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chance that the ideas raised in that oval office discussion would rise to the level of a crime, and if so, what would they be? >> hey, abby, good to be with you. well, it's interesting. there were a mix of lawyers and nonlawyers at that meeting. and so right off the bat you have a problem with privilege, keeping it confidential. you can have strategy sessions with lawyers. you can spitball ideas. you can talk about the past and developing a defense. what you can't do is potentially talk about future crimes, right? it cannot be a strategy session for doing wrong in the future. and having lawyers there does not protect it and make it privileged. so what it sounds like is, the special counsel is digging into whether there were potential crimes effectively being plotted at that meeting. and whether you call it seditious conspiracy or something similar, it's

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it was so wrong that his license to practice law going forward should be revoked. >> and not just wrong, but perhaps he knew at the time, because he was told by people around him, that it was wrong as well. thank you so much for all of that. >> thanks, abby. tonight on the campaign trail, the war of words escalates between donald trump and his closest 2024 rival. the former president bragging about his strong poll numbers even in the wake of one federal indictment and possibly one more coming. >> that's why my polls go up. i'm the only person ever got indicted who became more popular. never forget our enemies want to stop us because we are the only ones that can stop them. we can stop them. they want to take away my freedom because i will never let them take away your freedom. >> i think if you look at the people like the corporate media, who are they going after? who do they not want to be the

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later, and he denied those opportunities. he said, "no, i could never live without my children." so everybody is very heartbroken. extended family and everybody is really, really devastated. >> he was also still supporting his family back in afghanistan. when you speak to his family, give them our best. i know you set up a gofundme to help his family. we are showing it right now. we'll share it online. "support family of murdered afghan interpreter." it goes to them. thank you for doing that and thank you for joining us on this difficult subject. >> thank you for having me. >> "cnn tonight with abby phillip" starts right now. >> thank you, kaitlin. that is a horrible story. i hope people will support that gofundme account for his family. thanks, and good evening to everyone tonight. is donald trump getting closer to another indictment? the former president has already been indicted twice now for two

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