class= nosel > div class= colspacer > div class= gutr > mercedes making payments on that mercedes, the defense wolf for its part, has been arguing all along that there was no wrongdoing, that there were no bribes in some ways, the senator and his wife lived separate lives and also that any money that nadine menendez may have received was alone. now we re gonna be hearing more of this he witnessed jose uribe when he continues to take the stand on monday. well so how long do you think jason this trial is going to continue? sorry about that well-fed to new york busy street bus going by, repeat that. how long do we expect the trial to continue sure. well, the trial is already been going on for about four weeks and we re expecting this trial to last for several more weeks before it s concluded. so may sometime by the end of the month or the beginning of the next month, when nay deans trial is also expected to get underway. jason carroll in new york for us, jason, thank you very much. i m wolf blitzer in this situation room. thanks. very very much for watching the news continues next on sienna he s d-day trip to france with his host and emmanuel macron just ahead, we ll find out what s likely to be on the agenda and the two leaders meet in paris later today. harrowing accounts from ukrainian pows and those forcibly deported to russia will speak with an officer of a global advocacy campaign determined to help tell this stories dozens killed following the sudanese of militia attack when a village south of the capital civil war rages and the sudanese army is valid retribution the u.s. and french presidents to sit to showcase the long-standing relationship between the countries in the hours ahead, emmanuel macron will play host to joe biden with a parade precession in paris and a state dinner it s coming on the heels of the 80th anniversary of d-day. and a day after mr. biden met with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy in paris where he apologized for months of delay delivering us military aid when mr. biden also went to point the hook, the site of a brutal battles during the d-day invasion japan in world war ii. he used it as a backdrop to send a message about threats to democracy, saying that s what us soldiers died four in normandy we re not asking us to give or risk our lives but they re asking us to care for others and our country more than ourselves they re not asking us to do their job. they re asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time to defend democracy for more on this, cnn international diplomatic editor nick robinson joins us now live from london. nick tell us the reaction to biden s speech and also his apology to president zelenskyy about the delay of us funds and weapons this is a speech that really was designed to resonate with a us audience. in particular, appealing to the young and they re sort of need to recognize the threats that exist to the democracy that the world war ii vets 44 and therefore, they will probably need to step up to that challenge during their lifetime. there was that there was really a message there that isolationism doesn t work. that was perhaps a domestic message to republicans and donald trump who perhaps will seek to cut ties with nato partners, which is something that has a lot of concern in europe. but this was a message really that was intended for a domestic audience. but the message for president zelenskyy was that one that you heard an apology there? president zelenskyy for his part. also spoke about the importance of the political challenges in the united states to him, saying that bipartisan support is important. and our meeting here is, we re symbolic. it s very important that you stay with us this bipartisan support with the congress. it s very important that in this unit, united states america, all american people stay with ukraine, like it was during world war ii now says helped to save human lives, to save your this is really the big message that s come across through the weekend of commemorations or the week of commemorations of d-day because it s analogous with what s happening today. and that s something president zelenskyy, border president macrons brought up. president biden two a nicaea. we know that prison biden, he s meeting with his hosts, emmanuel macron in the coming hours, we followed by a state dinner. this is obviously a very resilient relationship, but there are differing opinions amongst these two liters especially with the war in gaza with the war in gaza in particular president macron has been much more of an advocate for an immediate ceasefire and a pressure for that. he would like to see united states put greater pressure on israel to bring that about. there are differences over ukraine as well. president macron, when you met with president zelenskyy yesterday, one of the things they discussed was a coalition of trainers military trainers from nato nations to be placed actually inside ukraine to train ukrainian forces are when president macron has mentioned that in the past, the united states has been very careful to say that s not a position they have at the moment president macron will be very mindful of the fact that the next time he meets a precedent on us, on french soil, it could be president donald trump again, remembering that went donald trump came into office. president macron hosted m and carefully tried to build hold that relationship, but it was still very bumpy and difficult and for president macron, there s a clear recognition that an isolationist united states, which is something that donalds, a donald trump presidency could bring leads, leaves, countries like france and germany and the uk very much in the lead and alone and supporting ukraine. and that will undoubtedly be somewhat of the conversation as they discuss those jaw challenges have peace in the middle east and how to bring stability to ukraine. but more importantly, for macron, what can be sealed in any deals now with a bite inside a biden presidency that can lost an enduring during the next american presidency nic robertson, joining us from london. thank you new developments in israel, hamas war, first-day key member of israel s war cabinet could quit today. benny gantz has threatened to leave the cabinet and the government and says he ll take his party with him. we ll have more on that in just a moment. or meanwhile, the united nations is adding the israeli military, hamas and palestinian islamic jihad to a blacklist of groups that harm children gaza s ministry of health says more than 15,000 palestinian children have been killed in the israel-hamas war. israel denies deliberately targeting civilians. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu posted this on social media. you when put itself today on histories blacklist, when it adopted the absurd claims of hamas, the idf is the most moral military in the world and no flat earth decision by the un secretary general can change that. also on friday, israel struck several locations across gaza, including school. will gaza civil defense says that the school was being used as a shelter for displaced palestinians three people were killed israel says it used precise munitions to target a container on the school grounds that hamas was using next week, us secretary of state antony blinken is heading to the middle east. next week to increase pressure for a ceasefire and hostage release deal. cnn s paula hancocks has more now on benny gantz s threat to leave israel s war cabinet. and the government saturday, june 8 is the de, that the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu may find himself even more isolated, both domestically and internationally. it is the self pose deadline that benny gantz, the former defense minister and a key member of the war cabinet, and gave himself, he gave conditions to benjamin netanyahu saying that if those conditions weren t met on june 8th, he would walk away from the coalition. he wanted a definite plan on how to get the hostages back. he wanted to know so what the day after plan was from netanyahu, and he wanted to know how he was going to calm the situation on the northern border so that tens of thousands of residents could move back there. now these conditions have not been met. we do understand that us officials have tried to persuade gantz not to walk away at this point because they how concerned about what that could mean for the hostage ceasefire deal. that is according to us officials, familiar with those conversations, we don t know. however, whether that has had any bearing on what gantz will do. so at 8:40 p.m. local time on saturday night, he will make an announcement and decide whether or not he is going to be walking away from that cohen religion now if he does decide to walk away, it doesn t mean the coalition collapses because netanyahu s still has a majority, although it is a slimmer majority, what it does mean is that netanyahu is a lot more isolated with gantz out of the war cabinet and couldn t make decisions more difficult within that key war cabinet as well. and it comes just days before the us secretary of state antony blinken is coming back to the region. we know who we meeting with egypt, qatar, and also were israel trying to push this hostage deal forward? paula hancocks, cnn, jerusalem the american economy looks strong. it s creating more jobs than expected. so why is wall street less than in foods will take a look plus the lavish gifts strips, and a book deals going to us supreme court justices. what new filings are revealing coming the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher. biden. democracy is on the bow of your freedom is on the ballot. trump, there is nothing we can do i do we will make america powerful again, the president and the former president once day two, very different visions for america s future. the weight only cnn can bring it to you, moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn 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in may, far more than expected and american workers earning more as well with wage growth coming in stronger than expected. average hourly earnings. and now up for 0.1% on the year outpacing inflation on the flip side unemployment rose to 4% for the it s time in over two years ryan patel is a senior fellow at the drucker school of management, it claremont graduate university. he s joining us via skype from los angeles. ryan, always good to see you tell us, what do these numbers say about the us economy? confusion i guess, right? you re looking for these reports to come out and say, this is the direction that the economy is going but the number is kinda show both pictures where unemployment kinda continuous rise wage growth rises, but jobs are actually increased as well. so what i mean by that, what it means is that looking at the federal reserve, so they can do choose, decide to decrease interest rates. but this jobs report does not help the case. it also shows a painted picture that is divided on both sides and so i don t want the word is confusion, i guess for those looking from the outside, looking in, and it means that the fed, the federal reserve will continue to pulled pat on not decrease in interest rate because the numbers are not still fighting an inflation as it wants to these 272,000 jobs added. i mean, the numbers are misleading as you say, because of the way that the surveys are conducted, payroll obviously focuses on large companies, but the broader household surveys suggest that unemployment is ticking up so why are they not aligned well, i think also there s a couple of things capturing. think about these surveys how they re capturing it, where they re capturing at what time is it being captured? i also think the gig worker is not being captured in this as well, people choosing not to come back into the workforce there s another thing. so where do you categorize those types of folks in those and also companies choosing, think about small businesses if wages starting to go up, they re going to have less employees on w2, which means that they re going to probably go contract or roles and so that gets reported differently as well. and then you think about some of these industry trees where you think of that job growth out of that report, it was health care government, leisure and hospitality these are consistent with the trends that are growing where the other sectors or not and then there is this, i guess confusion on the stock market you ve got the magnificent seven. are these big companies outperforming, making record profits? they re hiring obviously remains strong with small to medium enterprises suffering yeah. no, i think it was clear in this report in the last couple of reports that small businesses are struggling. i think when you mentioned that magnificent seven, you have to call out nvidia of this the record growth big head, and that s holding the market, i would say and the word ai for a couple of those amd and others are pulling the market up so that trend goes hot brings the market go up. now, mind you when the market goes down and typically who are those, who would the tech talks are taking the town with them. is these very, very sudden that you mentioned. so i think that s where you see the market, but i think small businesses are really feeling it because of wages are becoming more expensive. supply chain cost to goods are expensive and i think that s part of why i think though the biden white house is trying to before the before the white house, before the november election, to do more at the consumer level where they can keep the consumer spending at a high. and so it d be interesting to see what happens next. employments is strong. i mean, that suggests that the economy is in good shape, but i guess not everybody is feeling that. and then you mentioned prison of biden. i mean, this is a big problem. him ceiling. he s economic performance, the strength of the economy because inflation is hurting poor people the most yeah, you ve got the economic fundamentals. you see the numbers and you look at the back end. and then when you see where prices of increased in what parts of the country, what types of dimmer demographics it turns to be when you see these numbers that you see your bank account, i think the word they d been using as vibes. you don t feel that you re getting the economic benefit out of what the market is doing. and i think for president biden is uphill battle for him to face these type of vibes or feelings that people are feeling because they re not spending as much even though consumer spending overall has been there, but that doesn t mean with all the difference from groups that are there and even certain companies and they are sitting on the sideline holding cash instead of investing it. furthermore, because they don t, they re still not sure where the market is and things are expensive because of industries being high. so people are not taking loans out. there are waiting and waiting to see when that occurs. and so it does cause his buildup. where you see shelter prices, rent increase in wages don t always keep up with that. and so it is interesting the dilemma that the president, president biden the white house needs to be talking about the rhetoric has been interesting and it hasn t been really working when it comes to somethings exit polls and surveys and then i guess the biggest question in the markets is when will the fed cut rates? and i guess that s not going to happen while employment remained strong i with you now, the market the market wants as of today, the market thought over 60% of the trend or the guesses were that they mark the future market was saying that they were going to see a wake rate cut in september well, we ll find out next week when the fed meets, when what the rhetoric looks like. but i can tell you this i d be hard pressed to think that they re gonna make a cut in september, right before election. and if they did is 25 basis point. no, that doesn t mean very much. and that would mean that they would start cutting it down as of today. i don t see them doing that based on the data that we have. things can change until september, but it seems like maybe we ll get a rate cut by the end of the year and then going into next year, have a better plan, but to me it doesn t look good for september, even though the market, future markets are saying it s still over 50% chance that occur. but i think it s still coming down that percentage when we get closer. my money is on ryan patel, any day of the week, right. to tell oa or pleasure, love with his speak to you appreciate you. thank you. when you financial disclosure forms filed by us supreme court justices are revealing the lavish gifts. some of them have received from a vacation in bali to be on-site tickets sent by the superstar herself. scene ends. bryan todd takes a closer look. conservative supreme court justice clarence thomas finally discloses one of his controversial trips, a 2019 trip to bali, indonesia, paid for by republican megadonor harlan crow. that vacation was at the center of controversy surrounding travel by thomas and his wife, ginni, the investigative news outlet propublica report what did last year that thomas and his wife accepted luxury trips and gifts from crow for decades, most of which went unreported on thomas s financial disclosures. thomas is reporting of that bali trip was among several new financial disclosures by the justices published friday among them for tickets to a beyond say, concert last year, that the pop star gave to liberal justice, ketanji brown, jackson. the gift was not illegal or unethical under the court s rules, justices are required to report gifts over a certain amount, about $400. they have to report them. and in this case, these tickets were worth more than about $4,000. so that s why they were reported a supreme court s spokeswoman referencing an early hit song by bianna, say, since cnn, a statement saying, quote, justice jackson is crazy in love with bianna music, who isn t jackson also reported that she received artwork valued at more than $12,000 from artists lonnie holley and dr. kathy girls ross, the justices new disclosures of book deals are also raising some eyebrows. jackson, a liberal justice who s the first african american woman on the court, received a payment from a publisher last year for almost $900,000 conservative justice neil gorsuch reported book royalty income of $250,000. fellow conservative but if brett kavanaugh, who is writing a memoir, listed a payment for $340,000. justices are allowed to have some outside income, but most of their outside income is kept around $30,000. except you do not have to have a limit on book royalties and fees. so these justices who signed these multi-million dollar contracts are not subject to any cap and they can make as much as they can from these book deals. but critics say all of this as well as the recent reporting that conservative justice samuel alito and his wife flew flags at their homes that were also flown by january 6, rioters doesn t present the best optics for the court alito had previously drawn criticism for going on a luxury fishing trip on the private jet of a conservative hedge fund manager, a trip that was not initially disclosed. there is a crisis of confidence of the supreme court. it starts with their jurisprudence, but it clearly continues with their ethical issues these new disclosure reports are the first of their kind to be issued since last fall when the supreme court adopted a code of conduct for the first time in its history that was in response to the travel scandals but ethics watchdog groups and some democratic lawmakers are skeptical of the new code because it doesn t contain any enforcement mechanism. bryan todd, cnn, washington well voter is are casting their ballots in slovakia today for elections to see the next european parliament. well, this is video of people voting earlier in the capital bratislava, 27 european union countries, a holding elections over 84 day period. the czech republic in ireland voted friday, but most will go to the polls on sunday to make choices that will shape the blocks political direction for the next five years. will cnn s barbie nadeau has more on what s at stake in this round of elections this concludes this unique transnational democratic exercise. the world is a very different place since european parliamentary elections were held back at 20:19 a global pandemic two major wars, including one in europe and the subsequent rise in energy costs farmers frustrated by eu red tape and cheap imports dumping manure in brussels a worsening climate with activists attacking cultural gems from paris to venice and a cost of living crisis are all among the issues facing europe s 373 million eligible voters these elections are the second largest in the world after india. and considerably bigger than the upcoming american vote. leinz, nine amendments by the comments are responsible as a blog voters in favor between june 6 and ninth, voters in 27 european countries will choose the 720 lawmakers to shape an increasingly only splintered europe for the next five years. your van elections are important because in eu member countries nowadays, a lot of important strategic decisions are taken at the european level this is why the election of the european parliament, which is the only directly elected body of europe, is so important policy making in europe is more complex and the election of the european parliament is only part of that as a result, usually we record the lower turnout than in national elections. recreating a functioning parliament when europe is making a hard rightward shift, won t be easy the first difficult task of the parliament is choosing the president of the european commission with the current president center right german ursula von der leyen, leading most 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explore how to use their voices effectively from the outside it s kind of like an underground railroad. when i was having questions about when it seemed like i cannot work on this anymore but what do i do? stacy gilbert, who worked at the state department for more than 20 years so she turned to members of the group when she was considering resigning now she wants to help those who are fighting the system from within, if we can be a resource to help others find their voice find a way to try to affect some policy change that would be useful and gilbert and the others who have left the us government in protest, like alec smith resigned from usaid last month, are also in public events and statements to shed light on all they ve seen. know that i m no longer at usa and i can speak publicly and loudly about what is actually happening on the ground in gaza then i can try to get attention pointed towards me, but people who are suffering there now, gilbert s resignation came after her office at the state department, which focuses on global humanitarian crises, found that israel was impeding the delivery of humanitarian aid into gaza only for the final version of the report to say that israel was not to blame what are the implications of a report like this for the us government, global? fully to say it undermines our credibility is an understatement and for this report to say conditions in gaza dangerous, and these organizations don t have the capacity is just patently false. it is absolutely dangerous. and it is difficult to do the work but these organizations can do it. they are not being allowed to do it. the state department says it stands by its final report. we want to hear their opinions. we want to hear the expertise that they bring to bear, but ultimately it is the president, the secretary, other senior officials that make the decisions about what the policy of the united states out of beep. but gilbert says that many of her colleagues still working on the biden administration s policy and are seeing the death toll of innocent palestinians rise. harberger, same frustrations and continue urging policy changes from within. if i were the only one who thought this way, i would stay in the government. but you re confident they ll continue to have a loosely absolutely. and i will be a voice for them on the outside, but i really am i am determined to do all i can to help from the outside because it s it s very, very hard doing this on the inside now, these former officials say they expect resignations and dissent from within to continue. and one thing we ll be watching to see is if the pressure that president biden and his administration are putting on prime minister benjamin netanyahu to come to a ceasefire agreement, can do anything to quell this mounting descent, this mounting frustration, but from our conversations with these former officials, it would actually take the biden administration cutting off the flow of us weaponry to israel in order to do that, kylee atwood, cnn, the state department a horrifying state. that s how ukraine is describing the condition of some of its prisoners of war released by russia. a little over a week ago, ukrainian officials say some of them suffered severe weight loss during captivity and endured beatings or ukrainian government body in charge of pows, even made comparisons with nazi concentration camps meanwhile, president zelenskyy says time is running out for ukrainian children taken by russia to be brought home kyiv estimates that some 20,000 children suffered that fate the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for president vladimir putin over those deportations for more, we re joined by christina scooter and advocacy manager for where are our pupil? well, that s an ngo trying to uncover force deportations of ukrainians during the war. and she speaking to us from k christina, good to see you. we have seen some horrific images of these pows, these skeletal frames severely malnourished. what other pows saying about the way they would treat it by the russians? good morning, everyone. good morning. thank you for all paying so much attention to ukraine and this topic because this is extremely important, actually, what these people are telling civilian hostages that were back from russia and keep e-tivity. this is just hearable if you saw the pictures, you just can t the small piece of what s going on with those people in the activity. the main thing is that the russia has no more. they don t care about any international law or any international court issue. an even this warranty, you you are talking about now previously, doesn t mean anything to them because they have lot inside the russian federation, they don t have to follow any, any international court issue or any international law. so they have only their law inside the russian federation and actually, i ve been talking to those people or civilian hostages the web back from russian activity and these are really heartbreaking stories. for example, i m just be very brief with one women story that broke my heart she was the wife of actual military of ukrainian armed forces and her neighbors told it to russian soldiers, chose, she was captured like a civilian hostage. she was in a slavery in russian federation for eight months. she was raped multiple times, and she was doing the work from very early morning to late early evening. and the only reason she survived in came back from this slavery was one of those hostages also with hershey. he was like official governor with it local governor and he eight months he got the phone and was able to call one of his officials that he knew in russian federation i mean he came and took them all. so that was the only reason she survived. and this is like the small story. i can you know, right now, we don t know even how many hostages, civilian hostages are in russian federation, but we are talking 20,000 plot some of the like lawyers are telling me that they have 65,000 civilian hostages. they are building even new our presence in crimea because there is no place to get those. all this hostages. there is no place to keep them. so they need more presence of course. if i can just jump in, let s talk about the children what are they saying about bedtime and russia? okay. all those children that came back and this is for the moment is 386 children that we were able to return between almost 20,000 that we know the names off. and actually russian federation is selling that they took 744,000 of ukrainian kidnapped. but the star is almost the same when they work by russia, they were told the de of parents refused from them that they, their families don t need them, that now they are russian. they need to talk crusher russian language. they need to be, they will be happy in russia so. get telling them they will bring them all to russian federation. two and b they re going to be adopted by russian families and there they are happy life is waiting for them all. in there. and also they are like, i mean, i want all i would view tourists and everybody to understand. russia does not need ukrainian they need just knew soldiers in their future wars. so that s what they are doing. two ukrainian kids and also they are filling the demographic the russians have ever least to some children though, christina, why are they doing this? and do they see children as a bargaining chip? yes. and no because this is not an accident. this is what the planned from the very beginning. so there is a few reasons they are doing this because first of all, they want to they want to fulfill the demographic gap, the have inside the russian federation and the the second thing they, they just i don t know if you ever heard about military children camps, what they created this russian know-how. i mean, they put ukrainian kids to those military camps from six till 16-years-old and they train them to be a soldiers. so nowadays, the children that were in donbass in 2014 when all this started in ukraine right? now, the are fighting against ukraine being the part of russian federation army this is already a war crime, which is we are pointing on when we are talking to all our international partners and all our so we are trying to point this because this is why they at tricking crane and kids okay. christina, as gouda will have to live it there, but we thank you for the work that you re doing and for bringing this very important story to launch, stay with cnn. we ll be right back. sometimes the best thing you can do with intelligence share it with your adversary. if his secret is betrayed, its bullet to the back of the hand secrets a nuclear game sunday at ten on cnn detects this living with hiv. craig learned, you can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that s why he switched to nevado. divider was a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetected well, 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gathered moments ago, president biden and macron s surveyed the troops. and laid a wreath under the arc at the tomb of the unknown soldier. at both leaders are expected to attend a working lunch following the ceremony before giving statements to the press in just a few hours from now, then macron will welcome the president and first lady for a state dinner. the close ties between the us and france are on full display de as the president, president biden continues to push his message of saving democracy and freedom after his d-day anniversary speech on friday let s go to paris now, a cnn senior white house correspondent, kayla tausche president s biden macron are expected to hold in talks today of this working lunch. hit the high points. what will they be addressing in the meetings well, they re going to be a few a topics of discussion that will figure prominently. first how they can strengthen the nato alliance, how they can continue supporting ukraine, and how they can secure the indo-pacific with president macron not willing to be quite as hawkish towards china as president biden has been thus far, but there will be some cooperation it s a maritime cooperation that the two countries are set to announce. present macron is also expected to share his thoughts on how president biden is handling this situation in gaza where he has broken with the president s position of seeking a negotiated peace process to reach a two-state solution. macron has said that he his ready to recognize a palestinian state. and there has been frustration here in france over that civilian casualties and the humanitarian toll that s been exacted in gaza as israel has prosecuted its war against hamas the administration has said that president biden expects a frank and open discussion, one that s candid and expects it. there may be some areas of disagreement there, but despite those areas of disagreement, both on the handling of the situation in gaza, as well as a high-profile break between the two allies a few years ago, over a submarine partnership that france was excluded from administration. aides say that the allies have never been closer, that their relations kinship has not been weakened in any ways by those fractures. remember, state visits are reserved for only the closest of allies and the white house has taken note that france is the us is oldest ally, and certainly those leaders standing shoulder to shoulder on those issues projecting this image of strength and partnership to the world is one of the main goals of this state visit, this happening today. so that will be really the scope of this state visit. you mentioned the press statements that will be happening later this afternoon. there has been some frustration that when president macron visited the us for a state visit at the white house, there was a press conference that was conducted tween the two democracies with two questions from members of each country s press corps. that is not happening this week. there will be a press conference at the g7, but there will not be one. this at this visit, which has been a source of frustration for some here and the preska that we will not have have an opportunity to ask questions of the leaders here, all that to say there will be pumped, there will be circumstances. there will be pumped. there will be just a lot of majesty and magnanimous things that you will see today if that arrival ceremony is any indication patient of what remains in the day to come, viktor and emmer? yeah. it continues to be one spectacular welcoming ceremony. kayla tausche. good to have you. thank you very much. let s talk with the cnn military analysts or tenants general mark hertling and see in an international diplomatic editor, nic robertson. and max boot, who was a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and columnist for the washington post. max is the author of the new book reagan, his life and legend welcome to you all. max, let s start with you. and as a both leaders head eventually to this working lunch, talk to me about how you would characterize biden add macron s relationship? basically, there are political calculations at play as well. and then the bakr i should say, front of macron s mind he has to be thinking about the potential return of trump to the white house. i would say that presidents biden in macron have a very good relationship and as you say, i think a qur an is very happy to have joe biden in the white house rather than having to deal with placating donald trump, but i think the the anecdote that joe biden often tells us how that when he first came back into office and met with macron and he said, you know, america is back in macron and others said, but for how long and i think that s the shadow of trump hangs over all this. and of course, but even though biden and trump in macron do have a good the relationship they do have a lot of things that its costs including macron proposal to send french trainers into ukraine or is suggesting that they could be sent into ukraine, which is something that biden has expressed doubts about are or suggest that it s not a good idea. so i think there are things for them to hash over, but mainly i think this is just a wonderful moment of transatlantic unity to highlight how close the alliance is under biden angel greatly endangered or would be if trump were to come back into office? general hurtling as kayla mentioned, gaza and israel s war with hamas will certainly be something discuss today. there was the idf operation that. happened at a refugee camp that freed for israeli hostages some of the concerns here around the icc seeking an arrest warrant for netanyahu, while paris backs that washington called it outrageous the backing and supplying of weapons how significant are these differences on gaza, on support for israel between these two? well i ll try them with what max you said victor and that is they are certainly there are certainly a close relationship between president biden and president in a car but they do have some differences president macron has been very vocal in making pronouncements about different things. he is supported different things. then president biden has so well, their relationship is very close and they see democracy and the emotions of what is occurred over this last week as being similar, they do have some differences of opinion and i heard you earlier talking about the lunches and dinners. it will occur today, certainly, presidents and dignitaries du. a lot of eating and drinking further country but this is a time for them to hash out some of those disagreements, some of those differences of opinions, i think president biden has got to stay very succinctly what he believes should be happening in gaza and in ukraine, and how the nato-led clients should move forward. so that s what these dinners and lunches are all about outside the view of the kind of pomp and circumstances we saw this morning at the art to draw jennifer, i just want to follow up on that regarding these differences in and specifically on ukraine, we heard on friday, president biden apologize to velocity more zelenskyy about the delayed aid president biden obviously blamed for that but after mr. zelenskyy thanked the president for that decision to allow us arms to be used in a limited way to counter attacks inside russia. he added quote, there are some detail hells on the battlefield that you need to hear from us. i heard a bit of frustration there and zelensky s tone then, what do you think he s referring to? obviously he s referring to these restraints? well, what the presence, the once-key was likely talking about was the ukrainian targeting processes. amara president biden has specifically said that these long-range weapons should be used for an operational and tactical role. what does that mean? an operational or tactical deep strike using things like atacms and artillery pieces and potentially even jet fighters has to do with what can affect the front lines, what kinds of things are ready by russia to literally attack into the ukrainian defensive positions now, there s a difference of opinion in terms of military leaders saying what you have to do is not only du, deep strikes against those tactical targets, but what russia continues to do is push their forces further and further back from the front lines so that they are not under ukrainian attack capabilities. so that s what i think president zelenskyy is going hi to talk about how far inland can we hit? can we hit air bases that are launching some of the glide bombs? can we launch or can we attack missile launch sites so that some of our cities don t continue to come on your cat. the problem with all that is many of those russian launch sites and air bases are deep within russian territory and cause concerns from russia about attacks within their federation that could interfere with say, their nuclear defense strip, that they have put that forward saying, hey, our radars for nuclear and strategic defenses have been interfered with by ukraine. so we re saying that that is truly an attack on mother russia and this is what president biden wants to avoid primarily for the purpose of this war, not expanding into a greater european war with other nations involved you re watching the precession parade possession here along the song sally s a president s biden and macron are writing there together as indicated by the flags on the front of that vehicle we have max boot and lieutenant general hurtling with us mess. let me come to you and general hurtling says that this is the time to hash those things out. some of those differences. do you expect that there will be decisions that there will be resolutions to any of these differences today. or will they just be further discussions i m suspecting there will be further discussions, but i mean, i think these as mark hertling said, i mean, i think these kinds of discussions are very important because normally these discussions are conducted at the staff level or with foreign ministers. it s either