thing. the individual mandate would be a great tax cut for the middle class, for small businesses and people who have been really hurt lately have been millennials. they re young adults, overpaying for health care and on the hook for pensions and the u.s. debt and state municipal debt. let s give them a break. david: and bruce, according to cbo it s going to be good for the debt itself. they say dumping the mandate will save the country $338 billion over ten years. that s a lot of money. well, i have no doubt that the idea is to get fewer people covered so they can free up money to give tax cuts for the rich, but i think no, no, no, hold on, hold on. in careness to the cbo. let me explain how they got the number. the fact is if people are not forced to buy obamacare, fewer people are going to be signing up for subsidies and medicaid. that s how the cbo came to that number. go ahead. okay. so, i would say, you have to have some way, whether it s a penalty or in the failed republican repeal and replace effort, there were ways to expand the pool and require some personal responsibility for people to have insurance. i m an advocate for everybody to have insurance. if there are fewer people insured, we re all going to pay because these people are going to wait, whether they re young, old, whoever, they re going to wait until they get sick and don t have the money to pay and won t pay and our costs will go up, that s the way it works. david: the fact is, our costs have been going up. you look at cost of deductibles going up about 36%, and then you look at the cost of premiums, going up 41%. this is with obamacare. costs have been going up because of it. it s always going to be expensive when government tries to create a right to a market good. what s interesting about this, the democrats have never been able to explain why if obamacare is so great that they needed to pass a law to force people to participate in it. amazon doesn t need a law to bring people to its website. david: right. and coke doesn t have a law to force people to buy coca-cola. and of course, a mandate, is coercive and utterly unnecessary. david: and the question about health themselves. a lot of people are paying so much deductibles. the bronze plan for obamacare, 12,000 deductible. a lot of people are skipping checkups, skipping procedures because they can t afford them. well, not having insurance is not going make those more affordable. i think we ought to keep the mandate for the reason that bruce alluded to. if you don t have insurance, then people who are uninsured go into the hospital and run up big costs and the rest of us get stuck with the bills, that s not fair to the rest of us. david: e-mack, there are a lot of people getting stuck for a bill for nothing. 6 1/2 million americans have decided that they d rather pay a fine than deal with obamacare, and a lot of those, 90% of those make under $75,000. 30% make under 20. this is a tax on the middle class and the poor. i always wondered if obamacare was so great, why were nearly 7 million people choosing to pay the penalty instead the majority under 50-k. president obama did not like the mandate tax either. he campaigned on that saying he was opposed to that in 2007-2008. i like how chuck schumer and democrats are arguing, republican are kicking people out of obamacare getting rid of the mandate. this is voluntary. they voluntarily chose to pay the penalty instead, many lower and middle class. david: you say that republicans are against the middle class. it s obamacare itself forcing americans to pay a fine because they don t want insurance. this is a middle class tax cut, what the republicans are trying to get. well, i guess, one of the wild cards will indeed be if they re successful in this and i don t think they will be. let s just say they are. enrollment for obamacare in the third this is what the fourth year now is surging despite the fact that the president has tried to kill it and whatever. so it will be interesting to see if they do get rid of it, who signs up because we you say the young people haven t been paying anyway so we can t feel sorry for the millennials. david: rich. after a lifetime of smoking fooch too much, drinking too much, people are going to need this and why the families should be rooted in this. david: the people who have bad health habits end up in the hospital and we pay for it and that s why the money has to be distributed to all of us, what do you think? we are going to have to pay either way. what the democrats can t explain is that if the program is so great. why do you have to force people to do it, why do you need a law? you talk about costs, the first computer cost over $1 million dollars, first cell phone, 4,000. market competition brought down the price of each. why is health care so unique. the left hasn t been able to explain it, neither has the right. to john s point, why should we be forced to buy a product that we don t want, and if it s great cbo projections are off 60% who was going to enroll. david: bill, what do you think? i know you side with bruce on this, at the same time, when you force poor people and middle class to pay for something that they don t use, that s an injustice, is it not? well, i m going to address the fraudulent claim by the republicans in congress that having people go uninsured is going to create 300 billion dollars of wealth. you don t create wealth by having people going to the hospital uninsured. the hospital bills have to be paid somehow. . david: here is the point of that number, as i said before to bruce, we are spending a lot of money since obamacare was implemented subsidizing people who can t afford insurance. subsidizing people who get into medicaid. if you re not forced to buy insurance, those subsidies would not be necessary and the cbo and they re pretty down the line, they ve ticked off a lot of conservatives in the past, they re the ones who came up with this number. well, i m going to make a point that john tamny has educated us on and that is the thing that s not seen. the capital does not go into free market development and innovation and health care sector. if you have if you had a freeing up as a health care sector and you could liberate all of this innovation and you had the extra money to go into the space, magical things would happen and prices would drop, health care quality would go up. david: so, john, this might not only benefit the country in terms of lower debt costs, but it might also benefit the health industry itself? of course, it would. the wealth creation isn t going to be created by government per bill. the way it s going to be created is that you free up the innovators, silicon valley is rich precisely because of what rich describes. it s a chief revolution. constant competition that brings down the price of everything. and imagine if you unleashed entrepreneurs on health care as opposed to allowing republicans and democrats to try to legislate access to market good. it would be amazing. david: if you have to compare entrepreneurs to politicians, i think we know who would be eif isht efficient in that. did hillary clinton call special counsels abuse of power? not the ones that trump s team, but the ones who look into her team. it s time for the sleep number semi-annual sale on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort your sleep number setting. and snoring? does your bed do that? it s the final days of our semi-annual sale, where our c4 mattress with adjustable comfort on both sides is now only $1499. save $300. ends sunday. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you. it s ok that everyone ignores it s fine. drive. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i m accident free. and i don t share it with mom! right, mom? 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yeah, but even so, i m kind of against having an investigation. look, hillary clinton lost. she s never coming back. that s quite a lot of punishment ap i think it would be a bad precedent for u.s. presidents to start prosecuting the losers in elections. you know, that s what they do in third world dictatorships. david: i can understand, but bill, at the same time, we as a country believe or at least the politicians do, it s important to find out what russia did to try to influence the election. it s clear, one thing they did was working with the dnc s fusion gps group, they put together this trump dossier, got a lot of russians involved with that and they were trying to dump on donald trump, on the campaign of donald trump. that was part of what russia did. well, for one thing, the uranium one pay to play scandal, scandalous as it might have been is ancient history and i think we have to give the clintons a pass on that one. but you re right that the putin fusion, fbi, dnc conspiracy is more recent, if it happened and there might be a grain of truth to it. i m kind of curious, what happened. david: john, you talk about third world dictatorships. third world dictatorships use agencies of the government like the fbi, for example, to try to get political opponents. that s kind of scary stuff, isn t it? well, it is, but i find all of this so embarrassing. the freest, richest, greatest nation on earth would elevate the ledge darely incompetent russians and presume that they, that they influenced a presidential campaign. that they were pulling the strings and changing the outcome of what happened in 2016. why do we demain ourselves like this? president trump should pardon all the republicans, and pardon hillary clinton and move on from this embarrassing episode. david: but, bruce, when you listen to jim jordan asking a question of the attorney general saying did the fbi actually pay for the at least part of the trump dossier. it s a good question. we don t know the answer, but wouldn t you like to know? well, i think that well, a couple of days later, jordan sounded kind of like a partisan hack in his statement. i would say a couple of days later, the co-founder of fusion gps said they didn t pay sources. and by the way. david: fusion gps in the past has done some they re smear merchants, essentially. they tried to smear a dead russian killed in prison behalf of some people, very pro trump excuse me, very pro putin. so, the fact that they said something doesn t necessarily make it true. okay, let s put it this way. we don t know where mueller is going to go with this investigation. we don t know that he s not going to look into all of this. we know that the senate intelligence committee is looking at the dossier, they ll look at sourcing. you know, you look back at the ken starr investigation of clinton, that started with the land deal and ended up that, you know, we found out that bill clinton was cheating on his wife and got impeached for it. i don t know why the dems get a pass. hillary clinton was big on getting rid of the electoral college when she lost. also underneath the clinton foundation sits a turnstile, a cash machine, sits a secretary of state making decisions. i think we have to get at that, too. david: rich, you know, the history of the clintons, whether they were in arkansas or on their way to the white house with bill clinton or trying to get to the white house with hillary, there s a huge amount of money involved. they get it from all different sources. aren t you a little bit interested in a congressional inquiry into whether any of that money was misused in the campaign, particularly if they were working with the russians? i m interested in finding out the truth and i think that s a great job for journalists and media organizations to try to get at. do i want government to spend time and money pursuing this? i don t think so. i think the main thing, we ve got to get back to the sustained rate of 3% gdp growth, we ve got two quarters in a row encouraging and let s put a reasoningful tax reform under that and have a go and make sure, you know, that we are are safe abroad. that s the main show. everything else is a side show. david: money and safety, i can get behind money and safety, but i do want to know what happened with the russians and dnc. cashin in gang getting ready to roll at the bottom of the hour. melissa, what do you have? david, good to see you. so, is the mainstream media seeking to downplay president trump s asia trip. he s touting 300 billion bucks in new trade deals and jobs. and the press is barely touching it. we re all over it. in the middle of the anthem mess, nfl commish is looking to score big with a $50 million contract, is he worth it? that s, melissa, my wonderful co-anchor. up first, what does a shooting at los angeles international airport 15 years ago have to do with a truck attack, a deadly one in new york city just a few weeks ago. the answer coming next. how much money do you think you ll need in retirement? then we found out how many years that money would last them. how long do you think we ll keep oooooohhh! you stopped! you re gonna leave me back here at year 9? how did this happen? it turned out, a lot of people fell short, of even the average length of retirement. we have to think about not when we expect to live to, but when we could live to. let s plan for income that lasts all our years in retirement. prudential. bring your challenges. 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yes, this is such fisher price immigration policy. it makes no sense to use a lottery. we don t use a lottery to hire people. we don t use a lottery in the college admission level to take people in. rich is right, we should have a merit-based system. david: john, what do you think? why would we allow the federal government to control who comes in in terms of human capital. we would recoil if the government presumed to say how many computers and what kind, how many cars and what kind, yet the most important source of economic growth as possible, human beings, we allow these people who comes in and out of this, get the federal government out of it. david: but, bill, it s a gift fob a u.s. citizen, to be allowed to live and work here and hopefully for them to become a citizen. the president keeps talking about this merit-based system as opposed to the diversity system, kind of an open lottery. wouldn t it be better to get people who have certain skills that we know would help our economy? you bet, david. we should have a merit system. a point scale with points awarded for being willing to work really, really hard or having advanced degrees and under my points system, people from mexico and china would get high scores. and rich, we know that this merit-based system works in other countries, we ve seen it in australia and elsewhere. yeah, and canada. by the way, donald trump, before he was president, debated steve bannon on this issue on bannon s radio show and trump made the strong persuasive case for me t merit-based immigration and trump needs to go back, he won that debate. david: john, you re a nay sayer. you haven t convinced me the federal government wouldn t know what we should import and export. why would we let it plan the most import, human capital, let the markets do it. david: wonderful representative from libertarians here. and a pick they say you ll be thankful for this thanksgiving. are you on medicare? do you have the coverage you need? open enrollment ends december 7th. don t put it off til later. now s the time to get on a path that could be right for you. with unitedhealthcare medicare solutions. call today to learn about the kinds of coverage we offer, including aarp medicarecomplete plans insured through unitedhealthcare. these medicare advantage plans can combine parts a and b, your hospital and doctor coverage. with part d prescription drug coverage, and extra benefits. all in one complete plan. for a low monthly premium, or in some areas no plan premium at all. unitedhealthcare doesn t stop there. you ll have $0 co-pays for preventive services. like an annual physical and most immunizations. you can also get routine vision and hearing coverage. and a fitness membership. for prescriptions, you ll pay the plan s lowest price, whether it s your co-pay or the pharmacy price. or pay as low as zero dollars for a 90-day supply of your tier 1 and tier 2 drugs, delivered right to your door. in fact, our medicare advantage plan members. saved an average of over $5,000 last year. so call or go online today to enroll, and enjoy these benefits and more, like renew by unitedhealthcare, our health and wellness experience, where you can earn rewards for making healthy choices. your healthcare needs are unique. that s why, with 40 years of medicare experience, we ll be there for you we can even help schedule your appointments. open enrollment ends december 7th. if you re medicare eligible, call now and talk to unitedhealthcare about our plans, like aarp medicarecomplete. let s get you on the right path. call unitedhealthcare or go online to enroll. sfx: mnemonic what a wild week and we re back with the picks to be thankful for this thanksgiving season. e-mack, you love index funds. a cheap one, vanguard value index fund. it has a lot of blue chip names on the cheap. david: bill. my market forecast for a 3% return and i think the bland fund. david: and you like this. tesla is eating up lithium and this company likes it. david: do you like mines? my fund is up double digits. and no, they said china is going to eat its lunch with its own production. david: thanks for watching. have a wonderful thanksgiving. heap is here, the number one business block continues with melissa francis and cashin in. melissa: back from asia and president trump says america is back in business. japanese manufacturers, toyota and mazda, announced that they will be opening a new plant in the united states that will create 4,000 jobs. in china, we also announced 250 billion dollars worth in trade, investment deals that will create jobs in the united states. the united states, and vietnam recently announced $12 billion in commercial agreements, which will include $10 billion in u.s. content. melissa: huge deals, but you wouldn t know it from the mainstream media. why isn t it making a
