willingness to negotiate. he has done it with democrats saying is he too eager to negotiate. we are not going to negotiate under the threat of further harm to our economy and middle class families. the president had us all down to the white house last week. only to remind me that he was not going to negotiate. we re not going to negotiate under the threat of a prolonged shutdown. the president s refusal to negotiate is hurting our economy and putting our country at risk. we re not going to negotiate under the threat of economic catastrophe. he know what is my phone number is is all he has to do is call. greta: senate majority leader harry reid calling for civility in congress and now hiding behind a hatchet man. spokesperson issuing a statement blasting house speaker john boehner saying he has a credibility problem and refuses to come to grips with reality. former congressman allen west joins us. nice to see you, sir. it s a pleasure. thanks for having me on your brand new show 7:00. it is awesome. greta: it is awesome. check out the set. not so fun what s going on on capitol hill. sure. greta: i should add speaker boehner s spokesperson fake outrage and refusing to negotiate. but, where is all the civility? well, the civility is lost because, really people are playing politics with the american people. and no one is sitting down to try to solve this. let s go back and think about when bill clinton was president and newt gingrich was the speaker of the house. guess what happened? they had welfare reform. they had social security reform. they cut the growth of government. as a matter of fact, bill clinton in his state of the union address said the era of big government is over. he was able to create a surplus. greta: what s the difference now. really dug his heels in. he is almostens transjent. what his legacy to be: when i look at the affordable care act: it should apply to all people. all americans. they there should not be waivers and exemptions there should not be delays. it should be across the board. it s my big point of contention. if it s going to stand it will stand or fall on its own. if you are focused on that being your legacy instead of looking at when you came into office it was 10.7 trillion in debt and now we are talking about going over 17 trillion, i don t think the president wants his legacy to be that he amassed more debt in his term two terms as president than all previous presidents put together. does he lose something if he he negotiates that will put it off for a year, while we sort of tinker with it and try figure out how to fix any of the sort of the problems that might exist and does he lose? well, i don t think it s about and does that matter? it should not matter about him losing. it s about what s best for this country. and when you continue to look at where we are going as far as our debt and as far as our deficit. we have got to fix this thing. you can t continue to kick it downtown road. so at some point in time we have to stop borrowing money. now, every dollar in washington, d.c. is not equal. we have to prioritize our spending. one of the things did i was wrote a letter to hall rogers chairman of the senate appropriations committee. why don t we have tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 spending levels in appropriations bills. we should be passing those things as they come up in priority instead of waiting until the end of the year and you get this massive omnibus bill that says we are going to fund everything. that nobody reads. not a single soul. we just found out that 800,000 federal government employees were classified as nonessential. what does that say? it just says ha this thing that we call the federal government has grown leaps and bounds out of control. greta: i first heard your name probably the first or second month you were in congress. and you found 30 marc mezvinsky of waste or something is that what you found? yes, department of defense budget. greta: department of defense budget and you got everybody to agree with you. 393 to 0. greta: that s the last time $30 million is a lot of money. may not be in the trillions but it s a lot of money. yeah. greta: why is there no appetite to dig through and find that money? i cannot understand it or explain it if you think that every single member of congress over there just went and said i m going to find 15 to $30 million of wasteful spending in programs what would happen for this federal government? what would happen far our economy? my big fear is that we don t really have a functioning economy. we have a artificial economy. we stop printing money what s going to happen? if we don t turn around this out-of-control spending up here in washington, d.c., what s going to happen? if anything should come out of these negotiations and eventually they need to be negotiations, we really need to have. we need to have monetary policy reform. do the the republicans have any responsibility in the stalemate? everyone has responsibility up here. greta: how do you get the republicans to sort of come off their position or, to you know, do what we have got to get both republicans and the democrats to somehow come off their fixedosition maybe not fixed position at least talk to each other. that s the most important thing, i believe that the republicans need to do a better job of articulating policy and what it means for the long term for american people and hard working american families out there. i think the democrats have to get away from this playing politics where they are concerned about, you know, we want to win back the house. we want to make sure we keep the senate so that the president s last two years can be like his first two years. they have got to come together and understand what s best for the american people not best for the political party. i spoke up in delaware last week. george washington s farewell address talked about the danger of political factions. that s exactly where we are today. greta: how do we get them to stop worrying about politics? only the american people can do that. the american people have to want honest brokers to come up here and will say the things that they need to hear. not the things that they want to hear. and be willing and we need to have people that look, did it hurt losing congressional race? yeah. can i look myself in the mirror and say i have never lied to my constituents and did i everything that i probably could do for the betterment of their lives. greta: i must admit i m appalled at senator harry reid who came out swinging and said nasty things calling the tea party people or other side more so than the republicans have ever done. he has really come out. strapping bombs on the chest of arsonists. greta: he said he was going to be civil spokesperson blasts speaker boehner. fails to come to grips with reality. is he extension of the senate majority leader. and, you know, if he worked for me, he work for me tonight. he speaks on behalf of the senate majority leader. he said he was going to be civil. so is his staff. that s true. that s just the same as your public affairs officer. if you are a commander in the military. that person is going out. greta: why doesn t that happen? this is a a different beast up here. i do not understand why washington, d.c. is not concerned about working together for the betterment of the american people. and, like i said, if bill clinton and newt gingrich could do it, and created a surplus, reform welfare, reform social security, then why can t we do it today? greta: good question. congressman, thank you. thank you. greta: straight ahead in saturday s g.o.p. address john cornyn insisting the obama administration thinks the shutdown is good politics. why does he say that? senator cornyn goes on the record next. donald trump and bill o reilly both here. what would they do about the government shutdown. trump and o reilly will both tell you coming up. guess who is calling? each night each this week we will take a call from a famous surprise caller. i have absolutely no idea who is calling me. this is the on the record staff that cooked up this thing. you will find out who is on the line when i do. can t miss this. fighting constipation by eating healthier, drinking plenty of water, but still not getting relief? try dulcolax laxative tablets. dulcolax is comfort-coated for gentle, over-night relief. dulcolax. predictable over-night relief you can count on. was a truly amazing day.ey, without angie s list, i don t know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. for over 18 years we ve helped people take care of the things that matter most. join today at angieslist.com take it you are not too impressed with the meeting last week at the white house where the president met with the four leaders? no. where he said to mitch mcconnell and john boehner and others that i m not negotiating. you know, this president is famous for wanting to go it alone. without congress or anyone else, but now he knows he can t. but he is unwilling to do his job, which is to work together with both houses of congress and try to break this impasse. greta: is he working with senate majority leader harry reid? they certainly are saying the same thing but do you think they are working together on this? absolutely. as a matter of fact, you you probably saw the same reports i did where the president was thinking about having a meeting of the leadership and then harry reid told him don t do it. i have got your back. i have got it under control. of course, everything the house has tried to float, to break this impasse, including eliminating the congressional carveout from obama care, eliminating the penalty for individuals for one year like the president has done for employers, those have been rejected. and, so that s why we are at this impasse. greta: i don t get i assume and correct me if i am wrong, the senator jordan leader party of the senate but also the leader of the senate. i assume he has some sort of job to try to get the two sides of the senate to get together. i don t see him does he ever reach out to the republicans on this? certainly not in this instance. i think they think they are winning. we saw that leap from unattributed white house source who said they think they are winning. if you look at the polls, i think unfortunately this is part of a cynical political game. and, unfortunately, the american people are the loser. so, we re better than this. i have every confidence we will get this done. but we are not going to give the president a clean debt ceiling increase. that s like maxing out your credit card. you haven t made any arrangements to pay your preexisting bill so you want to get some more credit so you can borrow some more money. that s a recipe for disaster for our country. greta: we are hearing in the senate. the senate majority leader harry reid intends to put that up this week a clean debt ceiling. that s what it is is looking like. greta: your response is what is going to happen with that? i hope and i expect that it s going to fail. and he greta: i think senator mark kirk who is a republican said he would vote for a clean debt ceiling. did i see that they re going to need to get six republicans to vote for a clean debt ceiling increase, which is basically saying we are not going to do anything to deal with $17 trillion in debt before we give the president another trillion dollars on this maxed out credit card without making arrangements for how are we going to pay what we already owe? completely irresponsible. so he needs five more. is he going to get five more? i don t believe so. stay tuned. greta: how about senator kirk? are you going to have a little conversation with him? i have a little chat with senator kirk and others and try to explain to him that we need to hold the line against this sort of irresponsible spending and debt. this is the fight for the future of our country and for our children. this is not a joke. it s not a reality game. this is the real deal. and while the continuing resolution is important, and the shutdown is certainly something we need to work through, the credit limit for the country is, i think the most important vote we are going to have this year. greta: with the exception of senator kirk, all republicans are in line with you. we will be talking about that more tomorrow. greta: all right, senator, always nice to see you, sir. thanks, greta. greta: coming up, new information that you have never seen before. photos from the u.s. terror raids in africa. lt. colonel oliver north is here next. two minutes, operations fast and furious. new trouble for the operation fast and furious whistleblower. what is is the atf trying to do to the whistleblower and why? greta: the atf agent to blue the whistle on fast and furious fighting a new battle. john doddson fighting the book.er the right to the atf saying no to the book. the account gives thousand esm from federal government helped sell thousands of guns to drug cartels. why is the atf denying right to publish? they say negative impact on morale. doddson s aclu lawyer says stomping on first amendment rights and saying the unarmed truth will come out in january with or without atf s permission. you be the judge. should they be granted the right to write the book yes or no. go to gretawire.com and vote in our poll. coming up in two minutes lt. colonel oliver north. never before seen photos from the commando raids in after from can a this weekend. that s next. birthday. turning 30 is rough, isn t it. first time i have been home for a birthday in 10 years. usually i m out there with those guys who conducted that special operation this past weekend. those raids, by the way, last weekend were, indeed, very special. the administration says it s a sign of success against al qaeda s core. the fact is the operation to grab abu al leany who planned those bombings in nairobi has been planning for well over a year. al leany was under surveillance for months. the three photographs that have not been seen elsewhere before one of overhead coverage. the other two ground surveillce coverage of the objective area. are well known to those who planned this operation. these photographs actually came from a senior former u.s. intelligence officer who is very familiar with this operation, which included fbi agents, similar to the operation we conducted back in the reagan administration the units had to get him out offshore, get him to u.s. territory. in this case a ship and get him directly back to the united states. the al shabaab kingpin, mohammed mohammed alleged to have planned last week attack in that nairobi mall is a different kettle of fish. when he we were in somalia during the spring of last year kinnian and ugandan troops from the south and ethiopian from the north all but disseminated al shabaab in somalia. the al shabaab attack was a desperation measure to prove that the organization still had credibility. i m told that the seal team operation to take out adeer mohammed was put together in less than 48 hours and the problem, of course, is that they found children on the objectives, decided to withdraw and pull back off the beach. they had come in from ships and they went back out to ships. greta? greta: yeah, ollie, in terms of the second one in somalia, it was just ill-conceived? did we go too soon? well, look it. we have got lousy humit. bill: by that you mean human intelligence? exactly. human intelligence has been almost nonexistent through much of this war. the drone killings that we have pursued so vigorously by the obama administration has produced very little or no useful human intelligence at all. there is going to be more of those kinds of attacks that are going to take place in places like yemen and pakistan. but it s also important to note that al leany has been wanted for more than 15 years. and no one involved in the killing of four americans in benghazi in the burning of our facility there has been apprehended yet. greta: you know what i actually like about the even though they retreated, i like the fact that they retreated before there was a problem and we didn t lose any navy seals or anyone else. i actually thought that was well-executed even though it was not successful. let me ask you one final question before you leave. fire away. greta: since it is your birthday, what do you want for your birthday. if everyone would help freeman alliance. help those particularly wounded and of course those kids who have lost a parent, loved one in the line of duty they get the scholarships from freedom alliance they can go to the freedom alliance web page or i think the web page is up on your site so they can go find it out there and make a contribution if they would, that would be a great, great birthday present. greta: indeed it, would colonel north, thank you, nice to see you. thank you. greta: up next, bill o reilly is here. we are kicking off the new fox news prime time, bill o reilly is next. you are about to hear from the driver behind the wheel in that terrifying race car crash. greta: get ready, a race car crash caught on camera, crane dangling above manhattan, get ready to speed read your way through the news. first on capitol hill, moments ago the house passing another mini spending bill. this one to fund parts of the fda for drug and drug inspections during the shutdown. the bill now goes to the senate. and in the war on terror, the al qaeda leader captured in libya could be brought to new york in just a few days. a new york grand jury has already indicted him in connection with a 1998 u.s. embassy bombing in africa. and to new york city, a scary, scary scene high above the skyline, a construction crane gets stuck dangling heavy load over the street. it s the same crane that collapsed during super storm sandy. it s a video you can t turn away from. and tonight, another motorcyclist facing charges and now famous road rage encounter with an suv. this biker flipping both middle fingers at photographers as he was hauled into a new york city court. and mexico, a monster truck goes out of control slamming into a crowd of spectators killing 8 people and injuring dozens more. and in texas, we are hearing from the race car driver who survived a terrifying crash at the houston grand prix. in a statement, darrio andretti saying thank you to everyone for you will a the well workers. they mean a lot it me. i would like to send my best to everyone in the accident hope everyone is all right. that s tonight s speed read. tonight we kick off the new prime time lineup and bill o reilly now follows us and bill o reilly joins us now. nice to see you, bill. bill: is it really, greta? is it nice to see me? nobody ever says that to me. i m happy to be your leadout. i am happy to be your leadout. well, we are i should say we are delighted to have you as our lead. you know what, bill, i know you can solve all the problems here in washington with this shutdown slow down debt ceiling. so tell me how would you solve it? well, the compromise that we put forth is one that s been in play that you delay the individual mandate for a year to iron out the kinks so that the folks can see exactly how this law is going to effect them direct whether i premiums, deductibles, co-pays, all of that they are not ready to go online with it anyway. you can t register. it s chaotic. doctors don t know what they are in for. so if somebody wants to sign up, they should be able to because it is the law of the land. i think president obama should give everybody the option and give everybody a break. greta: are you suggesting president obama is being stubborn about this that he should do that? and if so, how do you get him to come around to your viewpoint. yes, i am suggesting he is being stubborn and i o get him to come around to my viewpoint. maybe if you locked me and him in a room he would do it. he would just so desperate to get out of the room, but i have no idea. the republicans may be ready to take you up on this one. we are in a stalemate. the president and the republicans are not agreeing on any solution. i mean, do we just keep olympicing down the road until something implodes. we keep olympicing until pinheads wise up and start doing what s right for the folks instead of the power games. this is a power play now. both parties trying to destroy the other for the 2014 elections. you know, sooner or later the people are going to get very bored and annoyed with that we limp along until they wise up. and i can t really say any more than that. greta: who is getting hurt? the folks are getting hurt. because, whenever you have chaos in the federal government, stock markets down, people who depend on the federal government for not only direct checks but, you know, in restaurants and things like that, they are getting hurt. national parks, people are getting hurt. so, you know, it s going to have a depressing effect on the economy. for at least september and october. everybody eventually gets hurt because you need some kind of central force in the country. and the people who don t think we need a federal government, they are as crazy as the loons who want to be socialist. all i can say is this is about power. it s not about the people. all right. you you know, one of the things we were with the world war ii vets last week. they were laughing with the fact a barricade had been put around the monument after they scaled the cliffs at normandy and scaled the pacific. they laughed at it they don t think it s a big deal to be kept out of monuments. it certainly was a big deal to the american people. they don t like it. we also have to look at how the world is looking at at us with this problem. bill: i don t want to be disrespectful to president obama but i think the world sees us as a weak country now or weaker than we used to be. flawed, disorganized, divided, all of those things. and that is not going to help us going down the road. so, we are not in a good place in america right now. let s hope these people rebound and, again, start doing what s best for the folks. greta: you know, it really is terrible. i hate the crisis management. they all took that vacation in august i have been harping on them for. they knew september 30th and october 17th when we hit the debt ceiling or unable to pay our bills. why do they take these vacations? because, again, it s the power deal. they want to put each other into a corner, back each other into a corner, and, you know, the vacations i don t mind. but you are absolutely right. they all knew that this was coming down the pike. but, i think that the intensity of obama care caught a lot of the people by surprise in washington. such strong feeling about it. and there is a growing anti-feeling about it. i think that caught some democrats by surprise. greta: how is the new book selling? we did about 400,000 in 10 days for killing jesus. that s good. a lot of people learning about jesus. you would be surprised how many people have no idea about him as a man. they don t know what happened to him. they know he was hung on the cross why or where or who did it the book is a phenomenon right now and we are very very greater weight of the evidence. thank you for joining us. i look forward to being the kickoff to the o reilly factor every single night. nice to see you, bill. greta: all right, greta. thank you. straight ahead. donald trump, master deal maker do to end the shutdown stalemate? donald trump will tell you himself. also, guess who is calling? each night this week we will take a call from a famous surprise caller. i have absolutely no idea who it is. you will find out who is on the line when i do. you can t miss this. 