check out this footage mountain pass outside of teton pass outside of jackson, wyoming. the road has completely collapsed what is interesting about this is this is the road that connects jackson hole, the playground of billionaires with eastern idaho the only place you can afford to live out there. looks like this summer bunch of them billionaires are going to have to learn how to do their own yardwork. will this survive? hard to say it. [laughter] tough work. before we go do not forget to follow the big weekend show on x, on facebook, on instagram at the big weekend show but that doesn t for us but thank you for joining us we see it next weekend. life, liberty & levin starts right now. . mark: hello america i am mark levin and this is life, liberty & levin sunday. powerful gas for your we have america s governor, florida governor desantis. of america s a wiseman victor davis hanson will be joining us shortly. i ve always said you re the smartest of all audiences, why? we get into things others are not going to get into and other networks and self. i do not do the fan dancing and everything else to grab your attention. substance, intelligence, that is what i do here. we are going to need that today, right now. going to explain something to you. not enough attention is given to what happened manhattan case. the options for donald trump and the american people s in that case s decision i m very frustrated with lawyers who come on tv will heard or read articles that basically says donald trump is stuck in that new york judicial gulags. he is not paid in very troubled by it lawyers who do not do their research. who do not look at the precedent that is in front of us. for the opportunities for president trump and his lawyers to try to get out of what is the new york judicial gulags. there are certain rents we ve talked about before the supreme court can issue but it has to be asked. if it is not asked us not going to do a thing. it does not have original jurisdiction we do not have a court system like they have in israel and other places that can see something in separate going get involved in that, that s not the way it works and we do not want it to work that way we do not want a super legislature for the court system in this country is bad enough quite frankly. so what do we do? what to walk through this slowly so even the lawyers on msnbc and cnn can understand although i don t think they care but we do. the american people. you have in this case, apart from all the local issues and all of the rest issues involving federal election law. issues involving presidential election the highest of federal official in the nation being chosen. you have federal constitutional issues, first amendment, free speech the gag order yes but even more than that the idea a nondisclosure agreement violates campaign laws is not only falls on the law but that would violate the first amendment. the fifth amendment, due process and equal protection rights also conveyed on the states by the 14th amendment as they were ratified that amendment after the civil war the sixth amendment you have a right to counsel the cancel cannot be competent when they re endlessly being interrupted, sabotage cannot call proper witnesses, do not have notice of what laws are involved and so forth and so on. then you have facts. facts that suggest the timing of the case after the federal authorities rejected it, and local authorities rejected at this case was brought for the purpose of interfering in eight itfederal election. a federal campaign. in usurping federal authority. it was timed in order to create a very convoluted, slow appellate process within the state. so major issues could not be resolved because the proper length of the appellate court before the election. so this is an ongoing violation. now the question is whether donald trump will have to wear an ankle brace for that they ll have to get permission from a probation officer every time he travels to a state. whether his sentencings will be stayed in on and on and on. we are all waiting around for politically democrat judges to make decisions that belong in the federal government. this is fundamental. it is not just one instance these are multiple federal constitution and legal issues. they cannot be resolved by the state of new york. must be resolved at the federal level. must be resolved at the federal level the issues are compelling, they are overwhelming for this election in future elections for this republic how we elect presidents and for our electoral system. there has ever been a case that the supreme court should take up and argue would take up it is this case. it checks off all of the unconstitutional and unlawful activities that would trigger supreme court intervention. now i cannot predict that in advance the basic pushback i get from some of the lawyers who do not understand what they are saying is the court is not going to take it up. how do they know? the court took up bush versus gore. bush and cheney campaign or not waiting around for a final decision by the florida supreme court. said while i supreme court will not take up the case, they took that case to the supreme court but they were not even sure how to characterize their case as an emergency appeal the court accepted as written it does not matter. on december 84 3 decision florida supreme court ordered immediate manual recounts up over votes for the office of president and all county were such recounts had not already taken place they were changing state election law. there were chair picking counties out help gore and the bush campaign petition the u.s. supreme court fo first day of te recount order which was granted on december 9 treating the petition as it former request for review. the court agreed to take up the case bush versus gore. the florida supreme court was out of control for their interfering with the eventual electoral count in florida brother trying to deliver the race to gore. the justices, among other things, their flesh and blood. they are human beings for the shower like we did with the eat like we did they do other things like we do and they see what is taking place they saw this court was out of control changing election loss to advantage outdoor the supreme court knew it. oral argument december 11 bush s legal team asserted the florida supreme court exceeded its authority by ordering the manual recount under votes on gore s team contend the case having already been decided at the state level was not a matter for consideration at the federal level. in a ruling issued the following day the court found seven two due to inconsistencies and minute recounting methods the status of jim florida counting florida court order of a mental recount a mandatory violation of equal protection clause in the 14th amendment. by a smaller majority five for the court also ruled note new recount could take place because none can be finished by the safe harbor deadline the date set by federal law by which states were required to resolve any disputes regarding the selection of presidential electors in order to guarantee their final determination quote shall be conclusive and shall govern in the counting of electoral votes is provided in the constitution unquote the extent to which the court went. the stop the florida court was doing to stop that recount in the middle of the recount. to say that is unknown if your deadline has been met that is the end of it. in florida. it is far more extraordinary, far more extraordinary than anything donald trump and his lawyers to be asking the supreme court to do, why? these are federal law, federal constitutional violations. federal jurisdictional violations. by an acting state judge and a prosecutor, by two people. and it is ongoing. sentencing and other issues have to be decided by the local judge. and then the appellate level on the level after that but this is an ongoing violation. it does not matter w what the final court has to say. again if i m donald trump s lawyers i go through that process. but you go to the supreme court of the united states now how do we get to the supreme court of the united states? this is where people get bogged down. the arthe art writs and common . and it really does not matter which you follow here is a piece by former attorney general griffin bell would later become attorney general under jimmy carter. the southern methodist university l law school law revw the fellow appellate courts and it discusses what common law are a discusses it in the context of a specific statute that was passed as part of the original judiciary act in 1789. about to get in the weeds, we are smart and can follow this. the preemptory common law writs are among the most potent weapons and the judicial arsenal. common law writs are used, they are rare use more and more than the federal chain of courts. so, what does he say here? the basis for general judicial supervision over inferior courts if you are a federal court your extraordinary preemptory writs can be found and early, and allow the alt writs act as a direct descendent of the judiciary act of 1789. other than the supreme court which is created by the constitution everything else is created by congress but all of the other courts, the number of courts, how many justices are on the supreme court granted federal courts the power to issue extraordinary writs in aid of their respective jurisdictions for it while it is clear the all writs act authorizes the issuance of traditional, not writs of prohibitions the phrase all writs encompasses common law injunction subpoenas. do not worry about all of that. what that really means is there are many ways of characterizing this direct appeal to the supreme court and relaying the facts and what is taking place under the law to the court. in fact you can use multiple requests it says choosing the correct to obtain the desired relief is no longer necessary in the federal courts, different may be sought alternatively or cumulatively. the choice is not unimportant these subtle distinctions among the various have no effect on the relatively usefulness as vehicles for review. we are not seeking until lockard tory review at the federal level but in effect we are of the state courts activities. hello count before you finish on the estate side we have big questions at the supreme court needs to answer. the jurisdictional pre-requisite for application of the art writs act is simply it beat necessarily appropriate in aid to the jurisdiction of the issuing court the supreme court the company explain the power of the courts of appeals under the act quote the question of negative powers long been settled by this court presents a courts of appeals could at some stage of the proceedings entertain these cases the power and proper circumstance to reaching them. this is an expression of prospective or concurrent appellate jurisdiction, the power of the courts of appeals is not limited to cases where an appeal has already been filed. rather this power of review extends to all proceedings for the actions of the trial judge at some future stage of that litigation may be reviewable parade that applies to the federal chain but as i explained here, we have violations of federal law, federal constitutional provisions by a state court. now the supreme court, the federal government ever get involved in state court decisions? or state law decisions or state regulatory decisions? you better believe it. they are things called express federal which is what we have here federal constitution, federal due process rights. equal protection rights under the constitution applies to the state. federal jurisdiction under the federal election law under a presidential election and i can go on and on and on you have implied federal preemption. you have the states that are obstructing federal preemption of this litigation of presidential activities taken place before it gives the supreme court jurisdiction a states cannot regulate congress which is what it is doing and that court when it takes over authority for determining what a federal election violation is. that is important. the equal protection clause or the due process clause or the first amendment free speech clause about a nondisclosure agreement. federal court started with the supreme court of intervene in state actions before the civil rights issue, death penalty issues, bush versus gore a presidential election issue. you have federal jurisdiction issues and how are they used? the supremacy clause t of uc commerce clause that necessary because when it comes to regulating federal elections, especially presidential election congress has exclusive plenary power the supreme court has overall authority. you have an extraordinary radical extreme multitudinous case of a violation of federal law. whether it is substantive. whether it is processed. whether it is jurisdiction, this is the case. mia s is at first out of the gate i would file comment lot writs for a writs of prohibition that extremes a body exercising public power from exceeding its powers. it does not have it seems like this. you can file a writ of mandamus ordering a lower court to state their action while the court considers it. it might go if they writ a us or see your itchy argo and there s a statutory basis it does not matter. you have got to take it to the door of the supreme court they will decide whether to take it or not and if they don t, shame on them. because if there is ever a basis for what we call a common law writ, it is this. they do not take it in the trump case they will have to take it in the future because these dark blue states are not going to stop unless they are stopped. when i come back america s when i come back america s governor, governor ron desantis. -it really is both. -hmmm. the lexus rx plug-in hybrid. introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. there s news, and there s good news. like thousands of patients receiving free life changing surgeries, from volunteer doctors and nurses on hospital ships. all made possible by donations. we love good news. mark: welcome back america. america s governor, governor ron desantis. welcome. governor, if member of the house he been a governor for a while now you are considered a very, very successful governor. you look at joe biden. he has executive order he puts out he says i m going to fix the border. he destroyed the border. he signed over 90 executive orders and now he signed another executive order. we hear nothing is changing on the border. he not only violates the take care because of the constitution were it not only violates multiple parts of federal immigration law he lies, and lies and lies to the american people more that michael cohen. what do you make of this? ask mark when you re in the position of executive responsibility sometimes bad things may happen that are not your fault for their sometimes bad things are happening if you would have had some foresight you could have headed it off and then there are things that are the sins of omission. the border is a sin of commission by joe biden. he overturned the trump policies that is what has caused the crisis this did not just happen out of thin air it was manufactured and engineered by joe biden. the policy consequences have been disastrous you have highlighted people, i have highlighted people who have lost loved ones for criminal aliens coming in we know what s happening with human trafficking we do with the cartels are doing. then of course that just the sheer number of people you have a liberal jurisdictions but in the interest of illegal aliens over their own people which is outrageous. then you have the constitutional question that you cite. when you put your left hand on the bible and raise your right hand to take the presidential oath you are taking an oath to take care of the laws be faithfully executed. joe biden has systematically violated that oath. he has not lived up to the office of president duty to make sure our laws are enforced and even doubly so as commander-in-chief he has a responsibility to ensure and enforce the sovereignty of our country and he has not done that. and they have lied and 10, 20, how many millions of people it is had negative consequences on american society and in our country and in our sovereignty. then they re going to want to try to pull over the wolves over people eyes sink he is the one doing something for the border. he s going to blame the republicans and congress but the republicans in congress have made mistakes. i think they should have attached the border to all of these appropriations they refuse to do it. but the bottom line is this executive order is windowdressing it is a farce. you and i both know the corporate media s going to run interference for him on this for the rest of the election are going to try to act like the border is taken care of they re going to try to act like he solved the problem. first of all that is not true. second of all whatever happens between now and the election the day after the election he s going to open it back up again. we know that is going to happen it s really up to the american people at this point to put a stop to it. mark: you know joe biden likes accusing president trump of being a dictator, when to put people in prison. that sounds like projection, doesn t it? and on top of that he lies about so much. for instance he supreme court of the united states twice ruled against him. he has defied the courts, the fight a supreme court to supreme court rulings was talk about democracy and the constitution and the rule of law. then he lies and says effectively trump is going to do what he does. what do you say to this a president who is defying the supreme court who defies immigration laws? in fact defies a lot of laws when it comes to this country. what do you say to him? once you have two things one is, you are right this guy is a serial liar. on all host of issues on the border, on the student loans, even minor things he is constantly doing it. the difference is when donald trump was a president he would ve said something with her, out of place you d have 10 quote unquote fact checker from corporate media organizations trying to say that s not true they would do all this and spin this all up there with biden these guys have gone on three aand a half year vacation they basically let him do all of this stuff very rarely is he held accountable. often times an indirect await with just friendly fire. from the whole corporate press you have a president who lies constantly have a president who is not up to the job that is not something they don t want to talk about but on the constitutional question ease in violating the constitution with the student loan gambit. they had the statute on the books for 20 years and all of the sudden that can be used to have taxpayers bai of bail out people with student loans? if eight truck driver is taxed to be able to pick up the student loan of somebody who got a degree in gender studies, that is wrong but it s also not legal. he has not gotten congress to enact that policy do you know why? if congress voted to enact that policy a lot of them will get voted out of office is not with the american people want. he s a flouting the law in a number of different ways. one of the things that is frustrating is there s a lot of people who are apathetic out there about all of this and i do not think there is sufficient outrage and at how he has condud himself in office. mark: we will be right back. nee e and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let s fly! 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(elevator doors opening) (inaudible sounds) i thought you were right behind me. only pay for what you need. liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. our daughter just bought her first house. all by herself. so we went to go see it. she knew exactly how she wanted everything. but then he pointed out the gutters. you think you ve raised them right and then she didn t know. you have to call leaffilter. leaffilter s patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. parenthood is such a wild ride. it s a lot easier with leaffilter. join millions of satisfied homeowners. call 833 leaffilter today or visit leaffilter.com welcome to fox news live i am jon scott and new york b for israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu s urging to change his mind and rejoin the country s work cabinet. eight centrist a member resigned from the government earlier today over netanyahu handling of the war in gaza expect to do step down yesterday that plan was put on hold after the idf rescued four israeli hostages. he is leaving does not pose an immediate threat to netanyahu it means he will need to rely more heavily on his far right allies. former president trump is set to meet virtually with the probation officer for a presentencing interview tomorrow. it is related to his recent criminal conviction in new york. the interview will help the judge to determine his punishment. trump was found guilty as you know on 34 charges of falsifying business records. i am jon scott now back to life, liberty & levin. . mark: welcome back america with america s governor, governor desantis. is joe biden at war with working-class americans, with the middle class in this country? one 100%. think about when he came into office, what did he do? an unprecedented spending spree that is spark the worst inflation we have seen in the last 40 years. he pulls at grocery bills have gone up 50, 60, 70, one 100% since he has been president. their wages have not gone up that much. he also came in and tried to force covid vacs and mandates on people threatening truck drivers with losing their job and other blue-collar people he has allowed the open border and people working some of these states illegally that is depressing wages from working people. then of course if you look at his overall approach to energy policy, he is putting climate ideology over bread and butter economics for the american people. he wants you to pay more for gas pretty want you to pay more for electricity and he wants you to pay more for automobiles. mark, most people do not want an electric vehicle but most people cannot afford an electric vehicle and yet he wants to plunge us in that area. it has been a frontal assault on the middle class, on working people all in service of this bankrupt ideology and by the way, a lot of the big city mayors and prosecutors deserve a lot of the blame for the crime. but biden is right in there with them on wanting to put people back on the streets he supports eliminating cash bail he supports the soros funded proseoffendedprosecutors acrossy and incidentally, in florida we had two of them here one in tampa, one in orlando i removed both of them from their post. they are gone because they put their ideology and their political agenda over their duty to enforce the law. tampa people in their jurisdictions at risk. we are not standing for that in the state of florida. biden was to facilitate that all across this country. in fact you were sued when you fired that prosecutor and you won in court the other day. this is what i mean conservatives need to take risks i do not mean or reckless risks they need to follow their principles and take them through action. this is the one of the things you ve been doing as governor over, and over, and over again it s not enough to whine and complain and wring their hands and we are in positions of power we have to do things people look at your experience in your success as governor, this is what it is about i promise this, these are my principles i am implementing it we will duke it out if we are sued. let me ask you this, why does joe biden hate the state of israel? that is my view and hate the prime minister of israel he never talks down the fascist fundamentalists that run ironic. never talks about president xi and a negative way i don t think he needs knows how to spell kim jon owens name in north korea so it s a relentless war against the israeli, the idf against trent one. what is his problem? what sees a puppet to the far left in this country. he does not want to offend the far left tease he s virtue signg to them. those of pro- hamas people at columbia and harvard aren t taking over the campus for their taking over offices. that is joe biden s base. he s got to cater to them by attacking israel the pro- hamas people, their anti- semitic, anti- israel and that is what joe biden has reduced himself to comment to virtue signal being anti- israel all in the service of trying to scrape up votes among the far left fringes in this country. but what he is doing is not serving america s interest. israel is the only ally in the middle east that we can depend on through thick and thin. they re the only country in the middle east that reflects western values and american values. and benjamin netanyahu has been a tremendous friend to the united states. this is rooted in the biden s ideology and in his weakness as a leader he is sick cow child to some of the craziest moms this country has seen in quite some time. mark: governor, one last question. even that you and in europe has condemned iran for pushing out inspectors because iran is on the precipice of having a nuclear weapon. the biden administration was lobbing france, britain and germany not to rebuke them. they finally voted for it was prolonged of those countries wanted to do it in september. i run as going to get a nuke on his watch because he s not doing the thing to stop them. this is so bizarre obama was the same way and the obama nuclear deal was a total disaster donald trump came in and turn the screws on the iranian regime and that worked the room she on its heels they did not have cash coming in. they could not do a weapon they did not have the wherewithal to do it. biden comes out, floods them with cash their funding terrorism all across the middle east october 7 would not have happened had we had a strong iran policy. he is paving the way for iran to get a nuclear weapon and it is delusional policy but it s a double lead so given his democratic predecessor when vice president tried the same policy and that policy totally flopped. mark: it governor desantis home to think of her think of that in the state. i think you ve done in the country my best to you and your family. god bless you my friend. godspeed, mark. mark: we will be right back. sara