbing reports with you and i share the president s thoughts he hopes we don t have to continue to share these reports with you but as long as they do condemn the and look at ways we can stop them. on to the news of the day you saw president trump continue to deliver on two of his most significant campaign promises, protecting the country against radical islamic terrorism and repealing and replacing obamacare with a patient-centric alternative. we talked about the executive order protecting the nation from foreign terrorist entry into the you state yesterday and on to, i introduce tom price to talk about the plan to repeal and replace obamacare. dr. price. good afternoon. first let me just share what an honor it is to share with the secretary of human and health services. i m the third of 23 who had the privilege of serving and the mission at our department is to improve the health and safety and well-being of the american people and we take that mission very, very seriously. for many americans right now, their ability to gain health care or health coverage is a real challenge. for most americans they receive their health coverage through their employer, it s about 175 million folks, those individuals will see no significant change other than there won t be a penalty for not purchasing coverage. for the folks in the medicare system there will be no changes at all in the current law. but we re talking about those people in the individual and small group market, the moms and pops, the folks who run the corner grocery store, the corner cleaners, those individuals out there are having huge challenges gaining care and gaining coverage, and medicaid is a program that by and large has decreased the ability for folks to gain access to care and we want to make certain we address that. this is about patience. this is n aboutmoney. this is not about something this is about patience, and sadly, the costs are going up for those folks and the individual in small group market, the access is going down and only getting worse. you know the stories. premiums increased 25% over the last year on average. arizona had an increase of 116%. deductibles are going up for many, many folks, if you re a mom or a dad out there, and you make $40,000, 50,000, 60,000 your deductible oftentimes is 8,000, 10,000, 12,000 a year. what that means is that you ve got an insurance card but you don t get care, because you can t afford the deductible, and we know this is happening by talking to the folks out there trying to provide the care. third of the counties in the united states, one-third of the counties in the united states have only one insurer offering coverage on the exchange. five states only have one insurer offering coverage on the exchange. one insurer is not a choice. so we need to make certain we correct that. in tennessee this morning, it was announced that there are a number of counties that have no insurer offering coverage on the exchange. insurers are leaving the market on the exchange. last year there were 232 insurers that were providing coverage, offering coverage on the exchange. now there are 167. that s a loss of about 30% in one year alone. and all of this means that patients are not getting the care that they need. now the principles we have as our guiding star are affordability. we want a system that s affordable for everybody, accessibility, a system of the highest quality, a system that incentivizes innovation in a health care system and a system that empowers patients through transparency and accountability. the president spoke last tuesday to a joint session of congress and laid out h principles. first wanted to make certain those with preexisting illness and injury were not priced out of the market. nobody ought to lose their coverage because they get a bad diagnosis. in terms of affordability, health savings accounts growing choices for patients is incredibly important. tax credits that allow individuals to be able to purchase the kind of coverage that they want, not that the government forces them to buy, we ve always talked about in terms of what kinds of reforms need to be put in place that they need to equalize the tax treatment for the purchase of coverage. those again in the employer sponsored market they get a tax benefit for buying health coverage. those folks that are out there in the individual small group market know tax benefit and that s what this plan would do. state flexibility it s incredibly important that we allow the states to be the ones that are defining what health coverage, have the flexibility in the medicaid program to be able to respond to their vulnerable population. lawsuit abuse, the president mentioned and it s incredibly important the practice of defensive medicine wastes billions of dollars every single year and we need to address that as well. president talked about a glide path and appropriate transition to this new phase for health care for our country, and that s important as well. so that nobody falls through the cracks. buying insurance across state lines. the. the talked about this on the campaign over and over. american people understand the common sense nature of purchasing across state lines, and it increases competition and we need to make certain that that happens and then addressing the incredible increase in drug prices. there are three phases of this plan. one is the bill that was introduced last evening in the house of representatives, that s the start of all of this. second are all the regulatory modifications and changes that can be put into place, as you all well know the previous administration used regulations to fairly well. there were 192 specific rules that were put out as they relate to obamacare. over 5,000 letters of guidance and the like, and we are going to go through every single one of those and make certain that if they help patients, then we need to continue them. if they harm patients or increase costs, then obviously they need to be addressed. and then there s other legislation that will need to be addressed that can t be done through the reconciliation process. so the goal of all of this is patient-centered health care for patient and families and doctors making medical decisions and not the federal government. we commend the house for the introduction of the bill yesterday and we look forward to working with all individuals in this process and look forward to a few questions. you re familiar with the conservative groups like the club for growth and heritage action have with rank and file members. what does it say about this legislation that these groups are already out with opposition to it? well, i think that this is the beginning of the process, and we look forward to working with them and others to make certain that again we come up with that process that aligns with the principles that we ve defined, that they actually adhere to or agree with as well and that is that we need a system that s affordable for folks, a system that s accessible for individuals, that s of the highest quality, that incentivizes innovation, and that empowers patients and so we look forward to working with them through this process. reporter: secretary, americans had to foregoe a new iphone to pay for health care and have to make these choices. does the administration agree with that? will americans under this plan, will they need to make sacrifice other goods to pay for their health care? this is an important question. what s happening right now is that the american people are having to sacrifice in order to purchase coverage, and as i mentioned many individuals can t afford the kind of coverage that they have right now. so they veot that insurance card, but they don t have care. what our desire is to drive down the health care costs for everybody and the way that you do that is to increase choices for folks, increase competition, return the regulation of health care, where it ought to be, which is at the state level, not at the federal level. all of these things that take it in their aggregate will decrease the cost of health care, and health coverage and that will allow folks to be able to purchase the coverage that they want. yes, sir? reporter: thank you, dr. price. two questions for you. first has to do with guarantees that you can make as the administration s point person on this legislation. can you guarantee that whatever legislation emerges it makes it to the president s desk will allow individuals if they like their doctor they can keep their doctor and the second guarantee is can you also guarantee that health care premiums for individuals will come down with this new legislation? again, a remarkably important question, because as you ll recall the promise from if the last administration was if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. both of those promises turned out to be not true. we think it s incredibly important for the american people to be able to select the physician and the place where they re treated in themselves, that the government ought not be involved in that process, and so our goal is to absolutely make certain that individuals have the opportunity to select their physician. in terms of premiums, we believe strongly that through this whole process and as it takes effect, that we ll see a decrease in not only the premiums individuals will see but decrease in the cost of health care for folks. remember there was another promise that the previous administration made that you d see a decrease in $2500 on average for families across this land. in fact they ve seen an increase of $2500 or $3,000. we re going to go in the other direction, in a direction that empowers patients and holds down costs. mr. secretary, you are quite a distance away from conservatives with this plan and the central part of it, which is tax credits. they see as yet another entitlement, very similar to the entitlement of obamacare but different in form. how do you convince them, since it s going to take tax credits to make this work, that they need to swallow this and move forward with the bill? an awful lot of opposition in the central tenet of this whole thing. this is all about patience, and in order to provide that transition and in order to make it so that nobody falls through the cracks we ve got to have a system that allows for individuals to gain the kind of coverage that they want. and we conservatives and others have said for a long time that we believe it s important to equalize the tax treatment for those purchasing coverage, gaining coverage through their employer and those not, and the tax credit is the opportunity to be able to equalize that tax treatment. folks who talked about this for many years actually, so there s not a distortion in the tax code for who is able to gain a benefit from being able to purchase coverage and not. yes, ma am? mr. secretary, you were talking about making sure people don t fall through the cracks. last administration obamacare focused in on making sure the underserved were part of the equation. what is the safety net or the safe harbors you have to make sure to ensure people don t fall through the cracks beyond the tax incentives but also for the underserved, who are now part of many are part of the program that weren t before prior to. this is extremely important as well, and the current system as you likely know for those vulnerable in our population pecially in theedicaid population is a system that s broken. you ve got a third of the physicians in this country, one-third of the doctors in this country that would be eligible to see medicaid patients, who aren t seeing medicaid patients right now. not because they ve forgotten how to take care of patients. it s because of the rules in place that make it too difficult for them to see medicaid patients. we believe it s important to allow states to fashion the program for their vulnerable population that actually responds to that population in a way that gives them the authority, them the choices, them the opportunity to gain coverage and the care that they believe most appropriate. what did you find out that that is not happening when you goive to the sat? is there some type of punishment or some type of piece that you re going to put in place to make sure that that happens, that they follow through on your intent? absolutely. there s accountability throughout the plan that we have, that would allow for the secretary and the department to be certain that the individuals that we believe need to be cared for are being cared for in the state at the appropriate level. but we believe this is a partnership. this is about patience and partnership. the previous administration tended to make it about government. we believe it s about patience and partnership and we want to partner with every single person in this land who wants to make certain we allow the kind of choices and quality to exist. yes, ma am? the president tweeted earlier today he described this bill as our wonderful new health care bill. there s been a little bit of confusion. does this wonderful new health care bill. there has been confusion. does this represent the administration s bill? and is there anything this bill that the administration cannot support. this has been a work in progress. as you know, this has been going on for over a year. the work that i had the privilege of participating in when i served in the house of representatives in the last congress was open and transparent. and we invited folks in to give their ideas. and tens if not hundreds of people had input into that process. this grew out of tt, and over the past number of weeks we have been having conversations with folks on the hill, in the house, and in the senate and other stakeholders. this is a work product that is a result of that, all of that process. the president and the administration support this step in the right in what we believe is in the right direction, a step that reveals obamacare and gets us moving in the direction of those principles that i outlined. do you support everything that s in the bill sitting on the table, sir? this is a work in progress. we will work with the house and the senate in this process. as you know it is a legislative process that occurs. i m glad you pointed out the bills on the table there. as you will see this bill right here was the bill that was introduced in 2009 and 10 by the previous administration. notice how thick that is. some of you recall i actually turned the pages and went through that piece of legislation in a you tube. the bill the pile on the right is the current bill. what it means is we are making certain that the process, that the decisions that are going to be made are not going to be made by the federal government. they are going to be made by patients and families and doctors. given the opposition that has been brought up today, does this plan already need to be salvaged in your view? how do you