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grow to gretawire.com and tell us what you think. coming up in two minutes is obama care care a good deal for small businesses? that s two minutes away. the answer is no. but washington does. it doesn t seem right, does it? especially since washington is the only reason our government is shutdown. congress and the president didn t do their jobs. it s just that simple. they just didn t do their jobs. they knew government funding ended september 30th. and they knew september 30th would be rolling around it, does every single year and they knew we would hit our borrowing limit october 17th. another date incidentally that comes every year. so what did they do? beginning early august they took a five week vacation they call it a recess. i don t. yes, many may have done some constituent work back home during that five weeks, but what constituent work at home could possibly trump the importance of funding our nation and keeping our economy on a steady road? you should be angry. every single one of us should be angry and we should be speaking out. we elected them to do a job and now they are in full scale panic and insulting each other and give us some solution that continues to poison our economy with uncertainty. it hurts all of us and that s wrong. that s my off-the-record comment tonight. go to gretawire.com and tell me what you think. if you an important story or issue you think i should take off the record go to gretawire.com and tell us about it. and now to obama care, the state of california claiming it led the way in implementing the healthcare law but is that good news or bad news for small businesses? griff jenkins went to california to find out. in 1981, this family started brookfield s restaurant here in sacramento. today, the family-owned business has three restaurants, a meat packing facility and nearly 200 employees. the president sam says he has serious concerns over what the new healthcare law may mean for their future. we are probably affected the most. i have always thought of myself as a small business, but, under obama care, with 180 employees, we are considered a large business. and we have to provide affordable healthcare to our employees. back in july, what we did is we implemented obama care because that was our renewal period for our insurance. so we presented it to our employees like obama care was starting back in june of this year. and we had 88 individuals that were eligible for the insurance. of the 88 people that were eligible, only 43 ended up signing up. 12 years ago catherine bragg and her husband started a bakery here in downtown nevada, california. today it s grown into a successful small business with 20 employees and goods are sold in seven counties. our employees we have never been able to offer them health insurance because we couldn t afford it for ourselves. you have had a recent business growth which is what any small business owner s, i would assume would hope for. that s right. what is your growth and what are you going to do if you go from 20 to 25 employees to the threshold of the magic number of 50? well, it s an interesting question because that s what we have been asking ourselves. if the threshold, if the goal line as one friend says is now 50 employees, do we build our business to 49 and avoid the 50? it s that kind of mentality. but even more to that is what i fought for when i spoke business? i just don t see the benefit of it. i mean, i don t see that it is going to benefit those who are t. is supposed to benefit. because those who you no, they want to cover the uninsured uninsured is young people that don t want insurance. they don t think they need insurance. the young people still won t participate. it will be a disaster for those who are left in the system probably result in higher costs out to my customers try to avoid. might result in the fact that we might cut people in order to keep organizers on and give them health insurance. unfortunately it truly is is a pie in this case and there truly is only so much pie that can go around. greta: up next, donald trump. how is a business mogul negotiate the budget standoff. trump is here to tell you next. and tonight s secret moments away. even i don t know who it is. the staff cooked this one up all alone. we will find out which greta: okay. time to hash it out. the government shutdown stopping lots of things in washington. but it is not stopping the federal reserve from unveiling the latest currency upgrade. huffington post politics tweeting meet the new $100 bill coming to a bank near you starting tomorrow of the new benjamins are aimed at foiling counterfeits. the bill s makeover includes a disappearing liberty bell. one word of caution. these $100 bills may not be worth much if congress doesn t get its act together. and football season is off to a rough start for the giants and 2011 super bowl champions have yet to win a game and now. this the new york post tweeting manhattan strip club decides against showing giants game on tv after fifth straight loss. strip joint cabaret banning giants for the rest of the season. the spokesman says the crowd s mood sours and it s not good for our club. bright pink toy car doesn t mean it can t get a ticket. yahoo news told a pink barbie jeep abandoned after running out of batteries. an officer found the car blocking the road he slapped it with a bright orange tag. it was just a warning. it was the officer s attempt at humor. and now it is your turn hash it out with us. this hash tag greta all your stweets and posts two. minutes donald trump is here plus our secret caller. stay with us. today donald trump tweeting about the shutdown using less than 140 characterization to write. obama administration has an important duty to provide a budget and negotiate. our country is a laughing stock. get, this a trump fan suggesting president obama read the art of the deal. to learn to negotiate. donald trump joins us. nice to he see you congratulations on new wonderful time spot. flild to be here. thrilled to have you donald. hell of a time trying to negotiate here in washington. so, tell me, if you were president. what would you do? you have to get everybody in a room. you have to be a leader. the president has to ed loo. he has got to boehner and everybody in a room. dealment and be nice and be angry and wild and congeal and do all sorts of thing but you have to get a deal. and, unfortunately, he has never been a dealmaker. that wasn t his expertise before he went into politics and it s obviously not his expertise now. but you have to get the people in a room and you have to get a deal. that s good for everybody and good for the country. do you have a sense that both sides want a deal? now, speaker boehner says he wants a deal. he accuses the president and the republican leader in the senate of not negotiating. they say they have such a strong position that they don t want the deal. how do you get someone who doesn t think he needs to deal to deal? i don t think the president does have such a strong position. i think the strongest position that they have is that the republicans are bickering and they don t seem to get along. they are not unified. if the republicans were unified they would have the cards. but the fact is that the president, in 20 years from now and in 100 years from now, when you talk about the obama administration, they are not going to be talking about boehner. they are not going to be talking about reid. they are not going to be talking about any of these people. i think it s very important for him to make a deal and to get it done. i also think the republicans are pretty stead fast. smart guy, tough guy and i know he wants to do well for the country and do what s right for the country. frankly, i think the republicans are going to be a lot tougher to make a deal with they want something to happen with obama care because they say ultimately obama care will destroy the country. and they want something to happen. so, whether it s a debt ceiling or obama care, they want to make a deal but they want it to be right. greta: how long can we keep raising the debt limit before we implode? i mean, at some point i assume we can t just keep extending it that we re not going to be able to make the interest payment. is there a magic threshold? well, nobody knows the answer to that question. it s going to be a very interesting question. we are right now 17 trillion, we will be hitting it any day, any moment, $17 trillion in debt. there has never been anything like it. we have never been this is uncharted waters. we have never been there before. but 17 trillion is a number that nobody thought possible, even 10 years ago. i mean, nobody thought it even possible. and the word trillion was impossible if you look. when did we start talking about trillions? and now it s a very common word in our vocabulary, unfortunately. so, something is going to have to be done. there is tremendous waste. i mean, you look at what s going on right now, you see the kind of waste we re talking about. tremendous waste in our government and, frankly, our country is not doing well. unemployment is really terrible. not 7.3%. probably 17 or 18%. when you get the country moving again, lots of good things will happen. unfortunately, this country is not moving in the right direction. greta: how do you get the government, our government to care about waste? one just simple example is $67 million, the irs cannot account for, that it was given to help with the rollout of obama care. it s part of a larger sum. they can t account for the $67 million. no one seems particularly disturbed about it. may be trump change when you look at a debt ceiling. there seems to be little will in washington to go and find it. what about when you hire thousands and thousands of people to explain obama care because it is 2900 pages, it s totally complex. nobody can understand it it the people that they have hired don t understand it it and you then create a web site and they worked on the web site for years now the web site opens and it s useless. it s just not working. it s dead. it s terrible. and frankly probably the same thing is going to happen with respect to obama care. people are being put out of work. people are being hired part time that never had a part time job before. but they are being hired part time now, greta, because of the fact that that is to the employer s advantage. it all starts with competence. you need great competence. when a web site goes up and it doesn t work, it s broken. the web site broken. it doesn t work. and this is the beginning of obama care. you would think that after all of this talk, the web site would be flawless, it s totally broken. donald, also nice to see you. thanks for joining us especially tonight at 7:00 p.m. good to he so you. congratulations. greta: thank you. the phone is ringing. only the on the record producers know who is on the other line. i will be just as surprised to you. let s take this call together. it s greta. who is on the line? hi greta, it s my tyson i called to say congratulations about the show and nobody deserves it more than you. oh mike, nice to hear from you. nice to hear from you. hey, ha, what s going on here? i m as happy to be on the phone talking but to this and god willing i will be on your show with you and your co-host? greta: you can be a co-host. that would be interesting. when are you going to come on the show i might as well take advantage book deal. you let me know and i m there. greta: what have you been up to, mike? i have been up to a lot of things. i have a book believe it or not that s pretty shocking that i have my one man show hbo coming along on november 16th. i m just doing a lot of dynamic things. i got my i mike production company. i m very grateful. that s what i m trying to convey in this conversation, a lot of gratitude. greta: i m so excited. i haven t heard from you in such a long time it surprises me to hear your voice. how is your wife. lovely and wonderful as ever. listen, have you always been in our heart. always so proud of you. this is just another very hard core for you. greta: let me throw it back to you. one-man show. have you been doing unbelievably well. i read but all the time. both jim and i you and my wife have the same birthday both crazy geminies. greta: i know that when we were out there talking. i loved all the pigeons. do you still have all the pigeons? yes. they are not going anywhere. greta: i can t believe you are my first surprise guest of my first night at 7:00 p.m. i don t know how i don t know how they found you. hey, listen, i m just happy that they did and i was able to convey congratulations to you. mike tyson comes on fox sports 1 every tuesday at 7:30 on the west coast. 10:30 on the east coast. and we when are we going to hang out again, greta. that s just the bomb. does still work with you? greta: yeah, we will hang out again. now that i have formally booked you on the air. all of the viewers have heard that you have agreed to appear on the show. you are locked in, right? absolutely implicitly. greta: all right, mike. i appreciate the call and we ll talk soon. we have another secret caller tomorrow night. plus, former defense a second donald rumsfeld and senator rand paul, is he going to go on the recor well, well, well. don t adjust your television. a black guy has taken over red eye. welcome to black guy. let s welcome our guests. i am here tonight with an old neighbor and a confidant, jedediah bila. and i am here with my roommate , tv s andy levy. give it up for andy levy. no clapping. and my spiritual leader, bill schulz. and standing next to me tom shillue.
asylum. the drama unfolding each second. judge also one on one with george zimmerman. do you regret that you killed trayvon martin? cnn s chris cuomo. do you have regrets about it? certainly i think about that night and i think my life would be tremendously easier if i had stayed home. the must see interview straight ahead. plus, obama and barclay. thanks for taking the time. the nba hall of famer talking all things basketball. how often do you get play basketball now? these days once a month. you got to start thinking about elbows and you break your nose right before a state of the union address. and obamacare. what do you think of the term obamacare? and it s fallon s night. the new king of the tonight show . here s jimmy. you re live in the cnn newsroom . good morning. i m carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin with breaking news from overnight. co-pilot hijacking his own flight and take over the airliner on a desperate mission for asylum. first off we ll tell you all 202 people aboard are safe and sound. there s a route. it left the capital last night bound for rome but when the pilot left the cockpit for the restroom the co-pilot seized his chance. he locked the cockpit door and rerouted the plane to geneva, switzerland. the airliner landed safely and the co-pilot now face as whole lot of questions. we go live to berlin for more. good morning. reporter: hi, carol. the authorities say the passengers on board that plane were never in danger but wasn t a safe situation. the airliner was circling over geneva for several hours until it was intercepted by two jets there and force tloond. tinting thing that happened is that this co-pilot even as he was taking over the plane was only worried about managing to get asylum in switzerland. we have some voice recordings with his interactions with tower control. listen to what he says to them. and, you have to give us lastly information about the asylum because everything is not in english portion. yes, i know. sorry butter with still waiting for the response. reporter: we have to mention at this point the airliner was very low on fuel and trying to get an answer there from authorities. keep in mind this was at 6:00 a.m. in the morning on a monday. certainly going to be very difficult for those air traffic control towers get any sort of answer from a swiss politician. in the end he landed taxpayer craft. everybody on board was safe. he is now in custody. whether or not he s going to get asylum is something that s very much in question, carol. there was some sort of rope from the cockpit because there are rumors earlier he climbed down that rope on to the tarmac. reporter: very interesting question. you re absolutely right. he use ad rope to climb down to the tarmac. another piece of interaction between him and the tower don t make any sudden moves. i m opening up the cockpit window and climb down with a rope. he planned this. we have to note modern airline cockpits actually always have a rope in a compartment above one of the windows and that s a safety precaution because if one of these airliners has to make a hard landing or crash landing and the way out to the emergency exit is filled by fire or some other obstruction the pilots do have that rope as a last way of getting out of the aircraft and clearly he used that rope to get out of the aircraft as fast as possible. he was immediately apprehended when he got there on the tarmac. there s that picture of that rope hanging out the window. it was a bizarre morning for those passengers. one other weird thing most of them thought they landed in rome, in italy and not in switzerland. they didn t even know where they were. it was really a very bizarre day for those people. they all escaped unhurt. all safe and sound. shocking news this weekend from a courtroom in florida where a jury fails to reach a verdict in the loud music murder trial. convicting michael dunn of attempted second-degree murder and shooting at a vehicle but on the biggest charge first-degree murder of jordan davis that jury was hung. both sides say the fight is not over. a few hours ago michael dunn s daughter reacted to the verdict on good morning america . i can t imagine life without him. he s generous, protects himself. if he sees another way that s what he s going to do. we go to jacksonville, florida for more. reporter: good morning, carol. jury deliberated for about 30 hours before reaching their partial verdict. now both sides are preparing for the next step. mr. dunn, your having been convicted of count ii, iii and iv by a jury. reporter: michael dunn guilty of three counts of second-degree attempted murder in the shooting that killed jordan davis. but on the charge related to the 17-year-old s death the jury could not agree. based on the jury s inability to reach a verdict as to count i i would declare that mistried. reporter: following the verdict outrange disappointment outside the courthouse. and on twitter many questioned how the jury could fail to reach a verdict on the murder charge. one tweet reads, a partial lie is still a lie and partial justice is still injustice. juries do confusing things. reporter: legal experts say the jury s initial request to see the surveillance video where you could hear the gunfire the night of the shooting may provide insight into how jurors were struggling over the murder charge. the logic may be they thought deshoot potentially in self-defense and that there was a gap when he could have threat scene and then he shot again as truck of guesting away. maybe they thought that was the attempted on the other occupants of the vehicle. reporter: another possibility the jury may have disagreed on whether dunn was guilty of first-degree murder. on closing, he said we don t want lesser offenses. we don t want a lesser include offense. all or nothing. that s what he said to them. reporter: the conviction on the other counts means the 47-year-old will likely spend the rest of his life in prison. he s going to learn that he must be remorseful for the killing of my son. reporter: dunn could still face another trial on the murder charge. davis mother says their fight is not over. we will continue to stand and we will continue to wait for justice for jordan. reporter: angel gentleman cory says she intends to pursue a second trial on that first-degree murder charge. dunn s attorney says they will file appeal. the dunn case stirred strong echos of the trayvon martin case the teenager who was shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer. both trayvon s parents hatch voiced their support and sympathy for the family. this morning we re hearing from george zimmerman the maniac quit in trayvon martin s death in the seven months since the jury returned the not guilty verdict in his murder trial the public has seen little of zimmerman, aside from his various scrapes with the law. now two years after shooting the unarmed teenager he describes his life as a lightning rod for criticism and death threats. chris cuomo of cnn s new day sat down for an extensive one on one interview. two main reasons to interview george zimmerman. first is because there s so many questions that remain about his case and we got to ask him about all of them and people can judge their answers for themselves. and the second is that there s so many big issues that resevere berated out of that case we sautin michael dunn case, questions for society that george zimmerman is given a lot of credit of accalculate zal being a calculated zealot. is that who he really is or something less? do you regret that you killed trayvon martin? it s a simple question. but one george zimmerman can t seem to answer. unfortunately, the department of justice is conducting a civil rights investigation so those are the types of questions that because of the investigation i have to tread lightly on and i can t answer. we checked and the department of justice isn t investigating any civil rights investigations but says charges aren t expected. still disseminate s reluctance seems to be more than about legalities. do you regret that night? certainly i think about that night. my life would be tremendously easier if i had stayed home. if you could go back you would have stayed home that night? certainly, yes. in hindsight, absolutely. as a point of clarification you said my life would be so much easier. when you say i wish i had stayed home that night are you think about you and trayvon martin? certainly i think about him. i think about my family. all the families that have been put in any type of dangerous situation. so, yes i think about everybody involved. but safe to say if you could change how that night came out, you would both be alive today? i think that s just a different way of rephrasing it. if you could go back dynasty again you would have stayed home that night? i would have stayed home. both of you still would be alive? that s the presumption i can t make. i could have gotten in a car accident when i left. you wouldn t have wound up killing trayvon martin if you had your way. he wouldn t have ended up attacking me either if i stayed home. his family, do you think about his family? is that true? certainly. yes. because people want to know that, right? coming out of this situation they haven t heard you say i feel for his family. i appreciate the opportunity. i would hope that they had seen that at the bond hearing i did address that. it s different in court. sure. but i was simply saying i did address it. because another misconception is that i never apologized i never reached out to the family. would i like to? certainly. what would you say? you know, i would say exactly what i said on the stand that i m sorry for their loss, and just exactly what i said on the stand most likely. thoughts about the victim, trayvon martin. the victim was trayvon martin, you know that. no, i certainly was a victim when i was having my head bashed into the concrete and windows broken and beaten so i wouldn t say i was not a victim. on this zimmerman is sure, despite the public outrage painting him as a racist in a strong case by a prosecution calling him a murderer. what do you want to say to people who believe that you went out that night as a vigilante looking for trouble and found it and bailed yourself out? i don t focus on them. ideal with their hatred by loving my supporters more. when people would reach out to you for the wrong reasons, who are supportive of you for the wrong reasons because they like that a young black man had been killed, how did that make you feel that they saw you as somehow symbolically as representing them? equally as disgusted with them as i was with people that were threatening my family and saying negative things about me. it is through all of it listening to the evidence and everybody s different take on your actions and reactions did it make you doubt yourself? no. why not? faith. ain yourself or god? in god. he s ultimately the only judge i have to answer to. he knows what happened. i know what happened. a faith that keeps him in florida despite a number of threats on his life. if people around you say george you got to go. i ll never leave this country and i ll leave my home when i want to leave my home. i know it sounds stubborn and maybe ideological but i ll move when i want to. the word haunted often comes up in these situations. do you fine yourself haunted by memories of that night? no. because? i don t know. george zimmerman is not haunted by taking a man s life. perhaps more surprising, zimmerman thought his life would stay the same. the feeling was that people will accept this, you know, i m going to go through trial. it is what is it. the out come will be accepted and i ll move on. that s what i hoped for. when did you realize that wasn t what you hoped for. the first speeding ticket when it made international news. it was shocking to me. course a lot more than speeding tickets. there are two main take weighs for us and why we thought this was relevant. the first is the silence that you hear when i ask him about what he wanted to say to the family and how reluctant he is to say that he wished he had not killed trayvon martin. the reason for that is he believes he was a victim and what he did was right and that s why he stuck, he s not haunted, he doesn t have any doubts. the bigger question becomes, carol, why make this man relevant. he is relevant. i think just as important as him being relevant is why. people assume he s a calculating manipulator of the storm. i asked him about stand your ground he doesn t want to be the face of it. i asked him about self-defense he says he doesn t understand it. he s relevant. he s an example of what happens when someone who is relatively unsophisticated and makes a series of bad decision and gets bailed out by a law, the florida self-defense statute that makes it too easy for someone to get away with murder. it doesn t punish stupid the way the law should carol and as a result you ll have verdicts where juries are tested and you ll see that even a good jury like michael dunn can t come out to the right situation because of the law and also because of a lot of other prejudice and culture issues that we have to deal with outside of the courtroom. in my mind he s clearly troubled. he hasn t been able to find a job. he s been getting into these scrapes with the law, accused of domestic violence and he s traveling at high rates of speed when he knows he ll be stopped by police and that the spotlight will shine ever brighty on him. he seems troubled to me. did he seem that way to you? absolutely. he s got to wear a bullet proof vest. he s got people making death threats. he can t go anywhere. he can t be with his family. a lot of people hear that and they say he has his life and not in jail where he would have been if he was in any other state. it s about the balance of it and certainly being at the center of such a huge trial makes him very relevant. the question is why. not about ignoring him. it s about examining him the right way. this is a discussion, carol, you ve been great with it but we need to keep having a discussion how we treat violence in the country, how we punish it. as a culture it has to change. we ll talk about it in the next hour of newsroom . president obama talks health care, hoops and a lot more. reporter: president obama weighing in on a number of topics as he was interviewed by charles barclay from lebron james to michael sam to the controversy over obamacare. we ll have a live report right after this. 