federico: at st. jude, we don t care who cures cancer. we just need to advance the cure. it s a bold initiative to try and bump cure rates all around the world, but we should. it is our commitment. we need to do this. mark: welcome back america. i always love having victor davis hanson on the program s got this book out how you get it at amazon.com at any major bookstore and i strongly recommend it. victor davis hanson are the great historian i watched joe biden give the speech at d-day. went back and listen to reagan, his was nothing like there is despite the propaganda in that media i saw the cheap shots. i saw him talk about crane which is good in my view. even though we re spending a lot of money in ukraine he s holding back. hholding the leash back for the seam to determining military pulse in the oval office with a bunch of eggheads. world war ii and part two and the holocaust. many left and went to israel. even more than that give speeches like a black universities and elsewhere trashing the united states. think people in the audience do not have a chance but they have to work extra hard. i am watching him at d-day with great heroes behind him. who fought their lives on the line and someone died to defend an america joe biden does not believe in. emmett wrong about that? so you re absolutely right. as they are leading a group and just exudes how much we owe that generation. reagan was coming off a disastrous and was there in the lecture like biden he talked very softly. it was with a big stick. he had to increase the defense budget he restored deterrence. biden is coming off a successful administration a and the sending and talks loud of her he screams but does not have any sustenance to back it up he talks loud and carries a twig. he kind of yells or emphasis does not fit the somber occasion. reagan is as close to d-day as it reagan is to biden. this generation, the baby boomers he has a baby boomer as am i. you look at perspective we did not carry the burden. i am being candid in comparison to the people at omaha beach. look was sent to the military. recruitment is a weight down because people do not want to be treated this way in the united states military. what he did with the troops on the vaccine for a look at what he does on the budget for china is on the rise. the access is on the rise. russia, ironic, north korea, he does not act like it pretty screams about democracy and a russia and a war coming. is he preparing the american people psychologically? is he preparing the defense department? eight national security and so forth what s with this guy? works i do not know he speaks more negatively of donald trump in cap the country that voted for him they does the existenial enemies abroad for the only thing that excites him is when he says semi- fascist or hyper magna or super maga. he s done a lot of damage and people do not realize the we are borrowing $10 billion a day at a trillion every three months. we alienated you mentioned 45000 recruits and that is the demographic the white mail demographic accounts for that shortfall. the died twice of numbers in iraq and afghanistan and overtly or almost every in the country. that doesn t work. that is on top of the 8500 he drove out who most of them have natural covid immunity they did known to be vaccinated. this is a terrible record i think everyone is worried why that this is recoverable and what year or two or three. if he has another term i am pessimistic for the first time in my life. if we can recover from it. twenty-six oh we come back victor davis hanson how do you come back with all of those crosses behind him on d-day. all of those men the vast majority of whom are white and christian. and then the next day you re more than happy to give a political speech attacking the nation s founding. attacking the nations history. attacking racialized and everything trying to turn america against america. you stood there in front of these men 95, 98 over 100 years old to put their lives on the line. so many died that day and so many battles. not just of the civil war, world war i, world war ii and we go on and on and on. and yet lower yourself to the lowest most grotesque part of the gander and trying to get elected president of the united states for that is my question to you victor davis hanson. we will be right back. home inspectors, general contractors, roofers; all kinds of pros recommend leaffilter. why? 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works i get very upset. that generation is buried beneath the white crosses. they were eight wonderful a wonn if it was not for them they ve not had discussions on a race and the eia. they were a chain make a leak in this great chain of america. i m named after victor hansen who died on okinawa 1945 on may 19 and my father flew 40 missions on a b-29 over japan. they were wonderful people. they were not racist of the type of people who built this country the people coming across the border from all over the country for there not from europe they re coming to a country that was established by so-called toxic white mail founders but why is that? these white mail founders were ecumenical. that it wrote in the declaration all men are created equal the logic extension is that multiracial democracy they created it yet all we do is smear and label them. it is one of the worst things for a leader to speak ill of the dead and they cannot respond. they use modern ideas of morality to go back centuries and condemn them. demagogues especially when he does to the people in the military. you are the only commentary, mark, i ve ever been asked that. that is very sad. most people are afraid to even mention it. mark: it is very frustrating to me. i am jewish. this nation was founded on judeo-christian beliefs. if it was not for the christian majority in this country, i don t think the jewish people would have had a place to go where they could feel safe. and now you see fusion of the marxist islam a and the colleges and universities in the democrat party. which is threatening the whole foundation of this country. this demand, and joe biden just not speak against it pretty gives a speech or to his government does not act against it. and in fact he lobbies it in dearborn, michigan and other places of the country because he wants to get elected. he really is as donald trump says the worst president in american history certainly modern history. lexi is. all you have to say if you are guest from the middle east and you are on a student visa and you break the laws of your host, that is us. you re not going to be here any longer. you ll get your wish to go back to where you re came from since you want to go there anyway pretty always told us is a much superior place to live than where you are now. at if the college of presidents would say it we have rules, you broke then you are suspended for you are expelled. but they don t at stanford university they say if you break our rules and something might happen or could happen or would happen the logical result is a storm the president s office like they did this week and burglarized it. they do not understand deterrence simple deterrence it. if you say something follow it through and treat them if they should beach treat it as a break the laws of the country. mark: the brief moment we have can you think of a single speech in the united states that joe biden has given that is patriotic, that is inspiring, that is uniting to the american people? it because i cannot. because i don t think he can because he has a base of support and this new democratic party. it s not even a democratic party it s up radical neo- socialist party. their world view white males are toxic. anything he says about the past might be acquainted with the majority of white males. he can t say it and he won t say it. it s very ironic talks about privilege but no family has used his for greater privilege from themselves. yet he attacks the white middle class at they have privilege he enjoys. i really do not like what he does at all. think that is one of the reasons he is so unpopular now, so hypocritical. mark: he goes a place like the holocaust museum talks about anti-semitism. he has his foot on israel s throat cutting off armaments to mcgough s independent told this to me is the holiest site our government has. he viciously attacks half of the american people. i think this guy is an arsonist. a political economic societal arsonist. this election is our ability to put the fire out. victor davis hanson thank you for everything you do. it s always an honor to have you. god bless you my friend for a quick thank you for have me, mark. i really appreciate it. mark: we will be right back. e l. the three-row lexus tx. 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and of course, he s trying to become president of america again and the other is about the business models of news, because they are under ever more pressure. and when it comes to the business model, we are also looking at al and journalism, because several news organisations have done recent deals with the big tech firms. so that is all coming up. on this week s programme, we re going to hearfrom andrew neil, who has a brand new show on times radio. he s also the chairman of the spectator group. and we rejoined by caroline waterston, the relatively new editor in chief of the daily mirror. yeah, we ve also got two guests coming out of the states one, katie notopoulos, who s the senior tech and business correspondent at business insider. but the first person we spoke to isjeffrey goldberg, who is editor in chief of the atlantic. and we started off by asking him just to sum up what the atlantic is. how is that even possible? on the rare. just in case people don t know, it s a 167 year old magazine founded in boston. 18. 1850s, before the civil war. politics, culture, literature, remains committed to those coverage areas today. but we try to explain america to itself to some degree. i think that s one of our purposes. we have a monthly magazine with a large subscriber base. we have a million subscribers, including digital subscribers. we reach a pretty wide array of people across the us and other parts of the english speaking world. and i think i m right in saying you re privately owned by emerson collective, which is an organisation set up by laurene powelljobs, widow of the apple founder steve jo bs. just explain to us how that works. yeah. laurene and emerson collective bought the atlantic seven years ago. it works, knock on wood, wonderfully well. she s a great owner. we have complete editorial independence. she s very supportive of the mission, as is the whole organisation. we re a for profit organisation, although emerson collective has a for profit and a not for profit, separate wings. we are profitable on our own, which is a good thing and fairly rare these days. i m just thinking about. i ve been thinking about the washington post a lot of the last couple of days. well, we definitely want to ask you about some of the announcements at the washington post. and we want to ask you about your route to profitability, because that was one of the reasons we were so interested to have you on the programme. before we get into the details of what you ve done at the atlantic, i just, with katie s help as well, and a guest who sjoining us, want to put what the atlantic is trying to do and what all publications in the news arena are trying to do in some context. yes, because katie notopoulos is from business insider, and ijust thought it d be useful if she just gave us a recap on the structural problems facing the industry. because, katie, you know, as has already been mentioned, much of this comes back to advertising, doesn t it? right. so one of the biggest problems isjust that| digital advertising, - which was what supported journalism for many decades or centuries, has sort- of dried up. facebook and google are very effective at being digital- advertisers, and they ve just sucked up a lot of the ad - dollars out there. so if you re a brand i like pepsi, it s easier to put your dollars somewhere else than to run an ad - in a publication. and that has really affected . the industry across the board. and you obviously. there s a lot of other| factors going on, just the rise of digital, - and therefore print is not as popular as it used to be. but i think. you know, there are some bright i spots, and there s reason to be i hopeful about the state - ofjournalism and being able to sustain media businesses. katie, thank you. jeffrey goldberg from the atlantic, let s bring you back in. you launched your online paywall in 2019. tell us about that decision and what s happened since. yeah, well, it turned out to be excellent timing, because the pandemic hit the next year and advertising bottomed out. we re holding our own on advertising. we have good people doing it. and, you know, it s not going to be the primary source of revenue for this company going into the future. we ve switched, actually, since 2019. we re now majority. you know, the bulk of our revenue comes from subscriptions, the consumer business, not advertising, but advertising is still an important part. but we launched this paywall. i