do it? e no. you know what happens with these things. you start you start at a starting point. people engage, and they get involved in the process, sometimes to a greater degree. nothing focuses the mind like a bill that s currently on the table and is a work in progress or in process. and we ll work through it. this is the starting point here? this is an important process to be had. the american people have said to their elected leaders, the obamacare process for them gaing coverage andare is not working. that s what they have said. so we believe it s important to respond to the american people and provide a health care system that allows for them to purchase the kind of coverage and care that they desire. you said in your letter to the house chairman that necessary and appropriate and technical changes might need to be made for this bill to reach the president s desk. what specific changes is the white house and the administration looking for in this bill? as i mentioned their three phases to this process. one is this bill, this legislation that s working through under the rules of reconciliation, which is a fancy term to mean that there are only certain things that you can do from a budgetary standpoint, has to affect either spending or revenue. there are things that you can t do in this bill. and those we plan on doing across the horizon in phase two, which is the regulatory portion and then in phase three, which is another piece of legislation that would be going through the house and the senate with a majority super majority in the senate. that process will incorporate all of the kinds of things that we believe are absolutely in to reconstitute that individual and small group market and to get us in a position again where patients and families and doctors are making these decisions. cvs score isn t out yet, can you guarantee that this plan will not have a marginally negative impact on the deficit or result in millions of americans losing insurance? what i can say the goal and the desire i know of the individuals on the hill is to make sure that this does not increase the cost to the government. two elements of the bill, i have questions about how they control costs and how they help with access. the medicaid per capita block grant to the states, how is that sort of fundally different from the obamacare regime on medicaid in terms of expanding access. the second point, why doesn t thisill do away with the cost sharing community ratings version that obamacare has. to the per capita cap, the medicaid is a system that doesn t work for patients. you have got folks out there who need care, who need to see particular physician who is aren t able to see them. all americans should be saddened by the situation that we have when there are patients out there that can t get the care that they need. we believe one of the keys to providing appropriate care in the medicaid population is allowing the states to have the flexibility to address that medicaid population. remember, medicaid population is four different demographic groups. it s those who are disabled. it s those who are srd. it s healthy moms and kids by and large. those are the four main demographic groups. and we the federal government force states mostly to take care of those individuals in exactly the same way. if you describe that to the folks back home on main street they say that doesn t make sense at all. you need a program that s different for the healthy moms and kids to respond to their needs to that s different from the folks who are disabled and seniors. what we believe is appropriate is to say to the states you know your population best, know best how to care for your vulnerable population. we are going to watch you and make certain that you do so, but know how you do that. that will decrease costs markedly in the medicaid program. we are wasting significant amounts of money. not that folks are getting too much care. we re wasting out because it s significant abuse in the system and it s insignificant. cost sharing measures are being addressed. it s important we run through that process. thises the process wheree felt the previous administration was spending money they didn have the authority to spend. and congress is working through that to make certain that the rightful holders of the authority to spend money in this nation, which is the congress of the united states, exercises that authority. mr. secretary how does the white house and you feel about the label, trump care? i ll let others provide a description for it. i prefer the call it patient care. this is about patients at the end of the day. this isn t about politicians. this isn t about insurance companies. this is about patients. and patients in this nation, especially those in the individual and small group market. these are the folks. i had the privilege of going to cincinnati last week with the vice president to a small business round table. and one of the business owners, one of the small business owners there said he had 18 employees last year at this time. this year he has 15 employees because of the cost of health coverage for those individuals forced him, forced him to let three people go. now, they are being forced to let three people go because the federal government has put in place rules and regulations that make it virtually impossible for folks in the individual and small group market to provide coverage for their employees. this is a system that s not working for people. so if you if we focus on the patients i ll call it patient care. if you focus on the patients, we ll get to the right answer. a major complaint of concern sorry. a major complaint of conservatives with phase one of the obamacare repeal and replace is that it is missing a measure that would allow health care to be sold across state lines. now, the president said this morning that that would be in either phase two or phase three. is that something that you believe the president could do through executive action or you yourself to do or is that something that needs to be addressed legislatively. there are different aspects across state lines that will allow patients the care they want. some of it might be done from a regulatory or rules standpoint. some of it might require legislation. that s where we are going to need assistance from our friends on the other side of the aisle. american people have demanded that they be able to to purchase across state lines. whether it s through association health plans who allows individuals in small business groups to pool together nationally to be able to purchase coverage or whether it s mom and dad who don t gain coverage through their employer that allows folks to pool together solely for the purpose of purchasing coverage even though they are not economically align. there are 18 million folks in that individual and small business government. that would give them the purchasing power of millions. that s huge four and authority that we want to put into the hands of people, of patients. some of that may in fact require legislation. yes, sir. mr. secretary, thank you. two questions. first, congressman john faso of new york has said that the issue of denying federal funds to planned parenthood should be separate from whatever health care bill finally emerges from congress and is signed into law by the president. is that the administration s position as well? and my second question is this, you mentioned earlier the people who had their health care plans canceled when they thought they could keep it. i believe in your state of georgia more unanimous a million people had that experience. will some of the plans that were canceled be able to come back under the new health care plan? yeah, in terms of planned parenthood, we think it s important that t legislature
on the way with more rain in the extreme weather center. and the rain continues this saturday here in washington. hope it s a little drier where you are at home. i m leland vittert. elizabeth: great to be with you, i m elizabeth prann. voters in france will have a runoff that will have a global impact. one campaign trying to deal with fallout after claims it was the victim of a massive and coordinated hacking attack designed to destabilize the election. the french are about in a 48 hour blackout period before the vote takes place. greg palkot is in paris, france with the latest. hi, greg. hi, elizabeth. taking a page out of the u.s. election playbook, the leader here in this presidential elections here in france has been hit by a massive cyber attack. thousands of e-mails and documents seized have the computers of campaign safer of emmanuel macron, they were posted online. while moist of the material is kind of mundane, it is combined according to authorities today, with fake news items meant to try to sway the election. no one is assuming responsibility for this, but pro russian and right wing websites have been allegedly in the mix and they re looking at those possibilities. so far no sign that all of this is impacting the leader macron. he is a centrist, an independent, reformer, pro european union and he has at least a 20% lead over far right p populous candidate marine le pen. there s a ban here on all activities and the authorities are trying to keep a lid on the development. le pen campaign manager did tweet a provocative question, suggesting that perhaps these leaks might reveal information that journalists have not revealed about their candidate. it is her favorable comment about russia and about vladimir putin that have some thinking that russian hacking connection reminiscent of the alleged russian role in those campaign documents and e-mail leaks from hillary clinton last year. now, woo he spent some time speaking with folks here on the street in paris. they don t seem too concerned about the development. paris is generally liberal. and we ve heard from macron, but in the french heartland there s a lot of support for marine le pen. she s anti-immigrant, anti-european union and is playing well in a lot of quarters. unemployment is high and the economy is sagging. we did, hear, elizabeth, from what they call the neither/nor candidates, people that are not happy with either sigh side. what we re looking at is a historic election, for the first time in modern history there are no major party candidates involved. the candidates of the two main parties here in france were eliminated in the first round of voting and this is the runoff and it s deciding the future of france and as you noted could have a big impact and not just here, but across europe and globally. elizabeth: that s right, historic indeed. greg palkot live. more later in the show. tomorrow we ll be live from 3:00 to 4:00 p.m. with special coverage of the french election, so tune in here as polls close for the results and what it means for here in the u.s. and, of course, president trump. leland: huge impacts on the markets. coming up, president donald trump worked out of washington this weekend from his new jersey golf club. what he calls a big win in his promised repeal and replace obamacare and tweeted last night touting job numbers to put the unemployment rate at levels not seen since 2007. brian is in bedminister with the president behind him at the golf club, good to see you, brian. good to see you, too, leland. for the president it s the first time he visited the club here. some are calling it the summer white house or camp david north, but this really marks the end of what has been a good week for the president and his administration from that i remember perspective. a great jobs report in april, the lowest unemployment in a decade and the repeal and replace of obamacare. the american health care act is the president s first major legislative victory, now the legislation is far from becoming law, it will go to the senate and likely back to the house, but in his weekly address. the president was optimistic touting his latest tax reform and touting that the house health care bill will boost the economy. thursday the house voted to repeal one of the worst job killing laws of all, the house bill is a plan that will save americans from this disaster and replace it with more choices and more freedom for american families. and now, i m calling on the senate to take action. now, getting the senate to take action and pass that bill or a version of it is going to be extremely difficult. it s going to be hard because many republicans in the senate are actually against the current bill as-is. for one, pre-existing conditions. the current bill allows states the option of allowing insurance companies to charge more for pre-existing conditions and others like ohio senators rob portman points to the medicaid cuts, saying millions of lower income americans stand to lose their insurance, thanks to this bill because it would cut obamacare s medicaid expansion. now, in a tweet though, the president is saying making it very clear that he believes that the media and critics are being too harsh because frankly, obamacare as-is is a bad system. in a tweet, he said, quote, why is it that the fake news rarely reports o-care is on its last legs and insurance companies are fleeing for their lives? it s dead. earlier today, former trump advisor corey lewandowski was on fox and friends and spoke how the president plants plans on continuing his hands-on approach and continuing things like tax reform, infrastructure, and this health care bill. he s going to get all three done and what that means is he s going to be working the phones, meeting with individuals, i m sure, in the u.s. senate to get a piece of legislation done. now, as for when the president expects this bill to be done, there is no timetable, the white house says, but they do expect some changes to the bill, although they say the main pillars they expect to stay there, leland. leland: the debate will continue as will the president s work. bryan live in new jersey, thanks, bryan. elizabeth: now those who voted must make the sell to their constituen constituents. and francis rooney, who voted for the american health care act. thank you for joining us today. thank you for having me on. elizabeth: two of your peers from the other side of florida on the east coast, made it fairly public that it was a game time decision. was this a game time decision for you? no, it wasn t. i saw this thing early on as the best possible opportunity to replace a top-down government mandate system for something that allowed choice and tried to make the free markets work. elizabeth: now, we want to talk about the sunshine state in particular. there s hundreds of thousands of folks who have preexisting conditions, there s an elderly population to a lot of the voters in florida. how are you going to sell this going forward? there are a lot of people worried that they may lose coverage, not only with pre-existing conditions, but also with medicaid. well, i