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nbc is getting a lot of heat for this interview. rachel nichols joins us live from sochi. rachel some people say the nbc reporter went too far. reporter: yeah. you know, the person who isn t saying that is bode miller. bode miller tweet when he woke up in sochi this morning finding out while he was sleeping all of this furor been happening on his behalf. he appreciates everyone stick up for him but he tweeted being againstle with kristen cooper it was crazy emotional and not her fault. my emotions were very raw. he went on to say she wasn t trying to cause any pain. you have to wrremember, cooper not a swrournlist she s a skier herself. bode trying to defend her there. people felt it was too far. the hockey hero from the miracle on ice was one of the people who tweeted that it was very insensitive. in fact he then went on to tweet bode miller directly and saying i m sorry for that insensitive journalist. he spoke for a lot of people. bode had a tear going down his face before she asked that last question and there was a thought she should have stopped there or if she didn t maybe the people at nbc who had all of that edythe time in between the interview took place and when they showed it on tv, 10, 12, 14 hours they should have pulled back from the interview. it s a matter of controversy which of course doesn t hurt nbc s ratings at all. it was strange to see bode miller showing that emotion. he s a brash guy. it s unyush to see him crying. reporter: absolutely. he s pretty stoic. that s why it took three or four questions for her to get that emotion out of him. but his brother s death affected him. his younger brother was a snowboarder and had talked about trying to be in this olympics as a competitor along with bode. they talked about it for a while. this olympics was the one where he had quite a good shot of making the team. but he had a motorcycle accident, actually about a dozen years ago. he had some seizure problems ever since and he died of apparent seizures about a year ago. very emotional for bode knowing his brother could have been with him here and he of course was not able to be. rachel nichols, many thanks. coming up fairfax you re sick of the snow and bitter cold you re certainly not alone. a bit of bad news four. it s about to get worse again. up next the latest on another winter storm set to slam into the midwest and northeast. weekdays are for rising to the challenge. they re the days to take care of business. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what s next. to take skincare to the next level, you re ready for roc®. roc® multi correxion has an exclusive 5 in 1 formula. it s clinically proven to hydrate dryness, illuminate dullness, lift sagging, diminish the look of dark spots, and smooth the appearance of wrinkles. together these 5 elements create ageless looking skin. roc® multi correxion 5 in 1. it s high performance skincare™ only from roc®. roc® multi correxion 5 in 1. my dad has aor afib.brillation, he has the most common kind. .it s not caused by a heart valve problem. dad, it says your afib puts you at 5 times greater risk of a stroke. that s why i take my warfarin every day. but it looks like maybe we should ask your doctor about pradaxa. in a clinical trial, pradaxa® (dabigatran etexilate mesylate). .was proven superior to warfarin at reducing the risk of stroke. and unlike warfarin, with no regular blood tests or dietary restrictions. hey thanks for calling my doctor. sure. pradaxa is not for people with artificial heart valves. don t stop taking pradaxa without talking to your doctor. stopping increases your risk of stroke. ask your doctor if you need to stop pradaxa before surgery or a medical or dental procedure. pradaxa can cause serious, sometimes fatal, bleeding. don t take pradaxa if you have abnormal bleeding or have had a heart valve replaced. seek immediate medical care for unexpected signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. pradaxa may increase your bleeding risk if you re 75 or older, have a bleeding condition or stomach ulcer, take aspirin, nsaids, or blood thinners. .or if you have kidney problems, especially if you take certain medicines. tell your doctors about all medicines you take. pradaxa side effects include indigestion, stomach pain, upset, or burning. if you or someone you love has afib not caused by a heart valve problem. .ask your doctor about reducing the risk of stroke with pradaxa. they lived. they lived. they lived. 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depends on where it is. true. still to come in the newsroom new rules are going into place for banks trying to do business with marijuana dispsaries. reporter: it doesn t mean big banks are rushing in to the pot business. i m going to tell you what s holding them back right after the break. it says here that a woman s sex drive increases at the age of 80. helps reduce the risk of heart disease. keep heart-healthy. live long. eat the 100% goodness of post shredded wheat. doctors recommend it. to you are here. man, that life exists and identity. that the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse. that the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse. what will your verse be? marijuana dispensaries getting more backing from federal government. they can legally open bank accounts to deposit money from pot sales. let s bring in cnn chief business correspondent christine romans. a good thing because those business owners were having to carry these large amounts of cash because the banks wouldn t accept the cash. reporter: when you think about the product they have that s so valuable and prone to theft and you think about the cash nature of the business this is becoming according to eric holder a public safety issue for some of these companies. so the treasury department has issued some guidelines for how the banks can legally provide savings accounts, do banking service, even loans for these legal pot businesses. this is really, really a big deal in states like colorado and washington but also for the other states that are using, do medicinal marijuana businesses. here s the interesting thing. bankers remain reluctant. the american banking association saying look they still have an underlying challenge for banks, quote, possession or distribution of marijuana violates federal law and banks that provide support for those activities face the risk of prosecution and asorted sanctions. we talked to wells fargo this morning. their policy they say is not to bank marijuana businesses, they are reviewing these new guidelines but for the time being their policies remain the same. you re seeing the big banks caution on this even though there are new guidelines from the government. analysts telling us they think small and mid-size community banks might be the best bet for legal pot businesses to do business in the banking industry. what are people who own pot businesses doing with the money they make? where do they put it? big safes. hiring armed guards at the doors. they are essentially operating a cash business. one of the interesting things the justice department has told u.s. attorneys not to pursue banks that do business with legal marijuana disspendsaries. no illegal business with illegal drug cartels. no trafficking into states where it s not legal. some of these hurdles that the big banks are saying look, you know, can you really guarantee if you give a loan to a legal pot business that somewhere down the line one of those rules success violated they are just not so sure they want to do business quite yet with legal pot businesses. christine romans, thank you. all new in the next hour of newsroom . a widespread natural disaster caused by the brutal winter weather, the cost of propane skyrocketing so high many people paying three times what they did last year. i worry about the people that don t have the money to pay for a tank fill up, the same people on fixed incomes, people that work for lower wages. we ll talk to a federal lawmaker who thinks the situation is so desperate he s appealing to the white house for help. that s all new for you at 10:00. 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[ male announcer ] find out how fast aflac can pay you at aflac.com. say it ain t so, true to her word, j.k. rowling will not be whisking us away. her publisher announced she will be releasing her second book under the pseudonym robert galbraith. it is called the silk work. it is her second in a series. jimmy fallon officially takes over as host of the tonight show tonight. jay leno managed to keep the show at number one for most of his 22 years as the show s host. in this environment of more competition, including internet, streaming, cable tv and broadcast networks, what does fallon need to do to distinguish himself and still keep the show number one. a nischelle turner has the answers to every single one of those questions. good morning. everything and more. nbc wants them to skew younger. that s what they want. they want to grab the audience they have had trouble getting and grow that audience with jimmy, keep them along so he can continue that run at number one. he does have big shoes to fill, like you said. he debuts tonight. the tonight show is the 60-year tradition. it has launched so many careers. while this is probably the most prestigious of the jobs in late night. it is also the most scrutinized. jimmy is taking over for jay leno. he mentioned that as well. he was the host for 22 years, a convincing number one for most of those. he also has to follow the 2009 debacle where nbc took jay off the air in favor of conan o brien and we remember how that turned out. this time, jay s departure and jimmy s survival scene to be a bit more harmonious. they did that passing of the torch together, interviews together. we are looking at him on the tonight show right there. jay leno said in an interview that they did together that of anyone on the air in late night right now, jimmy fallon is the closest to johnny carson. jay says carson is the best to have ever done it. for the past 22 years, the show has been called the tonight show with jay leno. jimmy is going back to the carson days and calling it the tonight show starring jimmy fallon. i will set my alarm and wake up and watch. thanks so much, any shenischell turner. our cnn newsroom starts now. good morning. i m carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. there is extra heartache for the family of jordan davis. sunday would have been his 19th birthday. the jury could not reach a verdict against the man who admitted to killing him e was gunned down outside of a gas station thanksgiving weekend of 2012. on saturday, a florida jury convicted michael done on three counts of attempted second-degree murder for shooting at the three other teenagers in dave s car. they were deadlocked on that first-degree murder charge in his death. michael dunn s family reacted to the news that dunn could still spend the rest of his life behind bars. pi can t imagine life without him. he is going to protect himself if he sees no other way. that s what he is going to do. the dunn case stirred strong echos of the trayvon martin case, the unarmed teenager that was shot to death by a neighborhood watch volunteer. trayvon s mother shared this hug with the mother of jordan davis. they have voiced their support and sympathy for lucia mg bath and her family. they are hearing from george zimmerman, the man acquitted in his death. the public has seen little of zimmerman in the seven months since they returned the verdict. now, two years after shooting the unarmed teenager, zimmerman describes his life as a lightning rod for criticism and death threats. he sat down for an extensive one-on-one interview with chris cuomo of cnn s new day. reporter: it was a simple speeding ticket but nothing is simple when george zimmerman is involved. it would be the first in a string of run-ins with police that some saw coming. it is just a matter of time. he will do it again. this is what he is about. what do you make of that kind of thought? i don t pay it any attention at all. reporter: next, zimmerman s wife called 911 saying he was threatening her and her father with a gun. there were no charges. divorce is pending. zimmerman s girlfriend accused her of threatening him with a shotgun. he would call to get his side of the story out. so why are you calling? what happened? i just want everyone to know the truth. his girlfriend would drop the charges and lift the restraining order. during our interview, she and her young daughter wouldn t leave his side and neither will con t controversy thanks to his new hobby. i read what you put out about the paintings. this is therapy. this is helping me. you had to know they would cause attention. why are you putting the paintings out? what did you want that attention to be about? to be honest i-was hoping to be able to provide a decent lifestyle for my family. his first painting sold for more than $100,000. the next painting was priceless for a different reason. angela corey painting. provocative. i have this much for the justice system. you knew that was going to be provocative. why do it? it was a creative, tangible form to show my inner thoughts, inner feelings. negative towards angela core are i? it provided a tremendous release for me. it was worth it. then, there was the fight. a move as confusing as it was disturbing. the man s defense at trial was an inability to hold off a teenager was a prize fighter willing to take on all comers for charity. the idea of you fighting, the image is bad but let alone a black rapper. the racial overtones of it were so horrible. what were you thinking there? when i signed on, it was never going to be a black rapper, white rapper, asian, hispanic rapper. it was going to be an unknown person, a small are event. the whole theory of this case is that trayvon wound upbeating this guy down. he had marks on the back of his head. now, he wants to fight. he is a fighter. do you understand how that was a contradiction there? yes. again, that tracks of people that said that are the small percentage that don t realize that a boxing match with a referee in controlled conditions are significantly different than being mounted, as the witness stated, ground impound. if i went out there and got beat up, the charity was still getting paid. i don t want to get beat up but i saw it as an opportunity. i never expected it to turn out the way it did. george zimmerman seems to feel that way about a lot of things. for example, becoming the face of white/black tensions in america. i actually had two full peruvians and one american raising me. two-thirds of my upbringing was peruvian and black people in my family. it was very shocking to me that simply based off my last name, people would make that presumption. he is at the center of a debate about self-defense laws, he has little to say about them. because of what you have gone through, and what your case was about, do you have feelings about self-defense and where the line should be and what s right and what s wrong? do you have thoughts about that? i am not well versed enough to tell you. i feel until i sit down and study the constitution, probably ten years worth of legal findings, i wouldn t be able to draw a solidified conclusion. i don t want to do what others have done to me and speak without examining information and facts. i do, however, support our second amendment. you might think zimmerman would be riveted to the michael done trial given its comparisons to the situation. i should have prefaced this interview by letting you know i don t watch news anymore. i watch comedy shows, home improvement shows. i m not well-enough informed to give you exacts. how about advocating for the stand your ground laws that many identify with him? is. are you comfortable being the face of stand your ground? i m not comfortable being the face of anything to be honest with you. it is what he wants to be the face of going forward that may be the most confounding? justice? what do you want to do with your life? good. i would like to professionally continue my education and hopefully become an attorney. i think that s the best way to stop the miscarriage of justice that happened to me from happening to somebody else. i don t think it should happen to anyone ever again, not one person. what was the miscarriage of justice? the fact that two law enforcement entities stated that i had acted within the laws of our nation in self-defense. you don t think it was about the law? i know it wasn t. what does that make you? a scapegoat. a scapegoat for? the government, the president, the attorney general. they would be scapegoating you why? to show that they are taking a position on something that matters to a lot of people. i don t know what they are thinking or why they are thinking it. all i know is that they are doing it. i don t know what agenda they have. the case is over. the judgment continues. while george zimmerman may have won his freedom but probably never truly free. i have a lot of people saying that they guarantee that they are going to kill me and i ll never be a free man. i realize that they don t know me. i ve learned that the majority of people when they sit down with me one-on-one or with my family and i, they get a completely different perspective on me. when you are somewhere and people recognize who you are and they are looking at you, what do you do? smile. how often do they smile back? 99% of the time. the 1% that don t are the most vocal percent. definitely the most threatening percent, because they are very vocal about their displeasure. people are angry, george. they are angry. the case wound up being seen as a metaphor for miscarriage of justice, blacks not receiving the same justice that whites do, their lives not mattering as much. this case became a metaphor, an example for that. your face became the face of, this is the guy that gets away with killing a black kid. what do you do with that? hope that i m dispelling those, if it takes one person a day, at a time, to help them realize that that s not what this case was about. then that s what i ll do. let s bring in chris cuomo now from new york. chris, some viewers are writing to me, tweeting me. why did you choose to sit down and viinterview you george zimmerman? i think you have to look at the point of the interview. the idea that you should not give hem a platform. he should not be interviewed. carol, you tell me if you think i m wrong. it is a no-brainer decision that george zimmerman is newsworthy. he is at the center of a major criminal trial. the idea that you would avoid him because he is unpopular, because people don t like what he did, is not how journalism works. we all understand that, right? absolutely. i m into full transparency. i was into what he had to say. it appears to me from the allegations of domestic violence and some of the traffic trouble he has gotten into. his life is clearly unsettled. some might say it is a mess. i think it is a safe assumption. i don t know that he would disagree. i think he feels like he has somewhat of a nonlife right now. the question becomes not whether or not a journalist interviews george zimmerman. there is no real question there. it is what do you do with the interview? my feeling is this. this man has been given a lot of power by people, specially his detract tors that he is a cool cue lating guy that worked the system and knew he could get away with this. i believe he is something decidedly less than that. he is a very good example of what we have to be careful with. a guy that is relatively unsophisticated that made a series of bad choices and found himself killing somebody else and the law, because of the way it is designed, wound up allowing him to get away with it. it caused huge problems that we are seeing in the cry of having him not get more attention. we have to pay attention to him. we can use it as an example for change. that said, i don t know if in any state, they would have convicted george zimmerman because of how acute the circumstances were of the violent conflict that he wound up in with trayvon martin, no matter how many bad decisions by george zimmerman led him to that point. even where you have a responsibility to retreat, like in new york state and many states under self-defense laws. i still think it would have been a very difficult prosecution for him. again, the point is now larger. you interview him because he is relevant. he is newsworthy. he just is. what you do with him and the questions that arise out of it, i think those are important choices. it is a very important discussion. he is relevant in light of the dunn case and the stand your ground case. if you had the chance to interview michael dunn, i m sure you would take it. absolutely. the dunn verdict has created another stand your ground backlash. the hashtag sdang russ black kids materialized on twitter along with pictures. this one says, my son is clearly planning a robbery and shows a young boy drinking a root beer float and the picture of a baby with this underneath. he is getting aggressive, his temper is flaring and, my god, i feel fear. with me to talk about florida s stand your ground law, florida state representative, matt gates, a supporter of stand your ground and ahmad abu snided, co-founders of dream founders, a group opposed to stand your ground. thanks, gentlemen. ahmad, i want to start with you. the fact that this jury could not agree to convict mr. dunn on a first-degree murder? how does that affect those in florida? i don t think it had anything to do with the state of florida whether it was first-degree or second-degree. we are grieving. we are upset. we feel like that the justice system has let us down, because it was unable to prove that an unarmed and unhostile young black male was not a threat to an aggressive, violent individual such as michael dunn. representative gates, did florida s stand your ground law work in the dunn case? i don t think anybody is going to nominate michael dunn or george zimmerman for person of the year. overall, the stand your ground law has worked for the state of florida. if you look for the five years preceding stand your ground s passage, the murder rate was on the rise. since we passed stand your ground, the murder rate has declined every year. i think the charge is inaccurate that stand your ground is disproportionately had a negative impact on african-americans. african-americans have asserted the stand your ground defense more than any other racial or ethnic group and by volume, african-americans have been more successful at asserting the stand your ground defense than any other group. i am of the belief that if someone is attacked they shouldn t have the duty to retreat. that s a view held by most floridians. when the proposal was made in florida to repeat the stand your ground, even most democrats on the committee i chair voted against the proposal to repeal stand your ground. there seems to be pretty wide consensus that the law is good, though we have a system that can generate results that make folks uncomfortable. representative gaetz, in light of these two teenagers that are dead, under florida s self-defense lawes, a jury must decide whether a person reasonably believes his life is in danger. reasonable may mean overreaction in some people s minds. do you think this is why the jury could not decide to convict or acquit dunn on the first-degree murder charge? is it the way the law is written. i disagree with the premise of the question. being reasonable and overreacting are two different things. we learn in law school that the reasonable standard is an objective standard. now, i ll certainly concede that we have the worst justice system. some might look at dunn s testimony and say, oh, my gosh, he overreacted. other people might say he acted reasonably. it is difficult to determine. it obviously was for this jury. well, i will concede that we have the worst justice system on the planet earth except every other justice system ever created. we tilt every advantage toward the accused and, yes, because we have a system where juries, not robots makes the decisions, sometimes a member or a couple of members of a jury will make a decision that others don t agree with. i didn t agree with the decision in the casey anthony case. that doesn t mean we go and repeal our homicide statutes. if we went and repealed statutes in criminal law every time we disagreed with an outcome, there would be no law left. i just want to posture this. this law is so confusing in some people s minds. the mothers and fathers have lost children. it is affecting families on the other side of the coin. listen to jordan davis s mother. let s listen. we are so very happy to have just a little bit of closure. it is sad for mr. dunn, that he will live the rest of his life in that sense of torment. i will pray for him. i ve asked my family to pray for him. so, that, first of all, was a really gracious thing for jordan davis mother to say. it affects so many people s lives that the law isn t exactly clear, doesn t it? yeah, absolutely. i think what stand your ground did was it obviously removed the duty to safely retreat from our society. so now where pass a conflict can erupt between two individuals, be it popcorn in a movie theater or loud music at a gas station. rather than a responsible florida citizen taking a second to retreat, if possible and safely go home and make sure that multiple people are going home alive today, we encourage them to react aggressively and violently. that s what stand your ground does. we had self-defense laws prior to 2005. prior to stand your ground, you were able to defend yourself. that s what self-defense is. stand your ground has changed that. representative gaetz, let s go back to the movie incident. curtis olson that shot and killed the man in the movie theater, was he justified in using the law sns. the good thing about the justice system, we don t let the politicians make those decisions. i am of the view that it is a good thing that michael dunn is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. that s a good outcome that he won t be out among the rest of us. there isn t this lack of clarity that you keep describing. stand your ground is pretty simple. it says, if you have a right to be where you are and you are not break the law these are three sensational cases. you don t think there is a problem with the law. i don t. just because you have three outcomes that you don t like, you don t indict the law. if on average you look at the benefit the law has had. in my state, we are having fewer murders because we have a robust self-defense system. i think that that s probably a positive thing. had i been on the dunn jury with the evidence i saw, i probably would have voted to convict but, again, we have a jerseys stim where individuals bring their viewpoints. you would have voted to convict michael dunn of first-degree murder in the death of jordan davis? yes. just like i would have voted to convict casey anthony but that doesn t mean because there was a result i didn t agree with, that we throw out the entire criminal justice system. you don t think the jury, in part, couldn t come to a conclusion on that charge had anything to do with florida s stand your ground law? well, stand your ground in the dunn case was not an asserted defense. just like it wasn t an asserted defense in the zimmerman case. now, i don t take the position that that doesn t mean that our stand your ground law didn t have some affect. i don t think the lack of clarity as a result of stand your ground. i think it is the facts that arose in those cases that the jury wasn t able to reach a verdict on beyond a reasonable doubt. again, we tilt every advantage to the accused. one of those is that all jurors have to agree if someone is to be convicted. here, they didn t, on that charge. again, michael dunn is going to spend the rest of his life in jail. but not at this point for killing jordan davis. we could go on and talk about it. for his conduct that evening. thank you so much. i have to end it there. representative matt gaetz and ahmad, thank you for joining me. cyberstalkers have struck again. this time against the group kickstarter. what can you do to protect yourself? 