shannon and i will be back in an hour. outnumbered starts right now. this is outnumbered. here with us today and today s hashtag one lucky guy, tv personality and veterans advocate, montel williams. he s back and outnumbered. welcome back. good to be back. it s great to see you. you guys have been firing up every day. as much as i can catch you, i catch you. that s nice. that s great. i want to make sure i m prepared if you ever did ask me back. that s what i said last time, too. just a couple of weeks ago with the release of sergeant and montel, you played a huge role on that and i think on behalf of everyone in the studio, thank you. thanks to all the fox viewers. were it not for you guys putting extra pressure on and believe me, the mexican government understood that. lawyers involved understood that but i just talked to andrew yesterday. this story is not over and i have to make sure america remembers, there s another 2,000, 3,000 andrews. they may not have been in jail but they re suffering. this young man is diagnosed with combat ptsd and now he truly is that s stockholm syndrome and we haven t had anybody treated for that in this country for 25 years. this man is sitting in limbo right now. i talked to him yesterday and i m trying to talk to him every day. a lot of marines are sending hope and help and we re trying to reach out to different the c.i.a. report despite word from a phone call from secretary of state john kerry to hold off. john kerry warning this is going to jeopardize men and women in the field now as well as relationships that we have with our allies. is this intelligence and this alleged torture tactic getting out? rock and a hard place. so sorry. this whole country is in between a rock and a hard place on this issue. we have to remember that we signed on to treaties years and years ago that said we wouldn t do certain things. i m not going to argue whether they were done or they weren t. what i m going to say is right now, we re sitting in a position where even administration, when we come back to the central issue, that central issue is, had this never happened, we wouldn t have to worry about releasing reports. let s just say one thing about this. those who would give up central liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. that s benjamin franklin. in the last hour we talked about the fact they puts people in imminent danger and that to him as someone who has been there, who has been in the field, who is so respected, that is illogical. it makes no sense. it s hard to ignore that opinion. i ve been in the field, too. these techniques have been stopped, these are techniques allegedly used in the bush administration so why now if they ve been stopped? i have some questions about that. i want to go straight to senator dianne feinstein, though, because she s exiting her role as the chairperson of the intel committee as you mentioned. it isn t just getting the report out. she s pushed against the white house because they wanted to redact 15% of it. she wants people to see what she had to say on the reported. i would ask, is this personal? why the timing now? the other part of this, though, and you talk about the general that i spoke to this morning. he said they didn t talk to one person who was doing the interrogating about this report. if they put it out there and it endangers us, is it worth it if it might not be as fact ral as it could be? brit hume called the timing of this inhe c ehe ca ehe ca eh inexplicable. they could be trying to get this off her desk or changing the narrative. the last time democrats were screaming about this, they were winning elections. they defeated tom delay s electoral map to take the house with this exact discussion. are they trying to return to that? i think so and i think the fear is that if it s delayed and she s no longer heading the committee, is this dropped altogether and then will she be held accountable by some members of community that you didn t handle this correctly? this is a promise, remember, barack obama has been talking about it for a long time. my key point is the justice department investigated this. they found no criminal charges. they filed no criminal charges. why are they doing this now? and the issue here, people keep saying this is the wrong time. they should delay this. when is it a good time to release it? never going to be a good time. look in the 1970 s. i talked to k.t. mc far mand mc farland right now. you had a similar situation and you also gutted the c.i.a. such that in the 1980 s for the first time, we saw people plotting in caves against us, ala al qaeda. her big question is not only about timing but when would a good time ever be? i remember one of the first things administration did when president obama came into office was pursue legal action for techniques. this is a return to that even though the techniques had been stopped. it makes you wonder, why now? united states has transferred six guantanamo bay detainees to uruguay. this is the largest grup to leave the prison since 2009 and the first to be resettled in south america. group includes four syrians, one palestinian and one tunisian. that brings the number of prisoners now hit at gtmo down to 136. once administration gets that number below 100, it s believed the president will push to bring the remaining detainees to a u.s. facility. i want to go on this one. this is a little different than what we saw with the birdall transfer. this is a release. former federal prosecutor was on earlier and he said there s no preconditions with this one. not like in qatar where they have to watch the detainees. they are free to go today, the he wants to make sure they understand at the end of this, he wants to get stuff done that he promised initially and he wasn t forgetting about them. i would take it a further step than that. it wasn t just a campaign promise. first week of his presidency in 2009 he signed an executive order to make this happen. so it was more than just i might get it done. i am going to get this done. it s 2014, almost the next year. 2015. it still hasn t been done yet. so my question, is this a slippery slope? are we looking at a situation where he s going to expedite the closing of gtmo and then how do we hold the other countries responsible and accountable for when these guys leave their soil and go do horrible things? and we get rid of the most dangerous. that was the concern with the birdall flop. they got rid of the most dangerous ones. you can almost justify, the really dangerous ones are out of there. low level offenders are not as big of a deal. no preconditions. they can walk today. why send them to a country that can t at least keep them on house arrest or monitor them? not saying qatarg to do a great job but i have no idea why the president thought he could do this. i get what you re saying by attempting to close this. it s impossible for him to close guantanamo bay in the next two years. it s not going to get done. here are six people they put back out in the field to go back to work. right. and they ll be heros when they return. with regard to other countries watching, if we couldn t keep up with the brothers who, you know, suspected of pulling off the boston bombing, if we couldn t do that on our own soil and we have an n.s.a. that it practically look at each naval on the couch, if we can t do it, why do we expect other countries to? it will be easier for him to end it if he doesn t acknowledge what they re doing. new questions about an explosion ive article on roll stone magazine that sparked demonstrations on one college camp us and shut down the greek system. now the magazine is apologizing for the story but how did the mainstream media get duped so easily? and you ve seen the protests in response to the recent grand jury decisions of the police killings. the law school is now allowing students to postpone their final exams if they feel traumatized by what happened. and right after the show, catch more from the couch on the web. join us for the famous outnumbered overtime by logging on to fox news.com/o news.com/outnumber news.com/outnumbered. comments, anything you would like to hear more about. fox news.com. out for a bike rid before you begin an aspirin regimen. that s the way i look at life. looking for something better. especially now that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. i was taking warfarin, but wondered if i kept digging, could i come up with something better. my doctor told me about eliquis. for three important reasons. one, in a clinical trial, eliquis was proven to reduce the risk of stroke better than warfarin. two, eliquis had less major bleeding than warfarin. and three, unlike warfarin, there s no routine blood testing. don t stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don t take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. those three important reasons are why eliquis is a better find for me. ask your doctor today if eliquis is right for you. information, there s discrepancy in the account and we ve come to the conclusion that the trust in her was misplaced. that sparked outrage from activists saying the magazine was blaming the victim. then rolling stone said given all the reports, however, we ve come to the conclusion we were mistaken in jackie s request to not contact the university. meantime, groups representing frats and sororities, urging u.v.a. to end the suspension of greek organizations saying it s hurt the reputation of students who had nothing to do with the allegations. this story has been incredible to me. how they released this without investigating it properly is beyond me. that s a whole other conversation about journalist. but at this point, the apology, which they ve just changed, is this enough? they originally blamed the victim and now they re saying it s our fault. rolling stone was had. they were had. big time. they re a mess. they re an absolute mess. we talked about the death of legitimate journalism on this couch. this is evidence of that. what rolling stone did by essentially being lazy and all too quick to jump to push this narrative of rape culture forward is it turned rape on a serious the worse thing a woman could go through into a national joke and trivialized this. i think this reporter, sabrina, should be fired immediately and never aa aa neverallowed to write again. the washington post said two of her friends were not consulted. they didn t even bother talking to the friends. the friends were asked last night if that was their account and they said, no. that s not what we said. what about the editors? where were the editors? i ve been a journalist for a long time. you never run a one source story. that was just incredible to me, especially on something so serious that is going to cause so much reaction. you know, if the reporter was sucked in and didn t want to check the sources, there should have been several editors saying if we re going to put the name of our may go sglen on the line and our reputation, we have to at least talk to the other side. i mean, this is honestly unheard of in journalism. i want to talk about the effect of this on sexual assault victims around the country. will this make them less likely to speak out or what is the effect on them? this is a problem that exists around the country. this is a real scary problem. we want people to feel comfortable coming forward. the fact we re asking a question, there s some woman sitting at home, if something happened to her last night, she s going, i m not going to pick up the phone. somebody s daughter feels that way right now listening to this discussion right here. now we re not judging the victim but judging whether or not the victim was telling the truth or whether or not i m not commenting on what we re talking about. i m just selling you, there s a girl at home who heard this conversation and said i m not going to say a word to anybody. and now she suffers in silence. what do we do? maybe change the narrative from one of whether or not, you know, rolling stone they got it wrong. they were wrong. and the public should let them know by not buying the may gazm. any young lady out here right now today, even listening to this conversation right here among four women, if you were abused yesterday, you have the right to come forward. skip the news report. go see somebody. go to the police. let s also talk about the fact that it s 2014, maybe 2015 and we still allow police departments, municipalities called university polices, police officers to investigate these crimes on campuses. these are people some of these people don t even have a job, have been university police officers for 15 years and that s the person who is going to investigate the rape of your daughter? never been in the field? i think a lot of these universities take this issue very seriously. a lot of them don t take it as seriously as they should. i think they feel a very, very huge amount of pressure from the white house and this administration to take it seriously and i think schools like u.v.a. to think that they did nothing about this. if the story was true, which it s not. i m not going to the story. i don t think there s women saying they re not going to come forward because of the conversation we re having right now. no. i disagree. i think rolling stone put someone out there who didn t have a credible story. it s rolling stone s fault that someone at home is having second thoughts about this. if you re going to come forward, you should come forward and you shoulding telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. what about the university here and what about these fraternities that have been tarnished that are saying we did nothing wrong and now we re labelled as x, y and z? what should they be doing? right now they re trying to get a repeal on the moratorium on them. they haven t been able to operate as they had been before the article came out. they re appealing the process with the university so i ve read as of yesterday, it hadn t been revolved yet so they could open their doors on the way they usually operate. a couple of things come to mind about this whole thing with the journalistic end of it. this young woman according to the two friends you mentioned and others that they ve since talked about because the washington post now talked with people, have said something happened that night and it may not have been the way that jackie said it did but they witnessed a change in her, that something happened. and that is my concern. that throughout this whole process, because rolling stone didn t do its due diligence, they didn t get to the truth. maybe she just simply couldn t tell it. maybe she was bad at telling it. she was drunk that night. whatever the situation is. but they fell down in two counts. not just in journalism but they let her down, too. the hope is that someone will get to the true story and it won t deter anyone who is suffer to go come forward. rolling stone is now fiction. you can categorize in the fiction section at libraries. protests not to indict white police officers in the deaths of black men turning violent over the weekend and it comes as a new poll think that relations between white and black communities have gotten worse since president obama was elected. is it really his fault? speaking of the grnd jury decisions, one of the top law schools in america letting students delay their finals if they re suffering, quote, trauma from all of this. is that any way to treat future lawyers, columbia? you re driving along, switch to liberty mutual insurance and you could save up to $423 dollars. call liberty mutual for a free quote today at see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. california, police firing tear gas after they say protestors threw rocks and bottles at them. president obama addressed racism during his weekly address. watch. this something that is deeply rooted in our society, in our history but the two things that are going to allow us to solve it, number one, is the understanding that we have made progress and so it s important to recognize as painful as these incidents are, we can t equate what s happening now to what was happening 50 years ago. and from that interview, we go to this. a new poll finding 53% of adults say race relations have gotten worse since president obama took office in 2009. it s worth noting, 45% of blacks agreed with what you re looking at there. i want to go to you first. i really have one overarching question. we ve moved weeks beyond the first non indictment, grand jury non indictment that was ferguson, missouri and now we ve had a second here in new york city but we re talking days from that. what do people in the streets want? if you look at what happened in berkeley and oakland, those people weren t even out there because of this issue. lights start to get ba to where we should probably attempt to do this for the first time in reality in this country and have a real discussion about race. we don t do it. we keep pointing at our directions, believing our people and making sure that you have to be wrong and you have to be wrong. we can t even stop for a second and have a discussion. until we do, this is going to happen. it s going to get worse. again, this was occupy. remember, let s look at the faces. zoom in a little bit. about three weeks ago in ferguson, you saw a majority of black faces. now you see multi ethnic, multi facial. so again, the discussion is not about are we more racist today than yesterday? do we hate more black people today than yesterday? why don t we have a discussion about what s the problem? and discuss it. i think one of the bigs big problems is financial. it has to do with the federal reserve policy. the main thing that s increased has been the stock market. that s obl benefitted people who are wealthy enough to invest there. i think that the income gap has widened dramatically. this is what i m talking about. this is excuse. we will not talk about the problem. you don t think money is part of the problem? no. look. if money is the problem, how about the fact right now we have over 53% of congress that are millionaires plus and 28% are multi millionaires and 15 years ago we didn t have that. so what s going on in despairity in this country, maybe the people passing some laws don t give a damn about the people no matter what color they are. i think we re making the same point. i don t think we were disagreeing there. let s talk race. race is the problem. in this country right now today, there are certain cities where blacks stand a chance of being incarcerated at 100 times more than any other race. in this city alone. you bring up the point, though, and it s you don t think that s financially motivated either? you don t think it s about people trying to make money? money drives all these things. it s just a game. seems like the only time we talk about this is when people are rioting in the streets. correct. something right now the narrative has become, how many buildings are they going to burn rather than let s get back to the actual thing. if people are upset about the court system in the country, i don t hear anybody talking about that. the problem is when i was in the midst of these protests in new york, though, what i saw from a lot of people, people taking selfies, people partying. there was a segment of the population that protest just to protest and aren t really interested in having a discussion. it s easy to blame president obama for this but it s not his fault. this is a community based problem. it has to start at the dinner table, among families. disrespe there s the word. family. the breakdown of the family. this is not something that s just in the black community. the breakdown of the american family among whites, hispanics, go down the list. and i do agree with you on the money perspective but i think family and the breakdown of family is a huge part of a lot of this. that s a huge issue. as long as we don t talk about the issue, it won t get solved. we ll shift over to the alma mater. columbia university is allowing its law school students to postpone their final exam if they feel like they re taum tied by the eric garner and michael brown shootings. it may be too much for them to bear. i m dying here z. we have arranged to have a trauma specialist next monday and wednesday for anyone interested in participating to discuss the trauma that recent events may have caused. students who feel their performance on examinations will be sufficiently impaired due to the recent events may have a petition to have their examinations rescheduled. are you okay? i can see me walking up to my professor right now and saying, sir, last week a crane broke in the middle of the street and i can t study for my exam right now because i don t understand why that crane broke. i m trying to do the math and i m so traumatized. are you kidding me? i think that makes more sense. they are claiming they re going to build high powered attorneys out of this program. what lesson are they teaching kids at this level that you can cry if you don t like a decision? drop out and major basket weaving. don t defend me in court. i want to go back to something melissa said. it isn t white, black, brown. it s grown. the despairity in wealth and creating jobs is a big issue here. i would challenge the universities, rather than letting the kids off the hook, have them a way to create jobs in this country and give extra credit for the exams they want to miss. if you re a parent as well, wouldn t you be ticked off? you re paying like $60,000 a year to go to columbia and your kid is given a break. if anything, that f that were my major, i would be more empassioned. i would be more ready to go. turn my life over to you. and to your point, harris, be a little creative in you re a professor. go to the constructive end of semester final exam. isn t this why you get into law? 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what about people in wheelchairs? facebook some people are saying bah humbug. you should do with the cry baby neighbors instead. somebody else said, again, move in next to these people and watch strange men pee on your lawn. hello. whoa. there always was that house and i remember growing up, i remember the house and we always used to drive by it and it reminds me a lot of bob bickell s house. he does thousands and thousands of lights and because he s bob it s hard for me to remember. i can t imagine people i was there. there are no facilities outside. that s the problem. no bathrooms. i was right with you until you mentioned the bushes. i can feel for the neighbors. this is like the griswolds, though. how much does it cost to light that? i tried to look into it. because they have 200,000 light bulbs. it s got to cost a fortune but they made a lot of money because it s been featured on various shows. do they charge? i don t think they charge. they let people in but they ve made a lot of money off shows and other things. online somebody said, what does a ferris wheel have to do with christmas? why not? i think they have it in the north pole. i saw it on the north pole movies. there s always like teddy bears and stuff going around. i watched the movie. think about this, though. people next door, you have guys standing in the bushes. maybe it can be set up for certain hours. how about a viewing stand? i don t know. also concerns i remember back in our how many town that around the lights, people would smoke marijuana and drive by. all kinds of great christmas traditions. thank you for that, andrea. the expiration dates on happy marriages may be happier than you think. why the seven year itch is revised upwards. uh-oh. here s some news you may find surprising. another record high. today a bit of backsliding and new revelations about the giant hack attack on sony. dow is such a flirt. it is. jon scott, good to see you. thanks, harris. i may be outnumbered but now it s my turn for this story. watch this. marital bliss may last longer than you think. seven-year itch has been a popular theory since marilyn monroe starred in the same movie in 1955. she became the love interest of a married man and since then psychologists have said some women begin to hit the rocks after seven years as couples get the roving eyes. a new study finds that a 10-year itch is actually closer to the truth. i m going to throw it to you guys but i m in my seventh year of marriage and i couldn t be happier in my life. no itching? not itchy in the least. okay. one thing i liked in the study, it said that couples begin to bibbingary the 10 years but then hit a new crescendo at 15 years. i ve been marry 15d years because i got married when i was 12 and so i was like, rock on. i ve made it. like i m through to the other side. there you go. 10 years, is that when stress comes to hit? you have some munchkins running around, you re saving for college, working, have daycare, i m wondering if that s 10 years of all that s precious. we ll be in the 12th in april. when we hit the 10th year, it s like with your body every 10 years, you do a reassessment of the things that are working, not working and i think marriage is the same way. there s decade points when you really start to take stock of what s working and what s not. if you love each other, you work on those things. if not, just take separate vacations. now the body analogy, i keep thinking about the body and how it gets sage and wrinkly. what are you talking about? you have to work at it. marriage spanx. there we go. andrea, we have come up with something. marriage spanx. patent office? it s christmas time. how about we help everybody how to make their relationships a little better right now. i have a tip for you. write this on the refrigerators today and before you discuss, you have a conversation with your discuss, read these lines. speak without offending and the second one is listening without defending. if you have a conversation, getting ready to happen over the holidays, grab your spouse by the hand, walk to the kitchen, look at the card and go, okay. speak without offending. listen without defending. that can defuse any kind of argument because you never point anybody out. i want to build on your theme. my husband always says never email before breakfast. i have low blood sugar. if there s a contractor or somebody that needs to be talked to, he says please email phil before breakfast. i know what that means. but i have to have coffee and a little something in my stomach before i can speak without offending. for good marriages? or relation shis. are you married? no. but i m saying she s like not after this i m not. people get itchy after a year, two years. are you asking if i have a saying? yeah. do you know what rhymes with friday? vodka. that s what s on my refrigerator. goodness. i guess i could help that. that helps. back to the theory, montel, some have a theory you change so much. i m not the same person i was when i was 20. you look the same. thank you. you re a very kind woman. you also need glasses. what about the theory that says longivity is not possible? it s not realistic because partners change so much. try to embrace the change rather than look at it as something that s offensive to your relationship. i embrace every change my wife has and i m lacking forward to the ones she s going to have five years from now. hollywood romance movie. it s about the first couple. their first date. actress has already been picked to portray michelle obama but who will be cast to play a young barack obama in his days of courtship? 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lewis was all talk and no action, news came out that he plans to spend martin luther king day tomorrow visiting the new smithsonian museum focused on african-american history and culture. john lewis is the one who introduced the bill to get that museum built in 1988. eugene, you touch on this. i want to push forward on it as well. facts do matter. trump called lewis district crime i hridden which does incl major part of the city of atlanta. no one is defining there is crime in the city. to try to define an entire city in 140 characters of less is a massive overgeneralization. what will happen when he is in office saying these type of things? well, if he continues this, he can expect to be criticized increasingly but more than that, people really would like to see what his solutions to the problems he arises are. he had a meeting with talk show host, steve harvey, and his hud secretary nominee friday saying they would focus on some of the challenges in inner cities such as housing. if you recall during the campaign, he put out a new deal for black america that he said would focus on high-paying jobs, improving schools and safer communities. all eyes will be on the president-elect to see if he is all talk and no action at this point. eugene, also, i want to talk about this. this started after lewis said he didn t believe that trump was a legitimate president. still, the topic of legitimacy. it came up during barack obama s presidency. my colleague, poppy harlow, touched on that speaking with conservative commentator. let s listen to this. i also think it is unprecedented that a congressman with a stature was able to come out and say i don t believe donald trump is a legitimate president. i cannot imagine the fallout and backfire you would have if a republican would have implied that about barack obama, bill clinton, or jfk for that matter? that is what many presidents did, including the president-elect, questioning the legitimacy of the first black president. ben ferguson making the point and poppy harlow back-checking making the counter point there. legitimacy has come up before. it has and very fraucoften f donald trump, our current president. we saw barack obama prove his birth certificate proving he was born in the united states, a very legitimate candidate for a looking for a leader that will be more bipartisan in his approach to dealing with the issues that affect the united states. to many critics, it doesn t appear that donald trump is that president but the fact is, as you mentioned, there is a lot of time left and there are people hoping to see significant change from him. many people that plan to attend saying they plan to keep an open mind to give this new president-elect a chance once he takes the oath of office. eugene scott, live in washington, d.c. eugene, thank you for your time. also, on the international stage, china is responding sharply to donald trump s suggestions that he might change the one china policy once in the white house. that is a long standing policy that means the united states recognizes relations with china and not with taiwan, which beijing considers to be a breakaway province. a spokesperson for china s foreign ministry said, quote, there is only one china in the world. taiwan is an inseparable part of chinese territory and the people s republic of china is the sole legitimate government regarding china. these are facts recognized by the international community and no one can change this. with regards to the president-elect s feelings thinking about russia, he says he is open to that nation seeing how it can have sanctions lifted, u.s. sanctions. he has indicated he is open about getting rid of those sanctions and he would be fine with meeting with the russian president, vladmir putin, after taking office. matthew chance is following the story live in moscow. the simple fact that president-elect trump is willing to meet with the russian president, how is that being perceived there in russia? they haven t made an official comment on that prospect except to say any meeting between president putin of russia and donald trump when he becomes president of the united states will be carefully arranged. in terms of the specifics, that s not been made public here in russia as, indeed, it hasn t been made public in the united states either, the subject of press speculation at the moment. clearly, the russians very much want to see this one-on-one meeting between the russian president and the president of the united states would be flattering to the kremlin, because it would portray them as being on an equal footing with the united states. that s been one of have the big objectives for the kremlin to be seen and treated as a player on the international stage and to have a seat at the top table. it is something that is speculated motivates vladmir putin very much. i think they would be very receptive to the idea of a sort of summit between the cold war style summit between these two leaders sgchlt will there a leaders. there are mixed messages. you hear the president-elect indicating that he would be open to lifting sanctions and open to meeting with vladmir putin at the same time. legislators have a different position. they say the united states should continue a tough stance with russia. in fact, it could potentially get tougher. how is that being viewed with everyday russians to try to square the circle with these mixed messages? if you are talking in terms of everyday russians, i think they believe it would be the president of the united states who would make the final decision? everybody is aware the significant opposition in the u.s. congress to closer relations with russia, i think that is characterized in the russian public as being the vestiging of cold war thinking in the united states p russians believe it is the guy at the top that makes the final decision. when it comes to the issue of sanctions, they are probably right. the vast bulk of the sanctions against russia were implemented by president obama as a presidential decree. it can be lifted just as easily with the simple stroke of a pen when donald trump becomes president of the united states. those sanctions that were imposed predominantly over the annex sayings of crimea m. matthew chance reporting for us in moscow. thank you for the reporting sgchlreporting. despite uncertainty about trump s policies towards nato, the alliance is push ago head with its show of resolve against russia. it is all prt art of nato s buip to convince moscow they will defend against the election. ru rush has brings ld againagainst reporter: the star spangled banner play ns poland welcome the u.s. troops for nato s operation atlantic resolve. this is the official welcoming ceremony for those u.s. troops. poland s prime minister is here. she made a point to say this is an integral part of poland s national security. that everyone had a right to feel safe and secure. this is what the arrival of u.s. troops here has done. poland s prime minister spoke to cnn after the ceremony. she said this is very important for poland and the region. we live in europe where there are many external threats. russia s policy is confrontational. this constitutes a real threat. we are conscious that poland must strengthen its alliances. it is an impressive rollout. four battalions of 1,000 soldiers each, more than 2000 pieces of military hardware including u.s. tanks and armored vehicles coming from the third armored brigade team out of ft. carson, colorado, here for nine months, deployed in poland, romania, hungary and bulgaria. a show of force to deter russia. there is no more powerful combat corporal ma combat formation in the united states army. this is another sign of the united states commitment to deterrence and our commitment to not only our polish allies but those allies in nato. u.s. tanks in poland, the kremlin says, are, quote, a real threat to russian security. still, in less than a week, moscow will have a new administration to face in washington and make its case for policy changes. russia may not be happy with this deployment but polish public opinion, that s another matter. this is just some of the armored vehicles and tanks that have been brought over for this operation. they have been put on display for the day here in poland to show the public some of the hardware that is coming across. it s all part of this effort to show that the nato alliance remains strong. that poland will be collectively defended. atika shubert, cnn, poland. still ahead, the first major foreign policy test for donald trump once he is in office. coming up, his ad hin administration invited to the next round table of the syrian peace talks. plus, france is hosting a peace conference on the israeli palestinian conflict. why that meeting is so controversial. live around the world, you are watching cnn newsroom. kazakhstan held three days after the donald trump is set to become the next president of the united states. let s bring in mohammed lia live in abu dhabi. what does it mean for the u.s. to be invited to the table for these talks? well, george, if the united states accept that is invitation, what it means they will have a seat at the table for the first time in months, if not years. this is going to be donald trump s first and major policy question mark. this is an issue with syria that many people would say was president obama s biggest failure that he oversaw the rise of iraq and syria and allowed al qaeda to take route in iraq and syria. the united states might have a role in trying to curtail some of that as well as help determine the future of bashar al assad. it is certainly a very big challenge and a big question mark of the obama administration trump is going to have to deal with three days after being inaugurated. of course, the other thing to mention, george, is that when the u.s. is invited to these peace talks, you have to remember these peace talks have been led by turkey and russia for several weeks, if not months now. so there was a point in time where american foreign policy in the region dictated that america would be able to lead these negotiations. in this case, it seems as though russia and turkey have advanced quite far in what they are hoping to achieve in syria. if trump does take that offer and decides to have the united states at that negotiating table, will it be in the position of simply an observer or will they have a meaningful role? that s something we won t know until those talks take place. an observer or meaningful role. this is being led by turkey, russia. the u.s. just invited to the talks. it was not invited when it came to brokering the actual peace deal. the question goes further. would the u.s. be at any sort of a disadvantage in even taking part in these talks? well, there is no question. you have to remember the major players are turkey, iran, and russia. they all have their own interests in syria. they all want to see some sort of settlements that gives each of those country what is they want. the big test for the united states moving forward in these peace talks is we ll have to see if the united states under the new trump administration is willing to play a bigger role in syria or whether they are planning to be more hands-off and essentially let turkey and russia dictate the terms of the see fire? the reason that is important, it will indicate something of president-elect donald trump s foreign policy. he is planning to fulfill his promise in terms of being more hands off and targeting