good is very important to have the heads of state directly involved. and this is going to these kinds of occasions or the time when the heads of state have the most amount of time to spend with one another as mark hertling mentioned, there s gonna be a lot of lunches, a lot of dinners, a lot of ceremonial occasions. but while all that is going on, they can also have very substantive talks. and of course some of the stuff they re going to talk about is going to be the kind of stuff anybody talks about at lunch or dinner. it s going to be there s gonna be some polite chit chat, but i think they were also get to some of the nitty-gritty and try to hash these things out. but i think i think the big thing that a macron and other europeans are going to be looking for is something that biden really can t offer which is reassuring they want reassurance that the united states will stay committed in europe, that we will remain committed to the defense of europe. we will remain staunch and standing up for ukraine and opposing russian aggression. and of course, the best that biden can say is that s what i want to do, but i don t we have free and fair elections that america and if if i joe biden lose in november everybody knows that they could have we could have a very different policy come january 20 of next year. and so i think there is just there s gonna be a lot of hand-holding as well as a lot of hand-wringing about the outcome with the political process in the united states. and because president biden will not be able to give that reassurance that he will remain in office for another term. dig robertson to you standing by you to do expect president macron to be even more vocal, i guess more aggressive as the election, american election approaches as he has been pushing for the continent s self-reliance to take its own security collective defense more seriously absolutely. i think this is exactly the direction that europe is headed in now, because it recognizes that if not now, in the future, it may face those decisions are not every country has ready for it far from it. in fact, you have some real outliers in the european union right now, like viktor orban, the prime minister in hungry or robert fit. so the prime minister in slovakia who are both pro-putin, who are both against europe supporting or the european union financially militarily supporting ukraine this is sort of the headwinds in europe, at least that president macron faces course what he has been talking about in france has talked about for some time is a more united defense policy in europe where you become in the same way it s more similar to united states in terms of manufacturing armaments you only have a few fighter jets. you have the f 60 and you have the 15, you have the f35 in europe, there are many, many different arms manufacturers and they produce for their nations are a handful of nations within the european in union, a commonality of armament making, which is really the pressure that faces nato, right now. in terms of getting armaments in big enough quantities quickly to ukraine, that you can do this better by rationalizing a pan, europe p and defense industry. and of course, each country wants to have a big slice of that. but this is the direction that macron has encouraged european leaders to look at in the past. and one that would potentially where at the european union, which doesn t have a common defense minister, let said as ahead of foreign policy, your sip borrell at the moment, but it doesn t have a head of defense in the same way that that is something that nato does. but if united states didn t support nato in the way that it does today, then that would fall to the european union. so macron really has been a sort of a liter and a pusher for that within the within europe. and it s even his strongest partner, perhaps in the european union in this regard, would be germany, that their position is not the same as macrons. so it is an up hill struggle but it is something that absolutely they face and we heard this when president trump first came into office, if you go back those years, there was an emergency summit, european union leaders in mulcher, i believe it was and it was back then francois, along the french president and the german, the german chancellor, that then mac merkle, angular merkel, who were both saying, we need to sort ourselves out and be ready to be able to deal with an isolation is united states. so the conversations are well underway. all right. will lead the conversation. there are thanks to mark hertling max boot and nic robertson make sure to stay with us. we ll have more after this break simons are going off and playing the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die and i thought that was it filing earth with liev schreiber tomorrow at nine on cnn homa glowed, just cleaned my entire 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on october 7. now, among the freed hostages is noah, are khamanei in one of the first hamas videos released of the massacre, she was seen being abducted on a motorcycle. we re joined now by cnn international correspondent paula hancocks and cnn international corresponded ben wiedemann, polo, first to you, what do you know about the operation? well, victor, what we re hearing is from the idf, the israeli military also, the security agency saying it was a joint operation that happened in central gaza in the area of nuseirat. it was a significant operation which at this point we understand has left at least 45 killed on the ground. and hundreds injured according to our cnn producer, on the ground. but what it has also meant is that for israeli hostages have been rescued and they have been brought back to israel. now, according to the statement they say that they are in good medical condition. they have been taken to a medical centre near tel aviv to receive a treatments at this point, we have already seen video of one of the hostages you were just mentioned they re no money receiving a phone call from the israeli president, hertz. but there are four that have been released, so no or argon money, who as we remember, we did see her on the back of a motorbike being taken at the nova musical festival on october 7, that also under aid caused law for 27-year-old is a russian israeli citizen who was working security at that musical festival also, shlomi cif 40-year-old, he was also working security and i ll mog mia jan 820, one-year-old. so for hostages, have been released at this point, we understand from the idf that they are all in medical condition. this was saturday morning that this was happening and it was described by the idf for the police and the isa is a common plex special daytime operation in nuseirat. it is the third successful operation that s the israeli military has carried out since october 7 to try and retrieve some of those, those hostages that were taken on october 7 by hamas, by other militant groups we understand there s one in october 1 in february, 3, released jointly during those operations there, but that s the latest that we have at this point from the israeli military, side, right? four, i was really hostages, rescued in that operation. paula, thank you. let s go to been we d have been now and ben, we were so get just a few minutes ago about this being the de that benny gantz, a key member of the prime minister s war cabinet, was expected to announce whether he would go through with his vow to leave the israeli government. that announcement has now been postponed is it directly connected to this operation that free these hostages we think so. i mean, a clearly does not want to steal the limelight with this one bit of good news for the israelis. his problems, his issues with prime minister netanyahu have not been resolved oh, they have fundamental differences. they were political rivals in the past. so that doesn t change. but i think for now, he s it s not canceling, probably not canceling his announcement, but he s certainly is going to postpone it while is rarely a digest. this news, i mean, keep been mining, is polo was mentioning back in what was it? october and february between those 23 hostages were released. today for them? that brings to seven 77 hostages released after eight months of intense warfare in the gaza strip keeping in mind, of course that what was much more successful at getting hostages released was that ceasefire in late november of last year where if i recall correctly, at least 40 hostages were released. so certainly what we ve seen since that very brief eight days cease fire that the military we operations have continued and have today had some success, but until now it hasn t really resulted in much other than, as i said, just seven hostages released. in the meantime, we ve had more than 36,000 palestinians have been killed we picked her. amara was showing you a video here of the two of the hostages that are coming off that helicopter and going on onto i believe that s a medical transport vehicle. one hand over his mouth, the other throwing his arms up in the air. we also saw a video so of celebration in the streets at the news of the rescue of four hostages from this refugee camp. as we get more pictures in this moment that so many families, those who are related to these hostages and those who are not have hoped for rallied for protested four to get these people who were now eight months, eight months since the october 7 attack good day almost to the de, have been held as hostages in gaza. what a moment to watch as these freed hostages walked off military helicopter are just incredible moments there we re going to leave it there. paula hancocks and ben wade. a man. thank you so much. we re going to take a quick break back after this the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president, one state to 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the nest neutral refugee camp, which is in northwestern, more the center part of god, while the operations in rafah continue you, this, this makes it very clear that operations across the gap gaza strip in these specifically the underground, subterranean facilities the tunnels that hamas has built underneath different infrastructure as what s been critical. so yeah, the intelligence is what drove this. i m sure this wasn t just stumbling upon four different hostages in two different locations. this has to be an intelligence driven operation, which he israeli military has been trying to do since the start of this campaign and max sent to you and what what does this mean for the hostage and ceasefire negotiations that are on going? also, knowing that benny gantz, a cabinet minister we ll now he postponed his announcement of resignation apparently due to the release of the rescue of these hostages does this increased pressure on netanyahu to bring more of the hostages home well, obviously it s very good news to get these hostages out. i mean, i think netanyahu has actually been fairly receptive to the latest ceasefire plan, which is being pushed by the biden administration in a coalition of other nations. i think the holdup right now is hamas. they re not agreeing to that plan because basically the hamas leadership thinks that seems to think that it doesn t matter how many palestinians are killed or how much that people of gaza suffer because there s longer as the hamas leadership in some of the fighters are secured here are these underground tunnels they can still hold out and essentially come out after the israeli military retreats. and i think they i wouldn t be unfortunately, i wouldn t be not optimistic about an immediate ceasefire coming because these negotiations have been going on for many months you d have not gone anywhere and i think for israel, they still face some very difficult issues. namely what happens in the months ahead they don t want to occupy the gaza strip, but then the question is who is going to bring security to that area what is the day after look like? and that s something where netanyahu has still refused to provide any kind of vision because it would be two political difficult, politically difficult for him because his coalition partners don t want any role for the palestinian authority and at the same time, there s very little support for actually having the idf occupy the gaza strip and so this doesn t really solve israel s intractable problems. unfortunately, i m sorry to say it doesn t mean that the offensive was going to wind down anytime soon general didn t answer the questions. it doesn t resolve any of those issues, but i wonder as we look at this video of hostages who are free and the celebration in the streets politically how much time does this by netanyahu relief from pressure both domestically with the pending against resignation and the pressure from the us and other allies around the world well, i don t think it s going to gain a whole lot of time internationally. victor, it certainly will gain some time domestically from mr. netanyahu because he has a lot of supporters in the israeli government. i d like to point out though one thing that our great report are, then we amend mentioned he said the last big tranche of hostages occurred after the cetacean abbas still cities several months ago, and there hasn t been that kind of released since then. yeah, i d like to point out though that israel has made the opera to hamas on multiple occasions to have ceasefire in exchange for hostage yes. and hamas continues to play with them on this. they will bring them right up to the doorstep of a ceasefire with the potential for release of hostages from both the palestinian camps and israel, but also the ones that they took on october the seventh. and then at the very end, just when there s hope, hamas dashes those hope i think that s what max was describing so it means it s going to mean a continuation of the operation. and there is certainly a disconnect between the biden administration and the netanyahu government in terms of what they should do, in terms of a ceasefire. and the three-phase plan that president biden pointed out that he was offering allegedly with mr. netanyahu is approval a few days ago. but i think as long as the hostages are still in captivity and hamas shows no interest in releasing them. remember these four that were kept, were recovered this morning alive. we re not given up by hamas. they were driven by intelligence operations by the israeli military. so i think you re going to see a continuation of that kind of intelligence. and plus, i d add that these hostages will also be able to add to that intelligence in terms of their type of treatment where they d been moved from the number of moves they ve made what locations are they putting their fellow hostages in? they may be able to add a lot of information and intelligence for the israeli military to go after some morehouse. it really is remarkable that they were able to rescue these hostages eight months after the war started on tovar seven max. if and when benny gantz announces his withdrawal from the emergency war cabinet he is a centrist. what kind of impact do you see that happening on netanyahu s government? do you expect? to see more of a hard line approach that s very hard to say. i m not sure that that much is going to change. i mean, benny gantz can lead, but it s not going to bring down the government the issue that could actually bring down the government is question of conscripting ultra ultra-orthodox men into the israeli military because some of the ultra religious parties in the the cabinet are completely opposed to that. and if the israeli supreme court gives the go ahead to conscript the ultra-orthodox, that could actually be a crisis that could bring down the government. i don t think that the benny gantz departure will bring down the cabinet. i mean, i think my it s a little bit hard to know exactly what goes on behind the doors of the war cabinet. my sense is that benny gantz is certainly more open than netanyahu has to the idea of having the palestinian authority play a role in governing gaza after the war. but i think honor has also been pretty much of a hardliner on rooting out hamas fighters, even at the cost of substantial numbers of palestinian civilians, deaths i m not sure he s diametrically opposed to netanyahu on, on a lot of issues. i mean, i think he certainly has a perception as being more of a moderate but he he s not, he s certainly not a dove i believe the conversation there max boot and general mark hertling. thank you very much. liberate back hey, mom, how many should i decorate each have ran have blue. that s a really tough call. who are you if you look at the latest data? you re probably going to need a lot of those purple sprinkles. how this guy really knows his stuff i was just doing shift wednesday my always crying 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nic robertson is back with as you ve been covering, spent a lot of time covering these attacks on the war between israel and hamas. and just hearing those details about this, you know, the hostages were rescued from two separate locations in daylight while they were under fire. what do you make of all this? this is such a success story for the idf and for the families right now, this is the moment they ve been waiting for i was at the hospital just outside tel aviv earlier on this year. i think it was january, perhaps february when 23 hostages were were freed. that was a nighttime raid it meant laying down a lot of fire, a lot of palestinians in the neighborhood were killed just to get these hostages freed. but for those families and you could feel the euphoria at the hospital back then. so outside tel aviv. so i can only imagine and we re witnessing house some, and, some of their celebrations. but i can only imagine how it must feel for the doctors there who are real professionals in helping these hostages come out of this horrible environment that they ve been in. i mean, i m looking you look at no ag money now she was handed a telephone. the president of israel was congratulating or on the phone. but just look how pale shares go back and look at the video of when she was captured she was tanned she was clearly terrified in that video. so it s quite amazing to see her now having enjoyed more than 250 days of captivity surviving it. but you can just see the way, the way that she looks now, these hostages, it appears have just been kept either underground or completely out of sunlight for so long now, it s a big process as we know, we re talking to doctors back then earlier on in the year about the process of recovery for the hostages and it s going to take a lot of time. there s your emotion. noah got to meet with her father again. there were kisses. these these are huge moments, but it s an an intense trauma that they ve been through and it s going to take a long, long time if ever to begin to unwind that. but but the medical staff at the hospital that absolutely professionals in that know their job. but this is a moment of pure celebration. i think obviously for these families, but more broadly, and israel and a desperate sense for those other hostage families now, who, who, who desperately hope it s their loved ones next, you live pictures here of the celebrations as those for israeli hostages, as we said, located from rescued from two separate locations. all four taking from the nova music festival on october 7, they are now a free medical checks under happening right now. we ll continue to get you more on this breaking news. nic robertson. thank you for that. quick rate we ll be back hi sometimes the best thing you can do with intelligence is shared with your adversary he and his secret where it is betrayed itself, bullet to the back of the hand secrets and spies a nuclear game on cnn old spice gentleman who by hydration, body wash. now that 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administration expected president macron to be very frank and very candid with his assessment of how the white house has been handling that situation. so certainly for the us, this is seen as a welcome development. it s something they have been pushing for for some time and certainly that is welcome news that president biden can bring to the table as part of that discussion. other topics that the two liters are expected to discuss are the strengthening of the nato alliance going forward and going into this summit celebrating the 75th anniversary of the alliance next month that need to continue supporting ukraine for the long-term. and what sorts of resources and assets can be deployed to ukraine at this stage of the war after president biden has just received a detailed assessment from president zelenskyy yesterday, and then there s going to be discussion around securing the indo-pacific with a new maritime cooperation deal expected to be announced between the two relations with china, in particular, had been one area where macron has been willing to be more open, more friendly toward china than the us has. certainly that is an area where the two could be in some disagreement, although there is this partnership that they will announce, we do expect those joint statements a little bit later on this afternoon when asked why there would not be a press conference between two democracies, the white house said that that was a discussion that was agreed between the two tides guys. all right. kayla tausche in paris where the us president in french president are about to head into a working lunch. thank you so much, kayla. and thank you so much for joining us this morning. first of all, starts after a break the increase in wildfires is exponential, unpredictable, uncontrollable rolling consequences. the need to do something is urgent slightly, earth would we have schreiber, tomorrow at nine on cnn not flossing well, then add the wo of listerine to your routine. new science 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and she s like, i don t know what to do. i ve never been in a tornado. so, she was kind of freaked out? she was very freaked out. then the ferocious rain and heavy wind, the thick funnel clouds dipped around the city. the next morning, a friday. it was all over. friends checked on friends. but no one could reach diane. the freaked out one. diane holik work from home, for ibm. that morning, so unlike her. she missed the conference call. hi diane, it is to:00. i am just checking to make sure you are safe. all day, phone calls from ibm and friends went to voicemail. diane, hey, this is sharon, i was going to see if you are going to show up tonight or not. she didn t. i got to the club and i was waiting, and she didn t come, she didn t come, and i spent all of my time wondering when she was going to show up. had she been caught in the storm? had her house been hit? a coworker called the police. they cruised over to diane s neighborhood and found her big house unscathed. they. through windows, the security key. they went upstairs. there, all but hidden behind a guest room bed, they found diane. someone had killed her. i actually had a scream of some sort, just like, you can t it is not true. that is not what happened, that is not diane. but of course it was. diane holik, 43 years old, suddenly the unlikely center of a strange and disturbing mystery, and a most unlikely victim, murdered. absolutely lived life with gusto. she was a vivacious, beautiful woman. reporter: lynn had a known diane since the 90s when they started working together at ibm. she let her friends, she let her family. we would vacation together. we would have so much fun and just laugh and laugh and laugh. well, a lot of things we like to do altogether was we hit the clubs a lot. lots of dancing. lots of dancing. diane met anita and cheyenne cooper at the ladies room of an austin bar. she was in there, she said oh, you have cowboy boots, you must know where country barn is. we said yeah, i do. our best friend is coming and we are going to go when she gets here. and she said cool, i m going to go with y all. first time i had ever met her, never seen her before. she was in town for 3 weeks. diane said well, not just for the club, so she gets into the truck where her clothes are and starts pulling at something western and starts putting it on right there in the parking lot. she was crazy. she was throwing things on that she was stripped right there in the parking lot. right there in the parking lot. we danced all night long, she was having a blast, so happy that she had met the two of us, because she said, now i have me some dancing buddies. so magnetic. which, said her colleague, helped make her a fine recruiter for ibm. i would center off to colleges, and these kids, they would just gravitate to her. she had a personality that just stood out. and her attitude? endlessly adventurous. one time i remember sending her off to do a recruiting trip, and she got out there and they were doing a balloon fest, and she called me up and said, i need half a day off. and i said why? she said, i m jumping in a balloon and going. she would always test the edges with you? always, yes. she would throw all kinds of parties at her house and invite everyone she knows. so, they may not know each other, but everybody knew her? yes. yes. and she was great, she just loved having all of these wonderful people around her. in any room, any crowd, diane was the lure, especially to men. it was never a problem going out with her, because she was like a magnet for all of us. yeah. there was always been around when diane was there. always. so there were. now she was dead. and the one thing that seemed obvious, there is that second floor bedroom, what happened to diane for the mark of a man. coming up, a killer is calm and cool as he is coldhearted. you commit the act of murder, and then you leave, you don t want to get caught, the that person didn t do it. that, in itself was odd. someone close to diane? 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(energizing music) i got a page from the supervisor in homicide saying that a woman had been found deceased in her home in northwest austin. narrator: detectives tracey gerrish and eric de los santos i got a page from the supervisor and homicide, saying that the woman had been deceased in her home in northwest boston. detectives tracy garrett i long since learned that if didn t tell them much. but when diane was murdered? we had the body, and that was all in the beginning. they looked for evidence of forced entry, there was none. the doors were locked and windows were attacked. either the killer knew her, or she let the person in. in any event it certainly didn t look like a robbery turned deadly. she still had her watch on, she still had a tennis bracelet on, and she had a charm that was in her hair that had obviously been on that was not around her neck. she also had some money that was sticking out of her pocket. so, maybe diane s body would tell them the story. the killer had hidden her under a bedspread. it appeared that she had been strangled, a ligature mark around her neck. it could have been a rope, it could have been one of those flecks fans that you used to exercise. clearly not somebody s had? clearly. what about her eyes and her face? was there any sign there? she definitely had in the eyes sign strangulation. she appeared to have a bruise on her cheek. it was like a rubbing type of a bruise on her cheek and she had four of them on her stomach. rubbing type of ruse? as if you are being dragged across the carpet and it was a rug burn. they discovered sponges of lipstick and mascara on the carpet. we also found a spot of urine, where her body would have been, had she been strangled. so, we knew something that happened there at that particular spot. she must have been killed there. and behind the bed where they found her body, was there any indication that she had been sexually assaulted in any way? no. her clothes weren t messed up. there was nothing indicating that she had been fighting, she had no scratch marks on her neck. why didn t she try to defend herself? so, as we continue to look at the body we notice some red marks on her wrist. that was interesting, because you don t usually see that. there was no ties, there was no rope, there is no tape around her in the room. just red marks. just red marks. little red marks that look, somehow familiar. it looks like two parallel lines, and then perpendicular to those lines were little lines , probably a 16th of an inch apart. i ve seen these marks before, sometimes on the flex ties that we use. ties. zip tied binder. but then he would have cut them off afterwards. he obviously cut them off afterwards, and we knew that immediately. detective santos s mind went to the darkest of places. diane must have been restrained with those zip ties, helpless, terrified as she watched her killer preparing the ligature and put it around her neck. what kind of horror did you go through? what was going through your head? after she was dead, the killer must have stayed for a while, carefully erasing any sign of his or her presence. so, that in and of itself was odd, that doesn t happen. you commit the act of murder and then you leave, you are scared, you want to get out of there, you don t want to get caught. this person that we didn t know, if they were male or female, didn t do that. with this person? so deliberate, so cold-blooded. this was no straightforward case, nothing simple about it. i probably didn t sleep for 72 hours. as they chased down their endless questions. so, what does that leave you with? was it a targeted killing? the one who is angry with her? those were all possibilities. most of the time you are going to be killed by someone you know. sometimes it is someone you know very well. and of course, we are all familiar with domestic violence, so, you know, we want to see who is in the immediate inner circle of her life? diane s friends, they learned, she had been married years before, but had spent most of her adult life as a single woman and happily so. until she changed her mind. she left her single life, and she loved her independence, but an interesting thing happened when she had 40. she decided, i need a partner, i need somebody like my friends have. i wanted marriage, i want the things they have. so, diane set out to find a mate. with the help of the dating service, it s just lunch. and pretty soon she met a divorced father of two, named dennis connolly. i think they truly, immediately had a chemistry. i think they were in love. he was a successful businessman, he was handsome, he took her everywhere, and that is what she was looking for. just two months later, dennis presented diane with the bubble of a lifetime, a $20,000 engagement ring. he loved her, he put her on a pedestal and treated her like a queen. she likes his daughter, she cared very much for his daughters. and that was a strong point. they make plans, as lovers do. dennis had moved from austin to houston. the idea was diane could sell her big house and move down there too. it was a downmarket then, but as diane told her friends, there was one potential buyer. now diane was dead. and there were all of those questions. not a robbery, and yet, as the detectives soon discovered, something was missing that $20,000 engagement ring nowhere to be found. so, police wondered, where was fiance, dennis, during the violent storm? and did he know something? coming up. the storm outside and in. they argued a lot. we had our ups and downs, no question. you know, it wasn t like physical? never. when dateline continues. lin it s okay to show off. with dupixent, show off your clearer skin and less itch. because you have plenty of reasons to show off your skin. with dupixent, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, you can stay ahead of your eczema. it helps block a key source of inflammation inside the body that can cause eczema to help heal your skin from within. many adults saw 90% clearer skin, some even achieved long-lasting clearer skin and fast itch relief after first dose. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don t change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. show off to the world. ask your eczema specialist about dupixent. ask your eczema specialist it was true, all her friends knew it, diane holik was in love with the man it was true. all of her friends knew it. diane holik was in love with the man she met , smitten like a teenage girl, but the road of love, as we all know isn t always smooth. they were engaged so quickly. too quickly? before long they encountered some serious issued set her friends, anita and jared. they argued a lot. about, one example? her dogs, were like children to diane. but she told her friends, dennis didn t want any dogs in their new house in houston. they fought, set her friends, about what he seems to want her to be. she was always talking about, hey, didn t want her to do this or didn t want her to do that and that will cause arguments. she would not go along with it? no. she was independent? what was he? controlling. oh. very controlling. that can be a difficult combination to so, it was confusing, she probably wore this spectacular ring, but the engagement was off and then, maybe on again. and yet, that very week, set her friends, diane told them she still didn t know what to do. so, she had gone back and forth and back and forth? emotionally she was a roller coaster, because she just couldn t see how it was going to work and none of us could see how it would work either. especially when she told sharon she had made a date with another man. we kept telling her, if you are still wanting to do these things, you are not ready for that. but she had her house for sale? yes, she was going to downsize. if she didn t get married, she was going to downsize anyway, because this house was just way too good. waffling under plans for dennis? a date with another man? she said she had seen dennis angry, so, after diane was murdered, she wondered maybe he had just lost control of his life and killed her. that was my first thought. detective gerst ash dennis to come to the station to speak without the aid of a lawyer. the detectives focused on the timeline. they believed diane had been killed that stormy thursday afternoon or evening. her body was discovered about 5:30 p.m., friday. we were definitely interested in where he had been for the last three days. he knew he was going to verify his alibi to us. at the station, dennis seemed upset, but composed. as he told investigators, he was in his office in houston the night of the big storm, but exchange online messages with diane, back in austin that afternoon. it was just, you know, like, hey, i m working late, i m getting ready to go home, and she just send me, you know, i love you. that was it. and you were at the office? okay. dennis said he got home from work late thursday evening and was back on friday. we looked at the conference, could he have driven down to austin for diane and theoretically driven back in time for work? and yes, he probably could have. they checked diane s answering machine and found messages from him, this one was left on friday, the day after the big storm. she was dead by then. hey, you, if i don t hear from you in about an hour, and calling the freaking police. and have to go by your house okay? another message, saturday morning. diane, what is going on? give me a call. you have me worried to death. by. which could have been some sort of cover-up, of course. dennis admitted, their relationship was iffy. we ran into rough spots. we were going to build a house in houston and i decided that, you know, given the fact that we weren t getting along to gather, very well i mean, there was no fight, we all fight, it s just everybody carries baggage of your relationships at this age, and and our baggage was clashing, and we were working on it, but we decided not to be engaged anymore. okay. and stop holding a house. but he said they were going to therapy, which was hoping. i mean, we were really, really making breakthroughs, you know? about diane s dogs, for example. she saw that i was accepting the fact that, you know, her dogs were going to be in the house. and not long before diane was killed i remember her saying you know, that she would she loved me and that she would jump at the chance to be in a relationship and marry me, and, you know, no matter how long it took. yeah. we had our ups and downs, no question, but it wasn t like no physical fights? no. never, never, never even angry or loud words. it was just it s stupid, you know? she thought i should be more of a like, handyman kind of guy, like her dad, right? and and i thought she should be more appreciative. what she faithful to you? i would i would be shocked if she wasn t. i would be stunned. everyone has his or her version of the truth, of course. dennis story, not at all what diane s friends said they had been hearing from her. i wanted so many times to just say, dude, you are just so stupid, because she did want to marry you. detective geyer garrett took fingerprints, collected dennis s dna and check his alibi, and dennis? before he left, dennis brought up another name. has anybody gotten a hold of ray? no, we are trying to figure out who ray is. ray was a colleague of diane s at ibm. he seemed to worship the ground she walks on. he seems to be attracted to women that are not attracted to him. honestly, if i was if i was a woman, i would he would be giving me the creeps. and according to dennis, he and diane were not on good terms. now, they had a falling out about a month or so ago. don t know the exact nature of it. so, time for a talk with ray. coming up. a coworker, with a crush, but did he want something more? i was always very spoiled to her, and very affectionate to her. when dateline continues. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ingrezza ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington s disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don t take ingrezza if you re allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ingrezza everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. i ll be honest. by the end of the day, my floors.yeesh. but who has the time to clean? that s why i love my swiffer wetjet. it s a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that! swiffer wetjet. i am just collate in with the hour s top stories. the united nations is answering adding israel and hamas to its military forces harming children amid military conflict. the news comes as israel faces new criticism for an airstrike in central gaza that killed dozens of people at a u.n. displacing palestinians. and president biden spoke of the need to protect democracy while fighting dictators and hateful ideology, as he honor the sacrifices of soldiers 80 years ago on the beaches of normandy. now, back to dateline. suspicion. there was lots of it to go around after diane holik was choked to death in her own guest bedroom. at least one of diane s friends directed her suspicion at dennis. the man who said he was her fiance, but was he anymore. dennis swore it wasn t him, but maybe he was suspicious too. what about this guy? he asked? what about ray. there was a man that she worked with, by the name of rafael chauncey, and she had actually hired him at ibm, so she was kind of his boss. maybe more than his boss? here s what diane s friends told the police about ray. he was johnny on the spot every time she needed something. he always called ray and ray was there. honestly in my heart i believe that he truly loved her and would have varied her. if she would have him? yeah. if she would have him. it seemed off to dennis. s relationship with diane he told the police, it was a little too cozy, obsessive maybe? he always felt like maybe ray kind of took a liking to her was very infatuated with her, and he would always offer to take care of her dogs when she was out of town. always wanted to be kind of close to her. so, he thought maybe that he had too much of an interest in diane. what s more, ray had his own personal key to diane the house and remember, there was no forced entry. the killer was either invited and or had a key. so, detective gerrish asked ray to come into the station and answer a few questions, except it was ray who seems to be full of questions. working on it. unfortunately i don t know anything about diane holick when until i went to her house last night. he seemed excited to share what he knew. how long have you known diane? two years. he was an odd character, eager to help us, almost too i eager, to the point where throw us off a little bit. my group, my payment to her was not to always take care of her dogs. in two years she didn t have a dog sitter, i even change my schedule so i could walk her dogs. he told you a lot didn t he? man, i can t believe it. i always had a crush on diane, since i was younger. to diane reciprocate your feelings? no. did that ever cause problems to you? no. in the beginning argument that stuff? no, in the beginning we have some i was always very spoil- ey to her, very affectionate, she didn t like it. they played good cup, that cop. another detective came in, frustrated. no sexual relationships? you want to? i always wanted to, but never did. know, it was a little bit more formal than that i guess. you never had a sexual relationship? no. never. so, your dna shouldn t be found on her? you are not giving it to us? if you wanted. ray agreed, he did have a key to her house, but he also had an alibi, he was at work the day diane was murdered. i had the badge. there s cameras all over the place too at work. you can ask for the records. that day, ray said he stayed late at work and then drove home through the terrible traffic created by the storm. and after that, stayed home. stayed home and didn t go anywhere. back to work this morning at 8:00, 8:00. of course they needed to verify all of that. but when they asked ray about dennis, the fiance? that is a loaded question. it is and. i mean, i want the truth. there were some problems or whatever? they were going to get married this november. clearly diane had complicated relationships with dennis and ray. so, just as they had done with dennis, police fingerprinted ray and took a dna swab and went on looking. sharon told the detectives done had a date with the man and they couldn t figure out who that man was, but they tracked down every man she had met from the dating service. i interviewed every single day she had through that service. too many options. police wondered, has diane been strangled by a man she had met through the dating service? or a man she knew well? even left? and yes, something seems to be missing, but what? this wasn t going to be easy. coming up, a funeral and a wedding, and what some say was a former fiance s extremely strange behavior. oh god, we did a morbid thing. i mean beyond belief. and finally a clue. was this one of his stakes? when dateline continues. first and only nasal spray for dry eye. tyrvaya treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease fast by helping your body produce its own real tears. common side effects include sneezing, cough, and throat and nose irritation. relying only on drops? not me. my own real tears are my relief. ask your eye doctor about tyrvaya. that is an affluent neighborhood. it s not normally where you find murder victims. narrator: darla davis was worried. that is an affluent neighborhood, it is not normally where you would find murder victims. tyler davis was worried. diane s ball body was there barely cold. prosecutors jump on the case and encountered a problem. the fact that she lived by herself. there were many wanted to change that single status and there was certainly reason to look at them carefully. but the prosecutor worried too. about another possibility. we might have a stranger on stranger offense, which is way harder to solve. so, essentially a dead body, not much evidence? right. no idea who did it. exactly, and i had an idea that we would have the crime scene. that meant she had investigators went back to diane s house to take a look. and went over it with the alternate light source. we have to do it in the dark. we just take it and put it in carpeting or on any kind of fabric or anything. and certain things will fluoresce. for example, if there is blood. the alternate light search source we are looking for. it didn t look like diane had been sexually assaulted. but they had to know for sure. and when they tested? there were no indications that there was any semen anywhere. and that room are different parts of the house. nothing. no semen, no blood, no evidence of sexual assault. and apart from her missing engagement, nothing in diane s house seemed out of place. except, in the middle of the otherwise brisk living room. there, on the loveseat is this tower just thrown open. weird. it was definitely out of place. maybe it was left behind by the killer? was this one of the mistakes? there were hairs later on. her hairs? no. there were seven hairs on that terrible. they sent the hairs to the dna lab. her friends plan the excruciating details for diane s memorial service here in austin. sharon found the funeral home and the lady to do the makeup and everything. we went in with them and help them pick out a casket and all. and her dress for an open casket. i need to make sure that whatever we got looks right and covered the appropriate parts of her. seeing where the wounds were, seeing where the ligature marks were, probably just as difficult as the day i found out that she passed. dennis came to the service, as expected, but he tended to not speak with anybody, which i found somewhat strange for a man, who was so in love with diane. front and center? no, he did not sit front and center, which somewhat surprised me. watched through a haze of grief and suspicion. when diane s parents moved her body from austin to their home in new york for the funeral, diane s friends as was dennis. and as diane lee in her open casket something very strange happened. oh god. he did a morbid thing that just infuriated her parents. i mean, beyond belief. dennis had brought a minister with him to the funeral. to actually say the marriage vows to him, as she was laying in the coffin. and then took her hand and put that gold band on. i thought mom was going to come unglued. diane s parents removed the ring, said a friend. but, the diane s family was appalled and her friends were deeply suspicious, back in austin, investigators were looking at all kinds of possibilities. dennis, ray, and other men diane had left remained on the list of statements, their alibis checked and rechecked. and the first time love. but that murder prosecutors talked about, was that really what happened? was the killer some random predator? is not a great feeling to know that you are going to have to expand out into the possibilities that this was somebody who was a stranger to her. because that makes it so much harder. that second, more intense search of the crime scene detectives found the first time, including this killer, where the lover has been careful and clearly prepared for what he, or she was going to do. this person, who is trying to avoid being captured. yes, so he cut the zip tie off of her and took the zip tie with him. and thus removed the evidence, but there was this one other thing, just a passing comment. they heard it from anita, on the phone with diane. she said that she had somebody that had come by earlier and had looked at the house, was very impressed with it. i said that is good. she says, yeah. i might finally sell this thing. good that visitor be connected to diane s murder somehow? or that discarded what towel? with those seven tiny strands of hair. coming up, a stranger knocking on doors. what happened next. i felt i had dodged a bullet. he wanted to get me in there and i didn t budge. i stood there with all of the bells going off. when dateline continues. ne this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. shingles could also lead to serious complications that can last for years. if you re over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside you. and as you age, your risk of developing shingles increases. don t wait. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles today. 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you always try to find the last person that saw sure. the victim alive. and we thought, well, this man could be the last person to see her alive. narrator: who was this phantom homebuyer? interviewer: did anybody get a name? we did get one name, walter miller and a number. narrator: walter miller? of course, they looked up the walter miller s around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description, though. and the phone number the man left course they looked up to walterg miller around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description though. and the phone number the man left? it ended up being a fax machine. it ended up belonging to the wife of a guy, by the name of matthew supolsky. matthew supolsky. what with you? he had a background involving a drug addiction, the muscles, a restraining order against him. and we eventually tracked on matthew and they realized right away he could not be the killer. he was in a neck brace, he had been in a bad accident, he had paralysis on his arms, so we knew it couldn t be in. meeting, this visitor, whoever he was, left a fake name and a big phone number. who would do that? then they found another neighbor, who had talked to the guy, heard his story, got a good enough look at him to help with a composite sketch. and we aired it on the 10:00 news. boston police have asked for help in solving a murder. police questioned a man seen in the day before that murder. they described his wife between the ages of 35-45, he s about six feet tall and neatly dressed. and we were hoping to get tips. what you know? before long women started calling. tales about a man who wanted to buy a house. so, what were you hearing from people who may have had a visitor? was at the same story they were hearing? pretty much. yeah, they were getting the story about this guy that sold his ranch in south boston he and his wife are looking to do this quick in the physical description were all the same. some colors, like tammy, had curious details. he had on brand-new gene that were probably three sizes too long. it was the kind of strange thing you remember said agent, tammy. he had on a shirt, a striped shirt that had wrinkles in it. i mean, pulls. just came out of the box? he just bought clothes, i m sure of it. he had suspenders on, which i m sure nobody wears suspenders and it wasn t like his pants are falling off. but it is when she showed him into the house that her nerves went on alert. he said oh, after you, after you. it was a standoff at the bottom of the stairs, wouldn t go. my stomach is tight. tammy was where a. years earlier, she had been raped by a customer. i knew all my instincts, all that i have learned and been through were the reason i was nervous about him. he said his name was jim sage. he kept trying to get her into upstairs rooms. he wanted to get me in there, and i didn t budge, i stood there and all the bells were going off. the next day tammy called the police to report this jim sage. did he hurt you, did he threaten you? did he put his hands on you and i had to say no to all of that. he said i m sorry, there s nothing we can do. but now, diane had been murdered, strangled, tammy remembered the man s odd suspenders use them on diane pop holick s neck. when did that hit you? after. after i found out she was strangled. the calls kept coming in. women, with stories of a strange man posing as a homebuyer, some truly hair- raising stories. like what happened to x real estate agent melanie blunt, six months before diane was murdered. a man had called about one of her houses. it was a vacant listing, and i asked him if he had been prequalified by a lender, and i am paying cash, and so i drove over to meet him at the house or go to the door to greet him. and immediately he was behind me. he would never walk in front of me. which made melody uncomfortable. especially because he only wanted to see vacant houses, and the whole time that i was showing him the home he was never looking at any room. he seems to be more interested in looking out windows than he did the actual room. she said something else seemed off about him. he has a ticket in his neck, constantly cracking, and popping his neck and breathing very heavy. melody wanted to leave, but then the man noticed the detached garage. he was adamant about getting in the garage. he said i really want to see inside the garage. he started that neck popping. her hand shook as she tried to work the key in the door. it didn t open. i just turned to him said i m leaving, jumped in my car. locked the car and took off and i left him. she drove home, still shaken. i have never cried, nor prayed so hard in my whole life , because i felt i had dodged a bullet. melody called the police too. got the same message as tammy. they did not believe me. did he touch you? did he hurt you? no, he did not. when she saw the story about diane and the sketch? i looked at it, and immediately knew that it was the same man. well, the police and prosecutor investigating diane s murder were working every angle they could think of. we were just coming up zero. he knew what he or she was doing and very careful. that was the impression we were getting, and that is what was increasing our anxiety. so, they waited for dna results from those tiny hairs found on the towel in diane s living room. and they listened to the women who called to tell them about being frightened by a mysterious would be homebuyer. who was he? and then one more call and they knew this could be their breakthrough. she said that she had seen the news and she thinks that that man had come to her house and she possibly had a flyer that he had handled that he had left behind. we were really excited about that. which meant that, maybe there might be fingerprinted. did she say this thing? she did it by accident. she didn t just throw it away? no, she actually picked it up and put it in a sack. a story by this time sounded all too familiar. she was excited to sell her house. she was going to pay cash, wanted to bring his wife back to look at the house and he asked her if she could look around. so, she kind of followed him into one of the bedrooms and when he got to the closet he turned around on her and she said there was this awkward silence and he just stared at her, she just became so uncomfortable she thought something bad was going to happen. and just then, in a nearby room, the woman s baby cried. and it gave her the opportunity to break the encounter with him to grab the baby and he followed her into the room and was standing behind her, when she turned around with the baby in her arms and it must have spooked him. and he just left? leaving behind the flyer? leaving behind the flyer. so they picked up the real estate flyer and brought in a latent fingerprint those prints might just belong to their killer. remember, they found no prints in diane s house to compare them to. in fact, this was strange. even diane s (hard to find. as if the killer may have wipe them clean. it was really not even the fingerprints that you would think you would find in a house that was occupied. that is very rare. yes, it was very rare and scary. scary because they wouldn t know who he was. scary because if he was a stranger just looking for a convenience target he had probably seen the stories on tv with a composite sketch and knew they were looking for. so he could have changed his appearance or left the area, or even worse, my strike again somewhere else. but then? there was this one more phone call from a woman, who said she too had an experience with a male homebuyer and this call just might lead them to an actual person. coming up. she immediately got a creepy feeling from him. the brick detectives had been waiting for. she actually wrote down his license plate and called police. when dateline continues. co keith morrison (voiceover): the idea that the murder of diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house the idea that me tthe murde diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house was gaining some traction. even the friend who remained so suspicious of diane s fiance wondered about that. i had a fleeting moment that maybe it was somebody dealing with the realty and selling of the house because there were quite a few people that came in. i thought maybe a husband found her attractive, you know? made a move and she didn t go for it. calls were pouring in to the police station from women who all shared a similar story. they described a man who claimed to be in the market for a new home but seemed to be shopping for something more sinister? one woman provided police with the mystery man s fingerprint. detectives thought the crime scene had been wiped clean so there was no way to match it back. there was a new caller and she was about to give them more. and she basically had told us that months earlier that this man with the same story had come to her home but in a different neighborhood. but very affluent so it kind of matched. he was insistent about wanting to go in and see that house. and she immediately got a creepy feeling from him and told him no and her husband said well if he ever comes back you need to call the police or get his license plate because it really scared her. and about six months later he came back and was very insistent on going in to see her house and she told him no she was not going to allow him to come in. and so she called the police. nothing happened then. the reaction she got was like those other women. the police could hardly arrest some guy for just seeming creepy. but this woman did something different. she wrote down the name and phone number the man gave her but more important his license plate number. stuck it on her fridge. instinct? luck? maybe both. she didn t know if he would come back again. she thought it was concerning enough that she would just leave it on her refrigerator just in case and she gave us the original piece of paper she wrote his license plate down with. and. well we immediately ran his license plate and it was a minivan and it was registered to patrick russo and his wife janet russo. patrick russo. his last known address was in a rural area about a half hour outside austin. so they decided to pay a visit. it s a pretty drive to bastrop county. the live oaks, the cypress trees. at 4:00 a.m. the detectives weren t exactly taking in the view as they drove to russo s home. hoping this is a lead that could shed some light on the murder of diane holik. all they had were stories about a creepy guy looking at houses for sale. was patrick anthony russo that guy? maybe, maybe not. dawn was hours away when they knocked at his door. the man who woke up to answer it looked like the composite sketch. coming up. patrick russo seemed an unlikely killer. i ve got my ged. i went to college. i studied for theology to become a minister. but an odd coincidence. he was in diane s area the day she was kills. you remember ever talking to her? 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[ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. keith morrison retrack: a torrent of tips called in to austin police led detectives tracy a tore rent in to austin police led to detectives to the doorstep of patrick russo. a man matching the description of the mysterious stranger seen in diane holik s neighborhood the day of the murder. we told him his name had come up in an investigation in austin and he basically just told his wife that these things will happen from time to time because he s a convict and out on parole and not to worry that he d be back in a couple of hours and we left. on the ride to the police station he went by his nickname, tony. he wasn t surprised they wanted to talk to him. things go wrong in your town or something, it s a possibility people would look at you. and that s okay. i understand that. he seemed eager to help and wanted detectives to know he d turned his life around when he was in prison. i spent my entire eight years in prison doing nothing but engulfing myself in a better life. i got my ged. i went to college. i studied for theology to become a minister. it was behind bars where tony met his wife janet. she a church volunteer. since his release, he said, he d published an autobiography about his tough childhood, his battle with drugs and his redemption. i have a ministry they go into prisons with. i go to churches and share testimony with them on how they can deal with, you know, youth or whatever that are headed in the wrong direction. at his local church he said he d become the minister of music. what is your job at the church where they pay you for? my job is to make sure that the music for the praise team or any kind of music that s being done for church services is handled, whether i play it or have someone play it. and in his spare time? he fronted a christian rock band. what s the name of your band? it s broken silence. broken silence. that s a good name. again, said tony russo. he was more than willing to cooperate with the investigation. i will be happy to do of what you guys need. so i don t have any problem with it at all. so they asked him, where was he when diane was murdered. did he have an alibi? thursday? um, that was that big storm day, wasn t it? thursday, i spent some time at the church again. i went to go to knle here in austin. knle is a christian radio station. tony said they were helping him create a website for his christian rock band. okay. about what time was that? uh, i think it was about. let see, i talked to my wife. i was pulling into the parking lot so that would have been about 4:00, i believe. when no one came to the door i went ahead and left. so you made the trip up there for nothing basically? pretty much. then of course he got caught in that awful storm. i got lost for probably a good hour or so. i got on the phone with my wife. she stayed on the phone with me. it started getting later. that s when the heavy winds started coming and the tornadoes, i guess. so what time did you get home finally? um, my wife s better at the timing on this than i am. 5:30, i guess or 6:00? i m not really sure exactly the time frame. thing was, diane s house where she was killed was not far from the radio station. you remember ever talking to her? no, sir. tony was adamant he d never seen diane. you never talked to her? no. interesting. then detectives asked, had he been doing some house hunting? is there any reason why you d be in a neighborhood looking for a house? no. none whatsoever? uh-huh. of course they knew a thing or two about that. so the detectives leaned on him a little. do you want me to tell you how serious this is? i would appreciate it. i feel like i m getting pretty banged here and i don t even know what it s for. she s dead. i don t know if you noticed when you walked in here, this is the homicide unit. i ve done a lot things wrong in my life. i m telling you that as badly as i feel for this woman here, i m sorry, but you guys are barking up the wrong tree. go ahead, he said. search my house. my car. he even offered to take a polygraph. i don t care how hard you dig, you re not going to find me committing any crime like that. any crime, period. tony s wife janet was very helpful too. and her story about that day was just about the same as his. yeah, i was telling him where the tornadoes were. he doesn t know his way around austin all that well. next thing he knew he d circled back around going west because he was he said well there s candle again. candle is the nickname for knle the christian radio station. when the interviews ended tony asked to see janet. i promise you i never did anything to anybody. i promise. and all i think about is how this affects you and our church and everything we worked so hard for. i know. tony and janet russo had answered all their questions. had been cooperative. and tony even gave them a swab of his dna and his fingerprints. so the police thanked him and took them home. coming up. the interview part two. this one a little tougher. is there any reason why somebody might have seen your van over there? 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(announcer) dexcom g7 helps protect against highs and lows. call now! hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. i don t ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i m committed to golo for life. after police interviewed tony russo and his wife, they brought him back in. the day e.after police interviewed tony russo and his wife they brought him back in. again he was cooperative. said he was surprised to be a suspect in of all things a murder. two years i ve done everything i can to make the best life for my family and myself. being caught up in this whole thing is such a mind boggler that i feel like i m in a nightmare state right now. bits of information and the women s stories about a creepy man who looked a lot like him were stacking up. detectives asked him about the upscale neighborhoods where several women had reported seeing him. often driving his minivan. is there any reason why somebody might have seen your minivan over there? surely i don t have the only pewter ford minivan in this town. that has that license plate on it. that s true. that is true. by the time the detectives interviewed tony they d checked for priors and guess what. that conviction the one he was on parole for was for kidnapping with a very particular twist. he had gone into an office where a woman was alone and tied her up with zip ties and choked her. did not kill her but choked her. disturbingly familiar given what happened to diane holik. back then a decade before diane s murder tony confessed to kidnapping and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. it was there he met and married janet and soon after was paroled after serving only one- third of his sentence. but the kidnapping charge wasn t all they found at tony s record. even earlier, years earlier, there it was her. it had actually been a quiet day. donna shank encountered tony when she was an apartment manager. all alone late one afternoon in her building rental office when a man walked in. he wanted to look at a two bedroom apartment for his self and his girlfriend, he says. donna showed him an available apartment. we re walking down the hallway. we get back to what would be the master bedroom so i open the closet door and went into the closet to turn the light on and in a split second he had me by the throat. she struck out at him. tried scratching and slapping him in an effort to get away. he took her down. before i knew it i was on the floor. i was on the floor face up and he was straddling me with both of his hands around my throat just squeezing. tight. very tight. i wasn t able to speak. i wasn t able to breathe. i was thrashing and. grabbing at him and things. bucking, you know, everything i could do. until he grabbed my hands and panned them i guess under his knees. i couldn t move my hands. it just, you know, dawned on me okay well this is it. is this absolute terror? it is absolute terror to where your life flashes before your eyes and. you think i m going to die. and this is it. then she thought no, this would not be it and she thrashed about until she was able to free her hands. and i put my hands on his forearms trying to pull him away. i had sort of a high neck sweater on and he kept pulling my sweater down to look at my neck and his eyes are very different, very scary. it was completely different. it was like flipping a switch. it was a very scary crazed look. then donna in a panic said all she could think of saying. i ve been gone too long, they know what apartment i m in, they will come looking for me and he would say you re lying don t lie to me you better not be lying to me and would call me profanities and would strike me. he s still holding on to you, your throat. yes. but he seemed to realize yes, there was a possibility somebody would be coming to look for her and as quickly as he had become a monster. his expression changed again and his eyes went softer. then he completely took his hands off of me and just went like this and just covered his face and then sat back up and he said i can t believe i did this. are you okay? like he s a different person now. yes. to the point that he was apologizing profusely for doing it, asked me if i was hurt. asked me if i was okay. helped me up off of the the floor. helped me collect my necklace that was torn off and thrown about. he begged donna not to call the police, but she did. and he confessed. he was convicted of misdemeanor assault. and was put on probation. but as the years went by, he had attacked five other women in similar ways. including his kidnapping victim. now he s being questioned about a murder involving zip ties and choking and was denying he knew anything about it. saying the similarities with earlier incidents were merely coincidence. it s disgusting to sit here and listen to you talk about being such a devout christian and forgiveness and how much you ve turned your life around when this one coincidence after another this whole thing goes back to similarities that i m sure coincidental back in 1989, 1990, 91, 92. but you re this reborn christian? and you re going to sit here and lie about it? but the truth was at that point police could only prove patterns of behavior. patterns tony insisted he broke when he became a born-again christian. but really? so the detectives set up a little trap and asked him if his fingerprints could possibly be found on a real estate flier. have you ever handled aureoles flier for a house for sale in west austin. no. then your fingerprints shouldn t be on there. correct. but even as tony insisted otherwise they already had received the test results from the real estate flier saved by that woman. thank you lord tony russo s fingerprints were positively on that flier. what happens in the old gut when that? we knew it was him. we just weren t able to put him anywhere and now we had him. true, they had him recently in the home of a woman who d been terrified by his behavior. but they didn t have him in diane holik s house. to get that evidence they needed time and they worried would he run? then the prosecutor had a canny idea. when tony russo said he didn t touch the real estate flier, that was a lie. and lying to the police was a parole violation. so the da s office came up with this charge that allowed us the time we needed to send off all the dna and physical evidence to see if it we could actually put him at her house. bring your right hand back. so into jail went tony russo. coming up. there were five guys standing like a theater setting. show time. with a script. as his victims come face to face with tony russo. repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? do you have any information about the familiar plan of the house? i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that was extremely frightening. when dateline continues. i m out of breath, and often out of the picture. but this is my story. 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we had so many women that had let him into their homes in different neighborhoods all over austin, south austin, north austin, even real estate agents that he had called when he wanted to look at vacant houses. but could any of those women actually identify tony russo as their guy? we felt like we needed to do a live lineup because the phrasing and his ruse that he used was so specific and the women remembered his voice and they remembered his story. so they rounded up some austin police officers who looked like tony and put him and them in a lineup. and brought the women in. and there were five guys standing like on a theater setting. number one, take one step forward. couple of feet above me and we re down below. number two, repeat the following phrase. you have a beautiful house. you have a beautiful house. we had a script that each person had to step forward and exactly repeat what the detective was telling them to say. i m going to pay cash for a house. i m going to pay cash for a house. it was everything that was said to each one of these women when he went into their homes. i came to this house before, didn t i? i came to this house before, didn t i? repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? he was number one right in front of me. i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that it was extremely frightening. i picked him out of a lineup immediately. i was feeling a lot of guilt. i don t know why. you just feel what could i have done? somebody s dead and this man was with me. how many of those witnesses picked out the right guy? i believe it was 15 women. out of the total of how many? i think it was 30. eyewitness testimony is notoriously not great and often doesn t carry much weight in a trial so you needed something more. yes. what they needed was something definitive to put tony russo in diane holik s house. they d sent off dna samples from diane s finger where her ring had been yanked off and from that towel on her couch. finally the results. what did the dna tell you? the swab on her hand was a mixture that was consistent with a combination of diane holik and russo. was it enough to say for sure though because dna. no. no, no, no. we can t exclude him. it s consistent with him. but it s not the kind of dna that you can eliminate the rest of the world. right. just really increased suspicion is all. it was helpful. it was dez positive. we sent the hair off to a lab and they did a may toe conacre dry corral dna test. we could not exclude mr. russo. but you couldn t say for sure. no. so close. just not quite the absolute proof they d been hoping for. but the dna did provide one very helpful service. police had confirmed the alibis of diane s fiance dennis and her ibm friend ray. these tests definitively eliminated them as suspects. but we could not eliminate mr. russo. finally six months after diane s death, tony russo was charged with murder. the risk? maybe. they d only get one shot. and the evidence they were going to take to court did not absolutely link him to the murder of diane holik. then the trial was almost upon us. they found something. something almost beyond belief. in my wildest dreams i never imagined that a website like this could even exist. coming up. the dark side to the web. and tony russo. you certainly had your motive. yes, we did. when dateline continues. ths what hd to me. 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not so easy. it was the most complex murder case definitely the most complex murder case i ve ever tried. that s because without hard evidence linking tony to the murder or even putting him in diane s house she d have to assemble all the jagged puzzle pieces of coincidence into a coherent pattern. when you re getting ready for trial you put it together almost like a play. what are you going to tell them first so you script it out. there were the zip ties on his property that seemed to match marks on diane s wrists. his cell phone pinged near her house. the radio station alibi was a lie. the dna, though it wasn t absolutely definitive, could not eliminate him. and all those women that identify him as that creepy guy claiming he wanted to buy a house with cash. cash which he certainly did not have. but then. he really wasn t looking for houses he was looking for victims. like realtor melody blount who cried and prayed after her encounter she found it so terrifying to testify. but did. i did not expect for patrick anthony russo to be sitting across from me within 10 to 12 feet and having to testify with that man looking at me, it was petri fying. and most unsettling when she noticed something all too familiar. now i m glaring at russo and what does he do? he starts that tick in his neck. starts that popping and i raised my hand up and i said there he goes. he s doing it right now. the state also called tony russo s victims from earlier years. including donna the young apartment manager he attacked in lake jackson, texas. this phone call just out of the blue after all of that time. she was not only surprised, she was angry. very angry. why did that have to a. why did someone have to be killed before this man was stopped? and the emotions of that whole ugly ordeal flooded right back. my heart started racing. it was just being terrified all over again. but some of the compelling evidence came courtesy of tony s first wife. as he d been married once before. the first wife said he could not get aroused sexually unless he was choking her and that he choked her when they had sex. and the second wife? the second wife confirmed he also choked her while they had sex. i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. any time i feel like my airway s getting restricted, you know, and he s, he always lets go. so a strange and potentially dangerous fetish but was that all it was? isn t it possible though that he really didn t want to kill diane holik? that s just my belief that he did. that just choking and not killing it was no longer enough. it wasn t enough any more. and why was she so sure? because of what turned up during a forensic analysis of tony russo s computer. the i.t. people landed on it just as the trial was about to begin. disturbing is perhaps too bland a word to describe what was in there. he was a member of a website one that you had to pay money to see. it s described as tastefully erotic death scenes and mr. russo had chosen the subcategory of asphyxiation. omg. uh-huh. in my wildest dreams i never imagined a website like this could even exist or that anybody would want to look at it. you certainly had your motive. yes, we did. it s called sexual sadism. he felt a compulsion to go and choke people. yes. he was sexually aroused by women being choked. oh boy. that gets into pretty dark territory. yes. they nailed him big time. diane s friend anita was in the courtroom as the state rested and she waited to hear tony s defense. we were all thinking okay, well, here we go. we re really going to hear a whole bunch of stuff. the room was packed solid with people. so his attorney just stood up and said defense rests. there was like a huge gasp in the room and then totally silent. diane s friend lynn arrived just in time to hear the closing argument. he stood quiet for a minute and walked over to the jury and he looked them all in the face. he said i need you to understand what happened to her that night. he put his hands up in the air like this and he put his thumbs down and he shook his hands like this as do though he was choking someone. he said, imagine. it took her two and a half, maybe even three minutes for her to die. as he s holding on to her. yeah. stood there and he looked at his watch and just waited. and for at least two and a half minutes nothing moved in that courtroom. and it was silent and he held that position with shaking hands until enough time had passed that a person would have died from being choked. and all of a sudden slams his hand down on the table. i mean, that s how long it took for her to die. and the whole courtroom just, i mean we all broke down at that point. to think that s how long it took for her to die. how long she suffered. the defense, which did not call a single witness made the case in its closing argument for all the drama the state, they said, failed to prove, because it couldn t prove, that tony russo was ever in diane holik s home. couldn t prove he killed her. tony did not testify. but he did talk to us. coming up. the verdict. when the jury walked back in to the jury box i can t even look at them. when dateline continues. lin the virus that causes shingles is sleeping. in 99% of people over 50. it s lying dormant, waiting. and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you re not at risk for shingles? 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his hair has gone silver now. he s in prison for life. and here one friday morning he brought his bible to the barrier that separates his world from ours. his holy staff of assurance that what he was about to tell us about his role in the murder of diane holik would be god s truth. that jury comes back and says guilty, what s that like? devastating. when you re innocent, it s devastating. innocent? yes. and so i hear from the warden that you got your bachelors in divinity. yes, sir. if i had to spend the rest of my life in here i want to use it for christ. throughout our talk he wore his christianity like a badge and like an accusation. i noticed that in the media they love to sensationalize any christians or people that claim to be christians that somehow they just they ve got it, there s some hidden secrets in their life. but your victims were christians too. saying you re a christian and being a christian are two different things. in other words you have to be totally honest? i don t think you have to be totally honest but i think there s things in your life that you ll exhibit whether christ is in your life or not. the evidence against him? he had answers for everything. like why he lied to the police when he said he wasn t looking at houses when in fact he was. i did deny in the interview because i felt like i was going to incriminate myself in the original interrogation. i did, however, share with my attorneys what had been going on. which was, he said, perfectly innocent research. looking at the different designs and things. for a long time we had talked about building a house, one of my friends from church had lived in a mobile home while he built a house on the back of his property. so we wondered, why did he behave in a way that terrified all those women who testified in court against him? you got to admit that was a pretty creepy thing to do. i don t know how creepy it is to look at houses or designs of houses. to tell people a whole shaggy dog tale about why you re there, to follow them around the house, to make them nervous. i preferred not to follow anybody through a house. they re the ones that want to show you the house so they tend to lead you. the rental agent he attacked and half strangled back in 1989. what do you have to say to a woman like her? okay, i don t remember her at all. i don t. and yet he actually confessed to attacking that woman back in 1989. and what about the witness so frightened by his visit to her house that she and her husband saved his license plate number? they kept the license number. they kept about four license plate numbers of people that looked at their house or wanted to look at their house without a realtor. not true, said darla davis. his license number was the only one they saved. i also asked him about his decision to take the pinstriping off his van, just then. he said that wasn t because police were looking for it but because it had been vandalizes. i was going to redo the pinstriping since i had originally put it on there. the zip ties police found wrapped around fencing on his property? they belonged to a friend, he said. and the statement by his wife janet that he would sometimes choke her during sex. i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. i never choked anybody. you choked your wife. no, i did not. she said you did. no, she didn t. she said you choked her as part of a sex act. that s how you had sex. that s not true. that s a manipulation of what she said. i m just telling you that s what she said. we reminded tony he d been married twice and in marriage number one same issue. but your ex-wife says you choked her. okay. and that s how you got sexual arousal. the only way you d get sexual arousal. i m not going to go into detail to embarrass her so i d rather not say anything about her. you know that s a tactic, don t you? i ve seen this done a thousand times. you can call it a tactic. if you ve got something to say about the woman, say it but don t do that where i m not going to say a bad thing about her because it would be mean to her. that s bs and you know it. well, under the world standards yeah that would be bs. but as a christian it s not. we asked about that pornographic website reporting to show the killing of asphyxiation of women. the one he had to register and pay for before he could access it. i cannot help that porn sites pop up on a computer. they don t pop up unless you look at some porn site. so there s an explanation for everything. there s a truth to everything. oh, yes, tony russo had an answer for everything. i am absolutely innocent and it disgusts me that every time you try to say you re innocent everybody says isn t that what everybody says? have you confessed the ultimate sin to god? what s the ultimate sin you re talking about? murder. if i had murdered someone i definitely would have. be you you say with your hands on your bible. i will die claiming my innocence and people can believe it or not believe it. i absolutely am innocent and i don t care how guilty i look. he couldn t convince any courts of that though. all his appeals failed. here he will stay. outside this institution, several women still struggle with the anxieties and fears and prisons of their own created by him. come back any time i get a call from a man that wants to see a house who is single. every time. i could have been a victim. i was an intended victim. that s a hard thing to think about. and they told us, the trauma lives on. though. it s comforting to know he s in there. that he can t hurt anybody else. they are sorority sisters of a sort who unwilling to live their lives as silent victims came together to help get tony russo off the street for good. we did our job and we got him convicted. so they did. this sisterhood. for the sake of a woman whose fate might have been theirs. diane holik. whose friends came together to remember how they miss her. even after all these years. she was a constant friend. she was in my life every day and all of a sudden she was gone in an instant like blowing a candle out. you see the smile on all these photographs. was she always smiling? always. always. she had a magic smile. it was infectious. if she was smiling everybody else had to. we had to. i m andrea canning, and this is dateline. andrea canning: it was one of the most harrowing days in our history. i hear