not right. that was sergeant morita talking about the sentencing of bowe bergdahl sentenced to dishonorable discharge and the president called it a complete disgrace to our military and country. and retired four-star general jack keane, i don t know if you ve heard the entire interview with sergeant morita, he lost some fin fingers and it impedes him and he s furious with the decision. i listened to the interview and his comments were compelling to be frank about it. and this is very painful for all of us. colonel jeffrey nance, the military judge in this case, i mean, he clearly, in my judgment, made just a terrible error here. and the ren is simply this, our audience will understand. there s a reason why our government permits the united states military to have its own justice system, it is completely separate from a civilian system. therefore, any crime, even one similar to what a civilian would commit is that person is processed inside the united states military justice system, where a jury, defense, prosecution and et cetera and obviously, judges. but the reason for it, the absolute crucial reason is because we have to have unit effectiveness. if you walk off your job, you re not going to be hauled into court for committing a crime in a civilian community, you re likely going to lose your job, i imagine, with no justification for it. but if you walk off your job in the military in a combat zone, that s desertion, and that strikes at the heart of military effectiveness. unit cohesion, and therefore, we consider that one of the most serious grievances that a soldier can ever, ever commit because if we tolerate that, that breaks down the very fabric of the united states military itself. and i m absolutely astounded that this judge made the decision he made. yes, the enemy did punish sergeant bergdahl, that is true, and that is also because of his own reckless behavior that he got captured. but the united states military must punish bergdahl for that assault on the whole essence of what a military is. unit cohesion and unit effectiveness. he attacked that very essence of it and the fact that the judge, who is a colonel in the united states army, failed to stand up for that code that we consider to be inviolate, astounds me. david: by the way, the colonel s name is jeffrey nance. i m wondering what do you think was going on? you can t get inside somebody else s head, but he did mention president trump s comments about bergdahl, suggesting there might be mitigating evidence involving those comments. did that play a role in his sentencing, such as it was? that could only play a role if it affected nance in the term that it was undue command influence, but nance had already said even before he was adjudicating the actual sentence that he was unpersuaded by any comments about sergeant bergdahl. he would confine his judgment to what takes place in his courtroom and certainly, you know, there were two soldiers that came into that courtroom that were severely wounded and one wife of a soldier who testified on his behalf who s completely paralyzed, who is unable to speak and evidently, none of that was persuasive. david: it s hard to believe that wasn t persuasive when you listen to one of those who can talk about it. we have he got to move on, very, very pertinent comments. thank you for being with us. appreciate it. now to the guy who shot usama bin laden, former navy seal rob o neill. you have a personal connection to the bergdahl case? i do, my team was there when he deserted. we knew before he had the first cup of coffee over breakfast that he had walked off. and we had to change everything. and the general mentioned unit effectiveness. ours was to take high value individuals going from afghanistan into pakistan before the sun came up. we would hit them and save lives by killing improvised explosive device makers and that changed when he walked off and changed everything, and a close friend of mine was shot in the femoral artery on a rescue mission that shouldn t been happening and we not only did he endanger and actually lead to one of your unit s personnel getting injured, but he distracted you from killing the bad guys. and we don t know the intangibles, how many of the guys that we would have killed and captured got away and killed airmen or the war stopped for a month. six soldiers were killed between august and september of that time frame and the army was quick to dismiss it by saying, well, we don t know if this was necessarily because of what bergdahl did, they might not have been on the recovery effort, but they might have been, but killing doing stuff they normally wouldn t have done because we had to bring in the perimeter to get this guy back. david: unfair question probably, but what would you have sentenced him. bare minimum, 17 years and d dishonorable discharged. he got a dishonorable discharge, he s saying that candidate trump influenced and that the wife didn t influence, but he should have gotten a minimum of 17 years. david: we arranged you earlier this week to talk about the bin laden documents, a treasure trove of information. any surprises in what you see? what we re seeing right now, is the most transparent administration in the history of administrations, wasn t trance parent. 571 documents that turned into 470,000 documents and simply the they made it political is what i m trying to say. david: politicalization. trying to say that al-qaeda was dismantled and isis was jv. they didn t want to talk about the relationship between eiranians and al-qaeda and bin laden called him the bloodline. david: what did you think when president obama, he never said it specifically, but his people said he killed bin laden. i ve always given president obama and administration there for giving us the green light to go. he made the call, but as far as going up the stairs with one guy in front of me knowing we re dealing with suicide bombers, i didn t see hillary clinton or president obama, i sue brave people that threw open the doors and the seal team there, and i didn t see enough people getting credit and some took too much credit. david: how did the killing change the war on terror. the way it changed it, it proved to our enemies, no matter where you are we are going to find you and we do have the capabilities to come and get you. we ve proven before and we will again. they re touting up the son of bin laden hopefully the new leader of al-qaeda. they know where he is and we know men and women will get him. david: you know this and our viewers, we incorrectly labeled isl islamabad as being in it s in pakistan. david: and some navy seals, there used to be a code that you wouldn t talk to anything that happened to you in a seal mission. do you feel at all that you ve violated that code? no, because i think i read about that code in about 100 navy seal books that i read before i joined the navy. i m not too concerned about that, the men, the seals with whom i served that i know don t have a problem with it. if anybody was on the mission with me and has an issue, i ll take that with less of a grain of salt. i m at the point, i made a decision for a number of reason, the survivors, people that had family members that died in the towers, and you know, i wrote a book that was, by the way approved by the pentagon. first one with admissions in it, approved by everybody involved. and operator is a good story about you can do anything in this country as long you and there s a he request how much trust there is or lack of trust, i should say, on what some people call the deep state. and whether or not people have to come out now and say what really went on when the folks who were in charge of that information maybe keeping some of that information back. that s a really good point and i think it s important to get have america get some of the real stories of the people there. i interviewed, had my first chance to host a show yesterday. david: did a great job. i appreciate that. i interviewed shaun parnell and wrote outlaw platoon , the men and women in the valleys who are fighting and no one hears about. the worst attacks since 9/11 in new york, from uzbekistan, and it s important for men and women to know, because we re not out there being imperialistic, we re defending the families and people who can t afford to mow their own lawns and they re fighting for the country. i m sure when washington crossed the delaware to fight the hessians that we should i can t tell you how proud i am to have you here. i m going home and work on politicalization. david: it s a tough one and doesn t come up in conversation. thank you. the new york city terror suspect may have been plotting a bigger attack. so did he have help with his evil plan? 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absolutely, david. law enforcement now are backtracking and they re trying to establish a nexxis between him and other individuals who may have been radicalized in this country. david: let me stop you there, one of the things that s holding police back are officials in new york city and the state itself. we know that mayor deblasio publicly denounced the surveillance program that had certain affects in terms of some of the mosques. this particular mosque, it wasn t accidental that it was surveilled they didn t pick it out of a phone book. they picked it because there were suspicious characters going in and out and now the public officials are stopping that, that s a mistake, i think, don t you? it s a mistake this they were allowed to do that. but the federal government and the fbi even preempt state officials so i anticipate that the fbi is doing a deep scrub this have guy s background, david. david: all right, well, the brooklyn bridge. this came as a shock to me, i m overjoyed that he wasn t able to do that, even though it was horrible what he did do. is that because the brooklyn bridge was a harder target? well, it was. the brooklyn bridge and those kind of targets are considered harder targets. self-targets are unfortunately, like that bike path, there are other soft target, i m hoping and i know there will be a lot of security tomorrow, that you ll have thousands and thousands of people at the marathon, the new york marathon tomorrow, that s also a soft target and this is what is going on. you remember lindsey graham, the senator from south carolina has forewarned us over and over at that they were coming here. welsh we ve seen the vehicle attacks in europe and now they re here and this unfortunately, i don t want to alarm people, but this is not going to be the last attack that we ll see of this nature in the united states. david: the marathon is 26.2 miles, it s a hell of a security job, but we have the finest out on the streets protecting the innocent. absolutely. david: ted williams, good to see you, my friend. appreciate it. a huge part of our economy is seeming to give the new tax plan a thumbs down. why? we break it down next. eed in ? then we found out how many years that money would last them. how long do you think we ll keep oooooohhh! you stopped! you re gonna leave me back here at year 9? how did this happen? it turned out, a lot of people fell short, of even the average length of retirement. we have to think about not when we expect to live to, but when we could live to. let s plan for income that lasts all our years in retirement. prudential. bring your challenges. so the president may be travelling, he may be jet lagged, but there s always time for a tweet. unemployment is down to 4.1% lowest in 17 years. 1.5 million new jobs created since i took off. stock market up 5.4 trillion dollars. so the president, does he have it right? is the economy doing spectacularly well? hadley heat manning and jonas max ferris. you can make stats prove anything you want. having said that, the economy does seem to be growing right now, no? well, that s right. and you re absolutely right. you can make statistics say anything. we do continue to have sort of a bifurcated economy, an economy where some wage earners are struggling to make ends meet, living paycheck to paycheck because their wages have stalled out. you can look at the economy through a variety of different lenses, but we can be optimistic and hope that this reduction in unemployment is a good sign. david: jonas, we have the tax plan pending. no telling what they ll do when they mark it up next week, no telling whether the senate s going to pass it. no telling a about a lot of things. but home builders are upset about this tax bill, why? because it starts to address an issue that they ve been wanting to address for a long time, but is tough to address, which is the mortgage deduction interest and 1.1 million in mortgages was including heloc s and stuff and does encourage people to buy more house than they normally would and benefits home builders, more than anybody else. home depot stock went down when the news of this came out. the home builders are not the economy, they re a part of it, big part, a lot of jobs, commodities, et cetera. they re not like an apple or google, you can t tailor your tax package to one special interest group. it s not ideal for that specific industry, but there s other stuff that people would spend money on if they weren t encouraged by the tax code to put more money in a house than they normally would. for example, stocks, there are groups and industries that would benefit. david: jonas, a point much order, is this just new mortgages that we re talking about? yeah, they re not going to no one is going to take the guy who bought a $1 million house and say your mortgage, forget it, it s a serious problem. it s not enough that there will be some adjustment in prices at the high end of the market, not going to hurt everybody. the home owners are going doom and gloom and cause depression and that s exaggerated and harken back in 1986 when reagan s tax bill brought down the top rate to 28%, which was a wonderful top rate, in my opinion. but that original, in the that tax plan, they ended deductions, mortgage interest deductions for your second home. a lot of people said that 87 market crash, it was terrible on one day and then recovered quickly, they said it was predicated on that plan. they eventually changed it back to the way it was, so now you can deduct for as many homes as you want, but, is it likely that there could be repercussions from this, if it goes through? well, every change to the tax code, we all believe in greater simplicity, right, and principle, but every change to the tax code has a constituency behind it, in this case it s the real estate lobbyists, it s home builders and i ve got to agree with jonas here, if there s any impact, it s going to be sort of a correction. it s a market distortion. and we all like to take the mortgage deduction, but the vast majority will not be affected by the change, a million, half a million for the cap. we have to look the a the slashing of the corporate rate from that and the net benefit is going to be positive. david: we can t forget bringing that money back. we just have about 30 seconds, but it s my contention, a lot of people say dump the whole deal because they re unhappy with a lot of parts of it. i m not happy with a lot of it, but better than what we have now. what do you think in 30 seconds? there s no way hurting one group is going to be a net negative when you re talking about corporate tax rates going down which affect all earnings and the entire stock market. yes, there will be groups. the economy is strong you have in to handle taking on these issues which are hard. couldn t have done the thing with the mortgage interest and if you re doing the low unemployment situation, it s probably the best time to address some distortions in the tax code. david: quickly, is it going to improve or distort the economy, hadly, quickly? 