only esis and leaving the other problems in the middle east of the country toss deal with themselves or will he be more interventionist and take a more active role than president obama did. so far, the indications are that given the closeness of donald trump and the warming up certainly of donald trump and russia, the question is, will the united states try to intervene and limit russia s gains in syria, so to speak, as a result of these syrian peace talks. if donald trump s words and statements are any indication, it may be the case where he may step back and let russia play the main role in this which would effectively give russia even more control in syria in a cease-fire and peace deal would be assigned. whether they attend or the u.s. decides not to attend, it will be a very important statement for the trump s administration or the u.s. stance in the world thank you so much for your reporting. to another peace effort that is underway. this one happening right now in paris. some 70 countries are meeting to pressure israeli and palestinian leaders to commit to a two-state solution. the racilies and palestinians they will not be attending that conference. the u.s. is represented but not by the incoming administration of donald trump. cnn s warren lieberman joins us live in jerusalem. the trump administration will not be there. israelis and palestinians will not be there. what, if anything, can truly come from this meeting. many other countries get together and talk about different ways to solve different solutions and deal with the most complex issues in the conflict. jerusalem borders refugees. this isn t the u.n. or the eu. many of those member countries are ripped. this is a conference on how to advance the peace process in some way. whatever comes out of this, it doesn t seem like it will have any practical, immediate effect. what worries the israelis is what comes out could be brought to the u.n. security council for a follow-up resolution. that is the concern the israelis are looking at right now, not the conference itself but how it plugs into the bigger issue of what s happened the last few weeks, the u.n. security resolution, the kerry speech and now this. warren, the meeting will be underway. some 70 countries will be there. will it put pressure on the israelis and palestinians to reach a solution? that certainly is the intent to get the sides back to the negotiating table as much as the statements have been made back and forth and the finger pointing. the truth is there hasn t been a negotiation since april of 2014. the pressure has no consequence. if one or both sides ignore what comes out of the conference, there is no cons fence equence ignoring it. my suspicion it will be very little. we will see statements from both sides. the israelis and palestinians aren t invited. this is supposed to be the rest of the world figuring out how to deal with the conflict and both sides wrere invited to a follow-on hand shake or symbolic sfoert of pea support of peace statement. we ll see what recommendations come out of this. it could be economic incentives to get back to negotiations. we ll see. the conference is supposed to last today. we will have statements afterwards to see what they came up with and see if there is a new idea of how to move forward. ice will be watching. palestinians and israelis will not be there. neither will the incoming trump administration. warren lieberman live in jerusalem. still ahead, not just donald trump s opponents who disagree with his policies. how the u.s. president-elect might face opposition in his own cabinet. broadcasting in the united states and around the world. you are watching cnn newsroom. happy about donald trump s suggestion that the united states could change its position on the one china policy once he is in the white house. a ministry spokesperson called the policy non-negotiable. also, donald trump firing back at john lewis after he said trump was not a legitimate president. trump responded by saying that the civil rights icon is all talk and no action. lewis is one of several that says he will boycott trump s inauguration come january 20th. john lewis is not the only one in washington not seeing eye to eye with donald trump. still some of trump s own cabinet picks seem to disagree with him on key issues. donald trump is facing a new round of opposition on capitol hill. not in democrats but his own cabinet nominees. at one confirmation hearing after another, trump s team is contradicting the president-elect on some of his key campaign trail promises. on russia, trump taking a far softer tone on vladmir putin than his pick for defense secretary, retired general james mattis did. if putin elects donald trump, i consider that an asset, not a liability. i have modest expectations about areas of cooperation with mr. putin. on the intelligence probe into russian hack, can trump sounded less concerned than mike pompeo. it is pretty clear about what took place here, about russian involvement in efforts to hack information and to have an impact on american democracy. i am very clear-eyed about what that intelligence report says. at trump tower friday, the president-elect down played the differences between his views and those of his perspective cabinet. i told them, be yourselves and say what you want to say. don t worry about me. i m going to do the right thing, whatever it is. i may be right. they may be right but i said, be yourselves. his rhetoric before the election and since is now colliding with governing. sending mixed signals to americans and allies about where the new trump administration stands. on the campaign trail, trump railed against nato while his defense secretary took a different view sxwrchlt th. nato is obsolete. it is over 60 years old. having served once as a nato sue pre supreme allied commander is the most successful military alliance in modern history. they spent time asking if they agreed on hot button issues like torture? congress is taking an action now. it makes it absolutely improper and illegal to use waterboarding or any other form of torture. on one of his biggest pledges of all, building a wall on the border with mexico. we are going to build a great border wall. his pick to lead the department of homeland security, retired general john kelly disagreed. it has to be a layered defense. secretary of state no, ma minee tillerson conflicted the view on climate change saying he believes it exists and require a global response. donald trump says he wants members of the cabinet to have their own views but whose views, the cabinet or the president, become the policy of the new administration. jeff zeleny cnn, washington donald trump says mexico will ultimately pay for a border wall with the united states. mexico says, that s not going to happen whachlt peop happen. what people are saying in mexico city. learn as much as i can about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it s a hat, but it s like the most important hat i ve ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com. prompt fear in security among the mexican people in this very vibrant city. the mexican pay so has plunged against the u.s. dollar and add to that the mexican government s decision to raise gas prices has sent thousands of protesters to the streets. others to the church. in mexico s holiest shrine where thousands go to pray, the hope is that a higher power is listening. concerns, worries, fears, can be left behind. ramon hernandez worries about the future, his family, the economy, when ford backed out of plans to build this new factory, his hometown lost potential jobs. the same administration that calls this a victory says mexico will eventually pay for a wall on the u.s. border. he tells me the idea sounds crazy. he is not alone. president-elect is better off paying for a wall to be built around his own home. making mexicans pay for a wall on the border is just a threat. counsel general carlos garcia acknowledges his job as a top diplomat for the u.s. has changed. reporter: will plex co-pay for that wall? no way. the president of mexico, president pena nieto and the entire government of mexico again and again have said mexico won t pay for the wall. reporter: garcia calls the relationship between the two countries one of the most complex in the world. i respect the government of mexico. i respect the people of mexico. i love the people of mexico. . reporter: does that improve anything? it doesn t fix but it helps. we need to change language. it is time now to start speaking with respect. p pedro adds, the respect must go both ways. even he and a lot of his fellow mexicans recognize this may take an intervention perhaps from the divine p. reporter: we talked to about 20 mexicans across this city, many echoing similar sentiments repeating the words humiliation, racism. saying, let s wait and see what happens. i couldn t nifind one person wh believed that mexico will ever pay for this wall. leila santiago, cnn, mexican city. thank you so much. now, to talk about cold weather that continues to plague many parts of european, let s bring in cnn s allison chinchar to talk more about that. with the cold, you often get snow. up fortunately, some may think. specially ski resorts. they love to have snow. you can have too much of a good thing. take a look at this. this is from the down hill skiing world cup, canceled on saturday due to too much snow. they picked up about 40 centimeters of snow overnight friday night. crews just couldn t get to the cleanup process fast enough. winds around 70 kilometers hindering. as they would clean it up, the wind would blow it right back over into the same spots. they were forced to cabs that will event. we are expecting more snow on the way as we head into the next week. a surge of cold air that will be return tog unfortunately a lot of the same spots that got a look at the cold. up near the alps, we could be looking at an additional 40-60 centimeters on top of what they have already had. tuesday, incredibly high amounts in the pyrenees, as much as 100 centimeters of snow. the dreaded cold blast coming in. notice where the pink and purple colors are. that s where we are going to see the focus. prague, for example, the average high, 1 degree celsius. we won t get to that for the next seven days. we will be about 8-10 degrees below that average. on the other side of the atlantic, we are keeping a close eye on the ice storm. here is a look at some of the amounts of ice that have already accumulated. we are talking about almost 1.25 of a centimeters. around kansas, about a half centimeter. 1 in joplin, missouri. as high as those numbers are, we are actually expecting more ice accumulation on top of it. the purple areas right here could pick up an additional .5 to 1.5 p of ice. we are talking widespread power outages that could be affected with a lot of these regions. if you have travel plans, please check with your air travel carrier before you do so. stay in touch with you and our meteorologists as we continue to follow. thank you so much, allison. still ahead, the legacy of michelle obama. we look back at her years as america s first lady. stay with us. sometimes you justw when you hit a home run. that s how i feel about blue-emu pain relief spray. odorless and fast-acting. it soothes all my muscle aches and pains. and it s convenient for those hard to reach places. and if you re like me, you ll love blue-emu super strength cream. it s made with real emu oil, it s non greasy, it s a deep penetrating formula that works itself down into your joints. take it from me. it works fast and you won t stink. blue-emu, it works for me it ll work for you. remember the family back then. barack is home at least once a week and we are really doing family stuff. reporter: on the campaign trail, young malia and sasha talk about the weirdness of seeing their parents in magazines. pretty cool. because you see people like angelina jolie. real important people, no offense. mommy is important. the beginning was not so easy. moving into the white house where the bullet proof windows can t be open, the secret service always there. she recently described that first day. i will never forget that winter morning as i watched our girls just 7 and 10 years old pile into those black suvs with all those big men with guns. i saw their little faces pressed up against the window and the only thing i could think was, what have we done? reporter: she did face criticism, even before the election. for the first time in my adult lifetime, i am really proud of my country. soon after that, portrayed on this new yorker cover, today, how far she has come. on the cover of vogue three times. she has long since found her footing, her causes. by her husband s second term, she eernlg med much more comfortable in public, polished but loosening up in more ways than one? roses are red, violets are blue, you are the president, and i am your boo. the first lady seemed to not only accept the public eye and the constraints of the white house. there are prison elements to it. but it is a really nice prison. to embrace the opportunity to let her voice be heard including her fashion voice, taking some risks, competing with the best of them and making headlines. remember the bangs. we borrowed one of michelle s tricks. p america has seen michelle obama, harvard educated lawyer and mother, use her humor, hr star power, even her viral mean power occasionally shedding light on what it is like to raise now teenagers in these circumstances. we have one who generally stays here and then we have one we call our grumpy cat. our salty business kit. as her time in office drew down, the once reluctant, now determined first lady drew upon her sweeping popularity to enter the campaign trail as one of the most powerful voices for her party, earning her nickname, the closer. i wake up every morning in a house that was built by slaves. and i watch my daughters, two beautiful, intelligent, black young women, playing with their dogs on the white house lawn. she took on donald trump s access hollywood tapes. it has shaken me to my core in a way i couldn t have predicted. it is cruel. it is frightening. the truth is, it hurts. reporter: speaking her mind even after the election. we are feeling what not having hope feels like. in her final speech as first lady, her emotion raw. she urged americans not to give up you, to celebrate diversity and talent. thank you for everything you do for our kids and our country. being your first lady has been the greatest honor of my life. i hope i have made you proud. does this mean the first lady has embraced the public eye and loves hanging out with the press. she doesn t do interviews very often. her staff is extremely protective of her and selective about what she does and when. post white house, we expect first there will be a vacation. the first couple has mentioned many times is badly needed. they will settle into their rented house in d.c. where they will stay for a couple of years until sasha finishes high school. we expect the first lady to keep working on issues she believes in although she has insisted many times now that she will not run for public office. michelle kosinski, cnn, the white house. thanks so much for reporting. now, to a follow-up story we have been reporting an p the young woman kidnapped as an instant and only recently found 18 years later. she ways taken from a florida hospital by someone posing as a nurse. she was taken when she was only a few hours old. she met with her birth parents for the first time on saturday. that is her father, this person you see here. he says that the meeting went well and that he told his daughter he loved her. first meeting was beautiful, wonderful. it couldn t have went no better. what is the first thing she said to you? are you planning to bring her to here? we are taking it one step at a time. that reunion came after an emotional meeting the previous day when mobley visited gloria williams, williams is in jail. williams is awaiting a hearing on kidnapping charges. say it ain t so. the american circus known as the greatest show on earth is shutting down fr good. the parent company of ringling brothers barn number aum and ba says it is closing the 100-year extravaganza. the last show will happen in may. they dropped elephants as featured performers last year and business suffered. the ceo explained the decisions and says the tickets have been declining but following the transitions of the elephants. we saw a more dramatic drop. this coupled with high operating costs made the circus an unsustainable business for the company. a successful launch and return for a spacex falcon 9 rocket on saturday. four, three, two, one. liftoff. falcon 9. always so cool to see that. it blasted off from a us air force base in california carrying ten communications satellites. this was the first launch for the private space company since a similar rocket exploded in september. it was followed by a smooth return landing for the rocket s first stage booster and then collided on to an ocean platform known as the drone ship. spacex and its rivals have been trying to perfect the landing, because reusing the rocket is the key to making space travel more affordable. from outer space now to your inner peace, this newly discovered buddha statue has been sitting undisturbed in a southeastern china reservoir for hundreds of years. archaeologists say it dates back to china s ming dynasty. the top of the buddha s head appeared when the water level dropped. remnants of a temple have also been found below the water. that wraps this hour of cnn newsroom. i m george howell at the cnn news center in atlanta. i ll be back after the break with more news from around the world. thank you for watching cnn, the world s news leader. if you have medicare decision guide. it could help you find the aarp medicare supplement plan that works for you. these types of plans have no networks, so you get to choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. rates are competitive, and they re the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. remember - these plans let you apply all year round. so call today. because now s the perfect time to learn more. go long.