mean, obviously, we re a print. we ve been a print magazine since the 1850s. we ve had long experience of being a subscription based organisation. when we entered the internet in a big way in the mid 90s, late 90s, obviously programmatic ad revenue, other forms of advertising, became huge for us. but we finally decided, the company finally decided in 2019 to launch a paywall for a digital product. and thank god we did, because a combination of pandemic news and trump news really accelerated our growth in the next couple of years. and that brought us, we just crossed a million subscribers total. half of those. roughly half of those subscribers are print and digital and half roughly half are digital only. all news organisations are diversifying the type of content that they re making. i wonder, aside from the trademark atlantic long articles which many people will know, what else you offer digital subscribers? well, we have a daily report. you know, we re not building a second newsroom, or a third newsroom in the washington post case, for tiktok videos or whatever it is that they re doing. you don t sound overly impressed, jeffrey. no, i m just feeling generally dyspeptic today. so you re just getting. just getting a general vibe. hopefully, that s nothing to do with you coming on the media show! god, no. glad to hear it. just checking. this is the only meeting i m looking forward to today. sorry, we interrupted you. no, no, no. it s ok. i d rather make jokes than talk about the business ofjournalism. i think that. so when i started as editor eight years ago, you know, all i wanted to do, and i have, you know, laurene s100% backing on this, make highest qualityjournalism, because highest quality journalism is the only thing that people will pay for. you know, if we had put all of our eggs in the programmatic ad revenue basket, we d be in bad shape, and so on. and so i think doubling down on what you do best, and doubling down on making a unique. unique stories that people will actually pay you for to read is the way to go. and so we have a much more. you know, obviously, 30 years ago, before the internet, the atlantic came out, it was a, you know, more leisurely paced thing. today, we publish every day. we publish, you know, every hour in busy times. but we re still trying to maintain that level of quality and differentiation so that we can convince readers to become subscribers. i m going to pause you there, sorry, just to bring in andrew neil, because some of this with your spectator hat on must be sounding quite familiar. jeffrey s talking about a million subscribers. how. you re a subscription model as well? we are a subscription model. the spectator has about 100,000 subscribers in the uk, 20,000 in america, because we just launched there, and about 12,000 in australia. if you get the business model right, the digital age can be a golden age forjournalism and publications like atlantic monthly and the spectator. but you need to get it right, and you need to realise that the old business models will bankrupt you. so when i took over the spectator in 2005, 65% of our revenues came from advertising. today, it s less than 10%. advertising is only our third biggest revenue stream. we ve had to seek new revenue streams. we put a very tough paywall up about 12, 14 years ago. 80% of our revenues now come from subscription. and it s a wonderful business model, because subscription revenues are predictable. i know within 5% plus or minus what s coming in this year, because i know the renewal rate, i know what the marketing will produce, and it s not subject to the economic cycle, unlike advertising, which is highly unpredictable. so you get that right and you re a golden age. the poster child of all this, of course, is the new york times, which now has nine million subscribers, more foreign correspondents than it s ever had in its history. and they got in early, didn t they? that was part of it. they got in early, as some of us did too. the times and the sunday times in this country are now highly profitable on the subscription model. and then you need to look, in addition to subscription revenue, for other streams of revenue, streams that you would never have thought of before. so, for example, of course, you still take some advertising. you take very little programmatic. because here s the problem if you re a subscription model, you re providing a premium website, and you don t want your website punctuated by endless ads for things that you have no control over. so you really need to control that. and you re talking about digital dimes in terms of programmatic, but instead, you do newsletters, you do podcasts, you have spectator tv and other ventures like that. and above all, our second biggest stream of revenue events. we do events that expand the brand and bring in a ton of money. 0k, caroline waterston, i want to bring you in because this presumably isn t sounding very familiar to you because it isn t something that you re doing at the mirror. have you ever thought about subscription? have you ever thought about a paywall? it s not on the mirror s agenda. i mean, certainly from my point of view and from the mirror s point of view, you know, i believe that our content should be available to a wide community and not just those that can afford it. you know, we are a news brand. i want to ensure that everyone has access to our content, and certainly it s not on our agenda. but what does that mean financially? you re taking a hit. do you believe. ? imean, are.? are you essentially of the belief that a paywall is this too dramatic, a paywall is a threat to democracy? is that how you see it? no, it s just not on our agenda at the moment. that s because it doesn t work. we talked. well. for red top tabloids, it doesn t work. the sun tried it and had to abandon it. you know, it s different with atlantic, spectator, times, sunday times, financial times. people are willing to pay. ..new york times. people are willing to pay for that kind ofjournalism. the problem with what we used to call the red top tabloids is that people won t pay for it digitally. of course, in the old days, they paid for it by putting their money down to buy the paper. but it seems that a lot of that kind of content, they think they can already get almost for free on the net. so they re not. it s a. of allthe. you know, all of our industry from the top to the bottom has had to withgo digital waves of change. the toughest part of the market to get right is the red top tabloid part of the market, because the subscription model doesn t work. caroline? yeah. and, look, good quality journalism is exactly what we want to do. but good quality journalism shouldn tjust be available to those that can afford to pay it. so, yes, we are an ad model. ads help fund. ..our journalism. and certainly. that s where we are at the moment. in terms of the experience of the user, the digital user of yourjournalism, do you have any concerns that the proliferation of adverts, which you need in order to fund the work you re doing, lessens the experience? look, it s something i think about every day, but, you know, ads are a part of life, and certainly from the mirror s point of view, we have to produce good quality journalism, and ads help us do that. 0k. let s bring you back in, jeffrey goldberg, because what about your experience in the us, particularly relating to donald trump, who we know back in 2016 drove huge levels of news and news related content consumption? are you seeing the same thing this time around? 2016 and 2020. i wouldn t say. well, first of all, we have a much tougher paywall, so that limits the sort of explosive numbers that you would have seen 2020, 2016, in particular. i think there s also fatigue. you know, these are. these are characters in now what would be called a long running drama, right? trump and biden as well. i think there is some fatigue with it. all that being said, yeah, there s. there s obviously an unusual election taking place. i m trying to use the most anodyne words possible. there s a consequential election taking place and people are. our kind of reader in particular is going to be very engaged in it. but, you know and i think this is a lesson from the washington post in a way you can tjust assume that political news will continually spike for you. i mean, you have to do the thing that s the right thing to do for your publication. it s mission first. and if you forget that, you re going to lose your subscribers eventually anyway. butl. we re not going to see the same crazy numbers that we saw in the past. but obviously, this is not a normal election. and trump does draw an extraordinary amount of attention. i want to ask you further about trump, but you ve alluded to the washington post a couple of times. we should say that on monday, sally buzbee, we heard, was leaving her role as the washington post s executive editor, to be replaced by robert winnett from the daily telegraph. and will lewis, who s the ceo of the washington post, said, we are losing large amounts of money. your audience. this is to staff. your audience has halved in recent years. people are not reading your stuff. i can t sugar coat it any more. so the washington post is looking to change its strategy. but coming back more broadly to donald trump, this is a question we ve asked a number of times on the media show over the years, but it doesn t make it any less pressing. you ve called the election consequential and unusual i m sure there are other words you would use, too. how do you, as the editor of a hugely consequential magazine and publication in the us, approach the challenge of covering donald trump? and i m interested to ask andrew and caroline the same question afterwards. you know, we. we had this problem in 2016, where we were trying to. you know, we were following the old rules, you know, to some degree, which is. and the old rules were the old rules of coverage, what people would call both sider ism. the old rules worked.when you had candidates who operated within certain lanes, lanes of self restraint, lanes of adherence to democratic norms, when candidates felt shame and repositioned themselves based on feedback, regarding the things that they do. you know, the most important thing for me, and, you know, we try to get it right, and a lot of other people are trying to get it right, and a lot of people are trying to catch up the most important thing is that we describe things plainly. right? not euphemise, because donald trump s behaviour is so novel i mean, it s not novel any more, but it s still novel historically and that. you know, and that we don t become. and this is what i m always encouraging our staff about. we don t normalise to this. our own, you know. oh, well, trumpjust said that, you know, the north korean dictator s head is made of cheese. oh, who cares? he always says stuff like that. no, and we have to do it every. we have to report the oddness, whenever it erupts, and that. by the way, this means. we re notjoining the resistance. we neverjoined the resistance, which means we also questionjoe biden s capacities, for instance. that s how you re approaching it at the atlantic. i wonderfor the daily mirror here in the uk, caroline, how do you.? do you approach donald trump like any other politician? or are there particular things you tell your colleagues look, we have to be careful here ? look, trump is an interesting character, but at the weekend, you ll hopefully have seen we actually had the world exclusive of stormy daniels, post everything that happened last week. and, you know, the content that comes out of trump in his everyday life and how he acts, i mean, it creates brilliant, brilliant content for our audience. that s honest. yeah. andrew, let me bring you in here now, because we have senior british executives at the wall streetjournal, the washington post, cnn and bloomberg news. what do you make of this exodus of senior british editors in the direction of the us? bbc too. mark thompson. mark thompson, former bbc. ..is at cnn and was at the new york times. of course, we always put ourselves down, but british journalism is vibrant and dynamic and hugely successful. and we know how to write and we know how to write concisely. well, not for the first time on the media show, we ve been talking about artificial intelligence, and the item that we re going to see now is all about search results that are being produced by new ai products. yeah, this is quite a fun one because google has got a new search called ai overview, a search product, and it is coming up in some cases with some pretty crazy results. and i started by asking katie notopoulos, who s the senior tech and business correspondent of business insider, tojust explain how it all works. so it s not on every single search, it s only on certain searches, typically ones that are sort of asking a specific question versus, you know, searching somebody s name or something like that. and it basically gives you a little bit of. maybe a couple sentences, a little paragraph, maybe a few bullet points that essentially answers your question. and this is probably very useful for most searches most of the time. but it was initially sort