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well, in vermont, it is not. i m an independent and the other senator is a democrat and the member of the house is a democrat. i should tell you that this problem extends far beyond vermont and the midwest prices have skyrocketed and in that sense, it is a bipartisan concern. you are right about that. senator bernie sanders, thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. still to come in the newsroom, an airliner is hijacked. that s not even the headline. we ll tell you why the co-pilot commandeered his own plane. still running in the morning? yeah. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. 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other execution groups in fightings that have left well over 2000 dead. even al qaeda s leader has demanded they leave syria. missing is any mention whatsoever of the assad regime. the only concern is the challenge posed by other opposition factions and the local populous to ice sis. who is erasing the slogans and symbols of eye sis on the walls says the interrogator? i wear, i don t know, as god is my witness, responds this man, who identified himself as hamad. what were they saying about the islamic state, he asks. say the truth, save yourself. i will speak the truth even if i lose my head responds this man who says he is called mustafa. all of these clips were found in the residence of this man. activists describe him as an isis commander and an intelligence officer. they found the abandoned video in january after he fled fighting between isis and other factions. some of the flips and still shots show a young woman in the company of abu ahmad trying her hand at shooting an ak-47 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we begin with a horrifying report issued about north korea s regime. the report, based on testimony from hundreds of witnesses, says north korea s leaders use murder, torture, slavery, and mass starvation to keep themselves in power. it says the brutal regime has no parallel, no parallel in today s world. brian todd has been going through the report getting reaction. he s here to report on what he found. brian? wolf , it is the detail and some of the imagery. we have to warn viewers, some people might find the drawings at the top of our story disturbing. images of skeletal, starving people eating snakes and rats, emaciated human remains left for rats to eat, prisoners being accused and tortured. they are part of disturbing and exhaustive report of human rights in north korea. hundreds of former prisoners and other witnesses were interviewed. a survivor tells of a starving woman who gave birth in a camp. a prison official repeatedly beat the mother, she said, eventually forcing the mother to drown the child. with her shaking hands, she picked up the baby and put the baby face-down in the water. there s no other place on earth today that has the level of abuse of human rights that north korea does. reporter: prison camps with systematic starvation and rape is common places. officials describe grotesque methods. guards would force them to dig their own graves, they said, and then hit them over the head with a hammer. an anonymous former prison official says another method was to have an inmate come to an office and sit down. two people would be waiting with a rubber rope. translator: if you strike someone with it, it will wrap around their neck and then kill them by pulling on the rope. reporter: a defector who selfed for the u.n. told cnn s paula hancocks how guards presumably killed her brother. they tied him to a truck and drag him for 45 kilometers. when he fell down, they kept on driving. reporter: kenneth bae is reported to be held at one of those camps. too many times in this building there are report ts and no action. now is time for action. the north korean government wants to be recognized in every venue where north korean officials walk internationally. this is going to stalk them. reporter: they call it a political plot and say, quote, the human rights violations mentioned in the so-called report do not exist in our country. but this really could be the most detailed account ever released of human rights abuses inside that country. still, there s a lot of uncertainty over whether this is really going to force international pressure from the chinese, the russians, or really from anyone else. according to this u.n. report, if you run a follow of the north korean regime, they don t just come after you. that s right. not just you. they will target your entire family. one woman testified that she was in prison for gossiping about their late leader kim jong-il. they put her in a prison camp, her elderly parents in a prison camp and four of her children ages 1 to 9. all of them died except for her and she says she and other witnesses say that north koreans have this plan in place to basically ex terminate three generations of a family if they run afoul of the regime. thanks for the report. joining us now, one of the america s most senior dim employee mats. wendy was the clinton s administration point per for dealing with north korea s nuclear program. at the time, she helped negotiate that nuclear deal with north korea. now she s been deeply involved in negotiating the nuclear deal with iran. ambassador sherman, thanks so much for joining us. i want to get to iran in a moment but there s a disturbing report, as we just heard, that came out from the united nations that north korea, a country you know well, is engaged in effectively crimes against humanity against its own people. i wonder if you want to react to that. well, there can t be any reaction except one of horror. we have known for some time that there are horrible prison camps, some call them guolags in north korea, that many people really live on twigs and plants because there is a tremendous food shortage. we know a whole generation of children are growing up with stunted growth and intellect. as i have always said, north korea is not a place that any of us would want to live in and i give the united nations credit for highlighting the horrible human rights abuses going on drawing the attention to it and the need to do something about it. i d also note that north korea still holds kenneth bae, an american citizen who is not well and ought to be released and released without conditions now. is there any progress, any talks, any behind the scenes efforts under way to get mr. bae out of there? i think there have been constant efforts to get mr. bae home and we will continue to do everything we possibly can to get him home as soon as we can to his family. let s hope he s released. secretary kerry was just in china. absolutely. absolutely. you were going to say secretary kerry was just in china. he raised the issue of kenneth bae? is that what you re saying? he was just in china and he discussed the whole situation in north korea, the need for them to really make progress and show the world that they are going to be serious if the six-party talks are reconvened to deal with the human rights abuses in north korea and, of course, concern about ken bae still in north korea. what s your reaction to these reports that russia might be willing to build a nuclear reactor in iran in exchange for oil shipments from iran? is that something that the u.s. would welcome? well, i think i saw that news report. it was from iranians speaking about an oil deal with russia, possibly with russian exchange building them a second reactor. i think that we will see where we get with these negotiations on a comprehensive agreement which begin tomorrow with iran. as you noted, we had a very good first step in the joint plan of action where iran made very serious commitments to stop the advance of their nuclear program and, in fact, rolled it back in some regards and for that they got very limited and targeted sanctions relief from the united states, the european union. everybody is needing their commitments and tomorrow we re going to build on that first step because we don t want it to be the only step and we don t want it to be the last step because the international community has a lot of concerns about iran s nuclear program and the president is absolutely committed to making sure that iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon. and so far everything that they are supposed to do, according to this interim agreement that they have done, is that right? so far, everything that they are supposed to do in the interim agreement, it s a first step agreement because it s meant to build towards the comprehensive agreement and the joint plan of action even lays out some of the issues that must be addressed in a comprehensive agreement. so far everyone and the rest of us pro wvided relief have kept their commitments. that s a good sign as we begin this comprehensive negotiation but we go into this negotiation very clear-eyed, very sober. it s going to be very tough, it s going to be a difficult process and it s going to be tough to make the progress we feed to. we re going to do everything we can because it s important to the united states, it s important to our security and to the security of the world. let me get your reaction to the ayatollah s latest comments on this deal that s been worked out, the supreme leader ayatollah. he said this and i ll put it up on the screen for our viewers. what our officials started will continue. we will not renege. there is no use, it will not lead anywhere. he s saying that the program as has been built up will continue and is not going to move away. what is reaction to what i would regard as pretty tense, tough words? i think there are a lot of tough words about iran and about its nuclear program. what i care about is what iran does. much more than what iran says. we re at the beginning of a negotiation. everybody is setting out their positions. everybody is setting the table for this tough negotiation. so i m not surprised by the rhetoric that is coming out of iran. they were probably not surprised about what the united states is saying as well. what really matters is when we sit down at the negotiating table, that iran take the concrete verifiable steps, transparent and very real to give the international community confidence that they will not obtain a nuclear weapon and if they have a civil, peaceful nuclear program, it will truly be exactly that. ambassador sherman, thank you so much for joining us. thank you, wolf. up next, a 4-year-old is left to make his way through the desert alone as refugees flee the horrors of syrian s civil war. and you saw it first right here. the gop s fake websites that tricked democrats into voting for republicans. now you re going to see the changes that our cnn investigation has led to. 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i was born in 1980. he responds i have two children. do you want to see them again? god knows i do. i have nothing to hide. a man who calls himself a doctor pauses collecting his thoughts. so talk, answer quickly. are you cooking up lies, shouts the other. this video is one of eight obtained by syrian by activists. there is distinct iraqi accents asking about what is going on north of aleppo. it s clear that the interrogators are not with bashar al assad but rather with isis, the islamic state of iraq and syria. it s not clear what happened to these men but another chilling video we ll show you later may be a clue. early last year isis emerged as a major power in opposition-controlled areas in syria. since then, the ultra extremist group has imposed strict islamic law holding executions and opposition groups well over 2,000 dead. even al qaeda s leader has demanded isis leave syria. missing in the interrogation is any mention whatsoever of the assad regime. the only concern is the challenge posed by other opposition factions. who is erasing the slogans and symbols of isis on the walls, demanded the interrogator? i swear, i don t know as god as my witness who responds to this man. another interrogation, what were they saying about the islamic state? say the truth. save yourself. i ll speak the truth even if i lose my head, responds this man, who says he s called mustafa. all of these were found in the room of this man. activists describe him as an isis commander and intelligence officer. they found the abandoned video in january after he fled fighting between isis and other factions some of the clips and still shots show a young woman in the company of the man holding an ak-47 assault rifle. steady, he tells her, steady. clearly this was for this man and woman a private moment. so what happened to the interrogated man? it s not clear from the videos but one of the last recordings documents in detail ruthless-style execution by flashlight. ready? asks a voice off camera? 14 men, some apparently quite young are shot one after the other. the scenes are too graphic for us to show. some fall into the mass grave already dug. the new boss in this part of syria, none like the old boss. ben wedeman, turkey. that shows you the utter brutality of what is going on in syria right now. at the same time, listen to this. a 4-year-old left to make his way through the desert alone as refugees frantically escape the violence. it s one of the searing images of this brutal civil war which rages on and on and on as the latest efforts to stop it get bogged down. let s bring in our chief national security correspondent. how is this going on? we re really getting a vision inside the country as it disintegrates and it seems the most vulnerable, the ones that suffer the most. as a father, i think we are all having the same reaction and the sad fact is that int international efforts are failing. the two countries with arguably the most power to influence the situation on the ground, the u.s. and russia are pointing n fingers at each other. it gives the bleakest picture of the suffering. this is one victim on one day of syria s brutal civil war. a child crying, they died. my siblings died. my sisters. after his home was destroyed by a barrel bomb dropped by regime forces. this is another victim, a 4-year-old separated from his family as they fled the fighting. and now diplomatic efforts already crippled after peace talks in geneva broke up with no progress is resending recriminations. today, secretary of state john kerry blamed russia, until now a partner on the peace talks and the deal to destroy syria s chemical weapons. russia needs to be a part of the solution and not be distributing so many weapons and so much more aid that they are in fact enabling assad to double down. reporter: his russian counterpart sergey lavrov level d right back, saying it s the u.s. betting everything on a military solution. the obama administration largely dependent on geneva talks is looking for other options. none of us want boots on the ground but to visit other options that are viable then i think is the only thing that we can do. this is shameful. reporter: that leaves a broad range of alternatives which the white house is so far rejected from arming and training the opposition to covert operations to targeting regime forces with air strikes. if you are not willing to put any lives at risk under any circumstances or risk, then people simply think you don t care and since so many are willing to put lives at risk, they are going to determine the outcome of the battles that unfold in syria. reporter: the lost refugee was eventually reunited with this family, one small dose of relief for a country desperate for peace. senior administration officials tell cnn that the u.s. is now pushing for a new u.n. security council resolution condemning the atrocities and also improving the human humanitarian situation on the ground, in part to help syrians but that resolution will not likely include the threat of sanctions or force. it s not clear whether the russians would consider even a resolution without the threat of sanctions or force. this is really the situation we re in right now. and you see the folks on the ground. they are suffering and really reaching out for a sense of who is going to help them, who is going to ride to their rescue and we don t see that at this point. as is the case on other issues, there s a real slip between the u.s. and russia when it comes to russia. that s right. and we need them on this. jim sciutto, thanks very much. as a result of our own cnn investigation, there are changes to decoy websites that tricked democrats to donating to the gop. cnn s chris cuomo will discuss this extraordinary interview with george zimmerman about the night that he killed trayvon martin. stay with us. you re in the situation room. ] nearly 7 million clients. how did edward jones get so big? 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drew, thanks very much for that report. let s discuss what is going on with our chief congressional correspondent dana bash and cnn political commentator ryan lizza, washington correspondent for the new yorker magazine. this is why so many people hate politicians. this took me by surprise. you see campaigns stealing the urls so when you search a term in other words, if it says john smith for congress, you think that s a democratic candidate and you think you are giving money to john smith for congress. they are foiling people into a donation page and trying, it seems to me, to get them to give money to someone they don t want to give the money to. traditionally the page shows you a bunch of negative information about the person. that s par for the course. that s what is wrong with politics, too, but this took it a step further by tricking people into candidates that they don t want. dana, at least based on the reaction from drew griffin s report which we aired here, at least they are making a change. yes, they are making a change. let s face it, they got caught. they are making a change because they got caught. look, i think it s pretty hard to imagine that people out there would be surprised by anything in washington because the view of washington is not very high. but this isn t the kind of thing that you think happens in real life. i just finished house of cards and that is something that that s washington at its worse. people think it s the second season. it s the second season. that s how people think washington really is, which nobody is out offing people here. if cnn hadn t done this, they wouldn t have done anything about it. they say they got beat on the web and on our online strategy by the democrats in 2012 so we re proud of this because now we think we get it. i think they took the wrong lessons for why the obama campaign was successful. it wasn t about tricking people to donate to them. at least they ve made changes, glad we made that report. look at these job approval numbers for the president of the united states. right now his approval number is at 42% approval. 