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which i imagine mueller i imagine he disclosed it to rosenstein when he appointed him. it would involve something that actually wasn t settled even to this day. what s the conflict in. i have a good idea what it is. it s one that would have kept me out the investigation. all cleared up? add to that this. giuliani is not sure that collusion with russia that collusion with russia, if it happened, is a crime anyway. is this the definition now of moving the goalposts? regardless of goalpost moving, why then is the president spending so much time and at every turn will say that no collusion happened with russia if it s now not a big deal and not a problem? again, all cleared up? as far as michael cohen, the president s attorney says cohen doctored the tapes of his conversations with the president, says their experts agree. now what? abby phillip is at the white house. i would not fault anyone if their head was spinning today
the payment to an alleged mistress, it s not about that. it s about cohen s credibility as a potential witness in this case. president trump got in on this over the weekend tweeting or in some cases subtweeting michael cohen by retweeting an old tweet of michael cohen in which he praised donald trump junior s explanation for the trump tower meeting and asks, will the fake news media ever report on this? we did report on it at the time. it goes to show, so much has changed in the president s relationship with michael cohen and vice versa. they are really at odds with each other. not in any way going to reconcile with each other, it seems, based on what we re seeing right now. but wait until tomorrow or maybe just within this hour. great to see you. thank you so much. joining me right now, former fbi special agent asharina opa
and mark preston. mark, can you try this on for size today? you have a conflict that renders you incapable of doing your job. i m not going to spell out what it is and it s up to you to explain yourself, what your conflict is and why it renders you incapable of doing your job. what is this? what world are we living in? are we living in the current state of play right now? listen, you know what s happening? it s so confusing. there s so many facts out there. there s so much misinformation. what we are seeing i believe seems from the trump campaign, from the trump lawyers, from rudy giuliani is what they are trying do trying to do is create chaos. they are sowing seeds of doubt. this is very dangerous, creating all this white noise is basically lying. it s impeding an investigation even if it s not legally impeding an investigation.
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could be prosecuted on their own. i can tell you that somebody people who do that would never in the real world get a security clearance and have access to all of the nation s secrets and be entrusted with stewarding the country. focus only on the criminal aspect, i think also misses the forest for the trees. i also i guess, what should anyone take from this comment from giuliani? we all at least can try to remember, since it s been a winding road, where this began which is everyone saying there s no collusion, there s no collusion, there s no collusion. then very memorably kellyanne conway coming along visual aids to make this point where collusion was extremely important. just watch this to remember. in case you run out of time, this is how i see it so far. this to help all the people at home. what s the conclusion? collusion, no. we don t have that yet.
i see illusion and delusion. i mean, who knows? i think mark is right, there is this, i think, goal of the trump team to really confuse everything. there seems to be preparing supporters to say, well, listen, even if collusion has come up, then what s wrong with that? what s wrong if donald trump knew about that meeting? what s wrong if donald trump junior was willing to get information from the russians to help out his father s campaign? you even heard folks say that. they seem to be preparing the groundwork for something at this point, but also who really knows at this point? you have giuliani in a real spin mode at this point and really worried about what cohen knows, what cohen has released.
he has in a defensive and offensive crouch in a way we hadn t seen him before when he had all of the territory out there, all of the oxygen and cohen wasn t really speaking. this is, who knows where this will go? it s a long and winding road. they re throwing out a lot of distractions. ultimately, mueller at some point will release a report, maybe in september, maybe a little later. who knows? at this point, we re just having to see giuliani spin and donald trump really trying to keep a hold on his supporters. at the same time, it seems folks are worried but not worried that s within the same conversation is what you hear from the president s team. mark, on my michael cohen, giuliani started first suggesting that the tapes could have been doctored, over the weekend, could have been doctored. so should be discredited. he thinks the verdict is in on it. listen to his interview. by the way, he didn t put out
the first part of that tape. i had to go find the first part of the tape. he cut off the last part of the tape with trump, which our expert says is doctored. i think it s unlikely he turned it off during the conversation, so does the expert. think about it. if i were recording your conversation and trump didn t know it, i would have to put it off at the right time, unlikely. more likely is, he came back home, he erased the portion that he wanted erased and then he tried to tape record a conversation it appears with don junior. then he erased that. is this now just how far down the rabbit hole are we? did anybody have any trouble following that? for a little while i was like, where is he going? he pulled it back together. we are so far down the rabbit hole right now. i agree, we all agree that they should have audiologists, folks who can come out there, audio experts that can tell us what the tape is.
anything they are trying to get to. it may not even be something that they want or need at this point. we will wait and see. until tomorrow, friends. thanks. coming up for us, the president threatens a government shutdown over funding for the border wall. top republicans in congress are not on the same page with this. where is this headed? more details on that coming up. a heartbreaking tragedy in california where growing wildfires have killed at least six people and one man is speaking out after losing his wife and two great-grandchildren to these flames. that s next. emily said, i love you grandpa. grandma says, i love you. junior says, i love you. come and get us. come and get us. i said, i m on my way. i said, keep him talking until he died. i tried to call him back. it went to nothing. you always pay your insurance on time.
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he said, come and get us. emily said, i love you grandpa. grandma said, i love you grandpa. junior says, i love you, come and get us. i said, i m on my way. i said, he talked until he died. i tried to call back and it went to nothing. poor babies and my wife. what did i do wrong with life? wonderful people. my wife was the greatest woman in the world. my grandkids was excellent. reporter: he is feeling a tremendous sense of guilt over what happened. i should point out that he says that he never received any word that he should evacuate. that just goes to show you how fast this fire really took over some of the communities. let me point out where i am right now. this is the redding estates
subdivision. much of the neighborhood looks like this. so much devastation in the community. you are talking about nearly 900 structures that have gone up in flames, more than 700 of them are homes. it looks like a bomb went off behind you. that story dan, thank you so much for bringing that to us. my heart breaks for that poor man. let s talk about what others are dealing with right now with this fire, like that poor man, where the fire is headed and what folks are doing about it. chad myers is in the weather center. that is tough to handle, what that poor man is going through. a lot of families are facing this very same thing, which is, it s moving fast, it s big. give us perspective how big this fire is at this point. we talk about acres and no one can put their mind on what that means. we are talking 154 square miles. ten miles long, 15 miles wide right there through the western side of redding.
it s the wild land urban interface on the west side that did catch fire. it s always the most dangerous. you put really nice houses into the prettiest places because there s trees. when the trees catch on fire, you are right in the middle of it. to put it in perspective, seven times the size of manhattan. half the size of all the boroughs put together. a lot of smoke out there as well right now, choking smoke, unhealthy to breathe. advisories have been posted. temperatures in the triple digits again. that s not unusual. the normal high is 100. it will be 104, 105. gusty winds because the air is rising so fast, because the ground is so hot, because that fire the fire makes a low pressure center where it is. the air rises and other air has to rush in. that s how it turns into the blast furnace. no relief in sight.
the next chance of rain is statistically happening on tuesday of next week, because of this big ridge of high pressure. no help from mother nature at all. that s a punch in the gut for everyone out there battling those flames. i appreciate it, chad. we will watch this very closely. california deals with wildfires but this one is brutal. coming up, will there be another government shutdown? is the country phasing a government shutdown now over the border wall? president trump seems to say he would be okay with that. top republicans though not so much. that s next. there s a lot to love about medicare.
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you are not worried about a government shutdown? that s not going to happen. i don t like playing shutdown politics. we re going to make sure we keep the government open but we re going to get better policies on immigration. all of them saying we hope that s what s going to happen. david, how real is this? another government shutdown. at the end of the day, i don t think this would be a goal anyone wants to achieve. the president clearly not republicans on the hill as you are suggesting. i think it s a little less important about how real it is than what is real is just the threat of it is going to impact the dynamics. now speaker ryan and mitch mcconnell who thought they had the president in a good place and understood this would not benefit the party politically, now have to deal with wrangling the votes in the shadow of a shutdown showdown threat because
the president sees leverage in just to get money or distract from other woes. you know this president and have observed him. any time he thinks he has leverage, he is not likely to give that up easily. is this fight is this a fight the president really wants? it s very clear that no majority in congress wants a government shutdown. it ends up landing on them. that s how it goes. i can t imagine there s a political adviser anywhere that says to president trump, you know what would be a good idea heading into the midterms, let s actually shut down the government. that s a great idea. i don t think that is an actual strategy, which is why i don t think the president seriously wants that outcome here. i do think there are a lot of people in the president s orbit and the president believe the greatest danger to the republican majority is complacency among the core base supporters in the party. i do think the president sees
some value in having an all out fight over wall funding as a way to generate enthusiasm in the base. the reality right now is that the house is out for the next five weeks. when we talk about actual action here, wait and see. talk to me about the state of play where cnn is forecasting key house races. i m finding this workup fascinating. those 27 tossup races are making democrats happen because 25 are in republican held seats. this is all offensive turf for the democrats. the other reason democrats see a lot to celebrate in those particular tossup races is 11 of them are in districts that hillary clinton won in 2016. it is favorable turf. there s no doubt the battle landscape is favorable turf for democrats. you had mentioned 27 tossups.
remember in our ratings, we have 11 republican held seats that are already less competitive than tossup. they are either in lean or likely democratic territory. they are almost halfway there, the democrats, to the 23 seats they need to become the majority party. i know you heard it but i want to play for our viewers what the president said on friday in terms of what his role would be coming up. the economy is the strongest ever. i think that s going to have a positive impact. i am going to work very hard. i will go six or seven days a week when we re 60 days out and i will be campaigning for all of these great people that do have a difficult race. we think we re going to bring them over the line. six or seven days hitting the trail of 60 days out. what s that going to look like? what does it mean for the balance in some of the races? we know the president loves the campaign trail. he gets feedback from people that show up to the rallies.
he is eager to get out there. my question is, show me the map, show me the districts he is going to campaign in. in terms of the house, a lot of the districts that we were talking about that hillary clinton won, the republicans hold them, we are talking about independent vo penependent vote trump s base, that may make the difference. we have to watch carefully where he will spend those six or seven days a week on the trail. yeah. who will stand on the stage with him. great to see you. thank you so much. coming up for us, is the tsa watching you? maybe. previously undisclosed program come to light. federal air marshals tracking american citizens even when they are not suspected of any crime. what s going on? we have the details next.
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they say for that reason, they don t advertise these sort of programs. that s why we re actually just learning about it now. we do know more details. after speaking with tsa this weekend, we know for the past eight years, ordinary americans, passengers on flights, with no obvious ties to terrorism, have been tracked by the agency. tsa won t die eventuv divulge dt works. cnn confirmed that passengers are selected based on past travel patterns, whether someone traveled to a terror hot spot. the agency relies on information from the intel community. once the agency selects who they are going to track, an undercover air marshal is dispatched to the flight that you are on and is strategically placed in a seat where they can observe your every move, all your behavior during the flight. they are looking for things. are you abnormally aware of your surroundings? excessive fidgeting?
they are looking at people sleeping. many people guilty of that, including myself. tsa faced a lot of questions following the news that this progr program exists. there is no intention to surveil ordinary americans. its purpose is to ensure passengers and flight crew are protected during air travel, no different than putting a police officer on a beat or intelligence and information presents a need for increased watch. as you know, this all raises a couple of concerns. privacy, of course. then i spoke with several air marshals who say, we are now focusing on passengers with no obvious ties to terrorism. they feel, some of them feel that this distracts them from their core mission of protecting the cockpit. we just don t know how successful the program has been because tsa won t say whether it s actually helped them foil any potential plot.
that s interesting. thank you so much. joining me to discuss this further is mary schiavo. she s a former inspector general for the department of transportation. good to see you. thank you. from what we heard there s a lot of detail that s not provided. from what we heard, do you think this is an effective strategy to screen for dangerous people because of some of the things they are pointing out? most of the data that show us what s really effective in thwarts attacks have come out of studies focusing on israeli security. this is part of a multi-layered security program, a multi-layered security program that s required by the international civil aviation organization so we can fly into each other s airports. it has been shown that this observational addition to security or behavioral pattern
observance is effective when done by trained personnel. yes, it s been shown to be effective. tsa spokesman in the statement, one part of it i wanted to ask you about. what these air marshals is doing than no different than a cop working a beat. looking for suspicious behavior in the community that they work in, gathering intelligence, watching people for suspicious behavior. do they have a point? actually, they do. air marshals are cops on the beat. they are united states 1811 law enforcement agents. they have badges. they are performing a law enforcement function. who are they going to watch? people have to remember that an aircraft and airport, the areas outside the airport are public areas. what you do in a public place is subject to observation. there s nothing illegal by watching people. i m talking about watching.
when you enter the airport, you are probably on camera between 10 and 20 type times in the ai. on the airplane, that s a public place. it s a public place. you can be watched. what do you say to the aclu and others who say this is this is too far. it takes marshals away from their core mission. it s an invasion of privacy for folks not on any no fly list or watch list. they have a partial point. in some ways it s a compromise the way the united states does it. israel makes no bones about it. they say that 88% of the terrorists are muslim and 87% are male and that s who they are watching. in the united states, we focus on bow hafehavior than racial profiling. if you look at behavior, technically under the law, they can do it. that s why they are looking at behavior. any time anyone talks about rapid blinking or eye movement, i find myself blinking quite a bit more.
