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The latest news from around the world with hosts John Berman and Poppy Harlow. meaning, is he going to say okay if they don t come to an agreement on an interview? i ll just write a report without it. is he going to launch a subpoena fight, which will take months and months and months. and go to the supreme court. exactly. and it s risky for robert mueller to do that. because he might not win. and it just really depends on what he has and what he thinks he needs to ask the president. so it s so unknown that the trump legal team is and particularly on the political side of it, they re doing what they have to do. and guiliani, along with the president, and jay sekulow, to a lesser extent, they have realized that what they have control over right now is the court of public opinion. sure. and so they re going to continue to push that. and they also realize, especially guiliani, when i talked to him about this particular issue, that the democrats are really, really energized. and republicans are more cocomp. and that s been obvious in all the special elections. and they think, well, maybe if there is a threat of impeachment of the president, that could get republicans energized. which is what devin nunes was trying to do at that fund-raiser where we have the audio. i ll play that in a moment. first i want to get your reaction from the fox news sound last night. rudy guiliani went on for this interview on fox last night, and then he made an argument that there would be a violation of doj rules by mueller if he doesn t wrap it up. let s listen to what he said. well, i think if it isn t over by september, then we have a very, very serious violation of the justice department rules. the reality is, the real story here is not that this case isn t going to fizzle, it s going to blow up on them. the real question is what we were talking about before. there s a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet. a lot more to the obstruction of justice, to the collusion, to the fake dossier. okay. there are two questions about what answer. let me ask you the first. and that is, a 60-day rule? so what he s talking about is not a hard and fast rule. it s a custom and tradition. and what the custom and tradition is inside the justice department is to avoid taking explicit public investigative steps, or returning indictments against a candidate for office within 60 days of an election. now, the president of the united states is obviously not up for re-election. however i mean, it s a unique situation. he effectively is on the ballot. and comey did it. and comey did it when hillary clinton really was on the ballot. yeah. and that was and that s a big part of the criticism of comey for doing that. he broke that custom. so this is what why guiliani is making the argument. and that s why when we talk about this dragging into the mid terms, it s it s a question of whether or not mueller is going to continue his investigation, but assuming he will follow these guidelines, but do it quietly. not do anything meaning, not say i m going to interview the president between labor day and election day or return indictments in that window. he could continue to work, and then pick it up in a public way after the election. i mean, it s pretty clear that rudy guiliani is capitalizing on mueller s silence here. mueller hasn t said nor will he say anything publicly about this. he s not giving any interviews, et cetera. and when you heard guiliani at the end of that sound bite say there is a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet, do you know what he s talking about? no. no. i mean, i assume it s just the same trying to paint the mueller investigation, the mueller team, as partisan, as the witch hunt, is the term they like to use. beyond that, i don t know that we have any specifics. but it is noteworthy that guiliani continues to really throw as much out there as he can. and he s pretty obvious about it. it s not like a big mystery what their strategy is to try to stir things up. use as bold language as they possibly can. in a very donald trump way. because for donald trump, in various venues, it s been successful. it works. dana, stay with me. and manu is with us, as well. let s all talk about what i mentioned with devin nunes, the republican congressman of california, huge strump support trump supporter, he gave this very expensive private fund-raiser ask, someone was in there recording. he was talking about the mueller probe and the importance he sees for republicans to, of course, he argues, stay in the majority in november because of the mueller probe. here s what he said. so therein lies so it s like your classic catch-22 situation, where we re at a this it puts us in a tough spot. recessions won t cover we re the only one. which is really the danger. that s why thank you for saying that, by the way. i mean, we have to keep all these. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. manu, why is that significant? well, this is the first time we are hearing devin nunes say so bluntly that the house republican majority is necessary to help the president, protect the president, from robert mueller. that is a pretty stark assessment from the house intelligence committee s chairman, who has been accused for months and months and months by democrats for doing exactly that. using his committee perch to try to protect the president from the mueller investigation. you ll recall, poppy, last year he came under enormous controversy when he went to the white house to greet the president about something he thought was improper. he later was forced to step aside from that investigation. the democrats try to push for a number of witnesses and subpoenas. nunes continually squashed those efforts, and he tried to move forward with his own investigation that is now moving at a rapid pace to look after what the justice department and how the if fbi conducted the russia probe, all to paint the picture this was a very nefarious act taking place by the fbi and launching the investigation in the first place. now we are hearing, perhaps his real motivation behind this, he believes it s necessary to protect the president from the mueller investigation. so it s a pretty remarkable assessment. and also standing beside a republican leader, cathy mcmorris-rogers, someone who has been on this very issue, pretty remarkable to hear him