class= nosel > div class= colspacer > div class= gutr > artwork and his name. he seemed content. during one of his mental health evaluations, he told doctors, this is the happiest i ve been in my life. i m happy as a clam, to be honest. i really am. be honest. i really am. jr. who four decades after shooting an american president appeared at peace with his past. that s all for this edition of dateline. # thank you for watching. . good morning. and welcome to the saturday edition of morning joe weekend. it was a busy week, so let s get to the conversations you might have missed. you can t gag a nominee. can you imagine you are running for office and not allowed to talk. when that ndhappens, we are no longer s democracy. and we are not ppgoing to let that happen. and i know a lot of republicans want retribution and want to do that we are rigoing to see what happens. donald trump is ratcheting up threats to prosecute his rivals if reelected following his conviction on 34 felony counts in his criminal hush money trial. and in a new piece for the new york times, it s taking a closer eslook at what that coul mean. explaining it like this, the justice department is part of the executive branch. and he will be its boss. he will be able to tell its officials to investigate and prosecute his rivals and mr. trump who has made no secret of his desire to purge the federal bureaucracy of those found insufficiently loyal to achis agenda will be able to fire those who refuse. what s more, the times also highlights how republican leaders in and out of government, are publicly pushing to prosecute democrats as legal retribution for trump s felony conviction. specifically, steve bannon, the former chief s strategist evto trump who fowas convicted in a federal prosecution for failing to comply with a congressional subpoena. and in the january 6th investigation. he told the times in a text message that now is the time for obscure republican prosecutors around the country to make a name for themselves by prosecuting democrats. stating, there are dozens of ambitious back bencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to seize the day and own this moment in history. the cohost of the weekend simone sanders townsent and an host of the podcast on brand with donny deutch and state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave. dave, can you expound upon how this time around if trump did win another term in the presidency, that actually those threats wouldn t be something that republicans or people who choose to vote for him despite thinking that s wrong, perhaps going oh, you know, he is not serious, how actually this time around it can be serious. it s dangerous if donald trump gets a lackey as attorney general they have immense powers as federal prosecutor a and less ability to influence local prosecutors. one of the best things about being a local district attorney is that the governor, the attorney general and the president isthey are not your bosses. the people of our communities are our bosses, and that s why when maga blames joe biden for pulling the strings in the new york case. they are lying or have fundamental misunderstanding of the chris fuma am justice syste i can assure you no might house or president e called me to go after anyone especially donald trump. and if the white house was involved at the local level ed they would be calling me e because i am the state attorney with mar-a-lago in my jurisdiction. what this shows is team trump is projecting yet again when they claim that prosecutors are weaponized against former president. they are now trying to do what they are falsely accusing political opponents. it s cynical and dangerous and shows how the rule of law means nothing to the people. let s take other side and what democrats are tdoing and should be emdoing in the wake o the verdict. have seen polls suggest slight move towards president biden. a point or two. new york potimes had a survey they went back and recanvassed voters they spoke to and now the verdict modest but 2 points towards biden in race that s clothes but what should democrats being doing in terms of addressing the rules of law but how should they be taking on the verdict? is it something that should be front and center inor a piece o the puzzle. i said last week. it s a branding issue. whenever they refer to them they should start with convicted felon like he used to call lying ted. that s his name convicted felon donald trump. keep it present because as you talked about earlier, the a parade moves on. and this is something the parade shouldn t move on. the other thing i couldn t help watching this tmorning from normandy and biden speech, as biden referred to tyranny around the world and a w dictatorship and lack of freedom around the world, i was not confused. i was thinking was he talking about trump or putin which was the bigger threat he was talking about. and everybody should just watch and look at faces of those hundred-year-old men, the greatest generation who gave their lives not they gave their lives but partners gave their lives and they put their lives on the line. what they did that for so we, today, could have a free vote. it s as simple as that. they gave it for freedom. what s on the line in the ballot, and i am not overlie dramatic is free elections going forward. donald trump tellsous what he is going to do and will we have free elects if donald trump is elected and that s on the line and that s also with democrats we have to continue to do is no more complicated than that. it s freedom versus the end of democracy. that s it. that s not hyperbole. and simone, in order to dedo that and in order to defeat donald trump, think we have to pick up a certain percentage of trump voters. so. well. my question go ahead. well, tii would say, not tru voters because trump voters are voting for trump. there are very few people who brand themselves as trump voters who would consider casting a ballot for joe biden. and so i actually think in y order to win, joe biden has to recreate parts of his coalition from 2020, and that coalition included republicans and obviously an until of voters and democrat being base voters. and i have to tell you all i talked to our colleague michael steele one of oumy cohost on th weekend about this often. and michael hesteele is you hav to create a structure because republicans and they cannot fathom e voting for joe biden. he think what the issue is democratic voters, because the tent is so big, especially black and latino voters, young people, right, women voting democrat for a long time, they have not had a problem going into a voting booth checking the box or pushing a button for a person that doesn t align with them on everything because they are clear about why they are voting and the person will give me everything and is not with me on all the things. but i got to go into the ballot box for x, y and z. lee pub cans voters have not had to do that for a lopping time. to ask republican voters never had to hold the nose and cast a ballot for someone they don t think alines with them 100%. and in this election, when we talk about democracy, and i heard hearing joe biden this morning every day i am proud to be an american. but today maybe especially proud because especially the joe biden is our president. because when he stood out there and he said that it is the blood of the young and the brave that will defend and he laid made the case very clear, that s not a speech donald trump could have given. it s not something donald trump believes. but it is going to take a coalition of people, again, as times wrote in america, presidents have to earn the mandate and idearn it from the voters. and the question on the table is can joe biden earn the mandate. and think he can but they have to recreate the coalition. simone, what he said was the price of unchecked tyranny is the blood of our young. and will we stand up to that tyranny. the answer is yes. and i felt the same thing you did. i did feel the very same way. george s 2020 election interference case will not go to trial before presidential election this november. yesterday, a georgia court of appeals officially stayed the case until at least october. that ntmonth the court will hea a challenge of judge scott decision s to allow district attorney fani willis to remain. it applies to former president trump and multiple codefendants including rudy giuliani and former white house chief of staff mark meadows. it seems in two of the really key cases, jonathan, the delays keep coming. yeah, the trump playbook for more than a year now is all the charges and various jurisdictions was to delay, delay, delay to try to push them past the election. that didn t work in new york. and atwe know that and got a verdict last week. but seems to be working about everywhere else. georgia case definitively not happening until after the election. mar-a-lago classified documents case, judge cannon seems to be running interference at times for the trump campaign and that s been delayed. so dave, that leaves one. and that s the federal january 6th case. he which right now, big peas of it lie before the supreme court waiting a-a ruling whether or not presidents have full immunity. it s been described to me as a couple options here. one option is they say no of course not and if that s the case there is still a slim chance that jack smith could get the trial done in maybe august and therefore, we would have that before the election. but, if they do anything else including kick it back to the circuit court it will be beyond ma. give us your analysis what you think could, but will happen. the only case that could go before the election is that d.c. election interference case. judge cannon slow walking the case and cathe case in fulton county and fani willis had self- inflicted wounds and d.c. a judge who wants it to go and prosecution who wants it to go, but the supreme court is holding it up. now, there are a lot of options. the people are court could ou throw it back to the judge and say fact-finding. p that would make much harder . to have the trial before the election. but she would have a public fact-finding hearing which then the public would learn about all the dirty details around donald trump s involvement with january 6th. that s something. but in the end, think the problem is that the people need to know whether donald trump is guilty of the crimes and everyone was agasped about on january 6th. and department of justes which normally doesn t push cases shortly before the election has announced they will go to trial in this case wwithin 06 days o the election if the supreme court gives it the green light. we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. joe weeken after a short break. ke a migrai. with nurtec odt, i found relief. nothing dims on a migraine with nurtek odt i found relief. it 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we will be this for ukraine. how does that how does that parallel with some of the what we have seen in washington that delayed the much needed aid ukraine needed to push back against russian aggression? well, you know, that aide should have gotten there a long time ago but i am glad it is there i and making a difference. every i day we are pushing it to the front lines making sure ukrainians have it and can use it. but there s a powerful parallel between what we are commemorating today and what we are doing. back then it was not just the united states. here in normandy, 12 countries came together. 160,000 men coming to the beach, coming to start the final fight that ultimately 11 months later led to victory in world war ii. ukraine, more than 50 countries standing up, standing together, and making sure that ukraine has what it needs to defend itself and push back aggression. and that s the power of our alliances and that s the biggest difference maker in the world. our adversaries and competitors, they don t have the same alliances they coerced countries and pay them off, here, we have country after country that volunteers to stand together stand together in defense of principles that we share and need tee fending. we see that in ukraine and saw it 80 years ago here in normandy. mr. secretary, good morning. of course, the war in ukraine is the backdrop to where you are today in normandy. i wanted to get your reaction. donald trump, the presumptive republican nominee said a few times including last night on social media that he is saying that putin will release wall street journal report evan gershkovich who is being held prisoner on espionage and suggested putin will do so after the election were trump to win. can you give us a sense what he is talking about. is there a back channel conversation between trump and putin offer is this sort of dangerous rhetoric? i don t know what he is talking about. i can t speculate on it. all i can tell you is, we are working every day to make sure americans who are being detained arbitrarily whether in russia or anywhere else, come home. and we managed to bring more americans home who are being arbitrarily detained than any administration. and i carry a list with me every day of the americans who remain detained by one power or another, and we are working every day to make sure that not another day goes by before they are brought home to their families. i am not sure what he is referencing, but i can tell you we are working at it every day. mr. secretary, as you sat there this morning on sacred ground, you witnessed a group of veterans aged 98 to 103, struggling to stand in order to receive the legion of merit from the president of the united states and the president of france. given the burden that the president is carrying and you are carrying, in gaza, in the kyiv i was wondering as you watch the ceremonies and looked at the faces of these aged veterans, what were you thinking about? mike, it s it was such an incredibly powerful moment to look at men to try to imagine what it was like for them. 80 years ago. and he thought back because my dad, then, 80 years ago, had just left college in the middle of his school year, to signp for the air force to prepare to go into world war ii. and some where else on this continent, my stepfather was incarcerated in concentration camp. a death camp. and the men who came here to normandy 80 years ago, and turned the tide on the war because 11 months later world war ii was over, some of them went onto liberate the camps. and liberate my step dad and he was liberated by an american tank with that 5 pointed white star on it rushing up to a gi in the tank who opened the hatch and african american gi and he said then the only words he knew in the english language, god bless america. that s what i was thinking about today. god bless america. god bless the men who were before us who saved the world. mr. secretary, the president talked about nato how it is growing, how much stronger it will become against these dark forces. we have had a time in the united states where the commander in chief at the time, did not respect nato, i will say it kindly undermined it. can you share what s most important about the conviction and commitment of this international alliance. mika, it s really as i said, our comparative advantage we bring other countries together in common purpose so it s not just america alone. it s all of us taking on and upholding the cause of freedom. in ukraine more than 50 countries. not just the united states. and for everything we are putting into it, collectively our partners, our allies, are putting in more. and that s what s making the difference. so, to deny ourselves those alie ands alliances would be to short change our interest to do everything ourselves on it wouldn t get done. we used to have an idea after world war ii, called enlightened self-interest where the investments in others the work we did with others that came back ten times, 100 times, 1,000 times to our benefit. it meant we had new allies to deter aggression and new partners to deal with big problems that one country can t deal with alone. we had new markets for our businesses and our workers to sell to. that made sense for america. it makes sense for america. and president biden is determined and as he has been from day one, to make sure that our alliances are strong, partnerships are real, because that s good for the country. coming up, a new wide ranging interview with president biden revealing what he hopes to do if he is elected to a second term. we will talk with time magazine reporter who spoke to the president exclusively. don t go anywhere. nice to meet you. my name is david. i been a pharmacist for 44 years. when i have customers come in, and ask for something for memory, i recommend prevagen because it is effective and doesn t require a prescription and i have taken it and i love it when customers say david, that really 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team putting that run together. contradictions and poor predictions from donald trump. in a new wide ranging interview president biden is outlining his vision for a second term and highlighting his efforts to leave the country around the world. the president spoke exclusively to time for the publications upcoming cover story titled if he wins. joining us is time s washington bureau chief who he and time editor sam jacobs interviewed president biden for the cover story on may 28th at the white house. good morning. so what is the pitch if you put it on a bumper sticker but let you go longer. what s the pitch for a second term other than keeping donald trump out of the white house again? well, think that the point that biden and his team makes is foreign policy is very, very important. it s as important as any issue and the difference between biden and trump on foreign policy is as big a difference as has existed on foreign policy in 100 years maybe ever. biden believes in alliances. trump and his team are very skeptical don t like alliances. it matters generally for the future of the world and for americans prosperity and security which way the country chooses to go. tell us more if you will about the president s vision for a second term in terms of the foreign policy particularly on the matters of ukraine and what we are seeing in israel and gaza. so, you know, big issue in the background is china managing china s rise. what biden talks about in the interview is a kind of alliance based approach to managing that. they point to he and his team point to ukraine as an example of the way that it values based alliance can maximize amplify american power and influence. he is expanneded nato, and he brought in some asian powers into the effort in ukraine in ways people haven t done before. and in the middle east it s been a more prague mat being approach after initially isolating insaudi arabia the administration pivoted and embraced them to pull them back from china. and obviously,s s wrestled mightily with the alliance with israel and with netanyahu. all that gets to how you manage china, which is the first country in 100 years that has the potential to challenge the u.s. both militarily and economically, and you know, that really competition is going to shape, you know, the future for the u.s. over the coming century. so tell us a little more about that and also the role india might play. we have prime minister and his party today we are learning going to be reelected, but a small margin than anticipated. how does president biden attempt to say he will attempt to manage the forces? so, again, it s good example of what the biden approach is versus the trump approach. trump took a bilateral one-on- one transactional by his kit and it s aes own account achieved a lot in his own right. biden is more internationalist. so within india in addition to the straight one-on-one stuff, they focus on what s called the quad which is japan, australia, india and the u.s. and trying to build that up into a kind of a more formal sustainable force. but he s the list if you go back and look at stuff they rolled out, at the bilats between trump between biden and modi, they have a long list of things they have tried to put uneatable to bring india closer to the u.s. because you are right, that s a key strategic player in managing china. and of covers, the president expected to underline the importance of american alliance during speeches to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day this week in france. times cover story featuring president joe biden goes on sale next friday june 14th. title if he wins. times washington bureau chief massimo, thanks so much. we appreciate it. next, nearly two years after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, a new book looks into conservatives years long strategy that led to the dobbs decision. we will talk with the authors after the break. did you know sling has your favorite programs for $40. favorite news for 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and listen to breaking news and analysis any time, anywhere. go beyond the what to understand the why. download the new msnbc app now. nearly two years after the supreme court overturned roe versus wade, a new book is shedding light on conservatives strategy that finally led to the dobbs decision. the book is titled the fall of roe, rise of a new america exploring how the most fervent anti-abortion activist persuaded the court to end nearly 50 years of precedence. the book s coauthors national religion correspondent for the new york times and national political correspondent for the new york times. good morning to you both congratulations. today s pub day. today is pub day. congratulations. today is pub day. your baby is out into the world. it is. it s here. cooply, deeply reported 350 interviews and you really get into the history of the issue. so, it s a lot to get through. but, i guess the i will start at the end which is how the dam broke after this half century effort to overturn roe versus wade. doubled trump getting in the white house, obviously put the three justices on the supreme court. but at the end, what happened to push it over the finish line. our book is the first narrative of how roe fell and we looked at final decade what have we call the roe hear and they were able to move the levers in power and big and small working at statehouses pushing through legislation. and you point out donald trump is elected and they get they jump on that train. it is a bullet train for them. and they get really lucky and get three seats on the supreme court. and they are dealing with an abortion rights movement that is really ileequipped and unprepared to take on the threat in a country that has a pervasive sense of denial the right part of american life for two generations could suddenly disappear. so, donald trump obviously evangelicals were skeptical of him in 2015 and 2016 a talked about being pro choice. many time in public previous to that, and then maybe ultimately they realized they could perhaps shape him because he wants to be elected. one of the interesting things we found is it was not just evangelicals that catholics played an important role in the anti-abortion movement s growth origins. evangelicals were late coming to that in history. and leaders of the anti- abortion movement actually really were rooted in their conservative christian values. values about family, womenhood, and, of course, abortion. and what our story shows it was shows values that were behind the movement. certainly as lisa said there s all the levers of power they pulled. but at its core this is happening over a period when america s becoming increasingly secular. and there s so much cultural change especially when it comes to marriage, family and sex. and these are the things the anti-abortion movement ultimately is hoping to change. it is not just about overturning roe. it s about a much bigger half century plan to really rollback the sexual revolution. joe, you watched this so closely from the point of view of faith but also through politics over the course of your life. yeah. and your career. culminating once donald trump is in the white house with 50 years precedence overturned. right in right 50 years of precedence overturn and elizabeth you are right, catholics have been pro life for quite sometime as i always joke on the show. evangelicals my church southern baptists were pro choice from the time of jesus birth until the eagles broke up. and i just so when you say a new america, i think it s interesting it was a new republican party and redefinition by political activists in 1979, 1980, what it meant to be in the evangelical and what it meant to be a christian. and you had people like paul you richard and jerry falwell this is how we beat a southern baptist democrat. i am curious how did their political mass nations in 1979 and 1980 not only change american politician, but based on your reporting, how did it change how evangelicals looked at their own faith. in bringing in this political controversy that many now put at the center of their faith. well, look, if you think about politics influencing religion or religion influence politics, and the story that we have been really seeing you have been talking about on the show for so long, is in the trump era especially in the last decade, we are really seeing the merging of those two things. and politics influencing religion. and you know, you can think back to the very long game the anti-abortion movement, conservative christians think in generations about change not just a political cycle. but, also, the people that you mentioned, that s a couple generations ago. and there was actually this most recent generation that actually got overturning roe over the finish line was really led by conservative christian women. and they have a vision of what it means to be a woman in america. how motherhood fits into that. that really changed the game in the end. and it is not just the story of kind of the 80s religious right but a modern religious right that s not just issues about abortion but issues all kinds of cultural issues. in this whole realm about rolling back the sexual revolution. and some ways, they have radicalized along with the republican party it s a new generation of socially conservative activists and have gone, i think donald trump republican party expanded horizons of what is possible and that s part of what we see playing out in the politics now particularly on this issue. well, and let s also state what every survey shows. a the love people calm they will selves evan evangelicals. tim keller said he stopped using the term because it had been so politicized. i am curious, lisa, in your reporting, i think the cliff hanger here as dobbs was being decided after the leak was whether john roberts was going to be able to get kavanaugh or barrett to come with him and just go with the mississippi 15 week ban. i am curious what did your reporting find? how close did the chief justice get to getting one of those two to take a more incremental approach? well, he didn t get all that close. he tried and certainly tried hard but in the end, this is not what happened. and you know, one of the most interesting things i think we found is we uncovered some new sort of internal documents that showed where this movement wants to go in the future. and how you know elizabeth was talking about how this is a movement that is really intent on changing the structure or reverting in some ways the structure of american families and what we saw was they are looking at other things going forward and that was hinted at in the decision by thomas. but, certainly, the internal documents we got a handle on we are talking about transrights and talking about parental rights and religion and public squares and things like schools or town meetings, and same sex marriage. this is a beginning you know the start of a series of cases on the 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tonight s my night, though. okay. stephanie call 911 and and a gigantic fireman appeared. i thought, i get it now. i could get used to this. mommy s home. i came around the corner and our son said, it s just her. does everything have to be a joke with you? kind of, yeah. that is a look at the new standup special tig notaro hello, again in the special tig a mother of two speaks about the more humbling parts of parenthood as you heard there. and as well as health challenges that come with aging and even unexpected encounter she had with a firefighter inside her bedroom. the maniy and grammy nominated comedian joins us now. she is also the codirector of the movie, am i okay which premiers tomorrow on max. we will talk about that in a minute. tig so good to see you. you too. can we hear about the firefighter encounter on do you not want to give away too much about the special. it raised questions in your mind. it was a little confusing. i am married to a woman, and she had to call the she had to call 911, and a fireman came and hauled me out of the house in the middle of the night. and his just big strong arms holding me and carrying me really, i truly was in his arms thinking, oh my god, i get it now. i was so confused. and he also had a big mustache, and. that will get you. i didn t know i was into mustaches. i was so confused. because i was, you know, fighting for my life, but also like, am i in the wrong life or you know, i didn t know what was going on. but yeah. you got it. you got it a little bit. you got two kids as you talk about in the special. your wife also as you said stephanie, directed this. yes. what is the dynamic there in terms of work partnerships? she is directing you in a special how to you get along. we get along well. we met working together. we met as actors on a film and created shows, and written tv and film and we have done everything together. so, it just kind of felt more my wife has a different look than the fireman. but, my taste is all over the place. but, so, yeah, i feel like we have similar sensibilities with slight differences of course. but i think those differences elevate our vision and everything that we do. i mentioned the kids. there s a hilarious moment in the special recounts a moment she arrives home to less than enthusiastic children. one day, i came home by myself and when i walked in, the alarm said, side door open. and our son started yelling, mommy is home. mommy is home. and that s what they call stephanie. and then i came around the corner, and our son fin looked back at me and looked at his brother and said, it s just her. as if to say don t even bother even slightly turning your head. the let down is so monumental. learn from my mistake. some of us who have two kids at home i can relate. we all can. not being the chosen parent. tell us how you decided to draw from your home life, kids in particular, into your act? i mean, it just i feel like it s that extra sense as a comedian where i think this is definitely something i am going to take on stage. and then, you know, now that i am married with a family, i it s not just me anymore. so, i have had moments where steffi has been like, i feel like that s just for us. right. and which is fine because there s a million other opportunities. i say i live in a house with a writing staff. because there s always something that i can grab and use. no doubt we all have multiple children and i think we related to the moment i think i am the number three person in the house and there s four of us hold on a second. think when people see you on stage and watched your special, they think she just has it together all the time. she just walks out on the stage and just does it. and you talked a little bit about how the chaotic events leading unto the special, and i am sure leading up to what you do on the stage, talk to us a little bit about that. because people don t always see that side of comedians and others who perform publicly. when you say. i think you talked about traveling through europe and losing are suitcase and. yeah, yeah oh my gosh. and the things that go into what you do on stage. you don t just pop out there. i normally do, i am a freak of nature in that way where i can just show up at show time. walk in and the back stage door and walk on stage. but, when i was touring europe before this special, i did i lost my suitcase for almost three weeks. and it was just on tour without me. seeing all the sights that i was hoping to. and i also somebody walked in front of me at the airport, with their huge luggage, and tripped me and i was launched fractured my wrist, and ended up on crutches for the rest of my tour. and i just got off crutches three days before that special. i didn t think i was going to be able to tape it. did you see that person in the airport. i mean. truly. hurt too. we talked about your professional collaboration with stephanie. you codirected the movie am i okay starring dakota johnson. tell us about that. it is a movie that was written by our friend lauren ponerantz who is outrageous such a great writer. and it s a later in life coming out story. dakota plays i think a 32-year- old. it s not like a grandmother is coming out. but she should if she wants to. but, yeah, it s just a story about friendship but also coming out, and basically you should be who you are at any age and do what you want to do, and it s really such a beautiful performance by dakota. i really think and know we just screened it the other night, the audience went nuts for it. it is so funny. it is so touching, and there s some silly parts in it, too. but, yeah, it s, i think it s really good. don t go anywhere. we have a second hour of morning joe weekend right after the break. rning joe weekend ri the break. all eyes on me a brand new trip is what they see. on my feet brand new whip is what they see. whip is what they see. . jeep there s only one. during the jeep make this the summer event get 2000 bonus. 