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Thank you both for your testimony and your service. colonel vindman, wasn't it the case that mr. eisenberg, the attorney, had said to you after the july 5th meeting that you should come to him if you have any other concerns? >> after the july 10th meeting, yes, ma'am, that is correct. >> and it is not going outside the chain of command to speak to a lawyer within the institution; is that correct? >> no, he is the senior between the two, certainly. >> all right. our colleagues on the other side of the aisle have been complaining about other witnesses having only secondhand information. but in b...

Only white house personnel but also state department officials to not comply with subpoenas, to avoid appearing before the house intelligence committee, as they choose to, and so i do think the president will abide by what his own lawyers have told him to do, which is to treat this as though it is not a real investigation. arthel: as g.o.p. lawmakers fight to defend the president and deflect testimony that might point to potential bribery or illegal offenses, can they maintain character attacks or claims the hearings are boring as a sustainable strategy? >> well, the polling right now does act...

That we didn't see on that stage. do you think that's going to hold? >> i think it will hold for a bit. i do think that that debate -- the debate stage particularly the second night, wednesday night, was not democrats at their best. i think that debate only made sense to you if you were actually on that stage because they were fighting with each other over very obscure issues in order to make character attacks. it's not the best way for democrats to run a campaign against trump. but you know, there's a lot of news that happens each week in these campaigns and in a trump presidency. we can't ev...

Yourselves on those campaigns. donald trump does not follow those rules. he does not sort of stay away from personal attacks, from family attacks, from character attacks. so whomever democrats ultimately choose, rev, it's going to have to be someone who can go toe to toe with donald trump. i don't know if that's joe biden, i don't know if that's kamala harris. as a republican, i'm not going to dictate who democrats would choose. but the best advice i'd say to democrats and whoever that nominee will ultimately be, you must be prepared for any and everything. >> the former first lady, some of us...

The dossier. so there were some areas where people could -- what did you make of his testimony? >> for the most part anything with the dossier was he explicit about he had nothing to do with it. the character attacks on the president i think are pretty valid. i think you're just tuning in and you didn't know the president was man of low moral fiber. the notion that this is not dedicated entirely to self interest was the trade, i think, in a lot of a ways what are he stuck up in. said i was the man who pretty much launched his campaign. and he said a lot of racist things. perhaps he's not aware...