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i m trying to figure out what that means. before i don t know why he s so funny every time. harris: and joyful. we love that. david: is a lot of fun to be here. thanks for having me. harris: i love the autumn tie. david: my wife picked it out for me. harris: let s get to the news. later this hour, president trump is going to speak with g.o.p. senators on capitol hill. the policy lunch is happening as republicans in congress are turning their attention to overhauling the nation s tax code. the houses affected hold a final vote this thursday, the day after tomorrow approving the senate s budget resolution. that s a huge hurdle was to get over that tax reform. president trump had asked them to get it done quickly so that they could move forward on that tax legislation. house ways and means committee chairman kevin brady says they are on schedule to get that done for it speaker paul ryan says he is optimistic. adopting this budget is another sign of real momentum for tax reform. of getting the train on the tracks and getting this moving so we can deliver real tax relief and a healthier, stronger economy for the american people. i want to thank president trump for his leadership. i want to thank them for expression to our members just how urgent this is for the country and how needed this is for workers. as he said, we are on the verge of doing something very histori historic. harris: chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live for us on the hill, and you heard the words from the speaker there. this is huge. no question about it. expected to be a very busy afternoon here on capitol hill. already today, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell focuses on fixing the tax code, the first step up is taxing that budget. a comprehensive responsible budget that will help the government on a path the balance and help put our economy on the road to robust growth. this week, the house plans to bring a budget to the floor for passage by thursday. once they pass it, we will have import important legislative tools for tax reform. speak with a final tax reform package is not public yet, yet top democrats are already taking aim saying the mass does not add up. the fact is there s no way the republicans can avoid raising taxes on a good number of middle-class families if they re going to cling to such massive tax cuts for the rich and powerful and still make the numbers work. even with fake math. on the house side, first things first they must paste senate version in order to move on with tax reform. the plan is devoted it on thursday and it is being sold as the first phase. speak when you look at the budget, it is the mechanism against tax reform and the sooner we get tax reform and growth in this country, the sooner we help those hard-working taxpayers across america. if g.o.p. leaders have the votes for that budget, democrats won t be able to stop them, so leading democrats are blasting the tax reform push. republican s are continuing their effort to give tax cuts to the least deserving and the least needy of them. the upper bracket of millionaires and billionaires and corporations. i wouldn t call this tax cuts. president trump will make his appeal to senate republicans today to get this done in a hurry. harris: a hurry indeed. mike emanuel, thank you very much. david, we know that the first system to open the vault in success for republicans potentially is to get this budget deal done. he saw a couple of days ago, the president calling for republicans to get it done. is there any doubt that they would pass the budget? david: there s no doubt now because other conservatives in the house, which is really their leadership is where this would end up, they have said they are signing on to this budget deal and i think they ll be no problem passing it. one of the big talkers today has been senator corker going after the president with some pretty strong words. let s watch this and then we ll talk about it. i don t know why he lowers himself to such a low standard and debases our country in a way that he does. president has great difficulty with the truth. on many issues. do you regret supporting him in the election? let s just put it this way, i would not do that again. i think the basement of our nation will be what he will be remembered most for and that s regretful. harris: so you may wonder what does this have to do with the budget and tax reform. in the president is getting ready to have lunch with senators and one of those senators i just last read is an rsvp. you think that he s going to show it but here s what the president said in a tweet in response about 40 minutes after what you just saw senator corker say. he said senator corker is the incompetent head of the foreign relations committee and look at how poorly the u.s. has done. he doesn t have a clue as the entire world was laughing and taking advantage of us. people like little bob corker have set the u.s. way back. now we move forward. i think we ve got some breaking news first. a few seconds to get to it still. but what just happened with the president were dissipated any award ceremony for entrepreneur entrepreneurs. it was the of minority enterprise development award, eight winners of that organization are being awarded by the president. they are set to embody the entrepreneurial spirit that makes this country great. the reason why were going to get to that when it comes is because he did address tax reform and any update that we get from the president on tax reform right now makes news. so give us a few seconds and we will get to that as soon as we can. harris: that s so true because they ve got this back and forth with corker and that s just a shiny object. sandra: here it is. let s listen. president trump: thank you very much. mention a couple words. reciprocal trade, and that s what we are doing. we are working on many trade deals that have treated our country very unfairly for many years and nobody even understood it, didn t know what was going on. those days are over. so we are renegotiating certain trade deals and we started the process for others, it s a long process as you probably know. you have statutory requirements and lots of other things but the bottom line is, step-by-step getting it done and we are way ahead of schedule i would say. we started with nafta, we ll see how that turns out. it may not turn out and if it doesn t turn out, we will have to do a new nafta. or a new deal. we will see how it turns out. thank you, i m honored and thrilled to be with you this morning. the white house and the oval office is a very special place. i assume everyone if you have been in the oval office many times. [laughter] it s an honor to have you now. i can tell you that. i want to congratulate everyone of the business businessmen and women in this room and all that you have achieved, incredible stories. each of you has a remarkable past and i think an even more remarkable future. i feel that. does everybody feel that? i think so. especially with trump as your president. each of you represents a critical american industry from construction to technology to manufacturing. but you all share in a common will and drive to succeed, and i salute you for that. you need that drive to be successful. minority owned businesses and employees 8 million people and generates more than $1 trillion in annual economic output. the work you do and the products and services you bring into this world generate new prosperity across america. for that, we are in your debt. you inspire our children to develop their talents and to always chase their dreams. you carry on our nation s proud legacy of innovation, and you breathe new life into the american spirit. a recent department of labor report showed the fewest jobless claims since 1973. think of that. 1973. we just had a report, we have the fewest jobless claims. my i told press because the only way i ll get the word out there as if i say it. they ll never say it. my administration is deeply committed to empowering minority business owners. we are working to lift government barriers that we can thrive, prosper, and grow and speaking of grow, our stock market just at another high, the highest it s ever been in history by far. we ve created about $5.4 trillion only in stock market value. $5.4 trillion. and we are very happy about it. a lot of jobs. we have the lowest job numbers since 16 to 17 years. lowest unemployment. we are doing really well. which makes it better for you. as a candidate for president, i pledge to fight to deliver opportunities for every community in america. all american children from the rust belt to our inner cities deserve great schools, safe neighborhoods, and access to high-paying jobs and i talked a lot about the inner cities on the campaign. and the tremendous potential in the inner-city and we are working on that very, very hard. critical to creating the future is reforming our tax code to produce new investment and development in our country. we must bring back our jobs and rebuild america s cities and towns. that s what we re doing. it s time to take care of our country and fight for our families. at the center of our america first agenda is our commitment to ensure every child in america is a future of security and future of hope. we are one of the highest taxed nations in the world. anywhere in the world, one of the highest taxed, costing us millions of jobs and trillions and trillions of dollars. our tax cuts will restore america s competitive edge and lower the crushing tax burden on the american people. it s also going to bring back if we get this passed, which i believe we will, we have to as a country great is going to bring back $4 trillion back into this country, which right now cannot come back. it is being spent in other countries. money that wants to come back into the united states cannot come back, but under our plan, that money will flow back in and it will be very quick and it will be very easy and it s a lot of money. nobody even knows the amount. it was two and half trillion dollars a few years ago, so it s a now it s got to be close to 4 trillion or above that number. we will find out soon because it s going to come back very, very rapidly. under a plan, more than 30 million americans in small businesses will get a 40% cut to their top marginal tax rate. this will be the lowest rate in more than 80 years. so this will be the lowest rate you have in more than 80 years. that s 1931 is the last time there was a rate this low. we are going to massively reduce the corporate tax so the companies say in america, move to america, and higher right here in america. in other words, they stay in america and they don t fire their workers. and that s what are about. our plan can be summarized in three simple words. jobs, jobs, jobs. the award winning business leaders here today represents the best of america and our determination to succeed and to grow. together, we are going to ensure that more american citizens can unlock their potential of which they have tremendous potential, provide for their families, and live out the american dream. again, congratulations to all of the awardees. it s a tremendous achievement. i really tremendous achievement. a great respect for you. and thank you, god bless you, and god bless america. thank you very much. thank you very much, everybody. sandra: president from just wrapping up with entrepreneurs they are at the white house, addressing two things, the stock market and taxes. on the stock market, he said we created $5.42 trillion since taking office preyed on tax cuts, that s where he continues to make news. trying to summarize the overall plan on the table right now with jobs, jobs, jobs. he said if we get this done, which he said i think we will, it ll bring $4 trillion back into this country. it ll be quick and easy. we went the president making news as he s making news because he is getting ready to go into that luncheon with senators and don t you wonder what those lawmakers on the hill are going to be talking about on the heels of those comments and then you have the bob corker situation going on which he set that up right before the president spoke about the awards among that business community, calling them representative of the best in our nation. so what do you do with that shiny object in the room called senator bob corker and the president going back and forth? david: if i was a president, i would ignore him. if he s at the lunch, i don t know that senator corker will attend. we have to get onto the agenda. not onto the side shows and think that that is the very important thing that has to come out of this launch and out of the white house continuously is the discipline of that message, which is tax reform, tax reform, and more tax reform and have it done by the end of this year. our economy, the american worker deserves it and needs it and president trump campaigned on it and so did every member of congress that s in there right now. when real quickly, i am curious because this is a very business board room like behavior from the president. he had a lot of lunches, has a lot of meetings. what does it do for communication because you see him have a rift with a guy like senator corker and you re saying corker probably want to attend, but we don t know. sandra: he s on his way to lunch, he is going. david: who knows if he will come or not and it s unimportant. i hope that story line doesn t dominate the day. i hope the conversation about tax reform in the senate, a commitment to get tax reform done this year, our economy needs it. unemployment is down, the dow is up. we have all these economic indicators. if we could have this infusion of capital into the system is going to be generational change. harris: is really is a huge debt. you ve got the budget, you got tax reform, don t really need democrats to do the latter of those. jessica: you got all the republicans. harris: okay. jessica: there are were publicans who have expressed concerns about this adding over trillion dollars to the deficit, bob corker brought it up. bob corker for all of the fun that he is creating with this and the lines that he s feeding for democrats to say even republicans know this, he votes with the president. these guys act like they re big mavericks and they stay in line largely. we will see what happens. harris: worried about getting a seat at the table to get a point of view into this tax legislation? sandra: i think overall he should be concerned, but the president went out there and complained about tax reform. talk to people like manchin. a lucky gal. what i d really like to hear out of the president and out of republicans is the tax reform packages, talk about things like payroll taxes, talk about the earned income tax credit. talk about the middle class cut. they are saying that the middle class is going to be better off but they re not actually cutting their taxes. that s the difference. harris: want to give rachel a chance to jump in here. rachel: i want to say good for the president for going to the hilt. barack obama went to the set of the the daily show with jon stewart more times than he ever went to congress. that is actually a fact, not a story of mine. that is true, you can look it up. i will say this, we have a community organized president who believes in a centralized economy if you will for eight years. this tax reform is huge. it s an opportunity for once for a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see paul ryan, i know him. did you see how giddy he looked? harris: no drama on the hill is going to get in the way of it. rachel: i m saying that what democrats are afraid of is that this will happen because this will prove that free market and liberty and deregulation and decentralizing our economy work works. harris: s remains part of the conversation because that lunch