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york. nobody s ever seen because dinner was rigged. the election was rigged the last time. i will tell you that. i did much better than i did in 2016. millions more votes but a lot of bad things happen. he used covid to cheat. impeachment hoax number one. everything is a hoax. meanwhile everything is a hoax the former president spoke to dr. phil about wanting to take the stand at his trial and how sometimes revenge can be justified. i have a lot of lawyers that are friends. i had probably 25 goes over the course of a couple months say whatever you do don t testify because you will say something just a little bit off and you will be indicted for lying or perjury. these are evil people. these are sick, evil people. i think you have so much to do, you don t have time to get even. you only have time to get right? well revenge it does take time. i will say that. and sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest. sometimes it can? revenge does take time. revenge can be justified. susan glasser, this gets at what you re writing about in the new yorker. this idea that donald trump, everything, everything is about him and you show up at a rally and all you hear about are the injustices committed against him in the world and how he s a martyr and a victim and everything else. you never hear him talking about how he will make people s lives better, which is what presidential campaigns used to be about. that s right. if you go back and look, this is a significant escalation and radicalization of trump around himself in a way that is quite different from his 2016 or even his 2020 campaigns. the other part of the agenda has diminished and the all about trump part of the agenda has taken over fully. and to the point about contrast with president biden. barry struck that at a moment when biden makes a clear focus on his efforts to combat what s happening in the world, you have trump repeatedly saying in recent days that he essentially doesn t care that much about russia and china. they are not such a big problem pick the biggest problem is the enemy within. this is emerging as a real theme for trump s campaign and he proposes to do something about it. you saw that amazing clip with dr. phil. even sympathetic interviewers these days try to get trump to say it s not about revenge and he won t buy it because it is about revenge. again and again and again trump is telling us very clearly. i guess my question is, are people really listening to what he is saying? is different than what he said before. the biden campaign says people will start listening and to this point they have largely tuned out trump. the trial has come and gone and he will be out there with more high profile settings and name with the debate and it can t be stressed enough how much the biden campaign is betting on that debate to change the trajectory of the race believing americans were here trump talk about things like revenge and how it s justified and be repelled by it. my question to you is is the bet right? do we think the biden campaign this is been aesthetic race to this point and we ve seen a little moment here and there including after the verdict for the most part we can say it s close but trump has had narrow but consistent leads in most of the battleground states. do we think this argument here, this dangerous argument on revenge will change their minds? two great things happen as a result of the trial. one was the guilty verdict and this has put trump on a path that this is all he could talk about never hear the words inflation from his mouth. you don t hear the words immigration or crime or any of the talking points he would usually use. he is consumed with this now and even now we are a week or eight days of the trial and this is all he could talk about. this is not what voters want to hear. i don t think any voter will say i ve yet to see the numbers in the polls. i see things about immigration in the polls and democracy but i don t see revenge as an issue any voter has said is a key issue. the more donald talks about that, the better it is for biden. jean robinson, the story i don t know. it s a snapshot of our time and where we are right now that bends your mind. i ll read it to you. two officers who defended the capitol on january 6 were booed by pennsylvania republicans this week pick this happened as former capitol police officer harry dunn and former sergeant aquilino gonell, two officers that help to protect the capitol on january 6 and prevent the overturning of the 2020 election visited the pennsylvania state house as part of a cross-country tour to discuss the threat they say donald trump poses to the country. we are told some republican members not only booed them but turned their backs on the officers and even walked out. this comes as they have been on the campaign trail in key battleground states in an effort to get president biden re-elected. this is the upside down world we are living in right now where police officers, think back the blue and support the police and all that stuff, who stood in the doorway defending democracy and turned back a group of people who were led to the capitol by ally committed violence in the capitol, try to overturn our system of democracy, those officers are now being booed by republicans. it is unbelievable. one of those officers was injured, a real injury to his foot defending the capitol. the other was showered with racist abuse and, of course, physically threatened and endangered defending the capitol , defending our members of congress. trying to do their duty in the citadel of our democracy and they get booed. look, one of our two major political parties has completely lost its mind and that s largely because of donald trump. and it is not just the senators and the representatives who are out there with incendiary and inflammatory rhetoric, but at the local level it s the rot, the craziness is even deeper and, in a sense, a more worrisome because if you look state republican parties, there are fanatical, sort of, unhinged people who are becoming not just a significant faction and those parties but in control of republican parties in our major states. this is a political emergency that we are going to be dealing with, i think, for a while because even if donald trump is defeated this november, all this , sort of, insanity in the republican party across the country doesn t immediately go away. this will be with us. this is a small group of republican lawmakers in pennsylvania, sure, but it s representative of something else, is it not? the crime committed by these two police officers, in the eyes of the people blowing them , are that they are crossing donald trump and they are speaking the truth about donald trump and the truth about what they saw with their own eyes on january 6. you know, in the last 24 hours if need a contrast i don t think you could find anything more stony than if you follow the news on the one hand biden at normandy giving a speech and seeing the faces of those heroes, 98, 99, 100-year- old man from the greatest generation and you feel that greatness. and then you listen to donald trump doing an interview yesterday and hearing him talk about what s wrong with this country and the hate and the venom and the self obsession and the vengeance and the revenge. and then you hear local republican lawmakers booing january 6 policeman and turning the back to them. one party is about darkness and grievance and negativity and self-loathing. and the other party is and will be throughout this campaign about positivity and i think there s about contrast there. next, homeland security secretary alejandra mallorca s response to president biden s executive order about the southern border. known as a loving parent. known for lessons that matter. known for being a free spirit. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer, fda-approved for 17 types of cancer. 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democrats, but explain how this works. what happens as this executive order goes into effect? what happens to the excessive number of migrants trying to make a cross over the border. good morning and thank you for having me. the goal here is to reduce the number of people who come to the southern border of the united states and cross illegally. our goal is to drive people who seek and need humanitarian relief into the lawful, safe and orderly pathways that we have built. individuals who arrive at our border and cross illegally will be barred from asylum, with exceptions. however, 1400 people who have made appointments through our cbp one app will be able to seek asylum in the united states through our ports of entry. individuals who have access our parole program for cubans, haitians, nicaraguans and venezuelans will be able to access assignment relief in the united states we have built an unprecedented number of lawful pathways, but we are going to secure our border and reduce the number of people who are encountered at its. mr. secretary, good morning. i think the question for a lot of people and not just conservatives, is what took so long to get to this place? we can go well before the legislation, that group of senators work hard to present and then republicans and the congress turned their backs on it on the instruction of donald trump. but going back even further than that, a system that allows people to show up at the border, claim asylum, sometimes legitimately and sometimes not, and move into the country because they know it will take years for the asylum hearing to come up, why did it take so long to get to this place which does seem rational to many people? well, two points. first of all, you have ceased accurately upon the fundamental problem with our asylum system that it takes years and years and we need congress to fix it. only congress can provide the enduring solution, which is legislation. but that s let s take a look at the chronology. on day one of his administration, the president presented congress with a comprehensive legislation to fix our broken immigration system. since then and up until may of last year, we have been operating under the public health order of title 42. when that order was lifted in may of last year, we drove the numbers down, despite some predictions that pandemonium would ensue. shortly thereafter, the president implored congress to fund this department and other departments that administer our immigration laws as we need to be resourced. he, in august, submitted a supplemental funding package. and then again in october he submits another supplemental funding package. and neither was picked up by congress most regrettably and most importantly . we then went into an arduous, hard-working process to develop bipartisan, senate legislation that would have fundamentally fixed our asylum system. and once and for all properly resourced this department and the department of justice and state. twice congress failed to pass that legislation and so the president took this executive action within his lawful authority. mr. secretary, good morning. you outlined the domestic political challenges with what s happening at the border but the united states is not alone in this. is also mexico and they just had a new election. can you tell us the relationship and the guidelines you will use as your approach with the new administration there. are you hopeful they will cooperate? we have built a very strong and productive partnership with mexico, with the president, we expect that strong and productive partnership to continue under the presidency of claudia sheinbaum . and this challenge of migration is a regional challenge and it requires regional solutions, not just in partnership with mexico, but in partnership with other countries such as costa rica, panama, colombia, guatemala, ecuador, and the like. we are experiencing not just at the southern border but the rudder hemisphere and around the world an unprecedented level of migration, an unprecedented number of displaced people and regional challenges require regional solutions. homeland security secretary alejandra mallorca s, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break . oncern me? because you re.the. aren t you the..? huh.we never actually discussed hierarchy. ok, why don t we just stick to letting dave know how much he can save when he bundles his home or auto with his boat or rv. wait, i thought jamie was the boss. 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she said you been faced with so much adversity and persecution for years, what is your relationship with god like and how do you pray? that s sharon from alabama. i think it s good. i do very well with the evangelicals. i love the evangelicals. and i have more people saying they pray for me. i can t even believe it and they are so committed and so believing. they say, sir, you re going to be okay. i pray for you every night. i mean, everybody. i can t say everybody but almost everybody that sees me, they say, it s such a beautiful thing you know what s a beautiful thing too? when you look at all this bad stuff going on, they have nothing to look up to. they have no god. they have no anything. they kill people. bb-8 people. they push people into subways. there s just nothing there. religion is such a great thing. it keeps you you know, there s something to be good about. you want to be good. it so important. i don t know if it s explained right or if i m explaining it right but when you have something like that, you want to be good. you want to go to heaven, okay? you want to go to heaven. if you don t have heaven you almost say, what s the reason? why do we have to be good? let s not be good. what difference does it make? really, i don t know what to say. religion is a good thing, it was his reaction. he was asked, what is your relationship with god? he said, i do good with evangelicals. asked about his prayer life, he says, people come to me and say, sir, i pray for you every night. proving an extraordinary ability to sound clueless after all these years on the most basic questions of faith. and what is your relationship with god and talk about your prayer life, are two of the most basic questions. joining us now, nbc news national affairs analyst and partner in chief political columnist at hawk. i know he and his former partner, mark halperin, also asked donald trump questions about faith in 2016. new testament or old testament? and his answer was both. what is your favorite bible verse? what your favorite bible verse? oh, i don t want to talk. and david brody at cbn asked him if god has forgiven them and he said, well, i don t pray to god for forgiveness. there is no reason for me to be forgiven. this is a man, of course, who is claiming massive support because he s getting it among self-described evangelicals, john. please explain that to us all. thank you for comparing me with one of the great mysteries of life and modern politics. look. you had that took earlier today and i do think the change that took place that you pointed to in the religious right went from essentially the political people kind of guiding the movement and taking it to a new place to where it has become more recently, which is the religious people kind of took over in some sense the conservative movement and they started to channel their desires through political instruments. trump became for a lot of people in the antiabortion movement and more broadly on the values right, trump became a totally instrument to advance their causes and i think it s one of the most cynical things i ve seen in politics. think about people talking about true believers and talk about the faithful being single issue voters are blinded by their beliefs and ideologically driven extremists. in a lot of ways they became more instrumental than almost any faction in american politics. they look to trump and said we know he s not a christian. we know he doesn t believe anything he says, but this guy is her ticket to getting done what we want to get done. overturning roe v wade is one thing but across the board he became the tool by which they could achieve things they had long wanted to achieve and had been able to achieve and they turned out to be right about that but they meet a very deep, very cynical deal with the devil and i don t mean to call trump the devil here but it deal they said, you know, the man s not one of us but who cares. he will win and will get it done and will do what we tell him to. but they were making that bargain even before donald trump with paul wyrick and jerry falwell and richard saying, what we will do is we re going to actually turn abortion does not only into a key political issue for evangelicals but we will turn it into a religious issue. so you have a southern baptist church coming from pro-choice to pro-life. the southern baptist church, and other mainstream protestant denominations going from being pro-choice, or quite on the issue to pro-life. that s one step. but it moves forward now to where it becomes the most important issue. these political issues become the most important political issues. so if you talk to people of faith, like russell moore, and others, they would tell you pete wayne, they would tell you the so-called deal with the devil was the deal evangelical leaders made some time ago when they decided to replace spiritual goals with secular goals. we are not going to fight the spiritual battles and try to win people. that s not going to be our primary focus for a lot of these evangelical leaders we hear with a national audience. their primary focus is going to be on the secular, whether that s gaining and keeping political power or telling adherents how to become rich, the so-called prosperity gospel , which, again, both of those are completely opposite of what jesus preached about over three years. and i will say the only place, to put a fine point on it here i don t think the christian right thought that ronald reagan was a spiritual vandal. i think they thought he was one of them. i think they thought george w. bush was genuinely born again. i think they thought that mitt romney took a spiritual life spiritual seriously. even though the demands of faith and to some extent go to politics prior to donald trump, donald trump is the most gratuitous, extreme outgrowth of the thing you re talking about where they basically look at a guy and collectively that these are not stupid people in this movement. there are some stupid people everywhere, but there was a calculated thing for the christian right look to trump and knew full well that he was not one of them did not believe the same things they believed. did not go to church. was probably, privately, pro- choice. was someone who would done all kinds of things, someone heard about in this trial over the last seven or eight weeks, all kinds of things they would find morally depraved and unacceptable and simple and he made no real effort to try to even pretend to be one of them when he would answer these questions. and yet they said, we don t care because this is a winning ticket for us. with him under our thumb, we will be able to get that supreme court majority we have so wanted. and as i said before, they got it. and we elected a president, not a saint. look the other way on a lot of stuff so they get what they want. people asked me where can i get more and today we have an answer. the impolitic podcast. watch today and tell us about it. i ve had this podcast for a few years that i put into the deep freeze. i was like han solo, frozen and podcast amber for about a year and when i moved we decided to relaunch it under this new title. it s the same name as the column. it s not only been relaunched as of this morning, talking about the trump trial with andrew wiseman but it has expanded to twice a week rather than once a week. like new york, a town so nice they named it twice, this will happen every tuesday and friday morning. puck and odyssey together. check it out. next, the so-called double haters who aren t into either candidate. we look at how they respond to donald trump s guilty verdict. a, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it s like the feeling of finding you re so ready for your close-up. or finding you don t have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don t take if you re allergic to 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yeah. i think you benefited from his stature and did not abide by the gag order. most people what be nailed with fines and things like that but he s going to bite on that so i think he was absolutely treated fairly, if not better than most people during the trial. i do trust the legal system enough that if the prosecution and defense were able to pick jurors and they presented it so quickly and the jurors and the judge all agree to follow due process and found him guilty quickly, i have a hard time believing that there were that many jurors agreed upon that were all in on it. he s not guilty but we will find him guilty for?. the thought that donald trump was given a fair trial. none of those people said, in that focus group, that it was going to impact their vote. that said, polling of undecideds in georgia and north carolina showed that actually quite a few did believe it would have an impact on their vote. let s bring in the host of majority rules in the undecideds and founder of all in together, lauren leader. i m looking at the top line on the polling that you all took 78% believe the verdict was the right verdict. 21% thought it was the wrong verdict. and this is the difference in voting with the threat of prison hanging over donald trump . a very large difference, 12%. large difference, 50%, moderate difference, 23%. and that adds up to over 50%. over 50% of these so-called double haters said it could have an impact on their vote, but overwhelmingly almost all of them believed donald trump got a fair trial. yeah. and that was what was so fascinating, especially listening to the conversation. first of all, there was so nuanced and thoughtful about the responses and i want to say this is so far the only swing state poll that s been done since the verdict and it s going to matter a lot because the swing states will decide the election and undecided voters will be a huge factor in the decisions of the election. what struck me was that incredible contrast between this competence in the legal system the jury was fair and the trial was fair and trump was treated fairly said they did not buy any of the trump claims the whole thing was rigged and unfair to him. they did not buy that at all. and yet they also felt it was politically motivated. the trial was brought this year because of the election. that it wasn t an important enough issue to have been brought. a number of them talked about the documents case in florida, the classified documents as being more important and did not understand why this was brought this year. i will also say they did not understand the charges but they could not articulate what it was they he was convicted of. that s why fascinating about this dynamic and we see this in national polls, as well. americans are saying it doesn t matter are there have been some polls saying it doesn t matter. that he was treated fairly. the verdict was fair and yet somehow he still going to win and it doesn t matter that he is a felon, and i think that s going to be a hard circle for the biden campaign to square over the next few months. we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break. salonpas, it s good medicine. hi, i m eileen. i live in vancouver, washington and i write mystery novels. as i was writing, i found that i just wasn t sharp and that doesn t work when you re writing a mystery and i knew i needed to do something so i started taking prevagen. i realized that i was much more clear, much sharper. i was remembering the details that i was supposed to. prevagen keeps my brain working right. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. my fear of recurrence could ve held me back. but i m staying focused. and doing more to prevent recurrence. verzenio is specifically for hr-positive, her2-negative, node-positive early breast cancer with a high chance of returning, as determined by your doctor when added to hormone therapy. verzenio reduces the risk of recurrence versus hormone therapy alone. diarrhea is common, may be severe, or cause dehydration or infection. at the first sign, call your doctor, start an antidiarrheal, and drink fluids. before taking verzenio, tell your doctor about any fever, chills, or other signs of infection. verzenio may cause low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infection that can lead to death. life-threatening lung inflammation can occur. tell your doctor about any new or worsening trouble breathing, cough, or chest pain. serious liver problems can happen. symptoms include fatigue, appetite loss, stomach pain, and bleeding or bruising. blood clots that can lead to death have occurred. tell your doctor if you have pain or swelling in your arms or legs, shortness of breath, chest pain and rapid breathing or heart rate, or if you are nursing, pregnant, or plan to be. i m focusing on what counts. talk to your doctor about reducing your risk. 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well, we definitely felt hope and optimism because that was what jake sullivan was relaying to us and there was the feeling that there is this full-court press of enough is enough. we want to get these people home, all 124. and of course the american eight is something that hangs on everyone in the administration and the entire american government and he felt confident that the right people were going back to the region. we know that brett mcgurk and director bill burns were, shortly after the conversation, already on their way back to the region, which was hopeful for all of us. at the end of the day though, we know that whether you had these extremely seasoned negotiators, diplomats, experts, aides, doing all that they are doing, the final outcome is going to come from two men only deciding and that, i think, is what is so painfully torturous about this. jon, today marks eight months since october 7 since hersh was abducted. when you sit in that meeting with jake sullivan and speak as you have been for eight months to officials inside the u.s. government, what did they say today about the best hope to get the hostages? is it a deal? is it a rescue mission? what sounds most promising to you and to the people trying to pull this off? yeah. the good news is the focus in that is everybody believes the best possible way to do this is through a deal. the bad news is we been hearing that for most of the last eight months, and as you know, we are not there yet. i think what president biden did last friday night was brave and courageous and we applaud him. he took a negotiation that was stuck in neutral, maybe even sometimes in rivers and in one fell swoop it s like you pushed into third gear. now we need to keep the momentum going. and as rachel said, there are all the right people in the region. we need to push on the leaders of israel and the leaders of hamas, and have them buy in to what the mediators are pushing. it s a deal that has to get done because the israeli people are suffering. our hostages are suffering. innocent gazan civilians are suffering and eight months is eight months too many picks payment rachel, you ve been through many of these meetings now with american officials and you ve been through a lot of ups and downs , how are you and jon managing to temper your own emotions and exhaustion, your sleep, your food when faced now with another prospect that may be there is reason to be a little bit more optimistic given this latest push? well, every morning we get up and we look at each other and say, hope is mandatory and we try our very best to struggle through another day of elegant, intense torment. and it is absolutely not easy. we are broken and suffering, and yet we have no choice. there is no choice but to keep it running . and were not just running, we are sprinting. this is what all the hostage families are doing. we just have no choice but to keep full speed ahead trying every thing we can possibly do. and we are praying that the leaders of both sides, for their own personal interests the not going to come together because they both suddenly have an epiphany moment and feel they should be on the same page, but that s part of compromise. you give up something that you hold dear for something you hold more deer. so whatever interests are on the israeli side or the hamas side need to just lean forward and with the help of these expert negotiators and seasoned diplomats who are in there trying to grease the wheels, we are praying that we get a result. everyone in this region, i can t even call it suffering, it s the next step above suffering, and we need for the leaders to put an end to it. jon, one of those leaders, prime minister benjamin netanyahu has said he will come to washington and address congress on july 24. what do you make of that invitation and what do you hope to hear from him that day? july 24, to us, feels like an eternity away. we are obviously hoping that but july 24 all the hostages are back home. the region is on a path forward , and i would be thrilled if prime minister netanyahu can show up and give a variation of a victory speech. i want nothing more than that. and by the way, i m also okay with the other side giving his people a victory speech if that s what it takes to get this done. let s get it done. a lot can happen between now and july 24 and we are hopeful. next, new documentary sheds light on one couple s emotional and enduring mission to combat als. with us. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with all the money i saved i thought i d buy stilts. being so tall definitely has its advantages. oh whoa. here you go, kiddo. thanks. hi honey ready to go? yup. there it is, there it is. ahhh.here we go. i guess it also has some disadvantages. yes it does. only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty, liberty. nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. her uncle s unhappy. i m sensing an iunderlying issue.em it s t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit. unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock.” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it s not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. if you want to defeat als, you need everyone working together. they took this extraordinary challenge and said, we will go out and make things happen. if are able to untangle als, we may be able to help others. i am and all of brian wallach. he wants to get back and take care of the next person that gets diagnosed . i never experienced a movement like this. it s changing history in front of our eyes. brian s als has accelerated a lot. we feel like we are running out of time. hey, organa do this. as always beneway. this could actually work. i don t think there s any test of the human spirit more telling than someone saying you don t have a long time to live and responding in this way. i am als! i am als! that is a look at the powerful new documentary, for love and life: no ordinary campaign picked up from paula brian wallach, diagnosed with als in 2017 and his wife, sandra abrevaya, two former obama administration officials who have used their expertise and knowledge of washington to secure funding for als research and improve to prove other families living with the disease that there is hope. sandra joins us now and is the cofounder of i am als, also with it is the director and producer of for love and life: no ordinary campaign, christopher burke. great to see you both. thank you for having us . can we start with some background? i gather you know each other? just a little bit. i m trying not to cry right now, honestly, because i ve known you so long. and i m so proud to know you and brian. and what you ve done is remarkable. i mean, you ve really brought this to life for people who weren t tracking with this disease was, he did not know they had a voice or power to have a voice. and before i get more emotional, you both had done so much before brian was diagnosed as public servants contributing to electing barack obama, but this is your greatest legacy, which is remarkable. you just want to ask for people watching out there who think maybe they have als or another disease or maybe they feel their voice isn t heard and they can t make a difference, what would you tell them about what they should do? so many people feel powerless and you have shown that you are empowered and you can be powerful. absolutely. and with these neurodegenerative diseases, whether it s als or parkinson s or ms, these diseases affect the way you speak or move so these are difficult diseases to live a public life with. oftentimes, that you have an illness. so people, they turn inward. that is the instinct. that is what brian and i are b trying to encourage people to fight against because when they do come forward, their voices are so powerful and having been in government and advocacy for so long prior to our diagnosis, i mean, our whole job for so e many years was to elevate people who were affected by policy. when that happened to us, we knew that even if we were just one voice, even if you are just one voice, being public, if you have one of these illnesses, ve can have such an impact.
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rachel: i saw a video on x of these guys going out to do that kind of stuff on the top of the skyscrapers and underneath it said chicks don t like to do that kind of work. it s really dangerous work out there that men, mostly men do, to build bridges and buildings. will: the sign of a economy. one of the ways to count how the economy is doing is counting the number of cranes in the skyline. i don t know what new york s mean or average is compared to history. but nashville is full of cranes. pete: there s a lot of little skinny tall buildings going up all over new york. it s incredible. it s also very masculine to wear makeup and sit on a couch. will: i m not letting you defy yourself. i ve been in a tail spin all week long. pete: why? will: and i ve been in the gym. because it was revealed to me this week on the will cain show that you are warming up with 225 and i mean, i know you re fit but this is a whole nother level. it s really throwing me off. then i see jesse on the five and like he s in shape. look at that . and i m two months away from having to the do the navy seals spread. it absolutely worries me. rachel: do muscles weigh you down? pete: yeah, they make me sink. will: his lack of character weighed hip down, he s not doing it. pete: i know where will is right now. staring two months out with an intense physical fitness event with studs and feeling unprepared and not feeling good and all in your own head. will: and i find out you re benching house. pete: i was taking a yeah. one of his producers happened to be in the just a minute at the same time. rachel: do you work out here? pete: i was on the never ending pete hegseth book promotion tour. one of his producers was down there, and he letted the group chat know how much. rachel: sounds like pete said let everyone know i m 275. pete: couldn t plant it or script it better. rachel: i love it. pete: you ll be all right, will. you ll be all right. will: i m sore this morning. i was in the gym yesterday. pete: he s a rich guy and cofounder of craft ventures and cohost of all in podcast and name is david sacks. he s a big donor or has been to a lot of different causes and not clear which way he d go and he was on with larry kudlow and kind of reveal where had his support was going and why. take a look. there s no comparison of the cognitive abilities of these two men and what we saw last night is a fundraiser for president trump and he was very sharp, on the ball and stayed for something like four hours and talked to everybody and the whole crowd and everybody loved him and at the same time you saw biden at that d-day event and looked like he couldn t keep up with whatever he was doing. there s no question on which of the men are more cognitive and with it. will: founder of paypal tied in with peter musk and peter teale and cohosted by someone from cnbc and tech venture capitalist with sacks and it represents a shift and had a fundraiser which trump atten attended and even ar shift among those and going for the left and talking about later in the program and guys like russell brand. rachel: talk ago bit about russell brand and he s an interesting figure in the whole wave of people during covid they were expecting protesters and going in san francisco and not that there are people that hate tram nap san francisco and de-moralizing enough and they re not willing to go out and unless they re paid by george soros to go out and protest trump. you know what, i m worried about the grocery store and worried that rents are bad and crime is bad in san francisco and i m no- pete: there s no energy, rachel, to your point and no air in the balloon on the biden side, which means they ve got to fire up the machine. all the enthusiasm is for that man right there. rachel: l lawfare was also mentioned and coordinated attack and using the laws and using the courts and weapon sizing against a political opponent and sent shock waves not through just trump supporters but people like this also abroad. the headline on another topic is double cro crossed and bill meln was on the double line saying last weekend we did all the coverage of the new executive order of joe biden is something he said he didn t have enough power pomoxus execute and did it capping at 2500, you know, illegals and people are going to shot the door on the shut the door on the border and going to bed for the night and that s not happening and maybe it s an x and cbp from bill melugin on the border and 1300 apprehended by the border patrol and in san diego yesterday and late yesterday afternoon and going to america. egypt. egypt. reporter: all from egypt? yeah. reporter: group of friends and you want a job? america good. america good. america good. vietnam. reporter: all from china? yeah. reporter: why d you come to america? for free. reporter: to be free? yes. rachel: my favorite footage was from a couple weeks ago and interviewing people coming across the border and there s turkish guys and they re like i m okay but you don t know who all these people are and even the people crossing illegally were like what the heck is going on? this is not safe and we have seen really shady people alodge the journey and you have no idea who s coming into the country. they passed an executive action and media tour and bill melugin isen o the ground and like the border patrol guy and bill melugin is by himself essentially covering what s happening on the border and in the u.s.. will: egypt, vietnam, and more. pete: get in a time machine and travel three years from 9/11 and have folks from afghanistan and pakistan and iran and egypt pouring across the boarder and hand them a piece of paper and say meet up with us in a couple of years. will: it s a far cry. rachel: but it s a joke in the sense that think about how much money, i mean, billions of dollars poured into the salaries and buildings for homeland security . why even have homeland security when this is happening? it s a joke. it s a joke. pete: should shut down the entire department and move to the southern board fertilizer they really care, but they don t. rachel: you have to care about this situation in you care about homeland security and they re aiding and abedding it and enabling abetting it and enabling it and want it to happen. homeland security is a joke in america like that turkish man was laughing. that footage should be played every single day. will: make you aware of a law new york is working on and a milestone ban on social media feeds for children and addictive social media feeds with a step in the right direction. stop addictive feeds exploitation act or safe, it requires them to verify user age and give kids consent for alga rhythmic feed and have to have anyone acknowledged and parental consent if you re under the age limitation in order to get the alga rhythmic feed. kids without consent to view this addictive alga rhythmic feed can see social media content but flo flowing in a chronological time line of posts and anyone on x can know the difference between those two forms. rachel: explain that because maybe some people don t understand how that alga rhythmic works. will: on x it is the chronological feed and for you this is the is algorithm and sits this and watches what you ll interact with and what you ve li liked and reposted ani know, i know they can track your eyes, all of them, instagram, like how long your eyes linger on the timing thing and arkansas and they ll feed you more of content like that. it s just watching your behavior and listening to you and watching you. giving you more of what you like based on how much you engage with it. when i say best, most honed alga rhythmic format to feed you more of what you re suggesting you p. pete: last part of the bill is parents get ability to pause notifications on social media account near midnight and this is no substitute for parents. pete: you re not going to legislate your way out of stopping kids from staring at their phones. they ll find a way into something. rachel: i will be honest and i was one of the libertarianish peoples and i changed my view on how i look at any kind of regulation that has to do with children and families and i literally look at it and will it help the family? i don t care if it fits into an ideological box or not. i think i m 100% agree and there s no substitute appearance, pete, we re no we can t fight this by ours as parents. we don t stand a chance of expanding in and going to france and going to register for the age and parental consent and going to view the character and you can make sure to undergo that. pete: studies show that when you ask for an age verification, you have to verify who you are for pornography sites and usage go down 90%. most people don t want to admit who goes to that site and it goes down and filtered away. will: see the amazon tribe got star link? pete: didn t get me into click bait. will: they were on porn in ten minutes. rachel: average age of kids that use porn is 10 years old. not good. will: the harm of social media on kids and teens. data shows children on screens more than three and a half hour as day are more likely to develop serious mental health problems and so it s critically important that parents set limits for kids and look at what they re viewing. algorithms target kids and send messages to kids about different topics whatever they re gearing it towards and suck these kids in by sending these repeated algorithms. when our kids are not in their natural has been dat being outdoors with other kids and having the ball taken away and they re not developing critical skills they ll need as a transition into teenagers and adulthood. social skills and communication skills. rachel: at 9:50 eastern we have backyard camping ideas and more to keep your kids off the screens. pete: i like it. now to a fox news alert, idf announcing four israeli hostages have been rescued after a raid in central gaza earlier today. rachel: wow. pete: great news. they re all alive and currently recovering at hospitals after being kidnapped for 246 days. all four were ab ducked during the assault on abducted during the nova music festival on october 7 and one of the hostages reuniting with her father at the hospital. hamas still has around 120 hostages. that must feel like a miracle. kia recalling over 460,000 telluride, suvs over a fire ha czar concerns and i should finish my seasonses. national highway traffic safety administration reporting the power seat motor in the suv may overheat due to a stuck slide knob. this could potentially lead to a fire when the car is parked or in drive. the recall affecting models made from 2020-2024 and kia urging telluride owners outside or away from structures in case it lights itself on fire. several congressmen making a commemorative parachute jump over normandy to mark the 80th anniversary of d day skin colludes several military vets s in colluding michael wallz and cory miles and all of them landed on the ground safely. those are your headlines. some of the photos and video of those guys in the world war ii era aircraft is pretty cool. will: i said b52s earlier and i was wrong. people corrected me. the b52 didn t come in till the 50s but a lot of bombers dropping para troopers. janice dean coming up with the preview of the 156 running of the belmont stakes. pete: tim kent did something interesting and unique in normandy and hall of fame pitcher john shmaltz still ahead. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog s food to the farmer s dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there s no magic involved. 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we can t recruit into ranks of the military and looked foolish on the world stage and tornado leaders didn t like what foreign leaders didn t like what they re talking about and pete: a live report on the legacy coming up next. and i saved hundreds. with all the money i saved i thought i d buy stilts. being so tall definitely has its advantages. oh whoa. here you go, kiddo. thanks. hi honey ready to go? yup. there it is, there it is. ahhh.here we go. i guess it also has some disadvantages. yes it does. only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty, liberty. i was on a work trip when the pulmonary embolism happened. but because i have 23andme, i was aware of that gene. that saved my life. e pete: apollo 8 took this famous earth rise photo died in a plane crash yesterday. rachel: william anders was piloting the plane alone when it crashed near the san juan islands and his family confirming the news saying they re devastated. will: madeleine rivera joining us with the latest. good morning, guys. districts pouring in for william anders and the plane crash in the waters of seattle friday and the coast guard said the washington department of fish and wildlife team recover the pilot s body after a search that spanned several hours and faa saying it was a vintage t34 mentor and graduated in the naval economy in 1955 and served in the air force in 1963 and third group of astronauts beating thousands of astronauts and it was the first group of humans to orbit the moon and he took that iconic photo. in 1968 during al poll low 8 apollo 8, bill arounds offered the deepest of gifts for an as mott and traveled to the threshold of the moon and helped us all see ourselves. he embodied the lessons and more. the faa is investigating the crash. will and rachel. will: thank you, madelynn. a tanker truck carrying diesel fuel caught fire yesterday in the dallas suburb forcing them to evacuate and noticing smoke from the engine and stopped at intersection. she escaped and the whole truck went up in flames and is not hurt. he has dents can return to the area to put out the blaze in two hours. three officers involved in last month s arrest of pro golfer scottie scheffler violated policy by not turning on body cameras when they arrested hip. documents show louisville metro brian gill suffered scrapes and burns to his knee. charges have been dropped. the san antonio bramas squared off against the battle hawks tomorrow night at 7:00. winner of each game onto the ufl championship game ever. and those are your headlines. pete: all right. it s a huge saturday of sports on fox as well. will: we have two star-studded baseball game withs hall of famer john shmoltz here to break it down. rachel: and we have janice dean live at the race. introducing the g2 edge. the same #1 selling gel ink pen in america. now with an innovative laser etched design, cushioned comfort grip, and durable tungsten carbide tip. whatever your mission, give yourself the edge. rsv is out there. for those 60 years and older protect against rsv with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. i chose arexvy. rsv? 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(vo) when life s doors open, we ll handle the house. will: we are joined by the man who will be on the call in yankee stadium tonight, fox sports lead, major league baseball analyst and hall of fame pitcher john smoltz. great to see you. yeah, it s buzzing in the town again. will: yeah, it a big, big matchup and yankees and dodgers, two of the best in baseball but history. they re two iconic teams. they really are. there s a lot of pressure on new york to get back to world series and been a million of them and dodgers got to them a million years ago and star power on the team and always nice with a big matchup. regular season it s hard to get this keened of buildup for a regular season game but these two team haves done it. pete: are these two team withs great pitchers as well? yeah, they basically last night, you ll not probably see a game like that wean the two teams and the offense is really good. the game that we an it pate is a 7-6, 6-5 and i love pitchers matchup and as a former pitcher and they silenced both offenses that are humming right now. will: two of the best hitters and stars in the game and aaron judge and shohei ohtani and take a look at where they are right now on base percentage. yeah and yankees resigned judge and he s one of my favorite players to watch and not seeing 6 8 athleticism in baseball and when the yankees got juan sotteau and it really is set up for the yankees to be the team to beat in the american league. the record shows it right now, but i think the dodger haves been a lot in the offseason to kind of stamp their mark on the national league. pete: a as a player in the middle of a long season, do you point to a series saying that s going to have more of a playoff feel and matters a bit more in yeah, there s 162 games and might be hard to emulate what you ll see later on and it s over there it s very polite and they handout the ball over and don t know what to do with the ball. it s an expansion of the game and the greatness of it. it s a it s one of the oldest in all of baseball and st. louis and san francisco having that honor of the legacy and i would say this, for those that love baseball, if you get a chance to go to kansas city, go to the negro league hall of fame and it s mind blowing and i ve learned so much and it s going to be a fun experience of the broadcaster and take a little moment in time and take away from the regular season kind of mundane and honor some great players. will: that s a little later this month and two big games on fox and, rachel, over to you. rachel: rest of fox super satar is happening first and 2024 belmont stakes is happening tonight and one of the race favorites is seize the gray who has more than 2,000 owners. how is that possible? janice jean is live from saratoga springs with ceo and founder of my racehorse, michael barron and part owner of seize the gray, amanda stebbes. s. reporter: nicely done, rachel. michael, how did this happen where thousands of people can be a part owner of a horse? i wanted to get involved in ownership but it s really expensive. i had an idea to build an app and get together a bunch of people that throw in a few hundred bucks and compete and buy a racehorse and we launch it had in and people love it and that s how it all began. i walked over and as a fan boy and said what do you think about training for us and i love what you do and would like you to get involved. reporter: what do you see at the barn with seize the x-ray. the owners of this horse, talk about them. which one of the 2,740 do you mean or are referring to? reporter: my racehorse.com is a thing to own a piece of a horse and it s not that much money. not at all. lets everybody get in and can brag to their neighbors. reporter: i love that wayne lucas is on board with this and it s a game changer and tell me what it s like to own a piece of history. it s fantastic and i joined my racehorse in 2020 with authentic and thought it was amazing and amazing experience and family and i got in to seize the gray when he was a yearling and it was an amazing fantastic whirlwind array. reporter: going from a baby to a winner and i was here when he broke his maiden last year at saratoga and right on the rail and it was fantastic and i was in the winner circle and bright beautiful purple hat if you re looking for me later. after the win, the app went crazy and i check the chats and it was coming in. we love getting people involved and thousands came in after he won it and win on this stage and this race and back-to-back racing and i love it. getting more people involved in racing and ownership and it s a great way to do it and it s a blast. i would love it. reporter: congratulations, it ll be a great race. 6:41 is post time here at belmont in saratoga. back to you guys. rachel: thank you, what a great way to de-mocktize the race for de-mock ragainitize the race for everybody to get involved. more fox & friends still ahead. not highly processed pellets. the farmer s dog is fresh food made with whole meat and veggies. it s not dry food. it s not wet food. it s just real food. it s an idea whose time has come. if you spit blood when you brush, it could be the start of a domino effect. new parodontax active gum repair breath freshener. clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease. a new toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. oh, my leaffilter? 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class= nosel > div class= colspacer > div class= gutr > because it depends. if there is a conviction, that is something that can be appealed on the law. if there were legal mistakes that were made, if the jury was instructed improperly on the law, if evidence was kept out that was material, improperly, those kinds of things can be appealed, and it can take quite some time, and so there is recourse there, so really complicated, but let me just say thank you so much to our incredible team. it was really great to be here girding out with lawyers, and all of us having been in the courtroom. thanks so much for your perception and insight and personal stories and thank all of you for spending the last hour with us. if you can t get enough trump news, and you want to dig even deeper, try the msnbc podcast, prosecuting donald trump, hosted by mary mccord and me. have a great night. have a great night. we have never had a significant anniversary of d- day for democracy and western democracy felt is under threat and front as it does this year both in europe and at home. what do you make of donald trump s threats to jail his political opponents? we have to take donald trump at his word. i think there is nothing that will stop him from doing such things. the jury in hunter biden s trial was just dismissed for the weekend after emotional testimony from hunter s daughter. we will wait to see whether hunter biden will testify in his own defense on monday. will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. s first public campaign stop since his guilty convictions. if we don t win, this country is finished. i really believe that. i think it s finished. i refuse to believe that america s greatness is a thing of the past. at evening. once again, i am stephanie ruhle. we are hung 151 days away from the election and the contrast between the two presidential candidates cannot be more clear. this week, president biden took action to close the border then travel to france for the 80th anniversary of d-day for he stressed support for allies. donald trump, on the other hand, rallied against his guilty verdict, the judicial system then threatened to seek revenge against any possible person who has slighted him. let s bring in our night cast and discuss this. lynwood stead, cocreator of the daily show also the chief creative officer of abortion access front. host of the podcast pablo tori finds out and host of the masters of the game, and show, [ inaudible ]. when we look at this week you have president biden talking about freedom and the fight against tyranny, both 80 years ago and today, and then you have donald trump talking about how revenge is justified. talk to us about where these two campaigns are and where they appear to be headed. tyranny of the past and tyranny of the present is basically what we are talking about. where are they heading? sometimes i honestly look at these two things and i think, will this election simply come down to will trump have more dissolution people that will show up, or will biden have more disillusioned people that would show up, and that scares me because i feel like for those of us doing the work, in the streets every day, defending people s freedoms, if trump wins again, what we are facing is no dissent, and with no dissent, we can t challenge any of it. but, if he wins again, there are no surprises about who donald trump is. in 2016 you could make the argument. people don t realize who he is. remember all of these people were going no, you don t realize what you re in for. america knows exactly what they re in for. you know, there seems to be a lot of delusion. we hear a lot about the trump era was great. the trump administration was great is if covid just didn t happen and some reason that those last two years just don t count against his record. i don t remember covid but i definitely remember infrastructure week. you know, i feel like trump is the most selfish person in the world and everything comes down to how it revolves around me personally, every political issue comes back to me, myself. this woman asked him, this reporter asked him, katie from alabama wants to know what is your relationship with god and he said i do very well with the evangelicals. that is not the question you asked. and biden, to me, seems very outward, right? she s thinking about others. how can i help other people? think about the key moment of his life like losing a major chunk of his family and one horrific moment, as a relatively young man who learned empathy and to think about others and the importance of family, and this other person , who every bad characteristic we don t want our children to have, he has. o have, he has. have, he has. i think the way you said, what is the question being asked is instructive to what the biden campaign should be trying to do, which is framing this beyond even needing to pay attention to the news day at today. it s more a choice between extremism and not. i just wonder why we are not generally describing trump more as an extremist. mp like, forget about then again, let s not forget about the people on the ground doing good work. when it comes to what are we expecting out of this, do you want someone who feels like they are attacking every institution? do we need to recite the litany of felons and felonies? let s just talk about not being that. here is why i think possibly this is playing out. president biden is focusing voters on democracy and on freedom, and these are fundamentally important things. but somehow, they get viewed as something kind of lofty ideal, and trump goes straight to the gut and grievance. because people don t know what it s like to not have it. i lived in russia for 6 years. they didn t understand democracy. they didn t know what it was like not to have the possibility of being randomly arrested. but can i just go back to the beginning of the show? all that stuff in this montage, did that happen just this week? and there s 151 days, which is 21 weeks if my math is right. i wonder if i have the stamina to make it if this is one weeks worth of stuff. i really think this is going to be rather a dramatic cost again. biden is going to really have to bring home what is the e absence of democracy, which is a very tough thing. whereas, trump has only to sell, look, we can do all these things and everything can be great, and rule of law is not a significant thing people think about. trump is a great salesman for his diseased ideas, okay? biden has not yet shown himself to be a great salesman of his t ideas, what he has done, and there s a very significant and h real and honest critique of biden from the left, that he has not done enough on what is going on in gaza. and there are a lot of people who would be democrats otherwise who will not support e him because of that. i hear you. what is the conversation to wh have with that voter, about what former president trump will do with the situation in gaza? was it not nikki haley a couplei of weeks ago when she went over there and said, finish the job? what liz said about the margins is important. don t think about the potential, the imaginary hypothetical biden/trump voter. i don t think those people really exist. there s a couple, but not many. the election is going to be about, can trump get people who would say, it s either trump or a state home. and either it s biden, or i stay home. the election is going to be won on those margins. and you know, biden does have this significant issue, right? there s a meme going around right now on tiktok, you may have seen it. home of misinformation? we can talk about that later. but gun to your head, would you vote for biden or trump? and he said, the gun would go off. the meme has been shared by people who won t go for any of that. biden should be also as popular as the field, broadly. you want trump, or anybody else? we are at a point where trump is not just specifically dystopian in the ways we may remember or not, based on our experience during the pandemic. he is also just clearly against the rule of law as a concept. i think the question of democracy is, how do you make , this a tangible, scarier thing? i think talking about democracy as a concept is a little pie in the sky. democracy dying in darkness didn t really work as a slogan for the washington post. but this week, with the s remembrance of d-day, it wasn t just the stark contrast between president biden and donald trump . it was also between donald trump and ronald reagan. ronald reagan gave one of the most important speeches of his presidency in normandy. he stood against russian aggression. he stood with his nato allies. w is there a question to ask of ue all republican voters where has your party gone? because the current gop and be what donald trump represents there s almost no resemblance to ronald reagan. you saw joe biden looking almost reagan -like and referencing him while he was in france this week. i mean i m just not going to go down that path, because i m t somebody who doesn t have friends who are alive because of ronald reagan s inaction about a.i.d.s.. i think about waxing back to people who laid the foundations for this, trump didn t come to m us in a vacuum. he came to us because people laid foundations for hatred and bigotry and sexism. i feel like so when we go i don t want to go back to the party that i could recognize of ronald reagan. but i do want to say people that we are leaving out of thisv conversation are the voters. i am constantly saying to people, the election is not the end game. it s the starting game. you get the democracy you want and you get the democracy you participate in. and who do you mowant to fight? that is my whole thing. would you want to fight? you want to fight a madman, or somebody who might listen to you where you can get the meat needle moved? i don t think the race is going to be won by biden. all of our polling shows people are most concerned about inflation, they are most concerned about jobs and the co economy. democracy should be like this de wrinkles you get with the ice e cream cone. but we have a functioning democracy. you can throw your economy out the window. finish your thought. i was just going to say that if he doesn t win it on the record that he is running on, and which is a strong one. which is a pretty strong one. and a vision of the future. i don t think he wins by saying i am a democracy guy and that ha guy isn t. were talking about two different languages about the people who may vote for biden and who may vote for trump. this is not about issues at all. this is about personality. this is about who you believe. the people on the right, they talk about earth one and earth two. people on the right live on earth two, and we can sit here and go, nothing you believe is factual, right? we can go on and on about january 6th, climate change, the trial. but they are affirmed in their miss belief constantly, and they think we don t know what s real. this is why i feel like the whole felonies thing should and hopefully does cut through to a silent majority, not to a vote for reaganism inadvertently, but a silent majority of people who are like, i am in earth 1 resident, i just not that part of it. and it s like for me, a bridge too far is on we have a convicted felon surrounded by felons being, again, in the white house. i just feel like i want to simplify it down to, do you do want the felony guy, or anyone else? and donald trump wanted more than his base. wouldn t he be doing everything possible to court the nikki haley voter? he disrespected nikki haley in every possible way. yet still, she endorsed him. if he actually wanted to win, what did he say, she s my running mate, let s go for the gold? instead, it s president biden this week trying to put together a coalition to go for those voters and risking losing progressive voters in the mix. i don t know that they were so psyched about nikki haley. so i think they were just like, i don t want trump. i m not like everything about nikki haley is just awesome. people weren t saying that, you know? and so i feel like him going for that voter, we saw the numbers after iowa. was a 28% of those people said if nikki haley is not the nominee, i could possibly vote for biden? when trump doesn t go out and try to expand his base he never has. let me finish. l why does he what is even doing? i should be the sign to everybody. he s not looking at a world for you. can i do some of these i might mess up the order of your show here, but when roe was first overturned, we saw abortion rise up to the top of issues. since then, we have seen it fall down. i know the democrats are making a big deal of abortion this year. you think it s something that motivateshi voters? i don t think it s going to be democracy. i wonder if it s going to be abortion that trumps the economy, for lack of a better term, and becomes a real motivating issue. well, i am the right person to ask. only because i am you might not know this, i am on the ground all the time talking to people. and this is where democrats are actually making a mistake. i do think abortion polls better than politicians, right? and these valid initiatives that we are seeing in over a dozen states were initiated by the people. not by politicians, but by people. people who held their abortion stories to themselves for years, saw this as a time, and this is in a couple of people. you have to get 200, in florida, 900,000 validated picturesa, to get it on the ballot. the question is, will people vote for biden in the initiative? what we saw in kansas, the very first one, is that people voted overwhelmingly for their abortionwh initiative and still voted for some of the people who created the laws in the first place. so what we should carefully be looking at is, these initiatives i think are going to greatly help with senate races in places that will be surprising, congressional raises, and will people say, i m going to go foro biden, and that s a question somebody needs to answer. we could do that in the next poll. please do. the president of pretty aggressive action on immigration this week. it s been a vulnerability for him. republicans are going to say it is too little, too late. for one thing just to be clear, republicans have done nothing on immigration and have blocked doing anything legislative. this is how the republican party has shifted the overton window in their direction, right? we talked about the border. biden and the border and immigration. the immigration is not a central issue in american life. it is not the source of crime. it is not changing the economy. republicans have made at this central issue. hold on. whether it actually is an issue in daily life or not is somewhat irrelevant, because republicans have been successful in convincing they have made a stink about it when it s not as important as they want it to be. i think this is the frustration for anybody was not trump, as you are running an election, a campaign, and administration i think based on a practical execution of increasingly moderated policies, and donald trump is running on vibes. it s a vibes based campaign. and the fuss question, fundamentally why is this too polite a word for it? ancient nightmares awakened in the bloodstream that feel like they are being threatened by non-threats. i m sorry, i did a review on this. i want to see the person advising biden on immigration policy fired. i think he s behind the curve on this. he let the republicans take this to a place where it shouldn t go. from a narrative perspective, but not for me policy perspective. why couldn t he have done that months ago? right? the same exact hold on. you can argue with when he did it, but now he s doing it. what have republicans done? nothing. they have objected to a deal that was apparently done that was agreed to in the senate. they want to continue to cause the problem. there were some issues where you want to take on the lack of facts, and the misdirection had on. this issue of immigration, i think should be one that is approach with much more sympathy for people that are afraid and scared. and i think rather than head onr the immigrants who come here? people in montana who are worried about people crossing the border in mexico. could never make it to montana. and west virginia? this is what is motivating them, and i think that there was a way to address this in a way that is more understanding and less in your face. more understanding of what white people in montana think? here s why, because they vote. i don t think steve is saying, because they are hold on a second. i don t think that steve is saying that person in montana is right, i think what he is saying, is they vote. so at the very least, you have to acknowledge who that person is, where they are. the issue is already coddled them immensely by wrapping them in this notion of the demonization of i mean, so many americans would think of immigration and think of somebody getting murdered by an immigrant. but that is not the core of our relationship with immigrants in this country. and the right has made at that. the most important word that you said there is need. because they made at that, because they solidified this falsehood, you have to at least address it and try to start solving for it. and you understand how people are scared? who is scared? white people? white people. we are continuing to be asked to be sensitive to the fears of white people? it doesn t matter if they are real fears. they vote. general human empathy is essential to anybody sphere. i think we are also trying to do empathy, but a cold little calculus about getting their votes, even with in a way that damages them in terms of their sense of security, sense of self. se i just want to ask, what does it take to coddle at the abstract montana and was afraid that someone in mexico is afraid they are coming for their job? there s a community i know no in wyoming. they had no people from south america. all of a sudden, they have 12 people. this was a huge change for themt and all of a sudden, they had to teach esl. guess what? that town in montana or wyoming had jobs for those people. those people added to the pl jobs and there were people to do the jobs that they were doing. all of that is good. i m just saying, the change, the challenge makes people uncomfortable. i m wondering before we take wo them head on if there s a way to talk to them in an n understanding way. this is bigger than the immigration, because this is the republican pattern. create a fear that is not real, passed legislation that only harms other people, then the fear stopped because it never existed, and they think they ex won. they done it with abortion, they done it with trans people.t there are kids that are peeping and cat boxes. no, there isn t. if there was kids pooping and cat boxes in schools, high school kids would have put it on instagram. do you know what i mean? and so, to me, it is a microcosm of the playbook. and how do we dismantle that playbook to stop having that fear, and stopping the bs around it. we have to go to commercial, but i don t actually think you and steve disagree. i don t. i m not prioritizing the feelings of white people, so we do disagree. i think that all steve is trying to say here is, these people and their fears he is not saying let s appeal to them, what if we simply ignore it, then we are sending those people into trump s arms. we can practically see the statue of liberty when we walk outside this building. we are supposed to be a nation that welcomes immigrants. none of us were born here, right? but now, we have this very hateful xena phobic approach to a certain kind of immigrants. it is disgusting. and the notion that we should ti kowtow to the fears that have been grazed on these people and fox news i m not saying you re kowtowing to anything, but if you don t at least speak to that person, you are sending them into the arms of donald trump and going, why on earth are these people voting for donald trump? i m not saying they inshould beg coddled, but should we at least acknowledge them and get a basis of truth back to the center? this is part of what we are talking about when the new york times does, what s going on in the world? we asked 12 trump voters. we don t care. we don t have to be constantly checking in with what they think. i also think it s the responsibility of white people to educate other white people. i d like to know what it would take to achieve the persuasion that immigrants are not so scary. i would like a practical i proposal before i decide to sort of center the feelings of t people who are fed lies. what if you didn t reject the fears? i m not talking about coddling the fears of white people. i think there are plenty of black and brown people that arew concerned about immigrants coming over the border, taking their jobs. nobody s taking anyone s jobs. true. i m just saying. there could be a rainbow coalition of people who believee that. would have a right to be concerned and not dismissed those fears. someone else s yelling at me, and it s a producer. me we have to go to commercial. there s five people yelling. when we return, the last four years have been great for the wealthiest americans, so i want to know why so many of the richest of the rich are opening their wallets, their heart, their minds, and buying into his propaganda and pushing hi donald trump. i need some answers to this. phenom caitlin clark gets hit checked and starts a bigger conversation about women s basketball in our nightcap on the 11th hour. whoa fleas! and ticks! 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is worth $8 billion? everything president biden has done for electric vehicles, a huge win for elon musk to get them rallying against this disastrous economy when it s been a perfect one for them? taxes, let s start with that, and then get to realizing that for these guys, and silicon valley, is ashley, shame feels like a market inefficiency. like, hold on. if i don t have to care about the judgment of people who are paying attention to the news, maybe i can do the thing that donald trump offers uniquely in my memory of american presidents, which is the ability to dictate actual policy. the ability to get favors. i feel like this is the other part of the trump administration echoes unfavored, because he is for sale. look at the adelson family. go down the list of donors and what do you get? and so if you re tech billionaire ceo philosopher king that s what these guys really want to be they may think trump is an idiot, and i think they do, but they also think they can puppeteer him and ways and they can help him run the country. that is something that joe biden does not offer them. in some way, is this like creating putin s oligarchs here? you know, i m listening to you, and i m like, i can t believe were here again talking about trump again and again. there s a real chance he might win. the reason why jail does not work as a deterrent, is because a lot of people do us dint in prison and they come out and they go, well, i can do that. now i m going to go back to the street, because that wasn t that bad. for a lot of people, it s like, we survived trump. it wasn t that bad. covid does not count on his record, for some reason. we can do this again. and it doesn t make any sense. and i give a footnote to the oligarchs story? a lot of those guys ended up exiled or dead. i don t think a lot of these folks understand the final end result of autocracy. you are asking for people to have something beyond short- term is him. but see, we are talking about hugely successful masters of the universe who believe, well, that will never happen to me. you know that s the way they all think. and none of them think trump is clever. i think they also are missing getting back to the first conversation we had the essential connection between democracy and free market. what makes free markets work is a rule of law. and if the rule of law is something that is on the whim of the president, you have a real problem with your free markets. liz, let s talk about these loud, influential voices who are suddenly backing former president trump. why they would be doing it. i understand inflation has been really difficult. you want to buy a house, rented apartment, you want to get any insurance. things are really difficult. but suddenly, this group of people backing the former president, it doesn t even make sense from a policy perspective. why do you think it is happening? when you think of how many of them are adjacent, this is not my wheelhouse, that i do see and have met and have been hit on by very, very rich and powerful men, and all those zeroes don t add inches. and somehow, i think they do. and if that stays in the show, i m proud of you. because honestly, i i don t have an answer, other than it was a family show until now. but what is the draw? what is the thing you are missing? what is the emotional thing you re missing? talking about the intellect of these individuals, so much of it is about the performance of personality that trump offers the ego. if you have a massive ego with these masters of the universe silicon valley and wall street, i completely understand what you rock with trump. because that is my kind of guy. that s the guy i want to be with. i m also just not convinced that they actually like him. i think they are unbothered by the performance that trump does, which is a key, sort of like a visceral distinction that i have with these people. but also, i think what they want is power. trump offers them power. you can these guys right now believe that they can purchase a back phone into the oval office is donald trump wins. somebody on tv just said to me the other day, yeah, what if donald trump turns on the? he might, though. and joe biden definitively i think we make a mistake in this country is that, because you made a lot of money here, you must be smart about things over there. correct. they do it all the time on cnbc and it s something i disagree with. but have a billionaire in office and ask him what he thinks about healthcare. unless he made his billions in healthcare, i m not really sure i care. that s a great point. it s interesting, but it s not essential. it s interesting as we talk that the pronoun him has been used a bunch, as we ve been talking a bunch about men. even when you said, because they make money here, they don t do it over there. when you think of somebody who is a julian air, like the woman who invented banks, she is a julian air. sarah blakely. people are going to sarah blakely what you think is going on over there? i don t anybody is asking these guys. these guys have realize they can become business celebrities. you think somebody a year and a half ago said, what does bill ackman think about anything nothing. no one asked. he became a twitter personality. and the adrenaline addiction is real. they are all addicted to dealmaking. this is part of capitalism, that people who succeeded the most and capitalism must be the most intelligent people in the country. trump succeeded in capitalism. he did not. he did. he took a big chunk of money from his dad. but we think of him he is so dumb. he is proof that you can be wealthy and dumb at the same time. is also not a successful business person. when we return, fans love her, but caitlin clark is getting a mixed welcome. why one foul has people talking. the 11th hour and the nightcap. thank you now, save 40% on the sleep number special edition smart bed. plus, free home delivery when you add an adjustable base. shop now at sleepnumber.com what is cirkul? 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at the time, it seemed you guys are being rude and resentful. no, actually, it s very hard to move from college to the pros in any sport, even if you are maybe one of the best, if not the best college player ever. we are going to do this entirely differently. we are stronger, faster, more experienced. slow down. don t think you re just going to walk in and take over. i have nothing to say. i m pretty sure the economics, i will be talking about sports. i think there s some confusion here. suddenly, the wnba has all of these fans, and they are watching a game a rough game that is played year after year. but suddenly, the first game they ve ever seen, the player who they love seeing get pushed around, it was a republican lawmaker we are going, this is just how the game is played. with a feel that way if it was angel reese who got knocked to the ground like that? she did get knocked to the ground like that, and nobody cared. sports are supposed to be fueled by hatred. i bad blood. by feuding. this is stuff that is great. part of the reason i want to buy stock business metaphor in the wnba beast because people are invested in it emotionally. it comes from having bad blood. the thing that is dystopian i love dystopian. is that we are talking not so much about the story and more about how everybody hates everybody else because they see themselves in it. and for me, it becomes a culture war story. and when i say it s an endless forever war of a culture war story, i mean, it is because in sports, we are still arguing about whether lebron james or michael jordan is better. we have been doing that for decades upon decades. but the point is, this is not a thing that can be solved this positively by play. it s a thing that s going to be about, again, how you feel. and being a minority group in a majority female black sport, outside of that sport, your afforded advantages that track with the money and the attention and the privilege. it s like, it s fair to object to all of this, and it s fair to also say you are making too much of it, because isn t she just a basketball player? i just want to also say i think it s also fair to say that caitlin clark knows the game that caitlin clark is in. and she ain t saying anything. it s like when the whole taylor swift beyonce feud was happening. and they were like, there ain t no feud. that happens in this sport. and so i just feel like caitlin clark is not screaming, there s a whole lot of thing, and what you said is real. it s an important point, because race is always a part of sports we don t always talk about. it s always there. and not just what happens on the floor, but also because the vast majority of people who cover sports are white and male, and generally, they are covering especially in basketball, covering a lot of black people. in this situation, you see the white girl who is supposed to be, you know, the new star was changing everything, and she gets thrown to the ground by somebody. the white pundits especially are like, oh, my god. could you do that about her? it s a lot about the fact that the sports analyst are men. i ve seen black sports analyst this week go on and on shocked by this, saying these girls out there, they re bringing girls to each other. the same sports analyst watch football year after year. they watch rookies get the crap kicked out of them and they re like, that is how the game is played. when it comes to women doing it, it s like, look at these mean girls in here. that s nonsense. they demand, overwhelmingly, it s not that the rest of the wnba is jealous and seething like this is a high school cafeteria over caitlin clark. but there are a couple of people who feel that way. if you were to tell me watch this clip of angel reese celebrating caitlin clark falling to the ground, i can t convince you objectively that she is not taking some enjoyment. now, does that rise to the level of jealousy and mean girl stuff? i m not going to categorizes as such, but i believe enmity and bad blood can coexist. it s just when we over characterize it as, this is a sport where they should not happen. all sports are fueled by this. this is my observation. i don t know if it s true. there s less contact in there s even more in the wnba. it is more physical. yes. those ladies know how to get it done. all this talk about the wnba, is it helping the game? that s what i want to know. when we come back, our nightcap returns with our mvps of the week. you do not want to miss it when nightcap continues. nightcap continues. hi, i m kevin, and i ve lost 152 pounds on golo. i had just left a checkup with my doctor, and i d weighed in at 345 pounds. my doctor prescribed a weight loss drug, but as soon as i stopped taking the drug, i gained all the weight back and then some. that s when i decided to give golo a try. taking the release supplement, i noticed a change within the first week, and each month the weight just kept coming off. with golo, you can keep the weight off. what is cirkul? 