of riddled with laughable errors. i mean, one of the things that i do know that you did this really is dedication to yourjob you made a pizza with glue and ate it. just explain why you did that. slightly gimmicky. i m assuming it was for a piece. it was. piece of pizza! americanjournalists are ready. all in the line of duty. ..to undertake these big challenges. laughter. yeah, some people have to cover donald trump s trial. some people have to eat pizza with glue on it. right. basically sounds like i the same thing, really. exactly. laughter. one of the sort of silly answer that was going most viral on social media was someone had asked, how do i get the glued cheese to not slide off my pizza? and google suggested, you know, let the pizza cool for a while. and then it also said, add one eighth of a cup of glue to the sauce. so you re the only person in america who did it. ..it had sourced that little piece of information from a reddit comment that had suggested that obviously as a joke. and everyone on reddit at the time, when they were reading it, could understand in context that the person was making a joke that to keep the cheese from sliding off your pizza, you should add glue to the sauce. google sort of couldn t understand that this was satire, that it was a joke. so, not great. i mean, ijust should bring in. well, google have said about this, because they ve told the bbc, these were isolated examples, generally very uncommon queries, and they aren t representative of most people s experiences, and that the vast majority, it says, of ai overviews provide high quality information with links to dig deeper on the web. and it said it s taken action where policy violations were identified and it was using them to refine its systems. just in the last couple of minutes of the programme, let me ask a further question about al, and it comes down to when big organisations that have content, like the atlantic or the spectator or the mirror, decide whether or not to share all of that content with the big language models that are training generative ai. and jeffrey at the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, you ve cut a deal with openai. tell us about the discussions within the atlantic, whether you were weighing up whether to do that or not. well, ijust have to be technically clear about something. the editorial team has independence from the business side of this operation, but the business side has independence from the editorial side. and this was a decision made by the corporation and by our business leadership to do this. and so.i was certainly told about it, and i was.invited to share my views on it, but, you know, i. what are your views on it? well, i have my ambivalence about it. i mean, i don t want to. i forget who was saying this before, but, you know, the internet has turns out been great for a place like the atlantic. we reach many, many more people than we used to because of the internet. i don t want to be, you know, sort of axiomatically luddite about this sort of thing and say, ai is only a threat, but i have my deep ambivalences about.ai and what it s going to do tojournalism and also, by the way, humanity and the future of our planet. all that being said, ai is coming whether or not i want it to come. and it s a little bit like, to me, complaining about the weather. the weather doesn t care that i don t like it. so i ve got to dress for the weather, and dressing for the weather in this case means trying to figure out a way to have a relationship with openai in which openai doesn t eat you for lunch. let me just ask quickly caroline and andrew very quickly, if you would. caroline, how s the daily mirror viewing the idea of sharing its content with these ai, these big ai operators? we wouldn t. we wouldn t want to. you re not planning to do that yet? no, we re not- planning to do that. and the spectator? we won t do that until we know a lot more about it. if it s another potential stream of revenue that doesn t carry risks, that s one thing. but we need to know a lot more. for me, the al s biggest opportunity is on the commercial side. i think a lot of the ai can help us run the company commercially much better. we can learn more about our readers, about usage of the app, usage of the website. all that sort of thing is fine, but forthe moment, i ll keep editorial separate. and i lljust add, the new york times is taking a very different approach to this. it s not collaborating with openai. in fact, it s suing for the theft of its content. so we re going to watch how that plays out. and i was at the enders deloitte media conference yesterday, where anna bateson, who runs the guardian, said they would do a deal with an ai company, but only on the right terms. so there you go. well. something to end on, because that is all we have time for, i m afraid. thank you so much to katie notopoulos from business insider and, of course, andrew neil from times radio, but also the spectator. and caroline waterston, editor in chief of the mirror, and jeffrey goldberg, editor in chief of the atlantic. well, thanks very much indeed to all of our guests. fascinating to hear their perspectives on all those issues. i suspect it won t be the last time we turn to ai, to business models of news, to covering donald trump, but it was very interesting to hear from all of them. i think you re right. thank you so much to everybody. that was the media show. we ll be back at the same time next week. bye. bye bye. and if you d like to hear a longer version of today s show, search bbc the media show wherever you get your bbc podcasts. hello there. it s been a pretty decent start to the weekend. there was a good deal of sunshine around across most of the country. a bit of cloud here and there, a few showers, mostly in the north. part two of the weekend doesn t look quite as good. it will start sunny, quite chilly. but we ve got a couple of weather fronts pushing down from the northwest that will increase cloud through the day, with some splashes of rain. now, we ve got this weather front approaching the northwest of the country to move through this evening. showers merging together to produce longer spells of rain for the north and west of scotland. so unsettled, breezy, showery in the north, turning cloudier for northern ireland, but clearer skies for large parts of england and wales, with lighter winds here. so it will turn chilly for most. single digits, i think, for the majority of the country. but with more cloud across northern ireland, we will fall to around 10 degrees in belfast. so sunday, then, we ve got low pressure still towards the norwegian sea there, bringing northern westerly winds into the country. we start off with quite a bit of sunshine. scotland, england and wales, cloudy skies for northern ireland, southwest scotland, in towards north west england, north wales. and that cloud, with splashes of rain, will spill south eastwards through the day. so it will turn cloudy across much of england and wales, probably the best of the sunshine across the far southwest, and the northern half of scotland doing pretty well, with sunny spells. but there will be blustery showers here and a cooler day to come, i think, because of more cloud around temperatures of about 12 to 17 degrees. as we move through sunday night, that area of rain splashes across the irish sea, into much of england and wales, becomes confined to southern and eastern areas by the end of the night. so where we have the cloud and the rain, then, a less cold night here, 10 to 12 degrees under clearer skies. further north, it will turn chilly. we start to pick up a northerly wind as we move into monday. that rain slowly clears away from the south and east. it may take a while to clear the east of england. eventually, it will do. then it s a bright day for most, sunshine and showers. most of these across the northern half of scotland, where they will be quite blustery and a chilly northerly wind at that. temperatures, 10 to 14 degrees in the north, 15 to 17 further south, giving some sunny spells. and we hold on to this chilly northerly wind through tuesday, even into wednesday as well. before low pressure starts to move in from the southwest, that ll cut off the chilly northerly and temperatures will slowly recover towards the end of the week. but it s going to be a fairly unsettled and a cool week to come, with a little bit of sunshine here and there. live from washington this is bbc news. four israeli hostages abducted last october are reunited with their families after israeli forces free them from captivity in gaza. , says 200 palestinians were killed in that raid by the idf. two hospital say they have counted scores of bodies. we will have the latest from the uk general election campaign as the conservatives pledged tax cuts and labour promises to help small business. good to have you with us. four is really hostages taken by hamas during the october seven attacks have been reunited with theirfamilies. israeli forces in gaza killed scores of palestinians in the operation to free them. special forces raided two locations in broad daylight. one soldier was killed. thomas says that more than 200 palestinians were killed in the operation. a military is spokesman said they were under 100 palestinian casualties. a top diplomat condemned the raid and in a post on xjoseph borrell wrote that reports from gaza of another massacre room calling. we condemn this in the strongest terms, the bloodbath must end immediately. joe biden s free step plan is put forward as a way to end the killing. the us president spoke out. here is a press conference. i out. here is a press conference.- out. here is a press conference. ., ., . .,
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yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. i just went to a riggs trial in new york. s first public campaign stops and says guilty convictions. if we don t win this country is finished. i really believe that, i think it is finished. i simply refuse to believe that america s greatness is a thing of the past. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle. we are now 151 days away from the election, and the contrast between the two presidential candidates could not be any clearer. this week president biden took action to close the border, and then traveled to france for the 80th anniversary of d-day where he stressed u.s. support for our allies. at donald trump, on the other hand, rallied against his guilty verdict, the judicial system, and then threatened to seek revenge with any possible person who has slighted him. let s bring in our nightcap and discuss all this. my friend, steve liesman is here. lizz winstead, cocreator of the daily show. she is also the cocreator. pablo torre, host of the public toray podcast. and to ray, host on thegrio. we look at this week you have president biden talking about freedom and the fight against tyranny, both 80 years ago and today, and then you have donald trump talking about how revenge is justified. liz, talk to us about where these two campaigns are and where they appear to be headed? tyranny of the past and tyranny of the present is basically what we are talking about. where are they heading? sometimes i honestly look at these two things and i think will the selection simply come down to will trump have more disillusioned people that won t show up or will biden have more dissolution people that won t show up? and that scares me. because i feel like for those of us doing the work, in the streets every day defending people s freedoms, if trump wins again, what we are facing is no dissent. and with no dissent we cannot challenge any of it. but, if he wins again there is no surprises about who donald trump is. in 2016 you can make the argument. people don t realize who he is. remember, he had all these people like no, no, you don t realize what you are in for. america knows exactly what they re in for. you say no. you know, there seems to be a lot of delusion. we hear a lot about the trump era was great, the trump administration was great. as if coven just did not happen. as if there was some reason why those last two years just don t count against his record. i don t remember covid but i definitely remember infrastructure week. infrastructure week was every week. i feel like trump is the most selfish person in the world, and everything revolves around me personally. every political issue comes back to me, myself. this woman asked him, this reporter asked him, katie from alabama wants to know what is your relationship with god? and he said i do very well with the evangelicals. that is not the question you were asked! and biden, to me, seems very outward. he is thinking about others. how can i help other people? think about the key moment of his life, losing a major chunk of his family in one horrific moment, as a relatively young man. who learned empathy, and to think about others and the importance of family. and this other person, who every bad characteristic we don t want our children to have, he has. i think what you said, you know, what is the question being asked and what are we trying to answer as instructed to what the biden campaign, i believe, should be