ve been selling it. the fact of matter is ahca does not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. the recent amendment does allow an opt out waiver for states, but if they do they have t.o. their own high risk fun to covered subsidized people who have expensive medical conditions or stay in the federal one, the $130 billion dollar one. i don t understand why the media keeps saying this kind of stuff. elizabeth: well, there was a voter, and i believe she was in fort meyers depending where she lives may or may not be in your district and she had said, quote, i m scared to death about what s happening. they re going to price me out of the market and may get to the point where i have to decide about keeping my house or having my health insurance. it s not necessarily that they re not going to be covered, but people with preexisting conditions who aren t going to afford coverage. if you get the high risk pools, earmarked, i believe $130 billion earmarked for folks in these high risk pools. critics say that s just simply not enough. well, i don t know where ne get that. i think it s a lot of money to cover these high risk pools and i think the fact that the high risk people will be taken out of the general underwriting base should allow premiums to go down. elizabeth: you re giving voters assurances if they re in the high risk pools they will be able to obtain coverage and i sort of want to get to my next question, which is medicaid. if the people on medicaid, sometimes they get off or on medicaid. if they disenroll or unenroll from medicaid and want coverage back on they re going to have to pay a penalty under the new law. are they going to be able to afford that? you know, florida is a state that has a very efficient well-run state government and eif isht well-run medicaid program, did not take the obama expansion money and is going to benefit from this stability fund that s going to help the states equallize during the four or five-year phasedown of expansion in other states. those other state governors are going to have to figure out how to operate as efficiently has a state like florida as medicaid easy money is retired the next few years. elizabeth: okay. my last question, a little bit looking forward, and i want to get to it before i let you go. one fellow lawmaker in florida could be at risk in 2018, carlos ka b cabelo. could you worry you re going to lose the republican majority. but we haven t seen that cbo score yet and we don t know how it s going to pan out. are you at all concerned? we haven t seen the cbo score and like to make a point, the original score was wholly defective. based on a static model that whole 24 million loss coverage is a myth and hopefully they re going to get a realistic score this time. no, i ve been selling this thing and explaining to people, giving out handouts of the key bullet points and i think it s the best option we ll see. elizabeth: thank you for joining us and we appreciate your time and see how the future pans out. leland has the other side. leland: indeed, every democrat in the house voted against ahca as did 20 republicans. among them congressman andy biggs of arizona and joins us from the great city of tucson with the camel back in the background. good to see you, sir. thank you for having me. leland: the question for you, it s pretty simple. where does the gentleman from florida and for that matter, the president that says this is going to save us from obamacare, have it wrong? simply put, let s just decide, did we repeal obamacare? and the answer of course is no. because if you did, what are the states going to be asking to be let out of? they re going to have to petition of federal government and say, please let us out, let us out of what? out of obamacare because we didn t repeal obamacare and that s the bottom line. what was actually done the president, the republican leadership and all the way down to the congressman from florida will tell you, hey, look, this was the best we could do, is that true? oh, that s a big difference between saying look, we have problems. cause if that s the best we could do, and they the people are acknowledging, hey, the senate is it going to change this things, we don t know how bad it s going to change it. why didn t we repeal it with the same kind of bills that we did in the congress for years before i ever even got there? if we would have why don t you think that republicans did that? why not just repeal and then come back later and replace? is it the political cost or something else going on? well, i can t attribute any motives, but all i know is i m bewildered by that. i mean, i signed on to a bill co-sponsor a bill to actually repeal this and i was told to be disingenuous to pass a full repeal out of the house even though we ve done it for five times before and then send it to the senate if the senate know might not pass it. isn t that what we just did? they just passed a bill and claiming it s repeal and sending it to the senate and knowing it will be change. how is that less ingenuous, than saying let s do our job and keep our promise and send it to the senate. it doesn t make sentence to me. leland: well, i appreciate your candor when it comes that. let me turn this just a little bit in terms of what was going on up on capitol hill. how much pressure were you under from the white house, from paul ryan, from others to vote yes? well, i got squeezed pretty hard, as you might guess. i think i lost five or ten pounds as i was getting squeezed. [laughter]. but the reality is i did talk to the white house, the president and vice-president and i tell you, they were very gracious. leland: no threats of being primary or don t vote for this there will ee ewillen there will be consequences. i heard more from colleagues. but i had colleagues telling me they respected my vote and a lot asked me why and i ve got an hour and a half worth of reasons why not to vote for this, but as i would go through they would, generally, they would say, hey, i know you ve thought about it, you ve done your homework, this is a principle vote and we respect you for that. i got it from both sides. leland: it s clear in our conversation this is not without a lot of contemplation on your part. i want your thought on something the president said this week and follow it up with a tweet. first the sound bite. i shouldn t say this, too, our great gentleman and my friend in australia, because you have better health care than we did. we re going to have great elk had soon. leland: the president followed it up with this tweet, doubling down. of course the australians have better health care than we do, everybody does. obamacare is dead, but our health care will soon be grit. arizona s got some of the best medical care in the world, and i would suspect you d agree with me when you think there s a lot of australians who if they have the money and are really sick come to america for health care. there s not a lot of americans who head down to australia for health care. where do you think the president has gone wrong on this? well, i don t think he was really providing a commentary necessarily on american health care so much he was making a commentary on obamacare. that s the way i took it. and saying obamacare is in a death spiral, which it is. and that s the reason would be bewildered. we ve basically enshrined the features of obamacare. we ve taken a step. and it s difficult to walk back from and we haven t really we didn t keep our promises and the we have no idea if we re really going to be reducing the premiums by any appreciatable amount. leland: i want to button this up. i respect your candor, i really do, to come on television and say we didn t keep our promises. don t you worry that this clip is going to be in a campaign ad come 2018? well, no, i m not. i didn t run this time to beat to run for reelection in 2018. i came this time to represent my constituents and my constituents largely understand what we re saying. when we start peeling this this back, they say, andy, you re right. we were going to repeal it. we re repositioning it, that s what happened. leland: mr. biggs came to washington and we appreciate your candor back there in arizona. come visit us soon. thanks. leland: all the buzz. come to fox news for a media buzz. howard kirtz talks about former trump cane manager corey lewandowski and health care will be a big topic in this conversation. and white house reince priebus bus talking about what s next for president trump as the health care bill heads to the senate. no doubt it s a tough ride to the senate. the chief of staff on what the president can do to get it through. check your local listings for time and channel, fox news sunday tomorrow. elizabeth: this is a fox news alert. the pentagon as identified the navy seal killed friday tighting the terror group al-shabaab in somalia. kyle milligan. he was killed during an operation against al-shabaab 40 miles west of mogadishu. a rear admiral says that he embodied the quote, warrior spirit and toughness induced in our best navy seals. he s irreplaceable as a father, a husband, a son, a friend and a teammate. very sad news to report today. millions of music fans are sending prayers and well wishes to country music legend loretta lynn after learning she suffered a stroke on thursday. the latest on her condition coming up. plus, as the senate gets ready for more hearings on russian election meddling. russian election meddling next week, knew details on trump campaign warnings to general michael flynn about his russian contacts. and downstream communities preparing for the very worst as the mighty mississippi river sets to crest this weekend in some major midwestern cities along its banks. adam is monitoring it all from the fox extreme weather center. yes, i am. at least we re clearing off and but that water is rising. i ll have the details coming up in my full forecast after the break. of the billboard music awards just by using your voice. the billboard music awards. sunday, may 21st eight seven central only on abc. music legend loretta lynn is recouperating from a stroke. the singer and songwriter is responsive and expect today make a full recovery. lynn s scheduled concerts have been postponed and her singer, crystal gayle put out a statement saying, she s strong woman and we appreciate your love, and support and we play for a speedy recovery. elizabeth: this is a fox news weather alert. the mississippi and missouri rivers are set to crest today after heavy rains pounded the region causing deadly floods that claimed at least ten lives. the storms caused massive devastation and headaches across the midwest and interstates and homes. the same storm systems hit new york city causing some major chaos for computers. so, there was water everywhere and in the homes and roofs are leaking. it was above the bottom edge of the door. cause now, my whole car has got about five inches of standing water in it, so, it must have been it was even higher, too, before. elizabeth: wow, for the latest, we bring in adam at the extreme weather center. what do you have for us? this was a big storm. the good news for folks in the midwest, that has moved off and we re seeing the rivers continuing to rise. it takes a couple of days for that rain to ultimately work its way down. wabash down to the mississippi and st. louis. all of those in green are flood watches, because, yeah, that water pours into the rivers. as i said it s drying off so looking at the exact raegs, we re not talking about additional rainfall, it did shift off to the northeast to the mid atlantic. the heavy rain that new york city saw yesterday, that wrapped up and it s replaced with a steady rain lingering over the course of the weekend. the mid atlantic stretching into new england, expect some showers over the course of today, running you eventually all the way through your weekend. the hour by hour forecast will time this out. even though we may not get consistent rain across the northeast and mid atlantic, there are going to be rounds of showers moving through the entire weekend. there is your time stamp through the corner. and taking you through sunday and monday morning and we continue to see at least a couple of showers lingering all the way up into the northeast. how much rain are we talking about? now, yes, there were folks yesterday that saw very big numbers. i m expecting a whole lot more, but pretty widespread from 1/10 of an inch up to one to two inches additional rainfall to what we saw yesterday. down into kentucky i wanted to take note of it. any racing fans out there. a slight chance of seeing a couple of showers, the temperatures on the cool side looking at 59 degrees, but again, folks along the east coast, it s going to be a good idea to keep that umbrella handy. today into sunday and probably even early monday morning before we start to clear off a little bit, guys. elizabeth: all right, adam klotz, thanks, we appreciate it. we ll talk with missouri governor greitens, what he s doing to prepare his residents for what is absolutely going to be a massive cleanup. leland: coming up, president trump s russia problems reignite as the senate committee asks his aides to turn over records. what we could learn this week. and post time six hours away as horses get a once in a lifetime opportunity to run the 143rd kentucky derby. our own janice dean is at churchill downs. it s muddy there. a little more on the hats and the mint juleps, coming up. eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus had less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis had both. don t stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don t take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily. and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. i m still going for my best. and for eliquis. ask your doctor about eliquis. the senate intelligence committee wants a number of high profile trump campaign aides to hand over e-mails and other records of their dealings with russian officials. garrett is joining us now with what we can expect to many could out of this coming week. the head of the senate intelligence committee are now saying that one of those trump aides, carter page has become less cooperative. the committee asked that he provide e-mails, or any, phone calls, between him and russians. and while his legal team is working on gathering that information, it s likely the government already has it all saying in part, any records i may have saved as a private citizen with a limited technology capability will be minuscule in comparison to the full data base of information which has already been collected under the direction of the obama administration. page also said he looks forward to testifying in an open hearing before the committee to put an end to the false allegations of collusion between him and russian officials. separately, there