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same tough posture on some key issues as the president mentioned there, immigration. what should folks expect from the two leaders today? joining me caitlyn collins is here and samantha vinaigrette is here as well. what are you hearing about this friendship between these two leaders? that s a good way to put it. president trump has seemed to welcome him. he is inviting him to the white house. the president says she got to know each other at the nato summit. they spoke for an hour and a half. which is interesting because that was a summit largely where the president was at odds with a lot of the leaders in the european union. the president was developing a relationship with him saying they agree on immigration, something that the italian prime minister is at odds with a lot of european leaders on. immigration as well as trade and tariffs and those issues as well. the president is welcoming him here today to discuss all of those things as well a slew of other issues. it does seem this is one leader in europe the president has the
potential to have a good relationship with, even though he has a lower profile. the president does seem to be striving to have a good relationship with him because they agree on those key issues that are very important to president trump like immigration. that seems to be where they are going forward with this. they will take questions at a press conference later today where they will likely discuss what was it was that happened between the two of them. before we get there, sam, immigration, one area where they see eye to eye. also, his desire to have a closer relationship or a warmer relationship with russia as well. why would italy want a better a closer relationship with russia? why does that why is that important to president trump? why would that be important? conte has wanted a closer relationship with russia. there was threats they would
veto the sanctions against russia. they didn t. italy did not veto those sanctions. they went forward. it s important to remember that conte is a moderate within his coalition. the two parties that s right part of his coalition are they re very far right. they have actually signed direct agreements with russia to work together in various ways. his deputy prime minister says he wants to visit russia to forge closer business ties. conte has politics back home, and we may hear him take a tough stance against russia during this press briefing, and it remains to be seen whether the president will echo it. who will be tougher or less let s do the double negative thing. who will be less tougher? who will be the least toughest on russia? i know where my bet it. cnn is in the pool once again today. this will be the first oval office event before they take
questions. the first oval office with a foreign leader since the incident that you faced last week. you asked a question of the president, then after that you were told you couldn t cover the event afterward because they didn t like what you asked. what happens today, kaitlan? reporter: we expect it to be business as usual. reporters will go in the room at the beginning of that meeting with the italian prime minister. we do expect them to ask questions, as we do at every opportunity that we have with president trump. he s often eager to answer those questions, and he clearly, as you could see from his twitter this weekend, had a lot on his mind that he wanted to talk about. we often see that reflected during those pool sprays at the top where a few reporters are allowed in the room. now, i should note that the president has not taken any reporters questions since that incident last week. he went and spent the weekend at his golf course in bedminster, new jersey, but there will be several opportunities to hear from the president today, including that meeting there but also at that press conference where the president and the prime minister are expected to take two questions each from american and from the italian
press. so we should likely hear from president trump on several occasions today, kate, and there will be lots of questions for the president. as there always are, as there always should be. sam, while the president likes the prime minister, italy is also one of the countries who hasn t met that 2% standard when it comes to nato, which feels like a hundred years ago that we ve talked so much about this. so i do wonder which donald trump is going to show up when it comes to this issue that s very important to him. i have a feeling that he s going to turn his ire on the eu rather than on italy and its nato obligations because both italy and the united states have been critical of the european union in terms of fiscal p policies, immigration policies and have pointed at merkel and macron. i think trump will probably support the prime minister today and instead look at eu and more burden sharing that could be done from them. let s see. great to see you both. thank you so much.
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plane, still no closure for the families, and still no explanation of really what went wrong, but today there is a possible new clue about what was happening on that flight, on malaysia airlines flight 370 four years ago. a new report about what happened when that plane made that mysterious turn back toward kuala lumpur as it was making its way to beijing. joining me from hong kong is cnn s will ripley. it s amazing how long it has been and still so few answers from when you and i were over there. basically nothing new since you and i were over there, but this new report saying the plane was under manual control. what are you hearing about this? yeah, it s been 1,606 days since the plane disappeared and we were on the ground. we were next to those families in such agony, desperately wanting some sort of answer from the government. well, now they have this. 495 pages full of facts and zero answers. but what the report does say is they do believe that somebody was at the controls, turning the plane around on that kind of
drastic u-turn that sent it on that presumed course towards the southern indian ocean. but investigators have no idea who it was. was it the captain who was under so much suspicion in the early days who had that flight simulator with a programmed path to the indian ocean, which investigators say doesn t really say anything? they didn t find any intent in his personal life or for the first officer or for anybody else. 12 crew members, 237 passengers. they think at some point the plane was under manual control. was it because of some emergency? it was a more sinister criminal act? more than 230,000 square kilometers have been searched. they have found nothing in the search. 27 pieces of debris have washed up along africa s east coast. three of them have been confirmed to be definitively from mh-370, pieces of the wing. but they haven t found the plane. they haven t found those 237 people. and for family members once again waking up and going to bed not knowing what happened. and will, quite honestly, this is basically the undefinitive definitive answer.

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a lot of things. thanks, appreciate the reporting. i m joined by caroline. let s get to the conflict issue and what the president wrote over the weekend. is robert mueller ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to prtd tr president trump. what he was talking about with this alleged conflict of interest and white house wouldn t tell cnn either when they asked this question. you think you know what it s about and has merit. there are three things we know that president trump himself stated, there s this lingering potential dispute over fees at his golf course and then of course the other issue besides the fact that mueller had worked for wilmer hail, the law firm that represented jared and ivanka and experts in the doj cleared, they vetted him to do this representation ethically.
but the issue is that interviewed for ahead of the fbi with president trump days before his appointment as special counsel. i think as everything in this case, he s grasping for straws. they are using things with sort of a colonel of truth and then distorting them way out of proportion to undermine the entirety of the investigation. i want you to listen to something else that rudy giuliani was emphatic about in the long interview when it comes to the new york times reporting that mueller s team is looking into the president s tweet, specifically tweets about jeff sessions, tweets about fired fbi director james comey, as to whether or not those are signs of or evidence of obstruction. here s how giuliani sees it. if they are looking at his tweets, the investigation is done. we re going to do obstruction by tweet on a president of the united states as an article of i am r impeachment?
mueller and his team in terms of assessing the president s state of mind at the time that he made these really crucial decisions. caroline, appreciate the legal expertise this morning. thank you very much. back to michael cohen. take a look at this. this 2017 tweet that he wrote about that meeting at trump tower, it s notable that cohen tweeted this just after minutes after don jr. went on fox news and said his father knew nothing about the trump tower meeting and after he testified before congress. let me read it. so proud of that donald j. trump jr. for open and transparent to the american people. this nonsense needs to stop. that was then. we now know of course that cohen thinks anything but this and thinks the president needs to be forthright and he says that the president knew about this trump meeting with the russians. with me now is denny heck of washington, sits on the intelligence committee and questioned michael cohen under oath. thank you for being here.
because of michael cohen s allegation that the president knew beforehand about the meeting on june 16th as i recall in trump tower, that included the president s campaign manager and son-in-law and his son. meeting with the russians. you said on ms nbc in the past few days that you don t see a reason for michael cohen to lie. that struck me because michael cohen is under federal criminal investigation should he be charged, he would have cause to lie, no? well, not if you believe that if he continued to lie that the president might pardon him as has been rumored over and over again. he had to make that political calculus for himself. neither michael cohen or president trump are reliable sources and director mueller will have to rely upon a body of evidence, this just being one element of it. let s talk about the party going forward. you know, when you look at what
democrats should run on in the midterms and in 2020, there is increasing evidence that americans faith in robert mueller has declined, gone from 48% in march down to 41 most recently. should this be a warning sign to your fellow democrats saying don t run on this, don t make this issue number one if you re trying to win your race? poppy, i don t know of a single democrat anywhere in america who is running on the basis of the russian investigation. here s what i hear them running on, lowering prescription drug prices and making sure that people with preexisting conditions are protected so they can have health insurance, trying to build an economy not just grows but grows fairly you and others talk and tweet a lot about the russia probe and a lot about trump and cohen. i talk about russian investigation when you invite me on the program and ask me about it. you don t tweet about it? not much. do you think your other members of congress should tweet about it and write about it less? i think angie craig in minnesota and lisa brown in
policies, you reform i.c.e., change the guy in in charge of i.c.e. and take a different approach and don t throw out the border enforcement with trafficking. what they were originally intended to do was not separate families, not rip babies out of the arms of their mothers. you re not in the camp of abolish i.c.e. i am not. is there any 2020 contender that you think is too liberal right now, too left for the field that would cost democrats the election? poppy, starting gun for the 2020 presidential election goes off at 8:01 p.m. on november 6th, 99 days from now. ask me that after let me ask about the mid terms. is there any candidate that is too left, too liberal for the party? do you think alexandria acost ya cortez is too left for party? i happen to have the honor to
chair the committee for the last four years and i can tell ut candidates that are running throughout the country reflect interest and desires and aspirations of their districts. that s why i m optimistic. you think she s more representative of the district than of the country? as determined by the primary election outcome, yes. thank you for being here. we ll have you back and ask you that question. we appreciate it. thanks for the time. as i mentioned, 99 days until the mid terms and the president throws his own party a curveball threatening a government shutdown. what would that actually mean and look like for republicans come midterms, deadly wildfire still raging across california leaving a path of destruction tens of thousands forced to flee. we ll have a live report. it has been years since the plane mh 370 disappeared with all 239 people on board. will we find out what happened? investigators are out this morning with a new report.
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welcome back, president trump is threatening to shut down the government in september over immigration and funding for a border wall. he wrote over the weekend he s willing to see the government shut down if democrats do not give us the votes for border security, which includes a wall. with the midterms 99 days away, what would a shutdown mean for republicans hoping to stay that the majority in congress? let s talk with it ron brownstein and molly ball. thanks for being here. happy monday one and all. ron, are you in l.a.? is it very early monday morning in l.a.? it s very early monday morning. thank you for getting up very early for us. let me begin with you, molly. is this for real or is this bluster from the president? even mcconnell is saying this would put a lot in jeopardy, you have the kavanaugh nomination they would like to see obviously get the votes it needs in congress to get him on the high court before the term starts in october.