with the president talking tax reform lawmakers coming up is coming to the hill which is a big deal as we just heard rachel campos duffy say. unprecedented criminal and imminent. the nuclear missile capabilities from a key american ally. as a former obama defends chief tells president trump to tone down his rhetoric. but why would lowering the volume work now? we will debate it. hillary clinton is going after claims of pay to play while she was secretary of state. what she is saying now is raising some eyebrows. there s something for you and me, and the american road is calling, so what s it gonna be? hey it s an amazing day, traveling our own highway, no matter where it leads us we can smile, cuz there s meaning in the miles. how much money do 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newsroom, i spoke with a congresswoman investing that paid to play claims involving clinton but i asked him where does the investigation stand now? we now know that there is the existence of somebody who is a confidential informant from the various early days of this scheme working with the russians who were involved in the uranium but he d had to sign a nondisclosure agreement. he wants to be able to tell his story to congress and the american people. this individual has a lot of information. i think he s got documents, and we need to hear from him. sandra: but he can t speak right now. that s part of the problem. david: i served as chief investigator during the clinton years so i heard her story before, this is old news. this is an old news thing. sandra: she said it s baloney. david: the attorney general jeff sessions who was a law and order attorney general must appoint a special counsel for the uranium deal. it has to happen. we must have this. the only way for the american people to get to the bottom of this is if he appoints a special counsel to get to the bottom. rachel: have a gag order and let the congress intervene? congress needs to. that s the public s right to know aspect to this. public hearings, congressional hearings, educate the american people, they can determine for themselves. people want to know, people voted for this in administration and they re going it taking this long for jeff sessions to do that? he just has to list a gag order. david: these orders that the hill came out with have done an amazing job in uncovering the story. part of that was our three year litigation battle against the state department uncovering these documents. sandra: you re very passionate about this and you wrote an op-ed where you re calling on sessions to appoint a special counsel to look at this and you wrote many people wondered why the united states would give russian vladimir pugh and a sweet deal like this. in the context of the 2016 presidential campaign, it was about the money flowing to the clinton foundations. accusations of pay for play with financial benefits for the clintons winning out over national security concern. and why the obama justice department seem to do nothing about it. david: she said on the board that made the decision. bob mueller, the current investigator on the so-called russian collusion investigation about trim campaign which is in whitley fabricated, i might add with the director at the time so there needs to be somebody other than him who investigates this made eric holder was his boss. that s all swept under the rug. i don t think the american people would like someone that was involved in the investigation. harris: it seems like they want to sweep this under the ru rug. clinton is not president so let s focus on the current administration. jessica: i m focused on both. they understand that the benghazi things were completely grueling for everyone involved, most of all the family. i think the gag order was alarming to everybody no matter what side of the aisle that you re on it. i think we should get to the bottom of all of it. it s fascinating to me that you just went on about how this is a uranium deal and then you said the trump russian probe is completely fabricated. david: 14 months, and investigation, 14 months, not one scintilla of evidence. jessica: there are plenty of people. why is carter page of pleading the fifth. why is all this information coming out about paul manafort? david: has nothing to do with collusion of the campaign. you re mixing those out. jessica: if you want results to come out of a special prosecution of hillary clinton why not the same standard for the president of the united states? sandra: let s get rachel in here. david: i was there at the campaign. rachel: in david s opinion is that it was fabricated but there were multiple opinions. the difference is, they re all multiple investigations into russian collusion with no evidence of what has come up with important now. the american people are looking at what s happening now with hillary clinton. they allowed the russians to get the bomb making material in nine departments. jessica: it s not about hillary. rachel: it is about the whole obama administration great i hope we uncover what happened here. this is serious stuff they do is i think democracy is on the line here. harris: the president of the united states then. he said a few days ago that he considers us to be the story of the decade. he wants it looked into. will attorney general jeff sessions step up and open an investigation? we shall see what will happen and will report the facts as they happen. sandra: we will leave it there. as japan sounds the alarm on north korea, former obama administration official is pushing back on president trump president trump s tough talk strategy. and but is it time for a new approach after the last three administer rations failed to contain north korea? there are smiles on the couch. harris: 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the rhetoric between fire and fury and destroying the united states, et cetera. what it does is it increases the tension level. is the concern about a miscalculation. or a mistake that will ultimately escalate to a greater conflict. it would be far better to lower the volume of rhetoric. sandra: isn t that what we have seen in recent history with recent administrations? david: part of the reason that president trump inherited these incredible problems around the world, iran and north korea and others is because of the geniuses like this who have done the exact opposite. that s the problem. sandra: i sense sarcasm. david: there s a lot of people over time that wanted to put their heads in the sand and look the other way. this president recognizes the threat that they are to this country, to american people here in our country, and that s what he is trying to deal with. he is saying we re going going to have some tough talk to try to get them to the table. rachel: leon panetta has been wrong on a lot of stuff. he was under obama when obama said russia can t recognize threats. he said russia wants their foreign policy back. they had the bad i ran deal north korea getting worse. they have the japanese defense minister right now seems to be saying. i think they re going to china and the rest of the world saying a winning business. you want peace, get on board. harris: ahead of their talks and their meat is, he told reporters look, the situation is different for north korea. the consequences have to be greater now for whatever they choose to do. so those stakeholders in the region certainly, you re absolutely spot on know that in some way or shape, they are targets if any source of way. i could do that for any of them so they have to get on board with us with this. go ahead. jessica: i was going to say in agreements, and i like the segment. i think that it is crucially important that we listen to our allies in the region and i think that something that gets lost in a lot of this twitter battling. harris: don t you think that secretary of state rex tillerson singh that we can do both basically? we can talk diplomacy right up until the bomb drops. jessica: that s why i thought that the tweets the president sent out saying take a breather, diplomacy is not going to work here were not only insulting but. harris: has anybody considered the fact that that may be part of the plan? these are not accidental. david: he doesn t just get mad and tweak? come on. this is part of the plan. there s no question that the president wants his leadership to be out there trying to work on the diplomatic angles and work with japan. jessica: but he told rex tillerson not to. david: what he said is a might be at waste of time. that is a position for him to take while he s out there. [all talking at once] jessica: i will say this, rex tillerson has some discipline and maybe in thereto. david: we need japan and south korea and others in the region to step up. china has to help out and the president and the last week has said that china seems to be trying to help when it comes to this north korean problem. it is not going to go away from us. we have to really buckle down and be ready for this in the long haul. sandra: you ve got the last word. new questions about whether hillary clinton is an asset or liability for democrats ahead of the midterm. vulnerable senator joe manchin saying no thank you if he said he wants clinton to join him on the campaign trail but is not a good move? we will certainly debate that. sarah is a fifth-grade teacher. when it comes to molding young minds, nobody does it better. she also builds her own fighting robots. destroy. but when it comes to mortgages, she s less confident. fortunately for sarah, there s rocket mortgage by quicken 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about putting coal miners out of business if she were elected. it wouldn t be wise for hillary to come to west virginia prayed it would be a good thing for her or for me. the relationship is just things that were said were very harmful and very hard to justify. she made a big mistake and it was wrong. that s all i can say. harris: manchin s seat as vulnerable as he tries to hold on in a state donald trump won is a candidate and faces primary challenge from the left as well. wouldn t be good for either one of them. what does that mean exactly? david: that is incredibly point. we can only hope and i would pay for airline tickets for hillary clinton to travel to lots of states where there are democratic incumbents. just from the russians, absolutely. jessica: everyone said that book was going to bond. david: she said she want to go to pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, places that she forgot about during her own campaign trade we will be welcoming her there because she will harm those democrat senators in missouri, west virginia, you name it, we are excited to have her. harris: can she anoint anybody at this point or is joe mansion right? don t come back to west virginia, you messed up. jessica: i think that hillary clinton should listen to each and every representative and what they have to say about whether she would hurt them if you showed up or would help them. i think she makes a tremendous difference. we saw that with the reception of her book, sold out talks, if you up in any of the very liberal states that would be a huge boon for a candidate. signed copies, you can have it all. but i think that it s quite responsible what joe manchin said and we all know that there are some places where she s going to show up and people are going to hammer on the deplorable comments. harris: said that about those coal miners? before the whole conversation, that sound bite. harris: do you think it was interpreted in such a way that she regrets? jessica: i m certain that she does, she certainly regrets deplorable s. harris: should she apologize? jessica: she has apologize if you read her book. i m not getting any money for that. she doesn t talk about that and has repeatedly. both hillary clinton and donald trump, two very polarizing figures. there are some places that donald trump should not shy what. this is not just the thing on our side. rachel: i would just say that i love the way senator manchin said she made a mistake. she did not make a mistake. she said the truth for once and that s what she really thinks. she was joking about green energy. obama during his campaign also said he wanted to see the coal industry decline. let me just say this. if the democrats right now don t just have problems with coal miners, they have problems with people who are making in manufacturing things because they told americans these jobs were gone forever. and donald trump is proving that these jobs can come back if you put america first. harris: you always say it s about the economy. sandra: it is about the economy. that was a great mistake. that was her opportunity to pivot and say i should of never. but the focus back on the economy. harris: we have to be the book on the former presidential candidate? jessica: she has a radical environmentalist on the left. it doesn t make you radical. hillary clinton is out there all the time. she is apologizing for a lot of wing herself. david: she blames everybody but herself. harris: she wrote a book called what happened. david: the answer is hillary clinton. what happened is she was the nominee. harris: so much fire today. lots of spirit on this couch. the mainstream media appearing to take a new angle and attacking president trump. are they? this time, a new cnn ad campaign, so is there facts first message a thinly veiled dig at mr. trump s fake news claims? or is this fair game. we will talk about it. tech: so you think this chip is nothing to worry about? well at safelite, we know sooner or later every 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plus, just as the administration s refugee ban, stunning new video of the legal immigrants and jumping border fence. reporters nearby talking to the president s proposed border wall, people who are designing it. as this is happening behind them. more on ot atop the hour. back to you guys. sandra: we will be watching, thank you. cnn releasing a new ad campaign that seemed to hit back at president trump s fake news claim. it never mentions them by name, critics are calling it into anti-trump campaign with a 30-second ad seemed to suggest the president is a liar. this is an apple. some people might try to tell you that it s a banana. they might scream banana, banana, banana over and over and over again. they might put banana in all caps. you might even start to believe that this is a banana. but it s not. this is an apple. sandra: take it away, david. david: that s quite honestly pathetic. i thought that was an iphone thing. i think apple should be upset. jessica: i thought it was a middle-class tax cut. david: you did? sandra: what? david: this is just part of cnn s complete assault on this president. they hate him. they don t want him to succeed trade they know that things like tax reform if it s done this year or early part of next year, he s going to be a successful president and that s what they don t want. if they don t want him reelected. that s why they do desperate things like this. the american people see past that. sandra: by the way, we do want to take a look at us live shot here. the presidents motorcade arriving at capitol hill ahead of this policy lunch with republican senators. this is there weekly lunch. the president is joining them, you know why, to urge them to get tax reform and tax cuts done. they are going to be hashing out some of those details of that plan. so this is a big moment the president going to sit down with the senators in order to sell his plan. david: i think it s a great day. the senate needs to work a little bit faster pace and i think the president is there to work with them on the deal but also to motivate them to get it done because as i said, good policy equals good politics. these people that are up for reelection in 2018 can run on a great economy if these tax cuts go through. jessica: it s important that he speaks to the senate. i have a husband in the house but the fact is the senate has been the problem. they are the problem child. that s where the cog in the wheel has been. so he s been there doing what he needs to do, he s a dealmaker and this will absolutely if they get this done in this economy goes into overdrive, forget it. sandra: it s a fair point to bring up because as the president is arriving there and capitol hill to sit down with senators to hash out the plan of the stock market is soaring. set another record high today. right now, the biggest gain since september in the american stock market. jessica: i completely agree that if they get tax reform done, we are going