are also new reports that back in november, members of the trump transition team warned former national security advisor michael flynn that any conversations he had with russia s ambassador would likely be picked up by u.s. intelligence agencies. the washington post and associated press citing current and former government officials report those warnings came a whole month before flynn was reportedly discussions sanctions against russia with the ambassador. those discussions which he then misled the vice-president and other white house officials about eventually led to his stepping down. these new warnings we re learning about are in addition to those reportedly shared by former deputy attorney general sally yates and we ll likely hear what the warnings were and what the trump administration knew about flynn s connection with russia before she testifies before the judiciary committee. leland: a lot could come out of that. mr. tenney, thank you. and james carafano with the heritage foundation talks about the new normal in hacking as france becomes the latest target. liz. elizabeth: push back against pa ban flying over designated safe zones. it was hammered out by russia, turkey and iran. to explain the impact against isis and the region, the military analyst jack keane. thank you for joining us. good to see you, liz. elizabeth: the more that we learn about this that went down, representatives from the united states were not involved and learned that the opposition forces were out of that, especially once they learned that really the people calling the shots were russia and iran. so, how did this go forward? well, it will go forward similar to other cease fires. you re right, the united states is not involved, the opposition forces are not involved. we made the right decision in pushing back and not participating in this. the guarantee of the safety of the people in the deescalation zones is iranian. that s totally unacceptable to us. the iranians are the main ground source in syria, not the syria army. so they re the main killing force and in the cease fires and now calling it a deescalation zone, russians reconsolidate and after activity calming down they take advantage of the situations on the ground and start the bombing again and that will be what will play out here. elizabeth: i m curious about the he is escalation involvement and starting seven years ago and how much have they gained from their involvement in this conflict? it s pretty significant. in the actual conflict itself they have replaced the assad regime air power. they are the main air power used every single day. they have been pounding civilian communities since our cruise missile strike in syria every single day and used depenetrative bombs on underground hospitals. they re committing war crimes, the russian air power. what it s done, the countries in the region saw that russia came in and backed up an ally and we failed to back up our allies in the roux eggs particularly after the chemical line was crossed so-called red line. they ve done arms deal as a result of that with every sunni arab ally and a want to build nuclear power plants. that s taken place because of the military intervention. the reason the sunnis are doing this is they want to hedge against the russians and iranians. and that s why president trump let them know we got their pack back and return to the relationship with the leaders of the middle east. elizabeth: sort of set up my next question, we re looking at president trump making a trip over there. what doe accomplish? it seems that russia is getting everything they want especially when it comes to this conflict in syria. they re enthused with this president and he s met with them and spoken to some of the leaders and they re looking forward to the renewal of the relationship. and they ll take a look at isis and see if they can provide help. isis is larger than the caliphate in iraq and it s expanded to 30 countries. some he they have relationships with and some are their countries. eye had iran is a major threat in the middle east. and after the deal that president obama made and they know that the money will be used for that and they ll talk about that. the other interesting thing, he s going to saudi arabia where the holy shrines are that represent islam and that s going to send a message, in this country and in other parts of the world, people have got the perception that he s anti-muslim because of this travel ban. and i don t believe he is. and so many of the administration is not either. and i think that s going to make another statement to the muslim world that the first trip he s making to the middle east is to saudi arabia and also obviously, to israel. elizabeth: fascinating. i only had six more questions, but i m getting the cue in my air. too long. elizabeth: no, i love it. general, that means we have to have you back. good talking to you, liz. elizabeth: we appreciate it very much. leland. leland: when the general does come back, commenting often on tensions between the u.s. and north korea. an election in south korea could shake things up more. we ll tell you why coming up. plus, we ll take a closer look at the french presidential elections and why the far right candidate says don t believe the polls that show her so far behind. stop trying to project me as if i ve been defeated. maybe there s going to be a surprise that will belie opinion polls and this giant steamroller. in any event, we ve changed everything already. take on the mainstream. introducing nissan s new midnight edition. 12 hours from now and while there s a blackout period, pro russian and website are hawking stolen e-mails from the candidates. it s a twist that have an impact on financial markets and our relationship with our oldest ally. james joins us with insights. good to see you, my friend. thank you for having me. leland: you look at this right now, you ve got marine le pen who is way down in the polls, the right wing candidate. you ve got emanumanuel macron, untested politician, young guy under 40, leading by 20 points. ordinarily it wouldn t be a discussion, but you look at brexit, the pollsters got it wrong. the u.s. election, the polls got it wrong. and marine le pen saying it could be in threes. it s not a similar situation. brexit was close in the polls leading up to it. trump was never more than three or four points behind. and marine le pen is 20 points behind, it s highly, highly unlike unlikely. leland: strange things happen. what does it tell us, if nothing else, that we re having this conversation? you re right. if you look the a the trend lines across france and the p poplus parties are more popular. per father only got 18%. his daughter, 15 years later, is probably going to get somewhere on the order of 35 to 40%. so, while she s not going to win tomorrow, if the conditions that give rise to this continue, then, five years from now, ten years from now, she might have a much better shot. leland: i m not going to characterize marine le pen s position on things, i ll leave that to you, suffice to say to a huge part of the population, they are alarming. she s often described as far right which is not accurate. if you look at her economic policies, she is what we in america would consider far left. she wants to keep a 35-hour work week, put up trade barriers, she wants to lower the retirement age drastically. she s in favor of much more state intervention in the economy, and much bigger government spending. so she has a, what we would consider a far left economic plan, which is actually the reason why a lot of people who used to vote for the communist party in france vote now for the national front. it s more on the questions of, you know, ethnic identity and citizenship that we consider her far right and the fact that there are so many neo fascists, frankly and holocaust revisionists and her father among them? yes, and she did kick out her father from the party a couple of years ago. but i think that was largely a cosmetic change. if you look at the attitudes expressed by members of this party, including senior members. the prime minister candidate was forced to retain a couple of weeks ago because he doubted the holocaust and says that the germans never used poison gas in the gas chambers and these are the people she s is your round surrounded herself with. leland: and we ll see, and if it happens see the markets in a tizzy monday morning. thank you. elizabeth: mint juleps, hats and horses, janice dean is in churchill downs where they re gathered for the race. how is it going, janice, you look beautiful, by the way. liz and leland, i have to tell you the most exciting news so far, the sun has come out. it s been raining here 48 hours. that s the great news. we ll talk about derby and the celebrities i was partying with last night when america s news headquarters from d.c. continues after the break. take a look at churchill downs. boost. it s about moving forward, not back. it s looking up, not down. it s being in motion. in body, in spirit, in the now. boost® high protein it s intelligent nutrition with 15 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for when you need a little extra. boost® the number one high protein complete nutritional drink. be up for it i6789. elizabeth: well, today is the 143rd kentucky derby and it looks like the sun is finally coming out for the big race. our own janice dean took a trip to churchill downs to see how things are shaping up. we were talking how our show is so much better because we were able to steal you for the weekend. tell us about the oh down action down there. oh, moo my gosh, this is my first kentucky derby and we were talking about one of the coldest days in kentucky derby. oaks, the racing of the lilies and the fillies on the track, the coldest day in 55 years in louisville and today the sun has come out and people are starting to feel much better than they have over the last 24 hours, i want to thank the person, a company who produced the beautiful hats for me, frank olive by gabriel we ve had beautiful hats. kentucky ser bye is about horses, the mint juleps and the hats. i went to the brown stable gala. i met some celebrities and it was pretty exciting. watch. . and hey, sammy haggar here, i love you guys. this is your first derby. yes. are you excited? yeah, look at me. most exciting two minutes of sports? what do you say to that? i would not question it. i know i m going to be on the edge of my seat as we all are. should be fun! what s up. how many derbies? this is the fourth. the weather, how are you dealing with the weather? hey, i look at it as an opportunity. let s see what horse is going to run. we d love to know what your pick is. i was going to ask you the same thing, because i have no idea. there s a horse from brooklyn and my husband is from brooklyn. and always recommended. brooklyn horse. i m going with that. i ve got my eye, pun intended on the one-eyed horse patch. i love his underdog story. how are you, fox and friends? the first derby? yeah. and i m in love with it, the pageantry, dressing up. do you love coming out here? my first time. you re from this area? yeah, i m from kentucky. how do you pronounce louisville. like louisville, like louisville. like luolville. how do you pronounce louisville. i said louisville. is sing happy birthday? give you a kiss on the cheek. i ll never wash this cheek again. never do. more derby fun later. that was amazing! we watch that over and over again. thank you so much. leland: much more, maybe not another kiss for janice in the next hour of america s news headquarters. where and why the international swimmers took a cold plunge and scary moments for one truck driver when the ground literally fell out from under him. and we ll tell you how he escaped coming up. rescue me . had to talk to my doctor. she said, how long you been holding this in? 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oh, absolutely. the russians were doing this before the american elections, they ll still continue to do it after the american elections. one thing we ve seen that s been incredibly consistent with putin is he has gone back into the old soviet tool kit, and he s taken out those tools, and that includes disinformation and active measures. this is kind of classic soviet-style behavior. leland: the russian name for it, in terms of creating this stuff, it does seem that the french action, if you will, in terms of this latest e-mail dump about macron is kind of ham-handed. this doesn t seem to be nearly as involved as what we saw in the united states. well, you have to remember why the russians do this, why you conduct disinformation and active measure campaigns. it s less about necessarily driving a specific outcome than it is in kind of undermining the legitimacy and creating a bit of chaos. because as long as you re weakening and stressing your opponent and distracting them and you re creating space to operate, that s more important than the specific outlook you get outcome you get. if you go to rush that and say russia and say what are you going to achieve, the answer is, we don t know. if it creates chaos, good. if it doesn t, we do something else. leland: what are you hearing inside russia, to that point? do they view whatever they did in the u.s. elections as a success? well, i do think they saw it as a success from the perspective of look what s going on in the united states. we have a hyper-partisan political environment, it s kept people distracted, it has some people claiming the president is illegitimate, having the administration constantly dealing with these things. for them, even if they don t get a pro-russian president, they ve still kind of tied us up a little, and so for very little investment, that s kind of a cheap win. leland: well, and to that point in terms of being tied up, you think about we now have multiple investigations up on capitol hill into russian meddling, big senate hearing coming up this week. yeah. leland: that going to change anything? no. and this also shows the limits of that. a, they didn t get a pro-russian president. look, i worked on the presidential transition team. there was never anything in the plan that said let s be weak on putin or kind of lame on nato. it just was never in the plan. so they were never going to get a pro-russian president, and they didn t get one, so that got them nothing. and in a sense, even if the united states wanted to do something nice with the russians now, it s going to be very, very difficult. everybody in congress hates them, the administration would be criticized. and, but i think all these, the political kind of trying to demonstrate clues, you don t know what you don t know, obviously, and i don t know everything, but so far nothing has demonstrated anything like collusion, so it hasn t even really slowed the administration down. and in the end, it s actually weakened