is the president really willing to shut down the government with all that at stake? nobody knows because at this point this is a routine threat from the president. he has literally made this threat every single time there has been a funding bill up. and he has yet to do it. so whether he would follow through this time, one of the things that the republicans in congress have learned in nearly two years of trying to figure out how to get along with this president is that his attention is somewhat in constant and his threats are not necessarily followed by intense focus on outcomes in the past so far they made spending deals with the democrats and some involvement from the white house but not a lot of direct involvement from the president. they put them in front of them and he signed them. however, he is annoyed that wall funding still hasn t come through. and so at any point he could decide to be an obstacle and that is something reflected am
mcconnell s comments that very few in congress think would be a good idea politically. right. it could be hard to name one who thinks it s a good idea politically. ron, listen to this, this is ron johnson together on the radio over the weekend. is the fnding of the border wall going to wait until after the elections? probably. that is something we do have a disagreement i don t like playing shutdown plakz. how damaging would that be ahead of the november races? i don t think it would be helpful. let s try and avoid it. so i mean, ron, will top republicans be able to talk the president down from this ledge? i think in the end probably. you know, look the history of shutdowns is they don t work and provide the leverage that whoever is executing it believes will get them what they want. that was certainly true in the mother of all shutdowns back in
95 and 96 with bill clinton and really the turning point and i think it s worth noting, the president is talking about shutting down the government over a border wall with astonishing consistency, 60% they oppose in every poll. the number doesn t move by more than a point or two. it s also worth noting there are many democrats who believe why doug jones won in alabama not only because of policy, it was simply the idea of a return to normalcy. politics that was not living on def con five all the time. there s a level of conflict coming out of washington that is unnerving for the public, particularly in the white collar suburban districts, the epicenter of vulnerability. it was kind of overlooked but in the npr maris poll, 68% of college educated whites in those kind of key districts said they
were embarrassed by trump s behavior as president and just the sheer level of conflict and idea of shutting down the government right before the midterm election, i think would be viewed as a gift by democrats running in those suburban districts at the tipping point of the electioelection. i want to turn the corner and talk about the he said he said continues that go on in the saga, michael cohen and the president and what the president knew or did not know about the trump tower meeting with russians to get dirt on hillary clinton. republican congressman darrel issa, in a tough district for a republican, here s what he said over the weekend on fox news, basically saying it s not such a big deal if it does turn out that the president lied about this. let s listen. what he s proven to be a liar, congressman. if he s proven to have not told the whole truth about the fact that campaigns look for dirt and if someone offers it
you listen to them, nobody is going to be surprised. there are some things in politics you just take for granted. businessmen listen to almost everyone that might be helpful. by the way they make prag natic decisions how to make bad stories go away. in business, a problem is something money won t solve. molly, really? he s not a businessman. he s a president. well, he does have an interest in his business so arguably he is still fair. i think what we are seeing is a continual evolution, continual sort of falling down the slippery slope of attempts to explain and account for whatever the particular reasoning of the president is at the time and it has gone from nothing happened to if something happened it wasn t illegal or if something happened it was fine. so i think we are very close to
republicans openly arguing not only that sure there was collusion but who cares it was fine, everybody does it but even ffs a good thing and some kind of strategic genius on part of the campaign as the facts continue to refute previous denials and explanations. here s ron part of the concern among trump s lawyers, the president s legal team and why it seems they want the mueller probe wrapped up now or yesterday really. listen to giuliani this morning. if he does not wrap it up by september, are you worried this will affect the midterm snz. yeah, i don t know which way. the people against him get excited about it but it s one of his biggest rallying cries, don t impeach. vote republicans because they ll impeach. i think it sure as hell confuses the midterm and could become a go off on a ridiculous thing about impeachment. it is interesting the new
quinnipiac poll shows if democrats retake the house 65% of democratic voters say they should proceed with articles of impeachment against the president. if it s not wrapped up by the midterms, no indication it would be, which party does it help and hurt? well, first of all, i think as your previous guests, there are no democrats there are vanishing few democrats running on the idea of impeachment. they want to run on primarily on health care and tax cut and that is kind of the argument. i don t know, i don t think it has a huge effect on the midterm if it carries over. it kind of fits into what is the general reinforces the current we already see. the president has a consistent strategy amid all of this, he is trying to turn out more of the republican base than the president s party usually turns out in a midterm. the price of that is that everybody not only republicans who hear the tweets and arguments that he s putting out.
gentlem clearly had an effect on house republicans and move them in the direction because of what he s done with the base that molly talks about it, willing to excuse almost any behavior but everybody else is listening too. if you look at the polling, 60% say they are embarrassed by conduct as president and 61% saying they believe he speaks the truth only rarely or not at all. 40 point majority saying they trust the intelligent services more than him about russia meddling. everybody is hearing this. if you re a republican in a swing district, most of which voted for hillary clinton, many of which are white collar districts at a point where the disapproval among college educated whites is back up to 60% post helsinki. is this helpful? it may make the rubble bounce in places that are reliably republicans and some republicans in deep red states but in the battle for the house, polarizing the electorate that leaves most defending on the shortened of the stick.
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could contained and continuing to threaten thousands of homes and businesses. dan simon is in redding with more. it s astonishing how quickly it expanded. six people dead, including a woman and her two great grandchildren, is that right? reporter: that s exactly right, poppy. i had a conversation with somebody, this is one of the most difficult conversations i ve ever had with a 76-year-old man who is broken after losing the most important people in his life. this is ed bled sow, they were raising their children great grandchildren, had them is since birth. 5-year-old james who they called junior and 4-year-old emily. on thursday night, ed left his house around 7:00 just to run a quick errand in town. he received a frantic phone call that the flames were suddenly approaching his house. he tried to get back and
couldn t. i ll let ed pick up the story from there. i talked to junior on the foern until he died. he just kept saying grandpa, he said, come get me. come get me. the fire is coming in the back door. i m right down the road. come and get us. emily said, i love you grandpa. and junior says i love you, come and get us, i said i m on my way. my wife was the greatest woman in the world and my grand kids was excellent. . as you can imagine, he s feeling a tremendous sense of guilt for leaving but never got a warning from anybody that the flames were getting close to the house. that just goes to show you how fast this fire quickly spread through the community. i can show you where we are right here. we are in the town of redding, this is lake redding estates, one of the neighborhoods leveled so many homes have been
destroyed. right now 874 structures are gone. but fortunately, poppy, fire crews do they they are now making progress. right now they are up to 18% contained and may not sound like a lot but 4 hours ago it was just 5%. hopefully they continue to make good progress on the lines. dan simon, can t imagine what it was like talking to that man. beautiful children, four and five years old. thank you, dan. let s get to chad myers for more. they said that this is you heard dan say this is 18% contained. it really doesn t sound like a lot. and you ve got this extreme heat, the wind that continues. i mean is there relief in sight? the good news, popty, there is relief but most of the containment is the near the town of redding, near the city limits there. this firestorm that his family was caught in was in an urban and wild land interface area where trees are backing up right to the neighborhood.
so they really didn t have any warning as the winds gusted out of control. we re seeing this fire somebody in the neighborhood of about seven times bigger than the island of manhattan, not quite as big as all of the bore roes put together, 150 square miles to the rest of redding. we have very dry conditions, not going to cool down, the high will be 104 or 105. heat doesn t make fire but the dryness of the air doesn t allow the plants to absorb humidity and they just burn quickly. what we have here, completely covered in smoke. even air quality advisories for some of the people out there in the valleys as the smoke is being trapped there and it s unhealthy to breathe. temperatures are going to be in the triple digits and we ve had moderate drought and many trees are killed because of pine beatles or other problems. so many dead trees burn quickly here. not only desid uous but when you
get dead evergreens you get real fuel. the next chance of rain, zero, zero, zero. poppy, next chance of rain for the fires out here won t be until next tuesday. so the firefighters have to do their jobs and get the fires put down because mother nature isn t helping. eight days away. chad, thank you for the update. a meeting between president trump and publisher of the new york times was supposed to be off the record. then the president tweeted about it and it s certainly on the record. we ll explain what happened next.
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president his language was quote, not just divisive but increasingly dangerous and went on to say he implored him, being the president, to reconsider his broad attacks on journalism. a look at the president s tweeter time line shows he may not have gotten that message or taken it to heart. oliver darcy joins me now. walk me through the back and forth between the president and solz burger on? the white house requested i go he go to the white house and this happened on july 20th. they apparently discussed trump s attacks on the media, particularly him labeling the media as the enemy of the people. salzberger said in a statement after the meeting, i told trump although the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful, i m far more concerned about his labeling journalists the enemy of the people. i warned this inflammatory language is contributing to a rise in threats against journalists and will lead to violence.
so when the president tweeted they talked about fake news and the enemy of the people, it seems sulzberger was taking him to task on this. to clarify, the president s tweet seemed to be misleading if you believe what sulzberger is saying. the president said they talked about the vast amount of fake news the media is putting out. right. which is not really what they talked about. it seems they talked about the president s use of the phrase the enemy of the people which is particularly alarming. keeps using it. i remember when he first used it it was like wow the president now it s now it seems like he s desensitized everyone into thinking they normal languageto use, to call journalists enemy of the people. i was surprised to learn it was the white house that initiated this meeting, that it was the president that wanted to sit down with the publisher of the new york times, an entity he consistently refers to as failing and insists that he has no interest in and does not care about. do you know why he wanted this
attack? publicly the president obviously says he doesn t like the new york times, washington post, et cetera, et cetera, but privately he s particularly obsessed it seems like with these papers, it s not too surprising to me he would want to meet with the publisher. the president has shown he is particularly interested in how the media covers his white house and behind the scenes what s going on. any response there s a legitimacy issue as well. the president is a new yorker, guy from queens and new york times one of the most eminent papers in the country. a legitimacy issue when you are talked about a lot in the new york times, right? right. there s a lot of reporting he s been seeking that for a long time. any response from the white house what sulzberger is saying? i don t think there has been a response directly but the president is having his first press availability today. there is going to be a pool spray, first time after the kaitlan collins incident.
it will be interesting to see how the reporters question the president and he s holding a press conference later this afternoon and likely to get questioned on all of this stuff. didn t take questions on friday after that announcement on the south lawn about the economy. so you re right, this is the first time in about a week he ll get a chance to ask questions. nice to have you as always. ahead for us, mh 370, we may never know what happened to it but four years later we may know what didn t happen. the new report out this morning. a place with flexible fmeal plans.e. .and 24-hour room service. a place where seniors get the care they need in the comfort of home. home instead senior care. when did you see the sign? when i needed to create a better visitor experience. improve our workflow. attract new customers. that s when fastsigns recommended fleet graphics. yeah! now business is rolling in. get started at fastsigns.com.
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way to beijing with 239 people on board, investigators say malaysian airlines flight 370 towards back to malaysia under manual control. this is information according to a report on the investigation it was released this morning by malaysian authorities. but they can t say whether or not that means the pilot was in control of the plane. our correspondent will ripley joins me from hong kong. it is heartbreaking over and over again for the families that just want answers and this report years later, it doesn t give a lot. right. and there s still that cloud of suspicion that hangs over the pilot and potentially the first officer and their families because they were the ones presumably in the cockpit although this report doesn t rule out somebody breaking into the cockpit. what s been so frustrating for vergts, they have extensively checked the backgrounds of all 239 people on the plane. not a single person, including the pilot or first officer had any indication of stress or anxiety or motivation to make to want the plane turn around and
head on that probable flight path. it s only a guest mated guess. you have this 495 page report which could be the final report out and has a lot of facts about the search. it talks about 230,000 square kilometers searched and 27 pieces of still not the most important answer for these families, which is why and where is the plane and the people they love right now. what about where this all goes? i know they felt this you areuro get something out there. do they stop investigating? or does this continue on and on? the most recent search conducted by the private u.s. company where they searched 112,000 kilometers, that was called off at the end of may. they said they were using the most high technology available right now.
they didn t find anything. at this point, there are no plans to resume the search. until they find the main wreckage, if that happens, they re not going to issue too many more reports. this report more than four years later 1,606 days since the plane disappeared, it was the same. it might be a situation where some day, out of the blue, there s a discovery that will be more accidental than anything else because these searches haven t yielded results. will ripley, appreciate the update from hong kong. thank you. authorities are taking safety measures to protect mourners at the funeral of this woman killed by novichok. the risk of exposure to the public is low. they have advised the funeral director to take precautions. make sure the coffin is in place
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for him it seems in many cases like the goal more than anything else is the actual meeting. he feels the responsibility to come up with some deal that would be better than anything we have had in the past when he gets to the negotiating table that hasn t happened yet in terms of north korea. we will see what happens with respect to russia. he just said we are keeping the sanctions on russia for the time being. there hasn t been evidence that he has been able to negotiate his ways out of the tense relationships but certainly it is going to be more complicated to facilitate on the world stage if he is serious about it than some of these other encounters. we will have to see how the iranians respond to this given the president s tough rhetoric toward iran just in the last few days. he said look i like meetings, i like to me. to your point. david on a broader level, when he is standing across from the italian prime minister conte.