to have a much harder time come 2018 and 2020. everybody knows that. republican s absolutely need it. and they need a big win, the health care thing was a complete debacle. they absolutely need this. looking back to the point, that something the new york times did as well, the washington post. this is what bob corker was talking about just this morning. trump has a problem with the truth. sandra: that s mainstream media. the president has a fierce exchange with words with senator bob corker earlier toda today. corker is at that lunch, by the way. so this is going to get really interesting really fast. the president arriving on capitol hill as you just saw to sit down with senators trying to get something done. as you can see, there s a president walking into the lunch right now with mitch mcconnell as you can hear people yelling some things. we will keep the camera on here because this is a huge moment happening on capitol hill. tax reform, the president has said his goal is to get something done by thanksgiving. so the urgency is there read the clock is ticking, david bossi. as you can see a little activity there happening in the hall as the president went into the luncheon. david: i m excited about this lunch. i think that we are going to see in 90 minutes or so what happened during this lunch. hopefully we get a little bit of meat on the tax bill, get talked about the detail of it and where it s going to be and maybe get a timetable as well. rachel: my husband had a meeting not long ago at the irish embassy, he s an irish guy. they were afraid of this happening. they know that if this happens, all the jobs that left ireland and other places are going to come back to america they were afraid of this. this is not for corporations, though a lot of people work for corporations, this will make a difference for the american people. jessica: that s a huge corporate tax cut. rachel: people work for corporations. david: we need corporate, we need llcs, we need some chapters, all the small businesses, we need individuals. jessica: direct one, not trickle down. david: we need tax cuts for everybody. jessica: that something that they are not. sandra: what you are looking at here, the president just wrapped up. a lot happening this hour in washington, the president had just wrapped up that awards ceremony for entrepreneurs at the white house. we saw that happen live. a few minutes later, the motorcade departed the white house for capitol hill. the president is meeting with senators on capitol hill. this is there weekly lunch. he is joining them. they re going to hash out some of the details on tax reform. the president is going to make his push there. you just saw a few moments ago senate majority leader mitch mcconnell greet the president, lock him into the lunch. and now you are seeing the very crowded hallways at the capital there because this is where the activity is at. david: not always like that that. jessica: when the president shows up, it usually looks like that. i don t think hillary hangs out there anymore. sandra: this is the top of their agenda right now on the top of this president s agenda as well, tax reform. rachel: you can see that the house are serious because the house wouldn t necessarily accept that senate budget because is not as conservative as their budget but they re saying we are not going to waste anymore time. we are going to vote on this. this is real. this is absolutely real. this is going to happen. sandra: the president has arrived at capitol hill, on capitol hill to have lunch with senate republicans, all of this was happening a few moments ago. the big day. whether or not they can get down and into the nitty-gritty, work out some details of this plan because we ve got the outline. we need more detail. jessica: that will be interesting because i think that s what the president doesn t do as well with the details as he does the kind of charm. we have seen footage before of him going into these meetings before and doing quite well with business leaders. like you said, it will be 4 trillion in profit and don t worry about the deficit, things like that. the devil is in the details for the senators were going to be difficult here. like bob corker, for instance. david: bob corker and his cnn triad today. sandra: schumer was not there when asked whether he wishes he was lunching with trump today, he said send him my best. that s according to our produce producer. thank you for joining us. and thanks to you guys as well. we are back on tv tomorrow at noon eastern. to join us every weekday. outnumbered at noon. now to outnumbered over time with harris faulkner starts now. harris: outnumbered overtime, the president is on capitol hill to push to go big ticket items on his agenda. let s go overtime. they are talking tax reform is in health care, too. the president is hoping his party can rally around the tax bill, they can get on his desk by thanksgiving. white house correspondent kevin corke joins us live at the white house, we know the president left a little while ago and we are seeking to see how the mood is on capitol hill. this is the perfect time of day to talk to our colleagues, listen, this is an electric environment, when the president makes a brief trip
meteorologist live in the extreme weather center. one thing that s interesting is the pressure has come down a little bit. the winds are still at 185, the pressure has come down by 80 millibars. it s a strengthening storm, not a weakening storm. that s the bad news. strong winds in puerto rico. we ve had hurricane force gusts but the worst is at the center, that s where those 185-mile-an-hour winds are. hopefully they stay just offshore to puerto rico as well as the dominican republic. that will not be the case as it moves through the bahamas towards turks and caicos. there isn t really anything we are seeing that will break the storm apart other than it s hard to really forecast that it s going to stay attic category 5. the longest that has happened is for three days. if you look at the forecasting, it looks like maybe we are going to see that. one of the thing, we are, if you flip the cone, we don t like to do that. anybody inside this cone could see the center of this goal. hurricanes aren t points. their larger storms storms. if you were to split the center, that put site category 4 storm very close up the coast of miami sometime on sunday. i m not saying that s going to happen but it s a possibility here. also could go a little east. you also notice if it stays here offshore we could have a category 3 storm somewhere around savannah, georgia, moving towards charleston. you will also notice the transition from miami up towards the georgia coast, that would be a straight line going along the coast. this is very similar to what we saw last year with matthew which was a storm that hugged the coast the entire way and eventually made landfall in the carolinas. this is kind of a similar path. we cannot say if it goes 20 miles one way or another still yet, in fact we probably can t do that until it s happening. everybody here across parts of florida, we also need to be watching in georgia and south carolina. everybody in the entire peninsula of florida, everyone in the peninsula is still in the cone of uncertainty. figure yes, it s very possible this storm takes a little bit of a western term. what we know is going to happen is that the storm is going to make a right-hand turn. where it happens is difficult to say. that means it could be going over the keys heading over lake okeechobee, orlando, could go further towards the east. if it stays well offshore, that would be the best news. our model indicating that s going to happen, still is a possibility. at this point, the best idea is that the eastern seaboard, the western side, probably you are in a little better shape. we will see less and on the west side and probably less wind. shepard: this storm moving at 16 miles an hour and forward progression which means it doesn t sit and spin for a long time. is the forward progress expected to continue? i think we will see a similar forward pace. the thing that caused the problems with harvey was because the storm just stopped moving and it dropped all that rain. this isn t one of those storms. this is going to be an incredible wind maker and storm surge issued for wherever it makes landfall. i then rain. because the storm is moving faster, we won t be looking, i don t think, i know we won t be looking at anything 20 plus inches of rain. probably 10 220. shepard: i see the cone still shows the possibility of hitting those mountains in cuba. yeah, that s in there. it s been a little bit of an indication may be a slightly south trajectory before the right-hand turn. i don t think we are going to have major interaction with mountainous land mass. that would be the island of hispaniola, cuba, that disrupts the storms a lot. these islands in the bahamas, those are flat. they won t disrupt it at all. the waters here are warmer than any water that s gone over yet. the fuel is still there. one thing that happens sometimes when you have a storm that s very close, the center is close to a mountainous terrain, the mountainous terrain can still interrupt it a little bit. that would be one thing that could possibly cause it to weaken. keep in mind i think what we are going to see is we have 185-mile-an-hour category 5 storm which is something we haven t seen in ages or a very long time. it will probably come down to a category 4 at some point. the way people start to think about things, it s weakening. don t think that. if this is a cat 4 storm, that would be the second cat 4 hurricane making landfall in the continental 48. that would be unheard of. we haven t seen anything like that happen here and that would cause incredible damage. at this point, we are looking at a major hurricane for at least probably the last six to seven days. shepard: rick, thanks very much. the weather center is up and operating throughout the storm. there s another storm behind this one, hurricane jose has formed. it is to the right on the map of this hurricane. maximum sustained winds at about 75 miles an hour. where it will go we don t yet know. we know that irma is headed in the general direction of florida. phil keating is live in west miami-dade county. all of these drivers you see heading down the road in southwest miami, they are heading home. gas stations are running out of fuel consistently all throughout south and central florida. that s exactly what happened in this gas station 20 minutes ago. we had two humongous lines of cars. people waiting in their car for a full hour. you do all that and then you get close and suddenly the cones go up, the yellow tape. those people are desperately driving around town trying to find another gas station that still has fuel. free filling these gas stations, these gas pumps, has been a challenge. another challenge has been for miami beach residents who are still there. it s a very low-lying beach. it s notorious for flooding even in just a full moon rain storm. they have been sandbagging trying to plan for a potential catastrophic flooding. you want to go buy something, like a case of water or pet food, batteries for your flashlight, good luck. stocks are down, grocery stores, costco, walmart. we saw 100 people in line just to buy one case of bottled water at a walmart today. the keys are evacuating. tours were ordered out last night. all residents who live in the keys are ordered to be out by 7:00 tonight. a friend of mine in key west told me that town is a ghost town. those people usually have a hurricane party and ride it out. everybody has been watching nonstop satellite loop of this hurricane. people are getting seriously very concerned. shepard: crews releasing water from lake okeechobee. to give the water a place to go. absolutely. u.s. army corps of engineers operates that lake. it s got a really old 1960s era hoover dam all the way around, a big levy. 1930s, 3,000 people downhill from the levy died during a massive hurricane. the governor ordered today to lower the lake level a couple feet. it can go as high as 19 feet. the governor says he thinks that will hold. they are hoping to prevent a massive flooding disaster from the failure of the levee. shepard: west miami-dade county, thanks very much. want to show you this loop. this is the updated cone of uncertainty from the national hurricane center. the 5:00 update is out, 5:00 eastern time. maximum sustained winds one heard 85 miles an hour. rick mentioned the central pressure, 114 millibars, down from about six notches which means the storm is strengthening, not weakening and heading generally west-northwest. this is the projected track. we get over to friday, about 2:00 still at 160 miles an hour. then a turn to the north. the west side into naples, fort myers? does it come ashore in the florida keys and go up through miami and south miami-dade county and broward and palm beach? where the eye goes, it s about 25 miles wide, that s where the maximum sustained winds are in the wall of the eye. the eye is about 25 miles wide. that s the area that will have with it the greatest destruction. when and where is yet to be known. these specialists up next on fox news channel in 3 minutes. your insurance on time. tap one little bumper, and up go your rates. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? news flash: nobody s perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance. kat: i am kat timpf with eboni k. williams and david webb. this is the fox news specialists . hell has apparently frozen over and the nation s capital. a bipartisan deal has been reached. president trump throwing a major political curveball, siding with democrats for a bill that will keep the government open and raise the debt ceiling into mid-december. it will also fund recovery aid for hurricane harvey. chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell addressed reporters this afternoon. it was a really good moment of some bipartisanship and getting things done. we democrats, you know, some people urged us, don t help at all, particularly on the debt ceiling. but we thought for the good of the country we should make the right offer, and we did, and we are very glad the president accepted it. his feeling was that we needed to come together to not create a picture of divisivenes divisiveness. kat: the agreement helps clear the way for president trump s big tax reform push this ball with the president making the case in north dakota a short time ago. president trump: working together, we are going to restore america s competitive edge bypassing tax cuts and reform that will make america the best place in the world to hire, invest, and grow. we love our country. we love our people, and we want to create more jobs in america for americans. our tax code is a giant self-inflicted economic wound. kat: is today s unexpected compromise a case study in the art of the deal from president trump? let s bring in today s specialists. he s the former governor of arkansas, mike huckabee. she s a senior director of research and consumer insight, jessica tarlov is here. governor huckabee, i saw you laughing while chuck schumer was talking. i thought you might want to jump in. mike: i was wondering if chuck schumer is in the orthopedic ward. i think he broke his arm patting himself on the back for this extraordinary moment. it s funny to watch chuck schumer talk about what a bipartisan guy he is, and he s been one of the biggest stumbling blocks to getting anything done. but today was a smart move on the part of the president. this is something that was going to inevitably happen, the debt ceiling was going to increase. the republicans don t have enough guts to not do it. the democrats want to do it. trump doesn t want to be bogged down with that battle while we ve got two hurricanes going on. and more important things like true tax reform, getting obamacare repealed and replaced, and all the other things that should be on the agenda. so this was good politics. it gives trump an opportunity to say i m not the guy that blocks everything. he also knows this, kat. he is dealing with a bunch of incompetent republicans who are so completely impotent that a year s supply of political viagra would not make them capable of getting something done. kat: there is a take. mike: i am sick of the republicans in congress. they are utterly worthless and getting something done. they have the house. they ve got the senate and they have their president will sign the bills. they have the numbers to get something done, and they can t even