53% disapproval. a year ago exactly he was at 43% disapprove and 52% approved. if you look at the key states where vulnerable democrats are up for re-election, whether it s louisiana, north carolina, alaska, the president s approval numbers are even lower than nationwide and that does not bode well for these democrats if midterm elections are a referendum as they usually are. it doesn t. the flip side, maybe the good news is they were never planning on running on barack obama s coat tails. most of the states he lost to mitt romney even though he went on to win the white house. they have been planning for years to run as their own people, as you hear over and over again and to not, in many cases, run against the white house even though they are democrat. they are planning for that and they know that he is going to potentially be a drag, not necessarily because of his poll numbers now but because he was never popular in those states. running for re-election in arkansas, a democrat, i m sure his approval ratings in arkansas are lower than they are nationally. yeah. but look, there s a tight correlation between national approval and how many members of their own party in the house and senate you lose. if you look at the graphics, almost a perfect correlation. so it s in every democrat s interest to have an approval higher. how do they do that? they ve got until november, obviously, so how do you do that? that s a great question for the white house. how do they do that when they don t want him there? they just want him to be quiet. they don t want him to be out in public at all. one thing i would say, going back last month to the state of the union address, one thing that democrats who i talked to who are in charge of getting their fellow democrats elected were happy that the president didn t have a partisan approach. he gave the kind of speech that they hope eventually will change those numbers because it will remind people at least that they like him, which is half the battle for a lot of these democrats running up against the president. part of is out of hits control and part of the presidential approval is based on how people are feeling about the economy. and what s going on in the world at that particular moment. guys, thank very much. dana and ryan, thank you. good discussion. up next, george zimmerman said he hoped his life would go back to normal after the trial that captured the nation. but seven months after it ended, he s still getting death threats. i ll speak to chris cuomo about his interview with one of the most controversial people in the u.s. and sir charles is standing by live to join me in the situation room. my dad has aor afib.brillation, he has the most common kind. .it s not caused by a heart valve problem. dad, it says your afib puts you at 5 times greater risk of a stroke. that s why i take my warfarin every day. but it looks like maybe we should ask your doctor about pradaxa. in a clinical trial, pradaxa® (dabigatran etexilate mesylate). .was proven superior to warfarin at reducing the risk of stroke. and unlike warfarin, with no regular blood tests or dietary restrictions. hey thanks for calling my doctor. sure. pradaxa is not for people with artificial heart valves. don t stop taking pradaxa without talking to your doctor. stopping increases your risk of stroke. ask your doctor if you need to stop pradaxa before surgery or a medical or dental procedure. pradaxa can cause serious, sometimes fatal, bleeding. don t take pradaxa if you have abnormal bleeding or have had a heart valve replaced. seek immediate medical care for unexpected signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. pradaxa may increase your bleeding risk if you re 75 or older, have a bleeding condition or stomach ulcer, take aspirin, nsaids, or blood thinners. .or if you have kidney problems, especially if you take certain medicines. tell your doctors about all medicines you take. pradaxa side effects include indigestion, stomach pain, upset, or burning. if you or someone you love has afib not caused by a heart valve problem. .ask your doctor about reducing the risk of stroke with pradaxa. george zimmerman says he s still getting death threats seven months after he was acquitted in the death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. the former neighborhood watchman spoke to chris cuomo. there was a subject of race and plus the controversial law in florida such as stand your ground into the national spotlight. reporter: do you regret that you killed trayvon martin? it s a simple question but one george zimmerman can t seem to answer. unfortunately, the department of justice is conducting a civil rights investigation so those are the types of questions that because of the investigation i have to tread lightly and i can t answer them. reporter: we checked, the department of justice is investigating but charges are not expected. still, zimmerman s reluctance seems to be more than about legalities. do you have regrets? certainly i think about that night and my life would be tremendously easier if i had stayed home. reporter: if you could go back, you would have stayed home? certainly in hindsight, absolutely. reporter: as a point of clarification, you said my life would be so much easier. when you say i wish i had stayed home that night, are you thinking about you and also tray john martin? certainly i think about him. i think about my family. all the families that have been put in any type of a dangerous situation. so, yes, i think about everybody involved. but it s safe to say, if you could change how that night came out, you would both be alive today? i think that s just a different way of rephrasing that. reporter: if you could go back and do it again, you would have stayed home that night? i would have stayed home. reporter: so both of you would be alive today? that s a presumption i can t make. i could have gotten in a car accident when i left, so. reporter: but you wouldn t have wound up killing trayvon martin had you had it your way? he probably wouldn t have ended up attacking me if i had stayed home. and chris cuomo is joining us now. great work, as usual. george zimmerman wouldn t say he actually regretted killing trayvon martin. he says he s not haunted by the memories of that night. what do you make of that? i think he doesn t regret killing trayvon martin. i m not being simplistic. i think he feels he was a victim. he had to do this to save his life and it s almost impossible for him to do what even seems appropriate, which is to at least express remorse that you had to take a life to save your own. you don t think it was about the law? i know it wasn t. yes. and what does that make you? like a scapegoat. a scapegoat for the government, the president, the attorney general. they would be scapegoating you why? just to show that they are taking a position on something that matters to a lot of people? i don t know what they are thinking or why they are thinking it. all i know is that they are doing it. i don t know what agenda they have. he said he was a scapegoat for president obama and the attorney general eric holder. why do you think he feels that way? because they are two very distinct narratives here. there is the more obvious one which is this guy killed a black kid and got away with it. there are people who are angry. it shows a miscarriage of justice, it shows that there is not equality for blacks under law. but there is a parallel narrative, which is, well, the police and a state investigative authority both thought there wasn t a crime, that he only got prosecuted because of politics, he was made a scapegoat by politicians and still beat the case. this is about the righteousness of stand your ground. there are two narratives. he buys into the second one and that is what his reality is, that he s a victim, he did the right thing and did the right thing under the law and that s why he was acquitted. and he says he s still accused of being a racist, says he still gets death threats. i guess his life will never be the same. well, and it gets tricky, right? i think there s a substantial basis to the threats. he does wear bulletproof vests. he has a lot of security. what s the balance? he s alive. trayvon martin lost his life. and george zimmerman, if he were in any other state, maybe he s be rotting away in jail. i say maybe because his case, the facts of his case, to me, wolf, i wasn t surprised that he was acquitted during the trial. i think in just about any state the facts of his case may have made self-defense an option for him with a jury anywhere. so the interview has created a lot of reaction, a lot of buzz out there and i m anxious to get your sense to this reaction since the interview aired this morning on new day. look, how can you not feel outraged if you re sympathetic or a member of the african-american community when it seems that at least in florida, if not other places in the country, kids keep getting killed and there is no punishment. on stand your ground, it s no question a problem. it s not something that grew out of the natural defense of self-defense did. it was political. it was passed in the mid-2000s, 2005. and it s a problem. here s why i thought interviewing george zimmerman was important, wolf. you don t do it to hype him. you don t do it to celebrate i am had. you do it for the counter of those things. he s given credit for being this calculated zealot who knew how to work the system and got away with killing trayvon martin because he knew the law and how it worked. i don t think it s true. i think he s much less sophisticated when it comes to the law and how it works because i know that because he knew nothing. he didn t even watch the michael dunn trial. it s not that he s this calculating person. it s that, this is what happens when you have such a low bar for self-defense as you have in florida, that somebody can make a string of bad decisions and literally get away with murder, literally get bailed out of a killing. that s why it s a low bar and it has to be addressed. thanks for doing it, chris. we really appreciate it. thank you, wolf. appreciate the time and the attention. be sure to catch chris along with kate bolduan on new day every weekday at 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. the most news only here on cnn. just ahead, charles barkley goes one-on-one with the president of the united states. the former nba star will take his turn in the hot seat. he s getting ready to join me live here in the situation room. we ll discuss the president and a lot more. but first, a u.s. olympian who is making a difference on and off the slopes. we re going to tell you how he is saving stray dogs in sochi, russia. it s a story you don t want to miss. no matter how busy your morning you can always do something better for yourself. and better is so easy with benefiber. fiber that s taste-free, grit-free and dissolves completely. so you can feel free to add it to anything. and feel better about doing it. better it with benefiber. i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie s list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie s list. angie s list reviews you can trust. as he gets dressed. you know the shirt he ll choose. the wine he ll order. you know him. yet now, after exploring vineyards in the hills of italy, he doesn t order the wine he always orders. he asks to be surprised. and for that moment, he s new to you. princess cruises, come back new. did you run into traffic? 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i don t even know if i know how much it s changed, but it s just been insane. a whirlwind of excitement. just so much going on. reporter: you tweeted a picture of yourself on a corn flakes box. 12 hours later we were on a cereal box, it was crazy. but a huge dream come true. one of the biggest sports icons in the world have been featured on cereal boxes. to get to be one of those, that s insane. reporter: we want to see the dogs. can we go see the dogs? yeah. appreciate it. reporter: hi, mom. do you want sausage? . reporter: you heard there were stray dogs around here. what was that like when you start to hear the stories? it just kind of sucks for sure. i heard about the animals and they were grounding them inini them up and exterminating them. i didn t come here to be a spokesperson for humanity for the dogs. this particular family just really kind of touched me. i just think they re so cute and they need some help. so i m just going to try to bring this family home. hi, you re okay. look, come here. you re going to have to give this one a russian name. i was think like sochi was kind of night or khutor, or rosa, silver. reporter: are you going to show her your medal here? does she like it? gus has a bunch of family and friends lined up to adopt those dogs. he s getting some help from a local russian billionaire of all people with the paperwork necessary to get them out of the country. this guy is a dog lover who heard what gus was doing and like so many people who have heard gus s story, he got inspired. wolf, i guess a love of dogs transcends all nationalities, politics income brackets, all of it. rachel nichols, absolutely right as usual. thank you very much. coming up, he s an 11-time all star and won an him pick gold medal and beat out michael jordan for most valuable player award. but charles barkley says interviewing the president of the united states was probably the coolest thing he s ever done. sir charles, there he is. he s standing by live. we ll talk about the interview at the white house and a lot more that s coming up next. honestly? this deal was way too good to believe. instead of paying too much for an ipad, i got the surface 2. first of all, it comes with office and outlook. then, with free skype calls to phones in over 60 countries, i can talk to my cousins any time. and then, i got 200 gigs of cloud storage free so i can get my photos and stuff almost anywhere. others charge for that. surface is such a great deal. i feel like i should tell somebody. hey! honestly i want to see you be brave i want to see you be brave they re the days to take care of business.. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what s next. starts with freshly-made pasta, and 100% real cheddar cheese. but what makes stouffer s mac n cheese best of all. that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer s. made with care for you or your family. see, i knew testosterone could affect sex drive, but not energy or even my mood. that s when i talked with my doctor. he gave me some blood tests. showed it was low t. that s it. it was a number. 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[ male announcer ] be a weekender like ashley wagner at hotels like hilton and hampton. book now at hiltonweekends.com. happening now, president obama one on one. it s not your typical interview. when the president of the united states sits down with basketball great charles barkley and talks about hoop, health care and a whole lot more. stand by. race and sexual orientation in sports. and whether he still has game at age 52. do you wake up this ever happened to you, chuck, and you wake up and something hurts and you don t know exactly what happened? right? charles barkley joins us live to share his impressions of the president and their rare interview. i m wolf blitzer. you re in the situation room. president obama doesn t do many one on one interviews, and when he does he usually gets questions about policy and politics, so it s really interesting to hear him open up about his personal passion among other things being basketball. one that i admit i always share. the president sat down with the nba hall of famer charles barkley as part of the all-star game coverage on our sister network tnt. the interview hit some very serious topics including two sports stars who have revealed they re gay. the washington wizards jason collins, nfl draft pick candidate michael sam who came out just last week. what do you think about that? i really like the fact that michael did it before the draft because his attitude was, you know what? i know who i am. i know i can play great football. and judge me on the merits. speaking about attorney general holder announced the same-sex benefits package last week. think about basketball. you know, you think about what the nba was before african-americans were allowed to play on an equal footing. you think about some of the stories that even folks like oscar robertson, you know, tell of what they went through. you thing about what jackie robinson ended up meaning not just to baseball but to the entire society. i wouldn t be sitting here if it weren t for him. i think america s stronger where everybody is being treated with respect and dignity. what do you think of the term obama care ? i like it. i don t mind. i tell you five years from now when everybody is saying, man, i m sure glad we got health care, there will be a bunch of people who won t call it obama care any more because they don t want me to get the credit. you don t know what life will throw at you. people don t recognize, particularly young people, how important it is to get health care until you are sick and you may lose everything you have or your parents may lose everything they have trying to make you well. wee encouraging people to sign up. they ve got until march 31st to sign up for this year. if you speak to a specific group, you really talk about young adults. folks our age i won t call us old yet. we re knocking on the door. we re knocking on the door. once you re 50, you wake up sometimes this ever happen to you, chuck? you wake up and something hurts and you don t know exactly what happened? everything hurts when i wake up. when you were young, you know, you had to actually have an injury before something hurts. we d like to encourage more young people to sign up partly because since they re healthier, their premiums are actually generally going to be fairly cheap. they can find good options for less than their cable bill, less than their cell phone bill. it s just part of growing up is making sure you re taking care of your body, taking care of your health. if you ve got a young family, you have to make sure your family s protected with health insurance as well and this allows you to do it. you have an exciting initiative coming up called my brother s keeper. explain it. because when somebody explains it to me, it sounds amazing, but i want to hear it from you. we want to pull together private foundations, working with mayor, churches, nonprofits and focus on young men of color and find ways in which we can create more pathways to success for them. we re not going to create some big new government program, but we re going to work with communities, businesses so that whether it s helping to set up early childhood education so young people can read early or it is creating mentorship programs and apprenticeship programs so that a young person can get exposed to what a career is like in, you know, a factory as a machinist where you re getting paid 30 to $35 an hour but you might not even know that that option is available. across the board from the time they re young all the way through their first job, we want to help more young african-american men, latino men, succeed. we ve got more on the interview in a few moments. bring in the nba superstar, tnt sports analyst and my friend, charles barkley. thanks very much for joining us. thanks for having me. so what was it like? tell us how you felt. you re in the white house, you re interviewing the president of the united states. i was very nervous. i didn t get a lot of sleep the night before. i got up early in the morning because the interview didn t take place until like 3:00 in the afternoon. and it was a long day, wolf, to be honest with you. i was just very nervous. and i never get nervous, but i was really nervous going to the white house. why? why were you so nervous? well, i think any time you meet the president of the united states, it s got to be exciting, whether you re a democrat, republican or independent. i met president bush sr., i met president clinton before. and i ve actually met president obama before. but it s still exciting. it s obviously just a wonderful tonight, but to meet the president, you ve got to be somewhat nervous and also excited. and emotional, too, because you described this as being a very emotional experience. look, you grew up in alabama. did you ever in your life expect that you would be sitting down one on one with the president in the white house? never in my wildest dream. you know, wolf, i grew up in the projects of alabama. i ve got to tell you the coolest thing about the whole day. after we had finished doing the interview, we bump into each other again. he says, chuck, have you ever been to the oval office? i said, yeah, we do that in alabama all the time. and we both kind of giggled. and he gave me a little kind of quick tour. and it was one of the highlights. hnd he tweeted a picture of me standing next to the president in the oval office. it was just one of the coolest if not the coolest experience of my life. it s not just the president of the united states, he s our first african-american president of the united states. and so that must have been an especially powerful moment for you. that s what made it even more. like i said before, i had met president bush sr., president clinton, and that was cool, but to be in the white house with the first black president and stand in the oval office, i ve had such an amazing life. and that was just like icing on the cake, to be honest with you. it really is. even just walking into the white house and i was a white house correspondent for many years. every day you do it, you pinch yourself. you say, boy, what a country we have that something like this can happen. but talk about what he reflected on. we heard him in that excerpt from the interview talking about some of the earlier pioneers, jackie robinson, oscar robertson who paved the way for him and, in fact, paved the way for you. being at the all-star game this weekend, i got to see the great bill russell who is probably one of the great mentors i ever had in my life. guys like oscar robertson, wilt chamberlain, dr. j, moses malone, and i know those guys played a little bit later, but you think about it, i never had to do any heavy lifting. all the older black players and white players i think sometimes when we talk about civil rights and you go back to medgar evers and guys like that, those young black men that were killed in mississippi, there s always been a lot of white people who have never gotten the credit. i know the black people deserve most of the credit like rosa parks, but to go back to civil rights, there s always been great white people who marched with those great black leaders. why did you decide to raise the issue of gay rights, especially among athletes in the locker room or whatever with this president? well, i think it s important as a black man to always be inclusive. i m always against any form of discrimination. i learned that in bill russell. as a black player, we always want to be inclusive. and we ve all played with gay players. listen, we should not discriminate against anybody. and i think it s an insult to gay people to think that they re going to be looking at their teammates in a sexual way. that s an insult to all gay men. and we welcome them to the locker room. and i wish mr. sam the best. and i m glad attorney general holder announced same-sex benefits because they deserve the same-sex benefits as other men and women couples. charles, i m going to have you stick around. i have a lot more questions for you. we ll show more of your interview with the president of the united states. he s revealing why he doesn t shoot hoops as much as he d like to. also, later this you re going to find out why the former president bill clinton is on the sidelines and he s cheering. clinton 42. [ park sounds, sound of spray paint ] we asked people a question, how much money do you think you ll need when you retire? $500,000. maybe half-million. say a million dollars. [ dan ] then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to like pull it a little further. you know, i was trying to stretch it a little bit more. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i m going to have to rethink this thing. [ man ] i looked around at everybody else and i was like, are you kidding me? [ dan ] it s just human nature to focus on the here and now. so it s hard to imagine how much we ll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape? yea. yea, of course. [ sportscaster talking on tv ] last-second field go yea, sure ya did. [ male announcer ] introducing at&t digital life. personalized home security and automation. get professionally monitored security for just $29.99 a month. with limited availability in select markets. where you think you re gonna go when your time s all gone? [ male announcer ] live a full life. the new lexus ct hybrid with an epa estimated 42 mpg. the further you go, the more interesting it gets. lease the 2014 ct 200h for $299 a month for 27 months. see your lexus dealer. introducing cardioviva: for $299 a month for 27 months. the first probiotic to help maintain healthy cholesterol levels without a prescription. cardioviva. we re back with more of the one on one interview with president obama. charles barkley did the interview live. listen to his conversation about the game they both love. so i know you re a big basketball fan. right. i never thought i d say this. watching lebron james play at the peak of his superpowers is an amazing debate. i never thought i would say somebody like, this guy might be as good as a michael jordan. you know lebron, i know he probl lebron. when you re standing next to him and then you watch him close up, i ve never seen somebody that size that fast who can jump that high who is that strong whos that that much basketball savvy all in one package. so we don t yet know where he s going to be. now i m a chicago guy. and mike will always be the guy for me just because that was a magical moment for the city. and you know, he was a champion. but mike s now retired. lebron, when you look at him, you think he might be able to play high level for another seven, eight, ten years. he s 29 years old. in terms of every aspect of the game, lebron has a chance to be as good as anybody. you played basketball, obviously. how often do you get to play basketball now? you know, these days it s probably once a month. things happen. one is you just get a little older and creepier. the second thing is you got to start thinking about elbows and you break your nose right before a state of the union address. what s been fun is watching sasha who has been playing basketball now. he s in seventh grade. i had ra struggle watching my daughter play basketball. because i wanted her to be really, really good. where are you on that parent fan meter? i think it s a difference if you re a hall of famer. you probably have a higher standard than somebody who was a good high school player. retired nba superstar and tnt sports analyst charles barkley is still with us. you love basketball, he loves basketball. let me get back to that other subject you raised for a moment. gay rights. and gay basketball players. right now, as far as i know you tell me there are no openly gay players in the nba. i assume there are several gays who are playing in the nba, but they re not open about it. when they start coming out and playing on active rosters, how will they be received by their teammates, charles? well, i think they re going to be safe with their teammates. i think the public in large is more homophobic than guys in the locker room. i think we as players get a bad rap. if you go back and look at that michael sam interview, he told his team over the summer. he never had an issue. none of those players outted him on instagram or twitter or other all that social crap. and that was another college player who came out on his team. and he said he was treated great. i think players are going to respect each other. and we should respect each other. when you re part of a team, there s going to be agreements and disagreements. but you should always have respect for each other. that s one of the things that really surprised me, wolf, about that miami dolphins situation. i was blessed to play in the nba for 16 years. i cannot believe other teammates would let some of that stuff go on because when you re part of a team, like every now and then you might cross the line and say something, but i was very surprised and disappointed that other players on that miami dolphins team let some of that stuff go on. that s what disappointed me the most. yeah, disappointed a lot of us. let me quickly get your thoughts on a subject we spend a lot of time here in the situation room reporting on the past several weeks and months. dennis rodman and north korea. what s going on here? you know dennis rodman. i like dennis a lot. i think he made a mistake trying to think he could go to north korea and keep everything just about basketball. it s obviously a very tricky situation. i can t tell dennis what to do. he s a grown man. i wish he would not have went because i hated all the scrutiny he was going through. but you can t go to a country like that and say, i m just going to stick to basketball. it s not that simple. is there a question when you walked out of the white house and you ve been thinking about that interview you had with the president the other day and he took you around to the oval office, is there a question you now wish you would have asked the president that you didn t ask him during the course of that on-camera interview? not really. you know, i felt i wanted to i got everything i wanted to say, but the main thing, once i got over my initial nervousness, i wanted to savor the moment. when you re growing up and you leave alabama, you never, number one, thing that you re going to meet the president, you obviously never think you re going to get a chance to do a sitdown interview. i ll never forget it. i thought the coolest thing in my life i d ever done was when you stand on the podium and they play the national anthem when you get your gold medal, i was able to do that twice, and that was the coolest thing i d ever done in my life. and this surpassed that by far. i m sure it did. and you had a lot of cool things in your life. i saw you this weekend at the nba all-star game. every year, love doing it. there we are. we were at the tnt party. you saw kid rock performing there. it s a great moment. the whole weekend, isn t it? what s your favorite part of the nba all-star weekend? well, just the celebration of what we do. i thought the coolest moment of the weekend was when bill russell had his 80th birthday. kenny has a great saying, when you walk around the nba all-star weekend it s like a bunch of trading cards come to life. we do the best job out of all the all-star games. kid rock was amazing. the city of new orleans was amazing. but i take my hat off to the nba and the new commissioner adam silver. they just do a great job of celebrating the entire nba heritage. and it was awesome, as usual. i take my hat off to the new commissioner adam silver, as well. remember back in 2008 the former commissioner david stern, he took the nba all-star game to new orleans right not that long after katrina, and that city of new orleans, including the mayor, mary landrieu, everybody in new orleans was grateful to the nba going to new orleans showing their support and the folks of new orleans did an amazing job. you did a very good job yourself. maybe you want to come here in the situation room and help me co-anchor sometimes, charles. well, i got to say one thing to you, wolf. this is the first time in a long time your washington wizards are going to make the playoffs. so that s the good news i got for you today. i m with you. with you all the way. washington wizards fans, they re thrilled to hear that. you re a good analyst and you re spot on for sure. charles, thanks very much. thanks for having me. charles barkley is a legend in his own right. and i love that legends brunch every sunday morning of the nba all-star weekend when all those superstars including charles barkley, they show up. it is amazing. just ahead the 42nd president of the united states goes hog wild. stand by for bill clinton s new moment in the sports spotlight. 