the midterm elections? probably. that s something that we do have a disagreement on. homeland security won t get funded before the mid terms? probable me not. but most of the government will be covered. and then at the end of the year if we can t reach an agreement on that we will do what is called a continuing resolution for that little portion of the government spending that s left unpassed? individual bills. you are not worried about a government shuttown. no that s not going to happen. mcconnell not worried about a government shutdown. the president was very clearly i would be certainly willing to shut it down to debt it done. julie, he did say he does to the have a red line here. he also though did not talk about dates. that s important especially had he you take into account what we just heard from mitch mcconnell. he clearly relishes this fight. i think he relishes talking about the fight probably more than he actually relishes having it. from the very beginning the president has been really
frustrated at his inability to get a significant amount of wall funding in any of the spending agreements that congress has been able to reach. you remember earlier this year he had a few hours there where he was threatening to veto a huge omnibus spending bill because it didn t have wall funding. he feels strongly. he thinks it activates the republican base in a way that will be helpful to republican candidates in the midterm congressional elections. i think that s why we are continuing to hear him talking more and more approximate it. i think republican leaders and the rank and file for sure take issue with him on that. they would rather not talk about a wall and a shutdown over the wall in the midterm elections where suburban voters, independents, and those who are not core republicans necessarily are really crucial to republicans ability to maintain the congress. but the president very much relishes this debate. relishes the debate. relishes the idea of a fight. david, is this at all concerned about those republicans who
don t want to see it for the very reasons that julie just laid out? he is very concerned about himself. i think at some point there will be a political adviser asking do you want to shut down the government before the midterm elections. there are candidates like dean heller who may lose this fight. i m sure that will be conveyed to him eventually. but i would say there is close to a 0% chance he gets border funding before this midterm election. you heard it from senator mcconnell. i don t think senator mcconnell will allow the government to shut down. but look, president trump is completely unpredictable. that s the one thing that we can say about it. i think once it gets closer and he sees how closely contested these elections are and how power of the republican party hinges on them he will probably back off of those statements. we will be watching for all of that. david, julie we appreciate it as always. thank you. how much will some of that
be a distraction for one of the things the president wasn t talking about? his attorney rudy giuliani now saying collusion with russians isn t really a crime, also challenging special counsel robert mueller to be a man. we will dig into all of that from his wild cnn interview this morning. plus the president launching his most personal attack yet against robert mueller with a series of false claims. we will discuss. and the wife of cbs president les moonves discussing the sexual misconduct allegations against him. what julie chen had to say on her show, the talk this afternoon. and what the network is now doing about the accusations.
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investigation president trump has repeated time and time again the words we know so well, no collusion. today president trump s attorney rudy giuliani telling cnn he is not sure collusion with russia would even be considered a crime. take a listen. they are not going to be klute clu colluding about russians. i don t know if that s a crime, colluding about russians. you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. all this as the president is launching a new strategy to discredit special counsel rebound mueller alleging conflicts of interests and a business relationship. my colleague asked july jewel to explain. he is referring to a dispute which i imagine mueller would have reported to rosenstein because it involves something that actually wasn t settled to this day. but that s up to the president and mueller to describe. you describe it mueller, stan up and be a man.
this doesn t make sense. how can the president make this climb and not support it? he doesn t have to. why is it up to robert mueller to uphold the president s tweet. he has the conflict. not the president. what s the conflict. i can t tell you. i don t know. if it s the one i think it is, it is good enough to have to have kept him out of the investigation. joining us now a panel. i actually want to start just where allison left off there. that is something that is remark lk . we are to the getting any detail from ju july nor from the president after this tweet that called on mueller to reveal his conflicts of interest. he was appointed by this administration. the department of justice ethics experts looked at him saying no problem you are good to go you can do this job.
what if something fell through the cracks. if the president stumbled on a legitimate conflict of interest for robert mueller more than a year in. i think you are right, i think it s unlikely there is a new conflict of interest we haven t already heard about and been cleared. giuliani said stand up and be a man and address this. that s not how prosecutors work. they don t address it over twitter. they would apply in a court of law if there was a motion filed against this. which is the venue that giuliani based on his own career would know ibt matly. incredible in and of itself. we are seeing a shift. they were saying no collusion, no collusion, now giuliani saying it s not really a crime. is this a smart strategy to start laying the groundwork, no matter what happens, nothing the see her. collusion not a crime.
if there is evidence out there that is going to make it difficult for you to continue to assert there was no collusion f. there was no evidence out there i don t think we would see the shift in strategy. what it tells me is there is something that rudy giuliani has seen that made him decide that a shift is important. it s quite a shift. we have been hearing no collusion quite a bit. now we are hearing collusion is not a crime. technically speaking that s correct in the sense that there is no word collusion that you will signed find u.s. code. but there are plenty of crimes that involve cooperating with russians. for example, criminal conspiracy, foreign contributions to a presidential candidate in the united states which robert mueller did charge a number of russians with doing, that would be effectively what we would call collusion. there is also sort of this new line on collusion. there is still this old familiar one when it comes to the investigation itself. and the tweets that we saw from the president over the weekend trying to discredit of course the special counsel and each
sort of grasping at statues when it comes to twitter. here s what giuliani had to say specifically to allison about those tweets. take a listen. if they are looking at his tweets, the investigation is done. if they are we are going to do obstruction by tweet, on the president of the united states as an article of impeachment. read the law review articles about that it s laughable. it is a scary. number one we want to point out time and time again we don t know where the investigation stands. theres no time line to this investigation. yul joule though seems to be laughing it off saying if we are at the point where we are looking at this obstruction by tweet there must be nothing left it sound like that s what he is saying. is it a smart move for giuliani to be saying this less than 24 hours after his client slammed the special down is he will in a tweet? look as we have said before obstruction of justice can come in many different ways. kit certainly come with bribing a witness. it can come with threatening with somebody with a crow bar. it can also come with a tweet.
as long as the sense is there, you can justify the obstruction of justice statute. for giuliani to be saying they are b desperate if they are going after obstruction by tweet i don t think they are understanding the fact that obstruction can be proved bly many ways. can be proved in many ways. how concerning should the tweets be at this point? i would be extremely concerned if the i was the president. i think at this point i would be surprised if robert mueller didn t conclude that the president obstructed justice. there is a lot of evidence out there. twoets are one form of communication. tweets are one form of communication. there is a lot of evidence that the president had an been the obstruct or impede the investigation. he did more than just tweet. he fired james comey. he tried to pressure the attorney general to unrecuse himself. he wasn t concerned about conflicts of interest in that circumstances. i think robert mueller should be using all of the president s
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julie chen standing by her husband les moonves today comments come out of her daytime show the talk. what did she have to say. all this coming after the new yorker broke the story which detailed how six women accused moonves of sexual harassment. chen speaking out about the allegations for the first time on camera just a short time ago. some of you may be aware of what has been going on in my life. i issued the one and only statement i will ever make on this topic on twitter. and i will stand by that statement today, tomorrow, forever. so that statement reads i have known my husband leslie moonves since the late 90s and i have been married to him almost 14 years. s good man, devoted father,
goes and inspiring corporate leader. he has always been a kind moral and decent human being. i stand by him and his statement. i want to point out i did work at cbs for a number of years, in full disclosure. getting that out of the way, we know that the cbs board of directors is meeting right now. ? we den know much because the meeting is still going on. they have been this the meeting well over three hours now. part of the reason for that is because there is more on the table here than just the fate of leslie moonves. they also have all of their usual business to attend to. but of course the elephant in the room, are these accusations from the six women against leslie moon stress and accusations from even more women against the company culture. in that vacuum, what we have are actually not just julie chen but several high-ranking women at cbs across the cbs company who
are actually coming to moonves s defense saying either that this new yorker article doesn t represent the man they know, they can t square that with the man whom they have worked with for so many years. or even in some cases calling for some nuance in our thinking about how we think about things that may have happened decades ago. meanwhile, what the directors are doing now, identifying a select committee to oversee the investigation into the accusations. that committee will then select a law firm to conduct the investigation. what does all of that mean? it means we are probably days if not weeks away from the conclusion of that investigation, and from knowing who moonves s fate will be at cbs. a lot of this, too, is seeing headlines not just for the allegations or what they are trying to figure out but of course les moonves was working pretty hard to prevent a merger with viacom. what s the impact on that? absolutely. there is sort of a context here which is that moonves has been
pitted against sharery redstone, the chairwoman of viacom and cbs. she is trying the reunite both of those companies, one of the sort of subplots of the mergers and acquisition era that we are living through in the media sbri. moonves has resisted that. he has gone so far as to shoe sharery redstone in his attempt to block that merger from taking place. look, front and center in this story of course are the accusations against moonves which the board has said it is taking very seriously. but if you talk to people in hollywood, the context of that is not lost on them. now, sharery redstone came forward on friday when these allegations first came out and said that she absolutely resists any insinuation that she had anything to do with these accusations. dylan biers i know you will continue to follow it for us. thank. just ahead more than a dozen wildfires raging in california. some of them turning deadly.
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just went to nothing. god dang. by babies is my wife. what did i do wrong? and why? just wonderful, wonderful people. my wife was the greatest woman in the world, and my grandkids was excellent. them kids from the smartest kids in their school. they give them top honors on everything. they just it kills me. all i think about is him talking to me and begging me to come and get him out of the fire. he kept saying grandpa come and get me, come and get us, come and get us, please, come and get us. and all i could say is i m just down the road. i m coming, i m coming. but the hell, they wouldn t let me through there. and uh. did the phones go dead.
yeah. no, it didn t yeah, the phone went off. i dialed it back and it went to voice machine. i dialed it back and it went to voice machine. i just kept dialing and dialing and dialing, and it just went to it just kept going to voice machine. so let me ask you this, at any time did authorities say you should evacuate? no. never. i was there all day, all and my kids travis and his wife that was there all day. they was in there helping me cut line and stuff around the house. and the fire was a way hill o r over, down. nobody ever said anything about evacuating. nobody did. my wife called 911. and they said, we will have somebody come get you. and junior said hey grandpa a car pulled up in the yard, in
the driveway, but he backed up and left. he didn t even come in and get us. i said, well, they should have somebody should have come in and got you. and i guess they said the fire was so hot, they couldn t, yeah, go in. but hello health they should have honked and let them come running through the fire. your wife once she knew that the fire was getting close she wrapped the kids in blankets. wet blankets. she wrapped them in wet blankets and put them down at the side of the bed and put a wet blanket around her and that s why they found him. they could see they were wrapped in blankets? that s what they told me. i wanted to go in there and find stuff myself because i m upset. i would have liked to have gone in there and died with them. i would love to be laying there on my wife and went with them. they i ll never find another
wife and kids like that. i m just a stupid old man. i should have autosed my damn brain and kept my wife and kids out of harm s way. matter breaking. at last county six people have died. seven are missing. hot dry conditions continue to fan the flames. in multiple wildfires as you can see there in northern california, the largest, the carr fire, in redding is just 17% contained. if you would like to help the fire systems cnn s impact your world team has organizations on the ground. find those at cnn.com/impact. rudy giuliani, and his wild cnn interview today also attacking michael cohen s credibility using shakespeare references to describe his quote betrayal. no charges against a police officer who shot and killed a man as he ran from them. you will see the video as police
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blevins on june 23rd. law officers are required to react quickly in tense, uncertain, and rapidly involving situations needed to be taken into [ shouting ] it was murder. it was murder. you walk out on my family. [ shouting ] you just saw mike freeman. he walked out on the victim s family. he will let these murderers walk away. we are tired of being hunted down and shot. and then there is white people coming here telling us it is all right to kill us. we are tired of that. we want the officers arrested in the next 48 hours or there will be further consequences. and that is all we have to say. mike freeman, you better think
long and hard in regards to prosecuting these officers, because if you don t i ll let you finish that. the city of minneapolis releasing body cam footage which shows two officers chasing down blevins as he begged them not to shoot. that video starts in the patrol car just before officers spot blevins carrying a gun. i want to warn you, you may find these images disturbing. he s got a gun. put your [ bleep ] hands up now. stop, stop, stop, put your [ bleep ] hands up. put your hands up. i will [ bleep ] shoot you. come on, man. i didn t do nothing, brow. put your hand up. you have got a gun. no. yes you do. put it down. put it down.