putin because now they do this stuff so much that people are getting used to it. leland: well, has it weakened him it certainly hasn t weakened him internally. well, it has in the sense that putin is respected when he s strong, and he s pushing people around, and when he s not pushing people around like when somebody sends a 59-cruise missile message to your ally, that does make you look weaker. leland: okay. and so he s antagonized europe so much that he s actually created the pushback that he didn t want. and he is running out of spaces to meddle. so ironically, all this russian meddling is actually not really paying off for the russians. leland: interesting, interesting perspective, james. always good to hear from you. thanks so much. thank you for having me. leland: good to see you. liz? elizabeth: el with, the house well, the house republican bill to repeal and replace obamacare now heads to the senate. many of the same issues that stalled the bill in the lower chamber will be debated again and again in the upper chamber, but the process may take a little bit longer. allison barber has more. hi, allison. reporter: hi, elizabeth. you how remember that supporters of the bill in the house celebrated its passage in a very big way at the rose garden with the president. but that is just the first step in the senate the debate is only beginning. well, the senate will write its own bill. i mean, that s the way it works, right? they ll pass theirs, we ll pass ours, and then we ll go to conference. reporter: the house passed their bill thursday. some on the left like senator tim kaine say for starters they need to say the estimated cost. they rushed through a bill without knowing how many millions of people it would hurt, without knowing how much it would cost, without a protection for people with pre-existing conditions. reporter: and quite a few republicans are looking at it with caution. part of the problem i have is that the underlying premise of obamacare was that the federal government would, for the first time, buy insurance policy for people. that fundamental promise of obamacare is kept. some of the things we re going to have to work on, for example, are the refundable tax credit. we need to make sure that that s sufficient so that low income people can actually buy a policy. we will work together carefully to write our own bill. we will make sure we know what our bill costs. reporter: special budget rules allow the senate to pass health care with just 51 votes, but republicans probably need some help from democrats. republicans have the majority in the senate, but it s not as big as what they have in the house. elizabeth? elizabeth: all right. allison barber reporting live, thank you so much. for more, let s bring in sean noble and blake rutherford who served on hillary clinton s finance team in philadelphia. blake, i think i know what your response is going to be, so i m going to toss this first question to sean. sean, we saw a big celebration in the rose garden this week. jumping the gun a little bit on that? i don t know if it s jumping the gun as much as it s sending a message to the supporters of repealing obamacare that we ve takennen the first step and that this process is now underway. i think they needed to do it because there was some concern from the base that they weren t going to do it. they, you know, they had a false start where they didn t get the votes and they pulled the vote back a couple weeks ago, so i think they wanted to send a message that said, hey, we re serious about this, and we re taking steps to get obamacare repealed. elizabeth: blake, i want to bring you in, because i assume i know your response on this one, but i also want to ask you, you know, make no mistake about it, this is not what we re going to see in the senate. no, we re not going to see anything like this in the senate. i think we can expect the senate will take a paper shredder to the house bill. elizabeth: are they going to make sure they get all the republicans except two or get the democrats involved? mitch mcconnell has not expressed any interest in working with the democrats, so if reconciliation is the way they re going to go, i think they would be smart to revisit their strategy, however, because i think the house bill is so politically toxic already that the senate s distancing itself from it. they re going to have to revisit this entirely. we now have a house in play because, because they took that vote. so i think the senate will have to reconsider that s fundamentally not true. in a much different way. i think sean now will probably have to anytime that it was admit that it was a curious political strategy by the republicans. elizabeth: sean, i wanted to talk about that later, but you brought up 2018 so, sean, i want to let you respond. yeah. i think it s not necessarily curious strategy. the strategy is to use reconciliation to take the first step in repealing obamacare. this isn t going to happen in reconciliation. they re then going to go to regular process to do other reforms that are necessary to completely root this thing out. but this is far from being an election issue at this point. remember, the democrats passed a bill in 2009, in october or november of 2009, and celebrated it. then the senate passed a bill on christmas eve, a draft bill really. and then after they lost the scott brown seat or the ted kennedy seat to scott brown in january of 2010, they went to reconciliation. so we re using reconciliation to unwind what they put in place by reconciliation. so this is far from over, and i don t think it s going to be a bad thing for republicans come election 2018. i think by the time we get there if obamacare has not been repealed and it s still in place, it will have caused so many problems with rising premiums, businesses having to lay people off because of how expensive health care is, there s going to be a clamoring. and i think republicans were smart to start this process. and if they get done by election day, that s going to be better for them. elizabeth: okay, i want to move the conversation a little bit forward because i want to talk about the senate. that s what we re going to be talking about for the next couple of weeks, perhaps even june until we get that omb scoring. there s a dozen lawmakers getting together vying to make this a better law, and i want to talk optics because there s a lot of men in that group, there s a lot of white men. there s two women that are not included, susan collins from maine and lisa murkowski. so i want to toss to you, blake. when we talk about making this law better, do their need to be more voices at the table that we know of right now? oh, absolutely, there need to be more voices at the table. the thought that only 12 white men are going to craft a senate health care bill is preposterous. i mean, we certainly need to include not only women, but minorityies. and the republican party really has to think about the consequences of this house vote as they draft this bill because the house vote not only eliminates the pre-existing condition option, it taxes older americans, and it looks like that while we don t know what it s going to cost, that it s likely to kick some 24-26 million people off their health insurance which is just a wild endeavor while the only true benefit that any republican can talk about is that it gives tax cut to the wealthy. elizabeth: all right, sean if that s the senate plan, then sure, they can stick with this crew of 12 and achieve that same end. i certainly hope that s not the case. elizabeth: sean, i want to give you the last word. we did have representative rooney from south florida who said that initial omb report was completely false, so there are some voices that say we re going to be seeing a much more positive cbo score this go around, but i m going to go ahead and give you the last word. i think that we ll see a better score. i think that this is the beginning of the process. this is far from over. and for the democrats to be spiking the football saying we re going to win the majority over this, it s really premature for that. elizabeth: gentlemen, thank you so much. we ll be sure to have you back, because this debate is not going anywhere. thank you, gentlemen. thank you. elizabeth: for more on the health care debate and trump white house, be sure to tune into fox news tomorrow for an all new media buzz. howard kurtz talks to former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski at 11 a.m. eastern. and white house chief of staff reince priebus joins chris wallace on fox news sunday to weigh in on the next steps for the administration. check your local listings for time and channel. leland: not the news anybody wants to hear. more rain is on the way to the midwest. an area already dealing with flooding and extreme devastationing, the weather devastation, the weather has killed ten, and it is not over. meteorologist adam klotz with how bad it will get for folks up and down the mississippi: hi, adam. the biggest story as we continue on with this is just the rising water levels. so even though, yes, more rain on the way, the heaviest rain moved on out, but the water levels continue to rise. and that s the issue. areas across the midwest each one of these is under a flood watch, portions of indiana running down to the ohio river, eventually the mississippi, all cresting today and that s going to be a real problem for folks who live right along that waterway. we did see showers move on through the area just within the last couple of hours. this cell getting into portions of kentucky, now down over towards the tennessee area, eastern tennessee. as this moves off to the east, that s good news, it clears off on the back side. but this is a large system and all areas where we re going to see off and on showers. this isn t really heavy rain today, but it s just that rain that s going to linger. it s going to be cloudy, a little bit of a raw day for folks across the area. here s what it looks like on your future radar. this system continuing to slowly lift up to the north and east and not an all-day or consistent rain but off and on showers running into your sunday, eventually running into monday morning by the time this finally clears off and perhaps we see a little bit more sun shine. how much rain am i talking about? here s your forecast and precipitation. these aren t big numbers, anywhere from a couple tenths of an inch up to an inch or two inches. so it s just one of those weekends where it s a good idea, leland, probably keep that umbrella handy, but i m not expecting a lot more rainfall accumulation, not anything like we ve seen in the last week or so. leland: as you point out, the qume la cumulative effect in places like missouri is devastating. yeah, we re seeing it today. leland: adam, thank you. still ahead, we ll speak to the missouri governor on how he s planning to move forward after the severe storms. there s a drive there to get clean-up supplies to those who need it most. that s coming up later in the hour. elizabeth: coming up, one texas police officer turning himself in facing murder charges over the death of a 15-year-old boy. plus, we ll put aside the politics and break down just what is in the new health care bill known as trumpcare. and a photo finish. a dozen athletes from across one of the world s most famous borders in a stunt they say is just for one reason. it s not a protest. it s not a political statement. this is purely for human rights and casting a pot light on human suffering spotlight on human suffering and that every life is valuable. that s what this is about. that fresh air all up in your face. my cousin wilbur in the city has to wear a leash just to go for a stroll. i m sorry, that.no. but with propane, you can live where you want and how you want. and since it s both clean and reliable, you could say propane is man s best fuel. she knows what i m talkin about ykeep you sidelined.ng that s why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing. .what you love. ensure. always be you. my insurance rates are but dad, you ve got. .allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won t go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. it s good to be in, good hands. saw a car filled with five black teenagers leaving the property. originally, the police chief said the car was aggressively driving in reverse towards the officers, and that s why oliver fired, but after reviewing body camera video, the chief said the car was actually driving away from the officers when oliver was shot or when oliver shot edwards. oliver was fired tuesday, and the edwards family attorney is celebrating the murder charge. i honestly began to cry because i just did not believe that things could actually work the way that they re supposed to work. and so it was a very emotional moment for me. reporter: and oliver isn t the only officer making national headlines this week. on tuesday former south carolina police officer michael flager pleaded guilty after shooting an unarmed black man in the back after a traffic stop to. and then on wednesday, the doj declined to charge officers in the death offalton sterling, the louisiana of altonster sterling. liz. elizabeth: will carr, thank you so much. leland? leland: these folks are certainly dedicated as they took the plunge to show support, they say. a group of people swam across the border yesterday to show their support for immigrant and human rights. swimmers from the united states, mexico, israel and south africa were among the 12 athletes to make the swim in the pacific ocean from imperial beach, california, to tijuana. if you re counting, that is 6.2 miles. how do you carry your passport when you re swimming? elizabeth: maybe you get a waterproof case. leland: yeah. that guy s happy. elizabeth: all right. coming up after the break, a father of five killed in a random act of violence in las vegas. and the gop bill to repeal and replace obamacare is on its way to the senate. but what s in it? we re going to break through the partisan spin and get down to some facts for you coming up next. i think most importantly, yes, premiums will be coming down. yes, deductibles will be coming down. but very importantly, it s a great plan. heads to the senate where senate members say there are a lot of changes to come. a white house reporter at the wall street journal joins us now. nice to see you, louise. big picture here, you do get a sense this is going to be a lot hardener the senate than it was in harder in the senate than it was in the house. certainly, the margin of error is even slimmer. you can t afford to lose more than two senators in the gop caucus. there are at least three gop senators on both sides of the party spectrum who have said they want things that are irreconcilably different from what the other side wants. leland: senators re, cruz and rand paul who