so what have you learned? reporter: well, anderson, u.s. officials tell cnn that last year the u.s. intelligence used a dossier as part of a justification to get a warrant to secretly monitor carl as one of the sources of information that the bureau has used to defend or to support its investigation. this includes approval from the secret court that oversees the foreign intelligence surveillance act known as fisa, to monitor page s communications. the fbi and the justice department would have had to present probable cause that he was acting as an agent of a foreign power, mobile engaging in foreign intelligence gathering for a foreign government. comey and other fbi officials would have had to sign off on russian spies. pai page denies he knew these were russian agents. page says he took a trip independently, that he expressed his own views and overall, he has disputed anything was illegal in his interactions with the russians. he sent us a statement that reads in part, i look forward to the privacy act lawsuit that i plan to file in response to the civil rights violations by obama administration appointees last year. the discovery process will be of great value to the united states as our nation hears testimony from them under oath and we zee disclosure of the documents. pa should also point out carter page when i interviewed him said he did get permission from the trump campaign, he didn t mention who he got permission from to travel to moscow and give that speech and he also met with several people. joining us to talk about it is our panel. philadelph phil, let s start with you, you ve been with the fbi, you ve been with the fisa courts, what did the fbi have on trump besides this dossier? i don t think this takes us a great deal forward, if you re going to go to a fisa court, that judge is going to you re going to go in with intercepts, directly from the russians with the national security agency would have picked up. you might have even sources, i want someone who i can identify who s directly in contact with you. if you contrast that with what we have here, a former british officer has an informant in moscow, maybe with a sub informant, passing that information up to the fbi, that s a game of phone that goes three or four links down the chain, the court is not going to look at that and the department of justice would not look at that as an important source of information in this case. what it means is that the fbi had a number of things they could present to the judge, this unverified dossier was a minor part of it perhaps. knowing what we know about the fisa court and how, any judge, these are serious judges that push back pretty hard when you come to them with a warrant. it suggests to me they either had corroborating information from that information in the dossier, or they had something that lent it credence. and phil you agree with that? absolutely. if you ve got a department of justice attorney, he s got a reputation for years in the fisa court. he doesn t want to have the judge to say get out of here and then go in tomorrow a. we do know from other reporting that the fbi has looked into the allegations in that dossier and did confirm some stuff and not other stuff. maybe that was part of that process. in order to obtain a fisa warrant in the first place, the fbi would have had to present probable cause that carter page was participating in intelligence gathering for a foreign government, right? the fisa court rarely turns down his applications, it s less than 1%. it s not probable cause like we state in the constitution, the fourth amendment of probable cause of a crime, it s probable cause that you could be a foreign agent. it s a standard that s easy to meet. i certainly agree that this would not do that. this is a city quite frankly that is awash in russian money, there s so much russian money on capitol hill with both democratic and republican operatives and surprising the ruble isn t accepted at mcdonald s. there s a lot of russian and chinese money in this city. so when i read in report, it doesn t distinguish him in terms of potential criminal conduct, was he an agent of russia or was he perhaps a convenient conduit to the trump campaign. these are questions that are not answered by this evidence. your point is a good one, is there still a live torpedo in the water that s not in this dossier. it is interesting that part of the problem for the trump administration is donald trump himself did say carter page was one of his five national security advisors early on at a time when he was under pressure to name somebody. you would think if there had actually been some vetting, maybe they would have rethought naming him, but clearly, it points to just the kind of, i don t know if chaos is the right word that was in the transition team at the time, they were just desperate. if you remember, most of the national security community came out against him and wrote a letter saying that they, you know, not only were they not endorsing him, they were coming out to oppose him, so he had this hodgepodge of a few people, and it s unclear how instrumental they really were to the campaign. the trump campaign says he wasn t that instrumental, he was a volunteer, he wasn t someone who was actually paid on the campaign. but the thing about the dossier, the only part of the dossier that s relevant would be the allegation that he was there on behalf of the trump administration, having conversations, quid pro quo conversations about sanctions and business opportunities. so if it s brought up in any context, does it suggest that the court bought that? it suggests to me, as anderson was saying earlier, that the fbi had something before hand that led director comey, after the embarrassment of the admission on hillary clinton, to come out again, as the fbi never does, and say they had a case open. they had their own independent investigation, and came out and said maybe there s a bit or two here, but it was not the primary source. but it may not have been the primary source, but assuming they included it in the fisa package. if carter page, we know according to carter page, he says the trump campaign cleared it for him to go to moscow, it was very possible that page was bragging in moscow, saying he had been in meetings with donald trump, he was using the russian term for the word meeting, and the rally that thousands of people were in that we all saw on television. but he never actually met with the president. but isn t this just a case of a guy who was in the campaign, but he wasn t essential, just kind of bragging in moscow about his connections to the campaign? you know, i don t think it does. and let me a name that occurred to me tonight, and of course the other side of the story is that you ve got people on the republican side saying that the obama administration was spying on the trump campaign. believe it or not, the name that flashed into my head tonight was james mccord, and for those who don t remember the name, james mccord was one of the original watergate burglars, after his conviction, he was a minor figure as it were. he sent a letter to the judge saying he was pressured to do a, b, and c and it eventually led to the resignation of president nixon. in this case, carter page is coming forward with a lawsuit which he has said tonight he s going to definitely pursue, if you think as a number of republicans do, that there is a conspiracy, was a conspiracy of the obama administration to look into this part of carter page s lawsuit is that he is claiming hate crimes against him saying that the hillary clinton campaign was against him because he was a man. we don t know if he has attorneys or can afford attorneys. i grant you all that, i m saying that once you start that actually, that s not much of a threat, when i read that statement, he s going to run smack dab into military and state secrets privilege, i ve litigated that painfully over the years. it s not like a civil case where you can go into discovery and find out who said what to who in an office. all of this is coming out of the most secret court, in some of the most classified areas of the governments, he s going to hit the state secrets privilege. he s going to find it very hard to get information. one of the things interesting about carter page is that he is desperately now trying to reposition himself as a victim, as a traitor, not as someone who s committing treason doing bizarre stuff, but he s a hero of american privacy, he s somehow going to go out here and expose all these terrible things that have happened. the problem is that this particular move makes no sense. if in fact the obama administration was going to spy on these people, shouldn t they have said something before the election? the part of the story that they continue to spin that makes no sense is, why would the obama administration go to all this trouble to spy on this campaign, to violate their privacy, do all these terrible things and then just say nothing until donald trump won? the whole thing is bizarre. the independent commission, let s get to the bottom of it. to wax tom cruise, i want the truth. i can handle the truth. where do you see this going? look, jeffrey has a good point about an independent commission which could get this all out on the table and i think the senate and house are going to go their best to get some of these facts. those who don t want an independent commission say it just takes too long, you got to get people clear, you got to get them read up, this is going to take months to go through. i just read an article in new yorker.com that the three witnesses on the democratic witness list that s been agreed to with the republicans in theory at least, carter page, roger stone and paul manafort, so we are going to hear from carter page susan rice? what i reported is all names on the republican list are obama officials, all the names on the democratic list are trump campaign officials who are related to the russian hacking campaign. so the rudemocrats want to investigate putin s intelligence service, the republicans want to investigate obama s intelligence service. we ll bring you the latest up to date in just a moment. also how a carrier battle group which was meant to sent a message to north korea, instead wound up heading south, literally heading south. details ahead. 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let me assure you, anderson, even if jon ossoff wins he s not going to win by 70%. so that number is going to go down. this district has portions of three counties that touch it. this is just the early and absentee vote from dekalb can, a big democratic county overall, we would expect knowing that the democrat reporting did quite well in the early vote, it actually is one of the things that started giving republicans pause and concern about this race. we expected him to have this early lead. i would not read much more into it than that. his number is going to come down, it is likely that the republicans did a bit better perhaps on election day voting. we ll see as the night goes on as more numbers come in. we talked about this yesterday, newt gingrich held this district for 30 years, trump won it by 1 percentage point. this is a district that republicans salivate over, because they think this is precisely the kind of distribute they can flip in 2018 and maybe take back control of the house. and you look at this district that david was talking about, it s more diverse, it s higher educated, it s wealthier, and it s younger. and all of those things put together are a nice target for the democrats. i mean having said that, they have a young, inexperienced and unexciting candidate here, but who s got 8 million $8 million million of mostly outside money behind him because they also know how symbolic this would be, of course if they were to win. it does say a lot about the fact that president trump has taken a personal interest in the election, just tonight he tweeted, just learned that jon ossoff doesn t even live in the district, republicans get out and vote. he s also aware of how a loss could work. he probably just learned that since the national congressional campaign committee have been pushing that back for a long time. but you are right, it look like donald trump is placing a bet here that oss orks oroff is goi come just below and he can come out and say, hey, republicans, i helped keep him under 50%, let s go to the runoff now, i can help you win that as well. no one has to tell donald trump that this is really about him. and he believes it s about him and in many ways it is about him. because this is high profile, it s a district that he really won by just 1%. hillary clinton won in that district, it was the first time a democrat won that district since jimmy carter. so, you know, i do think that he understands that everybody s going to extrapolate here. he does, but i think also, jon ossoff the democrat, as much as he has raised money like you said on that democratic fervor, on that democratic energy, he s campaigning heavily because it s a heavily republican district. he s careful not to do all frump bashing, some of his advertising definitely geared toward trump bashing to make his base enthusiastic. but much of it is about cut wasteful spending, get government working again, a message that has nothing to do with donald trump. and the hss secretary who they re trying to replace won by 62% of the vote. he s got to walk a really fine line here as do the republican candidate. do we have a sense of when we might know the results here? 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whether it was miscommunication, or intentional misleading, what is the administration saying? reporter: let s look at the bottom line here, the u.s. navy always knows every day where all it s aircraft carriers are, right? so they had announced that this carrier group was going to head north. the implications standing in the air from both the white house and the pentagon was it was going toward the korean peninsula to be a deterrent, to be a show of force, it was never going to have any offensive capability really against a north korean threat. but not so fast, the carrier stop stopped long the way, did a number of preplanned exercises with australia jn forces, was hundreds of miles away from where everybody thought it was in that show of force. does it make a difference attend of the day? it doesn t change the military calculation, but if they were trying to message north korea, perhaps that message falling a bit flat, because it s taking that carrier a while to get anywhere near there, it s expected to be there by the end of the month. anderson. it perhaps makes a potential enemy not believe when the u.s. says a message can deteriorate into something not all that factual, the president calling it an armada, when is the last time the u.s. navy called itself an armada. and the carrier, this is a president who said he didn t want to signal what his military months are. not only did he talk about a carrier, he talked about submarines going along with it. and he talked about the submarines being stronger, more powerful, if you will, than an aircraft carrier. that s an extraordinary statement in public from a president. submarines are generally covert, they engage in covert action, they are able to spy on north korea, their communications, their intelligence, really extraordinary, for a president who didn t want to signal his months, signaling them, not getting them exactly right and also putting out a covert asset like a submarine was on the way. want to talk more about this with senior military and diplomatic analyst admiral kirby? admiral kur by, how do you know or don t know this is happening? i think there s been a little bit of a misunderstanding of exactly what was said and why. the pacific command was very clear that the carrier strike group was going to move towards or near korean waters, but they never said when, and they wanted to get this exercise done with the australians, as a matter of fact they curtailed the exercise, accelerated the start date so they could move the vinson and other ships up north. they were pretty open and honest about this. i believe it was between the pentagon and the white house in terms of filling in those kinds of details, it s easy when you see something of a statement when they say we re going to send the vinson to the waters off of korea, to think that s going to happen immediately. when ships are deployed like this, there s lots of other things they need to do and they want to knock this out as quickly as possible. is it possible that the president and the press secretary did not understand what was going on? because they were talking about it. . i know they were, and frankly so was the pacific command, they put out the fact that the ship was going to those waters, i don t think it was fully understood up the chain of command what the schedule looked like, leaving singapore, heading up to australian waters. i don t know exactly where the breakdown was, but i think that was where the breakdown was, not that anyone lied or tried to mislead. not that they were not going to get into the north korean waters, just what it was going to do in between. what message do you think this sends to north korea? do you think it has an impact? i think it s certainly an embarrassment that it was ant clear cut move in rapid fashion as to what was conveyed. the bigger message is that we have a strong naval presence here and we re not afraid to exercise it and operate it where we need to. and clearly they got that message, because as you saw, they acted quickly and vigorously as to any suggestion that the carrier strike group was going to be off their coast. coming up, there s breaking news tonight that bill o reilly may be out of fox news after his latest sexual harassment claims, a source says that exit talks are under way. we ll talk about that nec. we are sikhs sikh americans we believe in equality tolerance and respect for all. because sikh values are american values. we are doctors pta moms patriots we are americans we like game of thrones im obsessed with star wars ive seen every episode of sponge bob because thats what my daughters like to watch we we are sikhs. o reilly s advances. joining me now is cnn media correspondent brian stelter, and cnn media analyst bill carter. brian, what are you learning? that there will be a board meeting on thursday, involvng the murdocks, the men who control 20th century fox. and by the end of the week, we ll know if bill o reilly is going to be back on the air or not. there s clearly a sense inside fox that this is coming to a conclusion quickly and that o reilly is unlikely to come back to his program. nothing s official until we hear it from rupert murdock or his sons. o reilly is a it s crazy that o reilly wouldn t be helming his show on fox. and that advertiser boycott, those advertisers abandoning his show, all of that adding up to a situation that s untenable for the murdocks. if it s true that o reilly is on the way out, it shows how important ad dollars are when push comes to shove. is this just about ad dollars or the atmosphere inside fox? you have fox worrying about getting access to sky tv in eveni england. i think it s extraordinary, but i think the pressure on fox has just mounted to an incredible degree, almost an unbearable degree, because even if they re to bring o reilly back, people are not going to let up. people are picketing outside the building, i don t know how they get out from under this, and another woman adding to the mix, it just goes on and on, the drip, drip of this, and they feel like they have to get out from under it. the new accusations that are being made, your client says that this occurred back in 2008? yes, she says that she was a clerical worker back in 2008, she did not work directly for bill o reilly, she worked for a different broadcaster, she said he treat ed her very, very well. she said that bill o reilly would call her hot chocolate, she s african-american, she found that very offense. he would leer at her, at her cleavage, at her legs, he would say yeah, baby. he would make comments about her after she got off the elevator. she told me about this eight days ago, we talked to three witnesses who corroborate back in 2008 she told them, she would come home from work and tell them that bill o reilly was sexually harassing her. by the end of the time she was there, she was very depressed and it was taking a toll on her. there was a hot line people could call, they could raise objections, that s the obvious question, was anything said at the time? i talked to a fox news employee today, i want to call the hot line, i don t have the number. the reason i have the hot line, is because i had another case against fox news. so we called the hot line, and again today, with my new accuser, she and i