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a nonviolent offense like this? we are over incarcerating nonviolent offenders way too much in this country, and this is a prime example of somebody who should not be a judge. there are many other ways to make the situation work. cindy young is the clerk for esmeralda county in nevada. she is undergoing withering criticism and a recall petition. she is a republican trump supporter, and there are people in that county that believe that there was problems with the election, is trump only won a county of about 700 people by about 82%. in this wonderful story in the new york times about this clerk was being criticized by her neighbors and all the people she has known for life is a reminder that democracy is not a mountain. it s not a building. it exists because of local officials, and the reason why the 2020 election was not overturned was because of these actions by these local officials. these people, i think, democrats, republicans, non- partisans, are all heroes that make democracy still exist in this country and don t take it for granted. i am on a bipartisan crusade of my own. good luck with that. red panda is somebody you may know if you seen a basketball game. she happens to be the greatest halftime performer of all time. red panda is the older chinese woman who gets on a unicycle, gets elevated many feet into the air, balances balls on her feet, and kicks them onto her head repeatedly. the crusade i m on after watching her perform in game one of the nba finals yesterday is simply this. the basketball hall of fame has never inducted a halftime performer. it should be red panda, and i want to address america and the world on my various social media platforms, i have a change.org petition. this is a real thing. all of you guys at this table need to sign it. i m begging you. we need to demonstrate that this person, red panda is a part of history and should be remembered, to me, as such. we are ready to sign it. all right. my mvp are the families from sandy hook elementary school. newtown, connecticut. if you remember, talkshow host alec jones spread lie after lie of what happened in that elementary school in connecticut. the families of those children, those five and six-year-old children who were killed, sued this man for defamation, and they won nearly 1.5 billion dollars in damages. all sorts of cynics out there, me included, thought, they are never going to see the money. a guy like this is going to move his assets, it will never happen. on thursday, yesterday, alex jones filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy, basically liquidating all of his assets. why? for the families who faced the most devastating loss and then had to hear the lies that he pushed. this was all made up, and these families of said, the money isn t the most important thing. that might not ever happen, but we are one step closer to these families having one ounce of justice, and i welcome that. thank you all for being here. this was a pleasure to have you all. thank you, thank you. we are going to be right back. . t know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you re sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. that is it for us, thank you so much for watching. remember, if your friends are busy tonight, had a hot date, you and can watch the nightcap tomorrow night, saturday at 11:00. he s turn right here on msnbc. for now i am signing off and on that note i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me, i will see you tomorrow. i think back and i go, this was such a senseless murder. and why diane? 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g at five and why? why jersey?nt and then jus t the five feet back. and welcome to the five week back. we[applausthe five live in lancaster for what a way kick off this summer with this amazing crowd. i to give a shout out to t-mobile and empire retirement for sponsoringwe right guys i think we found our our people i mean jane cannot believe you pulled this out. this was all your idea, by the y. you thank you. we have a lot of fans, the jersey shore, and it s good tnso be first time.eanine: yeah, it s my first time. and i got to tell you, dana, i m following you from now on everyevery we now about greg that it s great to be here to work. yes. finally i get to casual i met got an actuaal casual friday you might you know this is for pride month. oh yeah thanksr the guys. all right, you know what? we honor them. we honorana: we you as well. vt so it wouldn t be a short visit without hitting up that boardwalkwithou behind us. and who better to guide us than the king of new jersey himself? the jersey shoreimself, , mike e situation sorrentino. we met him earlier. check it out stion swe met ou i got the crew, me, the judge, we ve got jesse watters. great. got that. we ve lost him somewhere. is too i can t find him. he s too short to ride the ride, so we don t knowo thea where he is right now. but we ll get there. but i m so glad that you came to the jersey shore. no tw, i ve never been here. tell me about it. this is point pleasant beach boardwalre, tellk. and this is all families. it s fun. what exactly were you going n. be doing toda at arey? ot well, as you can imagine,t thin i wanted to show you lots of different things, but i neededgseede to do my research i had to find this an expert, of course. but the bestexi go. t th do you want to meet him? let s go back. the situation thank you so much for meeting. like i said. how ar how s everything? what s up? everything. hi. how are you, love? here, come on. hi, how are you? well, guys, we a little bitsitut of a situation on our hands. in fact, we have a food situation. io follow. let s go.i lo yeah, this way. i love the chicken tendersve. all right, what do weve h have here, guys? l staples that would come when you come to the you c jersey shoreom. fried my gosh, we have fried oreos. we ore have pizzosa, have chickn tenders. chicken tenders. get here. here s i m going to because it s not one of those trendy stairs and he s got to stand. his shares, chairs, protein jes jersey, stand up. can we get some diese: ys, c? thank you. yes. yeah. thank caroline.caroli johnny. thank you. jesse. jesse.f the strawneank you. you got good hair. thank you very much. i ll be honest, he could probably on the jersey shore. heit s.like y and i get my haircut like,ouy you know, your hair looks great. i think we rour haate fueled upt right now, but i think it s time to step it up a notch. wellep i, good.ge jea we got some games. all right, let s go. let night,s go right here. right we have basketball and we her have football right next to it. i think we should probably have a little competition. oh, jesse. oh, my god. no warmups. oh, okay. oh, gosh. you get. all right. you just got it. it. have yout. have you ever done the hippos? i have. let s go. js go.. yeah. yeah. great. that s impossible. what time is that? it s tee shirts shirts. ! ready? . tee shirt yeah. yes, i know. this is the place to come. oh i, yeah. show us around the tee shirt. yes. what about gre judgeg? you get well, i found greg for d myself. i m going to go with this nices blue, but look what i got for greg. oh, are you ready?we because now that we gotsh our t-shirts covered, there irtt only one thing left for us to accomplish. what do we gotplish. ? we have rights. oh, hey, ready, guys? all right, ready? okay, now. you all right, guys, are you readytu for a situation? it s time for some rightation?? do it. wait a minute. we ve got the five. we haven t even prepped ye the i can t prepare. i ve got our folders. i ve got the checklist. b eight blocks. jesse, the. bll ta okayyour a seat situation. stop. it is your fault having in the building. all right, let s folde go. oh, my god. what s happening? oh oh, all right, guys, that win be complete at the jersey shore without takingoto. photo. a squad photo. let s go. ie. his selfi it s a great time indeed. and thank you, mike, the situation for being there. his book is just out . had him on his show. that s right. we got reality check. making the bes the rea t his situation. you see what he did there. little play on words. mike was greats beard but danat a shot underhand in the basket and judge jeanine set an all time record for the hungry. hungryl-time? 30, 30, 33, hungry hippo 32. l she said 32 to greg. i got you a t-shirt. g, i g hope iott fits the cute little one for you here at the jersey shore. that s beautiful the and i love that. but you know what? i n i look because whe at this situation and i see that he s gotten old. gotten t meanthat i m really o. i mean, remember, i mean, they ve gone from cocaine to calling skippy s from stds, ira, from beer to by focals.o y yes.ha do you have any more? now? you could probably keep itfor th going. you re the only one that prepared for the show, all right. no, i know harold. i know. you couldn t come to us. come with us to the t-shirt shopouldn t to. so i got you a t-shirt. it s called rock the boat, which is what you do wear all of it. i love rock and rol, harol lt was a great time. and then this is a lot of good, clean fun. harold, you could bring your kids. i got to telyours. i got to l you.first ti it s my first timee sh on the shore, and i didn t realize the people were this good. going to come back? yeah, boards are going to come back. so thank you. all right, well, let s. get little bit of news. up next, inflation causing a summer concert. cool su down with a major artist like jennifer lopez, even s amiding their tour reports of poor ticket sales as the average ticket cost at thskyward. e yo rockets hardest hit. jesse watters. are you sad jennifer lopez isn t goinnifeg to have a concel yeah j.lo and i go way back. she s with ben now and i m not t that upset about it. th our timee coul together. but i heard because she couldn t sell out in vegas. that sdn tn vega reason she s ni the tour. so i don t know if it s bad inflatios bideation, bn, but i years ago, all concerts were free because you just hajust hdo to a trump rally and they let you in. that s true. herald dan that s what do you think the economy is this sort of reflection of the economy? i don t know. on oi think there s so many man concerts and so many options that peopld optione have. you have all the festivals, you have individual concerts. so at some point there is a finite wallet. and i think that the way that the market works supply and demand, that s exactly what i m talking about saying that s what greg told me to sa. s whatyt on t . we got on the show. greg, what do you think? i mean, i don t know about concertshew. dana:. they ve changed a it s an excuse. the only reason why they cancele it d j-lo s tour wt they couldn t find a stadium big enough fortadium b her . thank you. hey, it s jersey. yeah. here s the deal. under america under joe biden has become a neighborhoojo ad that pricing everyone out. the only peopleev, the only people who can afford house in america are the rich or foreign rich coming here ords hedge funders buying up tons of houses else is screwed. by the way, inflation isn tting just affecting prices. it s also immigration. he s inflaterices. it immigrati. he s inflated crime, right? he s also inflated government control. ed goverentright by by targeting political opposition. and suppressing political speech. an pressin when you think it s h it s not just the price of food, it s the coste pric, your freedoms and the price of being an american, we ll be right back. we should buy. before we do, let s get a check in tonight. eager face heralds. of the he s got a cute face. so one of the things we know isi got hindm out today is kindf yo of expensive if you re buying toys for the kids. yeahare i was looking at that. i mean, even buying it.ac beach are simple things. t-shirts are expensive. is, y and the truth is that, you know, people don t want to payople don w inflated priceo to some of these concerts and know only the really good ones now are getting out of state. a stadiu ing a stm of fans. going so going forward, i mean, you rather watch it on tv or, you know, watch it like, like? 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r this are you ready for this debate? yes. ye yess. president trump is hammeringbidn on the border crisis. we are so t weahek. the borders now. we were so strong. this guy goes to the beach he b all theathe. er wat you ever watch him in a bathingh suit? somebody told him he looks good. suit told hioh, joe, you look ga bathing suit. you know, you re 82 years old. you look he can t liftu ge the chair. the chair weighs about three. you knowhair., chairs, aluminum, hollow, aluminum. they weigh like they re builtm, for old people to lift and for children to lift. he can t lift. and that guilty verdict is not keeping trump down. new polling shows the formers t president is beating sleepy biden in arizona and florida and it s a dead heat in thegini. blue state of virginia. all right. so seeing as donald trump, harold is beating all those states, beating biden, do you think that biden is right when he says that donald trump is weak and pathetic? i hope that they are able to get to talking about the issuest at some point. i think they re major s between the two of them on trade. there s major differences on the economy. that deb i m interested in that debate for a lot of reasons. perhaps most important question is to get specifics on how do you lower food costs, how do you lower gas costs. mr. president, how do you thinkt should deal with reproductive rights for women across the countrcrosy. views i want both of them to be able to share their views and let the country choose. do think in a poll you just puts up a judge, jeanine, the fact there s only a four point difference in florida is really ann florid thing to me.esiden i thought president trump would be a far bigget p r in florida. this race is a 5050 race. this june 27 debate i thinkit will tip things a little bit in favor of whomever america thinks won that debate and then we ll all be lookinallg forward to the second one in a t august and maybe even a third one in september. wellhird you know, dana, you ret one who s great with all the numbers in the polls. what do you thin tk about what harold said? i think it s pretty interesting that virginia is tieaid?udge jek partly that s because governor glenn youngkin has revitalized the republicantalize party in virginia and he s also achieved results. and so people are at that. but i also think that that northern part of virginia makes it fool s gold for republicans sometimes. however, if biden having to spend money in virginia, that he s not able to spend all that money elsewhere. right. so that getsney else so that ti. the other thing is, is that biden cannot hold a news cycle ,he can t win a news cycle. he can go to france. he can t win a news cyclrance a and, you know, abc news did this big interview with him. they went that when he interviewed with zelenskyy, they go over, do a big interview with biden. it makes no news. it doesn t even make this intervieo news, doesw. make and friends with biden didn t even make the front page of their website. so i think in the lead up between now and the debate, wine trump is going to try to figure out a way to win every news cycle like he hacycle, ls been and that gets you that like hype, like leading up to theyo mike tysong up to . ake paul what s his name? jake paul, thank god. i was going to say john paul g but it was a pope. yes. okay. i like that you re going to have to hype it up and get ready. so i think this is the ramp up to that. hyper that is the rabut biden can t win aw cycle. you know, jesse, one of the things that donald trump has done is he has really criticizrumpe joe biden in this alleged securing the border executivise order. you know, do you think that the public is buying that jo te biden is securing the border with 1.8 million can still come 1. year. absolutely not. and if i m trump at the debate stage and hep at thestage me wy joe, the taliban told you whatw to do. i d say the the cartels telldo. you whatels tell do. you a i d say aoc boss is you around joe biden you re the weakest president we ve ever had in the history of the united states of americain the h. ol these border control policies that he just initiatedd they change the definition of fear. so you don t even have to safear y get scared in order to get asylum if you re just silentat as they interpret that as being scared and they let anou com and herald. this is not a 5050 race. joe biden is losing every single battleground state. and if you re tied in virginiiea, this is lookingnl like an absolute landslide. ide. he s four points ahead in florida, though, four points ahead in florida. he s up in all of the rust belt states that he needs to win up h in the sunbelt. he s up and he s going to win nevada. and now donald t trump is pickig off joe biden s base with young people, blacksbiden sp, hispanii joe biden s on the defensive big time. and donald trump is raisinden g boatloads of money. so now they re even in the word chess. think it s over? harold, you might as well just quit. you know you migh what, greg? do you know that theknow trump campaign raised $300milli million in may? take that one, harold, too. but in addition to that, i love ,though, harold. but in addition to that, greg, hoperuth is the democrats that the convicted felon moniker would put an f to donal trump. it doesn t mean a darn thing. ct well, i think they forgetthat s the mistake that the democrats have made is they ve abdicatedrc their as the victim. they were the victim party. they just madetheir the victim. what i think about this, ree we it s three weeks till the debate. ekwhat that in biden years. this guy is declining so fast. f ukrainase is sending him aid. but you know what? there s a there is a sense of existential dread among the democrats because they realize that america has gone from wanting change to deciding for change. it s like when you were a younge gu.y and you were dating a girl and you were selfish and uncaring she wanted to leave you. but then when she decide d was going to leave you, thenro you make the promises. thenmises. you you re going to change. then you say, oh, i m going to be differen tt. me, i don t leave me. please don t leave me. i ll chang le that, america. what the democrats have noticed is that their decision has been made. the americans want changein and they re looking at trump in a different way. thererene some people that arent crazy about him, but they realize biden is a bigger risk to the country than donald trump is a risk to your feelings. jeanine all right. all right. and a girl never left you, did she. nev a girl would never leave. coming up next, the medi leaame is totally in the bag forise ba the democrats. wait until you seeg for th whatt wing clown jimmy kimmel is leg to biden? 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yeah, yeah, yeah. you also get asked, look, the republicans don t play it square. why do you play square? it s like you re playingou with somebody who you know won t pass. h someonn tgo, won t follow anye rules. and how do you ever make any progress if? e rule they re not following the rules of the jail. you knows?ve got tnd them . they remove boxing the referee, the jail. nd and legendary democratic strategist james carville says the media needs to get tougher on president biden s opponent, formers president trump i don t have anything against slanted dt coverage. i really don t. i would have something against it. on the other most other timeshir in american history, but not right noy,right now. objectivity. [b of a teamo have in this country right now is we are going to have a constitution are we no atitut so, greg, your thoughts? jimmy kimmel and even the things that carville is saying is saying about president trump. but most important, we think and, jimmy kimmelabout ji what he s doing for the biden campaign. it s pretty strange to see, even though his show isn t watched by anybody, he s stillhi late night show host. could you imagine, jimmy, johnny carson, david letterman, jay leno, any of those people actually sending out a fundraising email? i mean, and also kimmel used to be host of the man show where he interviewed women in bikinis on trampolines. so he went from like t drooling over women on trampolines to shilling for a drooling man on a stretcher. it s strange, though. it is weird. it ihis old job of telling jokes is now being replaced bitfo by shilling for politicians. that s not his job. don t know how abc is okay with that. dana, you caw abc isn pick up ob if you want. but what about the carville point? he think he isout ? e is he right that there s there s that the media he believes is not questioning g trump enough? is that something that you feel thing th? at but i find that odd becauseesidn president trump is thet only talking to the media all the time. and even under a gag ordertime,a he talks more to the media than joe biden does. the josmore te hasn t even donen interview with the new york times . so i think that that is a little bitew york times , so to speak, besides the media. they just decide to write whatever they want about without even checking. and then the democrats freaked ou t. there was a story written by news reporters, the wall street journalrters of with 45ft different sources, all saying that joe biden has lost a step and they have it and the media goes nuts and they attaca goesk the reporters, instead of saying, yeah, we have a problem, i do think jimmy kimmel is kind of giving up on getting ratings because any of those previous comedians that gregg mentioned, they would have been reaching sato trump campaign and they would have said, let sid go, let s have him let s have you on my show. and i think trump would do it absolutely. and that way, that s how you get ratings. that s to me, i feel like just given uppitow and going. but the biden team seems to want to recreate what hillary clinton tried in 2016 with their raw campaign . i m going to let it roar. right. and so she s got all the celebritie aign, th s and didn t work.s bi but it s biden s safest place. like he doesn t want to go in toodece.no. en events in new hampshire, evenle because only 30 people showed up in new jersey pointed out 12 of them were staffers. soe staf i find that all a littt odd. i do wish that more of them would do in-dept h interviews.nd i think that biden s sitting down and doing the time magazine interview time magaz,e everybody should read that for themselves. d and theld be rea transcript, audio should be released. got your thought releass and your you thi thoughts on whether or not president trump, you think he would acceptmy kim jimmy kimmel invitation to debate joe biden in a late night settingme like that? donald trump would go into the lion s and poke the lion. he s willing to go anywhere atn, any time. eddie howe okay, sohis wo jimmy kimmel s the least of his worries. but i got to telbut i ve gotl ye you hear carville say something liy thisare goobjectivit country now is either we re going to have a constitution or we re noine t, which i think is really incredible, given the fact that the democrat were the ones who suppressed free speech, who suppress the firstme amendment during the 2020 election, whennt anthony blinken got 52 so-called intel, cee guys took him out and say the laptop, which is now a central piece in a criminall case against hunter biden, wascs russian disinformation. democr the democrats should not talk deout the constitutionat t becae they re the ones who ve been destroying it at every stestp. n i have a slightly different opinion about that. but jesse, what art jesse,e your about this? well, because joe biden needs a lo about te joe t more e donald trump does. joe biden needs kimmel. s.he bill clinton, he needs barack obama. he needs clooney to raise money. donald trump can throw a fundraiser mp can t and, raise 50 million just by himself. and if we were at fox and greg tried to throw a fundraiser for donald trump, wow, they de four have to call the show the four. i mean, he would be out of here. so. be they would never allow tha. and then for carville to say that they need to be tougher, how much more tougher can the medihre tough meda be on tr? 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i the torch is going to come out to the side. it as i down, i throw mt as enter the water to not get tangled. i swim, swim, swimtangled, swi. once i get five yards out, i get a hand on my handlete. i put it in front of jesse. i say, don t grab me, grab this float, because we don t want a panicking victim to drown the the lifeguard in the process. what if i want to grab you? well, we ll talk about that late be r. i m a married man, jesse. all right, so i put my arm i am, right and then g i start stroke came to kick until we get to safetyet. just like that now. well done, boy. i get brown around him. okaylause.u very. thank you very much. now, have you noticed i? brought three torpedoes here. so i d like you guys to give this a tryhis . ctim so i ll be a victim.judge je and i want maybe judge jeanine and dana. could you guys can y be victims and see if the guys can try to rescue you? we d love to tryyod love t that. okay. i guess. do we have to choose which one we want to rescue? it s totallywhich on res to you totally up to you. all right, try. up to y a drowning. victim. you re going to grab that strap. you re going to put it over your shoulde going strr.ap i so it s across your chest. i m drowning. soross not too bad.it that s better. now you re going to come. you re going to throw it out? grabfor any of the side of you . right. you re going to hand me the tour. say, don t grab me, grab this floais. t this. dana. that s okay. and now you re going to start showin ag the back to safety.ro fantastic. greg, you let me drown. sorry. gy. awnkay. i have a question. sure. you guys have diy policies fo. lifeguard guys have d i ve noticed a lack of diversity. no plus size lifeguards. ll you noticed this? i was actually thinner in my yo but not £2ed tha that i know about situation. but it s awesomet. that you guyn are up here. we really. how many times a year would you have to do one of these? last year wetorpedoe had 590 orr rescues. yeah, not me personally, but i di d learn how to swim.ne: so so how many lifeguards do you have here? have about 100. ove a little over 100 lifeguards. wow. well, over my beacr 10h, 15 lifeguard stands. and this is one of the busiest in the jersey shore. we re very crowded, very busy. wow. all right. now, janine, he s not going to you mouth to mouth no matter how much you say nmouth-too i gt harold, and he saved me. he decides who decides who to b save. like you re all at the beach. there s you see somebodyeach,set there? is there like a taking turns thing? no. aarere sittin g with your partner, you would identify someone who s in trouble. but what if you re on lunch? what if you re having lunch and there s somebody there? you know, it s like you re. you re on your break. yeah. during lunch break, somebody goes off and somebody else comes on. we rotate on, rotateebod off. keep everybody fresh. yeah. all right. well, thank you guys very muchgr . we got fan mail.t fa next thing. you guys, that was fish in the i don t care if we ever come that. on i love fishing one day and now through june 14th save 10% on that favorite gift specia l day gift cards bass pro chefs and cabela s. these bills are crazy. she has no idea all o she s sitting on a goldmine. well, she doesn t knowr if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more. she ca n all or part of it to coventry for cash, even a term policy, even term goldm policy. even our policyine. call. find out if you re sitting on a gold mine. call coventry direct today at 804 nine six 9200 or visit coventry direct, icom. most guys get serious airbags as they get older, but most guys don t do anything about it because guys don t really understand skin care. they it s too expensive and they don t believe that anything actually works. but here s the thing most guys are wrong because there are actually a few ways to reduce air bags. and one of the easiest particles, six and one face cream actually works really well. and most guys actually can afford it because it s six and one formula means you re getting six products packed into one. just wash your face and then massage and particle for 30 seconds. before you know it, you re looking younger than, well, most guys. but forget about most guys. just be you got a younger version of you you can order right now as part of medcom. we ve got shipping in the united states plus a 30 day money back guarantee. tonight, calling out the president. elise stefanik breaks down a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! so we are american made from beginning to end shop now at show allegiance .com you it is a fan mail friday live from martell s tiki bar at the jersey shore. mathe first question is a doozyn all right. this is from zac iozy!h. you are traveling with a friend. you get picked for a freyou gee upgrade to first class. do you leave your friend or significant other behind and take the upgrader be? we already know what jess is going to say, so let s . t him out of the way jesse, you would abandon your own child for first class yo it s a friendil, you definitely take the upgrade. taket s a spouse, you definitely take the upgrade . judge what would say greg: yoy you know, i initially thought i would probably do it, but you know what, if i had a friend who wasn t normally in first fi i would give it to my friend, i really would. liar. so i m i know i his maker s in and liberal but harold. yes, harold. you only fly private so thisso makes no sense to you. you limousine liberas no sl. you make me sick to my stomach. i ve beeoln give ud: ip my prive and my first class. any friend, any any prime member. every time, every time. dan all right, dana, i don t knoa:w who these people are. i m definitely takine pegth the upgrade. you re taking the upgrade. does it really matter? you just kind of go into the baggage compartmene upgradd yeah, i mean, that s. i always get upgraded. yes, exactly i. all right. second question. this is a great question. a greawhat tv show was canceledo early that you would like to see come back. jesse, would it be the o rileybh ? we had a good run.ad a goo greg i would say live pd. i love live pd. e go they canceled it during the summer of love and they got to bring iringt back. watch dana i watched the show on netflix from australia called offspring so good,en sea but there were only seven seasons and it really could have gone longerso. me wow, she picked one from australia. harold todd the i like idris elba. i thought when they canceled , i wish wer a few had a few more. and diff rent strokes are different for different folks. judge there s a show called lioness that harold is cominness g back to back. so my wish has been granted. you know what? i thinnted. you knok they shoulr baywatch. oh, don t even go there. read back all the originals b with new implants, huh? and it could be at the billy jest at the village. the village is lake. w oh, god.e with the alligators. yes, exactly. you have to fight. what was the what was your reaction when you first saw yourself on television, y gh dana? oh, my gosh. i do remember one time they playe, i doer one td back a and i blink a lot, way too muchl . you re like a hostage sending a message. yeahik. you re doing morse code right now. please get me out. help me. helpmorse code rig.ana: hel me.g dge. i remember the first time i wase on it was the today show, and the driver got los dt. so there was no hair or no makeup. i looked like nightmare.t fo i didn t come out for, like, a week after that.d? oh, carol, i like that look, i had a bad hairstyle. i had a part in my head. and i remember that part i had i to get rid of that doggone thing. yeah, terrible. that was a good move on your part. thanible. k you, sir. thank you, sir. see what i did there? all right, there jesse. so i was 13 and they interviewed me during the milli vanilli scandal. s wow. and i was at aat a f footlocker in philly. , i sa and so they interviewed me. i said my piece, and i told goin i m going to be watch, on tv tonight. mom and dad, you got to watch. and then we waited for the anden they showed me. my vthen a old lady s voice wans dubbed over my voice like milli vanilli. wow. li one of the first time i saw myself on tv, i thought, wow, who this good looking guy? of course you did. yeah. all right, we have time for another. okay. what s okay the worst thing to heat up in an office? a break room, microwavbreak roeh and don t say jesse s hair, dana. dana: fish,iously but i m going to give you another tip. if you ever cook cauliflower in a microwave and burn it, you will be to another country.e judge that you shouldn t put in a microwave in the office. yeah, i don t know. i don t cook in the microwave in the officthe ofe. somebody else does it. jud i don t go, i don t go in that room. fihawhat would you like what el. that i know what s fish smells bad. what else is new. new jesse. indian food. gy. oh, boy. oh but bull. oh, let s go.! brandon. way, way to get out of troublesl . i was close. harold, did i ask? 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class= nosel > div class= colspacer > div class= gutr > arizona, the great jenny nichols, my friend who played for them behind , ucla for the most wins and women s college world series. congratulations. go,d you go girl. we also want to thank mike the situation for showinn fog us tht jersey shore boardwalk. his book is reality check. and wehe. are some we have somer big summer plans. we re going to be in milwaukee, goink yeah. yeah. isn t it funny that situationha a book as he read one that s terrible man. rea how dare you? you know what? i bet he s read your. i don t think he s ever read a book. all right, let s come on, let s go. i like mike. the situation right there. greg. he a: we lo y hugged and thank you for having us. martell s tiki bar. all right for us .t,so [the star-spangled banner] [the star-spangled banner] [the star-spangled banner] [the star-spangled banner] rachel: good morning. it is 6:00 in new york city and i just turned my phone on mute. make sure my kids don t call in the middle of this. it is great to be back. pete: how are you? will: i am okay. it is a little bit like is that. rachel: i feel like we are on peter hegseth now. i love it. pete: i don t want to hear myself talk. rachel: i hope the book is going well. rachel: i saw my dad reading your book. he loves it. will: you still have your chance to buy that. to the news starting now. we are waiting the arrival of president biden and the first lady in paris where president emmanuel macron post them for a state visit. they will make a statement in a few hours but won t take questions. rachel: this as the white house denies the two reportedly butting heads over assistance for ukraine. reporter: a few blocks from where we are standing, this parade is getting underway, biden being hosted by president emmanuel macron even though they had big disagreements including on things like trade where macro thinks the biden trade policy is too pro usn on ukraine because emmanuel macron does not want nato to rule out sending nato troops to ukraine at some point to fight russia. white house officials tell us it is all good. they have a warm and close relationship. people are focused on areas they may not agree on everything rather than focusing on the strength of this relationship but reporter: something president biden will do is open the checkbook. he told volodymyr zelenskyy there s $225 million on the way in the military aid, that s a drop in the bucket my 50 one billion dollars and military assistance and on the world stage president biden wanted to make sure everybody knows the new nine figure munitions package have come sooner if not for republicans back home. president biden: i m not going to walk away from you. i apologize for weeks of not knowing what was going to happen in terms of funding because we had trouble getting the bill we had to pass, had the money in it, members were concerned with holding it up. we got it done finally. reporter: we expect to see president biden and president emmanuel macron taking questions later. making statements later. white house officials are saying under no circumstances will the two of them be taking questions. we expect a state dinner later on that president biden will attend with the first lady, jill biden. she was here on thursday and flew back to wilmington, delaware to sit in the gallery for her son s trial before flying all the way back to paris. how does the first lady travel back and forth across the atlantic, is that on air force one? on the public time? how does she fly back and forth? reporter: her plane is called executive foxtrot one but it is an air force aircraft with air force pilots so it is not like she s hopping on the red eye on air france $2 to meet some suburbans there. this is a taxpayer-funded back-and-forth. rachel: would want to miss a party so she had to rush back. if while they are in france, his any discussion been had about weapons being launched into russia. it appears to be a new stage of this conflict that is pretty reckless. reporter: there s been a little bit of talk about that. president biden saying the ukrainians are only going to be allowed to attack places the russians are using in russia to attack them. they insist even though they will be striking inside russia with these us weapons it is not an offensive operation. they consider that defensive operation but when getting that close, that is how close they are 2 escalating fingers it. pete: thanks for breaking it down. is exactly right. where were we at the beginning of this conflict, what they said would not happen. you heard peter doocy mention the idea there are discussions about nato troops on the ground. if vladimir putin wasn t correct about the desire of nato to surround and we are making sure to fulfill that. neil: plan report and responded because of what you ve done, usa, we are going to provide long-range weapons to your enemies. they are considering that. we are escalating it not just there in this conflict in russia and ukraine on that quarter but potentially in other areas. we have enemies all over the world and this is very troubling. will: we heard there might be small levels between the united states and france over france s more. written tone or commitment to ukraine. as of the end of 2023, france has given 3 billion to ukraine. the united states has given 51. rachel: they feel so comfortable, why aren t you supporting us and getting nato troops, they have such a cocky attitude with us and they are not doing anything. they are not giving any money or putting skin in the game. pete: president biden felt the need to issue an apology, here is vivek ramaswamy on that. if you wants to imitate reagan peace through strength is different from peace through frailty and weakness which is where biden is exhibiting today. the reality is we are forking over more money to ukraine then we have accounting for how it has been spent in the first place. this is the problem with american culture under the leadership of biden in the democrats we are taught to apologize for who we are both at home and the global stage to flog ourselves for helping the countries we are helping. enough of that. we are done with this culture of apologist him. pete: they work very hard to almost completely rekey create what reagan did 40 years ago, catch a little bit of the magic of that famous speech. we are going to go off the wall on biden s failed recreation of biden s normally the the biden team was as concerned about the pathway from his vehicle to the stage to make sure he was going to make it as they are about the speech, that s the challenge they are facing, trying to carefully curate what their candidate is saying. rachel: trying to re-create a republican moment. however lichen has aged in terms of speech and impact on the world and history. interesting to see a democrat try to do that. will: the judge published letters saying the court became aware of our comment posted on the unified court system s public facebook page which i will now bring to your attention. my cousin says trump is getting convicted. thank you, folks, for all your hard work. the judge alerting the court this posting was made to facebook. there is some legitimate questions about legitimacy, whether or not this was truly the cousin of some juror about the fact that it has been acknowledged by the court is quite a statement and a serious potential development. pete: we were prepping for the show when this came out and when you look at the letter, how big a deal is this? for him to put out a letter publicly stating that this comment but it all looks like the comment was made on a post that wasn t pertaining to the trial. there were other comments the poster made that sounded like that. is that a scammer, is it real? but room to put a letter out you would think they did some of the pulmonary work to identify that but that is not yet clear. don t want to get ahead of what this means. could have just been this is something we have to put out just in case, let s see how it sources out. at this point we don t know how significant this is. rachel: greg jarrett had this to say about what would happen if it turns out to be true. if it is true, that s a big if but if it is true, it is grounds to vacate the conviction and order a new trial. what this judge needs to do is appoint an independent, impartial officer of the court to does contract and investigation that may include subpoenaing facebook to identify who this person is who posted it because the message indicates that a juror spoke with a relative about the case. jurors are admonished at the outset of the trial you are not allowed to talk to your wife, your spouse, anybody, about this case. that taints the impartiality of the juror, and outside influence potentially. not only that. it also suggests that perhaps before deliberations even began, the jurors had already decided to convict. if there s merit to it that case gets tossed, a new trial is ordered. rachel: half the fbi has been deployed to find january 6th to identify from. i don t know why at this point we still, it s pretty easy to find this person and if this did happen it would be a case of election interference. will: the jury was never sequestered was a whole week before it came out, like swiss cheese. what an appeal would be but it was never about appeal. it was about getting forward as fast as possible. will: whether it is true it lends to the seriousness that you take it in the beginning. rachel: millions are hitting the beach but may be at risk if they get into the water. pete: sharks are back, there have been several shark attacks in florida and one in texas. reporter: the sheriff calling back to back shark attacks yesterday exceedingly rare. two teenagers and one woman were rushed to the hospital in two separate incidents taking place in waist deep water about four miles apart within the span of an hour and 1/2. 