you can make that case. here s the thing. the wnba and its leadership have complained for years and years and years pay attention to us. grow the game. we need more. we need. this and well now they have it and they have it in caitlin clark. you are telling me the second best betting favorite is belgium. the three of us, two retired players and my wife could beat belgium for crying out loud. it s not like you bring caitlin clark on the team and this is some charity case. are you kidding me? caitlin clark on that team brings more eyeballs the wnba has been begging for more eyeballs and they haven t gotten them and they got it wrong in case. todd: fox & friends begins right now. they could use you. steve: thank you very much, todd and carley. it is 6:00 here in new york city. it s 5:00 in dallas and this is the fox & friends for wednesday, june 12th, 2024. you saw it on our air live yesterday. hunter biden convicted on all three federal gun charges. you may have missed this unless you were watching another channel. this has to be, as a parent, the worst nightmare come true. most people see this and feel sympathy. this trial was so personal and so painful. ainsley: and 8 suspected terrorists with ties to isis are arrested and a nationwide sting operation and it won t come as a surprise. they crossed the border illegally. lawrence: that s the top issue for folks from my home state of texas. seeing brian there to get the pulse of the people. brian? brian: thank you very much. i am brian kilmeade and it is lawrence jones sitting in my seat. more on that later. i m at. lawrence: you are in my state. brian: really thinking, lawrence, you can t interrupt a cold open it s against the law. ainsley: he has to defend himself. brian: and now you are doing it, ainsley? steve: let me do it for you, brian. [laughter] lawrence: did he say get dressed? ainsley: get dressed. and mornings are better with friends, brian. [laughter] steve: okay, more with brian in a minute but, first, a fox news alert. president biden is about to take off for italy in just about an hour from now for the annual g-7 summit in italy. lawrence: here at home concerns of terror threats crossing our southern border are becoming a reality as sources say 8 suspects with possible ties to isis are arrested after being released into the country. ainsley: lucas tomlinson joins us now with the latest. lucas lucas good morning, guys not only did they enter illegally through the southern border they apparently received, quote, full vetting according to our own bill melugin, suspects are from tajikistan the land locked country infantry in central arab borders afghanistan to the south and china to the east. recall the same suspects on that concert hall killed 45 people. those people were also from tajikistan. said in a statement to fox fbi says the individuals are detained in ice custody pending removal proceedings as the fbi and dhs recently described public and private bulletins heightened environment. dhs continue working around the clock with our partners to identify, identify and disrupt potential threats to national security. the suspected terrorists were arrested in los angeles and across the country in new york and philadelphia as well in recent days according to the new york post who broke the story, quote: part of the investigation featured a wiretap which revealed one of the now arrested individuals was talking about bombs. remember the boston marathon bombing, i m afraid something like that might happen again or worse fbi director christopher wray warned lawmakers back in april what he described as threat coordinated attack after the moscow massacre those suspects were from tajikistan like the suspects here. ainsley: i know they weren t flagged when they walked across the border when they came across the border. they were let. in once they were here, what led them to realize these guys were terrorists? lucas: it appears there was wiretaps. ainsley: what made them go to that point? what made them wiretapped? lucas: americans being surveilled. apparently picked up. also somebody could have called in a potential threat for these guys and people were warned. this is the problem americans have been worried that something like this might be happening for years now. as millions of unvetted and illegal immigrants cross the southern border. lawrence: so luke s, the question is the president released his executive action last week and banning some countries and all of that did they know about this before they released that executive action or did this come afterwards? lucas: these guys have been on the radar now for a few weeks, lawrence. safe to say, before. steve: indeed. luke s, thank you very much. and keep in mind, he just mentioned christopher wray, the director of the fbi was in front of congress in april. and he was talking about a potential coordinated attack after what happened in that concert hall. our joint task force keeping an eye on everybody. i bet a dollar to doughnuts something popped up on one of the people were surveil surveilling. oh they are in the united states. joint task force alerted ice they swept them up in new york, philly and washington, d.c. lawrence: brian, the fbi director has been talking about these lights flickering all over the board. he said that he is concerned brian they thought their executive orders they think their executive orders are going to do it. so far no discernible difference between prior and current with the executive orders. got to worry about all the stans, these guys are coming from outlaw provinces moscow and don t have love loss for us. it s really got to be cancer. if you are christopher wray. you know the danger but it doesn t seem to be relayed to the people in charge and the border patrol seems flat out overwhelmed. i also thought it s interesting, too, that we re seeing the flood of immigrants come through san diego now, california, but they knocked it down 72% in texas at the cost of $11 billion with operation lone star. texas is doing it themselves because the federal government is not. steve: that s right. great point, brian. that s one of the reasons you are down in texas. meanwhile, border patrol, ainsley to your point, border patrol let them in. these people, because they presented id but apparently those particular names didn t click on the data base. and border patrol says we know people slip through all the time but we simply don t have enough time to fully vet them. if there is 300 people waiting in line. it s kinds of like how long is this going to take? okay, go. lawrence: just a revolving door right now. this is what happens when you have zero strategy and zero enforcement. they want to be out here going after these guys. they want to be going after the drug traffickers. they have been forced to baby-sitted. they didn t sign up to be cops to be babysitters. ainsley: here is what is scary. the borders are open. millions have come across. this just 8 men that were caught. just 8. lawrence: that we know. ainsley: how many here that we don t know about that are planning attacks here. hats off to the people did recognize. this had the wiretaps. but this administration, this is a crisis from washington. this is joe biden s crisis. he has left the door open. now he is trying to do something about it because he realizes democrats and republicans are concerned about this. not just republicans anymore. and we re close to an election. steve: thank you very much, law enforcement. ainsley, speaking of joe biden. ainsley: right now, president biden is in delaware after traveling to see his son after his convince on fall gun charges, hunter biden now awaits sentence iting as his attorney vows to exauction all legal options. lawrence: brooke singman is here with the latest. the jury found the first son guilty on all counts for lying about his drug use while buying a gun. sentencing date has yet to be scheduled. hunter is now facing a hefty fine of $750,000 in a maximum of 25 years in prison. although he is unlikely to do any prison time here since is he a first time offender. special counsel david wise who brought the charges against him spoke after the verdict. listen. this case was not just about addiction. this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throws of addiction. his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun. it was these choices and the combination of guns and drugs that made his conduct dangerous. president biden is seen here hugging hunter in delaware after the verdict. the president spoke yesterday about gun safety after his son s firearm conviction but did not mention hunter s case. watch this. asses second amendment. never been a time you could own anything you want. never. you couldn t own a cannon during the civil war. [laughter] no, i m serious. think about it. how much have you heard this phrase? the blood of liberty. [laughter] give me a break. one of the jurors speaking out about the trial. listen. biden was on trial and he was just like anybody else. nobody is above the law. yeah. no matter how are. politics played no part in this whatsoever. it may not have been a political decision by the jury, but it will likely have political ramifications. former senior adviser to president barack obama david axelrod saying, quote: i don t think voters are going to hold biden accountable for his son s addiction or his son s misbehavior, but i think the real question is the toll it takes on him and his family. this is another heavy brick on the load. the first son is also facing another federal trial, which is expected to begin in september. over allegedly failing to pay over a million dollars in taxes. those taxes have since been paid and hunter biden has pleaded not guilty. guys? steve: all right, brooke. thank you very much. the cover of the new york post. first felon faces up to 25 years after historic verdict. and i heard on one of the other channels that apparently, you know, the jury got the case a couple days ago at 3:30 in the afternoon. they deliberated for about an hour. lawrence: they were 50/50. steve: it was split 6-6. a couple hours into the second day they were like, okay. he broke the law. and here s the thing. we knew he had broken the law because he signed that thing. and we know he put that x there. so it s one of those things where if he were not convicted on this, what does it take to get arrested and convicted in delaware? lawrence: when you look at the other channels and look at their conch of it, there is this reaction to compare what happened here and the justice system what happened to trump. and they say this is the legal system doing what it does this. is the right thing. but, i think they skipped the important step, this wasn t going go to trial at first, this was not there was unprecedented deal, and if they weren t shamed, both the prosecution as well as the defense with this deal, then we wouldn t have been here. now, you take that versus donald trump where you have unprecedented prosecution. not unprecedented deal. and i think there is a clear difference judicial system shouldn t be shamed. i get that everybody has someone, probably. i know i have family members that have struggled with addiction. steve: yep all of our family members should be treated the same it. looks like hunter biden is finally being held accountable like most americans would have ainsley. and, brian, we will bring you into this, too. the trump campaign said this is just a distraction from the real crimes, the real crimes are the biden family which has raked in tens of millions of dollars from china, raush and ukraine. what we learned in this court case the laptop really was hunter biden s. we knew that before. this is additional verification of that. which means we were lied to by those 51 intel individuals that signed that letter back before the election and joe biden. who lied to us about it. anbc, and cnn and npr who lied about it. social media individuals or social media platforms that were censoring this story so it didn t get out before the election. it s not just about addiction and lying on a government form. this goes beyond that the cover-ups. the money that the biden family possibly made from all of this. before the election. and burying a story so that you didn t know about it. you, the public, the voter didn t know about it before the election, brian. brian: yeah. a couple of things. number one out of everything on that laptop it s absolutely insane the one thing they get is the gun charge. on unsavory behavior that s witnessed there they all told us we are crazy for believing and definitely effected the 2020 election. also i think it s important this guy kevin morris who is funding all his legal defenses out of money. how do i know that s not hype. his daughter raised to hunter biden you are taking advantage of my dad who is writing checks for you. yeah. his dad is the president of the united states. he can t write the checks. but some obscure producer who made money early on and a sitcom nobody watches could empty his account for a guy who can t get off crack and obviously loves hookers. other thing is, the big story is coming up in the fall is going to be the tax case. and what about the made for tv moment, i m sorry, my heart does not go out to joe biden who has to go back to his house and stand in front of his driveway and hug his son who got convicted of a buying a gun and having haley biden throw it out while, by the way an hour before he was telling us the need for gun control. who booked that gig for him the day his son is actually. lawrence: that was so dumb. brian: actually convicted of a gun violation. the dumbest thing ever but smart to have the hug in the driveway so msnbc has something to talk about. and they want to say it s no dual path to justice and trump got convict and he got convicted. it s totally different. this guy actually scripted his conviction seven years ago. they made up charges on donald trump and didn t even tell us the charges until they handed it over to the jury. and when you come up and speak about a jury decision and don t like it, that s called an american free move to do. you are not being anti-american by criticizing a jury decision. is everyone happy with the way the o.j. decision came out. are you anti-american by saying o.j. pretty much got away with murder? no, i don t think so. so, yesterday really bothered me he comes off as a sympathetic figure where everything he has done is his own personal behavior. lawrence: speaking of that, brian, this is the media s reaction to that watch. this has to be as a parent the worst nightmare come true. joey and joe biden have been role models for parents of addicted children. you are seeing sort of such a sad day on personal level, but you are seeing such an uplifting day in terms of sort of heroic action in terms of what it means to live a principle. republicans have really struggled to make this line of attack stick because most people see this and feel sympathy. it is not an unfair verdict. they followed the law. but it s a sad verdict. this trial was so personal and so painful for the biden family. the details in this case, sarah, as you well know are really ugly and they are really sad. brian: we don t have audio here but just know, guys, that msnbc and cnn says it s a very sad day for the biden family which is true but it s all self-inflict and we will see how you guys feel about it. we are in cubey s in dallas. get the pulls of the people. what is your name? marlow. brian: what is your opinion on the hunter biden decision. one, you mentioned sympathy. i m wholly in agreement with you. if he had been doing crack cocaine or had an addiction for decades before his brother died, why would i feel sympathy? it had nothing to do with his brother dying. as far as the verdict, it s appropriate, he probably won t get jail time but he should get three felonies? what about one month each. other people go to jail for committing that crime. brian: because you guys are very aware of gun laws, especially in texas, right? right, absolutely. brian: what did you order, sir? well, the breakfast croissant. brian: is that croissant underneath those layers of eggs and ham. brian: oh my goodness need a plunger to open up his aorta later. what s your name. bob burns. bob burns fans, ladies and gentlemen. weighs convicted on three separate counts. shows you that justice is indeed equal because same thing happened to trump. what s your reaction? well, i bet you everybody in this room knows somebody or their family member has been addicted to something in their life. and all i heard yesterday on the other networks was real sympathy towards towards hunter. no sympathy from our family. you get what you make your choices and you deal with your consequences. brian: also, what about the arrogance of showing up on the congressional steps and having a mini press conference and storming into a hearing he said he wasn t going to be at. he was grand standing prior to this. and he has got another case staring at him and sentencing somewhere in between. this is not the top priority of people here in dallas. do you know what is? immigration, border security, political corruption and inflation. [cheers and applause] brian: we will talk about all of that back to you guys on the couch. we are here at kuby s getting a pulse of the people. steve: that is a great place. my daughter went to school across the street. deli counter. they have the best chicken salad in dallas i feel. ainsley: i love good chicken salad, too. that s a southern thing, isn t it? delicious. turning now to some of your headlines, a crazed man hijacks a bus and leads police on a wild pursuit through atlanta yesterday. look at that the suspect allegedly holding a gun to the driver of that bus head during the pursuit and one of the 17 hostages was shot and killed. atlanta s mayor placing the blame on the availability of guns. too many guns on our streets. too many guns in our homes. too many guns in our schools, buses, et cetera. crime is down overall. violent crime is down. this day is not indicative of all of the days of the city of atlanta. this is a day we will never forget. ainsley: the suspect, who is a convicted felon with 19 prior arrests, was eventually taken into custody after police disabled the bus. 19 priors? it s the guns, right. 60 survivors of the sandy hook elementary school shooting will be graduating from high school in newton, connecticut, new town connecticut, today. back in 2012 when they were first grade. 20 of their classmates and sex educators were killed by deranged gunman one spoke out about their state of mind. since kindergarten, graduate. we can t forget about a whole chunk of our class missing. so going into graduation we all have very mixed emotions. ainsley: bless their hearts. double that they were in first grade. the school shooting victims will be honored during today s ceremony. very nice. nypd officers arresting a brooklyn man accusing him of smashing several religious statues outside of the catholic church. they say he took a hammer to the statues of mother teresa and the catholic pope on monday. then he broke the church s doors and damaged two glass bus shelters. he is facing a series of charges. but no word if he will be charged with a hate crime. to some primary results now. south carolina congressman or congresswoman nancy mace defeating both of her challengers in the congressional republican runoff. in nevada, trump-backed army veteran sam brown winning his primary race to challenge incumbent democratic senator jacky rosen. brown joined us yesterday. nevadans are hurting. the american dream is at risk. and people are looking for some hope. i know the power and the importance of hope when all seems lost. as it was my own soldiers who came to my rescue in 2008 when i was wounded delivering hope to me by saying sir, i ve got you. ainsley: and in maine former nascar driver austin theriault wins his primary rails. and in north dakota kelly armstrong take over for doug burgum as the republican candidate in the state s gubernatorial election in november. also, in north dakota, voters deciding to impose a maximum age limit on members of congress from their state at 81 years old. and check out this wild drone footage of a hammerhead shark lurking in the waters off of st. petersburg, florida. steve: don t fall in. ainsley: paddle borders kept their cool as a group hunt the harr pin fish. scramble to get back on the shore. the owner of the company that rents those boards thankfully hammer medicines generally steer clear of people and attacks are very uncommon. those are your headlines. lawrence: i love when they say that it s uncommon. steve: it just takes one. lawrence: we want to be the one they experiment with. steve: the weather down there very warm and that leads us to this. lawrence: fox weather alert. miami beach and other parts of florida seeing major flooding. ainsley: sunshine state is going to get even more rain this week as a tropical disturbance through the region. steve: check in with the senior meteorologist janice dean for the fox weather forecast. i heard some spots in florida could get two feet of rain. janice: this is 9011. hurricane season is here. don t think this going to get a name but it is going to move out across the florida peninsula and in towards the atlantic. and the bottom line is it doesn t take a named storm to cause a lot of problems. heavy rain in the forecast for several days for parts of central and south florida. and we could see an additional foot or more of rain that s going to cause tremendous flooding in some of these areas. look at the fort myers area and naples area that s 8 to 12 right there and they already received in some cases close to a foot of rain there is the rain still to come 8 to 12 aren t the fort myers areas. that s going to be the story we are following as well as the heat fox weather.com for all of your latest details. over to the couch. steve: all right, j.d., thank you very much. straight ahead on the program the liberal activists who recorded justifiable alito and his wife and chief justice roberts speaks out why she did. it nothing illegal in d.c. about recording people. please tell me how we are going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy. it s kubota orange days, shop the year s biggest selection of kubota equipment and get 0% apr for 84 months or up to $3,300 off select compact tractors. find your nearest dealer at kubotaorangedays.com. somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right past them, she didn t know they were talking to her. i just could not hear. i was hesitant to get the hearing aids because of my short hair. but nobody even sees them. our nearly invisible hearing aids are just one reason we ve been the brand leader for over 75 years. when i finally could hear for the first time, i could hear everything. call 1-800-234-7090 to schedule a free hearing evaluation and unlock our best deal of the year! oh no. running low? 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[cheers] joey, joey. steve: oh joey, joey. we have loved him for decades now, perhaps, his reign as the greatest of all time competitive eater. lawrence: we still love him. he just has to get it together. steve: is done he won t be competing on the fourth of july. he signed a contract with a competitor. signed a contract with impossible foods. the lead maker of the meatless meat products like the impossible burger. the hot dogs he signed with are made from plants. lawrence: this is what they are saying in the statement to the major league eating. we are devastated to learn that joey chestnut has chosen to represent a rival brand that sells plant based hot dogs rather than competing in the 2024 nathan famous fourth of july hot dog eating contest. janice: this is tragic. i was a judge, an esteemed judge a couple years ago. one of the greatest moments of my life, really. ainsley: top of the resume. steve: i m going to put that on your wikipedia page. janice: it s a huge event. without him are thousands of people going to come to coney island? i don t think so. but i think it hurts joey chestnut more. lawrence: do you? janice: yes, absolutely. if you remember a couple decades ago. co-barbie. nathan s hog dog eating contest made him the person he was. he decided not to sign a contract. whatever happened to him? we never heard from him again. ainsley: in 2021 joey ate 76 dogs and the buns, just to compare it. i read that another guy was eating about 49 hot dogs. so number two guy is probably thrilled by. this now he has a shot. janice: right. honors lawrence real quickly this is what joey is saying on x. this is the decision nathan and the major league eating are making. it will deprive the great fans of the holiday usual joy. janice: who can blame them. lawrence: rest assured you will see me eat again soon. stay hungry. i don t think if you are in a contest of eating it should be plant based at all. janice: that s another topic all together. ainsley: making more money. steve: still a hot dog not made the traditional nathan s way. ultimately the headline is he will not be a weaner. [laughter] steve: i not relish saying that. janice: you have been waiting. steve: i have been playing ketchup. ainsley: if joey decides. janice: make it more popular. lawrence: maybe brian can get to the bottom of this. steve: is he a guy who likes to be frank. [laughter] lawrence: that was really good. brian: if we have to blow a commercial. any news at all on it interrupt my interview. we need to spend more time on it if we could. let me tell you about what is going on now. this is going to be big. it s one of the most replayed moment in sports history. you have all seen it not even sports. buzzer beating dunk. jim gets a winning college championship to win the 1983 ncaa, nc state had cinderella year. now they are suing 10 members of that team claim co-conspirator have systematically and intentionally misappropriated the cardiac parks publicity rights including their names and likenesses. this just the beginning, guys. now joining to us discuss this and so much more is a dallas favorite. he still lives here after winning three super bowl championships for the dallas cowboys. he is now the ufl president, ceo darryl moose johnson. round of applause, guys. here at kuby s restaurant. so you are oshould the # 3 team be paid. they are in their 50 s and 60 s. first group. we had undefeated college football game 1987, doug flutie moments. so many iconic moments in sports how many more people are going to step forward now. brian: this is ruining college sports. i feel bad nobody was paid back then and education was a wash. you give me an education just go play sports. billions are in there. we are going to be playing football players and basketball players back to 2016. what s going to be left of the college sports that we know? i think it may go away. we were fortunate to grow up in a time where college sports was on par with professional sports. and i don t think we are going to see that moment again. i think it becomes professional sports now. it s going to be basketball and football. the future of the smaller sports is what i m concerned about and the impact title # had. because they never matched it with football there was no women s football on the college campuses. why do you try to match scholarships offered when you can t find a way to keep football out of that equation. brian: everyone is getting paid. who hasn t been paid will be paid soon. as would you know you made the transition from nfl p pro bowler to executive. you merge the usl and xfl on the precipice of the championship game. going to be in st. louis. it s going to be 5:00. fox will cover it. on the game joel klatt and kurt men fee. this matchup with birmingham and san antonio. great first season. the merger came together late in the process. we navigated that the football has been outstanding and shame on us if we didn t pull that off. we went from 18 teams or 16 teams down to 8 teams so the talent level has been great, depth in the offensive line. great quarterback play. great ratings, anxious for this game. the only loss birmingham has had all season long has been to san antonio brahmas in week 9. rematch 18-9. everybody come out and join us st. louis. brian: i love that the merger worked and i think some type of relationship with the nfl is inevitable. between 27 and 30 players already invite ford tryouts with the nfl. i think that s important, also,ment fact is skip holtz against wade phillips. two famous names, famous coaches, famous football families. darrell, the bigger question is, are your cowboys ever going to get back to the super bowl again? [laughter] , the last time they were in it, you were playing in it. [ applause ] i think the community has been so excited to see the stars and the mavericks have that success. everybody is ready for dallas. it s been almost 30 years now. hopefully that s their turn this fall. we will see what happens. yeah, i just don t know why we can t get over that hump. every season. we play well throughout the regular season but then we fall short in the playoffs. brian: mavericks down 0-2. are they going to come back and win this thing against the celtics? nba championship. darryl is going to go do a boot camp workout. darryl, thank you so much. welcome great to see. welcome to dallas. brian: guys, more from kuby s in just a moment. fox & friends continues, texas and new york. scout is protected by simparica trio and he s in it to win it! simparica trio is the first chew with triple protection. whoa fleas! and ticks! 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chase, make more of what s yours. ainsley: new york congresswoman elise stefanik hosting ear epac rising stars reception yesterday where she endorsed female g.o.p. congressional candidates from all across our country. joining us now are those candidates. we have lori buckout from north carolina. nancy dull strum from alaska who is also the lt. governor there mayra flores from texas and caroline dobson from north carolina. good morning, ladies. good morning. i will start with you myra. you are running again, tell me why. because i love south texas. it s my home. it s my community. and, you know, the democrat part has just taking for granted the hispanic community. it s very important that would invest in the. the republican party has no future if we don t continue invest not guilty hispanic community. south texas is home and where i was raised and where i m raising my children. i want to make sure we have the right representation in washington. unfortunately we don t have that representation in washington right now. this is why i m running again to take back texas district 34. ainsley: lori, why is it important to have women serving in congress? you know, i m a combat veteran. grew up in the shenandoah valley. and, you know, like most women, i have an experience that far exceeds just who i am as a woman. so, i think that we need fresh voices in congress overall right now. we definitely need some change. my district has been represented by democrats 141 years. we don t just need women but rim bring fresh voices and change and really want to represent their people. nancy, how about you? why are you running and why is it important to elect republicans now to congress and females. this election is going to be consequential. in alaska specifically we have been hit so hard by the things this administration has done. president biden has issued over 60 executive orders that are basically trying to shut our state down. we are oil and gas and mining state minerals that the entire country needs. not just for production but national security. if we don t have those things in our country and we have to rely on other countries we have got to have a change in d.c. we have got to have president trump back in office. we need to get the course reversed that we are on. you know, i went to the yuma border several weeks ago and i witnessed with my own two eyes the officers who were there how demoralizing for them to have to act as a baby-sitter and social worker for these people coming across the border illegally our country has no security with open borders. we have none. it effects us even here clear up to alaska. the fentanyl coming into this country is making its way up here. last year, unfortunately, alaska had the highest rate of per capita of overdose fentanyl deaths in the entire country, totally unacceptable. i m not going to stand for it. i m going to washington, i m going to fight for our state. and for our country care lien, i know you are representing alabama. it s important for you to win your race and to her point there were 8 suspected terrorists that were just arrested. they are on the terrorist list talking about making bombs. they are here in the u.s. and came through our border. no. it s it s incredibly terrifying and that s why i m running to fight for alabama families to fight for american families and that s why it s so important to elect republican women because we understand the struggles that american families are going through. we ll understand the way that biden s reckless border policy has jeopardized our security and we re in a position to fight for and represent american families and try to get our country back on track. i don t know how you do it i know being a working mom. i m here in new york. for y all you have to travel to d.c. often. thank you so much for doing this for country. god bless. more fox & friends coming up. the future is not just going to happen. you have to make it. and if you want a successful business, all it takes is an idea, and now becomes the future. a future where you grew a dream into a reality. it s waiting for you. mere minutes away. the future is nothing but power and it s all yours. the all new godaddy airo. get your business online in minutes with the power of ai. i look back with great satisfaction on my 32 years in active duty. i understand the veteran mentality. these are people who have served. they ve been in leadership positions. they re willing to put their life on the line if necessary. and they come to us and they say, i need some financial help at this point in time. they re not looking for a handout. they re looking for a little hand up. my team at newday usa is going to do everything we possibly can to make sure that veteran gets that loan. no one takes care of veterans like newday usa. have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? 