please, don t shoot me. put your hand up. please don t shoot me. put your hands up. [ gunfire ] cnn s ryan young is with us now. ryan, the officers were responding to a 911 call of a man firing a gun into the air. walk us through what happened, and also of course why we are learning no charges are being filed. look, this is a tough video to watch. i have watched it probably a dozen times of course you see the officers during that chase. they were told they were looking for an intoxicated man who was apparently firing a gun in the air. when the officer arrived you hear him say look i think i see a bottle of gin. and then as they exit the car he notes i think i can see a weapon. they have circled it. when you think about the body
video we have seen, this is really clear. it look like several times the gun is pointed back towards the officers. i also want to point out the audio in this cam footage is very clear. you can hear the officer saying over and over hands up. you can hear them begging for him to stop. you can actually hear blevins saying leave me alone, don t shoot, don t shoot. but at the same time when you watch the highlighted portions of this video, it looks like the weapon is pointed back toward officers. something else that we learned today, they apparently said they found a shell casing near his body that came from his gun. so not sure if this was fired during this chase. maybe it was fired after he fell. but the point is that weapon did apparently discharge. if you think about this, did that chase last 30 or 35 seconds? the entire time you could hear the instructions from the officers to please stop, to put your hand up. they very direct with their calls for hmm to stop running. then you will also see that weapon pointed back toward
officers. there is a planned protest for tomorrow. wondering how the community will react in terms of this because at first when they heard about the shooting they were angry and very upset. but when you watch all the video, yes the family is upset. you can understand why they are making this call and trying give him every step of the process to stop running or maybe even to have that gun pointed back. we haven t heard from the officers yet, but what did they see during that run and of course the reason why the charges are not being posted toward these officers is because of the danger the gun poseded. ryan young with more on that. thank you. tsa admits it s been tracking people as they make their way around airports around the country. the government says it s all for security reasons. why then are some air marshalls complain iing about the program? when i received the diagnoses,
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joining us now, david. as we look at this, the globe reported several told the globe they can they think the program is a waste of taxpayer dollars and resources. dwoent know if it s been effective because the government is not giving us that information whachlt do you make of it? well, this pattern monitoring if you want to call it that, goes far beyond just the way that a person acts. they research how long you ve been flying on a certain route. you re taking a certain route, they ll verify why. if you re taking a pattern, like from dallas to denver to l.a. and you keep doing that pattern, they ll use that as well to increase surveillance on a particular passenger. it just, it s very in depth. it is an effective program that i know of. so as far as ethically, yeah, i think it s definitely on the border of ethics and why we should be under surveillance
when we re simply traveling. but it s hard to remember that flying is a privilege. not a right. to play devil s advocate on that, you and i both know anytime there s a disaster, that the u.s. and a lot of people would say rightfully so, specifically dmesically is criticized for being reactionary. so if this seems more proactive, like things in other countries, is this something to get so concerneded about? it is proactive. i reward it for that. i think it s a good program that they re doing this. a lot to do with it. now you have to have a little faith to know they re not using this for anything else that s where the idea of separation between cia and fbi being enforcement. that s where the line is thin and where we have to be very, very careful we don t impose on people s rights. but once again, to be able to fly is privilege and you have to
give up a little bit of your own personal security and information to be able to fly. for the sake of others who are flying. so i think i want to switch gears with you. there s a new report about the disappearance of malaysia flight 370. a report that found the plane was likely steered off course. flew over the indian ocean. they say look, we can t, we can t give you a determinetive answer here until we find find the wreckage, we don t really know. what s your reaction? it s that people are impatient about ambiguity. they have to have an answer for things. as investigators, that s one of the first things we train ourselves not to do and the idea that the lack of evidence or the absence of evidence doesn t mean there s evidence of any kind of
absence. kind of a flip on words there, but basically what we re seeing is just because the evidence of mean it didn t happen. i haven t finished the report. it s 492 pages. a lot to get through. yeah, it is. so there may be more in there. but as i see it now, the idea to kind of jump to one conclusion or another, it says on there, in the report in the very first few pages and this is so true. that an accident investigation is only performed to prevent further accidents and further incidents from happening. it s not to point blame. not the to say this is conclusively what happened. a lot of information we can improve oir safety with from this report but to come to a conclusion at this point is still irresponsible. i don t think there s enough information to conclude what happened to that airplane.

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guiliani described the supposed meeting, then said it never happened. and he once again reiterated the president knew nothing about the meeting in advance. tonight, rudy guiliani seems to be muddying the waters about what meetings may have taken place before the now controversial june 2016 sit down between donald trump jr. and the russians. guiliani brought up for the first time another meeting without the president three days before the russians met at trump tower. guiliani claims reporters have been asking questions about its occurrence, and guiliani is trying to make clear it did not happen. there wasn t another meeting, that has been leaked, but hasn t been public yet. that was a meeting, alleged meeting three days before. he says there was a meeting with donald jr., with jared kushner, with paul manafort, with gates, and possibly two others in which they out of the presence of the president discussed the meeting with the russians.
we checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, four of the six. that meeting never, ever took place. it didn t happen. it is a figment of his imagination or a lie. reporter: this as guiliani ramps up attacks on michael cohen, going after him personally. the guy is unethical, he is a scumbag, he is a horrible person. reporter: and pushing back against the revelation that according to sources cohen claims he is prepared to tell the special counsel the president knew in advance about donald jr. s meeting with the russians and approved to it. when you re lying, there s a trap. when we said there was a one on one meeting, donald jr. came in and told him the meeting was about to take place. two witnesses say it didn t happen. the president and his son. they have a self interest in saying that. and cohen has a bigger self interest in saying it. reporter: this is a 180 from glowing reviews for the fixer, attorney.
he is an honest, honorable lawyer. i do not expect michael cohen will lie. i think he ll tell the truth. guiliani saying his opinion changed with the revelation cohen recorded at least one conversation with the president. how did i know he was a lawyer taping his client. you tell me a lawyer is taping his client, i have to say sorry, i made a mistake. i said he was honest and honorable, i didn t know he tape recorded conversations with clients, shaking down people for money. he was manipulating or doctoring tapes. i didn t know that when i said that. george washington didn t know benedict arnold was a traitor. and tonight, donald trump jr. s lawyer is issuing a statement on all of this, in light of don jr. s continued insistence he never told his father about the trump tower meeting, even though sources say michael cohen plans to say the president was told. he says we investigated this matter over a year and are in command of the facts, we are
fully confident of the accuracy and reliability of the information that s been provided by donald trump jr. in the various investigations. of course, wolf, the lawyer for donald trump jr. is trying to tamp down stories precipated by precipated by this. you lie to congress, that s a crime. exactly. we ll see what happens. thank you very much. joining us, mazie horona, senator, thank you for joining us. thank you. you know president trump has repeatedly claimed there was no collusion, now his lawyer rudy guiliani is arguing collusion isn t even a crime necessarily, so what does that signal to you? i think that the news is closing. guiliani is like a loose cannon, so is the president frankly. conspiracy is a crime and obstruction of justice is a crime.
and it all points to how important it is for the mueller investigation to continue. donald trump jr. s lawyer you just heard says they are fully confident the accuracy and reliability of the information that has been provided by donald trump jr. and various investigations, based on what we ve learned, do you think that reflects the information he provided to your committee during his q and a session? i know that during his sessions with us not just with our judiciary committee but the entire trump family as far as i m concerned has not been forthcoming and so at this point everybody s credibility in my view is questionable, and clearly guiliani s credibility is shot, even as he goes ahead and attacks michael cohen who he said was a great guy not too long ago. the chairman of your committee, senate judiciary committee chuck grassley says it is up to prosecutors now to determine if donald trump jr.
lied before your committee and he won t call him back. are you satisfied with that? not particularly but on the other hand again it points out how important it is for the mueller investigation to continue even as trump and his minions and his enablers continue to go after mueller in a very personal way and they re just heightening their personal attacks on mueller, and this is why that investigation must continue. rudy guiliani tells cnn, i am quoting now, the president didn t hack and didn t pay them for hacking. that defense comes days after cnn reported that michael cohen says the president signed off on the russian meeting ahead of time, knew of the offer of dirt on hillary clinton. do you think the trump team is preparing for more revelations about what the president actually knew? they must be otherwise they
wouldn t be so vehement and what i would say, acting like loose cannons. these are people that act as if they have something to hide and they re just scrambling, that s a good word, they re just scrambling to attack and obfuscate as to what s really happening. so i repeat myself. i keep repeating myself in terms of how critical the mueller investigation is and why these really personal and heightened attacks on mueller says to me that trump team is getting even more nervous than they have been. because as you know, the president and his lawyer guiliani are escalating dramatically personal attacks on the special counsel, robert mueller. how concerning is that to you? it is concerning in that they continue to put out conflicting information and frankly to watch rudy guiliani these days, it is very painful because there s a
guy whose credibility is totally shot. he actually expects to continue to have people listen to whatever he has to say? no. and he s just doing the bidding of president trump. that s not serving the public at all, and the person who is getting to the bottom of this and in a way that can be verifiable and under oath is robert mueller. the president on a separate subject once again threat government shutdown over funding for the border wall and other immigration issues. do you think he would follow through on that threat so close to the november midterm elections? there s one thing about president trump, he continues to be very chaotic in his responses. these kinds of utterances come out of the blue. he must be feeling a great deal of pressure. he was given the opportunity to get the money for his wall when we had a bill in the senate, this was about the fourth bill that was a bipartisan bill to
protect 800,000 dreamer participants. he said no to that. suddenly after months he brings up the wall again. it must be because he feels under attack and lashes out. that s one thing you can pretty much ascribe to the president, that when his back is against the wall, he attacks everybody he thinks is coming after him, whether it is real or not. just to be specific, earlier in the day he tweeted this. let me quote from his tweet. he said we must have border security, get rid of chain lottery, catch and release sanctuary cities, go to merit based immigration, protect i.c.e. and law enforcement and keep building, but much faster, the wall. when you look at the list, is there anything you and your colleagues and the democratic party are willing to work with the president on? we worked with him in a bipartisan way to protect the dreamers which included money for the wall, so that s being very much in line with where he
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trump and his lawyer, rudy guiliani. the targets are clear, their strategy is more confusing, especially after the latest round of tweets by mr. trump and interviews by rudy guiliani. let s bring in our analysts and correspondents. kaitlin collins, you re with us over the past 48 hours. we ve seen the president and his supporters escalate dramatically their personal attacks, personal attacks on both robert mueller and michael cohen. how do you explain that? it s interesting to see how far we ve come from before march when president trump wouldn t say robert mueller s name, whether in person or on twitter. now he is attacking him several times a day, saying he has conflicts of interest without saying what they are. they asked rudy guiliani what is the president is alleging is a conflict of interest, is it about golf fees, dispute they had before. he said he couldn t even answer. we are seeing them ramp up attacks and the president being
more and more consumed by it. you look at his twitter feed, constant that he is saying this. and the white house isn t answering questions about the president s mindset, instead referring us back to rudy guiliani who then in the interviews is making the allegations as he did today, now saying that collusion is not a crime. they seem to be moving the goalpost a bit. before they said the president didn t collude, there was no collusion. that s something we heard from the president on repeat essentially and now they re moving the goalpost essentially to say no, collusion is not a crime, which raises the question why would you make that argument if there s no collusion. let me play the clip from the interview he gave allison cammarata earlier today. i don t know if that s a crime, colluding about russians. you start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. that s certainly the original
crime. he didn t pay them for hacking. what s he trying to achieve? it is true, there s no such crime in the federal code called collusion. however, it is unlawful for foreign entities of any kind, individuals, companies to assist in an american campaign. and if you look at the case against the russians who put all those ads on facebook, that clearly was the violation that they made. if it could be shown that people involved with the trump campaign actually helped do that, i think it is quite clear, that is a crime. so it is an odd day for him to declare collusion is not a crime. it is not just hacking that is unlawful. any sort of foreign assistance to a domestic campaign is a crime. and the last line, he didn t pay for the hacking raises a lot of questions. why are they making that argument now that the president didn t pay for it. there are all sorts of crimes he didn t commit, i think we can
agree on that. the question is did he commit the crimes he is under investigation for. conspiracy is a crime, it is another word for collusion. let me point out, ann melgrum, in the memo the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein issued august 2nd, 2017, almost exactly a year ago, outlining the scope of the russia investigation, rosenstein writes that mueller should investigate, quote, lagsz that paul manafort committed a crime or crimes by colluding with russian government officials with respect to the russian government s efforts to interfere in the 2016 election for president of the united states, in violation of united states law. how effective is this argument guiliani is now making that collusion isn t even necessarily a crime? right. by rosenstein s own language he is basically saying committed a crime or crimes, and by colluding is the way in which they would have done it, by working with the russians, by
essentially cooperating with the russians. as you said, conspiracy is a crime, aiding, abetting is a crime. no one said collusion is a separate crime. it is the way the president could have actually committed a crime, which is by working with the russians. it could be as simple as getting that information, coordinating the release of information coming from hacked e-mails or cooperating on social media, influencing an election. david swerdlick, it is interesting because guiliani today out of the blue brings up a second meeting just before the infamous trump tower meeting took place, second meeting involving the russians, only to deny it later in the day. what s going on here? wolf, it is almost like he is trying to be a jedi mind trick saying these are not the droids you re looking for. in the same statement, he says there was this meeting, we tried to reach out to people in the meeting, maybe there wasn t this meeting. i don t think it is clear. what ultimately will matter in this case, wolf, is whether or
not the justice department or congress or ultimately the american people believe the story michael cohen is reportedly telling or the story the president of the united states is sticking to regarding whether or not he knew about the meeting. anything rudy guiliani says is repeated in the conservative echo chamber, bright paeitbart, news. the reason rudy guiliani is so outspoken is because people listen and take it seriously and repeat it and so whether we we can have a sophisticated legal debate whether collusion is a crime. you can be sure lots of people on social media are saying of course, collusion is no crime. that s an accomplishment in and of itself. the president has gone from going after the so-called witch hunt, now all of a sudden it is a very personal issue for him, he is going after the robert mueller witch hunt. that s right, and so is rudy guiliani. let s be clear, guiliani hasn t
been a lawyer since moses was knee high to a grass hopper. this is not about the law. this is looking at attacks on the investigation, realizing out of 35, 40% of america believe the president. the investigation is a witch hunt. so you go into end game. the president says now i have to get closer to home. not only want to undercut the integrity of the investigation but the investigator. i think trump realized along with guiliani they made hay saying it is a witch hunt, now they re transitioning to saying as we go to end game, try the same tactic to undercut robert mueller. and guiliani is really going after michael cohen big time and the attacks against michael cohen are only going to escalate. notice they re trying to delegitimize michael cohen and everything he is saying because he is saying that donald trump jr. lied when he said his father didn t know about the meeting with russian officials beforehand because michael cohen is saying the president was aware of it.