45-year-old woman lost her arm in the first attack and is in critical condition at a nearby trauma hospital. two teenage girls were attacked, one remains in critical condition and one in stable condition. something that is important is to understand the continuity of care, that s a seamless operation between the folks at southpoint fire district, the deputies in walton county, the sheriffs office and rescue. everybody did their role professionally and these two ladies have a fighting chance because of the way we interact. reporter: these attacks mark the first in florida this year, in texas in 19-year-old woman is recovering after fighting off a 5 foot shark at galveston beach last week. as i was turning, a shark grabbed a hold of my hand and i looked down and there was a shark attached to my hands which i m glad it happened to me and not my siblings and i wasn t too affected by it. reporter: law enforcement hasn t specified the type of shark involved but the beaches are close for now. the sheriff says his office is in contact with a shark expert to see if there s an anomaly in these attacks. pete: i m going to the beach and i will swim extra far out. rachel: you are supposed to punch the shark. pete: what else do you do? the only thing you will do is try to punch. don t know if it is effective. rachel: i heard you punch it in the eyes or something. pete: if you get bit by a shark like that, among the scars and stories, what happened to your arm? obviously there s a level beyond. pete: it is obviously scary. odds are you are going to be all right. pete: they look out for the jellyfish, they are bothersome. will: additional headlines. a family confirming apollo 8 astronaut william anders is dead after his plane crashed off the san juan islands. anders was the only one inside the plane accorded to officials. he had his apollo 8 crew mates were the first people to have traveled to the moon although they did not land on it. he was known for taping this famous photo in space called earthrise. he is survived by his wife and 6 children. she was he was 90 years old. hunter biden s federal gun trial continues monday after prosecutors put their case to rest yesterday. biden s lawyers may call hunter to the stand after prosecutors revealed biden s truck and gun case had remnants of drugs on the. hunter apple the starter naomi testifying she did not see drug paraphernalia and her father s truck when he bought the gun in 2018. the trial is expected to wrap up next week. baseball, new york mets taking on the philadelphia phillies across the pond just after one:00 p.m. today. postings facing off in the third london s series. major league baseball is looking at bringing even more games to europe with another game in 2026 and paris potentially hosting the games. coverage starts at 12:30 eastern time on fox. hall of fame pitcher john smoltz joined us later today with more. pete: why are they taking will: i will be interested in what the turnout is for baseball. people fly to taylor swift concert so currently tickets are cheaper in europe. i don t know. will: the paralympics are going green but looks like the stars of the show, the athletes aren t very interested in it. pete: janice tina s off ahead of the belmont stakes. will: brian kill me joining us on the couch on the weekend, stay with us. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. disrupts my skin, night and day. despite treatment, it s still not under control. but now i have rinvoq. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that reduces the itch and helps clear the rash of eczema fast. some rinvoq patients felt significant itch relief as early as 2 days. some achieved dramatic skin clearance as early as 2 weeks. and many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. help heal your painful skin disrupt the itch & rash of eczema. talk to your doctor about rinvoq. learn how abbvie can help you save. norman, bad news. i never graduated from med school. what? 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2030. 2030. the bbc has said it is not a question of if but when we can start having a flying for a world, they warned of not being able to get fruits unless they are in season. remember 70 years ago, can t get strawberries when they aren t in season, that s because the advent of modern airline travel you can get what you want to now but because of carbon footprints and net 0 we are taking a complete reversal on all of this. there s a war on air-conditioning, freedom of movement, intentional restriction and rationing of food, energy, transportation and they are getting away with it every day we go forward with the net 0 agenda takes a little more away of our freedom and prosperity. rachel: who could say supporting a 50-year-old man in court is not morally justifiable. so great to have you always. president biden in france this morning arriving for welcome ceremony but isn t expected to questions following his statement with the french president was we are asking get brian kilmeade about his performance on the world stage next. the smooth writing, longest lasting pilot g2 has long been the hero of gel ink pens. and what hero doesn t have a dark side? 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their state dinner. rachel: they will not be taking any questions. will: let s bring in brian kilmeade. he agreed to be here if we didn t ask questions. brian: i m afraid of what you will ask. i was trying to bring down ukrainian talking points until the elevator got stuck. thursday, friday, now saturday, a great opportunity with the world watching the, to talk about the need for nato to grow, for us to combine efforts to go against, china, to see the growth of the new axis powers of iran, north korea, russia, and in china. no questions. gives an speeches, have some awkward glances and call it a day. he is exhausted. there s probably a lot of things you want to discuss or get done or navigate and you are just not meeting a capable partner. reporter: i always say what if this happened under trump. one of the first thing that s happened the first year of president biden, they decided to sell our nuclear submarines to australia. the deal was done with the french selling it, billions of dollars, australians go i would rather buy them from you so we came in and undercut the french. pooled their ambassador. can you imagine if trump did that, that s not how you treat an ally but since that time, although the word is he doesn t like donald trump, they had their ups and downs, tolerated each other, that is the start they got off of an president biden let everybody know. rachel: is the bad what about that move? started that way. will: you got out of your yacht on saturday morning and drove into new york city so quickly you couldn t put on a tie, i take her seriously enough that i came in studio but not serious enough for a tie. but the reason you did is you had a big interview for one nation. had a chance to talk to the man in charge in terms of global power it is and the other thing is he happens to one of the best friends donald trump has in real life, nothing to do with politics. they ve been friends for 30 years. i had a chance to talk to dana white behind the scenes before big event, a huge fight with at the end of this month, the biggest ever, he talked about the trump that he knows and the guy he expects to finish off and when in november. you wants to be the next president, stare in more fighters eyes to see what s in there. where does he rank? number one, take any of the greatest fighters of all time, trump is number one, the most resilient human being i have ever met in my life. you got money, you got a great life, whatever, why keep doing this, one thing i can tell you and this is a fact, this guy loves this country and he loves all americans regardless of what color, religion or whatever it is, he s not a racist, he s a good human being and he loves america and cares about this country period, end of story. will: dana, it is no secret dana is going to do what dana is going to do, he s not afraid, he will say what he wants to say, he s unique as an individual that way but unique in the world of sports. i cannot imagine any other leader of a sports organization taking a position on trans let alone that. that is all the way. he spoke at the rnc and i am doing it and don t do it and doing it and killed it and that s just it. he meets with kings and queens around the world and the middle east, has things going on in japan. he s got a global, opening up facilities in mexico. he literally is a global power. everyone has their fighters. i think it will be an olympic sport soon. the other thing is what is it with these fighters and trump, they hopped out of the octagon to shake his hand, give tributes to him after they win or lose and the bond that they have. what about his connection to the fans, fighters wanting, he walks in, fans in the stands. joe rogan is the most powerful in the media right now. he did the first 15 for free and now he loves it. he has martial arts background. i think he was on the fence about bernie sanders and by the way he talks, you could hear him on the introduction describing everything, he might be there. they are presenting a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier in paris. you hear the sound. one thing that has been edifying to switch gears is to watch the level of appreciation the french seem to still have for what america did 80 years ago. we can talk about the other stuff on the side, you were just there, the way in which they seem to still pass it to the younger generation that americans did something really special. their country was taken over. they were occupied by heather. we still weren t in the war and when we came in we came into a buzz saw and had to have the element of surprise to overcome the weather and guess will be saved, millions of french along with the french resistance from the worst person in the modern world, hitler, who was doing nothing but getting revenge on the french. he says if you let me keep friends i won t take any more and the allies said that s not going to be enough and to see people walk into the teeth of gunfire like this, they had six to 8 weeks of training and they were just doing other things, the only thing that was so interesting, you are on our coverage, their objective was, wasn t goes so far, we have to win. that s what they did. we knew we would go home after we won, that s it. 80 years later, it is remembered. rachel: listening to french taps. o say can you see by the dawn s early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilight s last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight o er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there o say does that star spangled banner yet wave o er the land of the free and the home of the brave will: national anthem of the united states of america at the arc they triomphe in paris, france at the tomb of the unknown soldier. french president emmanuel macron, american president joe biden. it is significant they are standing in front of the term of the unknown soldier. i ve fallen down the rabbit hole. i was in france the week before the eighth anniversary of d-day, you start studying and watching documentaries and movies, the casualties on d-day were something like 20,000 dead but another 10,000 missing. you know what that means, missing. to the ocean, to the overwhelming firepower. the unknown soldier is a big part of the casualties on d-day in world war ii. the one hundred first airborne in the 82nd airborne, they were working against german intelligence which started to get a sense where those drop zones might be and move them. will: they were scattered all over the country. the number of b-52s shot down during that dropped. they all missed the target. they had to rally, scramble that morning to accomplish their objective and make it clear for the guys coming down the beach. rachel: france doing a wonderful job of covering our dead. will: this goes back to the revolution. rachel: they arrive on the scene. a lot of their desire to help us was mounted in their animus toward the british, but we will take it and here we are 80 years ago, when you experience one of those, it s pretty cool. 80 years ago sending our boys over there to liberate their entire country. not getting in this until americans prove they can win in the battle of saratoga prove to the french that we are worth it. these guys have a shot. rachel: as the state visit continues, if and when there are moments worthy of coverage we will bring them to you. there is a state dinner but unlikely to be any questions, will not hear in an unscripted sense from emmanuel macron or president biden. great to have you this morning. what time this evening and people view the interview on your program? reporter: 9:00 tonight. pete hegseth is going to be on and pete, i won t give it away but you were good, insightful, handle two topics you weren t expecting and you ended up, it all went together? pete: i had a chance to watch that interview. it s really good. what was my grade? it wasn t an a plus, maybe it was a plus. did really good. we got mugs now. don t touch them. we finally got them. give me the styrofoam. last thing i need is something else, with a little sponge, wiping them out and get the taste of the sponge in the cup. rachel: you did you approve these cups for the b team? i don t consider you the team. a reference to something, you can t complete that. going back on stage in june 29th, and on the 27th, inspirational motivation. we need to find a moment all 3 of us are somewhere in the tri-state area. we don t travel. this is my clothes are, showing two kids who walked out now. hard to figure out how to stop. pete: stay as long as you want. he heads back to his yacht, we head to the belmont stakes. everything is fancy. final stop for the triple crown run and a new homeland in saratoga springs, new york. rachel: a fight is brewing to see who takes home the big prize. pete: janice dean is live. carley: it is a people day in saratoga. hard to believe it is only three hours from new york city. one of the oldest tracks in the nation and the oldest thoroughbred race in the country, that happens in august. that is where my husband and i had one of our first dates. we talk to the folks at saratoga and who they are excited to win. 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secrets of his diaries on daylight. his obsession to actress jody foster. is hinckley really fit to be free. he s a potentially dangerous character. he s proven that. hello. welcome to dateline. he shot a president and shook the country. we re about to unveal a probe of his most private thoughts and feeling and his second act as a free man. here is special contributor troy roberts. hinckley, diary are a dangerous mind. reporter: charming, small town, williamsberg, virginia. people visit from all over the world for a taste of america s colognal history. that man came for something more, a new life. one that would be quiet and normal. he volunteers at a church goes for long walks. reporter: but his journey to get here was a long one, filled with violence, mental illness and confinement. this is a violently insane person, so you need to put him some are where he cannot harm somebody. reporter: no one would guess now, but this senior citizen casually walking around town it is the man that tried to kill a president of the united states over a movie star, john hinckley junior. after being institutionalized for three decades, he is pretty much a free man. it was a rainy spring monday in washington d.c. , a few months after ronald reagan was elect the president. 70 days into reagan s first term. it is a nothing die. he gave a speech at the washington hilton . reporter: a nothing day was about to be a day that no one would ever forget. dale wilber interviewed well over 100 people for his book, raw hide, the secret service code word for reagan. he gives a speech and walking out. it is 2:27 p.m. i was part of the press pool, which is the small group of reporters that follow along in the motor motorcade. he came out the door and waving. he raised his arm to wave to people there. reporter: 15 feet away was a rope line that separated a small crowd of reporters and bystanders from the president. in that crowd, a sandy blonde- haired 25-year-old named john hinckley junior. moments later. it sounded like firecrackers. you knew in an instant it could knot be firecrackers and you knew it was a gun. i saw a jumble of people shov people shoving the into the car. reporter: all three camera crews that were able to capture it all. first shot hits in the head. and the fourth shot hits tom mccarthy and turned and took a shot to the chest without a bulletproof vest. i remember the yelling and the chaos and said, was the president hit? they said, i don t think so. reporter: did you see john hinckley outside of the hotel? i saw the police on top of a man on the ground. a secret service agent with a oozy. so they are hustling him over to this car. reporter: president reagan s son ron was in lincoln, nebraska when he was told about the shooting. he told my wife and i that shots been fired. they didn t think he was hit. we was an announcement from the white house. definitely, the president was not hit. reporter: but inside the presidential limo, a different story was playing out. reagan is increasingly complaining of chest inside. he pulls a napkin out of his right coat pocket and there was blood. reporter: president reagan was shot and his life was in danger. wilber explained how he was wounded. we re watching a slow motion reply. look how close he is. look at the gun. the bullet hits right there and gets through that little gap. reporter: through the tiny gap created by the open door of the bullet proof car hitting the president and incredible fluke. it was hinckley s sixth and final shot. the secret service agents raced him to george washington university hospital, where the doctors found the bullet dangerously close to president reagan s heart. judy, i m sorry to interrupt. reporter: nbc cut into her report with the news. we have two bulletins that president reagan was shot in the chest. reporter: he was rushed into surgery. the fbi was desperately trying to find out what happened. retired fbi agent, thomas baker. was there part of the conspiracy? 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reagan came within a couple minutes of dying. reporter: meanwhile, the man that shot him was in the custody of the washington d.c. the entire homicide detective was the first person to question hinckley. more than 38 years since that day, this was his first national television interview. he looked like a college student. he just didn t seem to fit the profile of what i thought presidential assassin look like. reporter: what was john hinckley s demeanor when you started the interview. he didn t seems like it was a big deal. reporter: he also assured detective that he acted alone. did you ask him that question directly? yes, i did. i asked, are you by yourself. he responded i m with no run. reporter: did he ask any questions about the condition of the president or mr. brady? no, never did. he never seemed concerned. reporter: no remorse? no remorse at all. reporter: desperate for any clue or everyday that could explain the motive for the shooting, he searched his wallet and found photos. what did he say? you ll find out when you read the letter in my room. reporter: at that point, he shut down and refused to say more. he seemed arrogant, almost smug. i said you re going to be charged with attempted assassination of the president of the united states. as i m writing this in my notes, i m having a hard time spelling assassination. he said i ll spell it for you. reporter: soon after, he was turned over to the fbi. by evening, word of hinckley s arrest was public. the man that fired the shots today has been identified as john warnock hinckley of evergreen, colorado. i m thinking that is so weird that the guy that shot the president has the same name as my friend john hinckley. reporter: as kids, evan price, kurt dooley and well will francis grew up with hinckley. they didn t believe the shooter was their john till they heard where he went to school. i know this guy. friendly person. this cannot be happening. reporter: it was hard for all of them to scare the would be assassin for a friend they have known for a decade. he s handsome, happy, and look greats. reporter: they met in the 1960s and bonded over sports and music. he was a well-liked guy. we would go to record shops, stores, places to go to have burger. reporter: his father was the owner of a oil and gas business. they said that his family seemed perfect, straight out of a tv classic, leave to beaver. it was a great family. she was just june clear of. and his dad was more like ward. reporter: so what changed for the kid that grew up with everything? back in washington, the fbi was wondering the same thing. that night, agents were at the park central hotel where hinckley had been staying. we executed a search warrant of his hotel room. thomas baker was the agent in charge. we found the later, the statement of why he was doing this. reporter: the letter revealed that hinckley did not try to kill the president for political reasons. he did it because of attacker and twisted obsession with a woman. hinckley s bombshell motive thrusts a young hollywood actress into the the spotlight and those close to the president are left reeling. raw pain for the reagan family. and hinckley s fixation on actress jody foster. the letters were assumed to be love type letters. what dateline continues. tell me why. have you tried downey rinse and refresh. down i didn t rinse and refresh. down any will get your heart racing and prices that you know every day. the designer sales up to 70% off. shop gilt.com today. two scoops of ice cream and two thumbs up. get two months of service free. all with fast, reliable nationwide coverage. make the switch today. did you know taking at night relieves while you sleep for a more productive sleep. and get 24-hour relief. i m here to tell you about ab all new special offer from my friends at jacuzzi bathroom remodel that you don t want to miss. they have been making water feel great for 25 years. we re waiving all installation cost. they have a design that you ll love at a price that you can afford. best of all, they can install in as little as one day with no stress and no mess p are you ready to see your new shower? 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either politically motive or he s just racy. reporter: they learned that his motives were not at all by political. he was fueled by an obsession by an actress, jody foster. dear jody. i will be killed in my attempt to get reagan. it is for this reason that i m writing you this letter now. retired fbi agent phenomenon baker. he wanted to impress her and win her heart. i have to do something that i m doing all of this for your sake. reporter: the fbi needed to talk to foster. when the agents arrived at yale university, where she was a student, the actress was visibly upset. she said that hinckley started arriving her soon after she arrived on campus the previous fall and had not stopped. was he threatening? what was he like? i m not allowed to say. letters were assumed to have been love type letters. have you ever seen hinckley, that you know of? no, not to my knowledge, i have never met him. reporter: he was attending a yale writer s program. that was a lie. he was not there. he was there living in a hotel and stalking jody foster. reporter: this note was left for her just weeks before the shooting. jodie, good-bye, i love you 6 trillion times. you must admit, i am different. it would make all of this worthwhile. reporter: when did the obsession of jodie foster s obsession began? 1976. he saw the movie taxi driver. she plays like a prostitute in the movie. and he became obsessed with her. he identified with bickle. he thought he was going to asass nature and die in the guns like bickle did. reporter: but hinckley considered other options first, like hijacking a plane and even killing the woman that he claimed to love. his plan was to kill jodie foster, shoot him, her or shoot himself in front of her. return they thought this could be the basis of an insanity defense. and they hired dr. carpenter. carpenter met with hinckley for months and charted his unraveling. what was his relationship like with his parents? it wasn t anything like childhood neglect or trauma. reporter: but hinckley started to with withdrawl from high school. and they the parent took him to a therapist. at one point, they cut him off. reporter: it backfired. they re kind of dark and anticipatory things in it is compatable with a lonely life. if i wish, the president will fall and the world will look at me in disbelief. reporter: by the end of his evaluation, carpenter concluded that hinckley was legally insane. his official diagnosis? 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i m immortally i am infamous, but i m dead inside. he tried to take his own life. but he seemed to have a moment of clarity of the shooting. there are times that i m sad about the incident. but other times i m satisfied. reporter: he was almost giddie. it will be a miracle, almost a miracle if i m found not guilty. reporter: the damage that hinckley caused it was on people s mind. he could have changed the course of history. yes. this foolish, young man could have changed the course of history. reporter: secret service sergeant mccarthy and president reagan. officer deli that was forced to retire early. but it was brady, where he had severe brain damage and paralysis. nbc news legal analyst. at the time of the hinckley trial, the prosecution had the burden to prove each and every element of the crime, including the defendant s sanity. reporter: the prosecution began by showing jurors footage of the shooting. they argued that he was not sick when he pulled the trigger, just a narcissistic. he told me his goal to be on the cover of time magazine. reporter: the obsession, the prosecutors said it did not prove he was insane. he was interested in committing a crime and fell aupon taxi driver. reporter: hinckley thought that the trial was the perfect stage for his story. jodie, everyone in the whole wide world knows about us. i think what i did was worth it. in the courtroom, the prosecutors argued that hinckley knew exactly what he was doing what he shot the president, that it was a premeditated plan months in the making, and originally with a different target. he actually had been talking the previous president, jimmy carter. reporter: in the fall of 1980, he bought guns and went target shooting and followed carter on the campaign trail. we recovered news footage of carter at different rallies in the fall. reporter: john hinckley had plans to kill president jimmy carter? yes. it just never worked out for him. so he switched his attention to president reagan after he became president. reporter: when it was the defense s turn. they said that his judgment was impaired by schizophrenia elusions. the only meaningful thing in his life was his delusional attachment to jodie foster. he developed the grandiose view of jodie and hims a couple. he felt this is something that everybody should know about, killing carter, killing reagan. he needed something that would cause attention to this. reporter: and his attempts to contact foster was to show them that they were meant to be. he reported a phone call between himself and the actress. i cannot carry on conversations with people that i don t know. reporter: jodie did not appear at trial but she was video week earlier. how would you describe your relationship with john hinckley? i don t have any relationship with john hinckley. her words infuriated him. in his diary that note, he threw a pen at her and shouted, jodie i m still going to kill you. oh, my god, what have i done? 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yes. i didn t for a moment it could be the otherwise. by the fourth day, the verdict was in. the verdict on john hinckley, not guilty by reason of insanity turned the country upside down today turned the upside down today. to say that america was shocked by the verdict is an understatement. they were furious. not everyone was up in arms. surprisingly president reagan had found peace with hinckley. my father had forgiven him, a day or so after being shot, he had forgive convenient forgiven him. my mother, on the other hand, she would have killed him if she could have got her hand on him. he entered the final entry in his dairy. it is all over. i m not responsible for shooting the president and three others. what does jodie think now. you re going to a treatment facility. and only when you re better will you be released. hinckley was sent to saint elizabeth hospital in washington d.c. , one of the oldest psychiatrist hospitals in the country. he was put on anti-psychotic drugs. it seemed to trust. john and leslie metro at a halloween party. reporter: she was a fellow patient at st. elizabeth. she wrote about hero man tick relationship with hinckley. leslie was described by neighbors and family, friend and even her ex-husband as a perfect woman and mother and she killed her child. reporter: she was convicted for her crime and sent to the contradict hospital. today the old grounds closed. the buildings abandoned. what was it like when you came here the first time? you know, it was different from it is now. but leslie and john used to communicate from a window, not this building, but a similar one, three floors up where he was. reporter: she was more than a decade holder than hinckley and like him came from an upper background and educated. when she told him who he was, he did not care. she said i did so much worse than he did. i killed my own child. she took her gun and shot her child and then herself. her injuries wore so severe, she amputated her arm. she never understood people s shock for her love with hinckley. people ask why would he have a relationship with him. why would he have a relationship with me? he talked at chaperone events orbit window. by the following year, hinckley was in love and did something that no one ever expected. he proposed. and she accepted. walsh said they became each other s confidants. hinckley trusted her with his darkest moments. he said that he went through the terrible percents of shame and guilt, particularly when he would see brady, the press secretary that he shot. reporter: after three years of treatment, devoluntary was released. but got a job at the hospital, so hinckley still saw her regularly. the staff at the mental hospital condoned this relationship, even supported it? yes, they did because they saw it as a healthy growth. reporter: but they learned that he was in an astonishing relationship with someone else, ted bundy who was on death row. dear john, i think we have something going on here. it is pleasure to find someone i feel comfortable writing. reporter: the secret service discovered that hinckley started the corresponds. dear ted, i read about your new death order and it upsets me because i m against the death penalty and i value you as a friend. reporter: the doctors became more concerned that hinckley was still obsessed with jodie foster and had some 20 photos of her in a room. he considered writing to convicted killer charles manson. despite the letters, after four years, the hospital trusted hinckley enough to let him leave his building and rome the grounds freely. he devoluntary was still engaged and could walk outside together and have privacy. they went up to a little spot on the hill. they did not have sex the first time there, but after that, they did. on the ground. on the ground. a few years later, he went to court to make a bid for more freedom. but would a judge allow a man that stalked two presidents and tried to kill one of them back into society? 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they have no justification to hold him. reporter: but not everyone happy about hinckley s increasing freedom. the home that he retired to was in an upscale community in williamsburg, virginia, overlooking the 14th hole of the kings golf course. that concerned the secret service. in the past few years that played on that tee, president obama, former president clinton. these are the people that played golf in williamsburg, and this fellow is only 50 feet away. reporter: despite the federal prosecute s protest, the judge followed saint elizabeth s recommendation and granted hinckley more and more time with his parents, time that no longer included his fiancee leslie devoe. after 22 years, the relationship was over. do you know why the relationship over? being identified public as his girlfriend was hard for her. the secret service was always coming to her door. it became too much. reporter: hinckley s focus was now solely on being permanently released from saint elizabeth s. in 2016, a judge granted his request. the man that attempted to assassinate president ronald reagan is now free from a mental hospital. hinckley s father had died. so he would live for his 90- year-old mother for at least for a year. not all of hinckley s new neighbors were convinced that was a good idea. bring him here and put him under the care of his 90-year- old mother seems to be a pretty foolish decision. we know medicine is not an exact science. few things are. so i just hope they re right. i m a layperson. i m not a psychologist or psychiatrist. but it doesn t seem to me that people with these kind of severe mental problems are ever really, truly cured. reporter: still, hinckley was not completely free. the secret service would keep an eye on him. and there was a long list of court mandate the rules that he had to follow. among them therapy, medication, limited travel. no media interviews or contact with his victims relatives or jodie foster. but ron reagan was still concerned. my worry is that his narcissistic personality or the will be affronted and he will not get the attention that he feel he s owed and he will act out again in some violent way. reporter: there is greater awareness and empathy in those that suffer from mental illness. but insanity laws are much stricter. states were in a rush to change to insanity defenses. some states instituted guilty, but mentally ill. reporter: in federal course. the burden of proof has shifted to the defense team that must prove that the defendant is insane. if hinckley were tried under the new law, many believe, he would be convicted. do you know what he s doing with himself? he volunteers at a church. he goes on walks. he established a bunch of friends over time. reporter: he got a job of sorts buying and selling and antiques at a low mall. and it appears found romance again. i trust the doctors and the people that have been treating him. i trust their decision. reporter: hinckley childhood friends believe he has earned a second chance and wish him well. i don t expect we ll see him at our high school reunion, i d welcome him. reporter: but president reagan s son believes that the man that tried to assassinate a president, even insane, should not be go free. the crime that he committed was not just a crime another person. it was a crime against a state. the penalty has to be drastic and permanent. reporter: and in 2020, the court relaxed the conditions of hinckley s release, even further. among his new freedoms, he was able to publicly display his artwork and his name. he seemed content. during one of his mental health evaluations, he told doctors, this is the happiest i ve been in my life. i m happy as a clam, to be honest. i really am. be honest. i really am. jr. who four decades after shooting an american president appeared at peace with his past. that s all for this edition of dateline. # thank you for watching. . good morning. and welcome to the saturday edition of morning
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