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live from london, this is bbc news. joe biden s son, hunter, is found guilty of lying about his drug use to buy a gun. hamas says it wants a complete halt to war in response to us backed peace plans. scottish political leaders clash over the cost of living and independence in a bbc debate. and, how long could you last without your smartphone? we meet the teens going cold turkey for five whole days. hello. i m sally bundock. the son of the us president joe biden is facing up to 25 years in jail after being found guilty of lying about his drug use in order to purchase a firearm. a federaljury found hunter biden guilty on all three felony charges brought against him forfailing to disclose his drug use when buying a gun in 2018. it s the first criminal prosecution of the child of a sitting us president. hunter biden s lawyers say they are disappointed by the verdict and will pursue legal challenges. president biden said he would respect the result, and said he and his wife, jill, were proud of hunter for overcoming his drug addiction. let us go live now to to our northern american correspondent david willis on this. david, another historic moment? trier? another historic moment? very much so and another historic moment? very much so and when another historic moment? very much so and when it another historic moment? very much so and when it comes - another historic moment? - much so and when it comes to the november ballot, people voting in the us presidential election, they will have the choice between a convicted felon or the father of one! such the unprecedented times we are facing in the united states. hunter biden, found guilty as you said of those three felony gun charges and faces up to 25 years in jail. it s highly unlikely that he will receive a stiffjail sentence, possibly community service or probation and a short period in tail, if any at all. injail. his father has gone on the record saying he would not be using his powers of presidential pardon to get his son out of the. his son out of the. very difficult his son out of the. very difficult trial his son out of the. very difficult trial for- his son out of the. very difficult trial for all, - his son out of the. very| difficult trial for all, lots of explicit details about his addiction, and what it led to, and his impact on loved ones and his impact on loved ones and not least the president and the first lady, jill biden, in court with him at the time? very much so. strong support from his family throughout this week long trial and indeed president biden issued a statement today, saying i am the president but i am also a dad, adding that he loves his son and is proud of the man he has become, and is today. jill biden missed the sentencing, sorry, the verdict, because she could not get to court in time. so rapidly did thejury could not get to court in time. so rapidly did the jury get to their verdict so quickly, after three hours of deliberation over the course of two days but there is a feeling now that this, if anything, there is a feeling now that this, ifanything, undermines donald trump s assertion that the criminaljustice system in this country is, as he has put it repeatedly, skewed against him and seeking to undermine his bid for the presidency. you may remember less than two weeks ago, donald trump was found guilty of making illegal hush money payments to the porn star stormy daniels. he is yet to be sentenced. but he has repeatedly asserted that this has been or part of an attempt by the biden administration to weaponised the criminaljustice weaponised the criminal justice system weaponised the criminaljustice system against him but now we have the president s own son facing the possibility ofjail and even some republicans are starting to believe that that argument really no longer hold much water. let s speak to lauryn gouldin, a professor of law at syracuse university who has been watching this case unfold. good to have you on the programme. what do you think will happen next? we have sentencing in a few months time, what do you think a judge will decide on this? time, what do you think a udge will decide on this? will decide on this? thank you for having will decide on this? thank you for having me. will decide on this? thank you for having me. i will decide on this? thank you for having me. i agree, - will decide on this? thank you for having me. i agree, i - will decide on this? thank you for having me. i agree, i think the sentencing guidelines for these offences are much lower than some of the sentences that have been suggested in some of the reporting. the formal calculation of a sentencing guidelines recommendation would be 15-21 guidelines recommendation would be 15 21 months, seven for incarceration, but there would be many reasons a judge may go down word and possibly give no jail time at all. hunter biden does not have a criminal record. no one was hurt in this offence. he only possessed the ghana for two weeks, that there may be a lot of factors the judge would take into consideration possessed the gun. as we heard from david, a difficult time for the family. it is also an extraordinary year because it is an election year because it is an election yearin year because it is an election year in the united states and we have had donald trump convicted in court, just a few weeks ago, now hunter biden. how does this play out in november, do you think? hard to know whether november, do you think? hard to know whether these november, do you think? hard to know whether these are - know whether these are convictions that the voters are really going to be focused on. the news today about the conviction did not seem to trigger much celebration by republicans. i think in part because the politics around this particular conviction are a bit complicated for republicans. hunter biden was convicted of a gun offence and most republicans advocate for fewer gun restrictions and many republicans advocate for this particular statute to be deemed unconstitutional, so there is a whole side of legal questions playing out here. obviously, this case is taking a toll on the biden family and certainly affecting how they navigate the election process, but i don t know to what extent voters were really care about the underlying charges is. voters ma not underlying charges is. voters may not care underlying charges is. voters may not care that underlying charges is. voters may not care that much - underlying charges is. voters may not care that much as i underlying charges is. voters. may not care that much as you said, and they also in this particular case may be sympathetic, but he does face, hunter biden, another trial in california in september on charges of failing to pay $1.1; million in income taxes. less sympathy, would you say, when it comes to that kind of trial and charges? i it comes to that kind of trial and charges? and charges? i think those charues and charges? i think those charges may and charges? i think those charges may pose - and charges? i think those charges may pose a - and charges? i think thosej charges may pose a bigger political problem. the concerns about financial improprieties may be more of a political issue. , ., ~ , ., issue. interesting. thank you for our issue. interesting. thank you for your time. the outlook remains uncertain after hamas submitted its formal response to the latest ceasefire plan to end the war in gaza, outlined by president biden. while a hamas statement said it was ready to deal positively with efforts to reach an agreement, israeli media is quoting an anonymous israeli official who said the hamas response amounted to a rejection. with me now is bbc arabic s said shehata. what can you tell us? hamas osition what can you tell us? hamas position did what can you tell us? hamas position did not what can you tell us? hamas position did not change - what can you tell us? hamas position did not change since j position did not change since the start of negotiation. the main two sticking points, for withdrawal of israeli forces from gaza and a permanent ceasefire. and those two points are in the planet president biden? they are but hamas is requesting a commitment from israel and a guarantee from the united states. because benjamin netanyahu gave contradicting neta nyahu gave contradicting signals netanyahu gave contradicting signals where at one stage mr blinken said he affirmed benjamin netanyahu israel s benjamin neta nyahu israel s commitment benjamin netanyahu israel s commitment to the plan after mr blinken met with benjamin netanyahu. at the same time he said repeatedly that before eliminating hamas, any talk of a ceasefire would be a nonstarter, so there is, especially with the pressure of the firelight. far right. the two members of the cabinets are against a deal with hamas because it would allow hamas to rebuild its forces and control gaza again. rebuild its forces and control gaza again- rebuild its forces and control gaza aaain. , ., i. ., gaza again. given what you have ust said gaza again. given what you have just said and gaza again. given what you have just said and we gaza again. given what you have just said and we must gaza again. given what you have just said and we must bear - gaza again. given what you have just said and we must bear in . just said and we must bear in mind that benny gantz has resigned from the israeli war cabinet as well and that has changed the make up within benjamin netanyahu s government, what may happen. we have antony blinken, the us secretary of state, pushing very hard, in the meeting again for an eighth time to broker the ceasefire deal. your thoughts? it the ceasefire deal. your thoughts? the ceasefire deal. your thou~hts? ., , , ., thoughts? it doesn t seem or make any thoughts? it doesn t seem or make any change thoughts? it doesn t seem or make any change because . thoughts? it doesn t seem or i make any change because eight visits, meeting all of the past, present from america and other forces but still benjamin netanyahu is reluctant to accept any of that because if it will happen, it would be a coalition of the government would collapse, there would be elections and he doesn t want to do that. even with some optimism that hamas will welcome the plan, the sticking point is still the full withdrawal and permanent ceasefire. as far as benjamin netanyahu is in power, it is hard to imagine that they will accept the two sticking points from hamas. the green party will launch its election manifesto in brighton & hove today, promising a £50 billion pound a year investment into the nhs and social care. it ll be paid for by a tax on higher earners and the wealthy. our political correspondent hannah miller has the details. as the green party tried to get noticed, they are promising a game changing transformation of the country, pledging to men what they called broken britain ijy what they called broken britain by increasing taxes on higher earners and the wealthy. the promises include an annual i% wealth tax on individuals with assets above £10 million, rising to 2% for those who assets amount to over a billion. they also say they will increase national insurance payments for those earning over £50,000 and introduce a home improvement programme to cut energy costs and make homes warmer. the green party know that their leaders are highly unlikely to become the next prime minister but what they are hoping for is to get enough mps to have influence over whoever does win the election. the conservatives used them manifesto launch to promise a 2p cut in national insurance over the next three years, among their ways of saving money is cut to the welfare bill of £12 billion a year and as for labour? there manifesto will be published tomorrow but today they are focusing on potholes in england, putting forward an extra £61; million annually to fix a million more every year. in this week of manifesto launches, there are promises and pledges aplenty, as the parties hope to capture your attention, and of course, your vote! hannah miller, bbc news. the leaders of scotland s five main political parties have clashed in a special debate programme on a range of issues, from how to tackle the cost of living crisis, to the problems faced by the nhs, as well as scottish independence. our scotland editor james cook was watching. 60 minutes, five party leaders, one general election that could change the country. and three big topics. first, the economy. what worries me about what lies ahead is that there is the threat of more spending cuts. anas is not being straight with us. i am being straight with you. there is going to be £18 billion of public spending cuts and we have had enough austerity from the tories. we don t want it imposed on us by any incoming labour government. let me be straight with you, john, let me be straight with the public as well, we will raise revenue and we will raise revenue by a windfall tax on the oil and gas giants which would raise £10 billion, a measure that you oppose. read my lips, no austerity under labour. i have seen poverty, - i ve never seen anything like this, this is the worst cost of livingl crisis since the end of rationing. - the liberal democrats immediately - would reverse the two child cap on benefits. if we look at the covid pandemic and the war in ukraine, there has been a massive shock to not only our domestic economy but economies across the globe and the government at the uk level have tried to provide some universal support and some targeted support. it is disingenuous of douglas ross to pretend that times are hard. times are not hard for the super wealthy. they have made out been like bandits since covid, their wealth has doubled and tripled. the second topic, the nhs. my mother, who is 93, waited six hours for an ambulance, another two hours outside the hospital before she was admitted. is our nhs broken? the nhs is run from edinburgh but the scottish government s budget is determined in part at westminster. that austerity, that cutting taxes for the wealthy, it means you have to cut to the bone and cut again and again. and that took us to the third topic. independence. on the economy, on poverty, on health, on public services, they are all crying out for ministerial attention, that has been starved because of the constitutional debate that has gripped our politics for so long. i don t support independence, i don t support a referendum, but i can understand why so many people across scotland are looking for an escape route from a tory government they thought we could not get rid of or from a labour party that they thought could not win. people are really struggling i in scotland today because of the effects of 14. years of austerity and because of brexit, - and the cost of living crisis, all of those are a product of- decisions taken at westminster. tory decisions. they are all a product of decisions - taken in westminster. it is not the nhs we have been discussing today, it is not the education system, it is not carers, it is going to be independence above everything else, and scotland will suffer as a result of that. audience and politicians all had plenty to say tonight. on lithjuly, it is your turn. james cook, bbc news, glasgow. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. heavy rainfall has prevented flights from taking off from spain s third biggest airport because of flooding on its runways. eyewitnesses at palma de mallorca airport said it was chaos, with passengers running for cover from the water pouring through the roof. all flights were grounded. our reporter chi chi izundu has more. heavy rain, heavy flooding, a storm caused nearly nine centimetres of rain to fall in less than an hour in palma, majorca. this is spain s third biggest airport. passengers were not able to enter or leave the terminal building and officials activated an emergency plan and temporarily rerouted flights to other airports because of the impossibility of operating safely. i impossibility of operating safel . ., impossibility of operating safel. ., ., ., safely. i got the notification that my flight safely. i got the notification that my flight was - safely. i got the notification l that my flight was cancelled. it should have been this evening and now we re checking for other options that to germany tonight. it for other options that to germany tonight.- for other options that to germany tonight. it has been cancelled. germany tonight. it has been cancelled, apparently, - germany tonight. it has been cancelled, apparently, and il cancelled, apparently, and i was cancelled, apparently, and i was going on a business trip, so let s was going on a business trip, so let s see. was going on a business trip, so let s see- so let s see. last year, some 31 million so let s see. last year, some 31 million people so let s see. last year, some 31 million people pull - so let s see. last year, some | 31 million people pull through this airport s doors and now with flights resuming, approaching cleanup can begin. chi chi izundu, bbc news. let s get some of the day s other news now. firefighters are battling wildfires in brazil s pantanaal, the world s largest tropical wetla nd. 32,000 hectares, home to jaguars, giant anteaters and giant river otters, have already been destroyed. low levels of rainfall and high winds has intensified the fires, which climate scientists warn are happening out of its usual season. the world health organisation says 2.7 million people die every year in europe because of alcohol, tobacco and ultra processed foods. experts say powerful industries are driving ill health and premature death because they interfere in government policies and efforts to cut cases of cancer, heart disease and diabetes. an invasive species of mosquito has been found in 13 countries in the eu, including france, spain and greece, with experts saying their discovery is linked to a rise in dengue fever in europe. the european centre for disease prevention and control says that climate change is creating favourable conditions for the tiger mosquito to spread. it s also warning that international travel will increase the risk of more european outbreaks. authorities in hong kong have cancelled the passports of six democracy activists who fled to britain. it s the first time the power has been used under a tightened security law passed earlier this year. a hong kong government spokesperson accused the campaigners of continuing to blatantly engage in activities that endangered national security. police in the chinese territory have warned that anyone who gives them funds could face a lengthyjail sentence. now, how long do you think you could last without your smartphone? a few hours? a day? maybe two at a push? well, we ve followed a group of teenagers to see how they cope without their smartphones for five whole days. it s all part of the bbc s teen 2a day and it comes as a new online survey of 2,000 young people conducted for the bbc suggests three quarters of teenagers wouldn t swap their smartphone for a brick phone. but that s exactly what we asked 10 students to do at a college in salford, in the north west of england. our reporter kristianjohnson was there to follow how they got on. on friday i received a47 notifications. it s fair to say some teenagers are pretty glued to their phones. ok, guys, point of no return. thank you. but this group of students are doing the unthinkable, locking them away for almost a week. you said your goodbye? yes. no tik tok. no snapchat. no whatsapp. so, guys, these are your new mobile phone instead they will be using these for the next five days. the only way of communicating texts and calls. i want a nokia. so this is why i don t like it. they re going to have to learn a whole new set of skills for the next week to be able to adapt and continue their life as close to what it used to be. but with that mobile phone underpinning most of their activities, it s going to be a real challenge. so in the mornings, usually i search up the train times. oh yeah i need to leave in 5 minutes. oh yeah. i ve got a little bit of time before i need to leave. but with like without a phone, i ve got no way to know when the next time will be. not being involved in group chats means it s harderfor ruby to meet up with friends. i feel like with the nokia, i m kind of missing out a bit more on social interaction. like we always go bowling or stuff, so we ve not organised anything so far. so i m 52 hours into the detox. i m fine. 0k. i don t think it s difficult or anything. two days into the journey, and while ruby is coping well, charlie has already given into temptation. it s definitely hard when you don t have it. it s like having like a comfort item how many of years? and itjust goes. it was really stressful. some others are struggling too. not knowing what s going on, like a group chat. itjust makes me like, what am i missing out on? but most are focusing on the positives. my feeling i m actually learn and stuff and engage more noticing stuff around me, which i probably should be doing anyways, but i m just too addicted to my phone. usually before i go to bed, i usuallyjust watch like disney+ for like an hour and then just drift off. but since then i ve just gone straight to sleep and it s weird. i feel much better the more i time goes on, but it becomes a lot easier. to think of things to do because you re not going to like, oh, no message. will s journey home takes over an hour. a tram first, then a bus. so in terms of not having a smartphone, it makes it more difficult because i can t check the timetable. and when they say it s been delayed or something, i could at least ring my dad and ask for a lift, you know? will s mum, allison, admits not being able to use family tracking apps like life360 is a hindrance. but she s noticed big changes in her son just three days into the detox. actually, quite nice seeing you without headphones. don t see you that much normally. no. i think it sjust become the norm. whereas actual social interaction does require you to put these things away and engage a little bit more. five days later, it s the end of term and time to get those smartphones back. maybe i ll put my phone away in the car and i ll put my phone away, like when i m around my friends. but in general, like, going on to tik tok everything, i m still going to do that. like, ifanything, i m going to do it more now. i think it s been pretty difficult without a smartphone, but i ve managed to get through it all right. i ll try and use less tiktok, that s for sure. i know my screen time is quite high on that. judging by their initial reaction, perhaps the students aren t quite ready to give up their smartphones entirely, but the detox might start to slowly change their habits. christian johnson, bbc news. what a brave corresponded! 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between. most frequent showers will be across eastern scotland and eastern england. sunny spells and scattered showers in the afternoon, impacting the temperature, 1a or 15 degrees but with a little more shelter and sunshine, 18 celsius not out of the question. a few scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland, hopefully some will either through the afternoon but you can see these temperatures still struggling, 10- 15 temperatures still struggling, 10 15 degrees at the very best. moving out of tuesday into wednesday, the ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers so wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week and make the most of it, more rain to come but it will be a pretty chilly start to wednesday morning, single figures right across the country, low single figures in rural spots but hopefully the showers should be a little bit fewer and further between animal favoured spots for the showers to east of the pennines and more 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voice-over: this is bbc news. we will have the headlines for you at the top of the hour, which is straight after this programme. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. of all the world s continents, africa is the one likely to see the greatest transformation in the course of this century. it will likely be home to almost 40% of all humanity by 2100. if, by then, africans have benefited from sustainable development, their global economic power will be enormous. if they haven t, then they could be facing cataclysmic levels of economic and environmental breakdown. my guest is the president of the african development bank, akinwumi adesina, sometimes dubbed africa s optimist in chief . is his positivity realistic or deluded? akinwumi adesina, welcome to hardtalk. it s good to see you, stephen. it s great to have you here. you need the world to believe in a bright african future. how is that going right now? it s going pretty well. if you take a look at the african economic outlook we had from the african development bank, the gdp growth rate, gdp growth rates last year was 3.1%. this year, it s 3.7%. and next year, it s going to be 4.3%. now, why that is important is that that is well above the global average. you still have ten out of the 20 fastest growing economies in the world being in africa. yeah, it s not quite as good as it sounds because you have fast rising populations across africa. yes, but when you have a lot of global shocks like we have, increasing real interest rates, and you have also a lot of geopolitical risks, you have a lot of inflation all around the world, africa still has its head above the water. yeah, i agree with you that in terms of the population growth rate, it s still high. real gdp is still not as high as we want it to be. africa still needs to grow at double digits, though, for probably another 10, 20 years before you see.millions of people taking out of poverty. but don t forget, africa is still the pivotal continent in which it has tremendous amount of opportunities to actually accelerate its development. but as boss of the african development bank, you need to persuade investors both state investors, multilateral institution investors and private investors that africa is a risk worth taking. and right now, we see political instability in many different parts of the continent. we see massive economic problems, perhaps highlighted most by youth unemployment, across the continent of africa. the risks still look enormous to the outsider. well, you know. i mean, you walk across the street, it s a risk. you take a flight, it s a risk. the world is all about risk, the world is about managing risk. yeah, but the investors of the world face choices. they don t have any particular reason to want to invest in africa. let me tell you why they should actually invest in africa, even if i accept some of the risk. first is take a look at what you were saying earlier in terms of population growth rate. you have a continent that is going to have 2.5 billion people by 2050, right? that s going to be really. especially young people you have a77 million of them less than the age of 35. that s the workforce of the world. secondly. yeah, many of them unemployed young people who will be deeply discontented. no, but actually, when you actually turn that demographic advantage into an economic dividend, that s a different thing. but take a look at also the agricultural potential. well, you know, africa has 65% of the uncultivated arable land left to feed the world, 9.5 billion people, by 2050. that s not in asia, that s not in latin america or europe. it s in africa. so what africa does with agriculture will determine the future of food in the world. but also, remember. 0k. we ll get to the detail of some of that proposition later. but let s just stick with risk because, again, this is about money and it s about loans and debts. and right now, i think it s right to say 22 or 23 african nations are struggling with the kind of massive debt that means they re flirting with default. i mean, some of them have defaulted. zambia, for example, defaulted in 2020. it s onlyjust emerging from default now. that represents, for a lender, a clear and obvious form of risk. well, let s take a look at the risk. perception is not reality. data matters. you know, moody s analytics did an assessment a iii year assessment of cumulative risk of losses on infrastructure around the world. guess what they found. they found that risk of loss in africa actual risk of loss in africa was 1.6%. 1.9%. latin america was roughly 12%. north america was 10%. if you take a look at western asia, 4.5%. so that means that africa is not as risky as people say. that said, you do have market risk, you do have political risk, you do have financial risk. and that s what we do as multilateral development banks, is to de risk those investments. but if you take a look at it in terms of risk return analysis, africa is still the place to be. hang on. some of this is jargon. so let s be simple about it. when you say we need to de risk some of the lending to africa, you basically mean you want special treatment, don t you, from institutions like the imf? no. no, it s not special treatment at all. in fact, africa wants no freebies. we have the instruments to de risk. let me give you some. well, it is special treatment, because you want these special drawing rights from the imf. they re literally called special drawing rights . yeah, but i ll tell you, you know, take a look at what we re talking about here. if you take, for example, benin, if benin needed to go to the capital markets to raise money from external investors, right? you still have a risk premium that african countries have, because everybody keeps saying, just like you said, africa risks premium. we have. it costs us three to four times to raise money than any part of the world. but we have partial credit guarantees that allows us to use $195 million to allow them to raise $400 million from external investors. we did the same also for senegal. we did the same for cote d ivoire, with $400 million to raise $530 million. what that does is it allows you to go into the capital markets, allows you to raise money long term and at a lower interest rate. and that is how we de risk investment. that s very, very important. we just did something, by the way, for egypt. we gave them a partial credit guarantee that allowed them to go issue panda bonds, $500 million on the capital markets, for china. it seems to me one of your messages over your quite long tenure now as president of the adb has been that the key multilateral financial institutions the imf, the world bank they are not sufficiently able or willing to understand africa, and they need more african involvement and input. 0veryourtenure, have you seen things change? for example, i m looking at the fact that the imf has created or is in the process of creating a third seat for africa on its board. south africa, for example, is now included in the g20. have you seen things change? well, you know, there s no choice. i mean, there s no doubt that everything has to change even more, right? first and foremost, their globalfinancial architecture is not serving the interests of africa very well. take a look at what happened during covid. while the developed countries actually disbursed, what, fiscal stimulus $19 trillion, 19% of the global gdp africa did what? $83 billion? that s just a minuscule 4.5%. take a look at climate change, right? climate change is devastating africa more than anybody else, any other parts of the world. we didn t cause climate change, only 3% of accumulated emissions, but we suffer $7 to $15 billion of losses every single year. ijust came from nairobi, where we had our annual meetings there devastated by floods. and you have zimbabwe devastated by drought and malawi and zambia with that. now what happens is africa needs, you know, stephen, 30. it gets $30 billion in terms of climate adaptation, but it needs $277 billion. now, let s go further in terms of what has happened also with the issue of debt that you were talking about. 