say that. who struggled a lot on tuesday. she particularly. dana. can i just add to echo what david was saying around here internally this morning. it s not his job to protect the president. it s actually constitutionally the job of congress to check the executive branch. The latest news from around the world with hosts John Berman and Poppy Harlow. leader. the washington leader in their party. and so that separating themselves of the leadership is a very important tool, democrats believe, on a national level to getting elected on a local level. and we re really seeing that across the board. if those democrats do get elected yeah. nancy pelosi could be in serious jeopardy. if they keep those promises. and this is someone, manu, who has raised so much money for the party. i mean, you can be very critical of her, but she is good at fund-raising. no question about it. that s one reason why a lot of democrats want to keep her. but to echo dana s point, she has a real math problem. if the democrats take the majority in the fall. if the democrats keep the majority, but let s say they have maybe 10 to 20-seat majority, she probably will not have the votes on the floor to become the speaker. so a huge problem for her, which is why a lot of pelosi critics say why not step aside now, take away that issue that republicans are seizing on in the campaign trail, because it s going to be very difficult to become speaker again, given all the opposition from the left flank of the party, poppy. dana bash, with the blonde hair, manu raju not blonde hair. great hair, too. he does have a good head of hair. gray hair. thank you both very much. still to come, paul manafort s trial back under way this morning. the prosecution is preparing to rest its case this week. the defense takes its last shot at the government s star witness, rick gates. also, new york congressman, chris collins, defiant after being indicted for securities fraud. we ll speak to one of his republican colleagues. also ahead, it has been nearly one year since the tragic events in charlottesville that killed this woman, heather heyer. we take a look at the lives lost and will also remember her speaking with one of her closest friends. as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. nothing smells greater than the great outdoors. especially when you re in accounts receivable. only one detergent can give you a sniff like this. try gain botanicals laundry detergent. one of the many irresistible scents from gain. whoooo. you rely on tripadvisor so you don t miss out on the perfect hotel. but did you know you can also use tripadvisor so you don t miss out on the best price? 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reporter: and i continue to press for answers, poppy. just got off the phone with a spokesperson from the government of puerto rico, and they are saying, look, this is not new information. and in a way, what they re saying makes a little bit of sense here. these numbers actually came out in june. what happened in june? well, we sued, and after we sued, the judge ordered the release of information from the registry of demographics in puerto rico that really highlights the stats when it comes to deaths after hurricane maria. but this was now made even more public in a report that they submitted last night to congress in which they continue to say that the official death toll remains at 64. but acknowledge that in the statistics, when you look at the number of deaths after hurricane maria, there is that increase of 1,427. but just now, when i was speaking to the government, they still continue to say, even though we re seeing this increase, we are not prepared to say that all of those were related to hurricane maria. so why is that? well, they commissioned a study back in late january, early february, from george washington university to look into the deaths, and the government has said publicly that until that study is complete, they don t plan to make any changes to the official death toll. despite our investigation that found the number could be nine times higher. despite harvard university s study that found it could be anywhere from 800 to 8,000 deaths related to hurricane maria. given the conditions that came after the hurricane, right? because those that happened right during the hurricane. and then there were all the deaths that came because of lack of power, because of lack of water, because of the condition of daily life after hurricane maria. so when do we expect this study commissioned by the puerto rican government to come out? i just talked to them on the phone, and they tell me they expect more information from that study this month. but once again, another acknowledgement from the government that the number, 64, is not correct. but they re not willing to change it just yet. and to be clear, layla, this number, 1,400 american citizens, that came out the day after you, cnn, filed this lawsuit to get answer? reporter: right. it actually came out the day the judge ruled in our favor. the day after the judge ruled in our favor, saying, listen, puerto rico, you have to release these numbers for public records so that we can get to the bottom of this. the next day was when the government put out this number that you re now seeing once again in the report are that went to congress last night as they asked for more funding for recovery efforts. you just wonder why it would have to take a judge ruling that way to get straight answers. layla, thank you. under indictment. this morning, new york republican congressman collins chris collins, out on bail, still on the ballot in november, vowing to fight and to beat insider trading charges. th. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. help stop the clock on further irreversible joint damage. talk to your rheumatologist. right here. right now. humira. oh! oh! ozempic®! 