basically said not a chance. right. rand paul kind of out there on his own, so everybody has to figure out what s up with the three of them. leland: how much political capital does the white house really have to spend on this, or did they spend it all on the house? they certainly say they re going to be very engaged with the senate. they say people say they didn t think they could get it done in the house, they think they can apply the same sort of magic that they managed to eke out a leland: was this white house magic or paul ryan magic? you know, if you watched the rose garden ceremony on thursday, everybody was lavishing creditten on everybody credit on everybody. republican members had run on this for three straight elections and said whatever happened, they had to at least get something out of the house. that was the real magic. leland: we have of a lot of folks here who have a lot of history covering the white house and capitol hill as you do, and i don t know if anybody could remember the last time there was a ceremony in the rose garden after a bill passed one chamber. it was certainly a victory lap. on the other hand, getting that bill through the house against all the odds could quite reasonably be seen as a considerable victory against the odds for this white house. leland: well, certainly, they want to play it that way. with is there a danger or was there a calculus of whether there s a danger in having a moment like this if all of a sudden it fails in the senate? it also did leave the impression that this was going to be the great, shining moment for their effort. leland: yeah. well, it cuts both ways. after this, especially after it passed, we saw the sort of insane talking points from both sides really come out. if you listen to democrats, you know, if you ve ever stubbed your toe, you re not going to be able to get health care. if you listen to the president, dedeductibles and premiums are coming down, and more importantly as he said, it s going to be great. you get the sense that neither side s really telling you the full deal here. well, health policy is confusing and complicated, and that leaves a lot of room for partisanship. there are arguments that each side can maker for their case. what americans are ultimately wrestling with is this difference between whether you want lower premiums, which you could have, or whether you want to cover everyone regardless of their medical history, which you could always have. americans have never been asked to choose which one they want. leland: that s what politicians do, promise you thinks you can t have. happens all the time. the question though for the white house right now is really how far can we push in the senate to get this through. what cookies are on the table right now. well, the white house knows there are going to have to be changes in the senate. they don t necessarily think the senate is going to be rewriting it perhaps as aggressively as they also know that tax credits and the way they re structured in this new republican bill are on the table, so both are going to be things that occupy people for the next few weeks, months, however lock they re going at this. leland: how worried is the white house about the sound bites being created by the president of pre-existing conditions will be covered, you will have lower deductibles and premiums when we don t have the cbo scoring and really, as we learned from obamacare, there s a law of unintended consequences when it comes to health care legislation? certainly, the last administration did learn towards the end that some of the promises that president obama had made at the beginning were very hard to live up to. but they also saw those as necessary things that needed to be said at the time to get the bill passed. in some ways, you fight the battle that s immediately in front of you and worry about the later battle later. leland: and this white house seems okay with that philosophy as well. sor for now. leland: thanks again. great seeing you. liz? elizabeth: well, we ve been talking a lot about the election in france, but it s not the only big election on our radar this week. on tuesday south koreans will head to the polls to elect a new leader two months after the country s former president was impeached on corruption charges. u.s. relations hang in the balance while tensions rise in the korean peninsula. a 64-year-old civil rights lawyer has a strong lead. moon has been critical of u.s. deployment of an anti-ballistic missile defense system known as thad in south korea, seen here, a move the previous president had endorsed. and take a look at this. severe flooding swamps the midwest. people are not out of the woods just yet. we re going to talk with missouri s governor about the big clean-up and the danger his state is still facing after the break. and police are searching for the suspects seen here accused of fatally punching a stranger. the latest leads in that case and what we re learning about the victim in this very tragic story when we come back. that guy murdered my son. he was a husband, a father to five kids, and he was my best friend. pression is a tangle pression is a tangle of multiple symptoms. that s why there s trintellix, a prescription medication for depression. trintellix may help you take a step forward in improving your depression. tell your healthcare professional right away if your depression worsens, or you have unusual changes in mood, behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens and young adults. do not take with maois. tell your healthcare professional about your medications, including migraine, psychiatric and depression medications, to avoid a potentially life-threatening condition. increased risk of bleeding or bruising may occur, especially if taken with nsaid pain relievers, aspirin or blood thinners. manic episodes or vision problems may occur in some people. may cause low sodium levels. the most common side effects were nausea, constipation and vomiting. trintellix had no significant impact on weight in clinical trials. ask your healthcare professional about trintellix. leland: all right. now down to venezuela as the political crisis there continues. the death toll has risen now to at least 33 people that we know of as socialist president nicholas no during row increasingly cracks down on demonstrators simply calling for elections. that oil-rich country is dealing with hyperinflation and major food shortages due primarily to ma during row s radical left-wing policies. drop in oil prices have added to the country s troubles. u.s. national security adviser h.r. mcmaster met with the national assembly president yesterday who opposes ma during row. they maduro. based on this video, one wonders if a peaceful solution is possible. elizabeth: here in the u.s. people in the midwest are knee deep in clean-up this weekend after heavy rains caused severe flooding across parts of missouri, arkansas, illinois and louisiana. officials are blaming this flooding for at least six deaths in missouri alone with governor eric greitens declared a state of emergency. the mississippi and missouri rivers are expected to crest today. they could reach 12 feet above flood level, so people are not in the clear just yet. governor greitens joins us now from the phone in missouri. governor, thank you so much for joining us, sir. so you re not out of the woods yet, what are you telling residents today? look, this has been a historic flood in missouri. we ve had 13 major rivers and creeks that have passed all-time, historic highs, and tonight it s very possible that the mississippi near cape gerardo, missouri, is also going to hit a historic high. so we are still in the flood-fighting phase of this operation. i ve signed an executive order to get hundreds of national guard troops as well as thousands of volunteers out on the front line ands could not be prouder of the way the people of missouri have responded. first responders have conducted hundreds of rescue operations, literally saving hundreds of lives. we want everybody to stay safe, and everybody on front lines we appreciate their incredible volunteer work. elizabeth: yeah. some of the video that we re seeing is just absolutely, it s breathtaking. i want to talk to you a little bit about the economic impact. i mean, you re talking about towns that are completely underwater, but aside from the damage, i also want to ask you about commerce because there s roads, hundreds of roads that are closed. amtrak is not able to function and especially boat traffic when you talk about the rivers cresting today, so boat traffic is halted. so i want to ask you, sir, about the mic impact the economic impact. look, there has been, obviously, a major short-term economic impact because we have had hundreds of roads closed, lots of trains and, of course, ports which are incredibly important to us here in the state of missouri. longer term we have had some, you know, entire communities which were virtually underwater. i ve been in west plains, van buren, missouri, all of these communities incredibly hard hit including dozens of businesses, hundreds of homes. so for us as we get past the flood-fighting stage, we ll also be moving into the recovery phase. we have declared a state of emergency here. i have every expectation that this will lead the level for a federal disaster declaration, and we ll be bringing resources to the bear as part of this critical economic recovery as well. elizabeth: okay, you talk about resources. i m asking, have you asked for any assistance from the federal government? there s been a lot of talk when we ve seen natural disasters like in that these, perhaps, could be some of the programs or funding that is actually proposed to be cut out of the budget in 2018. so i want to ask you, have you gone to the federal government and asked for help? you know, i spoke to president trump last week, told him about what the situation was here, and his message was really clear. he just said, eric, we ve been watching you and the people of missouri, you re doing a great job, let us know anything we can do to help. so our next step in the process is to do formal assessments of all the the damage throughout the counties in missouri, and then we will make a declaration for this to be declared as a federal disaster which would then activate those federal resources. so i am planning to make that application. elizabeth: all right. my last question, you talked about the national guard and the volunteers. what else are you seeing on the ground there? i know you and i had talked before the break that really you re flabbergasted by some of the people who are reaching out to help the victims of this disaster. i ll tell you, i was in west plains, missouri, yesterday and this is a town that was incredibly hard hit. you had first responders saving lives, and then what i saw was so many volunteers from the red cross, from churches coming together to help their friends, their family and sometimes to help complete strangers clean out their house, make sure that they re providing warm meals, shelter, clothing. and it is really heartening to see the way the people of missouri are dealing with hardship but coming out stronger on the other side. elizabeth: all right. governor greitens, thank you so much for joining us. you are in our thoughts and prayers, sir. god bless you. thank you. leland: now to san francisco where a truck driver escaped unharmed after his truck fell into a sinkhole. the sinkhole was about 5 feet deep, 15 feet wide. the driver had pulled over and stopped when he noticed his truck was starting to sink. then they pulled the truck back out. hmm. elizabeth: all right. coming up after the break, seeking justice. one heart broken family is asking your help to find a man who allegedly murdered this father of five children with just a single sucker punch. plus it was just a year ago that new yorkers first beheld the hinten berg soaring majestically past the new york skyline. elizabeth: remembering one of the worst aviation disasters in history caught on film 80 years ago today. 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it s just sickening to me. that guy murdered my son. he was a husband, a father to five kids. and he was my best friend. reporter: the campos brothers, there are four of them in all, had arranged a rare get-together in vegas to celebrate adam s upcoming wedding. the brothers say louie was loving every minute of that trip, and they loved every minute they spent with him. now, they just want to see justice for that man who took their brother s life. leland? leland: makes you angry in so many ways to watch that video. jonathan hunt in los angeles. jonathan, thank you. we want to give you an opportunity to see the surveillance video again. not much of a description, but there s a lot you can tell from a video like that, the way they walk, the way they hold their hands. if you have any information on the suspects, you can help. call the las vegas metropolitan police department, 702-828-3521. elizabeth: coming up, devils of the deep putting op a very colorful display at a national park in florida. we ll explain. it s how well you mow fast. it s not how fast you mow. .it s how well you mow fast! they re not just words to mow by, they re words to live by. the john deere ztrak z345r. up close and personal encounter, according to news harold, schools of the dark-colored fish have spent the last week making their way on what s known as the kitty pool. i ve been there, it s beautiful. they don t have barbs so they can sting but, of course, wildlife experts does not recommend petting them. i would say telling me not to worry when that s in the water, i m going to worry. they don t have barbs. they know that how? 