0k, we have, you know, the situation for debt was not just because economics were being mismanaged. no, we still have, you know. people say you have long covid you have long fiscal covid here, in the sense that the economies are still trying to recover from the effects of that covid. but the two instruments that the global financial architecture put up, it s not solving that problem. you have the debt service suspension initiative, which was just simply postpone the evil day. then you have the g20 common framework. so your message is, you know, that, thanks to covid, thanks to climate change, africa s faced profound economic challenges and the international community hasn t really stepped up and responded and understood and appreciated ? if i mayjust say, because you mentioned the issue of the sdr, i ll talk about that. the special drawing rights? special drawing rights. you know, that special drawing rights, i have been a global champion for the need for us to take those special drawing rights of imf and use it better. when they were issued as a contingent facility, $650 billion were issued. africa gets hammered, $33 billion, $4.5 million. so. so i get it. i get it. the message you ve delivered over years is that the international community needs to do more. but i.want to tell you. ..for africa. ineed. i need to switch the focus a little bit because you re a former minister of agriculture in nigeria, you re an african politician. surely it s incumbent upon you to recognise that part of the problem here is desperately poor governance infartoo many countries inside africa. well, you know, there s no doubt about the need anywhere in the world to have improved governance, improved transparency, improved accountability. you know, we are. so i don t see you talking about that. no, no. i do. let s talk about. well, let s talk about it. ..one of the most famous african writers, and sort of the conscience of africa, wole soyinka, the nigerian novelist. he said, too many african states are run by his quote sick old men, dictators, authoritarians who ve been around for decades and decades. corruption is endemic in too many countries in africa. isn t it incumbent upon you to focus some of your effort on getting african nations to change? we actually, within the african development bank, have a programme called sega. you know, it is all about economic governance in africa. it has to do with public financial management. it has to do with debt management. it has to do with reducing illicit capital flows. now, i agree with you today, we have illicit capital flows out of africa, about $89 billion a year. sometimes it s like pouring water into a basket, right? it needs to be able to hold it. but this much, i will say, even as i agree with all of that corruption is not unique to africa. look. nobody s saying that. no, no. nobody s saying that. but what i m interested in, i m interested in your priorities. no, no. hang on. there was an extraordinary report in the financial times last year which revealed that your own african development bank anti corruption fund which was established, at that point, seven years earlier had never been used. there was $55 million there to finance anti corruption efforts, which you simply hadn t tapped into. no, that is absolutely. why? it s not correct. you know, we actually have an independent anti corruption unit that actually sanctions companies that have non competitive behaviour. you set up a fund and you didn t spend the money that was in the fund. will you let me make the point? because you re asking me the question, so let me answer it. the point is, we actually have the fund. but in implementing that fund, guess what we found? we found that there were conflict of interests in the way the fund itself was set up. as president of the bank, i m not going to mingle that with the funds of the bank. and we said, no, we can t do that. we need to find a way in which that is given to a third party. the money is there, the money is going to a third party. but, look, we re not going to mingle money we ve got for those that pay sanctions to ourselves. it just seems extraordinary that for seven years, you had an anti corruption fund, a so called integrity fund, which you didn t spend a single dollarfrom. well, $54 million. we are a $380 million bank. and just so that you know, the african development bank was ranked just last year as the most transparent institution in the world. let s get back to the strategic vision. you ve outlined it to a certain extent with me over the last few minutes. it is undoubtedly true that climate change and energy transition is one of the key pillars of what you want to achieve with this investment in africa. how s it going? it s going pretty well. you know, we now devote 55% of our overall financing in the bank to climate. when i was elected in 2015, we had only 9% going to climate. but climate is the biggest issue. climate adaptation is the biggest issue. now we have three ways in which we re supporting african countries on that. first is we are. we ve made a commitment to double our climate finance to $25 billion by 2030. second, we have a programme that is called african adaptation acceleration program, which is to deploy $25 billion for climate adaptation. by the way, it s the largest climate adaptation programme in the world, together with the global centre on adaptation. and thirdly, nine out of ten, stephen, countries that are most vulnerable to climate change in the world are in africa. 100% of them are in the low income countries that we serve with the african development fund. so what we did was we created a climate action window with $429 million that will rise to about $13 billion to deploy capital to support those countries to be able to, you know for example, let me get practical here provide crop insurance for 20 million farmers and also have a million hectares of land that s been degraded to be improved, and also 20 million people to have climate information. and so that s what we do. now, interestingly, we have one programme that s working very well. it s called africa disaster risk insurance facility. what it does essentially is it pays premiums for countries when they face exogenous shocks like this one. we ve been able to do it for 15 countries. we re scaling that now to $1 billion to be able to insure countries against catastrophic risk events. but it s still not enough. it s still not enough. lots of different mitigation and adaptation efforts that are being financed partly, at least by the adb. i m just interested to know whether you are still willing to finance investment in fossil fuel production, exploration and production, in africa? there are countries from mozambique to angola to zimbabwe which are still major players and, to a certain extent, rely on fossil fuel energy. are you prepared to put money in those projects? we are not doing upstream work on oil or gas. any? no, and we don t fund coal either. however, i will say this. we fund natural gas because natural gas is a very important transition fuel for africa, just like it is in europe, where you are, right? you turn on your cooker and you cook. guess what? with gas. why should that be different from african countries? where we lose today, we have 1.2 billion people that don t have access to clean cooking energy. you know, we lose 300,000 women every year. all they are trying to do is just cook a decent meal. that doesn t make any sense. secondly, it s that we need gas also for fertilisers. the same way in which the west has fertilisers, africa has the right to be able to do that. but this much i will say about gas, so that we don t confuse ourselves. you know, gas reduces the amount of emissions you actually get from relying primarily on just simply other fossil fuels. and secondly, when you use that for clean cooking, it actually saves hundreds of millions of hectares of land. thus far, all the promises made by the rich world the industrialised, developed world to pour billions of dollars into developing economies, particularly in africa, to help them cope with the potentially devastating impacts of climate change, that money hasn t yet been delivered in any serious amount. is it your message that countries in africa need now to be given massive sort of financial recompense for not, for example, deforesting their extraordinary natural assets? i m thinking of a country like democratic republic of congo which has vast forests. yeah. you know, in fact, if you take a look at africa today, that congo basin that you were talking aboutjust now is the second only to amazon in terms of the carbon lungs for the world. and so africa is providing the global public goods for which it s not paid for. you know, basically, you have vast carbon sinks, you have vast forests, you have biodiversity, but africa is nature rich but cash poor. but how do you get people to listen to this message? well, let me tell you what we re doing about it, what we re saying. we re not going to be doing that any more. if you take what got us to all the mess that we re all dealing with globally today, it s because of the way we measure wealth. we measure wealth by saying gross domestic product, value of goods and services that an economy produces. but who really cares? because that doesn t tell you anything about the technology used to do it, the externalities for it, and who internalises the externalities. in the case of africa, we have all this forest, and we say we re going to have to revalue and rebase the gdp of africa based on its natural capital stock. and why is that important? so you basically take these forests and say, this is real wealth. yes. ..and it has to be recognised, and therefore you have to give us the credit that comes with having that asset ? yes, steve. and the thing is, if you take a look at the debt to gdp ratio, which is the measure that we use to determine whether your debt is sustainable or not, if you rebase your gdp based on your natural capital stock, your debt to gdp ratio falls. no, iunderstand. no, no, but i want to. and therefore it s easier for you to borrow money, which is where you and the adb come in. i get all that, but isn t there an element of blackmail to this? because the underlying message seems to be, yes, we are custodians of this vast natural asset call it a carbon sink and the message is, if you don t recognise that and recognise it as part of our asset base, our wealth and loan to us accordingly, we will exploit it, we ll mine it, we ll deforest it. no, no, no, no, no. no. you see, the coming. it s not about exploitation. it s about being wise and valuing yourself properly, just like if you and i go to a commercial bank and you re trying to value your assets. all we are saying is we want african economies to develop going green. but in going green, the proper valuation of the natural capital of africa, it s very, very important, so africa stops being nature rich and cash poor. 0k, we need to move on because we don t have that much time. 0k. i just want to ask you a little bit more about demographics. you earlier were telling me what a great asset it is for africa to have these hundreds of millions of young people. i, at the beginning, talked about africa becoming home to 4 in 10 of all humanity, potentially, by 2100. isn t the truth of this that there is no way africa can support the levels of population growth that we currently see? well, i think africa is doing well with regard to that. three things i want to say. first is, education matters. you know, with 477 million people under the age of 35, i. and it kind of. sometimes i, you know, see migration to mediterranean and all of that, that breaks my heart, of course. but here is. but it s actually increasing. yeah, exactly. but the future of africa s youth is not here in london. it s not in europe. it s not in latin america. it must be in an africa growing very well, equitably and able to create jobs. but what we are doing. ok, i see the potential, but i also see the downsides. not so very long ago, a few years ago, in this studio, nigeria s former president 0basanjo told me that the levels of population growth in africa that he saw at that particular time, i think it was 2017, represented a ticking time bomb. would you use that language today? i wouldn t use that term. you know, i don t disagree with him. ijust think we need to grow much faster to be able to turn that demographic dividend into an economic dividend. and if you allow me just to make that point, that is why, for example, isn t it odd, stephen, that we have a continent with that amount of people, we don t have financial institutions for young people? and that s why the african development bank is rolling out what we call youth entrepreneurship investment banks. they are new financial institutions that will give debt and equity for the businesses of young people, because i firmly believe that we must create youth based wealth in africa. we have to improve their skills, their entrepreneurship, their access to financing, and for them to be able to play a bigger role in our economy. look, the future of the world is going to depend on what happens to the youth of africa. and so we are putting our financing at risk on their behalf. otherwise that s going to be our biggest risk, is not taking care of our youth. that s a very powerful statement you just made about how crucially important africa is to the future of the world. you need outside help to ensure that africa s 21st century is a positive story, not a negative one. where do you think most of that help is going to come from in the future? the economist magazine says that america has essentially lost interest in africa. it s so preoccupied with problems in other parts of the world. does that mean that china, maybe russia as well, are going to be where you at the adb, perhaps, but certainly african nation states look for economic support and cooperation in the future? ijust came back from nairobi, where we had the annual meeting, steve, of the african development bank. the african development bank, which has 81 shareholders, which includes 54 african. it includes the us and china. and uk, by the way, great supporter of us, you know. but my point is, geopolitical tensions are rising. does africa need to make a choice about who it partners with? yeah, but i want to say is that we got an increase in capital of the bank from all our shareholders, $117 billion. that puts our capital at $308 billion. and that came from all over. it came from the united states. it came from uk, it came from italy. it came from everybody else. but when it comes to investments, we need to be able to have investors in africa. yes, you and i talk about the issue of risk and how we manage those risks. and those investors can come from any part of the world. the fact of the matter is africa.doesn t have to really choose. africa has to decide what s in its own interest and be able to attract the kind of investments it needs. take a look at the transformative power of working together. you know, we have, for example, the lobito corridor, which is linking.angola to zambia, which we are doing with the united states. we also have other corridors we are working with multiple partners on. we also have, by the way, stephen, and i hope i can invite you there, what is called the africa investment forum, which we ve been running for the last five years, and we ve been able to mobilise well over $180 billion of investment interest to africa. same africa that you were saying has risk is exactly where people are coming to put their money. if you re not in africa, i wonder where else you ll be putting your money in. that s where the frontier is. clearly, this is a hugely important story. but for now, akinwumi adesina, thank you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. thank you, stephen. thank you. very good to see you. hello there. for most of us a disappointing start to the week. gusts of wind from the north and in excess of 30 miles an hour. temperatures struggled to get into double figures. slightly different further south and west. just look at anglesea. temperatures peaking at around 18- 19 temperatures peaking at around 18 19 degrees. high pressure continuing to nudge in from the west. likely to be a few showers around but hopefully fewer and further between. most frequently across eastern scotland and eastern england. sunny spells and scattered showers into the afternoon, impacting the temperature. again, with a little more shelter and sunshine, 17 or 18 to celsius not out of the question. scattered showers moving through northern ireland and scotland. hopefully they will either through the afternoon. temperatures are still really struggling. as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, this ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers. wednesday likely to be the driest day of the week. make the most of it, more rain to come. a pretty chilly start once again to wednesday morning. single figures across the country. low single figures in rural spots but hopefully the showers should be few and further between. more sunshine out to the west. temperatures of similar value we have seen all week. the wind direction will start to change as we move into thursday. unfortunately, towards the end of the week, the low pressure will take over and we will see further spells of rain. at times heavy but the wind and will play its part a little. temperatures climbing a degree or so but do not expect anything too significant because we have the cloud and rain around. across eastern and southeast england we could see highs of 20 celsius. take care. live from london, this is bbc news. joe biden s son, hunter, is found guilty of lying about his drug use to buy a gun. hamas says it wants a complete halt to war in response to us backed peace plans. scottish political leaders clash over the cost of living and independence in a bbc debate. and, how long could you last without your smartphone? 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hello and welcome to sportsday. i m marc edwards. raising the bar. italy s olympic champion gianmarco tamberi thrills home fans by taking highjump gold at the european athletics championships. erik staying hag, the dutchman, will remain as manager of manchester united following a post season review and still in with a chance. pakistan beat canada as they live to fight another day at the t20 world cup. hello and thanks forjoining us on sportsday. we begin with the penultimate day of the european athletics championships in rome with some of contenders sure to star at the olympic games in paris at the end ofjuly in action on tuesday. italy s olympic champion gianmarco tamberi thrilled the home fans by taking high jump gold while dutch star femke bol won the women s 400 metres hurdles gold. our correspondent natalie pirks is in the italian capital. well, another very busy night began with back to back championship records in both the men and women s 400 metre hurdles from world champions karsten warholm from norway and femke bol from the netherlands. on the women s 10,000 metres, britain s megan keith took a very well earned bronze. she d already secured her place in paris, so this was a nice, unexpected bonus. there was yet another gold for italy, though, from nadia battaglia with a national record and a personal best. there was a thrilling photo finish in the women s 200 metres. the defending champion, switzerland s mujinga cambunge, just pipped britain s daryl nita to gold. both ran a season s best in that race, and nita afterwards said she was disappointed. but the night belonged to the world and olympic high jump champion gianmarco tamberi. it was like an exhibition out here. he was all on his own jumping where others had failed, and he defended his european title with his trademark half beard. such an entertainer. at one point, his shoe destructed, but he pulled on another pair and then cleared two metres 37 to set a new championship record. the noise here was absolutely incredible. he vaulted the barriers, celebrated with his family and friends before draping the flag over his shoulders and going off to celebrate with the italian president. so that meant that italy is still top of the medal table with 20 medals, ten golds. britain are in fifth and the final day will see another crowd favourite, the world and olympic champion pole vaulter mondo dupla ntis. we ve got the olympic champion jakob ingebrigtsen in the men s 1500 metres and all the madness of the relays and then the women s 800 metres, where british hopes are high of ending the championship with a gold for keely hodgkinson. erik ten hag will remain as manager of manchester united following a post season review by the club s board. united instigated their review immediately after the fa cup final in which they beat manchester city 2 1. ten hag went into the game amid a backdrop of reports claiming he was going to get the sack no matter what the result. a string of managers were also linked to the club with thomas tuchel thought to have spoken to the new united co owner sirjim ratcliffe last week before ruling himself out of the running. the club s interest in mauricio pochettino also cooled even though he was available after his exit from chelsea. ten hag was informed of the decision on tuesday. it was a billed as a must win match for pakistan to keep their slim slim hopes of qualifying for the t20 world cup super 8s alive and they delivered with a comfortable seven wicket win over canada in new york. pakistan s first win of the competition. aaronjohnson hit four sixes the joint most by any player in an innings at this ground as he made an eye catching 52 off 44 balls to help canada reach 106 for 7. but muhammad rizwan and babar azam s steady partnership meant pakistan were never really in danger of losing this one and it was usman khan who secured the final runs, and a vital win, they still need to beat ireland in florida on sunday and hope results and run rates go their way elsewhere. and golf s third major of the year gets under way on thursday. it s the us open at pinehurst number 2 in north carolina. but one absentee will be spanish golfer jon rahm who has withdrawn due to an injury. meanwhile, the defending champion wyndham clark says players need to become better at checking on each other s well being. mental health has become a key focus since 30 year old grayson murray walked off midway through a pga tour event last month and took his own life the next day. ijust think it s more of maybe, the caddies and the players, maybe checking in on each player and being like, hey, man, how are you doing? notjust how you playing golf, like, how are you doing handling that stuff? that s maybe more on the players to take initiative to do that because it is like i said, it s lonely and i ve been in many low spots where, you know, you have some negative thoughts which are, you know, you don t ever want to have, but that s golf. golf can do that to you and you ve got to do your best to not let it do that. tiger woods, for the first time in his career, has had to rely on an invitation to play this week and despite struggling physically since his return from a car accident, he believes he s in the right shape to contend. i do. i do feel like i have the strength to be able to do it. it s just a matter of doing it. this golf course is going to test every single aspect of your game, especially mentally and just the mental discipline that it takes to play this particular golf course. it s going to take a lot. emma raducanu got her grass court season off to a winning start with a straight sets victory over japan s ena shibahara at the nottingham open. the 2021 us open winner was playing in herfirst match since april, having opted to skip the french open to focus on her fitness. alex fletcher was watching. emma raducanu is back on grass after nearly a full two years. time for a return for emma raducanu. injury has disrupted her grass court career but no signs of nottingham nerves early on. a break of serve in the opening game. and one break soon became two. accuracy in abundance. and all too much for her opponents closing out the opening set injust 31 minutes. and despite breaking twice in the second innings, ena shibahara could not stop the inevitable game set matter of the final. 713 days after she lost steps onto a grass court. emma raducanu winning on home turf. alex fletcher, bbc news. finally there will be more mothers than ever representing britain at the 2024 olympics and paralympics. our sports news correspondent laura scott has been speaking to four mothers vying for places at paris 2024. they re too young to understand, but there s a thread linking these boys and their toys. their mums are all elite athletes vying for selection for the olympics and paralympics this summer. these four are part of a growing number trying to do both. you stop it! but when hockey playerjo pinner became the first in the gigabits gigabits squad to have a baby, squad to have a baby, she set about forming an athlete mums group chat, which now has 15 members. we re all different sports, and we ve all had different pregnancies, different experiences., and i thinkjust that awareness that we re, like, we re not alone. what we ve been quite good at is telling each other if there are inconsistencies in how we re being treated, or the benefits or support we re receiving. despite steps to make it easier for athletes to return after having children like continuing their funding during pregnancy challenges remain. i don t feel like it s offensive any more. i don t feel like you re going to not be supported. i just don t necessarily think that we ve thought of all the right ways in which to support mothers. how have you found that return and how you view your body and how your body has responded to getting back to top level sport? it s a journey, isn t it? laughter. i wouldn t say i m back to where i would want to be, and i thought that i would be back by now. but, again, i think it s one of those things that is so unknown, like, you don t know how your body is going to react. and i didn t know how my body was going to react with having a disability, as well. some feel they ve become even better athletes. so i m actually faster than i was before. really?! amazing! i ve actually pb d all my lifts and most of my tests this year. i certainly came to respect myself in ways where i probably wouldn t have before. so what s the one area they think needs even more focus? pelvic floor is the go to for me with that question. 24 months postpartum. you still need to be. ..like, if you get a cold and you re coughing loads, you probably will wet yourself and it s like it sounds awful, but it s a normal thing, and i know there s so many mums not athletes out there that just think they have to keep quiet about it, and you shouldn t. they hope that by highlighting shortcomings in what they experienced, things will be better for the next generation of mothers. the biggest thing for me was making sure that, if i was going to be the guinea pig, no one else had to go through this same journey and these same issues, which i think british rowing have dealt with really well, like maternity policies coming out. i m really excited for that to come out, and for other people to also try and do the same journey and see how many mums we end up with on the team. while sporting success still drives them, having their children to come home to has given them a new perspective, and an acceptance that not everything goes to plan. laura scott, bbc news. you can get all the latest sports news at from the bbc sport app, orfrom our website that s bbc.com/sport. from me and the rest of the team at the bbc sport centre, goodbye. hello there. it s felt quite pleasant in any strong june sunshine. but generally temperatures have been below par for this time of year and wednesday looks pretty similar to the last few days. some spells of sunshine, variable cloud and further showers mostly across eastern areas. i think there ll be fewer showers around on wednesday because this is a ridge of high pressure, will tend to kill the showers off. the winds will be lighter, but we re still got that blue hue, that cold arctic air hanging around for at least one more day before something milder starts to push in off the atlantic, but with wind and rain. so it s a chilly start to wednesday. temperatures could be in low single digits in some rural spots. these are towns and city values. a little bit of mist and fog where skies have cleared overnight, but it s here where you ll have the best of the sunshine, northern and western areas. a bit of cloud across eastern scotland, eastern england, one 01’ two showers. through the day, it ll be one of sunshine and showers, but the clouds will tend to build most of the showers eastern areas, tending to stay drier towards the west with the best of the sunshine. so it could be up to 17 or 18 degrees in the sunniest spots, but generally cool, ten to 15 or 16 celsius. and then as we move through wednesday night, any showers fade away, lengthy, clear skies. the temperatures will tumble against mist and fog developing. temperatures in rural spots dipping close to freezing in a few places. generally, though, in the towns and cities, we re looking at 4 to eight degrees. now we ll start to see some changes into thursday. we change the wind direction, we lose that cooler air, something a bit milder. but this frontal system tied into low pressure will start to bring wet and windy weather initially into northern ireland, spreading across the irish sea, into western britain and pushing its way eastward. so we start dry with some early sunshine across eastern areas and it should stay dry, i think in eastern england, eastern scotland until after dark. we change the wind direction despite more cloud around, 17 or 18 degrees. and it means thursday night will be milder. so a milder start to friday, but low pressure across the country bring stronger winds, sunshine and showers or longer spells of rain. some of these showers will be heavy and thundery, particularly across southern and western areas. but despite that, in the sunshine, it ll feel a little bit warmer, maybe 19 or 20 degrees. not much change into the weekend, low pressure dominates the scene. it ll be breezy at times. there will be showers or longer spells of rain again, some of them heavy and thundery. but in the sunnier, brighter moments, it llfeela bit warmer, 19 or 20 degrees. and another thing you ll notice, it will feel milder at night. take care.
