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0 ahead of that messaging before the science had before that regulators were on the same page with them. >> john: , and on the immigration front, the mayor of del rio, texas, is on the extraordinary pictures. they declared a state of emergency in his town. thanks for being with us on this friday >> martha: thanks, john and jacqui. a lot of breaking news. i'm martha maccallum in new york. any moment now, there you can see the podium is set up at the pentagon. a huge development breaking right now as we are told that officials are about to announce that no isis-k fighters were killed in the augu...

Process. overall, andrea, defense officials are not disputing the defense and they are questioning the way they are being characterized and in some cases being overly dramatized and how they are being recounted in the book. >> michael mcfall, you worked both as an ambassador and at the nsc, obviously in russia and more broadly. so you could very well that interagency process in the obama team and you saw the way now president biden reacted in 2009 when he was the odd man out in the whole debate in 2009 over the surge in afghanistan and was criticized very much by former defense secretary bob g...

The spread, or at least slowing it? >> yes. i don't know at which point -- it almost becomes how much evidence do you need or how many times do you have to prove the same thing? there have been so many school districts now that have been masked versus those that have been not masked. and you can compare those sort of as control groups. they're not perfect randomized trials, but i think it's very clear now, and the cdc has come out and said masks work and there's no sort of down side to them. what i think is interesting, if you look overall at these now modeling studies going forward and say, o...

Mandates in oklahoma. the feds are telling them to do something out of the regular order. after all, this new requirement wasn't debated and passed by congress. >> the president of the united states cannot just make a law out of thin air and tell businesses that they have to require every individual that works in the business to get a vaccine. he doesn't have that authority. he has to go through congress i'm not even sure if congress with order it. this is unprecedented for a president of the united states to sit there and make up a law about our health. >> this is a fight the president of the...

Should be left to its own devices by in large. the calculation of the president, though, is probably that this is going to be politically popular for him. if you look at the polling, people do want their coworkers vaccinated. that is a majority of americans feel that way. there is a down side, however. we have a labor shortage in this country, paul. and to the extent that these vaccine mandates keep people out of the workforce, it is only going to exacerbate that worker shortage. >> paul: yeah. alicia, you look at this, the vaccines very closely, and you've followed covid closely, was this nec...