together called the fox news hot line. so i want to thank fox news for that invitation to call the hot line and i hope other women who have been harassed call the fox news hot line. you know, i want to say while i can be a little sarcastic about it, this is very, very difficult for the women. you know, i spent yesterday and today with a new accuser. she was very stressed, crying, she couldn t eat, she couldn t sleep. this is very hard on women. and that s why i m doing all of this at no charge. these two women are not asking for a penny, they re doing it because this is about accountability, enough is enough, stop hurting women, stop damaging women s career, stop inthreatening women that if they don t sleep with you that you ll end their career. this is obviously something the board is considering, what would it say about fox news, about the culture there? it would say one thing that o reilly has tremendous lawyers, he s got lawyers lined up with him tonight who are saying there s a left wing smear campaign happening trying to tear him down, those people would be fighting with fox to remove him. there s this contract, this legal language, fox believes it can if it wants to remove o reilly right away. they renewed his contract a short time ago? but that new contract has what fox says is more leverage against o reilly, an easier way to remove him now that there s new allegations against him. but fox has prided itself on not being like everything else, about not bending to pressure. his sons do not like the stain that they feel is being placed on their brand. for fox news, as brian was saying, a while ago, it would have been inconceivable that bill o reilly would not be on fox news, the amount of money that he s made for that company, the amount of time he s worked there, the ratings that he gets, but in tv, no one is in dispensable. bill o reilly is going to have a new gig, as i understand i mean we re all ultimately expendable. and i include myself in that as well. i do think fox has really had one signature star from the beginning. right. it s bill o reilly. this is really a remarkable situation to have your signature star. and i think the one thing that s maybe under appreciated here, is that the fox audience is not going to like this, they re not going to take well to this, that it looks like fox is giving in to what they think is a feminist plot or a left wing plot to get rid of their favorite broadcaster. i think they ll be a backlash of sorts. i mean fox will plug in some other star, but the audience might not like that they caved into this kind of pressure. president donald trump has been support ty of bill o reilly, saying that he doesn t think o reilly did anything wrong. my phone is ringing off the hook and we re not going to stop until we get accountability. in the latest statement that i saw from o reilly s attorney, as brian mentioned, he s making allegations that this is a left wing plot, that there s a political organization behind this. are you being funded by some left wing political organization that is out for bill o reilly? if only, anderson, my clients are not asking for a penny, i am not charging any of my o reilly accusers. i flew out here on my own nickel. and mr. o reilly s attorney is being highly paid for defending an accused serial harasser. the search is over for the man police say posted video on facebook after having killed a 74-year-old grandfather in cleveland, how the search ended next. blue moon is brewed with valencia orange peel, for a taste that shines brighter. for my constipation, i switch laxatives.ed stimulant laxatives make your body go by forcefully stimulating the nerves in your colon. miralax is different. it works with the water in your body to hydrate and soften. unblocking your system naturally. miralax. when you re close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin. do not use if you are allergic to taltz. before starting you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you are being treated for an infection or have symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. inflammatory bowel disease can happen with taltz. including worsening of symptoms. serious allergic reactions can occur. now s your chance at completely clear skin. just ask your doctor about taltz. now s your chance at completely clear skin. when this bell rings. .it starts a chain reaction. .that s heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that s the power of and. hey, bud. you need some help? 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reporter: absolutely. law enforcement want to make sure they re not missing anything. they have extra forensic evidence. they have his vehicle. they have his weapon. they re going to be interviewing people. they want to find out, for example, if anybody harbored him over the 45 hours between the time he committed murder and the time he committed suicide. i do want to mention that mr. godwin will be laid to rest this saturday. our thoughts are with his family. i talked to two of his daughters last night. they are extraordinary people. another incredible note to the story. i spoke with two of his daughters, a son-in-law who talked about what an mazing man he was. in the midst of their pain, they said they forgave the killer. watch. he taught us about god, how to fear god, how to love god and how to forgive. yes. each one of us forgive the killer, the murderer. you do? we want to wrap our arms him. we absolutely do. we don t i honestly can say right now that i hold no no animosity. in my heart against this man. extraordinary to say that. they met with the killer s former girlfriend at her request we understand today. the on the video the suspect posted on facebook, the killer made robert godwin say the name of his former girlfriend. said it was her fault that he was about to kill mr. godwin. today she met with the godwin s family, his daughter says they hugged and cried together. she told she was sorry and they told her they didn t blameler h at all. the fbi investigation into russian meddling into the election and connection to trump associates. what we learned tonight next. moms know their kids need love, encouragement and milk. with 8 grams of natural protein, and 8 other nutrients to provide balanced nutrition. moms know kids grow strong when they milk life. with all the things you ll provnever learn from a book. expedia. everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. this is the schmidt s yard. and, oh schmidt, that s a lot of dirt. but there s plenty of time for scotts outdoor cleaner plus oxiclean to work it s magic. all while being safe to use around plants and grass. guaranteed. this is a scotts yard. wenit gave me a leafput in the names almost right away. first. within a few days, i went from knowing almost nothing to holy crow, i m related to george washington. i didn t know that using ancestry would be so easy. we re topping this hour with breaking news. a special house election with potentially national impact. john ossoff, a front runner right now with 38% reporting, he is leading several rivals with 60.6% of the vote. if he finishes tonight with 50% or more, he avoids a runoff and does send a message to republicans nationally, including the president. we will update you throughout the hour and throughout the night on cnn. we also have a significant new development in the trump russia investigation. it centers on the dossier compiled by a former british intelligence officer on the subject. as you may know, cnn has not and will not be reporting on the contents of the dossier. we never have because we have yet to verify it. however, we do have new reporting that suggests the fbi
developing stories including more on russia. a poll showing over half of americans say they do want an independent inquiry of the links between trump and russia. more than 60% say this is concerning for what it actually means for our democracy. couple that with the former national security adviser, mike flynn, offering testimony in exchange for immunity. now, today. vladimir putin spokesman claiming there is actually nothing to uncover. are you concerned about anything he might say about his contacts with russia? no. we are not. any blamings that russia could have been interfering in domestic affairs of the united states is slander. peskov saying that an allegation regarding the russian government s involvement in the recent killing of an opposition lawmaker is absurd. how will these events affect the already rocky path ahead for the trump administration? joining me now is ron klain, a former senior aide to president clinton, matt miller who worked at the department of justice for eric holder and maya wiley, vice president for social justice at the new school and former counsel to mayor de blasio. a lot of you have experience in government and how scandals can grow and mutate. ron, what do you make of the most recent thing with russia basically putting its people out brazenly on american television, which is their right, even as all the allegations pile up and we see reports of the russian lawmakers assassinated and targeted and thrown off a building. as you alluded to in an earlier segment, ari, the russians are engaged in active measures to try to corrupt our democracy, to try to break apart our democracy in this country and other western democracies around the world. so the fact that their spokespeople are out advancing that message, advancing propaganda, should be no surprise to people. of the many sad things and there are many sad things in the first 70 days of the trump administration i don t think there is anything sadder than seeing our government, our great democracy, aligning itself with these horrible forces of intolerance, of anti-liberalism. they re trying to destroy democracies around the world. then you go to how this all works in government, matt. substantively, procedural. rhetorically, the trump white house has done everything it could to make it look like its defending russia in all this. there hasn t been a pause or we welcome the facts that come or are cooperating. quite the opposite. i won t list the litany, matt. listen to john mccain, no liberal critic, explaining why this all piles up to needing an independent committee. this is why we need a select committee, martha. every time we turn around, another shoe drops from this centipede. matt. yeah. senator mccain is right. the trump s embrace of russia goes back to before he was president, goes back to the campaign. and what s surprising politically a little bit is that he hasn t recognized, you know you would think that if you are in the middle of this kind of scandal where you are under investigation for potentially coordinating with russia intelligence to try to steer the election to you when they re all of his famous comments during the campaign, you would think they would take a politically smart path. just have the president come out and say one tough thing about vladimir putin and it would go a long ways for them politically and they re not willing to do that. i think it has something to do with trump, who he is. he likes to be flattered. he likes the way that vladimir putin has said nice things about him. i think it has something to do with he doesn t want to admit that his campaign did get the help from russia because he knows that leads to questions about his legitimacy that he is very, very sensitive to. i think this is an important part of what trump has to do right now. he has to say that, actually, i am the president of the united states and of all americans and i m going to come forward. i m going to come clean. i m going to cooperate. instead, he sends tweets that suggest that somehow this is a witch hunt against his administration. we have to remember that both his attorney general, jeff sessions, whose office introduced carter page. former campaign manager, paul manafort. so many connections right now to a folks actually talking to a russian ambassador and allegations that there were communications between carter page that he was supposed to pass on to trump that he was going to, in fact, get rewarded mr. tillerson, do you believe that vladimir putin and his cronies are responsible for ordering the murder of countless dissents, journalists and political opponents? i do not have sufficient information to make that claim, but i am not willing to make conclusions on what is only publicly available or have been publicly reported. this is classified, mr. tillerson. these people are dead. ron, what do you make of the exchange now two months later with what we know? the senate should never have confirmed rex tillerson. it s sad that marco rubio voted to confirm rex tillerson after giving those answers. this goes back to what maya said before. it s all the people around trump who have these ties to russia. mr. tillerson made a lot of money doing business in russia. former senator sessions now attorney general and his team have ties to russia. when you put it together it lays at the president s doorstep. when it has been laid at his doorstep his answers have been disappointing. he was asked about these crimes. russia has committed, killing journalists. instead of deploring it, condemning it, he said, oh, our country is not so innocent either. that idea that we re going to lower our human rights and civil sights standards, lower our civil liberties standards to russia s level as a way of getting along with russia is a deplorable concept. that s what the president has said to defend his friends and allies in russia. we covered this last hour. there is so much. the other thing that s brand-new and hasn t been on tv yet, maya. we were debating out this outreach on obamacare from president trump is going to work. new sound of rand paul, a big critic. he was a roadblock, maybe striking a balance. maybe donald trump finding in personal diplomacy what he couldn t find on the house floor. rand paul, brand-new, after golfing with trump. great day with the president today. we did talk about some health care reform. i think the sides are getting closer together, and i remain very optimistic that we will get an obamacare repeal. thanks. maya. hard to believe. you don t buy it. i don t buy it. i buy that there are conversations happening and the republicans feel a lot of heat to get a win on something they crashed and burned dramatically on. unless you have something to address the fact that the previous plan was going to literally take tax credits from those earning $200,000 or less a year and essentially give a give-back of $7 million a year to the top 400 earning americans in the country and leave 24 million americans without health insurance, i think that s a tall order. the numbers don t lie. what did you think also of rand paul s sunglasses? i thought they were quite interesting and not going to get him over the edge when it comes to support for this bill. you re not throwing any shade over there. i have a lot of shade to throw, but rand paul is not worth my shade. control room saying you need to wrap. sometimes they say need to wrap. i was interested in your take. maya wiley. good sport and knowledgeable lawyer. matt, ron. thank you for your expertise. tonight, millions of young people mobilized in 2016 not only for hillary clinton as some think but many for president trump. now we ll hear directly from them about what they think. and as always, we have ari s inbox. but first, stay with us. the point growing up trump, right up after the break. and one more segment. only invisalign® clear aligners are made with smarttrack® material to precisely move your teeth to your best smile. see how invisalign® treatment can shape your smile up to 50% faster today at invisalign.com the markets change. at t. rowe price. our disciplined approach remains. global markets may be uncertain. but you can feel confident in our investment experience around the world. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. except for every ladies night. vegetarian. only glad has forceflex to prevent rips, leaks, and punctures. so whatever you throw in the bag. stays in the bag. be happy, it s glad. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that s why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. which adds fuel to my bottom line. what s in your wallet? investigation. he has certainly called the independence of his committee into question but as a legal concept he hasn t triggered the traditional causes for recusal like say a financial link to the outcome of the inquiry. here is how one ethics professor quoted it. it does not create a legal basis for seeking recusal. there is a strong political argument for recusal. the argument that he has fractured the bipartisan relationship of the committee was spoken on by adam schiff. i think it rises to the level of recusal. ann chapel. who takes flynn up on this immunity? right now, nobody. the congressional committee saying it s not on the table at the moment and that it s too early for prosecutors in the criminal case to hand out immunity deals. last question from lana. can a regular citizen sue a fez ral agency? the answer, sure. there is a federal law that empowers a private citizen to sue for injury or loss of property or death for any wrongful act committed by a government employee. those are the answers for the inbox this week. get your question in next week if you e-mail me or tweet me right now at the #thepoint. after the next break, we have the special that i have been plugging all day, growing up trump, hearing directly from a new generation of leaders. first we ll talk to the young activists in the resistance against trump. that s after the break. then we ll hear from young people energized by the new president, followed by a discussion among all of them together. i promise you guys it will be unlike anything else on tv tonight. they ll call back. no one knows your ford better than ford and ford service. right now, during the big tire event, get a $140 rebate by mail, on four select tires. knows how it feels to seees your numbers go up, despite your best efforts. but what if you could turn things around? 