so it is essentially michael cohen s word versus president trump s, which is likely why we saw rudy guiliani making the rounds on cable television this morning, making these arguments against michael cohen, even though he previously referred to him as one of those honest people that he s ever known. he tweeted that. now they re trying to go after him in this way. you clearly see it all goes back to president trump who has been the most angry he has ever been over the past year since mueller took over the investigation, and since the cohen stuff happened with the fbi raiding his home, office, and hotel, the cohen stuff in fewer ated infuriated the president. and now that michael cohen is making the allegations about his son, which is really the most sensitive issue for president trump, is going after his family, now we re seeing him zero in on michael cohen, even though they have not ruled out a pardon for michael cohen yet from president trump. very strange. how do you see it?
very strange. you know, the only mode that the trump team operates in is attack. anyone that crosses them gets attacked. michael cohen has apparently switched sides informally if not legally so he s now target number one. i maintained the slight hope that actually the truth matters and we re going to find out, like who attended these meetings, what was said. people will testify about it under oath and will be able to decide what happened but what we know for sure is anyone that crosses donald trump will be attacked mercilessly. i have to assume mueller and his team, they have been working for more than a year now, they know so much more about all of this than we know, than we have any suspicion of knowing. you re a former prosecutor. yeah. there s no question. there s so much we don t know. we re going to learn more starting shortly when the manafort trial begins, and i also don t think in addition to
the cohen tapes coming out and cohen switching sides publicly, i think we re on the eve of the manafort trial, may be driving some of the swings the president is making now because i think we re going to see three weeks of news that s devastating about what manafort was engaged in. so they may be preparing for that as well. good point. that trial begins tomorrow with jury selection. just ahead, the criminal trial of former trump campaign paul manafort, once again, beginning very, very soon, tomorrow. the special counsel is now revealing how manafort pocketed tens of millions of dollars. we ll go life to the worsening fire disaster in california where a grandmother and great grandchildren are among the dead. crabfest is back at red lobster, with our largest variety of crab all year! like new crabfest combo. your one chance to have new jumbo snow crab with tender dungeness crab. or try crab lover s dream. but hurry in. cause crabfest will be gone in a snap.
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over whether or not the jury will get to see 50 or so exhibits. these are exhibits that the manafort team says are prejudicial, that they re irrelevant to the charges. manafort is going on trial on bank and tax fraud charges, so the manafort team wants these exhibits and this evidence not shown to the jury. the government responded this afternoon saying that this is evidence that shows that manafort made $60 million working for the ukrainian government, these are e-mails, memos, photos that they show full, the full sweep of manafort s ukrainian work. essentially they say this is evidence that s going to be corroborating evidence for some of the witnesses that are going to describe what manafort was doing and why he was using these bank accounts in cypress and other foreign locations to hide money that he did not report to the irs. this is very key evidence, the government says, to this trial,
wolf. as you point out, his trial gets under way with jury selection tomorrow in suburban virginia outside washington, d.c. what can we expect? i tell you what not to expect. we re not expecting the word russia, collusion, probably hardly even hearing the name of president trump in this trial. the government and the defense have both agreed that they re going to keep this focused on bank fraud, tax charges. look, this is a tall order for manafort. this is an up hill climb for them. he either filed paperwork saying he owned these bank accounts or he did not, and what we know is he did not. what we expect is that manafort s team will say look, these accounts didn t belong to him, so this is why the government s evidence which is going to show all the work he was doing and why he was getting paid in these foreign locations is very important. so we expect three weeks of trial, wolf, and again, a lot of this will be squarely focused on
tax and bank fraud charges. remember, manafort also faces charges here in washington, d.c. that one has a lot more to do with the allegations that he was working for the ukrainian government and failed to register as a foreign agent, even as he was working for the trump campaign. let s not forget, the president as the candidate picked manafort to be his campaign chairman. evan perez, thank you very much. phil, what does this tell you about how robert mueller and his team are working? this is like for a former prowrestling fan, steel cage. no one walks out without blood on them. what s happening, you saw this with guiliani, the president will try to say the only issue on the table is russia. all this stuff about lying to federal investigators and this stuff about money is a side show. what the government is saying is look, when we started doing the investigation this isn t about a few thousand bucks, this isn t about change you shake out of
the sofa, you re talking about somebody with $60 million of income and didn t declare it. as they conduct the investigation, i think mueller is sitting here saying i followed the money and i had no option but to say it wasn t an insignificant amount. manafort was wildly in violation of the law. what s peculiar is even at this late stage, it is unclear what manafort s defense is at the trial. remember, rick gates who is with him every step of the way is going to be testifying that the whole thing was an illegal scam, tax avoidance, money laundering. what s the defense? rick gates is trying to save his own skin, but did he pay his taxes? i mean, what s the defense in the case? i don t know. if he s convicted, he s going to spend the rest of his life in jail given all of the charges leveled against him which is to me sort of surprising he didn t cooperate and say let s make a deal. yeah. i mean, this is in my opinion an incredibly strong case, a paper
case. i think jeff and phil asked the right question which is what is the defense, particularly where there s a cooperator that will say that was manafort s account. this strikes me as an incredible difficult case for manafort to beat, and when you talk about paper cases, you follow the money and the trail and you have a criminal prosecution that more often than not is successful. as to the time, i mean, each count can be up to 30 years. he is looking at a lot of exposure in federal prison for a conviction. by the way, it is in alexandria known as the rocket docket. they say it will take three weeks. bet it will take two rather than three. things go very fast in that courthouse. and this is focused on tax and bank fraud, things that occurred before he was campaign chairman for president trump, but it puts the focus back on the special counsel and investigation and robert mueller, that will be played out on television which we know the
president watches frequently day after day after day. it is only going to bring that up and in fewer raate him in fewer ate him more. he said what manafort did was a long time ago. has nothing to do with me. what it has to do with him is the obvious, he was his campaign chair at a critical juncture in the campaign. someone who had been a long term fixture in republican politics, and as jeffrey was saying, there s certainly not an obvious defense for what he did in his consulting practice. then you have all these dashed lines to his business ties overseas with prorussian, ukrainian government forces. this is another dash line to the russian investigation. doesn t prove he is guilty of anything, but makes it clear why it is being investigated. let s button up what happened to you last week at the white house. you were the network pool
reporter at an event, asked important questions, the president didn t want to answer, that was fine, you left. then you were told you can t go to an open event in the rose garden because they didn t like the questions you were asking. what s been the fallout since then? well, that s right. the white house received a lot of backlash from other reporters because i was there representing all negotiatitworks. i went in today representing all of the networks. i asked questions and they said he wouldn t answer them because he already had a press conference earlier. we re going to continue to ask the president questions, that s our job, that s what we do day-in and day-out. clearly the cohen stuff is consuming the president and he is quite angry about, that s what we asked about in the oval office last week. you can see that s showing you and revealing to you the president s mindset on all of this. and just how angry he is over what his former attorney, long
time friend and fixer has said about him. the president s frustration is really coming through in regards to all of the questions. you re doing an excellent job for cnn and all of the networks. we re grateful to have you. thanks so much for doing that, give her a round of applause. doing a great job. taking a quick break. more news after this. before you can achieve a higher standard of craftsmanship, you need a higher standard of craftsman. see for yourself at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. lease the 2018 es 350 for $329 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. (burke) so we know how to cover almost anything.en almost everything even vengeful vermin. not so cute when they re angry. and we covered it. talk to farmers.
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breaking news tonight. president trump doubling down on his threat to shut down the federal government if congress doesn t bow to his border security immigration demands, including funding for his border wall with mexico. sunlen serfaty is on capitol hill. republicans control congress, the house and the senate. the prospect of a government shutdown before midterm elections must be rattling a lot of nerves there. reporter: certainly is, it is not what republican leaders want or expected. one republican senator telling me moments ago this would be a big mistake if it happens. it is not at all necessary. but here you have the president of the united states throwing a wrench into his own party s plan by threatening the potential shutdown and essentially throwing this place into a state of uncertainty. you had speaker of the house paul ryan and mitch mcconnell who headed to the white house last week to meet with president trump on this very issue, and both of those leaders left that
meeting with confidence that this could be avoided, that they felt president trump would sign a short term measure, even if it didn t include money for his border wall, even if it didn t include these other broader immigration reforms that he has been calling for. so what we saw from republican leaders responding to the threat downplay the significance of this presidential tweet and then his threat that he doubled down on today, saying that they re going to continue on with their own plans to pass as so many spending bills before the midterm elections as possible, avoiding a shutdown. this is something we saw echoed from mitch mcconnell on the senate floor earlier today. we ll finish up the set of appropriation measures. we ve been considering for several days and take four more big steps toward our goal of completing our regulation appropriations process and funding the government in a timely and orderly manner. reporter: now, keep in mind, president trump has made similar threats before, back earlier this year he ended up, indeed,
signing a spending bill that would fund the government until september, but he made comments in march saying, look, he was very unhappy that the money that was not included for the border wall he wants. he says then that this is something that he would not do again. there are a lot of things that i m unhappy about in this bill. there are a lot of things that we shouldn t have had in this bill but we were in a sense forced if we want to build our military, we were forced to have. there are some things that we should have in the bill, but i say to congress, i will never sign another bill like this again. i m not going to do it again. reporter: the timeline of this potentially new threat is certainly important here as well. the government is set to run out of money at the end of the day on september 30th. that seems like a far away off, but it most certainly is not because the house just went on a five-week recess. when they get back in early september, that only gives them
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we re following breaking news. the giant wildfire raging in northern california. the numbers are growing grimmer tonight, including the lives lost and homes destroyed. cnn s nick watts is in redding, california, for us. what s the latest that you re seeing there? reporter: well, wolf, there are more than a dozen wildfires blazing in california right now, but this is the biggest, more than 700 homes destroyed so far in the redding area. redding s police chief lost his own home sunday. he is back at work. this is all hands on deck. this fire is leaving a trail of destruction, devastation and heartbreak. one of the most destructive fires to ever burn in california, 150 square miles, an
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east coast, president donald trump has a busy week ahead of him. on monday he s expected to take questions from reporters in a joint news conference with the visiting prime minister of italy. mr. trump will likely be asked about his latest twitter rant against the special counsel, robert mueller. the president now claiming mueller has multiple conflicts of interest in the russia investigation. in addition to that, there are still questions about the tapes the president s former attorney just released as well as mr. trump s threat to shut down the government to get funding for his border wall that he said mexico would pay for but in fact he means the taxpayers will pay for. cnn s boris sanchez is traveling with the president, or he was in new jersey. he has more on mr. trump s twitter tirade. that s hard to say. reporter: cnn has reached out to the white house to get clarity on specifically what president trump was referencing when he mentioned business conflicts with the special counsel robert mueller. we have yet to hear back. but previous reporting may indicate what the president was talking about here. earlier this year the
washington post and the new york times separately reported that the president had privately expressed frustration with what he sees as conflicts of interest with robert mueller rooted in what he believes are unpaid dues that robert mueller owed his golf club in virginia. a spokesperson for the special counsel at the time responded to the washington post saying that those claims being made by president trump were inaccurate. of course the broader context here is that reporting came out when the new york times published that four sources had told them that president trump tried to fire robert mueller last year and that in that process he expressed his frustration to don mcgahn, the white house counsel. don mcgahn refused to carry out that order to fire mueller. in fact, he threatened to resign according to sources. at that point president trump backed off of his decision to try to fire mueller. now he s obviously frustrated again, tweeting out some of his
most direct attacks on the special counsel. the backdrop of that of course is this bombshell reporting. sources close to michael cohen, the president s former attorney, saying he is prepared to testify to the special counsel that president trump approved that june 2016 meeting between his son donald trump jr., other members of his campaign, and russian nationals, promising dirt on hillary clinton. it also comes on the heels of the release of that secret recording made by michael cohen of a conversation that he had with president trump. rudy giuliani, the president s relatively new attorney, talked about those recordings this weekend, suggesting that they had been tampered with or doctored. listen to this. he abruptly ended that recording as soon as the president said the word check. we are now what we re investigating is why did how did that happen? what actually did happen? what was eliminated? and then he s got to raise that question with every one of these
tapes, how many of them did he play around with. we have determined the fact that he tampered with the fact in the sense that he abruptly mid-conversation turned it off. now, we know he didn t do that for a good reason. reporter: the president and his legal team strategy here is clear. they want to question the credibility not only of michael cohen, who just a few months ago they referred to as an honorable man, but also the veracity of the recordings that he made. boris sanchez, cnn, traveling with the president just outside bedminster, new jersey. boris, with the report,thank you. and now dlooipthser with scott lucas. scott a professor of international politics at the university of birmingham live this hour in birmingham, england. a pleasure to have you on the show with us. look, we understand the publisher of the new york times told the president his attacks on the media were divisive and dangerous. the president then on twitter airing out his typical grade school name calling. nothing new to that. but noteworthy to point out he is leaning into these media attacks more as we get closer to the mid-terms. how will that play beyond mr.