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happenstance? yes, absolutely. the irony of roger stone rejecting a conspiracy theory. and so today, april 13th, 2017, was the day that america woke up to the sudden knowledge that bombs have mothers. that all of the conventional nonnuclear bombs in the american military arsenal have one big beautiful mother. and there she is. the bomb s official name for bookkeeping purposes in the military is the gbu-43. the letters on the side of the bomb describe its function, what you can expect from it. massive ordnance air blast. but the military doesn t want us to call it the gbu-43, or the moab. names are important to the military. they name their bases after war heroes, after general, including generals who have committed treason by fighting in the confederate army against the united states of america. the biggest u.s. military base in the world, the one with the biggest military population is in fort hood in texas, named after treasonous confederate general john bell hood. but the military s most important names, the names that are designed to deliver a message sometimes subliminal, sometimes very direct are the names of weapons. the military s best names for weapons humanize the weapons. that is what they are intended to do. the gbu-43, the biggest nonnuclear bomb the united states has never, ever used until today, april 13th, 2017. the gbu-43 had to wait years for its first use. during the bush administration, it replaced the blu-82, which until then was our biggest bomb. the blu-82 was used frequently in vietnam. the military ace name for it was the daisy cutter. not the baby killer. not the family killer. not the village killer. the daisy cutter. the military s nicknames for bombs are designed to do two things. impress you with something about the bomb. its precision, its power, its enormity. but the best military names for weapons and bombs are designed to inspire awe and affection. and so the bomb that the bush and obama administration refused to use and has now been used by the trump administration is called the mother of all bombs. when the president was asked today about using that bomb for the first time in history, it sounded like he did authorize th the bomb in that instance. it sounded like perhaps he had given the general authorization to general mattis to use whatever weapon he decided was right for the mission. did you authorize it, sir? everybody knows exactly what happened. what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done a great job as usual. we have given them total authorization. and that s what they re doing. frankly, that s why they ve been so successful lately. the president got glowing review last week from most of the media in his first use of tomahawk missiles, his reviews on the use of the military s most destructive nonnuclear bomb will have to wait until there are at lst initial reports on the number of civilian casualty, if any, and what tactical gain was achieved by the gbu-43. now to the news that donald trump cannot bomb away, the guardian is reporting that british intelligence first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious interactions between figures connected to trump and known or suspected russian agents. this intelligence was passed to the u.s. as part of a routine exchange of information. sources also told the paper that over the next six monday. until summer of 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between trump s inner circle and the russians. the european countries that passed on electronic intelligence included germany, estonia and poland. according to the guardian, the alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of russian intelligence assets. at no point was british intelligence carrying out an operation against donald trump or his campaign. former trump campaign adviser carter page, who was the subject of a foreign intelligence surveillance court warrant last summer said this morning that he may have discussed lifting u.s. sanctions on russia during a trip to moscow last year. it sounds like from what you re saying it s possible that you may have discussed the easing of sanction. something may have come up in a conversation. i have no recollection. wikileaks, i love wikileaks. boy, that wikileaks has done a job on her, hasn t it? this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. joining us now, malcolm nance, msnbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst. david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. and david frump, senior editor. i want to talk about the massive bomb that was dropped today and your interpretation of its use and what you think it might have been able to achieve in that usage. well, the gbu-43 is really just an area destruction device. it s designed to make a big blast over pressure. a lot of earthquaking, knock down tunnel, destroy people and tunnels that are out in the field. it s just another bomb. and i think people are sort of looking over the fact that it was dropped in a combat zone. a b-52 carrying 32 j-dam bombs could have caused much more devastation with much more precision. the air force wanted to use this device, and they did. david fromm, the reports today, it wasn t just the british picking up something involving trump world and the russians, estonia, poland. it sounds like there was a lot to pick up. and the polls have particularly sophisticated intelligence service, and have been very interested in the ukraine case. poland and ukraine are neighbors with deep histical relaonships. poland contains many more consulates in ukraine than the united states does and it knows a lot about the career of paul manafort. that name would ring some very noisy alarm bells in warsaw. david corn, the way the we just heard the cia director talk about wikileaks compared to the way the president has talked about wikileaks. it s another one of those congressional i don t know. that s crazy talk. but nevertheless, it is so absurd, you know, because at the same time donald trump still says this is all a hoax. malcolm nance, you have literally written the book about this, about the russian influence in this election and what they were up to. just give us your assessment about the last 24 hours of new informatio well, i m afraid to say this is what separates intelligence officers from journalists, you know. i wrote this almost seven months ago now. that if you were ever going to get a scoop with relation to information coming out about the trump administration s activities related to foreign intelligence, it was going to come from a foreign intelligence agency. pretty sure that i said estonia would be the first one. because as we learned, they have very close ties with the united states and other allied nations. and they re very, very good at certain types of special intelligence. that s what we call signals intelligence. and our sister gchq and dgsc in france, they have a vested interest in knowing what is going on there. on the other hand, it was very surprising to finally hear mike pompeo come out and declare wikileaks a nonstate hostile intelligence agency. i wrote a whole chapter in my book about how wikileaks was nonstate intelligence company and a subsidiary of the fsb. that being said, it s going to be fascinating for anyone who has now been found to cooperate with wikileaks. because this is essentially him verbalizing in an unclassified setting an intelligence finding that they were in league, not only with russian intelligence perhaps by extension, but now a designated nonstate hostile intelligence agency. it s going to make for some very, very interesting congressional investigations and trials. there. are people in the trump tillerson admitted it. nikki haley admitted it. mike pompeo said it today. while roger stone is out there pushing conspiracy theorys on this network and others. so can they kind of act as if they re legitimate, even when they re working for a fellow who denies the original sin of this administration and still continues to say things that make no sense? i think the answer to that, david, would be from a moral point of view, maybe not. from a practical point of view, everybody has to be less fussy. malcolm nance, isn t it a question of what are they saying from this point forward? when you look at what tillerson was saying the week before the chemical attack in syria, he seemed like he hadn t even found his way around the office yet and didn t have the vaguest idea what a reasonable talking point sounded like on syria, saying he was going to leave it to, what, haley as u.n. ambassador has been far ahead of even mcmaster and mattis. and the strength of her statements about russia and syria. and so now it appears that it s coming together at least on these two points, even though as i contend, the attack on syria was a complete wash. we didn t destroy anything. we didn t destroy chemical weapons. we just showed that we knew how to turn the key and launch cruise missiles. so i think that the white house in some respects is coming together. and if these threats and statements about north korea are true, as we re going to talk about a little later, they had better get their acts together. because this is the sort of talk that will bring this nation into war or to a crisis that will, you know, resemble the paces to war. david, when you talk about hemming in a president, that has been done in the past in a more subtle way. just the advisers would basically the experts in the areas of defense or whatever it was would present a set of possibilities. only one of which looked possible and the others just weren t. and so that was always the traditional way if the advisers were trying to hem in the president. well, it is a more extreme way, which you ll rember from the history, james schlesinger in the last days of watergate telling the nuclear command by the way, i m putting myself as secretary of defense into the nuclear command. if you get any funny orders from the president, just run them past me. this was when president nixon was up drunk late at night in the white house. taking pills. and approaching the point of being forced to resign. his said don t take any nuclear orders from him in the middle of the night. right. unless you cleared them with me. so presidents can be hemmed in. the question, how many weeks did that occur over? relatively short period of time. can you do it over four years? probably not. in the end, the president fires a all of these people. and one of the things that donald trump s displayed is, and he has done it now to his white house staff, steve bannon and others, he doesn t like it when anyone near him gets too big. and right now mattis is very big, and tillerson is getting bigger, and nikki haley in particular is getting very big. how will the president feel about that tomorrow, next week, the week after that. david corn, isn t that a matter of how saturday night live treats it? if saturday night live says nikki haley is the brains of the trump white house, that s when the clock starts ticking? i would amend david s astute observation. it s not how people around donald trump getting big. it s how it s portrayed and perceived. and because that s really how he views the world. he views the world and how the world is viewing him. the reality doesn t matter as much. and if we talk about hemming in and mcmasters getting his hands around the national security council and mattis, we see it only takes trump seven seconds to say something or even less seconds to tweet something about north korea or something else that can be incredibly destabilizing. so you can hem in a guy to a certain degree. but when he is up at 6:00 in the morning, i don t think mattis or mcmasters or even his wife are looking over his shoulders. so there still is a lot of instability there. should nbc have some kind of corporate ethics officer in the saturday night live writings room saying please don t say anything about nikki haley overnight. no, no corporate interference there. but maybe for the sake of the country they should. we don t want those jokes. they re all patriots at snl. they re all patriots. that s right. they re right upstairs. david frum, a pleasure. coming up, nbc news exclusive reporting that the trump white house has a plan for a presumptive strike on north korea. and the democratic candidate in georgia in that special election for a house seat has a huge lead in the polls. that s a seat that has been republican for 38 years. that candidate is going to join us later. i didn t really know anything about my family history. went to ancestry, i put in the names of my grandparents first. i got a leaf right away. a leaf is a hint that is connected to each person in your family tree. i learned that my ten times great grandmother is george washington s aunt. within a few days i went from knowing almost nothing to holy crow, i m related to george washington. this is my cousin george. discover your story. start searching for free now at ancestry.com the last few days we ve seen a number of shifts by the american president. what should the american people make of the shifts? 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[bullfighting music] really another successful job. we re very, very proud of our military. just like we re proud of the folks in this room. we are so proud of our military. and it was another successful event. joining us now, the former ambassador to the african union. and deputy assistant secretary of state for african affairs. back with us, david corn. ambassador, i want to get your reaction to the bomb today. you studied the aftermath of bombings, especially as it affects the civilian casualties and other unintended consequences. what do you expect to find when we finally see the results of this bomb? well, lawrence, the first question is what was the target and why was the target necessary to be attacked with this particular weapon. and then the second question is what was the calculus that the military made with the regard to the potential impact of civilians in that area. the gbu-43, the so-called mother of all bombs is an 11-ton weapon that has blast effects that go well beyond a mile. and it s frankly hard to imagine a circumstance on which you could drop a weapon like that without having any consequences whatsoever on civilians. so i m very interested in asking the questions about what exactly was the target, and how did the military make the calculation that attacking that target would be worth whatever potential impact it would be on civilians. and ambassador, do you sense that in the decision to use this particular bomb, that there was an intent to deliver a message with it that this bomb delivers because malcolm nance has mentioned in the previous segment that you could have done the same destructive work with other devices. well, there certainly could be some sort of signaling or psychological impact on what the use of that weapon. although what would expect that that desired effect would have been taken into decision, if that were the case works have been taken at a higher level. could be there were particular aspects about the contours of the target that were being attacked. but that s the problem. we don t know. for the unprecedented use of a weapon like this, there are certainly more questions than answers. and as they say, asking the question what exactly was a target that justified this kind of weapon is something i think we simply need to have a responsible. let s listen to what secretary of defense rumsfeld said when this bomb was first being brought online for the military and first being tested, he was asked about this new bomb. let s listen to this. is there a psychological component to this massive new bomb? there. is a psychological component to all aspects of warfare. the goal is to not have a war. the goal is to have the pressure be so great that saddam hussein cooperates. short of that, an unwillingness to cooperate, the goal is to have the capabilities of the coalition so clear and so obvious