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we don t need to speculate today. we ll ask them. we have young leaders from the trump movement we ll hear from in a minute. first, right here some folks leading the resistance. now, let me go ahead and introduce everybody. we re going to bring back them all together, i should mention, for a joint panel in a few segments. first when we talk to trump resistance voters. richie torres youngest elected official in new york representing the bronx. imani editor in chief of muslim girl a social justice activist and blare, founder of equality for here. zena maxwell. former aide to hillary clinton s campaign. thank you for doing this, you guys. i think it will be something different and interesting. show of hands. how many since the election have been at a march or protest? how many have done it in march, in the last month? staying high. richie, as our young elected official, what do you think of the street part of this which is different in social justice than just going to the voting booth? it shows that change has both an inside and outside game and puts the myth of millennial apathy to rest because donald trump s election set off a wave of demonstrations. there were millions of americans who participated in the women s march, not only in washington, d.c., but in every major city across the country. those demonstrations were largely driven by millennials. you are shaking your head. go ahead. well, i just think that, you know, it was so powerful to see the women s march but also to acknowledge the amount of people who have been participating in the marches. i have been involved in black lives matter style movements and in that type of activism so i m excited to see the uniting of forces of people who might have been more on the fence in terms of participating in activism. i wish there was more reliance on the wisdom of those who have been doing it but i m excited to see the momentum of people in the streets, people bringing pizzas to the protests and coming out and supporting. you contrast that as someone who uses music. hillary clinton had a lot of musicians out. i don t know whether it helped or hurt her. we ll play a little bit of lady gaga, who was big for her on the campaign trail. take a listen. it s an honor tonight for me to say, a 30-year-old woman from an italian-american immigrant family [ cheers and applause ] that i am with her! [ cheers and applause ] but as i mentioned, she did worse among young people. well, i think that, you know, i believe that just being a musician necessarily, because i like your music doesn t necessarily mean that i am somebody that s going to like or agree with your political thing. celebrity just to be a celebrity is not something that is going to guarantee somebody as a vote. i think you have to be intelligent and understand the issues and be issue driven. people look for people who have been out there. if you haven t been on the front lines of the protests and movements and just get out there to say you re getting behind a political candidate i kind of wonder how serious i can take you if i haven t seen you being on the front line of some of the issues in the first place. imani. honestly, the statistics about white women voters doesn t surprise me too much. we really have to consider whose backs the past election fell on. it was entirely people of color. it was our livelihoods that were thrown under the bus in the debates and the discussions taking place. many of us were excluded from the conversations. a lot of people are saying that one of the positives from trump s presidency is that it s rallied people together. it s gotten a lot of people in the streets. you could have asked a person of color prior to the elections if racism was still a thing and they would have gladly answered the question without this. yeah. i think the election showed that young people want to participate in this in politics and get out in the streets and do activism. they were doing that before the 2016 election. that s going to continue no matter that was going to continue even if hillary clinton had been elected president. what i think trump does is create a catalyst and really a sense of urgency that you have no choice but to get into the streets and continue your activism. absolutely. i think that, you know, even if hillary had won, and a lot of people like to imagine what it would be like and that it would be this wonderful fantasyland but there were a lot of issues with her policy platform. i think we d still be doing this work. the segment is growing up trump, but we grew up obama and there were still a variety of issues to fight against. that would be the case whether or not trump was in office. i just think there is more energy behind it now. there may be more energy. one of the things we ll talk with the trump folks coming up next is that young people who were trump supporters were far more enthusiastic. listen to donald trump talk about his young support and what he believed was bernie overlap. i ll go a step further. i think a lot of the young people with bernie sanders will come to my side. they want jobs. they say what s happening. bernie sanders and i agree on one thing, trade. that we don t know what we re doing on trade. the difference is i ll make great deals out of it. he doesn t know what to do. i don t necessarily agree that his voters were energized and hillary s weren t. to me, in my community, what i saw was people energized mainly because, like, our lives are on the line. you know what i m saying? trump s rhetoric has actually led to people being killed right now in the united states of america, whether you we re here in new york city where a guy came to specifically target a black man and killed him, you know what i m saying? as i walk the street i have to understand that. i don t necessarily think that just because trump was a celebrity on the apprentice this somehow meant more people were energized by him or younger people were energized by him and not by hillary. i dismiss that. i don t agree with that. imani what s the message to people who are newly engaged if they weren t excited before november? it s important to center the voices of people who are being impacted by the policies. this is truly an opportunity to elevate narratives that are on the line right now and have been marginalized. with the current politics taking place around us and it s important to make sure movements are led by those people, that we re giving space to their voices and in ways that are contributive to the moment. richie how old were you when you were first elected in new york? 25. in a rush. what s changed for you since then? the stakes are much higher. we have a president now who is intent on dismantling the social safety net. in the new york city council i chair the new york city housing authority. that s the very first program that the trump administration has targeted for budget cuts. immediately, $75 million worth of budget cuts. which will translate into more elevated breakdowns in public housing. the stakes are much higher than before. last question for each of you. we are doing dialogue and have trump folks coming up next. what would you want to hear from them next? i just want to hear a good reason why they re supporting trump. i haven t heard one yet. i want to hear one. i don t want to hear alternative facts. i want to hear real facts and real reasons why you would support somebody with a rhetoric like trump. i am optimistic that they want to convert to our cause. you re here for conversion. proselytizing is hard. optimistically i would like to hear a rejection of the normalization of racism that we re seeing but again, high hopes. this is television. we always have high hopes. i want to know how they were able to overlook the access hollywood tape that broke late in the campaign cycle. how can you vote for someone who has spoken like that on the record? 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so far i would say the most important thing he has done is to order the start of the wall. i think that s very important to secure our border. we need to protect our citizens, and we need to know who is coming in and out of the country. yeah. i think he has done the best job in getting people more involved in the political process. less people are watches videos and signing up with the county legislators. i love that donald trump is deconstructing the administrative state. we ve sold out to a bunch of technocrats and now donald trump is beginning to roll it back so that the government can serve the people. you know, this was an election about jobs. over 30% of young americans still live with their parents. i am looking forward to him injecting some life back into our economy, lowering the tax rate, and getting young people back to work. getting good jobs. let me put up something that a lot of people don t realize in terms of donald trump s success with young people. i mentioned this earlier. it s striking. the excitement on candidates for young american voters, right. donald trump supporters here, 32% basically told pollsters they were very excited. only 18% of clinton s young supporters there, under 30 millennials, excited. does that surprise any of you? or what do you make of it? doesn t surprise me at all. i think that we see on the democratic side there have been more efforts to try to go to the base and get grass roots. that s why you need george soros to get the grass roots moving. on the republican side it s genuine and people are excited about president donald trump. i am not surprised at all. donald trump is bold, brash, he is not afraid to address problems that everyone knows are true but many have been too afraid to address in the past. not only did he over-perform with young people but also minority communities. he got a larger percentage of the black, his spannic did muslim wheat than obama did in 2012. for far too long democrats have taken young and minority votes for granted while offering little in the way of policies that lift up those communities. paul, do you agree? what do you hear from people when you tell them that you are a trump backer? it s crazy. i honestly my father forbid me interest saying insults i received on social media. literally i think this is a great opportunity for people to really get involved. not really a big fan of listening to the static. i am an advocate of winston churchill when he said you won t get to your destination if you stop to throw rocks at the dogs barki ba barking at you. this was a trump supporter recently talking about plants closing. laurie clements who works as a meat cutteder. it s getting to the point where, if things don t turn around, the doors will close. and it s going to hurt a lot of people. i want to see him do what he says he is going to do. make america great again. the people of this country have lost a lot of faith in this in their government. the government has done a lot of things that weren t for the people. ellie, what specifically do you think he s done to create jobs in the united states? he signed an executive action to get regulatory reform started. he has empowered heads of agencies to start the reform to ignite and unleash jobs prosperity and great things in america. we re excited about it. you can t tell yet whether that s creating jobs. well, sure. the thing is that you have such an entrenched state, the federal bureaucracy is so marred with the democratic laws that have been put on the books over the last eight years. it will take time. we re only two months in. i think president trump has started with encouraging signs. like i said, it will only get better from here. on the dialogue, and next we ll bring everyone out and have a joint discussion. but when you heard some of the questions there at the end of the segment with the resistance, starting with you, nicole, did you have a response or did you think anything was a fair criticism of president trump? i wouldn t say i necessarily think it s fair. i think we are all very diverse people here. there has been a lot of negative talk about trump supporters, and i think it s all very false. we are very open-minded and we support everyone. i think we all just want what s best for the country. i agree. it s literally unfair for you to justify and label someone based upon the worst of donald trump s rhetoric. i heard a lot about protesting and not too much on how people are getting involved and changing direction and taking the initiative individually to make america great. on the point, it s no secret. a lot of discussion of race and those issues. one thing from fortune magazine on the way donald trump has engaged folks. the quote. trump giving us the wink-wink. editor of a white supremacist website after trump retweeted two other white genocide theorists within a minute. it isn t statistically possible that two back-to-back could be random. it could only be deliberate. the stats there being that at least 75 users were wrapped up in the hash tag. what do you make of that, any of you, because that s been a persistent criticism as well as birtherism. there are young people who don t identify as being excited by that part of his appeal but it was there. one thing i don t think the president has gotten enough contract for is an executive action he signed to move the initiative from the department of education to the white house and assigned white house staff to work on it. something president obama didn t do. he took a lot of heat for this from outside groups because it was stuffed in the education department. now it s a priority of the administration. i think we need to give the president more credit for some of the things he s been doing. i think i heard from the liberal panel a lot of talk about rhetoric, right. i don t like some of the stuff that trump has said, but liberals have this obsession with diverting attention away from actual policies that matter and on to fluff and rhetoric. i am sick of talking about rhetoric. let s talk about policies here. do you think the words are pc? i mean, one of the trump is politically incorrect. that s why everyone loves him. we re going to bring you together but we wanted to hear everyone first. some felt the access hollywood tape which exposed that language. i did not like the access hollywood tape, trust me. i care more about the job market, the economy, getting a good health care system in place than i do about a 2005 tape of a conversation that trump had in private. let me play a little bit of donald trump in the closing of the campaign, which is very interesting to look back at. you all say you were excited by him. you all were with him, right? and this was a time period when a lot of the country wrote him off, wrongly. just at the mark of was he likely to win, could he win. a lot of people who had their smart money, thought they knew what they were talking off. you obviously didn t. hear was donald trump in the mood, defendanconfident, in pena where people said he couldn t win and dissing hillary clinton for relying on the celebrity thing which comes up a lot. i didn t have to bring j.lo or jay z. i m here all by myself. just me. no guitar, no piano, nothing. you know what we do have, and it s all of us, all the same. we all have great ideas and great vision for our country. i think that hillary clinton steered away from getting involved to actually talk about policies. she was bringing people in like lebron james, j.lo. what did it say to you? i think it s offensive and pandering, like bringing a bottle of hot sauce on the air waves. you felt that it wasn t her connecting with the community but more assuming that, what, that that would validate her? i feel like she was trying to assume an identity and trying to be young and hip. like my 50-year-old aunt coming in and say, hey, paul, what s popping, what s cool? it didn t look natural. did you remember that night? i was there in pennsylvania. i remember just the energy and intimacy of the event and those events across the country, that everybody in the room really felt like they had the opportunity to do something that they could never have the opportunity to do again for the rest of their lives. this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, and they did it. we ll do a quick break before the finale. did you all coordinate the red? no. just happened. i guess republicans truly are united. when you are on brand, you re on brand. we ve heard differing viewpoints on the trump presidency from these generations of voices. conversation is not over. the most important part comes next. having heard from both sides, we bring them together and we ll listen to what they have to say. stay with us. whether it be with customer contracts, agreements to lease a space or protecting your work. legalzoom s network of attorneys can help you, every step of the way. so you can focus on what you do and we ll handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. legalzoom. legal help is here. 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i think that, you know, one thing i want to say is that, with trump saying something in private, integrity is about not what you do in public but what you do in private. we want a president with integrity, and i don t feel that s something we have right now. you don t feel the president trump today has integrity. i do not. ellie. one thing we need to understand going forward is that people really don t care about these certain issues we try to make touch points. i think i heard the word nothing burger once on your shows. this is more of the same. people voted on the merits and want to hear about jobs and infrastructure and immigration. imani. trump has the support he does because fear-mongering is the political equivalent of click bait. it will obviously work and energize people. we ve been throwing entire minority communities that are already targeted under the bus because, what, we want to talk about jobs? what s the tradeoff. we are literally saying that we can sacrifice an entire part of the fabric of our society just to continue elevating an already privileged part of america. i would like to say that this is something that s really been happening in america before donald trump s presidency, it s not really about white people attacking black people or dominicans attacking haitians, it s happening amongst ourselves. black people are attacking each other much more than the caucasian community is. more people are doing more across racial lines, across gender. we don t necessarily have a traditional set of values. the millennial generation is the most diverse and progressive in history. we ll get in the streets, run for office and make change in our electoral process. nicole, look at the issues as a young woman excited by donald trump. these are issues people under 30 care about. stress about finances. 