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At This Hour With Kate Bolduan

>> and he said that it was about 45 minutes to come to that decision, and how do you react to that, bernardo, and what happens, and what do you think that the conversation sounded like in these deliberation rooms? >> well, i was surprised about the quickness of the verdict, and not the actual verdict itself, and having been a former homicide prosecutor myself, and i know the weaknesses and the strengths of the case, and not every investigation was perfect, and law and order of how a trial should take place, it is not reality. and so for the most part they had alec murdaugh comply, and it is a complete game changer throughout the process. because you want to hear the defendant and what he i had to say, did he do it or not do it, and when you are look at six weeks of testimony, and

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The Lead With Jake Tapper

most important people in the courtroom at this time that now have to digest all that information that's been given through the last six weeks. so a major reason why a judge doesn't allow a jury to take notes is because they want the jury to focus on the witnesses, focus on their demeanor, focus on what is being said and how it's being said because they are the judges of the facts, and they are to deliberate as to the credibility and believability of each of these witnesses. so that's why judges majority of the time do not want jurors to take notes, focus on what's being said in the courtroom. >> both you and bernardo brought up credibility here. one of the key facts of this case is that alex murdaugh lied for 20 months about the fact that he was at the murder scene not long before these murders were believed to have been committed. the defense made the case that he lied about it for so long because of drug use. how persuasive do you think that

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The Lead With Jake Tapper

cases, guess what i didn't have, the murder weapon, and the way to address that is, number one, you tell this jury, look, because i don't have the gun, does that maneean that paul and maggie murdaugh were not killed by a firearm? and then two, focus back to the jury instruction. there is nothing in that jury instruction that says that i must produce the firearm for you to find alex murdaugh guilty, and they have those jury instructions with them back in the room deliberating. >> bernardo, misty, our thanks to both of you. k again, the jury in that room deliberating as we speak could go on for some time. thank you. ahead, michigan's attorney general says she was among the targets of one man's plot to kill jewish officials in her state. the court documents revealing the suspect's bizarre social media post about creating his own nation state. plus the alarming trend in iran, hundreds of school aged

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The Lead With Jake Tapper

maggie and paul? he's hoping none of that makes sense to the jury, and he actually asked alex murdaugh on the stand, were the dogs acting up and sense there was something on the property and alex murdaugh answered him nobody else was around. there was no one else there. >> randi kaye, stand by if you will. here to discuss, both criminal defense attorneys and former prosecutors. bernardo, let's start in a bigger sense. how would you assess how this has gone so far for alex murdaugh on the stand? >> john, this has been completely the alex murdaugh show. he took control of the complete direct examination, which we expected, but also of the cross-examination. it has all been about alex murdaugh, and he has controlled the answers that even the questions in this case and he's the witness on the stand. he's not even the attorney who is asking the questions. this just goes to show you, when

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CNN Newsroom

when he called 911 alex murdaugh greeted police and investigators in shorts and a white t-shirt. that was at 10:07 p.m. prosecutors are laying the groundwork for he killed his family, washed up, changed clothes and called police. where are those clothes right now? that's a good question. they didn't discover this snapchat for many months after the murders. they haven't collected that clothing that he was wearing. victor, allison? >> randy, thank you for all that background. let's discuss with criminal defense attorney bernardo. i want to ask you about something that happened outside of the earshot of the jury. the cfo from his law firm was -- had confronted alex murdaugh

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the report. and i want to bring in bernardo, here, with all of the five officers charged with almost identical charges, and what do you make of it? >> hmm. so as we can see, a penny for a pound, and the prosecution is seeking the same charges and will be probably seeking the same sentence for all five of the officers, but abby, i am waiting to see the release of the video and not just the video of the body-worn camera, but i want to see the other video, because the body-worn camera can only depending upon the camera itself give us a certain aspect, so i want to see the entire picture, but we need to brace for the worst. >> you are seeing now the mug shots for all five of the former officers booked into the shelby county jail. that is all of the time that we have for this, but we have much more to come on the story, and we are expecting it in about an hour an update on this case from the prosecutors in memphis,

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CNN Newsroom Live

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american basketball legend is being treated for a brain tumor. the nba released a statement on behalf of his family saying that the 56-year-old is receiving the best care possible from a collaborative team of specialists in atlanta and is in great spirits as he begins treatment. mutumbo was born in the democratic republic of congo. he was enshrined in 2015 playing 18 seasons for six different pro teams. more than a thousand teddy bears will be donated to charity. the stuffed animals including many paddington bears were left outside of buckingham palace by mourners paying their respect. the teddy bears will be professionally cleaned and delivered to bernardo's children's services in the coming weeks. more than a month after queen elizabeth's death we are getting new images with their

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The Big Sunday Show

to a children's charity. queen con camilla says the bears will be donated to bernardo's, an organization that provides services for vulnerable children. what a great idea, love it. eric: so wonderful. especially that video with the queen and paddington bear -- arthel: having a peanut butter and gel -- jelly, so american of me. [laughter] ♪ >> hello, everyone. i'm alicia acuna along with nicole saphier, charlie hurt and tyrus, and welcome to "the big sunday show." here is what's on tap for tonight. >> we all scream about the economy. president biden declares the economy is strong as hell, and his administration is doubling down. >> charlie. >> it's the countdown to the midterms, and democrats don't want either biden or harris to campaign for them, hay apparently want mayor pete. >> is and tyrus.

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