that there is an enormous disincentive for the iraqi military to fight against the coalition. david corn, the bomb was available to the bush administration. it was available to the obama administration every day. they chose never to use it. and we have yet to find out exactly what went into the decision for the trump administration to use it, and whether the president even knew that it was beg ed before it was used. let s start with the principle, the assumption that the people who were bombed know they were bombed. and so nothing that happened is a secret to them. they know where they were. they know what happened. i think the american public is now owed similar information. as the ambassador said, what was the intended target, and did it hit the intended target? why was this weapon needed when other alternatives were not used? and you know, what can we learn about civilian casualties and collateral damage as they you have call it. this one weapon, we can get maybe overly overwrought about it. but i still think since they used it for the first time these questions still should be answered. i don t see any reason why the american public can t get these simple answers. it s a $15 million bomb. ambassador bringingety, why did the bush administration, the obama administration decide never to use that bomb? there could be any number of reasons. one might be frankly that the particular tactical circumstances never presented themselves. and by that to be able to use a weapon that is that has that kind of blast radius, you would have do be very confident of one two of things. either that there would be virtually no civilians that would be impacted by the blast, or that the target that you were attacking was of such profound military value that it would justify the sorts of civilian casualties that would result. so one could be that neither the bush administration nor the obama administration ever found themselves in that particular sort of circumstances. another could be that frankly, the weapon that is that large, it s hard to imagine environments short of dropping it on the moon that you would like not be likely to impact civilians. and frankly, what we may be seeing is frankly a very different set of calculus that are being taken by the trump administration as impact for civilian casualties and the willingness they re prepared to give to the military commanders to have that sorts of flexibility of decision making on the ground. how long will it take to get the after action report on this bomb? it depends. it depends on how much access u.s. and coalition forces have to the area, whether there is a permissive environment that will allow that. frankly, it also depends on whether or not other hostile forces take their own crews in to make videos of potential civilian casualties for their own propaganda efforts. so we ll have to wait and see. we ll leave there it for tonight. david corn, thank you very much for joining us. ambassador brigety, we re going to need you for one more segment here. coming up, the reporting that the president trump administration has a plan for preemptive attack on north korea. but every administration has such an attack plan, has had such an attack plan on north korea. will this one be used? 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well, it s quite possible that now that e conditions have changed, north korea may in fact be either planning an atomic detonation, or some sort of surprise with regards to their intercontinental ballistic testing machine. just in case. the problem here with the trump administration is over the last two weeks they ve used phrases from the secretary of state himself like imminent threat . those words that if china doesn t help us, we will go it alone. those words resonate. not just to the north koreans, but to everyone in the entire region that maybe this time the war plan the united states has is something that they re taking very seriously, and that they tend to intimidate north korea. north korea doesn t intimidate very well, and that these words could have very, very serious dramatic action. let s listen to what former obama cia director and defense secretary leon panetta said about this tonight. there are no good options here. if we were to try to attack them, they would virtually wipe out seoul. and if it became a nuclear war, which is likely, millions of lives would be lost. and that s the reason we haven t pulled the trigger. ambassador brigety, is it possible, is there another possibility that if a weapons system was attacked in north korea from the united states, that north korea would simply take the hit, that they would just absorb the hit and not attack south korea? i have never heard of any analyst that follows the region that thinks that s a possibility. we have is a very mercurial regime in pyongyang, particularly under this younger rur kim jongn, who has not only demonstrated his willingness to show belligerent through mill tests but willing to kill his own kin, as we saw by a successful assassination attempt by his half-brother in kuala lumpur. we certainly have uncertainty on the leadership on both sides of this equation, uncertainty with the leadership of kim jong un, and frankly, and respectfully uncertainty in regard to president trump who has demonstrated the ability to change 180 degrees, whether it be syria, on china, with regard to the irrelevance of nato, his view on profound pillars of the international system. and that level of uncertainty on both sides of the equation is what is new in this particular circumstance, and frankly, what is so disconcerting. malcolm nance, if you war game this out for the president, he takes a preemptive strike against north korea. you have to then war game for the president what north korea is going to do. would there be anyone war gaming that in the pentagon or in the white house with any credibility saying that no south koreans would then be killed by north korea? well, yes. we ve been red teaming this, war gaming this since 1953. and in every scenario, like the ambassador said, north korea, you know, they have this proclivity towards moving to the extreme. and for them sinking a vessel, coming out, you know, interdicting commercial and naval traffic throughout the sea of japan, or launching thousands of rockets into south korea, that s the way they red team this game. they understand and they know that america knows that the only options here when given this, and this is why leon panetta was so distraught in his words is that they have the option of creating massive numbers of casualties. in south korea, whether it s going out and engaging on a military force. but let me tell you. one last thing. this isn t my usual area of expertise. you know, in the western pacific. however, there is one thing that i do know. north korea is so dug in with their weapon systems since the korean war, since 1953 when it ended that the only way you re going to get rid of that nuclear program is to burn it out with a nuclear bomb. and we are not going to carry out that type of attack. north korea now has demonstrated atomic weapons systems. and we don t know how their delivery systems or whether they ve been perfected. and they don t have to be perfected. they can put out out on a trawler in the sea of japan and detonate it and make things very unpleasant for japan and south korea. it s something we shouldn t even be discussing is now being discussed. we re going have to leave it there for tonight. malcolm nance gets the last word. ambassador brigety and malcolm nance, thank you for join us. coming up, coming up on tuesday in georgia, democrat jon ossoff has a big lead in that race. and he will join us next. i m going to the bank, to discuss a mortgage. ugh, see, you need a loan, you put on a suit, you go crawling to the bank. this is how i dress to get a mortgage. i just go to lendingtree. i calculate how much home i can afford. i get multiple offers to compare side by side. and the best part is. the banks come crawling to me. everything you need to get a better mortgage. clothing optional. lendingtree, when banks compete, you win. okay! .awkward. before fibromyalgia, i was a doer. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. she also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. woman: for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have tse, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don t drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can be more active. ask your doctor about lyrica. in the next special election for a vacant congressional seat, which is going stop in georgia, the democrat has a 31-point lead over his closest republican challenger. tom price vacated the seat to join the trump cabinet. in november, price won that seat by 24 points. donald trump won the district by just one point. tonight jon ossoff is running at 43% in the polls. his closest challenger is at 12%. the top two finishers will face each other in a runoff election, unless one of the candidates gets over 50% of the vote. the district is in suburban atlanta. it has been a republican district for 38 years. this used to be newt gingrich s district. the leading republican candidate is karen handel, who used to be vice president of the komen foundation. she resigned from the foundation after she urged them to cut off grants to planned parenthood. today at an event closed to the press, president trump quietly rolled back protects for planned parenthood, signing a bill that will allow states and local governments to withhold federal money to planned parenthood. democrat jon ossoff joins us next. t. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. at&t is working with farmers to improve irrigation techniques. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh . he got there. that s the power of and. eep. you had a long, stressful day, and now you need a little help falling asleep. time for unisom sleepminis. the little capsules work fast so you get a good night s sleep and wake recharged. unisom sleepminis. a stressful day deserves a restful night. so we know how to cover almost alanything.ything, even a coupe soup. 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[ cheering ] that s republican senator jeff flake at a town hall meeting in mesa, arizona tonight. it is still happening. that shappening. that s a live image of what s going on there right now. we are joined now by john ossoff a candidate for congress in georgia s sixth district this. district has been republican for 38 years. it was newt gingrich rich s district. tom price had an easy re-election there. but the striking thing there is donald trump won the district by only one point. how did that happen? tom price won by own 20, and donald trump on the same ballot took it by only one. thank you for having me. this community where i grew up is a moderate pragmatic district. economically minded. it recognizes that extremism is bad for business. i wasn t effective principled leadership. doestize identify as partisan or idea logical. i think that s why the president had a probable here. i m focusing on local economic development and shared values in the community that bring people to go. how much of an issue has the republican repeal of the affordable care act act how much has that been an issue in your district? it was of major concern. you are talking about a proposal to throw 24 million off of their health insurance back into the emergency room at taxpayer exsense. it also would have gutted the georgia based centers for disease control and prevention which helps the whole country. it was an unpopular bill here. so, too, as today s closed door signing of a bill attacking family planning and reproductive health been greeted with concern in this district. there has been a lot of outside help for you in this campaign. the fund is obviously surprising everyone. it is a massive amount of funding for a congressional campaign. were you surprised that you were able to attract that much campaign help? it has taken on a bit of a life of its own. i m proud of the fact that it s small dollar grassroots fun raising. the average an trick to my campaign is $42. when you have super pacs from washington coming in with cynical partisan attacks on candidates like me who are standing up against corruption and for a change in corruption i m glad it s grassroots funding if no one clears 50% on tuesday. the runoff will be on june 20th. the early numbers suggest an outright win on tuesday is possible. either way we will be ready to fight and win if there is a runoff. in your strategy, do you have to hold some of your financial resources for that possible runoff and not go all out on advertising spending between now and tuesday? we are doubling down right now on a win on tuesday, because it is within reach. the grassroots intensity in georgia is unlike anything that i ve seen in this community before. there are thousands of volunteers knocking on doors and making phone calls. it s a hopeful and inspiring scene here in georgia. folks in the community are really standing up. it s a broad coalition ready for some fresh leadership and i think we have a great shot on tuesday of an outright win. this was not one those campaigns that you could plan, that you could look out two years out and say i think i m going to go for that seat. this suddenly came up because there was suddenly a vacancy, donald trump surprises the world, wins the election, and then chooses your congressman for his cabinet. when did you decide to make a run for this seat? well, after the presidential election, i began to think about whether i needed to get more involved directly now. i asked i myself if not now, when, when i learned that my hometown congressman was vey kagtd i started looking at the race. the moment i set my heart on it was after a meeting with john lewis. he told me i should run and that he would endorse me if i did and i walked out of that meeting with my mind made up. john ossoff, candidate for georgia s sixth congressional district. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you for having me. coming up, donald trump versus donald trump. you do all this research on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should ve done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance. it can seem like triggersent. pop up everywhere. luckily there s powerful, 24-hour, non-drowsy claritin. it provides relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 different allergens. live claritin clear. but we ve got the get tdigital tools to help. now with xfinity s my account, you can figure things out easily, so you won t even have to call us. change your wifi password to something you can actually remember, instantly. add that premium channel, and watch the show everyone s talking about, tonight. and the bill you need to pay? 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