64%. student loans, 79%. big impact. thinking you have to tap into whatever little you have saved for retirement because things are so bad. what do you think donald trump is doing for that? he has already talked about lowering taxes. he is reducing federal regulation. he has made a law that says for every regulation that is proposed they have to get rid of two. that helps businesses. you know. as millennials, we have kind of gotten used to the fact that it s difficult to find work, and i think that s a shame because that s not the way the country has always been. you re shaking your head. you re talking about jobs. this president came out against a livable wage. this is a president who it s easy to say rhetoric is rhetoric when the rhetoric is not directed towards you. minimum wage doesn t help. that just makes businesses able to hire fewer people. i am half hispanic. i have a lot of friends. black friends, jewish friends. they all want good jobs, not bad jobs. you do that by making an economy that s flourishing and making it easier for entrepreneurs to hire people. we want to get the government off the back of people who are creating jobs in this country. that s what trump wants to do. this is the same rhetoric that we heard under george w. bush, and the whole economy almost really collapsed internationally. he did so bad on the economy that he wasn t even invited to the last two republican conventions. something in medicine they all eatra jennics. a lot of the liberal policies are well intentioned. you think of minimum wage and it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling but it actually hurts small businesses and hurts for people looking for jobs. it helps people working at a minimum wage to have food for the families. ones who are able to keep jobs. look at what s happening at mcdonald s. they re putting in machines in place of human workers because it s too expensive to keep hiring people. liberals don t understand the difference between good intention and good policy. richie. so far, the trump transition shows every sign of governing incompetently. the president promised a health care plan that would cover everyone and instead put forward a health care plan that, according to the republican-picked congressional budget office would cost 24 million americans their health insurance. he was going to cut medicaid by $800 billion and literally redistribute it for tax cuts for the rich. a show of hands. how many of you at one point since 22 have been on your parents health care plans. paula, that s something you would worry about if they do repeal. as you know, there is a big movement to repeal the whole thing. i think it s going to be it will be a really big disaster if we don t replace it with something that works. i work in an emergency department and we have a labor act where we can t turn away a patient no matter if they can pay for health insurance or if they have it or their ability to pay. i will feel the brunt of this. do you think donald trump understands health care when he said no one knew it was this complex. i have the utmost confidence in his ability to surround himself with people who know health care. donald trump is our president, the representative, not the person with all the answers. it s up to us to reach out through our congressmen to help him make the best decision that works for us. nicole mentioned the wall. how about the two swings on the travel ban. none of it is implemented because it was blocked in the courts because of the way they rolled it out. does it concern you from a competence perspective? i don t think necessarily. i think, necessarily. i think, you know, he s working on it. it s a very new administration, and i have confidence in donald trump that he will get everything done that he said he would. yeah, you know, the first rollout, or the first version of that plan was not well thought out. that s why they reintroduced it. but this everyone understands what this is about. this is about keeping us safe. people have seen what s happened in paris, what s happened in europe. we don t want that here. so i think people understand, yeah, the first version of that bill was not great, but the intention behind that bill are known and i think they are working on it to iron out some of the problems. several people look like they want down the line here. down the line. we ll get a response from chris as well. go ahead. i think that the propensity for americans to say, oh, this makes us safe, you re ignoring the fact we re not safe. we have mass shootings at a rate that no other country sees. it s ridiculous. to say we have some foreign i e inenemy of a different religion that s coming in to harm us, it s completely unfounded. we have violence in america and it s perpetuated by people who look just like the president. paul. my previous statement, i honestly think black-on-black crime is underreported. we want to shed light about a police officer killing a black man, but we have cities such as chicago where it s normal, you don t put it in newspapers anymore. it s on the news all the time. the violence in chicago is definitely in the news. black people who kill other black people go to jail. absolutely. the reason black lives matter in the streets is there s no accountability for when police kill black people. that s the conversation black lives matters is having. not about the violence in the inner city. i m a strong advocate of the black community telling each other that black lives matter, you have other options opposed to being ridiculed by being called white, for being able to talk and articulate your thoughts in a professional way. you is other options on the street as opposed to what s being pushed to you on the airwaves. do you think donald trump hit the right balance in the campaign that, yes, police risk their lives and their lives matter but a lot of black men according to the data are shot down in ways that other groups aren t? the data does show that. i believe he could have done much, much moreget ing the proper liaison to direct the message. i want to know where the all lives matter crew is. where s the all lives matter crew when we re talking about building a wall and keeping people out? a wall that the united states is going to pay for. your taxpayer dollars will pay for. when it s, you know, white supremaci supremacists, committing violence, we don t see trump tweet about everything else but he doesn t tweet about that. we don t even see that when a white child gets killed by police. right. girls are missing in d.c., we don t hear the all lives matter crew. you re talking about turning somebody away at a hospital that doesn t have health care. i thought this was a country based on christian values. is that the type of society we want? you want to talk about all lives matter, i think the one thing that trump can do, we haven t spoken about yet that will help all lives, bring in school choice. in inner cities plagued with violence, you re seeing minority children affected by poor education at a higher rate than all other children. that s because they re not afforded the opportunity to go to the school of their choice. you have these democrat politicians like obama sending their own kids to expensive private schools in limos while they deprive minority communities of school choice. these public schools are failing. the limo might be a security thing. right. go ahead, richie. immigration, one of the darkest moments in american history was when the united states turned away jewish refugees fleeing nazi germany. as a result, many of those refugees died in the holocaust. now we find ourselves treating syrian refugees with the same heartlessness that we did gy refugees a few decades ago. what s supposed to distinguish the united states is the idea all of us can become american regardless of whether we re born here. right? imgragmigration is the heart at we are as a country. donald trump is an attack on the american ideal. here s thing, almost humorously you were talking about good intentions versus good policy yet we spent the last five minutes listing out all these failed policies that trump has attempted to enact within his first 100 days alone that have obviously been embarrassing at how badly they have been. and the thing is, i don t care what kind of friends you have. if you re friends with muslims or black people or whoever, if you re supporting someone who is exploiting those communities in order to get to where he wants to be, in a position of power, then that is you renouncing our american values. like, if we re talking about bad policies, we re at a historic low, not only with the approval ratings that trump is suffering from right now on a national scale, but also the travel ban, i.e. the muslim ban, implemented solely to dis criminacriminate a religious background from end urg our k entering our country. go ahead. as a jew, i find it astounding the myriad ways democrats find ways to connect what happened in the haolocaust to what s going on today. the syrian refugee crisis is absolutely not comparable to what happened with jewish refugees. what s encouraging is the fact that donald trump, president donald trump, has indicated that he wants to put up safe zoens in syria. let s make sure it s safe there. i m hearing a lo t of anger and fear from the left and i think to blame for that, we can point our fingers at the media that has gone out of its way to completely kind of, you know, distort a lot of trump s policies, for example, the muslim ban. it s not a muslim ban. you re in a setting by at least one media news organization. right. that s tried to give no, no, exactly. i m so appreciative of that. but i think one great example is this notion that his travel ban is a muslim ban. the most populist muslim countries in the world are not emp on this list. for political reasons. yet again, how is it we have an exception for the muslim ban for people who come from a christian background? which was changed in the second ban. i was going to say in regards to the kusht political climate, a lot of people are so divided right now. a lot of people are in campaign mode. i tried to work for president trump. almost as if they re being twha2008 obama haters. the reason people don t want to work with trump, it s not because people are comparing to the holocaust for tragedy reasons. we re comparing to the hall c t holocaust, future generations are going to ask how we let this happen, the same way we re asking how the holocaust took place. richie, briefly? during the election, he said he wants to ban muslims. we re only judging him by his own words. we re going to take a quick break, and a final word after this. is not a marathon it s a series of smart choices. like using glucerna to replace one meal or snack a day. glucerna products have up to 15 grams of protein to help manage hunger and carbsteady, unique blends of slow release carbs to help minimize blood sugar spikes. every meal every craving. it s the choices you make when managing blood sugar that are the real victories. glucerna. everyday progress. before fibromyalgia, i was a doer. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. she also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. woman: for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don t drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can be more active. ask your doctor about lyrica.
voters in here. see what they had to say a little earlier. this time, i voted for john ossoff. there s a little message being sent by me and others. no question about that. i also do think there needs to be a check on donald trump. so there you have one voter i talked to who said, look, i want toe a check on donald ump. a lot of the voters i heard from today, they do cast this as a referendum on the president himself, on donald trump. several republicans i talked to said, you know, god bless donald trump. i will say, this isn t necessarily trump country. trump didn t win here by as much as tom price did, the congressman who was re-elected in 2016 by a 20-point margin. trump won by 1.5 points. at the same time, it does tell you potentially gives you a sense of the energy that the democrats have. that s what it is going to take if they are actually going to try to make a dent in the republican house majority in 2018. ali? encourage folks to make their voices heard and to make history here in georgia by flipping the sixth district. what are you feeling? what are you thinking is the likely outcome here? there is going to be a runoff? we re within striking distance of winning it today, but it ll come down to turnout. it ll come down to whether or not people make their voices heard and go to the polls. if turnout is high, we ll see that as a favorable indication. that s why we re encouraging folks to vote today. if i don t clear 50%, we be ready to fight and win a runoff if necessary. as i was getting ready for the show, i was looking at social media. there was a discussion about you being in an interview where you were asked about not being able to vote for yourself in this election because you don t live in the district. can you explain that to me a little bit more? well, i grew up in this district. i grew up in this community. of course, no one knew there was an election coming. i ve been by emory university, about ten minutes down the road, the last few years supporting my long-time girlfriend, alicia, while she finishes medical school. i m proud to be supporting her career. when she concludes her training, i ll be ten minutes back up the road in the district where i grew up. you made a comment earlier, this race for the voters you re asking to come out, should be about economic issues in the constituency, in georgia s sixth, and it is less about national issues. tell me what you meant by that. well, there are certainly deep concerns here about the direction of things in washington and concerns about the administration. i share those concerns. but we re building a coalition that s about more than party and more than opposition to the administration alone. talking about local economic development. talking about shared values that unite people here in the community. courage, compassion, kindness and decency instead of division and fear. instead of partisanship and gridlock. i think the contrast between a positive, substantive campaign and the nonsense in washington is a good one and it is clear. john ossoff, we will catch up with you throughout the course of the day. you are going to go and continue a bunch of them are democrats. in 2016, tom price won re-election by more than 23 points, in what is thought of as a staunchly conservative area. president trump only won the district by 1.5%. tell me why you think it is likely or possible that john ossoff can win this? yeah, those numbers were pretty striking to us after november. what we saw was a move away from this new republican party led by donald trump, and a move to something more moderate. value that is the democratic party have been talking about for years. we re seeing folks that are really unhappy with the direction of that party, and they re given a really great alternative by the democrats that are in this race and by the leading democrat that s in this race, john ossoff. we re seeing folks that maybe aren t your always regular voters going out to the polls that are feeling the fear, the discontent, the unhappiness that this new, sort of national politics place that we live is causing them, and they re channelling it into political activi activism. folks are really feeling this decision is important for themselves and their families. and they re working to make the right one. all right. rebecca, good to talk to you. thank you for being with us. the executive drelirector of th democratic party in georgia. right now, i want to bring in the co-founder of the progressive change campaign committee. it is a grassroots organization committee that helps candidates and committees. good to be here. i want to go over the math. why is a constituency that tom price won by 23% competitive for democrats? that was an early indication that even in this district, people weren t buying what trump was selling, even in november. the resistance is strong and that s what this race stands for. as someone who communicates with 1 million activists every day, it was unfathomable in january that we d see this continued energy four months later. the tax march is this weekend. this vibrant campaign today. we ll see what happens tonight. this is one domino to fall within many in the next couple months. that s the language we use on the day people are trying to get out to the polling places. if it doesn t go that way and there is a runoff, does it weaken the argument that everybody is mad at trump? if john ossoff comes in first in the ruby red district of georgia six, it ll strengthen the argument. we have another election in june. we have a special election in montana. no matter what happens to wanig it ll feed the energy for the other races. let m ask you about people likelizabeth wren, massachusetts senator. your group has done a lot of work with her, with keith ellison, with very, very progressive members of the democratic party. what messaging are you hearing? what response are you getting from people? the beautiful thing, when elizabeth warren and bernie sanders challenge corporate power, establishment power, that s a message that plays well in the red states. bernie sanders goes to west virginia, holds town hall meetings and has the crowd applauding for medicare for all. you don t need that populus messaging to win in a blue state. it s bonus for them. for people running in red states in particular, our advice is lean into economics. even republican voters are willing to cross economic lines if their family s economic interests are there. these populus economic messages don t sound dissimilar, whether you heard them from donald trump, bernie sanders or elizabeth warren. it s the working person against the establishment and institution. it is important to have heros and villains. donald trump s villains tend to be minorities and other people. in a more democratic or progressive narrative, we re talking about what corporate power is. we re talking about when corporations pay 0% in taxes, your family pays more. if the insurance company is ripping you off, you have less health care and higher prices. both are aimed at speaking to the economic anxieties of people. it s just, who do you blame and who are the heros in your story? elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are making a case for government taking on corporate power. thank you for joining us. thank you. adam green, the co-founder of the progressive change committee. the georgia race isn t the only thing president trump is talking about this morning. he s talking about foreign issues. among the issues, north korea. he was asked whether u.s. sabotage was responsible for north korea s failed missile test over the weekend, whether he ruled out a military strike against north korea. i don t want to telegraph what i m doi or what i m thking. i m not like other administrations, where they say, we re going to do this in four weeks. doesn t work that way. did w sabotage the north korea strike? i don t want to comment on it. what happens if north korea launches another missile? we ll find out. msnbc s chris jansing joins us live now from the white house. hi, chris. along with north korea, the president lashed out against those who say that he has softened his stance on china. yeah, he says he didn t change his chance at all. he said it is all good. he had the meetings at mar-a-lago with president xi. subsequent phone calls. this relationship is, in fact, going to be a positive. when he was asked specifically about changing his stance, here s what he said. nobody has ever seen such a positive response on our behalf from china. then the fake media goes, donald trump has changed his stance on china. i haven t. china is trying to help us. i don t know if they ll be able to or not. do i want to start heavy trade or currency manipulation statements against somebody out there right now trying to stop what could be a very bad situation? that bad situation, of course, is north korea. but on currency manipulation, as you well know, ali, he did change his stance. of course he did, yeah. there is good reason to do it. china is no longer a currency manipulator. maybe they re manipulating it the other way, trying to raise the currency. maybe he thinks it is manipulation. who knows what the deal is. thank you so much. thank you. up next, day three of a desperate manhunt that s expanded nationwide. officials are stepping up the search for a suspect who murdered an elderly man on easter and posted the video on facebook. authorities are asking the public for help. we re getting people as far away as texas. they re saying, hey, i just saw him in a walmart. they re calling the tip line. if you think you spot him or the vehicle, call 911. your local jurisdiction so they can get officers there right away. someone out there has a key piece of information that could help us resolve this matter. they just might not know it. i am totally blind. and i live with non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that c throw my days and ghts out of sync, keeping me from the people, places, and things i love. the people i love have always been there for me. and now, i m there for them, too. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424 to learn more. is to always keep track of your employees.r micromanage them. make sure they re producing. woo! employee of the month! you really shouldn t leave their side. vita coco coconut water, hydration comes naturally. lwho s the lucky lady? 