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solution so then more people will run and we are gonna have an overwhelming majority of peopl who agree that we have to do something to keep the kids safe >> congresswoman joanna hayes, thank you. >> thank you so much, simone >> former president trump' indictment is going to go down in the history books folks the question is why? while presidential historian doug brinkley will join me after the break to break dow why other democracies have hel president illegally accountable, but america has not until now. stay with us
>> greetings everyone, you are watching symone. former president donald trum indicted by a grand jury o tuesday. he will be formally charged an fingerprinted. it's the first in american history. we are digging into why there' a debate over whether president, former current should be hel to the same legal standards as you and i. and in true trump fashion, h is lashing out district attorney alvin brag and his staff, even the judg in the case. targets of attacks on social media and we're talking to reverend al sharpton, a man wh knows all about donald trump's history in new york. last republicans, while they are falling in line. the former vice president elec the leaders, even people trump could be riding against in the 2020 primary all defending donald, trum right now. before we even know the charge or the evidence. i am symone sanders-townsend and i have something to say.
you. this rule boggles th imagination. was the role adopted t actually shield president nixon? >> yes, there was a feelin that nixon was going to go under in 73 and this would be way to protect nixon's power but alas, watergate did happen and many of the spiro agnew ha to resign. the vice president, over bribery charges. could've gone to jail but he didn't but then all of the presidents methadone iksan including attorney general joh mitchell ended up doing jail time the president was seen a something unique and leave i to protect we did not have the weir spectacle of former u.s. president or a sitting one suddenly indicted and put in jail that is why trump is such strange aberration going o right now. but in most of american history, presidents either came out o the u.s. military meaning yo learned a code of honor.
famously pardoned roger ston and others but once you're out of office, you honestly, honestly simon are simply a citizen you have to have secret service, yes you have a nice pension bu you are an american citizen an you are not above our judicial system that's where trump misread things, he really is a student of nixon's line from the frost nixon debate were nixon's out of a presiden does it, it must be legal bu trump never said - nixon never said it if an ex president is indicted. it's different, trump's a ma without that kind of privilege that we would like to clai executive privilege and he has none >> he has nine doug brinkley, you always just make it so plain and break all of the things down i am grateful for your voice i this moment. appreciate your time >> oh, thank you >> and thank you out there for watching symone on thi
that they are in what is the significance o that >> it's very significant because you must remembe donald trump had never and the decades that he and i have bee out here in new york and nationally taken a position on the criminal justice or civi rights in his whole career howard beach killings in the 80s, all the way to now. the only time he did that wa taken ads calling for the deat penalty of these young men and of course, then when he go into politics, he entered on brother-ism saying that barack obama was not a real american. so it seems like he only get involved when it's race agains a black and i think you know when we were out there and there was not many activists there were some that we did no even work together but all o those groups that we cam together around the exonerated five he called this all kinds o names and this is because thes kids said to us, their parents
along and take care of it or somebody else is going to note that congresswoman, deming mentioned that he is a habitua defender but they are buying the ticket here i would not expect the bi that the republican lead wil change their tone, after the subsequent in the indictment out of georgia or jack smith which means that the republica party is going to spent much o the next year defending donald trump, defending his character and his conduct and is unconstitutional and illegal behavior this is the choice they've bee making for the last seven years, i think that we can expect tha they will continue to make tha choice >> i believe i read in something you wrote this wee that yet, again what may b good for the former presiden is not necessarily good for th republican party sabrina, we have heard a lot from the republican part apparatus about this but not a much from the top of the democratic party apparatus fro the white house and presiden
whether we were going to mov forward with impeachment, and remember saying one of the democratic caucus meetings outlook, this president is not going to allow us to not impeach him because he is an habitual offender. he will not stop and we have seen the history of violations of law, violations of rules an poor behavior does not have great relationship with th truth and now, here we are so simone, with all of the challenges that are just the system has, i really do believ not just today, not just o friday but for a long time tha nobody is above the law. >> you know, donald trump ha been attacking the new yor county supreme court judge i his case, judge merck sean the judge is expected, again h will preside over this arraignment on tuesday and according to a court administration official, you have donald trump that sai this on social media understanding all of that.
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the judges presiding over hi own criminal trial he will be a crimina defendant. so when have the real stress test is that donald trump is going to use his clout, hi celebrity, his political power to try and discredit the entir criminal justice system. right, now the republica party's on we'll level falling in line behind donald trump bu on a larger level, what they are also doing is by not waiting to hear what's actuall in the indictment, they ar essentially saying that donald trump should continue to b above the law. that any attempt to hold him legally accountable is somehow illegitimate if one of the two majo political parties in thi country has internalized thi idea, that their leader should be untouchable, that a president and former president can never be charged wit anything, than we are in reall fraught constitutional situation here i do think we are seeing thi with threats, the threats of violence the attempts to
duty, honor country, earn your metals many of the countries where, generals colonels and then other groups or lawyers. and when you are a lawyer, you are supposed to understand the constitution of law and order. trump is this bizarre one offe who is for spent his career as kind of a grift or >> it's like a reality tv star >> yes reality tv star >> so, dark i hear what you ar saying about this point abou the spectacle of the america president. there are scholars out there and even some historians tha argue that the founding father deliberately did not put tha kind of provision in the constitution because it implie that the president is above th law. what is your interpretation of that >>, look presidents are no above the law and particularly once you leave office as an ex president, it's true we'd be sitting presidents on th latitude i mean we talk all the tim about a presidents ability t pardon, donald trump and