trying to do? framing this even beyond needing to pay attention to the newsday today. more choice between extremism and not. i just wonder why we are not generally describing trump more as an extremist. forget about, again, let s not forget about the issues, people on the ground doing good work. when it comes to what are we expecting out of this, do you want someone who feels like they are attacking every institution, who is, again, do we need to recite the litany of felons and felonies? let s just talk about not being that. okay, but here is possibly why i think this is playing out. because, though they shouldn t be, president biden is focusing voters on democracy and on freedom. and these are fundamentally important things, but somehow they get viewed as kind of lofty ideals, and trump goes straight to the gut and grievance. because people don t know what it is like not to have it. i lived in russia for six years. they didn t understand democracy. they didn t know what it was like to not be, sort of the possibility of randomly being arrested and otherwise having appeal. but can i just go back to the beginning of the show? did all that stuff in this montage happened just this week? and there is 151 days, which means 21 weeks if my math is right. i m wondering if i have the stamina to make it through this, if this is just one week s worth of stuff. i really think this is going to be rather a dramatic, caustic, and i think biden is going to have to really bring home what is the absence of democracy, which is a very tough thing, whereas trump has only to say look, we can do all these things, everything can be great, and full of wall is not a sinitic and thing people think about. trump is a great salesman for his diseased ideas. biden has not yet shown himself to be a great salesman of his ideals, of what he has done. and there is a very significant and real and honest critique of biden from the left. that he has not done enough on what is going on in gaza. and there are a lot of people who would be democrats otherwise who will not support him because of that. i hear you. what s the conversation to have with that voter about what former president trump will do with the situation in gaza? was it not nikki haley a few weeks ago, when she went over there and said it is the job? you know, what lizz said about the margins is important. don t think about the potential, the imaginary hypothetical biden trump voter. i don t think that person really exist. there are a couple, but not many. there is a lot. know, the election is going to be about can trump get people who will say it is either trump or stay home? and can biden get people who say it is either biden or i stay home? the election is going to be won on those margins. and biden does have this significant issue, that a lot of people. there is agoing around on it tiktok . i don t know if using it. tiktok, home of misinformation central. we can talk about tiktok later. but they asked with man, gun to your head, would you vote for biden or trump? and he said the gun would go off . it is a meme that has been shared by people who are saying i will not go with any of them. this is my point about extremism or not. biden should also be as popular as the field broadly. do you want trump or anybody else? we are at a point where trump is not just specifically dystopian in the ways that we may remember or not, based on our experience during the pandemic. he is also just clearly against the will of all is the concept. so i think the question of democracy is how do you make this a tangible, scarier thing? because currently i think talking about democracy as a concept is a little pie-in-the- sky. the thing about democracy dying in darkness did not really work as a slogan for the washington post. it this week, with the remembrance of d-day, it was not just the stark contrast between president biden and donald trump. it was also between donald trump and ronald reagan. ronald reagan gave one of the most important speeches of his presidency in normandy. he stood against russian aggression, he stood with his nato allies. so isn t there question to ask of all republican voters, where has your party gone? because the current gop and what donald trump represents bears almost no resemblance to ronald reagan. correct. it is why you saw joe biden looking almost like reagan and referencing him while he was in france this week. i mean, i am just not going to go down that path, because i am somebody who doesn t have friends who are alive because of ronald reagan. so when i think about waxing back to the people who laid the foundations for this evolution, trump did not come to us in a vacuum. trump came to us because people laid foundations for hatred and bigotry and sexism. and i feel like i don t want to go back to the party that i could recognize of ronald reagan. but what i do want to say is people that we are leaving out of this conversation are the voters. i am constantly saying to people the election is not the end game. it is the starting game. you get the democracy you want and you get the democracy you participate in. and who do you want to fight? that is my whole thing. who do you want to fight? do you want to fight a madman? or do you want to fight somebody who might listen to you where you can get the needle move? because these other people. i do not think the election is going to be won by biden if he is taking democracy his issue. i think it has to be the economy. all of our polling shows people are most concerned about inflation, most concerned about jobs, most concerned about the economy. democracy should be like the sprinkles you get with the ice cream cone, if the ice cancun is the economy. but without a functioning democracy you can throw your economy out the window. that the economy is always the number one issue. finish your thought. i was just going to say that if he does not win it on the record that he is running on which is a strong one. which is a pretty strong one , and a vision of the future, i don t think he wins it by saying i am the democracy guy and that guy isn t. we are talking two different languages as far as the folks who may vote for biden and the folks who may vote for trump. i mean, this is not about issues at all. this is about personality. this is about who you believe. and the people on the right, like joy reed talks about earth one and earth two. the people on the right live on earth two. and we can sit here and believe the nothing that you believe is factual. we can go on and on. january 6, climate change, the election, the trial. but they are affirmed in their miss belief constantly, and they think we don t know what is reality. this is why i feel like the whole felonies thing should and hopefully does cut through to a silent majority, not to evoke reaganism s, but a silent majority of people who are like i am in earth one resident that i am just not that proud of it. it is, for me, a bridge too far, when we have a convicted felon surrounded by felons being again in the white house. i feel like i just want to simplify it down to do you want the felony guy or anyone else? that is a great question. donald trump wanted more than his face, wouldn t he be doing everything possible to court the nikki haley voter? he disrespected nikki haley in every possible way and still she endorsed him. if she actually wanted to win, it wouldn t he say she is my running mate, let s go for the gold? he hasn t, instead it is president biden who is putting together a coalition to try to go to for those voters and risking losing progressive voters in the mix. i wonder when we say nikki haley voter, i would wonder if they were not so psyched about nikki haley, or if they were just like i don t want trump. i am not like everything about nikki haley is just awesome. people weren t saying that. i feel like him going for that voter after he saw emma we saw the numbers after iowa. was it 28% of those people who said if nikki haley is not the nominee i could possibly vote for biden? i think when trump doesn t go out and try to expand his base he never has. but let me finish. why is even doing that? that should be the sign to everybody, he is not trying to expand past due. he is not looking at a world for you. can i do some reporting here with lizz ? i might be messing up the order of your show here. but when roe was first overturned we saw abortion rise up to the top of issues. since then we have seen it fall down. and i know the democrats are making a big deal of the abortion issue. do you think it is something that motivates voters? i don t think it is going to be democracy, and i am wondering if it is going to be abortion as something that trumps the economy, for lack of a better term, and becomes a real motivating issue. well, i am the right person to ask. no, no, only because you might not know this, i am on the ground all the time talking to people. and this is where democrats are actually making a mistake. i do think abortion, abortion polls better than politicians. in these ballot initiatives we are seeing in over a dozen states were initiated by the people, not by politicians. by the people. people who held their abortion stories to themselves for years, saw this as a time, and this isn t a couple people. you have to get 200, 500 in florida, 900,000 validated signatures to get it on the ballot. the question is will people vote for biden and the initiative, what we saw in kansas, the very first one, that people voted overwhelmingly for their abortion initiative and still voted for some of the people who created the laws in the first place. what? so, what we should carefully be looking at is these initiatives, i think, are going to greatly help down ballot. they are going to help senate races and places that will be surprising. congressional races. and will people say i am going to vote for everybody but biden? that is the question somebody needs to answer. we can do that in the next poll. we can ask about that. please do. the president took pretty aggressive action on immigration this week. it has been a vulnerability for him. republicans are going to say it is too little too late. how do you think it is going to play out? and just to be clear, republicans have done nothing on immigration, and thanks to donald trump, blotch doing anything legislative. this is how the republican party has shifted the overton window in their direction. we talked about the border, and about immigration. immigration is not a central issue in american life. it is not the source of crime, it is not changing the economy. republicans have made it this central issue. and people believe it. whether it actually is an issue in daily life are not is somewhat irrelevant, because republicans have been successful in convincing the american people. that s what i m saying, they have made us think about it when it is not as important as they wanted to be. i think this is the frustration for anybody who is not trump, joe biden specifically. your running election campaign, and administration based on it, i think, a practical execution of hopefully reasonable and increasingly moderated policies, and donald trump is running on vibes. it is a vibes based campaign. and the question, fundamentally, returns to turnout. vibes is too polite award for a period anger, resentment, ancient nightmares awake into the bloodstream of people who feel like they re being threatened by non-threats. i m sorry, i have a different view on this. i want to see the person advising biden on the politics of immigration fired. i think he has been behind the curve on this. he has let the republicans take this to a place where it shouldn t go. from a narrative perspective, but not a policy perspective. what have they done on the policy front? from a narrative perspective, if he is doing what he is doing now, why couldn t he have done that months ago? okay, fine. but hold on. you can argue with when he did it, but now he is doing it. now he is doing it. what have republicans done? nothing. they have objected to a deal that was apparently done that was agreed to, but the second thing i wanted say they want to continue to set this up as a problem. the second thing i want to say is there are some issues where you want to take on the lack of facts and the misdirection had on. this issue of immigration, i think, should be one that should be approached with much more sympathy for the people who are afraid and scared, and i think rather than head on white, which people? the immigrants? the people in montana who are worried about people crossing the border in xcode. you don t make it to montana. never make it to montana. so we should worry about what people in montana and west virginia should think about it? we already do. this is what is motivating them. and i think there is a way to address this in a way that is more understanding and less in- your-face. more understanding of what white people in montana think? exactly. here s why, because they vote. i don t think steve is saying because they are white. hold on a second. i don t think it steve is saying that person in montana is right. i think what he is saying is they vote. at the very least you have to acknowledge who that person