the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d-day invasion, they opened up a new western front against the nazis in europe. and that of course was a shock to the germans. the operation overlord, the d-day invasion, it relied on the element of surprise. and the germans really were shocked. they had been occupying france for four years at that point. they the installed a collaborationest regime that they assembled from pro-fascist and pro-nazi forces inside france, so the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. they were actually heading into year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, in france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way there, they would stop and do something in oradour. they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision. that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children. they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour. this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last living survivor of that massacre. i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find. the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battle that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered. they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who survived that massacre from giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it. he said it would be inflammatory. it would inflame the public against the nazis who killed all of those unarmed american p.o.w.s. i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the bad guys from world war ii and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening. and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons. number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today. you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of this all together. episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen. i have been working really hard on it. i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted really radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before. and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now. from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american right, but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large proportions of the vote in the european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist participaties of world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets in the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to provide even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as much as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her. 46 republicans voted for this thing. a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, who has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his supporters who physically attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend. was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall of 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get? president biden clearly sees our connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the future of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections? sure. these were elections for the european parliament. so the european union wide parliament, so the only election that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany. in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold. i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise. people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenderoffs the stat status quo, but you have to tap into people s dissatisfaction with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, not enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated. ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama. ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re almost always one of the first people i think of. thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the podcast. i appreciate it. thank you. we have much more ahead here tonight. do stay with us. shop etsy for thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little something extra to the ordinary. find items that add wow to walls and make you fall in love with your family room again. when you want one-of-a-kind pieces to refresh your home. etsy has it. sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, 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( ) ( ) this one will never see the light of day. all right. nitty-gritty here. in the aftermact of the 2020 election, georgia became this kind of benchmark for principled republicans refusing to go along with improper, un-american machinations from president trump. governor brian kemp, brad raffensperger, two very conservative republicans, both nevertheless stood up to personal pressure from trump to overturn president biden s win in georgia. and of course, all that pressure trump brought to bear on georgia republicans and the ways in which those republicans resisted, that formed the basis for fulton county district attorney fani willis filing a huge rico case against trump and 18 of his codefendants in georgia. that s one story of the state of georgia after the 2020 election. republicans standing up, the record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling, damning criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that pro-trump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes, no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is use every tool at their disposal to derail fani willis prosecution of trump. in the latest development in that three republican appointed judges have just put the whole case on hold while they take their time considering whether fani willis should be disqualified from the case. thus guaranteeing that the georgia prosecution will definitely not go forward against trump before the election. but that s only the start. in georgia s most populous county, fulton county, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a pro-trump think tank, she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile, just north of fulton county, republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now, the board there, like other counties in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans, but republicans in cherokee county are no longer okay with that. they wanted a full scale republican takeover, when that was blocked, they comp with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have ever heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta journal constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman, quote, assured the board that the new member is a democrat, even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he s definitely on your team. i know you have never met and i picked him, but trust me. pinky promise. meanwhile, at the state elections board in georgia, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections boards to conduct a, quote, reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now required to do by law, they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the journal constitution notes that, quote, the proposed rule doesn t say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah, why would you specify that? you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? 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so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. time stops. 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ag from billings montana, i thought we were supposed to swim away from the shark know we have to punch the shark, which one isn t? you punch firstly is a way. i m telling you an expert told me that s the way to get out alive. start from oceanside california, if biden refuses to leave the white house its because you can t find his way out. maybe he doesn t know if he loses. k. from tester, virginia, biden will be in the beach peat-mac it s joe who will lead the white house. all, joe. doctor biden, accused me. always remember, i am watters, and this is my wo world. sean: welcome to hannity and tonight here are those six words in the english language that every every democrat loves to recite, no one is above the law. not even turn on fake new cnn, msdnc,, you will hear that phrase a lot, but only when you talk about trump or other republicans. when someone on the left commits a crime, that s a very different story. for example, over the weekend, you had rioters dressed up as islamic extremists by delighting historic monuments. c., resulting law enforcement, drilling project out of the park ranger, no consequences. it looks like they they were trying to have an insurrection peat-mac there were no arrests, no fines, no dramatic leaves on the left for anyone to be equitable peat-mac will have a full report and more video at this weekend s disgusting right along with a message for those who were mad at israel for successfully and quite heroically for wing four hostages in gaza. and another message from fake new cnn which seem to think that israeli hostages were simply released. know they were rescued. but first we turn our attention to some of the most shameless and morally corrupt people in america that would be there biden s. many in the mob of the media they like to point out that hunter biden s ongoing trial is an end like example that even if biden conveys justice but in reality hunter s trial is but a perfect example of the links your government will goes to allegedly to protect the son of a prominent democrat. know according to the very real contents of hundred s very real laptop the president s and engaged in a life or crime for many years, you the evidence seems transparent win were running but you decide. he was on a massive scale that remember the fallout of the 2020, 51 intel expert signing off on a letter claiming the laptop had all the hallmarks of russian disinformation? this after three years of lies being cuddled over and over again, the russia hoax by the media mob got all of the salajko all of it based on a dirty dossier pallet rca becomes the basis of lying to fisa courts four separate times. two of them signed by mr higher james guo me. in reality that the so-called experts were spreading this information. all they knew about the laptop was nothing remotely only knew they wanted joe biden to win. you think had apologized? don t hold your breath. know that the laptop is official evidence at hunter s gun trail, fox news digital reached out to the all 51 intel experts that sign on the letter and most had no regrets at all whatsoever for my they got what they wanted. the hell joe biden get the election in 2020. so even claiming that it was the patriotic thing to do. a means to an end. anyway of course joe biden is no president. the evidence of the alleged wrongdoing on that laptop is shocking and murky have rampant drug use, hundreds of thousands of dollars seemingly, i can say for su sure, spent on soliciting sex, purported tax evasion on millions of dollars in income that needs to be invest investigated. refusing to even file tax returns in certain years. along with the possibility that it should be investigated, of money laundering possibility of tied to his own father. many americans can rightly sympathize sure with his addictions and personal struggles but not the millions of in millions and millions made with businesses and mitch he admits he had zero experience at all or the shady actions of his father s department of justice, which is politicized and when the size weaponize. according to the new york times that the orgy prosecutor was gavin white remember he s going to sleep the whole thing plan a under the rug, no charges at all after purposely letting the statute of limitations run out on some of the more serious on to plan b mack that was that because the judge actually read the plea deal have started asking real questions about the totally completely unprecedented nature of the deal. and i were on to plan c. well after years of investigating, let s make this guy the special prosecutor in delaware in a courthouse there and hope for the best. the jury is of has officially begun the deliberations, you know, any outcome would surprise me including outright acquittal or a hung jury but they ll decide if hunter is guilty on the three felony charges. out miraculous hunter of lying on an atf form when purchasing a gun contrary that he was not addicted to drugs. as we alleges that hunter illegally possessed the gun while addicted to drugs were actively using drugs. the evidence seems to me overwhelming based on evidence from the trial, one day after binder can hunter texted his girlfriend, he was waiting for his dealer and the next day hunter texted his girlfriend, he smoking crack so let s be clear, these allegations are not a joke. joe biden of his fellow democrats d. love to lecture you about gun control in fact president biden is now proposing tighter regulations surrounding lawful gun ownership and steep penalties for anyone who dares to step out of line? and his own son is on trial but gun crimes. but if this is the only child that hunter! this will only prove that biden s the orgy as we have been telling you is politicized and weaponize. the judge instructed the jury to ignore hunter s prior to the first family but let s be clear that it s because of those ties that hunter now is only facing gun charges in the biden friendly menu of delaware. he is not getting the normal drug treatment like trump got in new york with the valuation of mar-a-lago at a mere $18 million in a case that involves valuations. the judge in a civil trial was more guilty of valuations fraud then anything the accused donald trump of. and, of course, we have the case of alvin bragg, misdemeanor statute of limitations expired charge to a felony population parameter don t even tell trump what you re charging him with. you know, more impotently about that biden bidens, whited foreign oligarchs, whether they pay hunter biden millions of millions of dollars according to the johnson grass lease in that report? what service was he capable of providing if he was admittedly addicted to drugs at the time? know if he was lobbying on behalf of a foreign entity, why didn t he register with far argument isn t required by law? invited hunter and the entire biden family use over 20 shell corporations according to the house oversight committee with those echoes actually used to follow foreign funds to different members of the family? interesting questions, right? the big i financially benefit from hunter s foreign deals and anywhere? according to the laptop that apparently is very real while the big i had 10% put aside for him and hunter complaints bitterly about giving her fist and complain about paying for tops. [applause] home report everyone of you watching this show about meeting with his son s business associates a crew member has enjoyed it and over he never one time ever spoke to his son come brother or anybody about this foreign business deals. devon archer says that he recalls joe biden calling to at least 20 meetings hunter and his foreign business partners. and what about marissa mark? the ukrainian energy giants mark hunter admits no experience in oil, gas, gaheer gran willy goes on good morning america but then gets paid millions to set on that company s board? and then joey might recall, bragged about leveraging a billion of your dollars to get the ukrainian prosecutor investigating this company and his son fired? brags about getting it all done within six ours. the result of that firing? hunter continues to get paid for zero experience of the remainder chinese energy conglomerate see will take seaver for another day. ethicacy hunter s gun trail is really just the tip of the iceberg. rightly i would call it low hanging fruit when it comes to hunter. and just below the surface, it s not a pretty picture. and make no mistake. where family can ostracize their own 5-year-old granddaughter and ignore her existence until shamed by moreno at the new york times and the never even follow-up to talk to her, meet with her, include her, it s safe to assume the worst. of course, everyone including hunter other innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, right? so tonight we continue to await the verdict at a delaware out of delaware, not exactly unfairly menu for biden. you re reaction be a fox news conservator jonathan mack let s get your take on the case as an outside observer following it closely as you ve got i felt the evidence was overwhelming incontrovertible that i thought actually i was actually pretty impressed with the prosecution in this case indicates that eventually did put on but only because they were forced to. the prosecution did an admirable job. they were right on the very in a very tight case. was most impressive is that a below the defense council put up a series of differences that collapse within two days. particular this methodically destroyed all of these cla claims. and in the normal case that jury would ve been out for an hour and come back with a conviction. i mean this is very obviously in a fence that was comm committed. but that is not what the real difference is. i mean as implausible as these arguments are there really placeholders. the defense is playing to a delaware jury. this is biden town. this is wilmington. this is where the home of the biden family resides. and i think they re looking for jury nullification. and to add to that there s a certain degree of sympathy for someone who had a tragic fight with drug addiction. so we will see what happens tomorrow. there s no question in my view that the government struck the landing you re. the approve the case. the question is whether they can get the jury consider the evidence and not just who the defendant is. sean: what do you think the most and i do respect abby as an attorney. i think the one thing hunter has going for him is abby abbe lowell and i would argue there are not many great attorneys and dc but he is a good attorney for sure. and i thought you did as effective a job as he could considering the hand that he was dealt with was awful. with that said, do you think he was able to cast doubt in any area that sticks out in your mind? no. you know, the argument that was made by him starting out was leaving someone else check the box back and they brought this mr cleveland forward who doesn t do that out of the water and said i stood there, watch him check that box and the other boxes and pulling to take his time which he did the emma keenan said while he was really sort of bum rushed into buying a gun and cleveland said no, he came in intending to buy a gun. and then there was this ludicrous argument that he had this sort of immaculate sobriety are at least he was just drinking, not using drugs, and the government destroyed it and it showed it catch the very next day were you trying to meet mookie to score more drugs today after that passing that he is doing crack in a car. any he had with the system forward to say that when they saw him do crack, he was doing it every 20 minutes. so live these things survived within two days. but again sean: i apologize, i thought you were finished. you agree with me that the real important issues that people should be concerned about and this is a serious issue of the crime aspects and charging him he here. but i think the more serious issue involves how much money that hunter was making without experience at a time he s addicted to drugs, seemingly offering those services that we can identify as of now. that is exactly right. you know, what s amazing about this case is that it blew away their own defense that the media has been repeating for years that they ve been noticing that hunter biden really was this incredibly competent in demand businessman and international experts. in his book and in this trial is clear that he was addicted to having a vertical time managing the most basic parts of his life. but he was getting millions from his companies. yeah. sean: jonathan turley, professor, think you for joining us, fox news legal analyst, harvard law professor, alan dershowitz, professor you actually on a satellite tonight. i don t have you on your little, you know, zoom thing. it s great to see you little bit clearly comak will start with you tonight. accurate to your take on the case and you agree with the last question asked professor turley which is about, you know, this is low hanging fruit as far as i m concerned considering the millions and millions of dollars that they brought into this family at a time he s addicted to drugs and, you know, with no experience admittedly an interview on good nourishment good morning america? the best thing they could possibly happen to donald trump is if hunter biden gets acquitted. because the evidence against hunter biden is so much more compelling of the legal issues which were compelling than anything against donald trump and it will prove beyond any doubt that this is all about where the trial was conducted at that if your trump in you tried in new york is automatic guilt and if you re biting and you tried in delaware, it s a different bird. to the best thing you could possibly happen to donald trump is the acquittal of the biden base in all the. would also be a good thing for america. it would uncover and disclose the horrible double standard that our criminal justice system is going through. maybe we can get some reform. maybe we can do something about it. right now our criminal justice system is the laughingstock of the world and i feel you re so horrible about it. i ve been with able to 60 years of my life to try to defend and explain the legal system based on neutral principles that legal system is gone. the trump case destroyed it. and if there were an acquittal in this case, at least it will expose that. know there maybe a condition in this case but is often it is so overwhelming that won t hurt donald trump payment but if there were an acquittal it would help donald trump and were mostly in the court of public opinion, nobody would believe that the new york there s an acquittal in this case. sean: is such a difference in terms of the venue. it seems that if you want equal justice and equal application of our laws and the one constitutional order, it s all going to depend on the value of it all going to depend on whether are politicize and organize the prosecutor may be and how abusively bias a judge can b be. yeah, as a hole and the notion comes to is additionally of impartial jury. but here, the facts are so simple. the law is clear, the evidence of guilt overwhelming other events argument that hunter was in denial about his addictions. so there is some that is so absurd. but look if hometown jury is already in your back pocket then jonathan is right, sympathy injury notification might actually work. and it doesn t matter that jurors are not allowed to negate the law. they do it anyway sometimes because secrecy of deliberations protects them. they can do as they please without consequence. but having said that, prosecutors to have an advantage. it would have to prove that hunter was high on drugs or addicted on the day he brought the gun, only during the general time frame and that was proven conclusively threw text messages, photographs, witnesses, his own words from the book he wrote their mark hunter it turns out was the best witness against hunter, which is precisely why he chose not to testify, he would ve been completely shredded on cross-examination. sean: predictions, professor dershowitz. i think the evidence is so overwhelming, there could be a conviction. but i wouldn t be surprised if we saw jury notification. remember calgary litigation cuts both ways. would have been in new york when jury notification. the jury found that innocent person who committed no crime whatsoever guilty because of the judges instruction and because the prosecutor made up case. that when jury notification with judge nullification. this could very well be a case of jury notification as well. sean: prediction, gregg jarrett. this has been a no-nonsense, honest judge that federal judge. huge difference between this judge and train one. in the jurors follow their duty as they must there will be a conviction. sean: all right. no outcome, of the guilty verdict up acquittal, hung jury, nothing will surprise me or. but we will see. thank you all. appreciated. when we come back, things are so bad, i mean, so bad for democrats, you ve got prominent democrats and even a prominent election forecaster 40 the idea that biden should drop out of the race, our friend james carville is using his mind. got players on him and much more as hannity continues. erogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. 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(kev) . i guess we re movin . we ve always loved taking care of our home, from the gardening to any repairs that come up. but last year, grandpa here broke his arm. snowboarding. snowshoeing. anyway, he was fine, but it takes longer to heal now. and we prefer to stay active. we realized some home maintenance jobs aren t worth the risk. that s when we called leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter s patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. guaranteed. they gave us a free inspection, and we got our system installed that week. our leaffilter trusted pros will clean out your gutters, repair or replace your gutters, and install leaffilter, america s #1 gutter protection system. honestly, my only regret is not calling sooner. it s true, leaffilter has saved us so much time and the peace of mind. now we can focus on what we really enjoy. join millions of satisfied homeowners. get leaffilter. call 833 leaffilter today, or visit leaffilter.com sean: with your president joe and his struggles mounting in this environment until election day hundred 47 days and can t democrats are sounding the alarm yesterday james carville once again saying you does not think that biden should have ever run again. take a look. we have it is in a choice that i was crazy about. actually was very public that i thought that president biden should not run for reelection. but the lack of enthusiasm among young people from public-policy or public service of being! being involved in the public square is quite disheartening and i can understand it on one level. i ve talked to them and if you like things are not working for them, they feel like 280-year-old guys don t mean much to them. and i m really afraid we re going to lose our generation of young people. sean: democrats sea losing the core coalition of real in people, african-americans of historic earlier today election forecaster nate silver echo his comment seeing democrats maybe would ve been better off if biden had stepped do down. yesterday than your times even publishing a peace highlighting biden s long list of bizarre lives including his claim that he used to drive an 18 wheeler that he was the first in his family to go to college after his uncle was eaten by cannibals. he received an appointment with the naval academy from his future senate opponents mckee got involved with the civil rights movement at the age of 15. we know that ally mckee was arrested on the front porch with a black family during disintegration at a local neighborhood and that he never earned 400,000 dollars in a year. will of course the new york times at various points they kind of downplayed these blatant lies as hyperbole or exaggeration and those are the ones they included. that only the tip of the iceberg. take a look at your screen because were scrolling more land has told over the years. by the way the new york times who are you are very welcome to use our former comprehensive list of joe biden lies if you ever decide to abandon your corrupt and abusive bias and by the way that you can even give me attribution. and joe did partner with that friend of his that mentor of his complex right california klansman robert kkk bird stop busting in the immigration of public schools. remember julie said he didn t want public schools to become racial jungles. they might want to cover that too. there is biden s struggles continued to mount, trump is not slowing down at all. is the research is allegedly in full swing. meanwhile biden s desperate election-year water crackdown is already feeling as illegals continue to flood over the border which with sources knuckling out 10,000 were operated thursday alone. four time the limit of which biden said he will stop processing asylum claims. in other words it was all smoke and mirrors are not real. here with reaction, harris culture, mark penn haux of formulary and is fearless. there s no such thing as a fearful tabular in any way. an object out for miller and. let s get your take. is a long list of people now. s james carville, i was before mark penn gotta let him speak for himself. but it s brandon jones, it s david axelrod, it s maureen dowd, nate silver now joining the chorus. you have been saying, do you still believe 140 days out, do you think you will replace biden? i absolutely believe they will replace biden. i believe is going to happen either at the convention or shortly thereafter. i think the democrats or four too strategic and therefore too used to winning and they enjoy winning four too much to take arrest with joe biden and i know they took a risk in 2020 but when we look back at the debates in 2020 and wheeler, when he was nearly newly elected he was in far better shape than that he is no and he was slipping then. thank they can possibly take that risk. who believe they will swap him out. i also think that when it comes to this first debate we need to actually raise our expectations of joke because as counting it as a word if he is able to step up bright and complete a sentence is giving him far too much credit because then he ll claim the victory that is located after the state of the union because he was able to get through it in one piece. so we have to raise our expectations of biden and we also have to put the onus on the democrat agenda and not just the messenger, but the actual message. because if and when they do swap out biden we have to be ready on the republican side and cannot be cut flat-footed if they bring gavin newsom and anything shiny new toy, we can t let that happen in the strategy of the democrats is unmatched can never forget that. sean: i don t think it would be gavin. i think it would be more likely be what more of their their bypass vise presidents harris. mark, and anybody really conclude anything else, that smart number, like yourself, you really don t want biden, do you? well i think i ll defer that one, per se. but like i didn t think he was going to run. you decided to run back and you know what, east of the democratic primaries. these are he s delegates, is his convention. the idiot he is not going to be the nominee i think is a fantasy. getting the party is around him, i don t know why jim said what he is that there is not really particularly useful at this point. the only thing i ll say is this debate sean: well do you know what he said what he said? is a little risky. sean: do you know he said it? what s the point of saying that now? sean: it s obvious this guy is a mumbling bumbling, stumbling, fumbling, you know, you can barely string sentences together. however,, i do take tommy s and mr thing will see the return of jack up joe. whatever joe drank at eight, took before the state of the union, maybe it was just read bull and caffeine pills. i don t know. whatever it was that that was not the normal joe. we never saw it before and we haven t seen it since. but we will see it for the debates. know there are some even saying, mark of the donald trump might be wise to just pass on the first debate with bill his nominated linda beat him. what would you say to that? i would say he accepted i it. accepted an alliance that. if i were donald young out of them somebody negotiating here. but i would think you out now without really looking cowardly. and i think biden has, you know, said he went to meet the challenge. i think it s a big task whether you think intact or not. if you can get to that debate at the leftist campaign and if you can t suspect it might actually be joe my have been donald trump a fever and i see this affectionately by insisting that with is not his term to speak that the mood your reaction? i would hope a lot of things for that first debate. obviously is stacked against onto and we know that but i think donald trump had an incredible opportunity in this first debate back more presidential that he s ever acted in his entire life to push everything on joe and joe s feeling agenda and his failed policies which is a democrat failed policies and agenda. demek from justice back and he lets joe talk himself in to a corner of the normal jump will not force the images have to restrain himself which i believe he can do apple it and can act as prejudicial and dignified as possible and he will win against joe biden and his failed policies. you simply can t stand on those and quite frankly can stand at all. sean: all right. let me ask you this. if, in fact, joe, for whatever reason, mark penn, went out. tommy is convinced it would be gavin newsom. i m not so sure. i don t think it would be gavin. that is my guess. have no insight, knowledge, except he only and over and over and over again, when i interviewed him and interrelate with governor desantis that he wouldn t do it. okay. so i think the most likely person if it s not vice president harris would be governor whitmer of that is my take. people uprooted the name michelle obama. everything she s up to the job myself. would be the most likely democrat, who would you pick if you had to choose somebody? well again, and have to go through the history here. these delegates were nominated for this tickets. harris i think would be the likely nominee if, for some reason, at any reason, joe biden had to remove himself. you can bet on that is almost a certainty feature you think it would be kamala harris? yes absolutely. sean: all right. the game is on. i don t know what you guys want to bet but, you know, feel free, you know, off air. thank you, both. when we come back all right four israeli hostages, thank god, held by hamas terrorists since october the 7th and they were rescued during what was a daring raid this weekend. we have the video of it. but your vice president is making sure to appease her far left base rather than praising those involved in the heroic read and we ll tell you what the left also said about this heroic moment. you think they would be happy the hostages were freed of the people that were involved in taking them, yes some of them died back but every death not taken place since october 7th, the blood is on hamas. 