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death. a hung jury on the murder charge. reawakening many of the same feelings as the tray van martin case and prompting so many of the same questions. not just about how the case was tried, but the bigger picture as well. about race and justice in florida, that other states around the country that share florida s stand your ground law. even if that might not have been central hear. the question is whether a criminal justice system that is color-blind on paper ends up being otherwise in practice to the point that young lives are lost. did the law make it easier for michael dunn to pump three shots into jordan davis, and harder for the jury to reach a verdict. martin savidge brings us up to da date. reporter: it started as a confrontation at a gas station and ended with a 17-year-old shot to death. michael dunn fired nine times into davis suv even as it sped away. he then drove off with his fiancee to a hotel. he never called police. to many, the death of jordan davis was senseless and defenseless. but the 47-year-old dunn told a different story, claiming he simply asked for the music to be turned down. davis began making increasingly violent threats. it sounded like a barrel coming up on the window. dunn fired in self defense. no gun was found in the suv. we are here to commence the trial. many felt the first degree murder case seemed open and shut. angela cory, it was a chance of redemption, just seven months earlier, she failed to convict george zimmerman for killing another unarmed african-american teen, tray van martin. just so you know, we have two more witnesses for today. dunn s defense poked holes in the state s case, suggesting jordan davis had a gun, that his friends threw away after driving off in the suv. and cops bungled the case by delaying to look for it. never checked the bushes, never checked the dumpsters. you know when the detective alleges they did it? five days later. the prosecution had a weapon of its own. dunn s fiancee testified he never told her davis had a gun. and uttered the words that became a verbal smoking gunn. repeating what dunn told her as they first pulled up next to the suv with a thumping base. what did the defendant say? i hate that music. he seemed mild mannered, even meek as he vividly described the fear of the young men in the car beside them. i was in fear for my life. and was probably stunned. the trial took just days. many expected a verdict in hours. but deliberations dragged on and on. after four days it was clear the jury was divided. a mistrial was declared on the charge of murder for the death of jordan davis. his heart broken parents thank the jury just the same. we re so very happy to have just a little bit of closure. and as protesters demanded she resign, angela cory was promising a retrial. and once more, many americans found themselves upset with the state of florida. what happens to michael dunn? he faces a lot of time. by our count he could get up to 75 years for the attempted murder charges. he still has to be sentenced, his attorney is talking about the possibility of an appeal. you heard the prosecutor say she wants to retry him on murder. they will ask for a change of venue. martin savage for us, in florida. thanks so much. i want to bring in davis family attorney john phillips, and chuck hendricks. a former neighbor of michael dunn s who was on the witness list, but never called. i want to talk about your clients, jordan davis parents. we re in this strange middle ground right now, a mistrial on one count, guilty on others. how are they doing right now? they re okay. jordan s birthday was yesterday, we had a private ceremony, they understand what the jury s done and frankly we can t wait to hear from the jury and see how many hung up, whether it was one, two or why they couldn t reach a decision. perhaps that will help plan strategy for the future. does the davis family believe they overcharged in this case, seeking first degree murder? a lot of people suggesting that if she had gone for manslaughter, the jury may have an easier time convicting? usually people think of first degree murder as planning a blueprint, going out and buying a gun, and having this plan. michael dunn had a plan of his own, it was you re not going to talk to me like that fired three shots, four shots, paused, got out of his car, fired three more shots. not to mention all of the back and forth with his gun. that s a serious issue, and angela cory wanted the jury to look at it as a serious crime, premeditated murder. there were three convictions on attempted murder. each of the counts carries a minimum of 20 years, for all practical purposes, michael dunn will be in prison for the rest of his life. given that, the family of jordan davis, are they prepared to go through a trial again on a murder charge? certainly. michael dunn in their eyes isn t just an attempted murderer, he s a murderer. he completed the act of killing their son. michael dunn will be spending the rest of his life in jail, he hasn t faced ultimate justice for jordan davis. you live next door to michael dunn for eight years. you say the man you watched on the stand was different than the man you lived next door to. how would you describe the michael dunn that you know? all i can say is, what you see in public is not what you get behind closed doors. behind closed doors, what do you get? from my perspective, e egotistical and arrogant individual. he was always right, and smarter than everyone else. when you learned he had been arrested for shooting and killing jordan davis, were you surprised? no, sir, i was not. because. his superior than thou attitude and my personal experience with him trying to convince me i was wrong when i knew i was right, and how infuriated he would get if you didn t agree with him. he could be pretty intense. do you think it might have made a difference if the jury was able to hear from chuck, from neighbors like this who offer a different account? we believe show. i addressed this on some documentary film making being done on jordan davis life. and got to see more of the michael dunn in that missing period. the witnesses that tiffed were his father s friends or some that we had only seen three times in 15 years. if we were on trial for murder, wouldn t happen to average people. wouldn t we have better friends than that, there s that gap missing with michael dunn, and witnesses like mr. hendricks helped fill that gap. and we need them to come forward and tell their sides of the story so this family can get justice, youen cat victimize the victim by calling him a thug. and michael dunn is this caucasian businessman that gives him the benefit of the doubt. chuck, again, you say the michael dunn that you know is different than the one the jury saw. you say there were times where dunn s ex-wives came over to your house and talked to you about violent incidents inside their house. what did they tell you? he was beating on them. both of them at one time or another had come to my house and said that he had put his gun to their head and threatened to blow their brains out. like i said, in both the interview with jacksonville sheriff s department and for the documentary i stated quite emphatically i never witnessed it, but they came to me complaining about it. john phillips, chuck hendricks, thank you for talking to us. appreciate it. turning now to our equal justice panel. jeffrey, i do have to start with you, we did hear from that neighbor of michael dunn who made some claims, saying michael dunn is a violent man. he saw evidence that he beat his ex-wives. we never heard this type of evidence on the stand. there s a reason for that? i don t think any of that evidence would be add missibility, youen cat put on a witness to say the witness is a bad guy, egotistical. that s just not considered relevant evidence. and also, the most inflammatory thing he said, about the alleged use of the gun against these women, that would also probably be irrelevant, but it was also hearsay. he didn t see it, so i don t see anyway he would be allowed to testify. it does color the discussion. a lot of people were surprised by this verdict, you were not among them. you suggested this would be a hung jury, why? because the racial make-up, race informs everything in the criminal justice system. sunny had sent me the racial breakdown of the panel originally, and i said on this show. i said, it has all the earmarks of a hung jury. for the people who are criticizing angela cory for not going for manslaughter, was a smart stroke for her to charge first degree murder, she may well have not gotten a racially diverse jury in florida. you only and mark o mara will back me up on this. you only get 12 jurors, remember, zimmerman was 6. you charge first degree murder you get 12 jurors, that s why you have racial diversity here. spell it out for me, the white jurors? white jurors have a tough time looking at a situation like this through the prism of their own experience. when people use the term thug, people have come with a lot of baggage and that is brought right into a jury room, there are people who michael dunn resonates with, and unfortunately, i think that has a racial basis. we don t know for sure why they made their decision or who on the jury made that decision. you were surprised by the lung jury, arriva. you thought there was a good solid case for first degree murder? i was surprised. i thought in particular, the rebuttal of the case summed up so well what those jurors could do, which is use their common sense in finding michael dunn guilty, and i thought the way he laid out the case for them, he gave them a clear pathway to do that, i agree with mark, that there is a culture, and in particular in particular, that says that even the slightest altercation can end up in the use of deadly force. particularly when it s with an african-american teenager. i applaud the states attorney for saying they re going to retry michael dunn, it doesn t matter that he s going to spend the rest of his life in jail. we have to change this culture that says african-american teens get labelled thugs or gangsters because of the kind of music they listen to, that s not acceptable. kids are dying, and we have to do something about that. what about that culture? you tried a case that fell smack dab in the middle of this culture? what do you think about what she s saying? i don t think it s limited to florida, i have to defend my state a little bit. it s throughout the nation that we have a concern the way young black males are treated throughout the system i know the way the system is biassed against them, as mark said, it shows up in a jury selection process with, who you have on your jury panel. it shows up when you have a black defendant compared to a white defendant. it s definitely there, my frustration is, we have focused our anger on this stand your ground issue or self-defense issue. self-defense is never going away in florida or the country. it s an appropriate protection to have. stand your ground, i mention is this strange uncle of self-defense, it s there, it s not used very often. the reality is, i think people are frustrated with the way these two cases who were white men shooting black males seem to use a statute that gave them an out. the real frustration is the indictment of the system they ve been working under the last 50 years. these two cases, i think they re very different. the zimmerman case to me was a hard case, i don t really know what happened between trayvon martin and george zimmerman. this struck me as an easy case, he shot nine times into a car with unarmed kids and then ran off and never said anything to his girlfriend about a gun. i mean, what does it take to get a conviction? i you know, most of the studies show, and i think mark o mara will agree with me, trying these cases. the overwhelming number of these cases that are in the criminal justice system are not white guys with black victims, young men that are victims, the usual case is a young black defendant who is being processed through the system. that s what prosecutors are used to demonizing, that s what juries are used to being afraid of and they prey on that the system is designed to mess with young black males. i don t care what anybody says, can you see it in every courtroom. i tried cases all over the country, and young black males are kind of the ripe the target, if you will, of the criminal justice system. how do you win, then? i want to comment on your point about the prism, as i m going around this isn t scientific by any means, but talking to african-americans about this case, there was such disbelief that given the facts as we were shown throughout the trial, that anyone could determine michael dunn was anything but guilty. looking at him testify, we heard his neighbor talk about his arrogance, that was apparent to me as i watched him testify. he cried. he wept about a dog, and getting that dog so he could potty the dog. and his comments, his love for the fiancee, but his emotion about the killing of that young man was so different, flat. absolutely flat. i think that was telling about the attitude we re hearing about what s going to be portrayed in this documentary. someone had to believe michael dunn. they had to reasonably believe michael dunn thought his life was in jeopardy. and i said that the prosecution did not do a good enough job to get the conviction for first degree murder. i don t think it was a first degree murder unless dunn walked in with a chip on his shoulder and willing to un load his weapon on a black male. if it wasn t that. i don t think it was a first degree murder case. what happened, because of the way durn reacted and the way he presented himself, and at least the way dunn presented and the three other teens that jordan was acting in an arrogant way himself, they really questioned whether or not dunn turned into a first degree murderer in that moment or he saw a weapon. i don t think there was a shotgun in that car. but there was one thing i don t think was focused on by the defense. they talked about a tripod being in the car, the kids hiding or stuffing something under the seat. if jordan had that tripod just to put fright in the guy next door who was 345iking a k34r5i7b9 about t complain the about the music. if that s what dunn saw, it makes a reasonable explanation he was afraid. we ll pick this up in a moment. does this the legal system put young african-american at risk. you ll hear from george zimmerman. he s speaking about his acquittal and why he considers himself a victim, coming up. i m beth. and i m michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it s a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn t get into business to spend time managing receipts, that s why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative, we like interacting with people. so you have time to focus on the things you love. ink from chase. so you can. he was a matted messiley in a small cage. ng day. so that was our first task, was getting him to wellness. without angie s list, i don t know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. from contractors and doctors to dog sitters and landscapers, you can find it all on angie s list. we found riley at the shelter, and found everything he needed at angie s list. join today at angieslist.com peace of mind is important when so we provide it services you bucan rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you ll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what s next. a steel cage: death match of midsize sedans. the volkswagen passat against all comers. turbocharged engines against.engines. best in class rear legroom against other-class legroom. but then we realized. consumers already did that. twice. huh. maybe that s why nobody else showed up. how does one get out of a death cage? 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no. what does that make you? a scapegoat? a scapegoat for? the government, the president, the attorney general. others argue george zimmerman and michael dunn benefited from a law that makes it difficult for anyone to claim self-defense. benjamin crump is the attorney for trayvon martin s family and joins us now. zimmerman says he was within his rights to shoot trayvon martin. michael dunn said he was acting in self-defense as well. florida s self-defense laws, which do include the stand your ground issue, are they broken? absolutely. when you think about this vert recently with michael dunn, this stand your ground law allowed him to escape criminal liability for the death of jordan dunn just as george zimmerman escaped criminal liability for the death of trayvon martin. that s a problem, what messages we are sending out. when you think about these verdicts. when you kill an unarmed black child, you don t go to jail, but when you shoot and you miss attempted murder on the other occupants on the car you get held accountable. marissa alexander in jacksonville florida she shot a warning shot on the ceiling. she says stand your ground. what message are we send something don t miss? is that what stand your ground law means? don t miss? if you miss, you get off. if you kill a young black man, you go home, that s just troubling. do you think the verdict here would have been different had michael dunn been black and jordan davis been white? no question about it, this is an equal justice issue, where else does it work in america if you reverse the rolls and you have jordan davis killing unarmed michael dunn, or you have trayvon martin killing unarmed george zimmerman, where aren t those young black men convicted of first degree murder. we re just troubled as black parents, professionals, lawyers saying when does the system work for us equally like it works for your children. the system is run by the prosecutors here, the governm t government. we re up to the task here, the prosecutors are so used to prosecuting young black men, it s like their fish out of water. i don t think they understand the culture of trayvon martin. they don t understand the culture of jordan davis, and it s a situation, can they even relate to them and say their life has value, this is not a case about loud music, they try to say loud hip-hop thug music which are code words for black and other racial epithets, and really what this was about was a stand your ground law that legalizes murder of certain individuals in america, namely minorities, namely young black men. you worked hard with trayvon martin s parents, you ve been through a lot with them. what advice would you give to the family of jordan davis as they look ahead? well, certainly trayvon s parents and jordan davis parents have communicated frequently. they re part of a fraternity that nobody wants to be involved in. and i believe jordan s father told mr. martin he was supporting him, watching him, going to rallies, never knowing he would be in tracy martin s seat months later. the message is, we all have to do something about this, we have to go to the legislature, we have to vote, and we have to serve on juries. because i think as mark geragos said, it matters when you have diversity in that courtroom because we got to make sure that they can understand all black men aren t criminals, they re not thugs, and a lot of us are good decent people that want our children to have what you want your children to have. a quick reminder, we ll be exploring the story and the implications of it in much greater depth later tonight, in a race and justice report, can you catch us starting at 10:00 eastern time right here. just ahead for us next, a hijacked plane bound for rome lands safely into geneva, new details about what happened midair after the co pilot commandeered the flight and locked the pilot out of the cockpit. gary tuchman takes us inside a church where deadly snakes are a measure of faith, despite the dangers they pose. rything. an expert ford technician knows your car s health depends on a full, complete checkup. the works. because when it comes to feeling safe behind the wheel, going the distance and saving at the pump you want it all. get our multi-point inspection with a a synthetic blend oil change, tire rotation, brake inspection and more for $29.95 or less. get a complete vehicle checkup. only at your ford dealer. yeah. try new alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heartburn and taste awesome. these are good. told ya! i m feeling better already. 