get together on changing the doggone tax code. i am done with them. kat: do you think this was a good thing, david? david: for everything i am about to say, i will add on, see the former speaker. it s the art of the deal. they were going to do this no matter what. governor huckabee is right. they were going to have the debt ceiling raised. we were going to see that midnight vote, all of this playing out. now that s taken off the table. now they can focus on tax reform, and the president is out on this. whether it is the three easy pieces initiative that requires a 51 vote majority. that gives us three pieces that reforms taxes for americans. whether it s other issues but when it comes to health care, they are not prepared. now he has political capital because he has something else. he has chuck schumer patting himself back repeatedly. the most partisan hack, there is no other way to say it, in the senate on the democrat side is chuck schumer. the new harry reid. trump is laying this out and i think we are seeing the beginning of a negotiation. kat: do you think, jessica, that this will matter when it comes to democrats, will will e more likely to compromise? jessica: absolutely not. democrats being in the minority, they have gotten under credible amount done, or at least stopped an incredible amount. health care, tax reform. i think it is smart to be out there with heidi heitkamp. that s what she needs to do and nine other democrats in red states. trump needs to be talking to them more. the democrats have completely and utterly gamed the republicans and that s the frustration with mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. they have the numbers. they can t get it done. tax reform is more likely numbers wise because they all want to tax cut for individuals and corporate rate. then you have president trump talking about a 15% rate when paul ryan s has a 25% rate is reasonable. i think you are continuing to see that donald trump has no interest in being part of any party. he is a party of one. the base, they don t have an allegiance either. they just go with trump. i don t know what that means for the republicans in 2018 and 2020. eboni: i will piggyback off with the governor said. your frustration speaks to that of many of my republican friends. what is the g.o.p.? what is it paul ryan wants? what is it that mitch mcconnell wants and what are they willing to do? what type of political capital are they willing to spend to make it happen? it s very unclear to all people. the terms of what the president did today, i think pick your battles has never had more meaning. this is not a smart battle. it was going to get done anyway. i do think jessica is right. i don t think it makes the democrats more likely to compromise but politically to the outsiders looking in, i think it gives him a little bit more goodwill, the president saying, he did give them something. he put something on the table and he deserves to get something back in tax reform. who doesn t want to come who doesn t need it? this is the single issue my mother, lifetime democrat, went to the booth and voted for president trump. she wanted that relief around the individual and small business tax rate. kat: he could say i compromised with you guys. you won t compromise with me. jessica: when you have a approval rating of 9% to 13%. it doesn t make them seem like decent human beings. i don t use the word hack but we use the word partisan. any of the leadership and most of the foot shoulders. soldiers. when we have 40% of americans identifying as independent. americans don t speak in the language of the democrats or republicans anymore. i don t know where you go from there. mike: the language of their parties, that s the problem. they are not speaking the language of their parties. they are speaking the language of their d.c. donors. jessica: the representatives? mike: exactly. they are not answering to the people. if they were, we would have repealed and replaced obamacare. we would ve had multiple things that would have already. they don t want to offend their handlers, the people who handle the money into their campaign coffers. that s what s killing it. david: i will add, you know why we really need a border wall? k street and every building where there is a congressman. democrats shouldn t do a victory lap on this either. we have the objects, trump has the opportunity to turn the optics because the one thing about donald trump that i love, no matter what you say about hi him, he is not the squishy fish republicans who run to the corner and say no i m not. he stands up, looks you right in the eye, looks the nation right in the eye. chuck schumer may do his pat on the back routine but he better get his arm fixed. eboni: it s about who the representatives are afraid of. they are not afraid of their constituents putting them out of office. they are afraid of the donors, the checkbooks and ink pens drying up. that s the problem. the minute the constituents have the power again, we will see a different washington. kat: i think it needs to be said. i m concerned about the national debt. and i don t think congressional g.o.p. is. i don t think they care. i think i don t even really know what republican is anymore. it s not seeming to be very fiscally conservative if this is no big deal. certainly not small government. at some point we will need to balance the budget. jessica: the same size as that democrat bill. peter you are simplifying it. when you look at the structural things being done in d.c., reducing the size of the epa. 500 people sanctioned or fired of the va. the fact that 700 people in the pentagon there were transition from under obama from political appointments to jobs, positions being considered how to get rid of them. trump is innovating, is looking for ways to bring government into more efficiency. typify the tax code. jessica: he s i m not using a talking point, david. david: i spend a lot of time every week looking into policy, not quick points. the fact is you ve got to take time to do this and over time i think you will see a reduction in the government size and its scope and more efficiency. based on what s being done by the different bureaus and departments. kat: still spending too much and more and more on wars and stuff we shouldn t be getting involved in. up next, congressional leaders delivering big talk over daca today. will they act? 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mike: this is a congress that hasn t done nothing in eight months. i think six months is incredibly generous. i found it interesting the states are going to sue donald trump because he has done this. what are they going to sue him for? respecting the constitutional separation of powers? this is a man who decided to live by the law rather than by his emotions. i m so tired of people in all three branches of government who have apparently failed ninth grade civics. i applaud the president for having having at least exhibited some respect that the executive branch cannot just act unilaterally. thank god for that. what happened to the other two branches? again, i am baffled what the lawsuit would look like. eboni: probably wouldn t have good legal legs. what s your take on executive orders in general? mike: if they do something that orders within the executive branch, that s what an executive order rightfully does. i did hundreds of them as a governor but i never legislated with them. i took an oath and i said it would uphold the constitution of the u.s. in the state of arkansas. i would love to have done some things without a 90% democrat legislature i had. it would ve been wonderful if i could ve said go home. i am going to do it with a phone and a pen. that s not how it works. is it hard to get things done? yes. but instead of being on vacation, these guys should have had their back in d.c. working through the night rather than pretending they are overwhelmed. eboni: it is so hard being an elected official. a lot of people giving president obama for the way he went about trying to protect the dreamers, this executive order. we know daca did not survive jessica: 12 lawsuits coming coming. where i think the issue is is the argument donald trump took this up because he wanted to make sure the dreamers got protected. that s not eight. hard-line immigration is his bread and butter with his base. he s up against that having health care, no tax reform bill. he is facing two hurricanes, making sure people are taken care of and he s going back to rally his base. jeff sessions was handpicked for this reason. this is his bread-and-butter topic. we were talking about the audio that came out of his interview two years ago with breitbart for he was praising the 1924 immigration law. i think when you say, and i understand i ve got to hand it to president trump and i know we are politically not aligned. i m glad to have these six months i hope we get a clean dream act. i don t think we will. the democrats will attach to everything they can. the real conversation should be where is the real immigration bill? refuge for these dreamers and looking at a plan forward dealing with 11 million and whoever else is coming in. eboni: way to exercise restraint, david webb. david: for all these people swing president trump, why don t base to the constitution because it s congress that makes the loss. back to the civics lesson neede needed. president trump did exactly what s right. obama said it himself. he repeated from all the way from 2009 through 2011 about the fact that he could not do this, and then he did it. he gave no protection to the dreamers. the democrats, with all due respect, jessica, have used a legal aliens as political ponds and political prostitutes when it comes to what they do with issues eboni: all right. david: they do. they don t pass laws. eboni: political prostitutes? kat: i think it s fine to have the argument that should ve been done by congress, not an executive order. i completely agree this would have been struck down by the supreme court anyway. congress needs to do something. congress they are still talking about it. just do it. this isn t even hard. these people didn t do anything wrong and they are beneficial to the economy. get it done. eboni: i have an idea as to why. when jessica talks about president trump s base and the hard-line immigration stance, that seems different than some of the traditional to me it looks different. the establishment republicans who seem to be in favor of some kind of daca. david: we enforce our laws the same way mexico enforces their laws on immigration. it s not hard-line. it s border security. eboni: no one is demonizing hard-line. jessica: i am, actually. david: daca as part of our national security and domestic security. kat: i don t think they are security risk. people who came here as children. david: if their parents don t get through a porous southern border. eboni: when we get back, shameless smear tactics over daca. stay with us. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early. or too late. or make me feel like i m not really there. talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. has gotten to know our business so well that is feels like he s a part of our team. with one phone call, he sets me up with tailored products and services. and when my advisor is focused on my tech, i can focus on my small business. a dell advisor can help you choose the right products with powerful intel® core™ processors. your bbut as you get older,ing. it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered. in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. this is a story about mail and packages. and it s also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they re handing us more than mail they re handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you you know, you missed a bunch of great guys today? 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i think the hysteria is hysterical, obviously. i think it s a mistake. i think it s a good sound bite, but i did see a number of articles talking about the number of people who would be affected. you know someone who was related to someone. they are on this program, parents, family members. these are kids who only know america. i think that s what they were trying to get out. kat: absolutely. what s your take? you are shaking your head. david: i am wondering how many hispanics in america have stockholm syndrome. there are many hispanic republicans. according to what we do showed, it s ridiculous. the hyperbole needs to go away. we have a real issue to deal with here. we have the demonization of an entire group of americans. white supremacists. do i qualify? i am not sure. i didn t bring my white hood today but this is ridiculous. sometimes i mock the left and the idiocy that goes on. i think we can all agree there is a serious issue about how we fix this in a pragmatic way. fix the other legs of the immigration issue to begin i take issue with that if we take them out of the economy, when you have so many millions of americans out of the workforce, the district in texas which has 26,000 people out of work, there are people there that need jobs and they will fill these jobs. kat: i am okay with mocking anybody who will not cover this issue honestly. however, i am not going to say, judge anyone who will be affected by this pricing byg upset. see part i want everyone to take a deep breath around it and let s put a lens on that lets us look at it in a way that would be solutions oriented. look at who is effected economically, from a personal level, what makes sense for the well-being of america. define what that looks like. then talk about the constitutional, make economic sense and get closer to something that feels like the respecting of laws and providing for these the long-term vested interest. this is a bad situation. how do we get out of it? kat: governor huckabee, why isn t congress doing something? mike: one of the things that does not contribute to a solution is when you hear people like tom brokaw who make a blanket accusation impugning the motives of every republican. this is counterproductive. it s one of the reasons things are so polarized. they are not getting solved it s because people are assuming that if you are a democrat, you are a demon. or if you are a republican, you are a demon. you can t resolve a problem if you don t think the other person is a decent human being and honorable enough to deal with. david: on the economic impact, states like new york gave benefits to daca participants. there is an economic impact. also in daca kat: there is the economic impact of deporting them. david: regulations, allows the secretary the discretion to give gang members in daca kat: i am anti-gang member. david: it is written that that the secretary can have discretion to give you a chance to stay here if you are a gang member. kat: i am against gang members. coming up, mike huckabee entered hostile territory today with the contentious appearance on the view along with his daughter sarah huckabee sanders. another day of work. why do you do it? 