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[ gunshots ] [ gunshots ] [simultaneous talking] [ gunshots ] [ gunshots ] sean: a very courageous, serious complex military operation but over the fake news cnn one hostage release? know that would be a rescue. keep in mind that is in network that is supposed to host the upcoming presidential debate. so can fake jake tapper and dana bash really be objective or test object or trusted? of their liberal talkshow host color not generalist as they came claim to be. also vice president harris she warned the palestinians, tragically killed during the raids and called for an and back to the war complaining of course to her extremist left-wing base which showed up in full force this weekend in front of the white house and probably started vandalizing monuments in lafayette square reportedly screaming at police and secret service in demanding the illumination of the state of intro. secret service agents, you know, were told to kill themselves there s a lot the release for some of these radicals and by the way we were forced to retreat from the insane mob. anyway here with reaction of former senior aide to president trump stephen miller and from l affaire project you know, the people that are responsible for the murder of 1200 the people that took all these israelis and americans hostage and is real bravely is risking lives to go save the lives of people i argue that every death of every palestinian that blood is on the hands of hamas that started this war that killed these israelis and the worst terrorist attack in history and it s miraculous that they got these four hostages and that would be called a rescue not a release. you re reaction. sean, s right to be with you here can mike mcivor detail you re absolutely correct. under the laws of armed conflict it is hamas, a terrorist group is responsible for the death of civilians both israeli civilians and palestinian civilians. but have to ask yourself of knowing is happening in this war right now, at what point under the laws of armed conflict do you lose your civilian status? because let us not forget that it was over 2000 gallons civilians that broke into israel on october the 7th mark it was the garden civilians along with hamas that tortured, that raped, that murdered, that burned israeli civilian babies al alive. it was garden civilians let then took israeli civilians as hostages. that kept civilians who murder others civilians and you must be sure that no matter what you call yourself, if you kidnap and murder israeli civilians the idf will rightfully hold you accountable. like any sort of like that coastal illiterates, you know, hollywood leftist george clooney knows literally wanting bibi netanyahu to be brought up on war crimes has he is literally trying to defend his own country from radical islamic terrorists, you know, how people like that moral clarity stephen miller got a number for the life of me understand. israel has the right to self-determination have to defend their country from a group that has in their charter a call for israel s destruction at what would ve been 40,000 dead americans in our database under population and then you have, you know, jack ash actual actors like george clooney and his wife going after the prime minister for trying to preserve their country? really? you know, where is your moral compass, mr clooney? although mr i being too polite like much. there isn t one. there s no moral compass. the radical left in this country has decided that it s on the side of hamas. is as simple as that a commercial is a genocidal terrorist organization. one of the most evil and vi vile, repugnance, organizations alive today or at any point in the history of humanity as has been discussed congaree county butcher valley murder of the torture they sexually enslave women and children, broke barbarians. joe biden democrat party is now playing for the pro- hamas in this country. they re playing for whatever sliver of voters in this country think is sympathetic to hamas. know that s morally indefensible, but i would also say its politically idiotic because for every row hamas brought in this country there are 20 motors, 30 voters who are horrified and as appalled by the atrocities of hamas as we are on this panel tonight. i believe joe biden will pay a deer price for cozying up to that segment of the u.s. electorate. sean: this is one of the saddest moments in u.s. history are not only did he have advocate america s role on the world stage as the leader of the cause of liberty and freedom and that he also surrendered in the war against radical islamic terrorism by saying were not going to help israel defend against those people that attack them on october 7th, you know, just the perfect bedfellow to raise money george clooney and his wife thank you both. appreciate. coming up another truck joe biden virtually tied in the state of virginia, the commonwealth. wildebeest it flipped reed in november? 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joining us with more coverage in the governor glenn youngkin. governor adolescent gaheer victory really shocked the world in many ways because a lot of people like myself included, that virginia had gone solidly blue as the northern virginia was hired too many dc employees will vote for the bureaucracy and he became that much more difficult of a state to win. is a state in play for the long-term? i believe it is and that s exactly what the polls are showing us. just like georgia and pennsylvania and wisconsin at michigan and nevada and arizona, those battleground states are seeing the exact same kind of statement that virginians are making. they want a strong america. a1 america has economic strength. not that biden terminated economy establish in conventional flowing over every day. we see it in virginia, we literally have five virginians dying and i read from the demo overdose and we had two illegal immigrants crash negates at quantico in a box truck recently. anyone in america that has energy independence. we are so tired that i can hear every single day of being told that you have to buy an ev if you live in california but not in virginia anymore because we declare our independence or that, in fact,, you have to pay 20, 30, 40% more for a gallon of gas because of the biden field energy policy. they want trump back in the white house because he built a strong america. and that s exactly what we ve seen in virginia over the course of the last couple of years there a commonsense conservative policy works. we ve unleashed you referring economy in virginia and i think what is the international level. yes virginia is in play come we ve got hard work. but i m telling you when they put the records of president clinton against president biden, i believe that virginians and americans are going to find themselves pulling the lever for president trump. sean: when i was with president trump last weekend and i did an interview with him your name came up and he asked me if i spoke to you often and i said well occasionally, you know, we have spoken and you come on the show and he said when you told him, tell him i m going to give a call. i want i would say expect a call from president trump. i m just a mere messenger. you know, what about northern virginia because it always carries me because there are so many dc bureaucrats that s live in the commonwealth of virginia that work in dc and how big a percentage of the vote is that going to end up being the commonwealth? in order to win virginia like we did in 2021, you have to lose both in virginia less badly. and what we did of course was we won hispanic vote, we one the asian boat. we one the independent vote. people already are ready for change. and in 2021 we were ready to see parents put back in the head of the table, back in control of the children s lives. they were tired of government taking all of their hard-earned money and putting it in government coffers were sleeping in in her pocket. they wanted a chance to build their lives the way they wanted to build them not being told what to do all the time, mandated masts and oh by the way man it was kind of car you drive. this is virginia and, of course, i think this is america. and therefore the plan to win virginia is of course to lose northern virginia, less bad but to get over 40% of the vote and not get out in the rest of the state and that s exactly what we did in 2021 and when you look at president from straight across virginia that s exactly what he can do. sean: limit your final question. and donald trump and i know you your name has not been out there prominently but if the long-term called you and ask you to run with him what would you say, governor? well first, i would be honored and humbled and tell him that there is a ton of talent the republican party today and i ve seen them everywhere and it s my job to finish my time as governor and help him win virginia. but i ll tell you what, we have to make sure alec to get donald trump back in the white house because america can t withstand another four years of biden. sean: is not a hard no? let not your heart be troubled there is a realistic view of the fact that there are so much talent that i think he can have a great choice and find lots of people. sean: i understand. all right. governor that always great to have you on the program. when we come back, the white house pulling agencies of internet, did not go away well for joe. straight ahead. home inspectors, general contractors, roofers; all kinds of pros recommend leaffilter. why? it s engineered for performance. because with leaffilter s patented filter technology, there s no gaps, no openings, no place for debris to get in at all. leaffilter is a permanent solution we install on your existing gutters. you ll never have to climb a ladder to clean out your gutters again. our installation process is simple and easy. just give us a call and set up an appointment today. we ll come out and give you a free gutter inspection. if your gutters are sagging, we ll repair them. if they re broken, we ll replace them. if they re in good shape, our local trusted pros will install leaffilter in as little as a few hours. and the best part? 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seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it s powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we ve got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary moments that hostages are found alive during that, during rescue mission in gaza in broad daylight, a top israeli official will join me here live. i m kaitlin collins this is the source let this sink in and for just a moment, the presumptive republican nominee and the former president of the united states, just met with probation officers ahead of his sentencing which happens to be one month from tomorrow here in new york. now these pre-sentencing interviews are routine procedures for convicted felons, but it s safe to say there is nothing ordinary about this interview or this convicted felon. here s what we do know as of 9:00 p.m. here tonight, it was around 330 this afternoon that donald trump donald trump met virtually from his mar-a-lago club down in south florida with officials here in new york or sources say that he answered all the questions that were asked of him. cnn s john miller was told that trump was polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers who conducted this interview. and the whole thing was over and just under half an hour it is quite the call, but adding to the unusual nature of this whole thing, we re told that the commissioner of new york s probation department was present for it, along with the general counsel and the officer who s assigned to the case and trump, as we know, with the permission of the judge here, one more sean was joined by his lead attorney, todd blanche, who are you d this case. now, typically, a convicted defendant would meet with their probation officer without their attorney. there. but this was different here. like many of the dynamics here. and ultimately it is the probation department that will submit a report based in part on today s interview to the judge here, who of course, will then ultimately decide but trump s punishment will be, i m joined tonight by trump biographer, cnn political analyst, and you times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. maggie, i mean it s a required step before sentencing, but just the aspect that he is undergoing. this is just remarkable in and of itself, everything about this is remarkable. and i do think that we lose sight of it that especially those of us who were in that courtroom, as you and i were, this is a former president who was trying to understand that his supporters think that this was not a case that should have been brought. they say that all the time. i think his lawyers feel this way too but nonetheless, he was convicted and it took less than two days and now we are hurdling toward a republican national convention, where he is going to be he nominated for a third time as the party s nominee, and he will have just been sentenced a few days earlier on july 11. and so i don t think we can overstate how remarkable this is. i think where it stops feeling remarkable is that voters don t same, particularly interested in it. and so this is history. this is something we have never experienced before. everything you just described is not the usual procedure in this kind of a sentencing report interview. but this is not typical, as you said? yeah, for all the talk of how trump has treat, i mean does get special treatment in some of these circumstances and you talked about the hell the sentencing is on. it s on a thursday. the convention starts that monday based on what you ve heard, has it set in for donald trump himself though, that this is happening, that he is having to answer these kinds of questions to probation officers. it has not actually don t think that the the conviction has left his mind much even though he s i think the best compartmentalize are many of us have ever seen on the political stage. i think he is well aware of what he is carrying over the next four weeks this situation where most of them would try to get a lesser sentence in these kind of interviews or when they go before the judge, trump will have an opportunity to speak to offer to be contrite but it doesn t seem like he s going he has been making that argument based on what he s been saying on truth, social, or rallies, or in interviews about this case and we do know he s also planning on appealing it right after that sentencing happens. so how does he balance the two of those so my assumption and we don t know specifically what he said in this interview. it was pretty short today. i don t know what the average length of those are, but 30 minutes is not a long time on its own my assumption is that he was actually not contrite, but certainly more subdued in that interview. than what we have seen on truth, social, what we saw outside of the courtroom and the hallways at the courthouse, what we have seen him du rallies, what we ve seen him doing, interviews it will be very hard for him to then suddenly argue that that s all just politics. or he didn t mean it, or what have you remember? he s going to be sentenced by a judge who cited him for violating a gag order several several times. and at one point said to him, the last thing i want to have to do is put you in jail, but made clear that that was on the table. if he kept doing it i don t know what this ends up looking like it i don t see a world where trump stands up and says, i m really sorry because trump s still denies anything happened, especially to this judge of all people are rapidly rails against repeatedly, which is you make a really good point there that how he acts inside the courtroom or based on what john miller heard about how he was in this interview? it is quite different than how he talks about it at rallies on tv in front of the mics. as you and i know well, from covering him for a long time, he can be very different depending on what crowd he is playing, two and when he knows that he is playing to the probation commissioner and his probation officer or the person assigned to the case. i am expecting that he was slightly more subdued now, do i think that that means that he said you re right. i feel terrible about all of this. no, i find that very unlikely, but i doubt that it was spoken version of the all caps truth, truthsocial posts and part of this process is family members, friends can submit letters to the court on the defendants. the felons behalf do you think that ll happen in this situation? actually do think that there are a lot of people who are potentially going to write testimonials. we ll see if that happens, but we certainly saw that he and his aides were getting people to attend the trial. normally, when people do that, it s so that the jurors can see sympathetic people around the person is in trump s case, it was so trump could roll heavy with elected officials for the most part. but i could see efforts by his family members, by friends. he went to court a couple of times with steve witkoff, one of his oldest friends whose real estate investor from new york, i could see people like that sending in notes to the judge. yeah. it s interesting. i also wonder the vp contenders who also started showing up, the doug burgum is the jd vance s making very clear. it s also a question whether they would say something on his bath or there s doing it on on television and interviews. my assumption is that they are much likely are to do it to the cameras than they are to the judge because they re playing to a different audience than the judge. their plan to trump seated senior legal analyst elie honig is also your elie you when we look at this, how much impact does what happened today in this whole pre-sentencing report that s gonna go to the judge how much impact does that have on the actual sentence itself? these reports matter. they re not binding on the judge, but they absolutely matter because this is the first time you hear from some sort of neutral third party trusted by the courts, probation department, and i promise you, whichever side likes the recommendation will say, look, the probation department is with us. there on our site and just to give you a sense of how closely he held this information is when we would get these pre-sentence report sent to us as prosecutors, it would come in to emails first and encrypted email that you couldn t open unless you had the code and then a second email giving us the password to open it. so that s how confidential this information is kept. it seen as is proprietary, it s private information, it s personal information, so it s very closely guarded by the courts. does it ever make a difference to the prosecution of what they re going to ask the judge for in terms of sentencing, when they look it over port like this for sure. because let s put ourselves in alvin bragg s position here for a second. this is going to be really close call at sentencing. what does alvin bragg? i think he s likely to ask for some term of imprisonment. i think it s hard for him to bring a case like this. just to get 34434 convictions and then say, we re fine with probation. and if probation, the probation department itself has come in first and said, we recommend prison. it s much easier as the da to say we agree with them. yes. do that there s a lot of information in this pre-sentencing report that it actually could pertain to his other legal issues that he s dealing with from the civil ones here in new york, but also the other criminal cases. could that complicate anything? i mean, is that why todd blanche attended this today? would normally an attorney would not be present for it, happy if i had a client who had three other pending indictments and several civil verdicts in the process of appeal, i would absolutely insist on being there because what he says can be used against him in certain circumstances. another thing to keep your eye on here is now the trump s been convicted once he sentenced in new york that could actually bump up his punishment if he s convicted in the other cases because those cases, what you do is you calculate a person s criminal history. now, he has a criminal history. you re agreeing maggie? impact. do you think it could have i think it could have all of the impacts that le just described. i also think that it could end up being i m not sure that this will happen, but because it hasn t happened yet, but it could end up being a factor in whether prosecutors, any of the other cases and led correct me if i m wrong? if they want to suggest that this impacts his release conditions from those indictments. now, again, i don t think that s likely, but i do think that we have seen jack smith raised concerns about his attacks on the fbi. judge cannon, in that case, the mar-a-lago documents case, did not agree with them. it s just something it s more grist to the prosecutors can point to but if he s not if there s not jail as a result of this. i mean, even if he s checking the probation officer, that would be pretty remarkable in the homestretch of the presidential campaign. yeah, have a curfew. i do sometimes and to have a geographic restriction, i mean, the conditions or probation chen can differ quite a bit, but i do want to make this point, even if judge merchan sentences trump to prison. and i think there s a decent chance he does. that sentence will almost certainly not be imposed until after appeals. and i assume that he is going to differ the sentence until after the appeal is ongoing and set aside. and then that likely gets us till after the election. and of course we know trump is going to appeal this. elie honig when mega man great to have you both to start off the show tonight, coming up here, trump s co-defendant in georgia smiles for his new mug shot in arizona here what rudy giuliani said after he just posted bail and arizona today. but first the helicopter pilot who flew hostages out of gaza is now speaking out as we are seeing new video showing that rescue happening. israel s ambassador to the united nations is here to weigh in the source. we ve kaitlan collins. he s brought to you by up devo plus your voice. find out more at up devo.com. if 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on daylight, we typically this kind of stuff seems to happen at night. it was interesting that it did happen and daylight when i was in combat truthfully, kaitlan, we did normal conventional operations in the daytime and nighttime was left mostly for the special operators to do these kind of hits within our area of operation. so to do this in daylight, is just phenomenal to me that takes even more training. but they had to get in there, they had to see the ground and they had to see the train that they were operating on. and what does that tell you about the hostages? notice they re being held and buildings and apartments we know some of them were told are being held in tunnels, but clearly some of them are being moved around and being held held in buildings, but held in palestinian homes where palestinians were aware that they were there this is the coercion that hamas has on the local residents of gaza. and it s right smack in the middle of a neighborhood. and in fact, a un relief agency building was nearby. we have seen this throughout the campaign that these kind of operations by the israeli defense forces are taking place in neighborhoods with mosque, with hospitals, with schools. all of it within the environment of the palestinian people. it s remarkable, general mark hertling great to have you here tonight. also, your tonight, israel s ambassador to the united nations go out or dawn great to have you back. i do know how the hostages are doing. what would ve israeli officials heard about them they said that they re doing well, obviously they need psychological treatment and other kinds of treatment to recover from what they ve endured. but thank god, there they re at home and they are with their families. and that s the most important thing this were four people who were rescued. this puts the total that israel has rescued of hostages since october 7. its seven people. and obviously, it s undeniable that this is a success for the families and that they are happy to see this but also the question is do you, are you worried that it jeopardizes a potential bigger hostage agreement with hamas to release them on the contrary, i don t think he jeopardizes the bigger hostage deal since we had the first deal, hamas refused every for was put on the table. there were own ready. today we re where we had the fourth security council resolution that passed, but we had three previous ones that were rejected by hamas calling for the release of the hostages so it s the only thing that can work is this combination of diplomacy applying international pressure on hamas that started only today with the resolution that passed in the security council. and using our military might. but you can t what israel has not been able to do is rescue all of them through these special ops operations that are happening. we just talked about the difficulty of it. you can see they is so i do think that s a real question tonight of what it means for for a hostage deal, for getting the rest of the hostages home i don t think we forget them. i mean, we we are willing to sacrifice. you saw we are losing when we paying the ultimate price are best soldiers or lose all right sacrificing their life to save the hostages. hamas does the opposite, but what other choice do we have as long as hamas refuses to every hostage deal, i mean, president biden said ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said, the resolution said that we accepted the new hostage deal we are accepting the outline that appeared in the resolution today. i want to ask you about what happened at the united nations today. but on this, israel s facing a lot of backlash internationally because of how many palestinians were killed as a result of this rate, how does israel justify how many fatalities? it s worth going in and conducting a raid like this in broad daylight when civilians were obviously out. sadly, sadly, you cannot interview here one of the hamas commanders because he s the right address to ask him this question. it s not us to justify. they re putting their own civilians in harm s way. what other choice do? we have? any country would do the same in order to release and rescue their hostages. and still, we don t know the real numbers of un-involved civilians. there were so many civilians. there that we re cooperating with hamas to keep, to keep the, you know, to keep the host the jezzine in apartments to report to hamas when our forces are getting closer and many times, we know that hamas is using civilians that are not affiliated with any terrorist organization, but still they are terrorists. so we cannot still use the terrorist numbers, as you said these are hamas numbers, figures 200 276, and we regret the loss of life. we always, when there s an opportunity and there s an option, we want this civilian population, we hope that they re not going to stay in harm s way, but you re not denying obviously innocent lives were also lost as a result are you soon i assume, yes. and i regret it and i it s a tragedy, but we cannot i mean, if we don t put the blame on hamas, we are helping and advancing their strategy because otherwise, other terrorists, we are going to use the same strategy in many other countries. if you can abduct innocent civilians and then hold them in civilians apartment and think that you have immunity. it s not going to work. we will never defeat terrorism. let s talk about what happened at the united nations today because you just mentioned in that security council the resolution that passed, it is the first time we ve seen something like this passed since october 7 happened in the eight months since the war happened, you are present for the vote today, but you didn t address the security council. why not? well, i thought that we don t want now to emphasize any differences. i know when sometimes when i speak, people are listening to me and they re listening to what they want to listen to so we preferred to lower the tone today as i said, we accept president biden s first of all, we respect him and we are grateful to all of his efforts and his administration efforts. we accept and we accepted the outline of the deal, but i have to admit we had our concerns about the way it will be interpreted by hamas. that s why we held an intimate dialogue with our american counterparts once our security concerns were addressed so we accepted the deal. you said you had concerns. this is a resolution calling for an immediate it s fire, ultimately a permanent one, and the release of all hostages. can you say tonight that israel unequivocally backs this resolution again, it depends on the interpretation because there s phase one, phase two, phase three, moving from phase one that caused, now for the release of the world on the than the women and the elderly that should be done by hamas. and then moving to phase two, that, then you get to the permanent end of hostilities, ceasefire. it needs to be it depends on upon an agreement that should must be achieved between the parties. one of our conditions this is not only the release of the hostages is also the future of gaza, and we cannot agree to hamas continuing to be the rulers of gaza because then gaza will continue to pose a threat against israel. but this still is israel s proposal. why can t netanyahu say right? he supports it well, i don t know what he said to secretary blinken today when they met. the fact that the fact that i wasn t instructed to speak out against the deal means that we accept the deal wouldn t it mean that you re supported. if you could come out and say you supported it. but i m i m saying here that we accept the deal. again, it s pretty much depends on the way it will be interpreted by the negotiators because hamas years let s say answer, you re saying we support it but you re not just saying unequivocally that israel does support it because the words are very important, because when it, when you say that, if the negotiations continues after six weeks, we need to continue with the ceasefire. so hamas can exploit this clause and continue with endless and me in, in glass negotiation, that means nothing. obviously that wasn t the meaning of president biden when he outlined his just to be clear, even if hamas comes out tomorrow and says yes, we accept this israel still wants to negotiate what it would actually look like to implement. all know, there s, if hamas accepts it and you listen carefully to what they said today. they said empty words, they welcome the resolution, but they still didn t say that they accept the deal. they know exactly what is the deal already? for sure they know the first phase, phase one, so they can say yes to phase one, we will see hopefully the release of the women, the elderly, the wounded. israel will hold its fire for six weeks and then there will be negotiations on moving to the second phase, which is the permanent ceasefire, but it depends on some conditions that needs to be negotiated. the resolution says that upon agreement between the two parties, the parties not only two parties there there will be other parties as well. we ll see what they what they say, ambassador gilad erdan, thank you for checking. ahead. rudy giuliani is latest mug shot after he just posted bail to de in arizona, but still spreading lies about the 2020 election. my next guest is worried about misinformation in this election, arizona s secretary of state will join us here with a new ai video that he created as a warning to voters the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president one stage two, very different vision genes for america s future. this cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max have heart failure with unresolved symptoms it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr cme a rare under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you call your card pretty allergist and ask about attr cm, nine out of ten people don t get enough fiber. bennett fiber is the easy, gentle solution for every day. it s plant-based prebiotic fiber nourishes good bacteria in your gut, working with your body to promote digestive health with so many ways to enjoy benefit number is your fiber, your way? 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oh, my goodness. no. why not? i m very, very proud of it. there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history joining me now, arizona s secretary of state, adrian fanta and secretary, it s great to have you just for context for everyone, you are precisely the recorder and maricopa county. you are on the front lines of the election in 2020. so obviously you have great experience with what, what actually happened in the 2020 election. i just wonder what your responses to hearing rudy giuliani he say that he has no regrets about the efforts to try to overturn the election. there. well, first thanks for having me on and second, i stopped taking rudy giuliani seriously after the borat tape and so i m not going to countenance any of his lies further than they need to. he s been indicted and he isn t and it s an until proven guilty. and that s really what the process is that we re fighting for. we think the rule of law should be applied to every person regardless of their station and that s really, i think where it ends and i know you can t talk about the specifics of the case, but the other thing that he said there that caught my ear was he said that there was a tremendous amount of evidence and that there was an abundant amount of evidence. i mean, you oversaw the counting of the ballots and maricopa county, was there a tremendous tremendous amount of evidence of voter fraud from what you saw? well, i m glad you pointed that out because the 2020 election actually was the election where i was running for reelection and unfortunately the voters had a different opinion than i had and i ran the election. that was my own loss. and we know that the elections are solid in arizona. they always have been the people that run them have run them with honor and integrity for a long time. i can t say the same for folks who have been proven wrong over and over and over again. in every actual inquiry that has occurred. and so we re going to let the process play its way out and let the chips fall where they may, for these folks who have been accused. as you look ahead to 2024, you did something recently that is really remarkable. what you created this ai generated video of yourself, it looks like you, it sounds like you. i just want our audience to see this video that just as a reminder, is actually not real this is an impersonation of arizona secretary of state adrian fontes using generative ai. the video was created as part of the arizona election security and ai tabletop exercise for the media our goal is to make sure folks understand the capabilities of current deepfake technology and the dangers it poses to the public i mean, it s unsettling to see that, to hear that, to look at you right now in real life and i just wonder the fact that that can be so easily done, how much it concerns you about what election workers, election officials like yourself are up against. well, this is one of the reasons why we started engaging ai experts and training our own elections officials in arizona last december during a tabletop exercise, we want to make sure that our folks are as well prepared as possible that these things are not new to them. if and when they get used in malicious ways against them, or our voters. that is really what this is about being prepared for possibilities. we do all kinds of other preparations in election administration if we ve got delivery trucks, we ve got backups. if we have electrical systems, we ve got backup generators deployed this is part and parcel of the new reality in election administration and it would have been irresponsible of me as the chief election officer and arizona not to prepare my folks. it s just like when i was in the marine corps, you use the tactics and the weapons of the enemy to prepare yourself for the impending battle, hoping that that battle never comes secretary of state, adrian font says, thank you for joining us tonight thank you for having me. also tonight, we re tracking some vip stakes developments because one leading contender is revealing some of the questions that they are being asked by the trump team. including, have you ever committed a crime sirens are going off and the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die. and i thought that was it fallen earth with the liev schreiber sunday at nine on cnn her appointment and 30 minutes. okay one. remember, i don t want surgery from i do patreons contraction two, i don t want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three, i want to treatment with minimal downtime for i want to non-surgical treatment. goodbye. and five and if non non-surgical treatment is an auburn i ll get a second opinion let s go take charge of your treatment. if you can t lay your hand flat visit, find a hand specialist.com to get started that s rob. it s scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health central gives everybody a healthy foundations supporting your i m yours you did plus try centrum silver. now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. in the next 30 seconds, 250 couples will need to make room for a nursery. 