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well, there was sharp reaction to what vice president mike pence was saying yesterday, when he was here in south korea. in giving the ironclad american commitment to south korea in facing the threat of north korea. suggesting that north korea could get the same treatment as syria and afghanistan if it didn t halt its nuclear programs and stop its weapons development. that was reason enough for the message to go through diplomatic channels with the regime. not coming from pyongyang as much as new york. with the deputy ambassador to the united nations suggesting that donald trump was responsible for the escalation in the region. accused him of gangster type logic in creating a situation where thermo nuclear war could break out at any moment. here s more of what he had to say. if the united states dare to opt for the military actions, the crying out for preemptive attack and the removal of the headquarters, the tprk is ready to react to any act of war desired by the american. there is also the vice foreign minister in pyongyang saying that missile tests will continue every week, month, year, at the time of the regime s choosing. so there is this building up of even bolder rhetoric on both sides. this is what mike pence took into the meetings today with shinzo abe in giving those security assurances to japan. ali? janice, thanks very much for the constant updates from you in seoul, south korea. let s bring in two experts on this. lindsey ford served as senior adviser on asia policies during the obama administration at the defense department. now in the asia society policy institute. michael allen was in the george w. bush white house for senior counter policy and a staff for the intelligence committee. he s managing director of the homeland security advisory firm, beacon global strategies. between the two of you, you ve had a lot of experience in this. it is interesting to note how the american administration is talking about this. lindsey, vice president pence told north korea when he was in japan and in south korea the era of patience is over. yet, the current policy doesn t look all that different from poet the obama policies and the george w. bush s policies on these. yeah. there is actually a fair degree of continuity here. we ve heard the era of strategic patience is over. there was a question mark of, what era are we in now? really, some of it remains the same. we re talking about increased economic sanctions, talking about making more pressure on china to se if w can get china to ratchet down on north korea. that s similar to what we ve been doing for quite some time. one thing that is different is the degree to which we see this administration openly discussing that military options may be on the table. they ve always been on the table. i think they are certainly making that far clearer. let me ask you this, michael. when you look at this, and i don t like to make too many comparisons to iran because they are different, but there is the idea you can make no deal and keep things going the way they re going. there could actually be somebody attacking somebody. nuclear war. or there can be some kind of a deal. in a deal, north korea gets something out of the whole thing. this is the same struggle we ve had since about the 60s in america when it comes to north korea. is there something different now? i think there is. i think we have a new president who is largely a question mark for much of the world. he s definitely trying to change the strategic calculus of china. we tried this in the bush years. i know the obama folks did, as well. president trump is trying to ramp it up. i think he s trying to say to the chinese, look, i know you d rather not deal with this, but this is a serious issue. it s no longer north ykorea s no longer just a regional power. they re improving the baa bl ballistic missiles. we can t track them like we used to. he s saying, the era of strategic patience is dpoeover. we have to get in the game and do, like in regard to iran, iranian style sanctions to get to diplomatic solutions. the thing about iran and the reason i don t make the comparison is because iran, prior to sanctions, during sanctions and since, it is a big, robust economy that does deal with other parts of the world. it is not a hermit economy. for a strange reason, north coll korea, and maybe because it is isolated, managed to survive in the face of horrible sanctions. the country is broke. it is very, very poor. about 90% some of the businesses are with china. it is true. i think there are important differences between the iranian case and the case we see in north korea. one, economic. two, political. i think at some point, you have to believe you had iranian leadership you could deal with. we re not there with north korea. you have to test that. but, you know, also, there was a wider degree of international ability to pressure the iranian regime. what we re looking at in the north korean situation is different economic pressure points and different people who have the pressure points. it is the chinese. china and china. not us. right. when your strategy is a bank shot off the chinese, it s much more challenging to believe you can execute it s. but it is an important bank shot. if the chinese decide to help out in this, they can. they do i guess the question is, do they really exercise a great deal of influence over kim jong-un? and all of the foreign trade is with china. they definitely have a lot of influence over north korea s economy. i think it is a question mark whether they have direct influence over kim jong-un. he is an independent operator. i think in the past, even his predecessors showed a little bit of a reluctance to always do what china says. right. at the same time, there s not another card to play. this is a very big card. i think all of us come to the same conclusion, that going to war would be a disaster. what we have to do is increase the pressure to enable serious diplomacy. we ve sort of been in a cycle of failed diplomacy for decades now. the unintended winner in this might be china. president trump campaigned, and appointed, certain officials on the basis that china is economic enemy number one. currency manipulator. he is going to balance out trade with china. china might say, we can help you on this north korea thing if you stop calls us a currency manipulator, stop doing things. donald trump already said he s kind of going down that road. i think there are potential concerns about the approach he s taken there, of you help us on north korea and i ll make a deal on trade. one is the message it potentially sends to other countries in the asian region. the question is, okay, is everything now transactional for the united states? right. if it is, what else might they be willing to trade? the fear here has always been, the u.s. and china go to a side room, cut deals amongst themselves and what s that mean for the rest of snus? domestically, this is a president who campaigned on china, huge economic threat, massive problem. it is a big part of what got him ele elected. for domestic constituencies, how do they read this, what it means for their interests? great conversation. thank you for joining me for it. thank you. still to come, in a few hours, president trump is going to sign a new executive order that makes it harder for companies to hire foreign wo workers. we re live with what that could mean for the american work force. your vacation is very important. that s why booking.com makes finding the right hotel for the right price easy. visit booking.com now to find out why we re booking.yeah there s nothing more important than your health. so if you re on medicare or will be soon, you may want more than parts a and b here s why. medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. you might want to consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like any medicare supplement insurance plan, these help pick up some of what medicare doesn t pay. and, these plans let you choose any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. you could stay with the doctor or specialist you trust. or go with someone new. you re not stuck in a network. because there aren t any. so don t wait. call now to request your free decision guide and find the aarp medicare supplement plan that works for you. there s a range to choose from, depending on your needs and your budget. rates are competitive. and they re the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. like any of these types of plans, they let you apply whenever you want. there s no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. so call now. remember, medicare supplement plans help cover some of what medicare doesn t pay. you ll be able to choose any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. whether you re on medicare now or turning 65 soon, it s a good time to get your ducks in a row. duck: quack! call to request your free decision guide now. because the time to think about tomorrow is today. manait s a series of is nsmart choices. and when you replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna made with carbsteady to help minimize blood sugar spikes you can really feel it. glucerna. everyday progress. in a short time from now, president trump will head to wisconsin to sign a new executive order targeting some foreign workers. it s called, buy american, hire american. it cracks down on the visa program that the white house says is being used by some companies to undercut american workers. back with us is chris jansing tat white house. explain a little more what this executive order is likely to do. the visa program you re talking about, president trump talked a lot about it on the campaign trail. what it was designed to do is bring in highly skilled workers from other countries, mostly into the tech industry. this is very important, for example, to silicon valley. but what critics say it s actually done is allow those workers to be brought here, be paid less and keep americans from getting their jobs. so what will this do? well, nothing this year at all, to be honest. the program is already underway. in fact, it won t do what the president said he was going to do, which is get rid of it all together. what it will prompt is a sort of review that they ll have to prove these companies that the workers they re bringing in are necessary workers. it will not touch some of the other programs, some of these other worker programs. for example, the h2b program is designed to bring in seasonal workers. the keend thind the president, example,mar-a-lago. they would not be affected. thank you. as president trump prepares his executive order this morning, the acting director of citizenship and immigration services is being pressed about one part of the order. the h1b visa program. nbc spoke with him this morning. good to see you. we had rare access into the department of homeland security. uscis. i asked what they re doing about the h1b visas. 199,000 applications have been received. that s the lowest in four years. as the organization tries to figure out what to do next, i asked, how are they trying to fight fraud and what are they trying to do? this is what the acting director had to say. the message from the department of justice recently on emphasizing the message on enforcement is helpful to us on the anti-fraud efforts. as we investigate and work with our other partners, we need all of the different input and those actions across the whole spectrum. to, in other words, what we find that we think needs enforcement action, definitely appreciate that being strengthened and supported by the department of justice and others. for those that are, to your question, raise concerns or feel uncertain, i d say this. the h1b program itself, passed by congress 27 years ago, has standards and guidelines we ve been abiding by. our emphasis right now is really on anti-fraud. really, if someone is in all faith and cantor, providing all the information they should, there shouldn t be a concern on that front. our efforts are really focused on cracking down on those that are abusing the program. certainly, it disadvantages u.s. workers. quite frankly, it would also be disadvantaging those that are well-intentioned in using the h1b program itself. the priority is fighting fraud. the issue is acoeos are concerned about the talent pipeline coming from overseas for the jobs that are specific i specialized. one tech firm said we want to expand hiring because we don t know what is going to be next. they re trying not to be political but the controversy is swirling. thank you. tax day is here. this day, in particular, putting president trump under more fire as his refusal to release his tax returns are having an impact on his efforts to overhaul the tax code. this morning, the new york times reports democrats are uniting around a pledge not to cooperate on any re-writing of the tax code unless they know specifically how the revision would benefit the billionaire president and his family. congressional republicans, meantime, are getting backlash from their constituents back ohm as they try to defend the president s refusal to release his tax returns. this is senator cotton of arkansas yesterday. i m wondering if you ll take the initiative to have him release those returns so we can see what kinds of connections he has with different countries around the world. as far as i m aware, the president says he s still under audit. financial times reports the administration s timetable for a tax reform hit a setback. the treasury secretary, steve mnuchin, is pushing back the target date of august, calling it not realistic. joining me the founder of americans for tax reform, an organization that opposes all tax increases. good to see you. good to be with you. the issue of tax reform, there was a sense after health care failed and they said, we re moving to tax reform. i thought, if you thought health care was hard, taxes aren t easier politically. i d argue it is. you have a consensus among the house, senate, white house, the corporate tax income rate at 35% is out of line with the rest of the world. taking it to 20% or 15% solves problems in terms of inversions. also, we have a problem where a lot of pass through companies, smaller businesses, subchapter s cha companies, their rate is over 40%. cut it to 20%. make faster depreciation. these are the big picture items that, quote, unquote, cost the mote. everybody agrees on those. you can argue about different things. they don t, in the present effort, fix the problem for americans who live overseas and work erseas. ght. they get double taxed. they lfix it for companies but don t have plans to fix it for individuals. i hope they can get it done. let me show the viewers what the blueprint talks about. we re using 20% as a number because repeatedly, we ve heard from the white house, it is going to be hard to get to 15%. consensus right now. cutting rates to 33, 25 and 12% eliminate the alternative minimum tax and the estate tax. while there may be consensus on this, there isn t with democrats. when you re talking about comprehensive tax reform, does that matt centner. matter? no. gra grasshoppers, squirrels can t vote on it. we re not voting for anything unless we get this. they re not voting anyway. they re opposed to any reform on obamacare. never mind repeal. no reform. they fought us all the way since they put it in. they re not part of the discussion. you need 95% of democrats to agree, but there are no democrat votes for health care or tax reform. there may be at the end of the day a couple of democrats in completely deep red states who vote for a tax reform once it already hits 50 votes. are you worried about the freedom caucus people not liking something in this tax reform bill? less freedom caucus. they announced any gain of 25 could walk out the door and hold everybody hostage. they created a gang of moderates and appropriators. you always have this situation. you have multiple gangs now because the freedom caucus okayed the other gangs. they ll tell you, no, no, if everybody gave us what we wanted, everything would be fine. well, other people can have that opinion, too, and do. it will come together because the pressure on anybody who wants to be a holdout is so strong because the tax code is so out of whack. the rates we have now, the double and triple taxation of inme becomes indefensible. and the business company and the stock market priced in the stocks that something like this is going to happen. pull that rug out from underneath started to happen. softened things up, asth mnuchi talks about taxes not going through. border tax. businesses aren t liking the idea. a lot of people say, this is going to affect retailers, consumers, going to affect businesses unfairly. what is your take on it? all taxes affect consumers and hit consumers. at the end of the day, all taxes are taxes on consumption, even on investment. the only reason you invest is you plan to consume in the future. arguably, the wealthiest among us, all taxes are not consumption taxes. if you only spend a portion of what you earn well, if you never spend it, i guess you re sitting on money you invest in other people s businesses. right. if you spend the money, yes. so what we re looking at here with the border adjustable tax is that as one of the pay force. the overall plan is a $2.5 trillion cut over a decade. everybody is going to see dramatically reduced taxes. as you move stuff around a little bit in the tax reform part, the border adjustable feature of the corporate income tax, not new income taxes but a feature, it allows you to have a territorial tax system like most other nations do without setting up a police state overseas, which is what other efforts had to do. if you want to replace the border adjustable feature of the corporate income tax, you have to come up with a solution, how you don t have money recognized overseas that isn t taxed at all. right. and you have to come up with about $1 trillion over a decade in reducing some of the other tax cuts or some other tax cut. that s what s the burden is now on the critics of the dat to say, what s the alternativesome. we ll have a good conversation just on that, to discuss what the alternatives are. good to see you. president of americans for tax reform. president trump congratulated turkey sresident on this week s referendum. the expanded presidential powers is seen as a blow to democracy in the region. what the president s call signals about white house priorities in the fight against isis when we come back. a less . so it has the bad breath germ-killing power of this. 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what we have been told is there was a police pursuit, and that he shot and killed himself at some point during or after his pursuit. we don t know anything further but we expect to find out. all right, we will continue to follow this story. the press conference will start very shortly. steve stephens is dead in erie, pennsylvania. that s it for us, we ll go to andrhe news. good day, i m andrea mitchell. the man hunt for steve stephens is over. he recorded the murder of robert godwin and then posted it on social media. he shot and killed himself after a police pursuit in erie, pennsylvania. joining me live now is jacob rascon in cleveland with the latest. we were following developments from our affiliate, we were waiting for confirmation. we know that police were