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legitimacy of your political opponent, but also equivocating in saying, well, we don't know. we are asking questions. what do you make of those remarks? >> it is utterly dishonest. desantis knows very well that elections in the united states are free and fair, in his state and elsewhere. he is being dishonest. as daniel mentioned, the cardinal rule of democracy is that politicians have to be willing to unambiguously accept election results, win or lose. when politicians stop doing that, democracy invariably gets into trouble. what this suggests, what this clip by desantis makes clear, we argue this in our book the tyranny of the minority, it is not just trump. the problem, unfortunately, is no longer just trump. this turning away from democracy, this willingness to condone violence, to accept violence, and to not accept the
equivocate. it is really important to the point about equivocation. they sort of talked out of both sides of their mouth. they will condemn it but they will say, maybe it was an inside job. they leave some room from down. they have to be unambiguous. this is what politicians committed to democracy do. they are unambiguous, they are explicit. if we look to the history of democracy in the 19 twenties in the 1930s, when mainstream politicians behave this way, democracy gets into trouble. it is really critical for voters to hold these kind of politicians to account. or else, our own democracy will be in trouble, as well. >> daniel, the way you have president biden situated in this moment, he is saying it is an existential moment for democracy. how do you see this moment? how do you see this election? >> i agree, i agree. it is very hard to sustain. the historical record is very clear. throughout the 20th century in latin america and europe, if you do not have to political parties, at least two political parties committed to democracy, if you only have one political party, really loyal to
just a little bit of evidence. brazil suffered a similar uprising on january 8th 2023. jair bolsonaro, the president who tried to overturn elections there, who was a trump ally, his supporters also, basically, copied the u.s. and stormed the president of house and the congress. in brazil, right-wing politicians, almost to a person, denounced that. supported an investigation into the uprising. made it absolutely clear that they had no sympathies at all with the uprising. you know how many brazilians think that this was an inside job? or something to be sympathetic with? 10%. 11% of brazilian sympathize with the uprising. vast majority of them reject it. what leaders say matters. >> daniel, i'm curious to get your perspective on this. soon after the events of january six that we saw certain lawmakers, essentially
in biden's speech later on today. george washington high school, served two terms and then walked away from the presidency, compared to his likely opponent going into 2024, donald trump, who did everything he could to stay in power, even after losing an election. steven, i'm curious to get your thoughts on the 2024 field. just yesterday there was an interview with ron desantis when he was asked about the legitimacy of the 2024 election. we have a soundbite here. this is nbc news. let's listen. >> would you accept a biden victory? >> i will have to see what happened. you know? if it was a trans victory, obviously, you accept the results. i don't know what democrats have up their sleeves. what you are saying, if there was fraud, i'm just about to turn a brined i. now, i'm not gonna do that. >> stephen, that cuts to what daniel was saying. regarding not only having tolerance to accept the
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aware and stay safe. flooded roads are causing problems and making it harder for people to evacuate. in places, it's got difficult to tell what's the river, what's the canal and what's supposed to be dry land. the yellow warning for heavy rain covers most of the south—west, the south—east and parts of the midlands. in wiltshire, rivers are on the rise again. the sandbags are still out because these properties are at such a risk. you can see the flood defences are in place because they are vulnerable here right next to the river avon. and yesterday, this area was entirely flooded. so the level has dropped, but with more rain expected into the early hours of tomorrow morning, the threat is it could all get worse again. the river level was up probably to the second step. the basement of daniel's shop was already soaked yesterday. and this has happened before? yeah. i mean, last year i was advised
the river level was up probably to the second step. the basement of daniel's shop was already soaked yesterday. and this has happened before? yeah. i mean, last year i was advised that there wouldn't be much flooding here at all. and another two or three centimetres of rain is expected tonight. the flood warning here is one of more than 200 across england. i'm just worried about| the river rising, really. i live slightly up the hill. if i lived further down the hill, i'd be slightly concerned. if not very concerned. what was once—in—a—ioo—year event is once—in—a—year or something... do you think we should be doing more to adapt to that? to be totally honest, i don't know what is being done. it's difficult to get around, even for those who know the land best. this is gloucestershire, and these cows and horses won't be roaming far on their new island in the midlands. the rain's disrupting rail services and all sorts ofjourneys,