is, where they are, and speak to them. the issue has already coddled them immensely by wrapping them in this notion of the demonization, i mean, so many americans would think of immigration and think of somebody getting murdered by an immigrant. but that is not the core of our relationship with immigrants in this country. and the right has made it that. yes, but the most important word that you said right there is made. because they made it that. because they solidified this falsehood, you have to at least address it and try to start solving for them. and you understand how people are scared? but who is scared? white people? white people. but we are continuing to be asks to be sensitive to the fears of white people? that are not real fears. it does not matter if they are real fears. they vote. i guess it is my question. genuine human empathy is being considered anybody s peers. i think we are trying to do empathy but also cold calculus about getting their votes. we are trying to disabuse them of the lies and ways that damages them in terms of their sense of security and sense of self. but before we get back in, i just want to ask what does it take to coddle the abstract montana and that is afraid that someone in mexico is coming over to take their job? there is a community i know in wyoming. they had no people from south america. all of a sudden they had 12 people. this was a huge change for them, and everybody, all of a sudden they had to teach esl. great, and guess what? that town in montana or wyoming had jobs for those people. they absolutely did, and those people added to the jobs and there were not people to do the jobs they were doing. all that is good stuff. i am just saying the change, the challenge makes people uncomfortable. i am wondering before we take them head-on if there is a way to talk to them. in an understanding way. last point. this is bigger than the immigration. because this is the republican pattern. create a fear that is not real, pass legislation that only harms other people, then the fear stopped because it never existed. and they think they won. they have done it with abortion, they have done it with lgbtq, trans people. there s kids who are pooping and cat boxes in schools! no, there isn t. if they were kids pooping in cat boxes in schools, high school kids would have put it on instagram. so, to me, it is a microcosm of the playbook and how do we dismantle that playbook to stop having that fear, and stopping the bs around it? we have to go to commercial, but i don t actually think you and steve disagree. i don t. no, i am not prioritizing the feelings of white so we do disagree. but i think that all steve is trying to say here is these people and their fears, he is not saying let s appeal to them. but if we simply ignore it then we are sending this people into trump s arms. we can practically see the statue of liberty when we walk outside this building. we are supposed to be a nation that welcomes immigrants. i mean, none of us were born here, right? but now we have this very hateful, xenophobic approach to a certain kind of immigrant. it is disgusting, and the notion that we should kowtow to the fears that have been grading these people. i am not saying you are kowtowing to anything, but if you don t at least speak to that person you are sending them into the arms of donald trump and going wild are that these people voting for donald trump? because they are getting it to work. and i am not saying they should be coddled. i am saying shouldn t we at least acknowledge them and get a basis of truth back to the center? this is part of what we are talking about when the new york times does what is going on in the world? we ask trump voters. they don t care, we don t care what they think. we don t have to be constantly checking in with what they think. i also think it is the responsibility of white people to educate white people. it should not be placed on lichen brown people and immigrants. i would like to know what it would take to achieve the persuasion that immigrants are not so scary. i would like a practical proposal before i decide to sort of center the feelings of people who are fed lies. what if you didn t reject the fears? and by the way, i am wanting to correct the record. i m not talking about coddling the fears of white people. i feel like there 20 a black and brown people concerned about immigrants coming over the border, taking their jobs. no one is taking anyone s jobs, we have a labor shortage. you have been there could be a rainbow coalition of people who believe that there isn t. i think we acknowledge the people have a right to have fear and be concerned, and not dismiss those fears. besides the four of you, someone else is screaming at me and it is the producers. we have to go to a commercial. there s five people yelling. when we return, the last four years have been great for the wealthiest americans. so i want to know why so many of the richest of the rich are opening their wallets, their hearts, their minds, and buying into his propaganda and pushing donald trump. i need some answers to this. and later, phenom caitlin clark gets hip checked and starts a bigger conversation about women s basketball when our nightcap and the 11th hour continues. s. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: marnina learned that most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. if you have hepatitis b, don t stop dovato without talking to your doctor. don t take dovato if you re allergic to its ingredients or taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects. if you have a rash or allergic reaction symptoms, stop dovato and get medical help right away. serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems, or if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. dovato may harm an unborn baby. most common side effects are headache, nausea, diarrhea, trouble sleeping, tiredness, and anxiety. detect this: you could stay undetectable with fewer medicines. ask your doctor about dovato. craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office. you could stay undetectable with fewer medicines. 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the corporate tax cuts are going to be on the table in 2025. if you end up supporting trump you are most likely to keep those corporate tax cuts and lower tax brackets, because, by the way, i don t think trump is going to address the deficit at all, either. the record shows that perhaps some of the fiscal spending had a part in the inflation, but it was more about supply shocks, the inability to get stuff into the country, the reduction in the ability to spend on services, so all this money to buy patio furniture and stuff like that, all of the sudden that shot up and all of a sudden we had problems with some food distribution. and that has come off in a very big way. there has been extraordinary progress on the inflation rate but has not brought down the inflation level. and don t overstated, biden has plenty of very, very wealthy supporters. but you are right to point out how extraordinary it is that some of these folks, especially in tech land, are the ones who are out there saying i am going to vote for trump or support trump. and to read, for example, david sachs tweet today on the economy is just to be amazed that a guy with that much money . here s the thing. i get that inflation is difficult. these people who are now supporting donald trump have had extraordinary, extraordinary last few years. bill ackman this week, what is it announced? he is worth $8 million. think of everything president biden has done for electric vehicles. a huge win for elon musk. yet they are railing against this disastrous economy, when it has been a perfect one for them. i think, first off, taxes, let s start with that. and then get to realizing that for these guys, in silicon valley especially, shame feels like a market inefficiency. wait, hold on, if i don t have to care about the judgments of people who are paying attention to the news, maybe i can do the thing that donald trump offers uniquely, in my memory, of american presidents. which is the ability to dictate actual policy. the ability to get favors. i feel like this is the other part of the trump administration that goes underrated because we are talking about the bed of nails that is every single scandal. he is for sale. look at the adelson family. go down the risk of donors and what you get. if you are tech billionaire, ceo, philosopher, king. that is what these guys want to be. they know better. they may think trump is an idiot, and i think they do, but they also think they can puppeteer hemenway s, and they can help run the country. and that is something that joe biden does not offer them. the white house is for sale. and in some way, is this like re-creating putin s oligarchs, but here? you know, i have been listening to you, and i can t believe we are here, again. and a real chance that he might win. and something i ve read the criminologist talk about, the reason why jail does not work as a deterrent. because a lot of people do a stint in prison and they come out and they go oh, i can do that. now i m going to go back to the street, because that wasn t that bad. and for a lot of people they are like we survived trump. it wasn t that bad. covid does not count on his record, for some reason. and they are like we could do this again. and it doesn t make any sense. and i get a footnote to the oligarch story? a lot of those guys ended up exiled and dead. i don t know that all the people who are supporting trump understand the final end result of kleptocracy. okay, because you are asking for people to have something beyond short-term. it works for a little bit. but, see, we are talking about hugely successful masters of the universe who believe well, that will never happen to me. you know that is the way they all think. i think that is right. they re not thinking it through. i think they are also missing, getting back to the first conversation we had, the essential connection between democracy and free markets. what makes free markets work is the rule of law, and if the rule of law is something that is on the whim of the president you have a real problem with your free markets. lizz, let s talk about sort of these loud, influential voices were suddenly backing former president trump. why they would be doing it. i understand, inflation is a really difficult. you want to buy a house, rent an apartment, get any insurance, things are really difficult. but suddenly this group of people backing the former president, it does not really make sense from a policy perspective. why do you think it is happening? well, when you look at how many of them are feel adjacent, this is not my will house. but i d do see and have met and have been hit on by very, very, very rich and powerful men. and all those zeroes don t add inches, and somehow i think they do. and if that stays in the show i am proud of you. i promise you it will. because honestly, i don t have an answer. we are on life. is a family show until now. but honestly, what is the thing you are missing? what is the emotional thing you are missing? you are talking about the intellect of these individuals, and so much of it is about the performance of this analogy that trump offers, the ego. and if you have a massive ego, one of these masters of the universe, wall street, silicon valley, i completely understand why you rock with trump. because that ego seems to be like that is my guy, that s the guy want to be with. i am also just not convinced that they actually like him. that s correct, they don t. they think he is a puppet. i think that they are unbothered by the performance that trump does, which is a key, visceral distinction that i have with these people. but also, i think, what they want is power. trump offers them power. these guys right now believe they can purchase a bat phone into the oval office if donald trump wins. and it was funny, somebody on tv said to me the other day, yeah, but what if donald trump turns on them? what if he doesn t deliver than that? he might, though. and joe biden definitively will not. so they will roll the dice. i think we make a mistake in this country, that because you made a lot of money here you must be smart about things over here. we do it all the time on cnbc, and it is something that i disagree with. but like we will have a billionaire and asked him what he thinks about healthcare. and unless he made his billions in healthcare i am not really sure i care. it s a great point. it s interesting, but it is not essential. it is interesting as we talk , that the pronoun hymn has been used to bunch. because we ve been talking a bunch about men. and even when you said because they make money here they don t do it over there, when you think of somebody who is a billionaire, like the woman who invented spanks. sarah blakely. people are not going to sarah blakely, what do you think about what is going on over there? i don t anybody is asking these guys. these guys have realized they can become business celebrities. do you think somebody a year and half ago said what does bill ackman think about anything other than investing? no one asked him. but now he is posting tweets. it became a twitter personality. so the adrenaline addiction is real. they are all addicted to dealmaking, and now they have become business celebrities. this is a part of capitalism. the people who succeeded the most and capitalism must be the most intelligent people in the country. trump succeeded in capitalism. soon enough, he did not. he did! he took a big chunk of money from his dad. lost a bigger chunk. right, we think of him, he is so dumb. he is proof that you can be wealthy and done at the same time. is also not a successful business person. everyone is staying right here. when we return, fans love her. but caitlin clark is getting a mixed reception from the players in her first year of going pro. why one foul has people talking when the 11th hour in the nightcap continues. introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. - so this is pickleball? 