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he has empowered a lot of women. he s given my daughter an incredible amount of opportunity. anecdotal. the code know, the women he has hired in the white house and the private sector. eboni: hope you got a nice swag bag. mike: i did not give a gift bag. i actually like the women of the view. i ve been on that show many times. whoopi goldberg is lovely. i get along with joy who calls me her favorite republican. do i think they are left-wing and sometimes utterly irrational in their hatred toward donald trump? yes, but most of the people on the left are irrational in their disdain of donald trump. it s irrational. there is no logic, no thought to it. here s the thing they are forgetting. when the make the kind of comments they made today, it s not an insult to me. it doesn t bother me and it doesn t bother my daughter. i tell you hood bothers. it bothers 53 million americans who voted for donald trump, and these are people who in their bubble world of new york, washington or hollywood, are making it sound as if people who voted for donald trump are a bunch of stupid, uneducated hicks who have been taken for granted. i m going to tell you they are only elevating them. kat: what s ironic, how do you let your daughter defend this guy? she is an adult, actually. mike: she is 35 years old. she can make her own career decisions. eboni: those who voted for donald trump but i think women in general who have done everything who have done everything to educate ourselves, to choose, to elect to work in whatever capacity that s available, this is what your daughter has chosen to do. there ve been a handful of women to be elevated to that national press secretary. mike: she is the first working mom to ever do this ever. eboni: that is remarkable. same thing about kellyanne conway. it s phenomenal she s made history as the first woman to successfully put someone into the oval office. mike: why don t the feminists defend her? why don t they say we admire the fact that she is in a place of power and position rather than to say how dare you work for this man. eboni: i call myself a feminist probably and i complement your daughter every time he can because it s not that i agree with everything she says but she is doing a damn good job. david: the idea that she didn t do it and you had to give her permission. the suffragette movement, women s voting rights, the advancement of women in this country, the advancement of blacks, the first blacks in congress, were they? they were republicans. republicans have fought and won these battles. eboni: before reconstruction. david: women s rights, calvin coolidge, grace coolidge, susan b. anthony, all of these women and their affiliations. the republican party is a party that believes in the rights of the individual and the constitution is set up for people s rights all along. to be demonized that way is insulting period to those millions of americans around the country. jessica: there is a lot here. as the only lunatic liberal on the panel, i will start with the fact that i agree that phrasing the question that way, it undercuts your points. why would you let your daughter. i m not sure how many trump voters are watching the view. it s a liberal audience. what i would say, the most important argument that the host could have made is that working for donald trump and working for an administration that doesn t advocate for policies that help woman like raising the minimum wage, protecting the right to choose and helped her options, that s where i see the real issue. david: tax reform helps women. the economy helps women. jessica: there are a lot of women, millions who disagree with you and say yes, women s issues are human issues. but there are specific issues only to women. i don t see a lot of men walking around david: what has he done pets against women? what has he actually done? jessica: he put someone on the supreme court who would definitely overturn roe v. wade. not protecting obamacare is something that will hurt women. closing planned parenthood down will hurt women. david: what is factually correct jessica: i use facts. you say i don t and i do. eboni: not much to discuss today. we have to say goodbye. governor mike huckabee and jessica tarlov. thank you for joining us. stay with us. up next it s wait, what . once there was a little pig that had built his house out of straw. one day a big bad wolf huffed and he puffed and blew the house down. luckily the geico insurance agency had helped the pig with homeowners insurance. he had replacement cost coverage, so his house was rebuilt, good as new. the big bad wolf now has a job on a wind farm. call geico and see how easy it is to switch and save on homeowners insurance. put under a microscope, we could see all the bacteria that still exists. polident s unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. for a cleaner, fresher, super-cool notebooks, done. that s mom taking care of business. and with the 25 cent event , office depot officemax takes care of mom! now, all this just 25 cents each! taking care of business david: for our last segment, it s time for. wait, what. david: i will kick things off. first of all, it s great to be here. there is no wait, what when it comes to you too. how about the left going absolutely nuts with horror movies and tying a horror movie to donald trump? this is where we go back to the earlier segment of the hyperbole. we can get it on the news. we can get it in media. i say that without donald trump, a lot of them wouldn t have careers. kat: probably. it takes away the legitimacy of some of their arguments when you see them going crazy. david: he loves it. he loves a good joke. eboni: pop culture. kat: i would love to be the subject of a horror movie. i wanted to talk about dennis rodman s comments about kim jong un. he came out and said i basically hang out with him all the time. we laughed. we sing karaoke. we do cool things. we ride horses, hang out, go skiing. did you talk to them about this? david: i talked to dennis a couple hours ago and i wrote down notes. i wanted to make sure i got it right. dennis says he s trying to open things for sports. piers morgan took it out of context. the people in north korea don t hate americans. eboni: i m excited. i have a signing at my apartment this evening. go to prettypowerfulbook.com. you can talk to me. it s an online live signing. taking your questions. we will talk about the book, press secretaries, including sarah huckabee sanders. david: thanks, that s all the time we have today. we thank you for watching. make sure you follow us on social media at fncspecialists on twitter and facebook. remember, 5:00 will never be the same. special report is next. bret: this is a fox news alert. good evening. i am bret baier in washington. we are keeping our eye on the eye of the storm, hurricane irma tearing up puerto rico right now as it rips through the caribbean. parts of florida, already being attacked rated. president trump strikes a deal with democrats on harvey funding, the debt limit, government funding. to deal democrats are touting. right now the president is returning to washington after rallying his base in north dakota over tax reform. first up, a storm already called the strongest atlantic ocean hurricane ever recorded. correspondent phil keating is in miami-dade county. people getting ready and getting ou
[ inaudible ] again, we ve said that the allegations are concerning. and if true, he should step aside. but we don t have a way to validate that, and that s something for the people of alabama to decide, which we ve also said. and we maintain that. and ultimately it will come down to the people of alabama to make that decision. how can that vote in the senate be that important that you would take a gamble on somebody that s been accused of molesting kids, of harming someone who s underage? as i ve said that s something for the people of alabama to decide. we find the allegations very troubling. again, this is up to the people of alabama to make that decision. i m not a voter in alabama and can t make that decision. why endorse him, beside you re influencing the decision by endorsing him. and secondly are you saying that no matter who runs as a member of the gop, it s okay as long as you are in lock step with the president and vote like he wants? once again, i m not going to get into every person that could or could not run for office down the line. you said the president would want somebody in the senate who supports his agenda versus one who does not. i just want to clarify. is it the white house s position there formally here, that it is worse to have a democrat in that senate seat than somebody who is accused of sexually abusing a teen girl? that influencing question was really, really that was a good question there. but how was the answer to that question difficult? you don t support a candidate accused of sexual abuse and child molestation. i can t believe i actually have to say that. at the very least the president of the united states should decline to endorse a man who faces multiple accusations of inappropriate behavior with much, much younger women, young women. but the white house, their talking point on all of this, it s something for the people of alabama to decide. you heard sarah sanders say it over and over again. that is nothing but a cowardly dodge because the white house is they re stacking the deck here. the president has given his full unequivocal endorsement to roy moore. no doubt about that. and he has been crystal clear about his reason for doing it. the president tweeting this about roy moore s democratic opponent doug jones. putting pelosi, schumer liberal puppet doug jones would hurt our republican agenda of low on taxes, tough on crime, strong on military and borders and so much more. look at your 401ks since election. highest stock market ever. jobs are roaring back. there s a lot in all that tweet that is debatable there, but we ll get to that in the broadcast. but the stunning fact is that the president of the united states would rather have an accused child molester in the senate than a democrat. think about that. but not all republicans are following his lead. republican senator jeff flake today sending $100 check to democrat doug jones. flake tweeting a picture of the check with the message, country over party. not that much money, but a powerful message and one that the white house needs to hear. let s get to the broadcast now. i want to bring in my panel for tonight. good evening to all of you. so good to have you on. april, i m going to start with you. you were in the white house briefing room today, and the white house says it is up to the people of alabama but now you have the president weighing in on supporting an accused pedophile here. and the rnc is now supporting and funding his campaign again. yes, yeah. we are seeing something we have never seen before. the goal posts will forever be moved because of this. alabama holds the key for how elections in this trump era could look. you know, this president is known to not to want to lose. and this is not just this election. this goes into trying to create wins, legislative wins down the road. and roy moore would be someone who d stand right next to him. that s what s presumed. but right now it is it seems to be a win over these teenagers, teenagers, not young women. you said young women earlier. i m thinking of teenage girls, young teenage girls. you re right. kids. teenagers. we have to put it on the table for what it is and not be euphemistic, just be real with it. teenagers that the congressional leaders, the senate and house leader said at one time they had credible accusations and allegations against this candidate. teenagers. it s a lot. the goal posts are moved by this president when it comes the journalist in the back room, and i forget his name. but it was a very good question if you have questions and these allegations and accusations concern you, then don t put your finger on the scale. then don t influence the election by saying, well, he has our full support. david, steve bannon out campaigning for roy moore tonight. watch this. this election s going to boil down to something very simple. do you support the program of donald j. trump that judge moore supports? or do the good folks in alabama support the program of hillary clinton already rejected on november 8th, 2016 that doug jones represents? it s very simple. it s an open it s an up or down vote, an open and closed case. when you take away, everything else, the last couple weeks have been tough weeks for some people. right? haven t been tough weeks for me. i made my decision. a while ago. i made my decision to stay with donald trump. a couple things here. bannon is still making this about hillary clinton. and then he compares how he is standing by moore just like he has stood by president trump. i mean bannon is the guy with trump, and trump still follows him? i think so. and bannon at a minimum, don, is energized. he spoke today i was at an event today in washington, d.c. where bannon spoke black americans for a better future. it s a black republican, black small business owner event. he gave a speech there and by this evening he s already in alabama giving a different version of a similar speech. he s all in on this idea he s leading this charge now outside the white house against the republican establishment and he s relishing it. the problem, though, in the case of roy moore and alabama, he s doing his campaign against establishment republicans and more broadly against both parties in congress at the expense, as april just pointed out, of supporting someone who s alleged to be a serial dater of teenagers. and that at the same time he s trying to, you know, up end the republican party, he s also dragging the republican party down into the this gutter with him. and, you know, the white house is right. it is up to alabama voters. but if alabama voters fail this basic test of citizenship, it will have repercussions beyond next tuesday. you re being kind with a serial dater. because there was one woman who said she was 14 at the time and he went beyond yes, to be clear he s accused of at least one crime in one instance. but many accusers against roy moore. remember he didn t support roy moore in the beginning. i mean this all about politics. so let s not get all bent out of shape about it. it s really about politics. it s outrageous considering the accusations but morals, too, don. that s what i m saying if you let me finish. it s outrageous considering the accusations against moore. but at the end of the day it all boils down to politics. if you look at the poll it shows president trump s approval rating is at 35%. the strategy is not about growing the number of people supporting him, it s about keeping his base solid in his corner, i would imagine, keeping them happy. yeah, i talked to some pollsters, and it s head scratching because that base is going to be with trump no matter what. they love this guy. and the pollsters say really he should try to at least build it, build it up to at least 40, bast 50. because your legislative agenda you can get through. but if you re in the 30s members of your own party can take shots at you. i think that base is going to be with him. sometimes you do want to appease your base, but he s got to get those numbers up, because those numbers, don, they really scare republicans on capitol hill a year away from the mid-term election. before i get back to a new policy here, i just want to go back to david. david, i have to say it s been talked about the bubbles that people live in. and i was watching a report on happened to be on another network, and it showed the folks down in alabama and the roy moore supporters. and the people turned to me and said didn t you used to live in birmingham, and i said, yes. and they said is this actually real? is that real or is that i can t believe these people are saying what they re saying about him and sort of how they re twisting the logic to support him. and it s real. it is a bubble. and christians are supporting him, and they re saying he s the best when it comes to abortion. but it doesn t matter where there are accusations of child molestation. it s really odd. it is odd. and it s worth saying moore is not charged with a crime right now and he s innocent until proven guilty or charged with a crime. but if you read the reporting by my the washington post colleagues, a reasonable person looks at that and says, look, you re taking a real risk by putting this guy in office. even if you don t like democrats, even if you have some doubts and yet i think we are at such a place so many people have said it, but it s true. such a place of partisanship, don, you have a lot of voters in alabama, and i looked at the politics average before coming on and it s about 48 to 46, neck and neck almost. hard to tell who will win. people are so polarized that they want to vote for their guy and twist themselves into knots to say it s okay to vote for my guy. i would imagine the white house is doing this where and the president s doing this, and he probably has some internal polling that shows that roy moore is most likely to be the winner in this race. we shall see. i think that s why they re going this far and the republicans as well, the establishment. april, i want to talk about israel and jerusalem. according to a senior administration official, we are learning to tonight the president will recognize jerusalem as the capitol of israel tomorrow and direct the state department to begin the process of moving the u.s. embassy from tel aviv despite allies say thing is a really bad idea. why is he doing this now? why poke the hornet s nest? is this about his base as well? it s fulfilling a campaign promise. and they re also saying the white house is saying that this is reality, and they re just supporting reality. it comes at a time when it s questionable because there s already so much going on around the world. and then with this move, you know, you ve got the palestinians that they re talking about having days of rage over this. there s threats to u.s. embassies around the world. all because you have two countries who are claiming jerusalem. the move from tel aviv to jerusalem is major. and the president is saying it s not going to happen in months. it could take years, but for him to make this statement it is pushing the ball in a way that rewards israel, and the palestinians are going to look at this as a problem unless they get something to appease them. and it doesn t look like right now there s something to appease the palestinians on the table. the president wants to fulfill a campaign promise. and we ve got to wait and see what happens, but it looks like the fall out is already happening. that s all we have time for. thank you all. see you next time. coming up, highly anticipated testimony in the russia investigation. donald trump, jr. set to answer questions tomorrow from the house intelligence committee about his contacts with russians. when we come back i m going to ask a member of that committee what questions he has for the president s son. i m an outdoorsman. so i ve asked chase sapphire reserve cardmembers to find my next vacation. chile, what s going on? 