26 people will go all this family. we ll get two bathrooms and finally, one vacation or we ll say yeah, i m going to live here that as a euphoria subsides, their realisation hits i can see the house don t worry, just sell and buy in one move when you start with open door. wow. oh yes start with an all cash offer at opendoor.com kevin bought the tape. i ll put it on my chase freedom unlimited car and i m a cashback on a few other things too dark with the sale system. all right. from deep step one more thing, the team hold it gets five minutes. gay cash, rows i like it. i ll break the clay back like a pro would chase freedom and limits. how do you catch? 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unclear to me, i still think it s remarkable less than the uncharted territory that we re in. you cannot work in the west wing. i could not have worked in the west wing if i d ever had a felony charge, yet, there s a very real chance we ll have a president overseeing the west wing who has 33 or 34 felony charges on him? yeah. that s a good point. i mean, what do you make of that question? have you ever lied, you know, kind of what this process is looking like for these potential confounders look, i go back to the voters. i think that voters actually care if there s this kind of history. and i think the criminal conviction that trump has had is going to matter. dad. i know there s some polling suggests otherwise right now, but i think it s going to matter in the end. so this actually is important because if, for example the process that they have says it doesn t matter if you ve lived are commit the crime. that s going to come back to hurt them if they say, oh, no, no, we must have a vice president who s never, ever committed a crime it kinda advertise is the problem with the top of the ticket. and i think one thing we can say for sure, top of the ticket dominates here in a way we ve rarely seen, vp is going to be so much marginalized compared to past races but this question kind of speaks volumes well and the question is also, does it affect the margins because that is going to be incredibly important in this election. and so when you, what i ve been talking to people and tell me what you ve heard as well. is that it seems like it s jd vance, doug burgum, and marco rubio who ve risen to the top of who s under consideration electorally speaking, who do you think would be the most beneficial to donald trump s ticket i haven t publicly stated any favorite. they come a strengths and weaknesses. i m sure if you come up with a list of seven or eight names they all bring their own positive electoral history and they have their positions on issues that might have more symmetry with a, an electorate. but that s ultimately up to the present to choose who he wants to be his running a bunch of races. you just read one here in new york. i mean, that is something that people take consideration. one for me, i think in 20241 of the best skills is going to be the ability to get into cities, to go talk to longtime democratic voters about issues that they care about. their are disenfranchised voters out there who aren t going to just come around and vote for your ticket? i ll be this saturday in detroit. i ll be speaking a few hours ahead of president trump. we saw president trump go into the south bronx. i found during my race for governor, as i was talking to asian voters and black motors and hispanic voters when you show up and you don t pander, you show up and actually talk to him about the quality of education in schools or crime, or mental health challenges, or homelessness and more on the issues there are these issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty. so ultimately if you haven t asked me what traits as far as getting out in campaigning and making a difference, i would say it s the interest, the willingness, the ability to get out, not just talk to republicans who may be already with you, but being able to win over the support of democrats, saying that you should be under consideration. you re going to say all right now i will nominate julie sure. that ll help my thoughts. the first to speak up for it has somewhat like good stuff in the cup the vp doesn t necessarily matter beyond what can you add that the top of the ticket doesn t donald trump need somebody who can be a monster fundraiser? he s lag joe biden. this cycle. he needs someone who can go and campaign independent of him. he is going to be tied up in courtrooms. he s gonna be busy who can go out turnout crowds, and reach voters who we maybe hasn t been able to. and then he wants most fiercely loyal to him. and this is the key thing. and you were somebody so you know this i know personally it s somebody who would not do what mike pence did on january 6. that s been a bit of aliveness test and some of these discussions, i think rubio and bergen make a lot but of sense i am kind of stunned though, that there s only really one woman and consideration and she s kinda considered the second tier considering that abortion is one of the top issues this cycle, trump s consistently been bleeding support with suburban women. and i think having a woman in contention would be a huge boom. i hear you, but i have to say, i think it s past that point for them yeah the first time in american history that a right has been taken away. the right to choice has been taken away by the supreme court. those people named by donald trump, having a woman as vp is not going to erase that. there s no way you can make that up. and i think the challenge here is none of these figures that are being talked about for vp are big enough. to really have an effect on the election. they re not going to win the swing voters over. i think this is a key thing. you just said, right? suburban women are going to determine this election right now, that s something that s gonna help joe biden in my opinion, and those swing states, who of these folks that donald trump is looking at for vp are possibly going to help to change that balance. i don t see any of them as decisive. trump has just two dominant and he has crossed the rubicon on issues related to women in such a profound way, vp is not going to say, do you believe any of those three names that could help with that? i mean, a marco rubio or any of those names that could potentially help with some of those voters are two seats. i think first the foremost, the most important trait we re talking about one quality a few minutes ago about winning an election november the most important trait is somebody who can fill the position of being president of united states and that really should be like the top three priorities of picking them. and there are talented people here. i mean, you mentioned doug burgum is a governor of a state and he was a wealthy the businessman and marco rubio is he s a good messenger and he speaks spanish and he can get out and communicate with a larger demographic. but if you go down the list, you jd jd vance, cia, he come comes on your show and you might ask him tough questions and he s ready for, and he ll give you tough answers and you re ready to go back to them and i think the audience likes to watch the back-and-forth there. there are talents by don t think anyone really is going to change the election as a vp of them are particularly presidential in my opinion, respectfully, and i can say democrats and republicans, i can say different or the same analysis for people in both parties these particular folks don t strike me as the person who s going to step in if they were ever called one dynamic though that i think i just want to finish. i just don t think it would be very interesting and valid. trump said, i m going to go for a really well-known, highly respected kind of crossover american figure, someone that people could see as their president. i don t think the people we re talking about here meet that standard. i just think that when you get to a vp debate and you get one shot right? there might be as few as one debates. one debate. and vice president kamala harris is onstage with that candidate, and you re talking about these issues related to the border or the economy, foreign policy and energy. and you re flushing qing out, not just your own positions as a candidate, but really the positions of your ticket and your party in a moment, there s someone there when mike pence arguably beat vice president commonly harrison. a debate in the next day, donald trump s stepped on the entire message at the end of the day donald trump s fatal flaw since he wanted 2016 is not being able to pivot to a general election. he s out there this week and talking about wind turbines and sharks and boats and sinking, not talking about issues voters, qarrah, always talking about rage and retribution. so you can have the best messenger out there. i think mike pence was arguably the best person he could have chosen navigated the trump dynamics in a way that wasn t better could i think i don t know that anyone s going to be able to bring him back to these independencies right? 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i think we are going to get a verdict tomorrow. i mean, it s not a complicated case. we only had four days worth of evidence. the jury certain lee knows what the issues are i don t think they have to spend more than tomorrow on this, but i think if they don t get a verdict tomorrow, you could be looking at a hung jury here because, like i said, the facts are not that complicated and the legal issues really aren t that complicated. and as we know, if it s a hung jury, they ll try to send them back in, like what we were speculating with the trump case as well. yeah. they would get an allen charge, which is a charge to tell them to continue to deliberate, but they ll also be cautioned not to give up their firmly held beliefs. so it s time for the sake of coming to a close. jurors light want to reach verdicts. they know they re supposed to reach a verdict, but sometimes they can and sometimes allen charge is working, sometimes they don t. i wonder what you thought because you re always we re always trying to get the minds of the jury. we don t know what they re actually thinking, but what do you think they took the prosecution s closing argument today not to pay attention to who is in the room. i mean, it was a pretty clear comment directed at the first lady jill. i mean to refer to people in the gallery are not evidence. i think that was the direct quote to refer to the first lady as people in the gallery. i think it could have been very off putting. you have to assume that the biden family and forget about what you think of joe biden, forget about what you think of hunter biden. i m sure jill biden enjoys a good reputation in the state of delaware. the rest of the biden family, it seemed like a little bit of a cheap shot. i think the prosecutors felt like they had to acknowledge what they perceived as the elephant in the room that you have the biden family there, but it wasn t inappropriate. they were all close family members, right? it s not like, you brought in political allies or people that you wouldn t normally expect, people you wouldn t have thanksgiving with? yeah. if you were the attorney representing hunter biden here, would you have sent the family million? oh, absolutely. i would have had the family that interestingly, i think i would have considered bringing the president there just for the summations now, you can t bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn t he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that s interesting. so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i m sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he s there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he s not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he s not there as the president of the united states he s there as the father of hunter biden? yeah. i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it s it s not great, but you can t read too much into that. yeah. we re not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to
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said maybe that s an undervaluation. credible. all right. thank you very much. nick watt and thanks to all of you as always, ac30, 60 starts now tonight on 360 real warriors and people don t. trump is now calling warriors, namely the violent mob that storm the capitol, keeping them on it let s take the difference also tonight, hundred biden s fate now in the hands of a jury, how the defense and prosecution did and making their case. plus the latest in a string of cnn exclusives on deck kids of sexual abuse, the coast guard academy. tonight of coast guard official breaks are silenced and says she was part of what she now calls a cruel coverup. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep romanness with something the former president has been saying a lot lately. and what it says about him. sunday as president biden was visiting the american military cemetery outside paris and frehse, marking the 80th anniversary of d-day and at normandy, donald trump was saying this there s never been people treated more horrifically. then j6 hostages. but those j6 warriors, they were worries but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing and then the police he said, going go in, go in, go in water, set-up. that was that s the former president of the united states sunday in las vegas. and just to refresh your memory, these are the people he was honoring, specifically the ones in prison for crimes they committed on january 6 or jail awaiting trial. and it s certainly not the first time he s called these people hostage. ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the horribly at unfairly treated very six toss ditches it s now part of his routine that recording. he standing and saluting four features him saying the pledge but of allegiance while these inmates, whom he calls hostages sing the star spangled banner and calling them hostages in november after actual hostages were taken by hamas reading a daring military operation in gaza after almost eight months of mental and physical torment at the hands of hamas. and we ll have more on that tonight. but those are actual hostages. trump would have you believe the january 6 inmates are hostages and also warriors and victims? he said that two victims he also claims were invited in by police. so they re warriors and their hostages and their victims. and they re also according to him, lovers the love the love in the year i ve never seen anything like it. there was also a loved fast between the police, the capitol police, and the people that walked down to the capital so stir that in with all the rest. and here s the former president is reshaping the attack on the capitol. peaceful protesters full of love invited into the capitol by police who loved them and return, but who somehow tricked them and made them victims, who then turned into warriors who are now being held hostage. let me introduce you to one of these man who s presumably a warrior and trump s size daniel rodriguez, this is his photo was posted on social media by username deepstate dogs. rodriguez was part of the mob that attack police with metal poles and bateson stolen riot shields and chemical spray. and in his case has stun gun. he attacked officer michael fan-owned with it, who later suffered a heart attack and traumatic brain injury rodriguez pleaded guilty like so many others have and was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison. his is one he s one of the people, the former president is calling a hostage. and it shouldn t come as a surprise that trump is unfamiliar with what a warrior actually is. casey is watching, here s one from d-day technician fifth grade john jay pinto junior. he waited through machine gun and artillery fire carrying a vitally important radio assured omaha beach, which he did despite being wounded once then again, making several trips back through enemy fire to get more equipment ashore until he was wounded a third time and died technician pender was awarded the congressional medal of honor posthumously. president trump refused to visit the same cemetery that president biden. so many other presidents have over the years. and according to his former chief of staff, from being corps general john kelly, quote in the atlantic, he said, why should i go to that cemetery? it s filled with losers had he gone, he might have learned what being a awarded are truly means separately the former president now a convicted felon, met by video conference today for a pre-sentencing interview with the new york probation officer, joining us tonight, former republican congressman and house january 6, committee member adam kinzinger, also seen an chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, congressman. first of all, what is your as somebody who is actually serve? what is your reaction to the foreign president calling the riders warriors and hostages and victims? i mean, it s. it s thick and disgusting obviously i think we have to be careful to not allow this outrage to just numb us like this really should be. and thank you for putting this at the top of the show. there should be at the top of every new show anywhere in the country at how agreed jus and terrible, this as they re not for years. the ones that went into the capital, most of them, if not all of them, have been arrested and tried. and interestingly, anderson at the beginning when they started to get arrested, they were remorseful. and then this right-wing ecosphere put their arms around them singing the national anthem and stuff and in that process can vince them that they were victims and have made them martyrs and heroes. this is not something americans that aren t completely sold out to the cult should be, should accept and we should have this be a fresh outrage every day when he does stuff like this, it s also entering andrew. i mean, i know some actual warriors. they re not people who usually view themselves as victims or just sort of helpless victims. very often, how dangerous do you think it is for law enforcement and andrew and the public when you are the former president gaslighting his supporters because i mean back in 2022, there was a guy of set about federal authorities searching mar-a-lago for classified documents. he was killed after trying to shoot his way into an fbi field office in ohio. it feels like du the congressman s point the former president just says this stuff and people just kind of ignore it. but i mean it has repercussions potentially yeah. so let s get the facts out first on this warriors claim. so as of january 6, 2024, which is most recent numbers, i could find, we ve got 1,265 people have been charged in as a part of that january 6 case 718 of them on that by that de had already gone into court. raise your right hand, sworn to tell the truth, then said i did it. i m guilty to the weather. it s trespassing or obstruction of official procedure or assault on police officers and others. so the idea that these people are somehow being held against their will for political reasons is absolutely absurd. and donald trump knows that s absurd. he knows it because he spent four hours that day watching the video tapes from behind the cloister walls of the white house in the warm embrace of his secret service security team. so he knows exactly what happened that day. he knows those people were rioters and its direction us and many of them have to their credit stepped up and taken responsibility for that. the thing that i cannot get past anderson is how many people give him a pass for saying absurd and sickening only false things like this. and you re right, these false hoods that he, that he throws out in front of his rallies and supportive it is for political advantage, but it comes with the cost of driving up risk to people in the system, law enforcement prosecutors, and others. and you made the perfect example. ricky schifflin, who was outraged by what he undoubtedly heard the president say after the mar-a-lago raid decided to take it out violently on the fbi s cincinnati field office, that could happen any day anywhere around the country to any fbi agent or other federal officer by somebody similarly misguided. also, i m congressman. it s just i mean, it s kinda it s just i mean, it s sickening that the former president basically saw this so the october 7 hostages being held by hamas and islamic jihad and others as a branding opportunity and i think according the washington post in november s when he started using the term hostages for the for those who have been found guilty of crimes on on january sales x and re-brand braise, branding them january 6, hostages. i mean, it s it s really worked it is really warped in that was various student view to notice is that he never used hostages until there were real hostages. some of which are still being held, some have been killed that are being held against their will. i mean, look, i m probably started with marjorie taylor greene two she she came up with some of that, but i think the biggest thing to take off of what mccabe said is we re all the members of the house and senate, including the ones who after january 6 stood up, lindsey graham, i m done with this guy. we had a hell of a run, but i m done you think of like marco rubio, all these people that know better, that just keep their heads down and don t say a word. this is threatening the very fabric of domain microscopy because all we have to have for democracy to survive is a basic compact that your vote, you can vote, your vote will count and the person that wins wins. that s what donald trump was tearing apart that basic contact contract. that is the only requirement for democracy to survive. and he is turn these people that violated the rule of law into martyrs. and by the way, if we don t have rule and law in this country, democracy can t survive either and he is just an absolute il, fit mentally flawed is probably the nicest way i can say it. former president and candidate for future president in america has to reject him. john, i know you have new reporting on the former president s meeting today or interview with probation officials, which is a normal part of this procedure. what happened? so today donald trump with his lawyer, todd blanche, over a microsoft teams connection, had this virtual meeting to prepare to assist probation department in new york city with preparing the pre-sentencing report that goes to the judge it was an unusual meeting in that present there was the commissioner of the new york city department of probation wanted to homes her general counsel, bridget hamline, and the probation officer who would normally be there by himself or with another officer who would do the interview. the interview was led by commissioner homes and to the official who was briefed on the interview afterwards told me that at all times donald trump answered the questions which were things about what are your living situation, any health issues family history, where do you spend more time? new york or florida? a lot of things that donald trump, but thank every everybody already knows. but commissioner home said these are the normal questions. we re going to put you through these questions they said he was polite, he was respectful, and that at the end of the meeting, he wished them well and ended the call with be safe and we just got speaking in new york city mayor giuliani, former mayor giuliani s mug shot from arizona authorities. he s been he was hard to get a subpoena. subpoena to. he found they finally did. this is his his his mug shot that s not the mug shot. will try to get it he s pleaded not guilty there to charges of trying to overturn the 2020 election results what what happened to him well, this has been an amazing rise and fall from a kind of prosecutor built on the image of thomas dewey going after the mom i ve been crooked politicians to a mouthpiece for donald trump as president. and then the lead counsel by the way, this is the mug shot that was another mug shot of his, which clearly he s gotten a lesson from that prior mug shot because this one is smiling at least that s right there prior mug shot was from the georgia cases. so now he s on his second mug shot, but he has he has he has hitched himself to the donald trump wagon, but he s also been through multiple breakups and divorces. he s lost millions and millions of dollars. he s in bankruptcy see his apartment is up for sale and it was amazing to see someone who was the face and the voice of law and order in new york city for so long and then the mayor for two terms, a law and order meir, be someone who s going on his second mug shot and who has been disbarred and barred from the practice of law in multiple places. endrew in a series of interviews over the past week, the foreign president has talked about, been asked about this whole retribution seeking. he talked about running. i am your retribution. he had said months ago. i just want to play some of what he said well, revenge does take time. i will say that does. and sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest, you know, sometimes it can look when this election is over based on what they ve done. i would have every right to go after them and it s easy because it s joe biden, but very terrible thing. it s a terrible precedent for our country does that mean the next president does it to them? that s really the question so in terms of if he is president using the levers of the justice department, the fbi, to go after political opponents in a second term. how would that how would he go about that? i mean, how how feasible is that? well, i think it s entirely feasible. i mean, it s it s interesting to me that across those interviews, interviews with people who are like dr. phil and others who are trying to get him to walk away from those claims. he soft pedals it a little bit, but then you get down farther in front of the rally crowds and really hits at home it s it is absolutely clear, said it many times in front of many different people. he intends to take the levers of power if he is reelected and use them for his own personal retribution goals, which in and of itself is so unbelievably offensive should be to any american than any american president would purport to do such a thing. can he do it? sure, he can do it if he follows through with the plan that he s already laid out, this 2025 plan that they ve talked about. you ll replace those folks insignificant positions. the department of justice and the fbi and other lawn federal law enforcement entities with flunky who will do whatever he says. the first steps in this process of trumping up charges against people baselessly and throwing them in jail could actually happen. i think it gets tougher when those cases start to make their way through the courts 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and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the parameter you don t abandon your friends and family tough time in closing arguments, prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that no one is above the law. the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period, adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn t know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor, leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned her father s car to him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any the evidence of drugs, but why is reminded the jury hunter s former girlfriend, hallie biden, his brother, beau biden s widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it s time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician s trick, trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand pay no attention to the other one. he accused prosecutors of cherry picking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter s drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form lowell attack, two of hunter s former girlfriends who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018, he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter s car? and noted hunter was the one who told highly to file a police report for the missing gun after she threw it out hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will be back here at court tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. to continue their deliberations. it s impossible to say how long it will take them to reach a decision on these three counts? but i was important earlier today, and then we re also attentive as the judge explain the instructions page by page, line-by-line. these are of course, the rules that they need he to follow as they undertake this historic decision. anderson all right. thanks so much more now and how prison biden s handling the weight for the verdict and the biden family presence throughout the trial, including the first lady who went back and forth during the french visit to be in court with her stepson. cnn s mj leaves the white house for us tonight. what are things like in the white house as they await the jury? well, you know, the trial of the president s son has been an extraordinarily sensitive issue for this white house the president, and it is not a coincidence that the president himself has barely commented on the ongoing trial. we heard him, of course, make a statement at the beginning king of the trial thing that he loves his son and that he is proud of him for showing resilience as he has fought addiction issues. and then the other rare exception, of course, was recent abc interview where the president was asked whether he would pardon his son whether he would rule that out actually, and his answer, a one word answer was simply yes. he would rule that out. the president anderson has been really clear that he is going to accept the outcome of the trial no matter what happens. and that he s just not going to comment on his son s case as the jury is deliberating that, of course, is in line with the president s sort of broader view that you just don t comment on a trial file or a legal proceeding when it is still making its way through the legal system and i should just note that that is an important area where the president had sought to draw a contrast between himself and the former president, whom he has accused of trying to put his thumb on the legal system on an influence in a political way other areas and other issues at the former president has dealt with this. of course, the president has made clear he sees as being wholly inappropriate mj lee. thanks. much at the white house tonight, joining us now cnn legal analyst norm eisen and jennifer rodgers, also former federal judge. sure. shen lin norm what do you make of closing arguments? do you think he s gonna get convicted? i thought both