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i mean, there s it seems like there s easier ways. there are easier ways to get asylum if that s what you re after. what happens to this guy now, is he going to be extradited back to ethiopia? as i said, he s in custody right now, the swiss authorities are telling us it s too early to tell. ethiopia is a country with internal problems. the swiss are saying, clearly, hijacking a plane is not the way to do this, and if anything, he will probably end up in jail or be deported as you said, now, air piracy as they call it in switzerland carries up to 20 years. this plan is clearly in for a lot of trouble. you said the pilot was banging on the cockpit door to get back in. what about the passengers. we know they weren t hurt. yeah. what do they know about what was going on? you know, that s one of the really bizarre things about this as well, he did apparently make that cockpit announcement, some of them knew what was going on, there are other passengers who slept through all this or didn t know what was going on. and many of them apparently when the plane landed. this is the really strange thing, they actually thought they had just touched down in rome, they were quite surprised when a special forces unit of the swiss police entered the plane and told them to put their hands up and there would be a search of the plane and finally let them off. at least nobody was hurt on that flight, apparently most of them were taken on buses and then brought to rome later, a lot of them only after touching the ground did they notice that something was very wrong with their flight. it raises questions about the possibility of rogue pilots and security, how do you protect yourself from something like that. thanks for joining us, appreciate it. there s a lot more happening tonight, susan hendricks has an ac 360 bulletin. late word of injuries on board a united airlines flight out of denver. the plane encountered severe turbulence as it was making its descent into billings montana. the captain declared a medical emergency. investigators in four states are scouring cold case files after a 19-year-old murder suspect, miranda barber told a reporter she killed more than 22 people. she s charged in the killing of a pennsylvania man, some experts are now raising doubts about her serial killing claims. and more than 60,000 babies, a record high were born in the united states in 2012 through the use of reproductive technology. most were conceived through invitro fertilization. more women are using one embryo at a time to avoid multiple births. a mississippi couple got more than they expected without any help from fertility treatments. they thought they were having triplets. during the delivery, three baby girls turned out to be four baby girls. quads without the help of fertility treatment is rare. i have a couple identical twins of my own, assign a color to each one and stick with it for four or five years. four girls, i m exhausted thinking about it. with quads, nothing is going to work for a long, long time. coming up, this is a crazy story. a kentucky pastor who started a reality show about snake handling in church dies from a snake bite after refusing to be treated. we ll take you inside a similar church to see why deadly snakes are part of the service, despite the obvious dangers, next. and later, north defectors talk about being tortured for watching soap operas. a scathing report on the brutality of the north korean regime, stay with us about 00,00, 800,000 hours of supercomputing time, 3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. whether it s building the world s most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. at boeing, one thing never changes. our passion to make it real. sorry to interrupt, i just want to say, i combined home and auto with state farm, saved 760 bucks. love this guy. okay, does it bother anybody else that the mime is talking? 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tragedy of 9/11 have been seated in the minds of many people. and this is not the time to relax, because we know there are terrorist groups that are still determined to carry out attacks, including against especially against aircraft. has there been chatter that would indicate any kind of terror link in this mystery? i think there s a lot of speculation right now. some claims responsibility have not been confirmed or corroborated at all. we are looking at it very carefully. we, cia, are working with fbi and tsa and others, our malaysian counterparts doing everything they can to try to put together the pieces here. but clearly this is still a mystery, which is very disturbing. and until we actually can find out sort of where that aircraft is, we might have an opportunity to do some other forensic analysis that will lead us in the right direction. at this point, you re not ruling out that it could be no. some sort of terror not at all. not ruling out. he says not at all. the head of interpol, the international police agency, is, though, downplaying, seemingly downplaying, the possible link to terrorism. ron noble saying indications increasingly point to some other explanation. more on this coming up. malaysian authorities have identified two passengers traveling on stolen passports. and they say it s unlikely they were part of a terrorist group. the two passengers traveling with the stolen passports were young men from iran. authorities say they entered malaysia using valid iranian passports, but they used stolen austrian and italian passports to board the plane. our senior international correspondent, nic robertson, is joining us from london, investigating what s going on. police say there is no evidence the two young men were part of any terrorist group. what do authorities say they know about these two individuals? reporter: well, they believe they were young men. one of them, the one en route to frankfurt, was going to meet his mother there. indeed they say it was his mother who raised the alarm when he didn t get off that flight. it seems he was trying to illegally emigrate to germany, at least. coming initially, as you said, from iran, using his own passport, along with the other young iranian, getting to kuala lumpur a week before flight mh-370. what we are hearing, though, from interpol, from the secretary general, ron noble, is specific to these two men. but as far as they were concerned, where there was so much focus on the question of whether or not they were on board with stolen passports to commit terrorism, he seems pretty clear on that. this is what he said. the more information we get, the more we re inclined to conclude that it was not a terrorist incident. and if you read what the head of police from malaysia said recently about the 19-year-old whose photograph is here, wanting to travel to frankfurt, germany, in order to be with his mother as part of a human smuggling issue and not a terrorist issue. reporter: so that rules out, it appears, those two young iranians. but there are more than 200 other people on that flight. and what we understand from the malaysian police is the investigation is looking at sabotage hijacking. the possibility of psychological breakdown of someone on board or personal issues between crew or passengers on board that aircraft. the fact they re not talking about mechanical failure, talking about the potential of hijacking and sabotage, pretty much hijacking and sabotage fall you said the auspices of terrorism, certainly in many circumstances, wolf. so you can see that the malaysians too, while ruling out these two individuals, traveling on the stolen passports, there s a lot of room left open for the potential there could be somebody else on there, wolf. and what do you make of what we just heard from john brennan, cia director? he seems to be going out of his way, first of all, talking about the threat from terrorists against aircraft, u.s. aircraft, other aircraft. but then he says he s not ruling out terrorism, not at all. those are pretty pointed words he s saying. absolutely. look, we know al qaeda likes to target aircraft. they have had various plots, 9/11, the bojinka plot, liquid explosives plot coming out of europe, as well. and al qaeda has even been on the record of saying that the pilot should administer a drug to the co pilot so he can take control of the aircraft. what has investigators so focus and had so concerned is now this period of time that it appears the aircraft was operating with a transponder off. how did it come off? how did the plane fly so many hundreds of miles back the route that it had come on at 90 degrees, cross over malaysia again. how did that happen? the aircraft was flying. the transponder was off. there were two people in that cockpit, at least. were there other people? was it hijacking in that way or had the air crew taken control? irresponsibly? again, this is all speculation. but these are all the loose ends out there. and it s caused by this period of time that the plane was flying with a transponder off, and extended and unexpected period of time, wolf. nic robertson with the latest from london. nic, thanks very much. so if the terror angle seems to be played down, at least by some, what does that leave others for explanations? let s bring in congressman adam schiff, democrat from california, senior member of the house intelligence committee. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. you bet. all right. so what do you make of what john brennan, cia director, is saying when he says not at all. he emphasized those words, not ruling out terrorism. what are you hearing? well, i think he s exactly right at this point. we really can t rule anything out. we do know a lot more about these two passengers, but we probably know more now about those two passengers than we do with the other more than 200 on board. so we re scouring the manifest, seeing if we can make any connections with any other passengers on board. we re looking for any kind of chatter, was there any evidence that we had before this of an airline plot around this time or in this location. so far, i think it s fair to say that nothing has leapt out at us. it could be, you know, a plot that was hatched in southeast asia that didn t involve someone on the aircraft, but someone who put something on the aircraft. so, you know, we can t rule anything out. i think that s certainly fair to say. you just don t have a plane of this size go completely missing and be able to rule out any possibility. because you remember, all of us remember, before the sochi winter olympic games, there was a threat alert that was issued by the u.s. about toothpaste bombs getting on plaenls. there seemed to be some targeting of aircraft. have you heard anything in all of your briefings linking what happened with the malaysia airlines plane and that earlier threat that had been so widely disseminated? wolf, i haven t. i really haven t seen any indication of linkage between the disappearance of this plane and the threats we were so concerned about around the olympics. and that s exactly what we re looking for, connections to those threats. but also did we hear any kind of chatter about airline plots that might be connected to this. were there things we saw earlier but didn t make the connection and now with this missing plane there may be a connection? are there groups taking responsibility? sometimes that can be misleading. so we re looking into all of this. we ve seen also cases in the past where there were psychiatric problems among the pilot or crew. that could be cause and factor. it still could be a mechanical failure, but we re going to be obviously scouring all the intelligence leads while we search for the aircraft. what are you hearing about the pilot and the co pilot? not very much. they were both very experienced. i think the early analysis looked at whether this was a problem with their training, did they not have enough hours in the air. was this similar to the situation of the plane that crash-landed in san francisco. but, you know, the pilots look well-trained. the airplane looked like it was in good condition. the weather was good. this is why it was so mind boggling this plane has just completely vanished. are you getting the kind of cooperation from the malaysian authorities you would anticipate in a situation like this? i raise the question, because some have criticized malaysia for giving out all sorts of conflicting information. you know, i think we re getting good cooperation. i haven t heard of any problems, probably the biggest concern is not the cooperation we re getting now, but the fact that so many countries don t check the interpol database. so they don t look for these stolen passports. we and other countries, not all countries, but certainly we and the british and others make sure that we tap the databases that can tellis whether people are flying with stolen documents. and these two on this plane may have been completely innocent of the downing of the plane. but it doesn t mean that this is not a gaping security of vulnerability that needs to be fixed, because it could lead to terrorists to take advantage of this in other cases. adam schiff, as a member of the house intelligence committee, congressman, thanks for joining us. thanks, wolf. aviation experts have some theories about what might have happened to flight 370. we re going to talk to a former managing director of the ntsb about possible scenarios. that s coming up. also, the chair of the senate intelligence committee has some harsh words for the cia over the alleged hack of congressional computers. are you still sleeping? 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easy. it s eb. eggland s best. better eggs. it s eb. this is cnn breaking news. and the breaking news, some more mysterious information just coming into cnn from the malaysian air force. the malaysian air force says it has now traced the last travel of malaysia airlines flight 370 to a very small island in the straits of malacca, according to the senior malaysian air force official. the official declined to be named, because he s not authorized to speak to the news media. but the official says that about 2:40 a.m. local time, the civilian and military radar lost all contact with the aircraft, strait of malacca is in a body of water that separates the peninsula from the indonesian island of sumatra. it s many hundreds of miles from the usual flight path for aircraft traveling from kuala lumpur to beijing. so it was way, way off course, according to this malaysian air force. no explanation, obviously, given. still no sight of any debris. no sight of this airliner. peter goels is joining us right now, former ntsb managing director. so the this air force official from malaysia, peter, is now saying the plane was hundreds of miles off course from where it would have been going if on a normal route from kuala lumpur to beijing. what do you make of that? even more perplexing. i think it starts to narrow the options down. if this report is true, it means a couple things. one is, was there someone unauthorized in the cockpit ordered the transponder turned off, ordered the plane to fly, you know, 90-degree turn off course. second is did one of the pilots do it themselves? is this something that was commanded by one of the flight crew? it s really increasing the concerns. but you ve got to zero in now on the flight crew and their background. were they in any kind of financial difficulty? were there other concerns being raised? and you ve got to go look at who was on that plane. the two pilots, one i think 53 years old, very experienced. the younger co pilot, 27 years old. obviously a lot less experienced. both malaysian pilots. both seemingly with good reputations. but there have been histories, and you can remind us, of when pilots deliberately wanted to bring down their aircraft. i m referring to that egypt airline crash and that silk airline crash. tell us about those. well, both. in both cases, the ntsb determined that the pilot took control of the aircraft and in the case of silk air, turned off the flight voice recorder and dove the plane from 30,000 feet into a river. he disabled his co pilot. in the egyptair, the co pilot took control of the plane while flying pilot was out of the cabin on a rest room break. they actually got into a struggle in the cockpit to get control of the plane. and unfortunately, the co pilt pilot turned the engines off and the plane crashed into the north atlantic. so you do have two cases where pilots have deliberately flown their planes into the ocean. and is it that is it that easy, peter, to simply push a button and the transponder goes off and then no one can monitor where that plane is heading? it is not difficult. you can either you can either turn the transponder off in the flight controls and in front of you. you can because you can use it to squawk for a hijacking. or you can turn the circuit breaker off, which would shut down both the transponder, you can shut down the voice recorder, you can shut down access to the data recorder. so and then in the case of silk air, that s precisely what the pilot did during the final moments of that flight. hold on for a moment. because i want the you to react to this next report. andrew stevens is joining us now, correspondent in kuala lumpur in malaysia. up date our viewers, andrew, what we re learning precisely, and what it may suggest. reporter: well, we re hearing, wolf, now the last reported position, last position the plane was seen, was over a small island in the strait of malacca. this is on the subpoena sit side of the country of malaysia to the flight path where it s supposed to be going. what we can tell you at this stage is that the plane officially was last contacted and was last seen at a way point heading towards vietnam on its way towards beijing. then the transponders apparently were switched off. the second it was still able to be tracked by radar. it s called primary radar. the plane then did what apparently looks like a u-turn, went back across the country of malaysia to the other side, the west coast, which is the strait of malacca, and was last seen on radar over a little island which is in the middle of the strait of malacca, between malaysia and indonesian, about 200 kilometers or so, 150 miles off the west coast of malaysia. that s what we re hearing at the moment. we don t know what happened then. but the actual plane disappeared, the radar contact disappeared at around about 2:40 a.m. that s about two hours after it took off and about an hour after the its last official position, just as it was entering see aetna mays air space from malaysian air space. so from this point, looks like evidence is growing, the malaysian air force, we re hearing we ve been talking to a senior air force official here. he can t give his name, because he s not he s not responsible for speaking to the media. but certainly he is telling us this is what the situation is, where this plane went. so we re talking about looks like basically a u-turn back across to the other side into the straits of malacca. so basically what you re saying, andrew, based on this information from this malaysian air force official, the search under way for four days, that search has been going on in totally unrelated waters, right? they haven t even started this search, if you hear where this plane disappeared, this malaysian air force official, saying it disappeared hundreds of miles away. well, no, wolf. they have been searching in that area, gradually expanding the search, expanding the search. they began the search looking over the last known contact point of that plane. but as the days have gone on, they have started searching across the straits of malacca. it s been a little bit difficult to follow, because the authorities have obviously been aware of this for some time but haven t let this information out. but by looking at what they re doing with the search pattern, that pattern has been going further and further out across the straits of the malacca, into where that air where that plane was last seen and sort of unofficially, if you like. just from my understanding of this, wolf, when the plane was last officially seen, the transponders were on. it was sending a signal which verified it was that particular aircraft. when the transponders were turned off, a primary radar which is used by both the military and the civilian authorities, continued to track the plane or track what they thought was the plane. they couldn t actually confirm whether it was the plane. but certainly it looked like it was the same plane carrying on. but just veering off and going back over malaysia. so that alerted them to the fact that they had had possibly it turned around, and they started searching in that area a day after the initial search got going in the area where it was last officially seen. so yes, they are looking in the straits of malacca. that search extends ever further out at this stage. no indication they found anything. still haven t found anything. i assume they re searching not just over the waterses but over nearby land, is that right? reporter: correct, yes. the search area includes basically the spine of malaysia, if you like. and on into the waters of malacca on the other side of that is indonesian, the island of sumatra. i m not aware they are searching assusumatr sumatra. if this information is correct and looks like it is, that plane would have crossed over. but its last what they think its last position was, was the islands of this paola paraq, a tiny rock roughly in the middle of the straits between malacca and indonesian sumatra. so suggested the plane was flying over water when it was last seen. i want you to stand by, an drew. we re getting more information, and once again, we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and now around the world, as well. we re following the breaking news, a malaysian air force official now telling cnn this plane was way, way off-course. looked like it made a dramatic u-turn. malaysian air force radar tracking this plane for an hour after the transponder apparently was shut down. peter goelz is still with us, former ntsb managing director. peter, give us your analysis of what we just heard in that report from andrew stevens in kuala lumpur. i think the most important thing is, finally government officials are starting to come clean with exactly how much they know from other radar sites. it was clearly this is a busy strait. it s a busy air space. there had to be other radar units tracking this flight, and where this flight showed up. twa flight 800 had eight different raiders monitoring at any given time. if this is true, it really is zeroing in on what was going on in the cockpit, and why. and it s once they started to expand their search in the opposite direction of where the flight was headed, that was the tip-off. they knew something was going on. and what s so intriguing, peter, and i want yourle analysis of this. it looks like at least for an hour that aircraft, that boeing 777 was flying without its transponder on. so somebody had deliberately or maybe there was a mechanical failure or whatever. but that transponder was off for an hour at least if you believe this malaysia air force official. that s correct. and it s you have to have a very deliberative process to turn the transponder off. and if someone did that in the cockpit, they were doing it to disguise the route of the plane. i mean, there might still be mechanical explanations on what was going on. but those mechanical explanations are narrowing quickly. is it theoretically possible that the transponder just breaks down for whatever reason, but the rest of the flight is okay? that you can fly a commercial airliner like that, a boeing 777, without any other problems, even though the transponder has collapsed or failed? well, i mean, there are redundancies throughout the aircraft. you now, having a transponder go down does not shut down your communications. the flight crew can still communicate. they would be informed that the transponder was down. they could communicate with flight controllers. this kind of deviation in course is simply inexplicable. i totally agree. hold on for a moment, andrew stevens is holding on in kuala lumpur. jim sciutto, internatural security correspondent. intriguing comments, jim, from the cia director, john brennan, he s not ruling out terrorism. and his words, quote, not at all. what else are you hearing? no question. first of all, truly remarkable developments today. the idea that one, the plane had a completely different location than was originally thought. in fact, on the other side of that peninsula. and two, also the circumstances vastly different from the working theories. a sudden event that disabled the aircraft or brought it down. in fact, made a u-turn and flying for an hour. so and these, of course, then changed the calculations about what the possibilities are. as you say, had an opportunity to ask the director of the cia a question about in this morning. he was speaking at a council on foreign relations event so i asked him about this transponder being turned off and does that give him further suspicion, the agency any further suspicion this was an act of terror. his response was they were still looking at that as a possible explanation. they have not ruled out terrorism for this flight, and he mentioned a number of other questions that were raised as a result. one, turning off the transponder. you know, the possibility of these passports and so on. so it looks like they re keeping these lines of inquiry open, and, of course, as the circumstances change, that makes something like this more plausible. and it is different, and i will say, wolf, you and i have had a lot of conversations about this in the last few days. he left the door open to terrorism more so than u.s. and intel officials have been doing in the last even 24 hours. he certainly did, when he emphasized the words not at all and he himself spoke about terrorists still out there, determined to go after aircraft. he was the one that seemed to be suggesting maybe there is we don t know maybe he knows a lot more, obviously, than we know. maybe there is some sort of connection. let me go back to andrew stevens in kuala lumpur. andrew, you re there in malaysia, and there has been some criticism of malaysian authorities for not sharing all of this information with other countries, with other investigations that have now been under way. are they sensitive to some of that criticism? we re hearing about the malaysian investigation. reporter: they re definitely sensitive to it. and they come back and say we have been as open as we possibly can, wolf. and they are, quote one of the u.s. commanders in the fleet is saying how impressed he is with their handling of the rescue or search operations and the fact that there does seem to be a reasonably open line of communication. but certainly there has been a lot of criticism, particularly from the family members. want to go back to what jim was saying about leaving the door open on the two passport holders. malaysian police over the past 24 hours or so have been steering the line of this investigation into much more of a this more likely a people smuggling operation than anything. if you think about there were two iranian nationals who traveled on these passports. one was 19 years old, one was 28 years old. one was going on an as tr austrn passport to beijing on to amsterdam and frankfurt. his mother is in frankfurt. the other traveling under an italian passport, going to koeppen hagen. that was the foenl destination there. and they say this looks at this stage, at least, more likely to be a people smuggling operation and perhaps an asylum-seeking operation than a terror terror concern. so that s what we re getting on the ground here. certainly they are getting criticized for not having enough information going out, wolf. they say they re doing what they can. stand by, andrew. jim sciutto is our chief national security correspondent. jim, you wanted to weigh in. i just want to clarify. when i said the cia director was leaving the door open, not to those passports being a terrorist event. because that s the same information we have been getting since yesterday, that it fit a pattern, u.s. intelligence officials have told me, of human smuggling, rather than tied to any terror event. so to be clear, the cia director, leaving though open another tip, possible terror connection, separate from those two iranians traveling on those stolen passports. just another point i would make on that, wolf. i spent a lot of time in iran. you do meet a lot of young people there who want to get out of the country and are desperate for any path out of the country. most of the time, legal. looking to emigrate to other places. but if they can t find that path, they do look into alternatives to get there. and that appears to be what these two young men were doing. yep. all right. good point. jim, stand by. peter goelz, stand by. everyone, stand by. we re going to continue the breaking news coverage. we have now learned from a malaysian air force official that plane, the malaysian airliner flight 370, had the transponder shut off for at least an hour while it made a u-turn and was way, way off course on the normal route between kuala lumpur malaysia to beijing and china. the breaking news coverage continues in a moment. when it s donut friday at the office i use my citi thankyou card to get two times the points at the coffee shop. which will help me get to miami.and they ll be stuck at the cube farm. the citi thankyou preferred card. now earn two times the points on dining out with no annual fee. go to citi.com/thankyoucards. i m bethand i m michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it s a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn t get into business to spend time managing receipts, that s why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative, we like interacting with people. so you have time to focus on the things you love. ink from chase. so you can. i can t believe your mom has a mom cave! today i have new campbell s chunky spicy chicken quesadilla soup. she gives me chunky before every game. i m very souperstitious. haha, that s a good one! haha! [ male announcer ] campbell s chunky soup. it fills you up right. this is cnn breaking news. i m wolf blitzer reporting. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. we want to update you on the breaking news regarding missing malaysia airlines flight 370. the malaysian air force top official now telling cnn, the plane was way, way off-course when it went missing. that, according to this official who declined to be named because he s not authorized to talk to the international news media. the malaysian air force traced the last signs of the plane to a small island in the straits of malacca. if the air force information is correct, the plane was flying in the opposite direction from its scheduled destination. it was not on the route scheduled to fly from kuala lumpur in malaysia to beijing and china. there is a lot to assess right now. this is very, very important information, just coming out in the course of this investigation. kit darby is a veteran pilot of a boeing 767, president of k kitdarby.com, a consulting firm here. thanks very much, kit, for joining us. let s talk about this information. how extraordinary, unusual, is it that the transponder, and you pointed out to me, there are usually two transponders, both are out and the plane is flying in a u-turn hundreds of miles from its scheduled route? it s very, very unusual. i have to say, there is a backup. so it appears to be either a power failure you could lose power, which would take out both transponders. but you could still fly a plane? you could. it will fly without electricity for a long time, up to an hour or so. which coincides with the problem we have here. it could have been an electrical issue. could have been the pilot. there are a lot of data sources. i think we ll have a lot more information about what actually happened. but there could have been something that caused the pilot to take the airplane off course, or, of course, could have taken that action himself. have you ever seen in all of your years flying anything along these lines? i ve got to tell you. myself and my captain friends that have all been out there doing this for many years are totally baffled by this particular set of circumstances, as it originally appeared. i m much relieved we have an hour s worth of flight after the data is off. i would be interested to see what that data shows, whether the airplane was placed on purpose, divert to go an alternate without communications is possible. they had an alterior plan. that is possible. if they find the recorders, flight data recorders, voice recorders, so-called black boxes, would we learn that information? we would, but i think we ll know sooner. this airplane emits information every few seconds, constantly emitting information to the ground. assuming that was working and it is available in this area in most cases, we should have detailed information on what this airplane did from its automatic communication of its position, engine status, aircraft status, everything about that. who has that information now? normally, it would go to the people that air traffic control and the people that record the data for monitoring the airplane. the malaysia government saying this airplane disappeared? i m not sure it would go to the malaysian government, it would go to the close air control and the company monitoring the airplane for the airplane. let s go to andrew stevens reporting on this. he s our correspondent there on the ground. and for viewers that were just tuning in, andrew, up date them precisely on what you re hearing from this senior malaysian air force official. reporter: wolf, what we re hearing is the plane undertook a u-turn, and traveled back across the country of malaysia into the strait of malacca, on the other side, virtually opposite to its intended flight path, where the authorities lost contact with it over a very small island, roughly between malaysia and en indonesian. behind this is the story of the transponders. what we know is the plane is last officially seen and verified, if you like, just as it entered vietnamese air space from malaysian air space on its way to beijing. the transponders stopped working. we don t know why. it was then tracked on what s known as a primary radar. but the primary radar does not have the same level of sophisticati sophistication, cannot pick up what plane it is. but they continued to monitor this plane, which they consider they thought to be flight a-370. it did a u-turn. it flew back across malaysia, as i said, across into the straits of malacca. that was about for about one hour or so. and that radar image they were looking at disappeared around this very small island, pretty much in the middle of the straits of malacca, between malaysia and indonesian. this does join the dots in some ways, because it s been two or three days. the malaysian air force has been saying there is a possibility that it may have turned around. that s all they said. they haven t elaborated on that possibility at all. this now looks like that s exactly what happened. we re getting that information from a very senior source in the malaysian air force source, not authorized to speak to the international media, so we cannot name that person. but it does fit in with the fact that in the in the air where it s thought to have gone down, when it first lost contact, no sight there of any wreckage of any debris, nothing. now the search is starting to concentrate much more. it has been looking across that area, but the focus now gets much, much harder on this area around this island. and the immediate vicinity. stand by, andrew. andrew stevens in kuala lumpur. richard quest is joining us in new york right now. this is a major breaking news right now, richard. and you have flown this route. you know at least one of the pilots. give us your analysis of what we have just heard. reporter: you re absolutely right, wolf. this completely changes the scenario. and you know how you and i were saying and have been saying until we get more information, you really can t take it too much further. well, this is exactly the sort of information that one would be looking for. first of all, this change of direction. secondly, the switching of or the stopping of the transponder messages. one can speculate a million reasons why. but other systems at that point could have been switched off. in the last few hours, i ve been asking 777 pilots about how easy it is to obviously, the transponder is very easy to switch off. but things like the acar systems and these other things. the it is possible. it s not that difficult, if you know what you re doing. and it does explain that extraordinary decision yesterday by the dca, the investigating authority, to shift the and to widen the search to the malacca straits off the west coast of malaysia. now, it raises a whole host of other issues and problems. not least, wolf, how did this plane change direction and fly for an hour and a half and nobody bothered to send a fighter jet up or nobody bothered to try and see what was going on? i guarantee you this. if a plane in europe or the united states, a large 777, was went off course for an hour and a half, then somebody would be asking some very searching questions. but they re questions for another day. at the moment, we now know a better position of where that plane might be. and now the search can be focused in that area. which is obviously critically important. richard, stand by. tom fuentes is our law enforcement analyst, former assistant director of the fbi. the other breaking news this hour, tom, what the cia director, john brennan said, pointedly. he said he s by no means ruling out terrorism. in his words, quote, not at all. saying that terrorists since 9/11 have wanted to go after international aircraft. what do you make of that? wolf, i don t read anything into that or his tone of voice or how the way he stated that. because law enforcement and the intelligence community have never ruled out terrorism, ever, in this case. they have to investigate it as a possibility from the very beginning and have. so knowing that aircraft are a historic target for a variety of terrorist groups and they have never stopped putting out threat information regarding possible aircraft attacks, no one has ever ruled that out. nor in this case. and i think that what we have learned about the change of course, in a way, it raises as many or more questions as it answe answers. it s an important piece of information, but it shows that that plane was in the air and being flown. now, maybe they lost communication but could still fly and were trying to return back to the airports they left and got lost, maybe the gps or whatever. i don t know how that would work. but maybe in the dead of night they just couldn t find where they were going. we don t know. whatever mechanical problem they might have had that overtook the plane or pilot, we don t know that. we can t rule out that the pilots flew that plane oh off course and crashed it intentionally. it can t be ruled out. it been done in the past. that s all been looked at from the time that disappeared. every one of these combinations are a possibility and never ruled out. and every authority i ve listened to and talked to my own sources have said, look, until we get that aircraft and get the recording data from it, we re just not going to know. yeah, i think you make excellent points. the reason the main reason why those john brennan cia director marks jumped out at me and so many other people, they seemed to be very different from what we heard from ron noble, the head of the of interpol, who seemed to be downplaying any notion of terrorism. and for malaysian authorities, also downplaying any notion of terror. and then all of a sudden the cia director says not at all, they re not ruling out terrorism. so it seemed to be a difference in emphasis, a difference in tone from the cia director to these others. but hold on for a moment, because kit darby, the pilot, is still with me here. you were shaking your head when you heard what tom fuentes was saying about for an hour, at least, this plane was flying without these transponders. yes, sir. certainly, the plane could fly without a transponder. and the question is, was it flying without communication because it had to? or was it flying on purpose and the pilots were taking it somewhere? typically, terrorism would be catastrophic. it would end with a bomb in flight. it would end with a crash whenever they wanted to crash it. but the timing, hour, hour and a half, that sort of coincides with the amount of standby power the airplane went without electricity, that it could fly for an hour, hour and a half. that s our normal reserve. being off course at night with minimum instrumentation, that s not inconceivable either. so i m not seeing a clear pattern, whether it s terrorism or simply pilots natural instinct to return to where he came, return to what he knows when he s in a stressful situation. it s not clear yet. it s a good point you re making, very good point. and you also suggest that you you suggested to me, if one of the pilots or both of the pilots deliberate re wanted to take that plane down, they could have turned off the transponder and just taken that plane down. why would they fly an extra hour if their intention was to destroy the aircraft and kill everyone on board. i agree. i certainly agree. that s an important point to make. brian todd is with us, as well. brian, you have been doing some reporting on the search techniques that are under way right now. what are you learning? reporter: well, wolf, you know, we focus a lot today on the technology. as you have been reporting in the breaking news, at some point we now know the plane s transponder stop working, might have been turned off. radar lost all contact with the aircraft and now we know that was near that island of pul pulau puraq in the strait of malacca. the transponder could have been turned off or destroyed. all planes have gps and can be tracked with satellites. again, if something is destroyed or turned off, those devices obviously can t work. now, as for the technologies being used, we just got off the phone with pentagon officials, they tell us the navy s seventh fleet is out there with mh-60 helicopters, a p-3 orion plane, and flair pods and infrared sensors which can detect signs of life and movement. obviously shifting to that strait of malacca area. pentagon officials are not going to give information about the satellites and other technology being used, but safety experts are telling us, it s very likely that military satellites are being used with some high-res image imagery. we re going to continue the breaking news. we ll take a quick break. once again, we re looking into this report now from a senior malaysian air force official this aircraft made a u-turn after the transponders were shut down, flew hundreds of miles off course, the normal route between malaysia and china and all of a sudden the plane disappears. this according to the malaysian air force. we ll take a break. much more of breaking news after this. no matter how busy your morning you can always do something better for yourself. and better is so easy with benefiber. fiber that s taste-free, grit-free and dissolves completely. so you can feel free to add it to anything. and feel better about doing it. better it with benefiber. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he s agreed to give it up. that s today? 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[ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap. tell iing . this is cnn breaking news. the boeing 777, the transponder stopped sending messages. but for at least an hour, that plane made a u-turn, started to fly away from vietnam back towards malaysia. malaysian air force radar was picking it up, but then all of a sudden the plane disappeared. andrew stevens is our correspondent in kuala lumpur in malaysia. he s been reporting all of this information. update our viewers, andrew. this is very significant, this development. it changes the focus on the search that s been going on in a totally different area. it certainly widens this search effort. reporter: yeah, that s the key, wolf. it does mean that this massive search, which is currently under way, the focus will switch very much to this area. so this is what we know has happened. this is what we re getting from the very senior person within the malaysian air force. we can t name him because he s not authorized to speak to the international media, but he s confirmed this to us. what happened we now think is the plane took off from kuala lumpur, about an hour or so into the flight, it gave its usual readings, just entering into vietnamese air space. the transresponders on that plane, the actual equipment that is used to speak to the ground and to identify the aircraft, et cetera, et cetera, went down. after it went down, a primary radar kept tracking this plane. this does not have the same level of sophistication, but it can actually track the plane itself. and it tracked the flight back in a big u-turn back across the country of malaysia on to the other side of the kcountry. the last known whereabouts of this aircraft before it disappeared, before that actual radar image disappeared from the screens, was more like a lump of rock than anything, roughly halfway between malaysia and indonesia. we don t know any details. this raises a whole host of questions. what actually happened to those transponders. but coming back to your point, this is a massive operation now, search operation. they have been focusing on the flight path the plane was intended to take. they have been looking, expanding, expanding the search zone, because they found absolutely nothing, a few false leads, but nothing else in the area where the plane should have gone down according to its flight path. so they re now focusing on this other area. just one more thing, wolf, is that this does tie in with earlier reports where the malaysian air force has been very cagey, saying that we believe the plane could have turned around. there was the possibility it may have turned around. there was some radar tracks to suggest it did. but they never confirmed that. now it looks like we ve got confirmation of this. it actually turned around. it flew back across the country on to the other side and then disappeared. hundreds of miles, not just turned around, but then flew hundreds of miles across malaysia. that s a very, very dramatic development. andrew, stand by. tom fuentes is cnn s law enforcement analyst, former assistant director of the fbi. the key question investigators are going to be looking at, why did those transponders fail, either human, someone turned them out, or there was a massive power outage. those are the key questions that people are going to investigate right now. that s right, wolf. looking at still a possibility of a partial mechanical, enough of a mechanical failure to interrupt communication but not enough to bring the plane down. but terrorism doesn t just include an explosion on the plane or a bomb. it can also include, like 9/11, where the wrong people somehow gain access to the cockpit and maybe taking control of the aircraft that way, either killing the pilot or commanding them to do something. if you have someone with enough knowledge to be able to flip off those transponders, you could do it. among the vulnerabilities, they usually don t have toilets in the flight deck. you see the pilots come out one at a time and use the restroom, and for that brief second, the door is open so. the barricading of the door is opened up so that they can come out of the cockpit and, you know, if one of the pilots chooses while the other one is out, now he can barricade them out and the original pilot can t get back in. so you could have an individual or two individuals inside there take control of their own aircraft. you just saw this a little over a month ago where the ethiopian airline co-pilot hijacked his own plane. luckily, he didn t crash it. he landed in geneva, switzerland, but he locked the captain out while he flew the plane. those are among the possibilities. there are still as many possibilities out there, maybe more. it still leaves mechanical, terrorism, other issues as much in the air as they were before. i assume, tom, you know a lot more about this than i do since you ve worked with interpol, you ve been involved in these international investigations. they re taking a very close look at these two malaysian pilots. their backgrounds, their history, to see if there s anything at all suspicious. right. that s standard. the investigators from the beginning would be looking at. obviously they have everyone s lives in their hands. so they re going to be a key focus right from the beginning and would have been. i think that ron noble in his press conference yesterday, i think he was trying emphasize that there was less concern than before about the two stolen passports, that he believed that they were less likely to have been involved in terrorism. but even then, i wouldn t rule that out. what if they were doing a favor for guy that gave them the passports who maybe said hey, could you take this package for me and give it to my friend in germany when you get there? and they might have unwitingly taken a dangerous device in check luggage, not even knowing it. they re not terrorist, just trying to get asylum in a country in europe, and maybe they introduced something on that plane that should have been on there. hold on for a moment, tom. kit darby is still with me, a retired united pilot. kit, so give me your bottom line right now, because i can understand one transponder going. two transponders, that s pretty unusual. electrical power going. but the plane is still flying for an hour. all of this is extraordinary. well, to me, when one thing fails, obviously things fail. when two things fail, we usually look at the power source. so this lodger leads me to thinking that perhaps there was a power problem. then there s a backup power system. that is designed to last about an hour. natural for the pilot in my view to return to where he knows the airports and a region he knows, so turning around makes sense. about an hour later, the airplane could become unflyable. the backup power source, that allows it to fly for an hour, you can t communicate? the communication is limited. but there s some. if there was a may day, they should be able to say and communicate, hey, we ve got a problem. they should. but what initially happened out over the water, maybe not. there s, like, five different communication systems. but at the end, they were flying over malaysia. the one that s tied into the standby power is the shorter range one. so it might not work out over the water, but it probably would work. but they were nearing the end of their power reserve at that point. lots of unanswered questions, but they re narrowing in, at least they re getting some more specifics in the malaysian air force. this senior official sharing some critically important information with all of us. kit darby, thanks very much for your expertise. everyone has been extremely helpful in getting us a better appreciation. i ll be back later today, 5:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. much more coming up then. until then, thanks very much for watching. i m wolf blitzer. newsroom with don lemon starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. good afternoon. i m don lemon, in today for brooke baldwin. we are in breaking news coverage here on cnn. i want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. the breaking news is the mystery on flight 370. we have just learned this new information that the plane was way off course when it went missing. this information is coming to us from a senior malaysian air force official. they have traced the last signs of the plane to a very small island in the straits of malaca. it means the plane was flying in the opposite direction from its scheduled direction. beijing to