trump s base as people now see the president s playbook? we ve got two fronts going on, george. one that boris sanchez referred to is the trump russia investigation. and this is not just a question of questioning the credibility of the former lawyer michael cohen or the credibility of special counsel robert mueller. trump and his camp have to destroy the credibility of those men and possibly others to keep the investigation from closing and possibly bringing the president down. but the second front of course, as you mentioned, is the election front. we are now just about three months away from the congressional mid-terms. and amongst the tweets yesterday donald trump was also tweeting about immigration. and what is quite clear is that the trump campaign is going to double down on zero tolerance on immigration despite the separation of children from parents. it s going to double down on the idea that the media is their enemy and they hope the combination of those attacks on journalists and focusing on
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actually take over and bring him down. as the relationship continues to unravel between michael cohen and donald trump and we re seeing their legal team, scott, no longer sharing information, there s also the issue around allen weisselberg being subpoenaed. weisselberg, the chief financial officer of the trump foundation. this is the man who knows all of the financial inner workings. how big of a risk could this be to trump world? how big is a mountain? or rather several mountains. just to repeat to viewers, this is now three interlinked investigations. one is around the trump campaign. the second is around the workings of the trump organization including before the campaign. that s why michael cohen is so important. and the third is the trump foundation. and money which was supposedly spent, supposed to go to charity but there are question marks. and that s why allen weisselberg is so important. i m not saying that this necessarily means the end of donald trump, but what it means is this is more than simply now an issue of one particular
russian hacker. and on top of this remember one other thing, george. the trial of paul manafort, trump s former campaign manager, starts this week and goodness knows what comes out of that. it will be interesting. that case certainly focused on bank and tax crimes. financial fraud. but you know, not connected to the trump camp, mr. trump directly, but the question is how will that impact paul manafort with the bigger investigation playing out? scott lucas, thank you so much for your time today. we ll stay in touch with you. thank you. in a few hours the trump administration is facing another reunification deadline order by a judge. we re talking about what s going on at the border. this time the administration has to provide a list to the american civil liberties union detailing the migrant children it has reunited with their meantime, president trump is returning to a central campaign issue that fired up his base in 2016. his promise to build a border wall. we are going to build a great
on the impact of president trump s zero tolerance policy, we ve learned no two family stories are the same. but there have been some common threads among them. that of confusion and frustration. at times chaos and incredible challenges in communication. the story that best encapsulates where we are today, though, is that of a woman we ll call alejandra. about a month and a half ago she and her 6-year-old daughter crossed the u.s. border. they had fled their home country of honduras because of the gang violence there. when they crossed the border, they were detained and separated. 11 days ago alejandra was told that she would be reunited with her daughter later that day, given her paperwork for release. but that never happened. as of today she continues to sit in a detention facility in texas. her daughter remains in new york. and as alejandra asks questions, as she sits in limbo, here s what she says she s told. translator: the first thing that i ask is always, do you know when will be, my girl will be brought here so she can be reunified with me? and they tell me, no, i don t know anything, they say to me. reporter: alejandra s daughter s attorney has been
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the president has adopted a view with which i completely agree. he s a free trader. and he wants to have no tariff. kudlow claims president trump is trying to fix a completely broken world trading system. a ferocious wildfire tears through northern california. firefighters may have finally turned a corner in containing it. but the tragedy continues as people have lost their lives. he said come get me. he said come and get me. the fire s coming in the back door. come on, grandpa. i said i m right down the road. it s a very emotional story. it will stick with you. cnn speaks with a man who lost his wife and great grandchildren in one of those raging wildfires in california. stay with us. my name is jeff sheldon,
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the fire was just intense. but i still tried to get down in there and they come and stopped me, wouldn t let me go down in there. so i got in my car and took off and passed everybody in the dirt and went all the way around to the other end of quartz hill and come up keswick, and my son was in there. he was up there, but i didn t see him. he was up there and then gary, my son, was on the other side of the house. and gary opened the door to go run to the house and it burned his hair off. and took his breath. so he got back in the car and then he couldn t even hardly see nothing for smoke to get out of there. his house was on fire. he said there was flames probably 70 feet high. i talked to junior on the phone till he died. he just kept saying, grandpa. he said, come and get me. the fire s coming in the back door. come on, grandpa.
i said, i m right down the road. he said, come get us. emily said, i love you, grandpa. he says i love you grandpa. and junior says i love you, come and get us, come and get us. i said i m on my way. i said he talked until he died. i tried to call him back, and it just went to nothing. poor babies and my wife. just so, so sad. the poor man. heart goes out to him. ed bledsoe said nobody really talked to them about evlacuatin. he said his wife called 911 and they told her someone would come get her. well, firefighters have been fighting uncooperative weather since they ve been trying to contain this fire. that isn t the only obstacle facing these fire crews. one danger sen tirely manmade. drones. we have noticed that there are drone footages online of
folks flying drones over this fire. that poses a huge safety risk to our folks. if you fly, we cannot. we have to ground all of our aircraft if there s reports of drones over the fire. and it s quite a process to get our aircraft back in the area as we try to clear those drones, find out where they re coming from, and chase that down. so we ask that you please remain from flying drones over the fire. let s bring in bus foozzfeed reporter brianna sacks. brianna following the story in redding, california. thank you so much for taking time with us there. tell us about the situation, the conditions as they stand now. as people say this is one of the worst fires they ve seen before. the temperature there, the conditions on the ground. what are you seeing? sure. so what s interesting is they
keep saying we ve been dealing with over the past almost year that each one is unprecedented in its conditions, its behavior, its pattern. so we ve been at triple-digit temperatures for the past few days here, and that s supposed to remain until i think tomorrow morning or maybe tuesday. and we re going to get some but the thing is it s hot, it s dry. the winds are erratic. and it s giving firefighters trouble in terms of trying to actually hold the line. they re still very much in the saving residents and homes phase. that s why the amount of acreage has jumped up. we re at a little above 95,000 now, the latest numbers released at 8:00 p.m. tonight. but the good news is it did jump to 17% containment and it had been hovering at 5% for the past few days. and every bit of, you know,
acreage that they re able to contain, that is good news, and we appreciate you sharing that information with us. but i want to press further with the firefighters themselves. we re seeing an image right now, and now we re seeing the flames they re dealing with. but talk to us about what a day s work must mean for them. you re talking about men and women putting their lives on the line for sure. dealing with some really long days and nights. yeah. i actually just got a story out on this. so these firefighters, many of them have been constantly on these unprecedented blazes for, you know, months on end and they just from incident to incident. they re out on these lines for like sometimes 24, 48 hours at a time. they come back, they get a few hours of shuteye, and then they re back out again. and you know, they go for about like maybe two or three weeks without seeing their kids and they tell me that when they
do have a break it s usually about two days, which is really not a lot of time to recharge. you know, one firefighter said to me, i was like oh, how do you deal with, you know, kind of the emotional toll? and he s like oh, i don t have time to have feelings. it gets in the way of the job. so it s they re stretched. just like the state s resources. they re putting everything they have into these fires, and they just keep getting more and more destructive and more frightening. and now i d like to talk about the people there. this area just to the west of the city of redding, so many roads closed there, so many new communities being threatened. what is the situation with making sure people evacuate in time and also making sure people get that message clearly and in time to take action? yeah. so alerting residents has kind of been an ongoing hot topic of
conversation with the fires now because you know, they do destroy cell towers and the way that people really get the word out is when police are knocking at their door. i went home with one man today who lost his home. he was saying they were kind of just waiting around for police officers to come and get them. they were trusting that. but the fire moved so fast that a literal firenado he called it was at his door in a matter of minutes. so alerting residents has become a very difficult thing because the fire is moving so fast. what they keep saying is the speed at which the flames move is really, really unprecedented. so it s hard to get the word out. all these people are upset. they re like why didn t they tell us sooner? but they re kind of trying to roll with it as much as the residents are.
it s really like i haven t really found a good answer for that unless they evacuate large swaths of the population days in advance. and that creates chaos as well. so it s tough. brianna sacks, i m sure you heard that story just a few minutes ago of ed bledsoe talking about the fact his wife called 911 and they told her that someone would get her. so certainly the evacuation word getting that out very important. thank you for your time today. we ll keep in touch with you. no problem. well, the good news is the fire went from 5% contained to 17% contained, and we ll see if the weather s going to get any better. pedram javaheri s here with more about it. hi, pedram. hi, guys. it is going to improve a little bit. we ll see temps cool off a little bit. that certainly is going to help the firefighting efforts. the winds hopefully will die down. triple-digit heat still in the forecast the next couple days. unfortunately no rain.
you go into this area and the explosive growth of the fire is remarkable. consuming over 140 square miles of land or about 95 acres of land. that s equivalent to the size of manhattan six times over. that happening in a matter of days in this area. we ve had very gusty winds that haven t helped the situation. take you above the earth, satellite footage. air quality concerns have been very poor with the containment bumped up to 17%. we re expected to make some ground over this region in the next couple of days. unfortunately, the drought situation hasn t helped. you know, we often say about 90% of all wildfires start because of manmade issues, manmade cause, whether to be a vehicle parked on the side of the road, sparks, ignites from the bottom of the vehicle, or cigarette butts are thrown or it s a campfire that s left on. that s kind kind of a scenario that s impacted much of the western u.s. this year and with this particular fire the car fire happening because of a
vehicle that was malfunctioning, parked off the side of the road. the dry grass set ablaze there. of course the landscape doesn t help. very elevated terrain, hilly terrain across this region, that helps to exacerbate the situation, and we often say the fire speed tends to double with every 10 degree increase in slope. if you ve got a 30 degree slope, 24-mile-per-hour winds, take that up to a 40 degree slope you actually double your wind speed and the fire travels in the same general direction as well, upwards of 48 miles per hour. this is what s made this fire so difficult to be able to contain over this region. but hopefully the next few days bring better news, guys. hope so. pedram, thanks. thank you, pedram. as the u.s. president starts his monday, he will have a sympathetic voice next to him. we look ahead at the italian prime minister and donald trump, who may just be kindred spirits. also ahead, malaysia releases a new report on missing flight mh-370. we ll go live to the region. stay with us.