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(vo) new and existing customers get iphone 15 on us when they trade in any iphone. verizon it s time to get away and cash in at cache creek casino resort. to rock and to roll. to go all out or go all in with four stars and rising stars. northern california s premier casino resort is the perfect place to do as much. or as little as you want. make your getaway now and cache in at cache creek casino resort. basketball star caitlin clark continues to crowd the spotlight as her wnba career kicks off. but it is a foul against her from nearly a week ago that is still in the headlines. pablo, she got body checked by another player. so why are people still talking about it? walk us through what happened in the line of all these new threads. on some level it is a simple story. it was a hard foul, should have been called a flagrant. wasn t, had to be assessed as such retroactively. but the reason it has continued is because it fits into this larger story, which is less and less about caitlin clark, and is a through line for today s show, perhaps, and more and more about us, the voters, so to speak. because it is a perfect culture war story. uninformed voters versus informed voters. and it is about vibes. so i want to address the feelings, because these are sincerely held. it is more than just the great white hope. it is more than just a minority group in this sport actually being a majority outside of it. wnba famously is 60% black women. so you have this star who is bringing attention, record ratings, real business for the first time in the history of the sport. and simultaneous to that you have a lot of people who pre- existed in this sport, who built this sport, who are saying we have not felt the advantages of being the majority group in a business that now everybody cares about. and so, a lot of people have a point, is my point here. caitlin clark is a great player. she deserves the conversation and the height and the attention and the money. and at the same time, those are advantages that are not granted to others because there is a novelty, as well as the substance to it. it is an endless culture war story which everyone can get mad at everyone for a very long time. i think i feel also the resentment of the women who are already there, who are like oh, you think this college kid is going to come in and dominate us? and at the time it seemed you guys are being rude and resentful. and no, actually, it is very hard to move from college to the pros in any sport, even if you are, maybe, one of the best, the best college players ever. we are going to do this entirely differently. we are stronger, faster, more experienced. it is going to be hard for you. so slow down, don t think you re going to walk in and take over. i have nothing to say. remember how i said that i didn t think rich people should be talking about healthcare? i am pretty sure the economics reporter should not be talking about sports. but how is there so much confusion here? suddenly the wnba has all these new fans, and they are watching a game. a game, a rough game that is played year after year. but suddenly the first game they have ever seen, the player who they love, they are seeing get pushed around and they are going, i mean, there was a republican lawmaker who was complaining about this. where you are going this is just how the game is played. yeah, would they feel that way if it was angel reese who got knocked to the ground like that? no. she did get knocked to the ground like that, and nobody cared. this is the other part of the story. sports are supposed to be fueled by hatred. by bad blood. by feuding. this is stuff that is great. part of the reason why i want to buy stock, business metaphor, buy stock in the nba is because people are actually invested in it emotionally, and that comes from having bad blood. the thing that is dystopian, lizz, which movie you can appreciate on this level, too. i love dystopian. yes, we are talking not so much about the story, and more about how everybody hates everybody else because they see themselves in it. and for me it becomes a culture war story, and when i say it is an endless forever war of a culture war story i mean it is because, in sports, we are still arguing about whether lebron james or michael jordan is better. we have been doing that for decades upon decades. some precincts have been reporting that it is jordan. but the point is this is not a thing that can be solved this positively by play. it is going to be, again, about how you feel. and being a minority group in a majority female, black sport that outside of that sport affords you advantages that track with the money and the attention and the privilege, it is like it is fair to object to all of this and it is fair to also say you are making too much of it, because isn t she just a basketball player? and this i will also say. i think it is also fair to say that caitlin clark knows the game that caitlin clark is in. caitlin clark is not saying anything. it is like taylor swift, when the whole taylor swift beyonce feud was happening, they were both like there ain t no feud. this happens in this sport. i just feel like caitlin clark is not screaming. there is a whole lot of pundits speaking, there is a whole lot of things. and what you said is real. the pundit point is important. because race is always a part of sports, we don t always talk about it, but it is always there. and not just what happens on the floor, but also because the vast majority of people who cover sports are white, and male , and generally they are covering, especially in basketball, covering a lot of black people. so, in this situation you see the white girl who is supposed to be the new star, who is changing everything, and she gets thrown to the ground by somebody. the white pundits especially are like oh my god, how could you do that to her? but it is not just about race. it is a lot about the fact that these sports analysts are men. as i have seen black sports analysts this week go on and on, shocked by this saying these girls out there are being mean girls to each other. in the same sports analysts watch football year after year, they watch rookies get the crap kicked out of them going that is on the game is played. but when it comes to women doing it they are like look at these mean girls up in here. and that is bull nonsense. and i agree with you. overwhelmingly it is not that the rest of the wnba is jealous and deceiving like this is a high school cafeteria over caitlin clark. but there are a couple of people who feel that way. if you were to tell me watch this clip of angel reese celebrating caitlin clark falling to the ground i can t convince you objectively that she is not taking some enjoyment. now, does that rise to the level of jealousy and mean girl stuff? i am not going to categorize it as such. but i believe in that he and bad blood can coexist. it is just a we over characterize it as this is a sport where this should not happen, all sports are fueled by this. this is my observation. i want to know if this is true. is less contact countenanced in the wnba than the nba? is even more physical. we have to take a commercial. it s more physical? yes. does ladies know how to get it done. what i want to know is all this talk about the wnba, is it helping the game? we don t know yet. everybody is staying put. when we come back are nightcap returns with our mvps of the week. you do not want to miss it when the nightcap continues. e night kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. welcome to the wayborhood. and long live you. with wayfair, finding your style is fun. 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i wanted to go in a different direction. corey harris, who became viral out of driving to his resume hearing about driving with a suspended license. hold on, walk us through. because people are not going to know this name but everyone saw this video. he drove to his resume hearing with the judge on his suspended license hearing. and everybody is like oh my god, what an idiot. and surely he made some bad decisions. and it came out that he has actually never had a driver s license. but the end result of all of this is that he ended up in jail for a nonviolent offense. he was not even intending to hurt anyone, and it is easy to look at an individual and say you should have behaved differently. more important to look at the systems and the institutions and say you should behave differently. why are we using jail as a corrective for something like this? a nonviolent offense like this? we are over incarcerating nonviolent offenders way too much in this country. and this is a prime example of somebody who should not be in jail. there are many, many other ways to make the situation work. cindy eldon is the clerk for esmeralda county in nevada. and she is undergoing a withering criticism at a recall petition. she is a republican from supporter, and there are people in that county the believe that there was problems with the election because trump only one of the county of about 700 people by 82%. and this wonderful story in the new york times about this clerk who is being criticized by her neighbors and all the people she has known for life is a reminder that democracy is not a mountain. it is not a building. it exists because of local officials, and the reason why the 2020 election was not overturned is because of these actions by these local officials . these people, i think, democrats, republicans, non- partisans all our heroes that make democracy still exist in this country, and don t take it for granted. and i am on a bipartisan crusade of my own. good luck with that. red panda is somebody that you may know if you have seen a basketball game. she happens to be the greatest halftime performer of all time. red panda is the older chinese woman and immigrant to this country who gets on a unicycle, elevated many feet in the air, balances holes on her foot, and kicks them off to her head repeatedly. and the crusade i launch after watching her perform in game one of the nba finals yesterday is simply this. at the basketball hall of fame has never inducted a halftime performer. it should be red panda, and i want to address america, the world, on my various social media platforms i have a change.org petition. this is a real thing. all of you guys at this table need to sign it. i am begging you. we need to demonstrate that this person, read anda, is a part of history and should be remembered to me as such. right on. we are ready to sign it. my mvp, the families from the sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. if you remember, talkshow host alex jones spread lie after lie of what happened in that elementary school in connecticut. the families of those children, those five and six-year-old children who were killed sued this man for defamation and they won nearly $1.5 billion in damages. but all sorts of cynics out there, me included, thought they are never going to see the money. a guy like this is going to move his assets, put them under family members names or friends, it will never happen. on thursday, yesterday, alex jones filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy, basically liquidating all of his assets. why? 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trace: so a young person steals, gets caught, gets angry and argues she has the right to steal a certain amount and it s illegal to stop her from stealing a certain amount which leads us to the front door of the fox news @ night commonsense department. los angeles interim police chief who is using the same logic basically as our young female thief. the chief says violent crime in la is holding steady but property crimes are down. when the chief says violent crime is steady, he means still at record levels. when he says property crime is down, he means still at record levels but not rising quite as fast. so the chief appears to have adopted joe biden s inflation explanation. the chief also said public perception of rising crime is driven by the media. the funny thing is, he said that just hours before giving the media new stats showing that crime is actually rising. so if commonsense has this right, the media reports that crime is up, the public believes