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well, because the president had kept flynn onboard for so long. the question is if you knew he lied to the fbi, why did you keep him on your staff? that s a really good question. and then also, of course, it doesn t look so good in light of what director comey told congress, which i think it was february 14th, the president cleared the room. again, the action of clearing the room and asking pence and priebus and others to leave so he could have a one-on-one conversation with comey, also shows an intent to conseal, you know, his actions. the white house spokesperson sarah sanders today was asked if the president s considering pardoning general flynn, the president s former national security advisor. and here is her answer. watch this. yesterday the president said he felt very badly for general flynn. would he consider pardoning him? i m not aware that has come up or any process or decision on that front. so you haven t talked to him about it? no, i haven t asked the president whether or not he would do that. i think before we start discussing the pardons for individuals we should see, you know, what happens in specific cases. is it fair to say it s on the table? no, i just said i haven t had the conversation with him because i don t feel it s necessary until you get further down the road and determine whether or not that s something needed. okay, senators from the president s own party have warned against pardoning flynn, warned about doing it. but that wasn t a no, was it? no, he s shown a willingness to pardon individuals in cases before it s complete, like sheriff arpaio. and so, you know, hopefully he ll just allow this investigation to complete itself and then, you know, make decisions from there. i don t have high hopes for that because he s done anything but that. but i don t believe his pardon power is completely absolute. i want to get this in before we go. donald trump, jr. set to testify before you committee tomorrow, what are you going to ask him? i can t confirm he s testifying, but he s a relevant party for us to interview. we want to know about the june 9th meeting, the clinton/russia confidential. want to know about his relationship with wikileaks. he was communicating with them. the intelligence community assessed they worked with the russians. we want to know about the financial transactions of the family. also donald trump was seeking to build a trump to youer in moscow during the primary campaign and donald trump, jr. was the executive. of course, don, these could be just a thousand coincidences, right? 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well, i was laughing because i was made that explanation myself in the past. and look, for your viewers, i worked against the trump team or on the cruz team in the primary. and chaos reigned in their camp. and frankly the chaos theory worked for them in the campaign. and when they picked reince priebus as chief of staff, that chaos continued right into the white house. i mean general kelly was a good pick in the sense he s starting to bring order to that. there is an awful lot that went in not just in the transition but way, way into this first year of the trump white house that was truly chaotic. and that is not a predictable or well-managed way to govern. whether it relates to this issue or any other. as it relates to vice president pence, i can t think of anywhere that the vice president has been willing to sort of shoot from the lip in the way the president does on twitter a lot and so forth he s been awful quiet lately. not just lately, but he has preserved, i think, his reputation for honesty and accuracy on his own part as much as a vice president can because he doesn t drive the train. but the folks around him didn t help him. no, i agree completely with you. in this situation to the point earlier made, the interesting period here is january 15th to february 13th. i would find it very surprising for the vice president as opposed to say the president if he went on national television and said something like that that he knew to be false. that would be very shocking to me. laura, i m interested in hearing what you have to say about this next thing. i don t want if you want to weigh in on the other thing, but this is what i ve been wanting to ask about. the president s lawyer has been arguing that the president is not able to obstruct justice. the exact opposite view was once argued by another senior lawyer working with trump, attorney general jeff sessions. i want you to take a listen. this was him talking about president clinton. this was 1999. let s play it. i am concerned about a president under oath being alleged to have committed perjury. i hope he can rebut that and prove that did not happen. if he can show he did not commit obstruction of justice and he can complete his term. but there are serious allegations that that occurred. and in america, in supreme court tanld american people believe no one is above the law. and the president has gotten himself into this fix that is very serious. i intend to give him an absolutely fair trial. i mean, listen, there s a tweet and a sound bite for everything. and that one s back from the tv time machine from 1999. so is sessions right, presidents can obstruct justice? yes, the president can obstruct justice and he s not above the law. and any notion to the contrary is absolutely ludicrous. and it s not legally persuasive at all and here s why. people talk about article ii and the president of the united states being able to enforce the laws of the land. but that presumes he has followed the laws of the land and that he himself cannot be above them. imagine if you will, an instance where the president of the united states commits an offense or violation particularly heinous, are we going to say the president cannot break a law? the distinction is whether he can be indicted as a sitting president or referred to impeachment or eventually indicted. but not whether he could commit an offense. on the first issue about mike pence, i find it extremely shocking to believe that there is somebody like mike pence who is the most seasoned of all the political operatives surrounding the orbit of donald trump, he is not engaging in a perverse version of don t ask, don t tell me anything so i can maintain my credibility in front of a criminal probe or public opinion, at the expense of my own credibility as somebody who doesn t know anything. but i can reasonably say i ve got plausible deniability here. i have no idea what s going on, so you cannot hold me accountable in any law that requires my knowledge or my intent. that s as legally absurd to me as with the president of the united states being somehow immune from the obligations that everyone else is. he certainly has some privileges, and it is good to be the king. but you can still obstruct even if you are. as you were saying that, and i was writing plausible deniability on my little blue card here. what does that say the trump administration is using this argument in the first place? i completely agree with laura regarding some sort of the questions of legality. as a strategic matter, it is sort of interesting, right? we ve seen this shift before. going from asserting there is no collusion, no coordination. and then moving into collusion wasn t a crime. and now we re seeing once again this sort of subtle step from the president did not obstruct justice as a factual matter and then moving into, well, the president can t obstruct justice as a legal matter. so i think once again they re moving the goal posts here. this administration tends to shed a light on the areas they re most insecure about, the most concerned about. so i do think that is a significant alteration in the president s strategy and one that now his own white house lawyers are really trying to wash back. that last one is called projection. so, ken, let s talk about obstruction of justice being the president can obstruct justice. but you said being convicted i saw you nodding your head. being convicted is an entirely different thing. i think laura made the distinction that really is up in the air, is whether or not a president can be indicted while they re the president for federal charges versus impeachment, which is always available as a constitutional matter, and i think is the expected course. i also think that in some of the discussion this could get sliced more finely. so let me use some real world examples yeah, do that. yeah, the firing of jim comey an executive act, not specifically case related per se is going to be a lot harder to make any sort of case for obstruction of justice with president trump than the kind of example you showed jeff sessions using, where you have a specific case where the president is a participant in the violation of the law. lied under oath. and i just picked that one because you played a clip on it. i m sure i could come up with a thousand other examples. but when you leave the management role of the president, the chief executive of the federal government, where i think it s much harder to make a legitimate case under the constitution for obstruction of justice down to a participating person in what we be alleged to be a criminal act, those are two different analyses, and i have not heard that distinction made in a lot of the discussion. there are other people standing by in other studios and they need to get on and have their say. thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come back, the white house calling the allegations of sexual impropriety against roy moore troubling but not too troubling as the president throws his endorsement behind him. other republicans changing their tune, falling in line, as well. is the gop putting party over principle? 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what happened? donald trump told them what to do. look, i don t think the rnc has a spine, a backbone, let alone a moral compass. and that is problematic for republicans all across the country who believe in good conservative values. so this is just actually very concerning, and i m just disappointed but not surprised. because this is the same republican party that embraced and help elect donald trump. and moore is he s accused of some really terrible things. what message is the gop sending by supporting him? well, you know, i was a member of the rnc for a couple years from 2013 to 15. and i want to tell simone i agree with her. i really think that the rnc not only showed poor judgment but showed me consistency. for those like people like me, don, i ve been on your show for five or six weeks, the accusers deserve to pea heard, respected and so should roy moore. and i recognize, most people do, when you come down a stretch of a campaign, you at least have to say it looks like a political argument. and here s what america is all about, don no, no, no, because you still didn t answer my question. listen, when you guys come on, i don t care if you re a republican or democrat, i just want to answer the damn question. i m asking for the american people and they don t want the spin all the time. people are sick of that. my question was what message is the gop sending by supporting someone who s accused of such horrible things? it s very simple question. the simple answer is this, don, america is a place where we don t run people off based on accusations and outcry and the media. we allow a process that lets the truth come out. the accusers should be recognized but so should roy moore and his long career. that s the message. it s not an accusation the accusation and the outcry is not from the media. [ overlapping speakers ] the media is reporting. that is talking point for you. what kind of message i m going to say it again. what kind of message is the gop sending by endorsing someone who is accused of such terrible behavior? did you understand that? yes. the message they re sending is that america is great because we don t run people out of town on accusations. we allow people to be a part of a process, and we re going to see how that plays out. the message is that pedophiles let anna get in. you first asked simone what has changed in the last three weeks. the answer is practically nothing. three weeks ago republicans were voicing great were very vocal in denouncing roy moore and distancing themselves from roy moore. the only thing that has changed in the last three weeks is that more women have come out. in fact another one came out today in florida who had a card when she was a teenager that he signed to her. more women have come out in the last three weeks. another thing that has changed is that the accusations are now three weeks old as opposed to being 24 hours old. since it s cooled down an older story now, i guess they feel it s a little less toxic. as far as the message the republican party is sending, it s they re a bunch of hypocrites, who say one thing three weeks ago and when nothing changes, changes their tune i said the same thing they re not the party of lincoln. they re the party of roy moore and grand ole pedophiles, that s what they are. grand ole perverts who are willing to compromise morals and decency for more votes. that s the message they re sending. and you re saying the due process and we can t run people out of town. well, we sure as hell ran harvey weinstein and al franken out of town. they admitted. hold on, hold on. i ve got to get to a break. we ll be right back. how s it going down there? that s good. lica misses you. i m over it though. 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how about the trump name? he helped elect a guy who did behind bone spurs while he was playing tennis and golf the entire time. didn t serve one day. has not done a thing as far as service to this country. and steve bannon has the gall to stand on the stage and question mitt romney, after donald trump offended j eed john mccain. offended p.o.w.s and had bone spurs. maybe that s why he puts his foot in his mouth. i don t know if anna is done with her show. she is a romney, mccain, huntsman fan. what bannon is saying, is roy moore versus a democrat. it s a battle, don. in the republican party, it s my team. the people that believe in americans and america first, against ana s elite world view. that s world view she s losing and mad about it. if i may. hold on, everyone. what is and you re calling me elitist? hold on. what is more elite than three deferments for bone spurs. can i abc? yes. the party that anna wanted, wanted to have globalist policies to continue. that s the elite view of the republican party. bannon is helping roy moore, who won against that wing of the party. when romney weighs in on a tweet, he can do things. he weighed in with a tweet. this battle is not about roy moore and doug jones. this is about steve bannon, trying to be lex luther. this is about beating the establishment. it s not about beating doug jones. simone. i got to get to the break. right out of the break, you will get to respond. i didn t mean to give you short shift. thank you. give a little bit give a little bit. -hello. give a little bit. . of your love to me oh, haha. there s so much that we need to share so send a smile and show that you care i ll give a little bit of my love to you if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,. .isn t it time to let the real you shine through? 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