sides did an able job in closing arguments. the prosecution hammering the evidence that hunter biden was using or addicted to drugs before and after this key october 12 two 23rd period. they don t have actual evidence throughout the day, but they have yes. and the judge in directed that you don t have to prove the de you have to show that hunter biden was actually engaged in using or was an addict around that time and they have him checking into rehab before and after the various witnesses. but anderson abbe lowell is a very capable defense lawyer and he leaned into that critical gap. and the state of mind question this has to be knowing. that means it hunter biden had to say on purpose, not by mistake i m not an addict. i m not a user. and lowell argues well, he thought he was not an addict at that time, and there s no proof he was using prosecution ahead on points not impossible. you get a defense verdict or a hung jury what, do you think? yeah, i agree. i mean, i think they ll probably get a conviction here. there s a very narrow path for the defense to win this. they really do have to lean into this knowingly and they can t prove it on these days, but prosecutors always say follow your common sense, right? like the guy has been in rehab, people around that time, there s these text messages it s about dealing and the hallie biden testimony about paraphernalia in the car. and so use your common sense, was that argument does that make sense to you that well, i didn t think i was an addict on that day and therefore, i signed this document, say i m not an addict. i think it s the only argument that the defense has a question is, can the jury accepted and i think contrary my fellows here, i friends here. maybe maybe some jury juror or more jurors who are sympathetic to what he s gone through and may have experienced something like that sometime in their life i m going to cut him a little slack and say well, on that day, maybe you didn t use so that takes care of the use. and as far as being an attic well, maybe that day he thought he d come out of it and was no longer an attic because he was doing better even if felt if he fell off two days later so they might have a basis to draw that distinction if they want to, in your experience on the bench, i mean, is it tough for juries to see past this is the son of the president or someone to be famous very tough, very tough. and the family is a cut one way or the other. i mean, just think, well, i think it could cut in his favor the families there. it s a high-profile family. somebody might indeed think that he s going through this because of that. and again, as we all know, it only takes one to cause a hung jury. so i m not as confident as my colleagues that there s gonna be a conviction here, but i wouldn t put my money on a non conviction either. you know, the prosecution is aware of this risk because the first thing the prosecutor said in closing was all those people sitting behind the defendant are not evidenced that s pretty unusual in my experience. that i actually has a little aggressive veto i mean, here are these people there to support him. lots of people on the jurors, the jury have had addiction in their families. and here s his loving family there to support them and they re going to point out of and be like don t pay attention to those people. i thought it was a little overly aggressive action, if anything, it could hide why it could have been it can boomerang because they re going to look over it when he said that, look right over at those three rows think about parents and sisters and children and all the rest of it. they could just override this if they want to know and there s also some breaking news in trump s classified documents. kids, judge aileen cannon denied the defense s effort to dismiss the indictment, but she also struck a paragraph from jack smith s indictment anderson this was a motion that the defendants had brought attacking this indictment every which way from sunday. they lost almost everything. and the question we should ask is, why did judge cannon for these relatively easy unexceptional challenges takes so long dragging it out. she didn t give one gimme to the defense it s one paragraph, paragraph 36. it has to do with what happened at bedminster that conversation about of the iran documents it s there as to give notice that the prosecution is going to introduce prior bad acts, but striking it was virtually or enough, judge and judge. judge, what what s going on? in my mind, i was pleased that she got this done so fast from may 22 to june content for her is practically speedy, so i was impressed that she didn t sit on this. obvious motion for very long. i have to tell you that motion is made in every case and it s never granted duplicitous snus multiplicities never works but they make it to preserve the record. nobody expects to win those motions. you do it to preserve so it didn t take her all that long to get this one done. i mean, given the history of other things, she has been delaying on our us surprised by the length. this thing is dragging out of in general in all the motions. but this motion was relatively fast. that s a good sign. maybe she s hearing us talking about her and she s getting her work done. who knows, but this i thought was relatively fast. and as far as that foro for be the similar act it is very clear that she that she is saying, but at trial, there may be a basis to offer this evidence, justice, and belong in the indictment. get it doesn t relate directly to the charge. jennifer, does this impact the the chance of this thing moving forward faster? i mean, the problem is we have so many outstanding motions that are complicated, time-consuming problematic seep emotions, the classified information, protection actin, and so on. it s just we re not moving forward in a way that it s good for going to trial. there s just so much should have saved those pages and all those words to resolve the other leg motions that she has on her show, she s trying to get one offer per desk. that s good. gentlemen. thank you. jennifer rodgers, norm eisen, thanks so much. i ve next new video that dramatic rescue 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forces, but they unleashed heavy gunfire searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a daring data i m rate that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7 and held captive ever since. it wasn t operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held in apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza. on the way out from gaza. all four this is rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post, that is one of the hostages, noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the muscle helminths struck. then he quote immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health, some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing, eye eyewitnesses told cnn there were also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued, at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation, and hundreds injured. that s according to the gazan authorities who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under 100. i want to say thank you. thank god in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. i haven t stopped smiling since my mug was returning to me now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some theories at this rate, could be a setback it s a legitimate question. i it s hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we know exactly what it is that they re going to do. as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn t sure what hamas will do. i can put myself, none of us can put ourselves so the minds of hamas or its leaders. so we don t know what the answer will be. but wall in egypt, blinken also said that his egyptian counterpart had been in touch with hamas quite recently. i can t go into the details of our conversations today except to say that are different counterparts were in communication with hamas as early as recently as a few hours ago. now, during his meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu today secretary of state antony blinken reiterated that the united states and other world leaders standby that comprehensive proposal that president biden laid out ten days ago, and they say that israel has put on on the table for hamas to accept. but so long as this period of uncertainty is extended, as us and other countries are waiting for hamas to respond to that proposal, the united states is concerned about the possibility of netanyahu changing his mind and deciding to reject that proposal, even 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debates, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max ahead of what could be an intense congressional hearing tomorrow involving testimony from the command into the us coast guard academy official there has resigned and spoken exclusively with cnn about what she says was her unwitting role in a decade hades long cover-up of sexual assault allegations at the academy. one, so per say, persuade excuse me, pervasive. it prompted a detailed report that was eventually kept confidential, even from congress. tells cnn reported it s disturbing findings last year. this former official tells cnn she believes top officials used her to convince victims not not to tell their stories to members of congress. it says she has proof sunless are potty has the exclusive interview they put me in a terrible position. how dare they do this to me. but he had me standing up in front of cadets for 11 years talking about honor, respect, devotion to duty where is there where s the respect to any of us? i m disgusted. shannon norenberg spent more than a decade as the sexual assault response coordinator at the coast guard academy, it felt like an honor to be there and help them with this thing that is so hard and awful difficult and awkward and the coast guard did tell me they were taking it seriously. i felt like they meant it until she says she recently discovered leaders had used her to lie to victims, making her an unwitting accomplice to a massive cover up up decades of sexual assaults at the coast guard academy. i have no idea that what i was telling those victims was not true. it started several years ago when norenberg was asked to take part in informing victims about a sensitive investigation code named operation fouled anchor. coast guard leaders had discovered that dozens of cases of rape and abuse from the 1980s to the mid 2000s have been ignored and covered up the attackers usually left unpunished. i got a phone call from someone at headquarters saying, hey, we want you to help out. they told me at that time that all of those investigations had already been done and that at this point, we were going to call everybody up and offer them an in-person meeting so that we could say we regretful all the things that actually sounded amazing. i took these to every single meeting. the coast guard gave norenberg talking points to go over with the former cadet s who had been sexually assaulted. an apology tour where they were assured their cases were supposedly being handled properly after all these years, members of congress and staff and dhs have been briefed on the general outline of the investigation, what was found, and what disposition decisions were made. we assured them the hey we re handling this. we ve got this. we re taking this seriously. thanks for coming forward but it turns out actually the coast guard hadn t told congress, norenberg didn t know it, but the investigation was quietly closed. so the decades of assault were kept hidden from congress and the public until a cnn investigation revealed at all last summer, victims were never given any recourse. i trusted the coast guard implicitly and i assume that the talking point document they handed me was true i would never have considered that might be ally. the cnn reports about operation fouled anchor have led to multiple federal investigations congressional hearings in an apology from the head of the coast guard, we fail to provide the safe environment that every member of the coast guard deserves. norenberg says, after seeing cnn s report, she feared she had been used in the cover-up. she found the talking points in her files recently, which confirmed it and started to read it. and i was like, that s not actually that s not what happened. they lied to me they lied to us. they had me lie. oh, my god. they had me lie to them. and actually that s when i lost it because at first i was like, wow, that s crazy. the light and then i was like, wait they used me to. lie wow they planned it as far back as 2018, not to tell anyone about this. protect the precious institution. they be trade, the victims of fouled anchor over and over and over. this is my boot camp photo norenberg says she was raped by a supervisor when she was an army recruit in 1988 and says she knows how it feels to be told there s nothing that can be done she is resigning and going public about what happened. the public needs to know this is happening. people sign up to serve their country, and this is how they re treated like trash. it s not okay. in response to a cnn request for comment, the coast guard says the talking points were created months before the meetings with the cadets. and we re not updated and then another former a coast guard official who was present at the meeting said, no victim was informed that congressional notifications occurred. i want to tell the victims of fouled anchor how sorry, i am to be a part of this terrible scheme. but let me try to make it right now. and i m so sorry. i m so sorry sometimes diprotic joins us now, what can you tell us about this hearing tomorrow? yeah. anderson, the head of the coast guard admiral live. linda fagan, should we testifying before the senate intelligence committee tomorrow? so be talking about the change hinges that she promised to make in the wake of cnn s previous reporting. and she has repeatedly said that she wants to learn from the past. she wants to move forward, but shannon norenberg s account here certainly adds the whole string of controversies showing that this sexual misconduct remains pervasive across the coast garden and definitely under gore s, that this is far bigger issue than she has publicly acknowledged. and we certainly expect that she will get some questions about norenberg s accounting of all this tomorrow as well. for friday. thank you so much. next to independent presidential candidate, robert f. kennedy jr. are the latest on his effort to get on more state ballots. also, a fresh lucky 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the anti-vaccine group, children s health defense the 62-year-old typically votes for republicans, but he s attracted to kennedys anti-establishment message, ending the form was the financial corrupt sure within government agencies and the fact that we can t trust our government agencies to do their jobs because they ve been hijacked by corporate interests. you don t think are government agencies can be trusted know why? because they re bought and paid for. i found a video rfk jr. on youtube. recent college grad katie zimmerman voted for president joe biden in 2020. but now she spends her saturday mornings tabling at farmers markets like this one in wahba, tulsa for the kennedy campaign he s coming to all voters and saying that if you vote for me, like you ll be able to afford to buy a house. first is i haven t necessarily heard biden say things like that, that appeal to me. if ultimately trump gets reelected how would you feel about that? i would feel really great about that if he was elected into office. but i i wouldn t necessarily feel any guilt because i was able to have a choice and who i wanted to vote for dog denticola is a long time democrat who never thought he would find himself lobbying trump s supporters. just switched to kennedy. what do you think this guy s go to 24. go watch reasoning you haven t even given him a chance because he doesn t ever which answer anyway, is it hard to convince trump s supporters to vote for kennedy? yeah, i actually just appreciate that he was willing to stop and talk to me, fed up with political polarization, denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn t worried about him taking votes from biden or trump a person like bobby kennedy, who is really a message of unity, a message for all people i think that s why he s going to actually pull a lot of voters from both sides back on deal s farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. if we don t make some changes, if find somebody who has creative solutions and had somebody we can trust, who wants to bring us together? we re gonna be in a world of hurt if it does rfk junior seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in
weeks. the israelis want a campaign. with lebanon even with yemen, we have seen the increased tensions. deploying troops and naval forces. none of that will stop until there is a cease-fire in gaza. s almost there is a line drawn, diplomacy on any of these friends continue. the biden administration s credit has been cleared. they don t want to see a war but it is not up to them as we have seen with the israelis on the hostage cease-fire deal as well. so i think the risk is extremely high. and lebanon is the war of another magnitude. thank you so much. . there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with the probation officer today, which i guess is the sort of thing we just have to get use to seeing these days. we will talk about what may have come up during the meeting and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh schapiro was going to join me to talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats be talking about trump s conviction and how much? we will start with the supreme court. in a mountain of ethics scandals that just got bigger, and just get bigger because of a woman named lauren winsor. in case you don t know who she is, she is a progressive activist known to approach her public and figures and pretend she is an ally, statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments recorded by lauren winsor at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner earlier this month, the supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it is a matter of, like, winning. i think your probably right. on one side of the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. so it s not like you can split the difference. one side or the other is going to win. now heard in a vacuum by someone, those comments may not seem particularly striking. but remember samuel alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. the highest court in our country. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting our constitution and adjudicating the laws. and one of the justices, samuel alito, you just heard him, as telling a stranger at a crowded event, that he believes that one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromised. and for anyone who has followed samuel alito s time on the court, there is no secret to what side the justice firm and thinks he is on. look at the past few weeks. he has refused to recuse himself from a generous six case in the trump immunity case sitting before the court currently. even after reports that his homes displayed flights with right wing political symbolism including an upside down american flag in the days after january 6th. samuel alito, who built a reputation over the course of years, has been tough on crime and generally unser but that it to criminal defendants and also has a newfound empathy for generally six defendants of all people and donald trump. during or go arguments in two cases. take for example, the case of a january 6th defendant. sim allele used costumes the justice department to question people in the capital attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could seek to use it against people involved in these will demonstrations like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. but the protest is clearly not at all same as people are smashing windows and doors to invade the capital and causing members of congress and the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals, we have been talking about involving undisclosed gifts from her publican mega- donors to members of the supreme court, samuel alito has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal late last year that the quote no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period. look, fairness and impartiality in both appearance and action are the principles judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land. and at least at some point, samuel alito knew that. take a listen to an answer from his confirmation hearing back in 2006. to believe there is any room for a judge s own value or personal beliefs when he or she interprets the constitution? judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution. and for that matter, into the interpretation of statutes. that is not the job we are given. that is not the authority we are given. that is not the authority we are given. it is not the job we are given. alito knows or at least knew then what his job entailed. and despite all the actions and statements, he also apparently can t stand those who claim he is not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. but saying or implying that the court is becoming an illegitimate institution or questioning our integrity cross is an important line. see, justice alito wants to be revered as an impartial judge. just call balls and strikes as they are supposed to. but as this new tape and his time on the bench have shown, especially over the last several weeks and months, he is actually more of a player, actively engaged in one side s struggle to win. so is giving us every reason to expect this from him, given all the actions. it also doesn t mean it is something we should or need to accept. this is the former president of the naacp legal defense fund and joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking. but as i listen to these tapes today, i wanted to know, what is share anable thinking. we talk to a becoming two things. how big of a deal is this? i think it s a big deal. i think it s a big deal in the cumulative sense and as you point out in your opening, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air that is surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen all these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision. we heard him in very similar ways. what is it that is disturbing about this particular excerpt of the conversation? i think there are two things. one, i think is the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who he did know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it is when she said that we have to work to move this country back toward godliness. and he said, i agree with you. to me, that is just a very shocking statement. i don t think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest that he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and that we need to return to some period in which things were more moral pick and he was agreeing with her. i don t know what period they were referring to. were they referring to a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk about keeping black people out of schools? what was the time period? i think the reason this is important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard. and justice alito refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. said it is because a reasonable person, knowing all the facts of that is what he said about the flight controversy. but when we probe, we realize we don t know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily that accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave us a timeline that is not up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice was not impartial and that is the standard for recusal. but we will never get there unless parties actually file motions to recuse and that is i am hoping that this will show the united states, which is the party and the trump privilege case and others, that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal practice and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices we are not going to get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they won t do it. we need to get really serious. and of course we need hearing from the senate judiciary committee so we can get to the bottom of this. it is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming. and it is not a legitimate question the legitimacy of the court we have had this barrage of across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. one of the things that was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. what he blames it on. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today. he said this in 2023. and then talk to you about it on the other side. it is easy to blame the media. but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. it is pretty rich, given his actions in his own words. it is not the first time he blame somebody else. his wife. everyone attacking him. what is that about? you were talking about accountability. people watching, what should they be doing if they are just outraged about this as well? i find this just really mortifying. and embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas as well when he talks about the nastiness in washington d.c. and we hear it with alito. it is the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, it is the supreme court that eroded trust in the supreme court. in this kind of teenage refusal to take responsibility for their own actions is really incredibly alarming and disturbing and i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running in institution and something extraordinary happens and like what happened in the dobbs case, which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, and a decision was leaked out to the public, i wouldn t just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what i created or what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect. to look at themselves. why do you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? we know they are appropriate because he is making them now that he has been found out. this has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. in fact, the media has often been quite kind to the supreme court including around this flag issue which we had not heard about until three years late. it is not the media. these justices have to grow up and stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their own actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in here and when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much more weak than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. so we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court appeared to be honest with you, i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules that they have to follow. and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court and they should do so. we cannot blame this just on the justices. we can t blame it on trump. we can t blame it on anything else but our believes that norms were enough. they are not enough as we are learning across the united states government and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of our nation s highest court. a lot of homework, including for chief justice roberts. thank you as always for joining me this evening. really appreciate it. coming up, governor josh shapiro joins me live to talk about donald trump s promises of revenge. first, the nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it could affect his sentencing. christie greenberg is a former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me in 60 seconds. seconds. let s get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. today, donald trump met with the probation officer had of his sentencing for his 34 felony convictions in new york city. and the biden campaign cochair reminded me yesterday that this is one of those times where we need to pause and reflect on the extraordinary moment we are in. can we just stop on that fact. i will talk about the debate and a second. a guy that wants to be president of the united states first test to go sit down with his probation officer. that is just an astounding statement that sometimes people walk by. i don t think most americans are going to walk by that. he is completely right. we cannot just breeze by this stuff. trump s probation interview today happened virtually from mar-a-lago which is not typical. these meetings typically happen in person. but he is not a typical person who was just convicted either. but the interview itself is standard procedure for anyone convicted of a felony in new york. and one standard question trump may have been asked is whether he associates with criminals. you know, other convicted felons like steve bannon and oliver stone and his other buddies. we should not forget how extraordinary this moment is. kristi greenberg is the former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me now. thank you so much. you tweeted today. i will start there. that trump would try to convince the probation officer not to recommend a jail sentence. but you said probation should reject the argument. how does that conversation exactly go down during one of these meetings? i think what you probably saw this was just 30 minutes. a short interview. you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to try to highlight positive aspects of donald trump s character that they think or mitigating circumstances and things that they think will show he is amenable to supervision. so they will say, look, this criminal conduct which he denies, there is no victim here. but they need to look closer. we are victims. the american people are victims, not getting information that he was paying off a pornography start to make sure she didn t share that could have affected the election outcome. other things i think he will focus on are, i was the former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and you should take that into account. but it is also aggravating in the circumstance because he committed some of this crime like signing the checks to reimburse michael cohen right in the oval office. you could argue that. and he will point to the fact that he is a first-time offender. you know who else is a first- time offender? michael cohen, and he got sentenced to jail for the same conduct. allen weisselberg is essentially the same old one year apart. a lot of the factors that i expect todd blanche tried to highlight today in his interview, really it is going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the fact that the trial record shows all the gag order violations and to show he is not following the court orders and he certainly won t follow the orders of probation. a lot of things to argue. i wanted to ask you, i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning during one of these probation meetings. whether or not the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who happen to fall into that category. i presume he is going to say no. i don t know what he said but what happens if he does associate with convicted criminals? are there repercussions? there are. there if he were sentenced to probation, there would be conditions to that probation term. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. and so, steve bannon for example, is somebody that was convicted for criminal contempt charge and it has a trial that will start in a few months before the judge on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, someone who he has not pardoned because he is pardoned a number of his other criminal associates, for someone he is not pardoned, i would think he would not be able to associate. these are people that like we are involved with his campaign and that he would want to associate with. so we figure he will try to do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. quite a time to be alive, kristi greenberg. thank you for explaining this to us. that is always helping us to understand. i appreciate it. donald trump is not going to be able to append democracy on his own. he will need help. and a lot of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff and who has chilling plans for a second term. later, governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about all the ways the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. we are back after a quick break. so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i m still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i m really, really happy with the results. it s still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow s feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. they say we should stop eating so much meat. as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. so we made meat out of plants. because we aren t quitters. impossible. we re solving the meat problem with more meat. i bought the team! kevin.? 