mr. mugabe ruled the country for 37 years. and now he says he will not vote for his former party. instead he s suggesting he supports the opposition. the publisher of the new york times says that he urged the u.s. president to ease up on his criticism of the media. the two met earlier this month. the publisher described mr. trump s language as divisive and general, though the president continues to attack the media 37. and president trump also fired off a number of tweets monday slamming special counsel robert mueller. he claims mueller has a conflict of interest because they once had a contentious business relationship. he didn t elaborate. and mr. trump again railed against the russia investigation, calling it an illegal scam. the president will begin the week meeting with one european leader who shares many of his views. that is the prime minister of italy. at the white house later monday. delia gallagher reports the two men agree on immigration restrictions and the desire for closer ties to russia.
reporter: president trump may see some european countries as foes, but in italy s prime minister giuseppe conte he s got a friend. the new prime minister of italy is great. got to meet him. very strong on immigration. like i am, by the way. reporter: closing ports and borders to illegal immigrants is one area where trump and italy see eye to eye. italy s interior minister mateo salvini visited the president in 2016 on the campaign trail and ripped more than a few pages out of trump s playbook for his own election campaign, even the winning slogan, italians first. [ speaking foreign language ]. reporter: more than 600,000 refugees, most from north africa, have landed in italy in recent years, but in june more than 600 refugees at sea were turned away from italy. salvini was defiant.
they will only see italy on a postcard, he said. they were eventually accepted in spain. professor fred riggo argintieri says the government is similar to trump s in random decision making and an apparent incoherent plan. trump has understood or at least he s being told that italy must be coddled, so to speak, because it s so far the only real similarity in western europe. reporter: although italy has refused trump s request to give more money to nato, they re behind the president in his support of vladimir putin. prime minister conte tweeted i agree with the president. russia should be back in the g8. mateo salvini s made no secret of his admiration for putin, calling him one of the best politicians of our time and publishing a photo on facebook wearing a putin t-shirt in moscow s red square. italy s government coalition received 69% of the vote in march elections, but not all
italians agree with their leaders support of president trump. sabrina, legal assistant in rome, says trump hasn t made the best impression, or bella figura, internationally, especially separating immigrant children from their families. bella figura or not, in italy s prime minister trump has a friend in europe. something hard to come by these days. delia gallagher, cnn, rome. for many years now mh-370 families have waited for answers. many refuse to give up hope of finding their loved ones alive. others just want closure. now the malaysian government is releasing a new report on the lost flight. it held a news conference to explain its findings. 239 people were on board that flight when it took off from kuala lumpur in march 2014. it never reached its destination, beijing. the plane s ultimate fate
remains a mystery still today. let s go to cnn s will ripley. he s live from hong kong. hello to you, will. what we re learning about this report, is there any significant new information? reporter: sadly, natalie, and you know, i remember march 8th, 2014 like it was yesterday. it was my first assignment for cnn, covering the missing plane. and for weeks on end we stood there at the airport in kuala lumpur and then we moved to australia where they were centering the search operations. and there was so much hope in the beginning that they would find the plane, that they would detect some sort of a signal from the plane. they were confident. and here we are now more than four years later and there is this report. 495 pages released with absolutely no clues as to what may have happened. what investigators have been able to rule out is any obvious signs of anxiety or mental issues on the part of the pilot and the first officer. they ve ruled out any speculation that the pilot s flight simulator at home which showed he had plotted a course,
a simulated course toward the southern indian ocean which is where mh-370 is believed to have crashed according to the best guess of investigators, looking at radar and satellite imagery and whatnot. they say that s not enough to prove that he intended to fly the plane deliberately. but of course his family has had to live for 4 1/2 years with this kind of cloud of suspicion over them. all of the passengers, 227 passengers, 12 crew members, they looked meticulously at the backgrounds of everybody on the plane. no indication that anybody would have been capable of pulling off something like this although investigators can t rule out somebody perhaps breaking into the cockpit, switching off the communication systems and turning that plane around right after it checked in at way point igari and of course took the plane on that fateful presumed flight to the southern indian ocean. there have been three confirmed pieces of debris from mh-370, three pieces of the wing that washed up along the african east coast. but another 27 pieces of debris have been found that are believed to be highly likely from mh-370 as far north as the eastern coast of tanzania and as
far south as the east coast of south africa. and yet you have all these little pieces of debris but they haven t found the plane itself, the main wreckage which of course is the final resting place for those 239 people. so for all of these families that have lived in a state of limbo ever since that day, march 8th, 2014, it seems sad that that state of not knowing is going to continue for the foreseeable future. that has to be really a living hell for these families and certainly we remember you starting to work for cnn at that time and all your reporting, will ripley, for us in hong kong. thank you, will. well, there s a critical moment for the future of zimbabwe ahead. it s the country s first election since former president robert mugabe was ousted. but he s not going quietly, taking a jab at his former party. we ll have that story for you coming up next here. can you think of anything more important than your brain? your mind is an incredible machine, but as you get older, it begins to slow down.
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a historic election. it is the first time in 37 years that ousted former president robert mugabe is not on the ballot. mugabe resigned last november under military threat. he s been rarely seen in public until now. and in a surprise intervention mugabe turned his back on the party he helped to create and instead appeared to support the main opposition. our farai sevenzo has more from harare. sbzimbabwe s capital harare s gripped by election fever this last weekend. the city bhecame a tale of two political rallies. campaigning ended saturday for the first election since robert mugabe resigned under the threat of impeachment last november. he had been in power for 37 years. followers of the opposition mdc alliance gathered to hear from their leader nelson chamisa. around the same time zanu-pf supporters of the ruling party once led by mugabe came to hear
from their man, current president emerson mnangagwa. with a record 23 presidential candidates mugabe suddenly appeared on people s tv screens. he called a press conference not to praise the new dispensation but to put one more knife in his back. i cannot vote for those who have tormented me. no. i can t. i will make any choice among the other 22. reporter: zanu-pf s candidate immediately released a video addressing the mugabe intervention. now that it is clear to all that chamisa has forged a deal with mugabe, we can no longer believe that his intentions are to transform zimbabwe. reporter: the man at the center of mugabe s dubious
praise drew dramatic crowds to his final rally. as you can see the numbers have been absolutely massive at nelson chamisa s numbers. whether these numbers in a sea of red will translate into a majority of the vote come monday is anybody s guess. reporter: i wanted to know from the opposition supporters what they would do if their man lost these elections. translator: if chamisa loses it means they will have cheated him. we do not want to be continually intimidated. we are tired and we don t want any more. reporter: the zanu-pf faithful were awaiting their leader. the one who fought for our country. isn t he too old? after five years he ll be 80 years old. he s not old. we need his maturity. reporter: cnn caught up with the leader on the last day of campaigning. maturity s not a creature of age. maturity s a creature of your ideas. mugabe was known to be a man who
was not willing to open the doors of democracy. but mnangagwa s west because he s sophisticated. he was in government for those years. you can t tell me he was born again. when was he born again? reporter: the task of rebuilding zimbabwe will be a tough one. the hope is the country will not go up in flames, whoever wins. let s discuss what will be a major test of zimbabwe s democracy with our farai sevenzo joining us via skype live from the capital city of harare. from your report it is quite clear. this is an important shift, seeing mr. mugabe support the opposition. well, yes. it can be seen that way, george. but bear in mind, this is a man who s never really seen in public life anymore. in fact, he s become a bit of an irrelevan irrelevance. but he has the xaflt in mr. mnangagwa s new dispensation to simply call a press conference, and of course being who he is
everybody will rush to listen to him. those words that came out yesterday are really aimed at the man who took over power from him. he s saying in no uncertain ways that he does not want to support the people who treated him so badly. now, whether or not that will make any difference, no one knows what power base he has anymore. and it is because of mr. mnangagwa s very open kind of freedom of speech, freedom of worship, anyone can say what they want, but he s able to call an impromptu press conference like that. now, the most important thing about his words, where does it put mr. chamisa on voting day? he s being accused now by all the local papers, especially the state papers, of holding hands with mr. mugabe. some even go as far as to say that his campaign was fund by the mugabes. of course none of this this is all fabrication. no one has been able to put any single center or dollar trail to the doors of the mdc but it does
make a difference to the campaign style. having said, that this is by far, george, the most peaceful election this country has seen in a long, long time. the crowds we saw, the crowds you just witnessed, were all passing each other without throwing stones at each other or without any sort of malicious intent. so as far as the voting that will happen this day, it remains to be seen whether the people will still feel free to make their choice democratically. and let s talk just a bit about that. what this election means, this changing of the guard with mr. mugabe not on the ballot this time. it is a striking difference from your reporting, from what we ve seen before within that nation. it was a very different situation for people under mr. mugabe, as it is now. well, yes indeed. you remember those chaotic and euphoric scenes back in november. they seem to have ushered in a new era of, az ss i say, openne
and debates. the mud slinging that went on in the last 24 hours with mr. mugabe throwing daggers at the back of mr. mnangagwa by saying he cannot support a party that treated him so badly, these are the first signs we ve seen of such badmouthing and ill intent. but it s absolutely true, george, as you say. it is a new era of campaigning as well as of democracy. let s see what the results bring and who will accept defeat with the most grace. farai sevenzo live for us in hara harare, zimbabwe. thank you for your time today. and up next britain battles fake news. lawmakers are setting their sights on social media companies to stop the spread of misinformation. ahh. summer is coming.
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valley. this 89-page report released sunday by a british parliamentary committee. the report called on companies like facebook, twitter, and youtube to face financial and legal liability when they fail to police fake news on their prafrm plafrmds. we have to create this sense of liability for them that if you don t proactively look for and monitor harmful content and classify real hard fake news, real lies being spread during an election as harmful content, if you don t identify that and the sources of it then you can be liable for the information having been spread. i think if we introduce that liability into law we ll see them take it more seriously. reporter: the committee recommended new taxes on social media companies and stiff fines when they promote political ads that lack transparency. the tech companies are saying themselves they want to give more transparency. what we could do is write it into our laws. reporter: if adopted, the recommendations would radically change the way tech companies are treated in the uk. less like passive platforms and more like publishers. i think that it is inevitable
that there will need to be some regulation. reporter: but british lawmakers said they weren t satisfied with efforts by social media companies to regulate themselves. what they do is they pre-empt regulation. they don t like being regulated. if they think the threat of regulation is we will they will try to solve the problem. reporter: the committee which has been working closely with members of the u.s. congress also proposed measures to combat election interference. and it slams facebook in particular for failing to fully investigate how and if russia uses its platform to influence voters. in a statement to cnn facebook said, the committee has raised some important issues. we share the goal of ensuring that political advertising is fair and transparents and that electoral rule changes are needed. we will work closely with the uk government as we develop these new transparency tools. zplt chief executive, mark zuckerberg, is $16 billion poorer than when he woke up this morning. reporter: last week the stock prices of facebook and twitter
each fell almost 20% after both companies said they were spending heavily to combat misinformation and clean up fake accounts on their platforms. you look to the near future, and the problem is probably going to get worse. using virtual reality, augmented reality techniques you can already create a fake speech given by someone in a place they never were to an audience they never met and pass it off as real and share that online. now, we re going to need the help of the tech companies to stop that sort of information spreading, otherwise that could have a real outcome on elections in the future. reporter: big tech s willingness to help out will surely be tested now that regulation is growing closer to becoming law. samuel burke, cnn, london. sam, thank you. it was one of the biggest stories in the year on the korea. peninsula. so it s only fitting that one south korea s hottest stars is offering his take on it.
k-pop star big bang tackles the summit between president trump and north korean kim jong un in the video for the song where are you from. it has already had more than 2.5 million views on youtube since it was released last week. thanks for watching cnn newsroom. early start is next for viewers here in the u.s. and for viewers around the world our colleague max foster picks up newsroom live in london. you re watching cnn, the world s news leader. see you later. . . . .

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