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every d.a. starting investigations right now? when donald trump gets elected, should he lock them up? no question. should there be a list of democrats that go to jail? 100%. it is a terrible path they are leading us to. and it is very possible that it is going to have to happen to them. in that description, as you just heard, it is all about karma. it is an eye for an eye. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over again. and it is one that far too many headliners are running with. as a near public had, in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won t he? . it implies that he is bound to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there is a big difference between what happens to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anybody who he is mad at. despite with the former president and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it. all presented during a six-week trial. not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing but reshape the american justice system and make it a political tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were a major goal for the maga movement long before trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded of this this week in. the washington post published an incredibly eye popping piece on the influential figure in trump s orbit that you might not be familiar with. for what it is worth, i had never heard of him either. the former director of the office of management and budget. and his name is russ vote. according to the piece, he is a potential chief of staff for a second trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist to crafted parts of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch a trump presidency. then back in september of 2022, before trump got indicted or enter the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying that the left to drive america into a post- constitutional moment. saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to throw off precedents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last 200 years. and their place according to the post, he laid out plans for donald trump to deploy the military for civil unrest and use more control over the justice department and assert the power to hold congressional appropriations. that is just on trump s first day back in office. let s pause on that. is not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump s perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd that the department of justice is not an independent agency. and if anyone brings up in a policy meeting in the white house, i want them out of the meeting. here s the larger picture. outside of the week to week news cycle and the latest republican reactions, the republican line of fight fire with fire that you hear over and over again is really just cover. framing a plan to overhaul the justice system and executive branch at large. and by the way, this plan completely predates trump s convictions and indictments and what he had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro is standing by and join say next. we are back after a quick break. join cken, cr ies all wrapped up these wrapare amaz people can hear my thoughts? 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there is a trial and a jury finds someone innocent or guilty? or do we prefer a country where he president uses the justice department as his personal law firm? are we okay with the current system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws? or do we prefer a country where the president can just prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them? the election will be about a lot of things no question. but that is definitely one of them. joining me now is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. he was previously the state s attorney general. i m grateful you are here with me. i want to start with what i laid out in the earlier block. basically, this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing what they are telling supporters. simply fighting fire with fire. you are doing something with our guy and we are going to go back to you. but to me, when you look at the specifics of the plan, it feels like it is not exactly the right description. it is not just revenge but a plan in my view to reshape the system and go after their enemies. and last week, you said something that really struck me. you said i m scared to death if he is in charge with the system. is a strong statement. i want to see what you anticipate or expect. what worries you about what could happen to the system? i m deeply concerned by the system. it is why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge of the justice system or back in charge of the military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. kind of a cut and paste job, if you will. and a room with us well from my time as attorney general. he complains. he bemoans the fact that he lost and he makes up excuses and tries to pipit away from personal responsibility. remember, i was attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his cronies and allies took us to court 43 different times to try to stop certain people from voting and stop the votes from being cast. by the way, he went 0-43. we went 43-0 unprotected the rule of law and the will of the people. and now donald trump wants to come back. as he said, exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that that should scare all americans. it is another example of the kind of chaos he would inflict on the country if he was given the opportunity to lead this nation. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law and respects the institutions. donald trump has tried to undermine our faith in one another and our faith in the institutions. we didn t let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope and pray we won t let him get away with it in 2024. i will be doing everything in my political power here in pennsylvania to ensure he is not successful and the institutions stand and hold. let me ask you about something you just alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think people hear that and they think it is the reshuffling of the government and what does it actually mean? i talked about this influential figure apparently and trump residence world. and could end of being his chief of staff of for trump was reelected. who knows? this is a man who openly says he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i just want to ask you, what is the danger of that quick sometimes i think it feels like just bureaucracy in washington but it is much more than that. it is a lot more than bureaucracy. dangerous if he controls a bureaucracy as well. think about the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who didn t do anything wrong but are just his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with the products they are selling or the manner in which they are conducting themselves and to use the justice department to strip away people s liberties, rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts and essentially just have his way with good people of this nation. and it should scare the hell out of everybody. remember in 2016 ever donald trump won and then took office in 2017, he and most people around him did not know what the hell they were doing and there were still a few people around him that provided some guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people that might provide the guardrails are gone and a lot of the dangerous people around him know how the bureaucracy works. they know how the justice system works. they know how the military works. and if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again with those people around him, who want to do danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that is not the kind of chaos we want in this country. it is such an important point. it is the people that know how to manipulate and it is also the plans being written. a lot of the more online. keeping with the legal discussion here, i want to ask about the supreme court. at the top of the hour, we talked about the supreme court and specifically, justice samuel alito. and this audio come he agreed there should be a fight to return our country to a place of godliness. this comes after the reporting of a flag outside of his house that has been a symbol associated with january 6th and serious ethical scandals around justice thomas and a lot of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i just want to ask you, what is the solution here? remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away woman s right to choose. in order to make my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today then they were born with. so this is purposeful on donald trump residence part, to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people that have their own agendas. and justice alito, samuel alito, is showing his agenda by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. do you really want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito as opposed to the court or more clarence thomas is to the court. you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? remember that justice thomas wrote that abortion is just the beginning. the very fundamental reasoning or foundation or reasoning they used to overturn roe v wade could be applied in other ways. it could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love or undermine your ability to be able to go out and take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i really fear that this was just the beginning. and if donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again and put more of those kinds of justices on the court, it will not only set us back for four years but it will set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in the selection. and while donald trump and joe biden s names are on the ballot, this is a binary choice. and don t let anybody tell you anything else. there a bunch of randoms on the ballot that have no chance of winning. this is a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden. it is not about those two. it is the kind of country want for ourselves. it is whether we value freedom and care about our institutions and whether we believe we have to move forward to brighter days or whether we will go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and a reflection on all of us. and we have a responsibility to turn out and to get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we have seen on the supreme court and in the white house with donald trump and instead stand up for freedom and for fundamental values as americans and continue to move our country forward. before we let you go, i have to ask you about pennsylvania. you know the politics of your state. you know them extremely well. we have seen it. it has not been that long since the convictions. we have seen a little bit of impact in the polls. there are a lot of things that will be on the ballot and on voter mines. as you are talking to voters and knowing your state as you do, you think trump s conviction will be something that helps people to decide who are on the fence at this state? i don t know how that conviction will ultimately play out. i know the people of pennsylvania, they care a lot about four basic things. they want good schools. they want safe communities. they want economic opportunities. and they want their freedoms to be protected. i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who actually is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country and i think donald trump has to quit whining. quit trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than anyone before the in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than any other time in our nation s history. i have a message to donald trump and all of his negativity and whining, stop shit talking america. this is the greatest country on earth and it is time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. they understand we have a lot going for us. and we have time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. and not listen to the whining of the former president and instead, focus on a positive future for all of us. quit your whining. it is a good message. thank you so much governor schapiro. i always enjoy talking to you. i appreciate it. we will be right back after a quick b break. ack it himmune fight cancer in 2 different ways. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system to harm healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. these problems can be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have a cough; chest pain; shortness of breath; irregular heartbeat; diarrhea; constipation; severe stomach pain; severe nausea or vomiting; dizziness; fainting; eye problems; extreme tiredness; changes in appetite, thirst or urine; rash; itching; confusion; memory problems; muscle pain or weakness; joint pain; flushing; or fever. these are not all the possible side effects. problems can occur together and more often when opdivo is used with yervoy. tell your doctor about all medical conditions including immune or nervous system problems, if you ve had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, or received chest radiation. your search for 2 immunotherapies starts here. ask your doctor about opdivo plus yervoy. a chance to live longer. first, we did the impossible. then, you ate so many of the impossible that we completely ran out. and now. they re backk! the footlong cookie is back at subway! organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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or the whale will they just vote for biden instead? or do we know that by your conversations? in this particular group, five out of nine of them, trump voters, five of them were going to vote for biden. i think there are a lot of people that think, somebody that voted for donald trump twice, it seems like a long shot to get them to vote for biden. but i think it is important to understand that for a section of voters who kind of held their nose and voted for donald trump twice and then saw what happened on january 6th, saw donald trump s claims and lies about the election, they were already pretty that was sort of a red line for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from and i hear this a lot from a two time trump voters who were upset. saying, i m not going to leave it blank. it got them to a place where they said, this guy is totally unfit to be in the white house. i will vote for biden, not because i want to vote for biden and not because i want to vote for a democrat but because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection, especially with the swing voters or the right. for them, you are not building it pro joe biden coalition but an anti-trump coalition. and as donald trump gets back into people s consciousness which is a lot of what is happening with the conviction, people are remembering, yeah, i don t like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters were before, they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they don t like about trump. it is so interesting to watch the focus groups and listen to you talk about them. you know well and i know well that they are big moments in campaigns. we have also seen the campaign sharpening rhetoric around the convictions. and there is a difference between what the campaign says and what michael tyler is saying and what the candidates say. when you look at the debate coming up, is a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to the voters and to base voters. what is the right framing of language? the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. and you also don t get in a situation where you would just call him a convicted felon as many times as possible and try to win on points. the conviction is the critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus group say we should be telling about trump which is that he is in this for himself. is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy to help himself and his rich friends and to bring revenge to his enemies. it was that exact attitude, that me first attitude, that got him in this trouble to begin with. you have to take the conviction. this moment that actually caused people to brave out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention to this race and then use that to tell the more broad story. you can do that in a debate over and over again and do it in a disciplined, calm falls way that is not allowed trump to drag you down into the mud. that makes a huge amount of sense to me. i wanted to ask you a similar version of the story. there are a couple of audiences biden has to appeal to. of these people you talk to and focus groups, is there anything president biden could say about the convictions that would turn them off? is there anything that is a trigger for them about it? when it comes to the swing voters, it is not just what he says but how he says it. for them, they want to see that joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. because this is where trump kind of wins often times. he has big lunatic energy that make him seem just more vivacious or more aggressive. and sometimes when he listened to voters, they get into kind of a strong framing where they are like, trump is bad but strong and biden is okay but weak. biden has to show strength. i agree with dan. you can t just say conviction over and over again. but he does have to go on offense. in fact, the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show that he is ready to go. i think it is not just the name- calling of convicted felons but being able to say, this man is unfit and i m good to go. and you have to show that and not just tell it. state of the union energy. it is about the vibes i m hearing. i wanted to ask you about you encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should find it and subscribe to it. we will talk about it next time. thank you both for joining me. we will be right back after a quick break. don t go anywhere! dangerous ladders. gutter muck. yuck. no wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. good thing there s leaffilter. our patented filter technology keeps leaves and debris out of your gutters forever. guaranteed. call 833- leaffilter to get started. and get the permanent gutter solution that ends clogs for good. they took the time to answer all of our questions. they really put us at ease. end clogged gutters for good. call 833.leaf.filter, or visit leaffilter.com today. with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. fastsigns. make your statement. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you d like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga when we say it ll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways
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the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. i they were actually heading intoc year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, inf france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied n invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of hr normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way e there, they would stop and do something in oradour.g they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision.t that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children.or they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour.ed this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last livini survivor of that massacre.s i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find.ge the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battles that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered.ve they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis.p. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who. survived that massacre from t giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it.e he said it would be he inflammatory. w it would inflame the public to against the nazis who killed alf of those unarmed american p.o.w.s.na i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant r leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the real bad guys from world war ii, and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the zi thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre ha and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the e time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the e fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening.en and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons.ll number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today.t you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little on l circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of thio all together.ei episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen.e i have been working really hard on it.n i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other v times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted reallyr radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before.p and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now.no from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, ha particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american righth but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that th preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large an proportions of the vote in the h european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of old world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days ma for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets inz the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to providn even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with e president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as muc as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her.y 46 republicans voted for this thing.ca a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, wh has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s w mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say rr they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his t supporters who physically w attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new se podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in e britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend.y was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall o 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get?ut president biden clearly sees ouo connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the futureo of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections?za sure. these were elections for the european parliament. e so the european union wide parliament, so the only electiop that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany.rg in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in g this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold.ur i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of r 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise.a people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a wa question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenders of the status quo, but you have to tapt into people s dissatisfaction e with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. g i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, nots enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very t important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated.d ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama.t ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re le almost always one of the first people i think of.s thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the r we have much more ahead here tonight.e do stay with us. her uncle s unhappy. i m sensing an underlying issue. it s t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit. unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock.” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it s not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. so let s get down to the nitty-gritty here. georgia became this kind of bench mark for principled republicans refusing to go along with improper, un-american machinations from president trump. governor brian kemp, brad raffensperger, two very conservative republicans, both nevertheless stood up to personal pressure from trump to overturn president biden s win in georgia. and of course, all that pressure trump brought to bear on georgia republicans and the ways in which those republicans resisted, that formed the basis for fulton county district attorney fani willis filing a huge rico case against trump and 18 of his codefendants in georgia. that s one story of the state of georgia after the 2020 election. republicans standing up, the record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling, damning criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that pro-trump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes, no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is use every tool at their disposal to derail fani willis prosecution of trump. in the latest development in that three republican appointed judges have just put the whole case on hold while they take their time considering whether fani willis should be disqualified from the case. thus guaranteeing that the georgia prosecution will definitely not go forward against trump before the election. but that s only the start. in georgia s most populous county, fulton county, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a pro-trump think tank, she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile, just north of fulton county, republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now, the board there, like other counties in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans, but republicans in cherokee county are no longer okay with that. they wanted a full scale republican takeover, when that was blocked, they comp with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have ever heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta journal constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman, quote, assured the board that the new member is a democrat, even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he s definitely on your team. i know you have never met and i picked him, but trust me. pinky promise. meanwhile, at the state elections board in georgia, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections boards to conduct a, quote, reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now required to do by law, they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the journal constitution notes that, quote, the proposed rule doesn t say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah, why would you specify that? you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? what is happening to try to stop what is happening there? one of the reporters on that rolling stone piece joins us next. stay with us. stay with us are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com the ultimate authority is the voter. the secretary of state was re-elected by the voters of the state by a larger margin than any other excuse me. order. order. by a larger margin than any other state-wide office. the voters order. have demonstrated their faith and therefore i do not believe that at present, we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. georgia s board of elections gathered to discuss launching an investigation into georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who had the temerity to say no when donald trump demanded he flip the results of the 2020 election in georgia. the lone democrat on that elections board spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of raffensperger. as you heard, she was loudly shouted down. in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory, inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone reports this. quote, the former president and his supporters have been making concrete step by step progress in shaping electoral processes to his benefit. across the state, maga die hards are devoting considerable resources to purging voting rolls, intimidating election officials, employing legal dirty tricks, and ousting appointees who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. it s the state where the republican party has total control over the levers of power. over the last four years trump loving elements of the georgia republican party have wielded that advantage in a crusade to turn election conspiracy theories into policies. it s an alarmingly anti-democratic experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joining us now is adam ronsly, the reporter co bylined on that sprawling piece. thank you for being here. thanks for having me. so what are some of the steps that trump and his allies have taken to change the electoral process in georgia? so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. thanks for doing this work. would love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. stay with us i m gina. i want to talk to you about golo and how it has changed my life and how it can change yours too. like many of you i ve been dieting and failing half my life. and each time i would diet i would quit and my weight and health would get much worse. i had to do something. i saw a golo commercial, i talked to my doctors, and i ordered. like me, the golo success stories are real. give golo a shot. you won t be sorry. could have been the heat, i suppose. temperatures were over 100 degrees at his outdoor campaign rally in las vegas yesterday. so hot, six people had to go to the hospital, and another two dozen had to get medical treatment on site. could have been the heat, i suppose. could also maybe have been that he was nervous about the fact that he was less than 24 hours away from his first meeting with his new york state probation officer. that meeting could be particularly nerve-racking for him because, you know, one of the things a probation officer asks you after you re convicted of felonies is if you have been associating with anyone who has a criminal record. that s worth noting because if he is ultimately sentenced to probation next month while he s on probation, he would not be allowed to associate with anyone with a criminal record. for a lot of people, that wouldn t be a big deal. for him, that s a big deal. that particular restriction eats away at his very close social circle. so maybe that was all distracting him. i don t know. he maybe had a lot i don t know. whatever the reason, he decided to venture into new territory in his campaign speech yesterday, less than five months out from the election. this is an important swing state. he decided with the land locked citizens of las vegas needed to hear about from him in order to be persuaded to vote for him was his fear of boats. heavy boats, boats with batteries near sharks. you know, nevada sharks. i know you have heard it happened. you may have seen a headline or scrolled past it on a social media feed. have you actually watched it? uncut, straight through, watched it unfold? it is very much worth watching. it s astonishing. my favorite part is the people you can see at the rally behind him who are really trying to follow along but who clearly have no earthly idea what uncle ramble standers is on about. just watch this. what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? and you re in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there s a shark that s approximately ten yards over there? by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. did you notice that? i watched some guys justifying it today. well, they weren t really that angry. they bit off the young lady s leg because of the fact that they were they were not hungry but they misunderstood who she was. these people are crazy. he said there s no problem with sharks. they just didn t really understand a young woman swimming. really got decimated and a lot of other people. i said so there s a shark ten yards away from the boat. ten yards. or here. do i get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do i jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted because he didn t know the answer. he said, nobody has ever asked me that question. i said i think it s a good question. i think there s a lot of electric current coming through the water, but what i would do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, i would take electrocution every single time. i m not getting near the shark. so we re going to end that. we re going to end it for boats. we re going to end that, we re going to end it for boats. we re going to end it for boats. vote accordingly. vote accordingly a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! all right, that s going to do it for us tonight. i told you tonight was going to be a show and a half. way too early with jonathan lemire is up next. donald trump has completed his presentencing interview with a new york probation officer after being convicted in his criminal hush money trial. what sources are saying about what happened during that private proceeding. plus authorities release a new mug shot of rudy giuliani as