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well, you know, that s obviously up to chris and his family, to go through these difficult decisions that they re going to have to face. and these are serious allegations, and i recognize the seriousness of these allegations. and ultimately, that decision needs to rest with him and his family. so, you know, it was and it remains legal for a sitting u.s. member of congress to sit on the board of a publicly traded company, to profit from that position. that s what he was doing. and a lot of americans, myself included, are asking this morning, really? really? that can happen? do you think it should be legal? well, you know, as we look at our ethics laws, always open to additional reforms. and we did a great step in the stock act, which did a lot to curtail a lot of the abuses from before. open to the improvements going forward. but at the end of the day, you know, this is why there s processes in place. we have the house ethics committee looking at this issue, as well as others. and i ll tell you, that s where these investigations go. i hear you, but the house ethics committee said last november there was reason to believe there was action of concern here. i think it s really sort of a straight question, yes or no answer. should it be legal for a sitting member of congress to sit on the board of a publicly traded company and profit from that position? well, i oh i think that s a fair question. especially when you serve on the health committee that would oversee this stuff. you know, obviously, that s a fair question. and that type of conflict of interest, i don t think it is allowed under existing rules, though, to profit from your position as a member of congress. we ll take a look at that. but obviously, any type of conflict of interest, we need to do a better job in congress to send the message to the people that we re making sure that the integrity of the house is in place, and that no one is above the law. so should a sitting member of congress be able to sit on the board of a publicly traded company? i think there s a serious question there that needs to be answered. what s your answer? what s your answer? yes or no? i would agree with you. i would agree with you. that is an area of reform that needs to occur. so no. oh, no. that s not what i said. no, i think, yes. you know, having that type of conflict of interest is something right, right, right. i m saying i m saying, are you saying no, they should not allow a sitting member of congress should not be allowed to sit on the board of a publicly traded company? yeah, that makes some sense to me. okay. as reforms go forward. all right. let s move on. let s see what happens in congress on that. let s move on to the mid terms. i m sure you saw the piece, front page of the washington post this morning, and the headline is the gop debates the trump effect. so the main take-away here, and they quote a lot of republican strategists who look at what happened tuesday night and the close call still up in ohio. sam are saying it indicates the limits of how much president trump can help across the board in all of the districts, come the mid terms. long-time republican consultant, stevens writes, nothing bodes well, you look at the money spent in ohio, the focus put on it, and you have an early warning sign. it is time for republicans to counteract. the president said after the tuesday races, as long as i campaign or support house candidates within reason, they will win. who is right? i think it s ultimately up to the people. it s not about one action or the other. it s ultimately up to the people. and i think once we get our message about the economy and the 3.9% unemployment rate, lowest in decades, and people see an optimistic future ahead of them, i think we ll do just fine at the mid terms. but at the end day, you ve got to recognize there is energy on the other side of the aisle, and this is going to be a fight that is ultimately left to where it needs to be. the people in those districts that are voting. it s interesting that you say that. there is energy that is growing on the other side among the democrats. david wasserman, house analyst, said, what we saw this week reinforces our view that democrats are a substantial favorite to retake the house. we had democratic governor, jay inslee, of washington state, who chairs the democratic governor s association say, quote, trump has been a great doctor, stitching up our scars and healing us organically. his argument is that the president is helping bring together the democratic party. what do you think? i think, you know, obviously, there s a reason for the energy on the other side of the aisle. and if you look at history, when one party wins the white house, the other party doesn t do too well in those mid terms that follow. but where we stand today is i think we have to put the message of what we re representing and delivering for the american people before the american people. and i think at that if that occurs, and we get that debate, we ll be just fine going into this election. but you ve got to recognize the energy on the other side. congressman reed, do you think that republicans will maintain control of both chambers come november? i think we re in a good position to do that. but obviously, i recognize that that could be a different outcome, given the energy on the other side of the aisle. you know, listening to pundits look at what the pundits did in 2016. no one predicted the outcome on election night of 2016 of that president trump would be the president of the united states. so i don t give a lot of weight to pundits. i take it into consideration. but ultimately, it s up to the voters on november who is going to be in power, who is going to have the majority. and my hope is once we get through that, we start solving problems for the american people back home. all right. congressman tom reed, joining me from rochester this morning. nice to have you. thanks. thank you very much, poppy. still ahead, as we come up on the one-year anniversary, it s this weekend, of the deadly charlottesville protests, we remember her. we remember heather heyer, who was killed during the demonstrations, as well as two police officers. one of heather s closest friends will join me next. it s the ford summer sales event and now is the best time to buy. you ready for this, junior? 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[ applause ] it s a moment none of us will forget. alfred wilson is with me now, a close friend of heathers. thank you for being here. thank you for having me, poppy. you were so close to her. she was close to your three children, including your youngest. and, i mean, you went over to her apartment the day after she died and helped clean it out. and you re very close with her mother. i think my first question to you is, it s been a year. what do you want everyone to know and remember about her always? heather was a very kind young lady. she was a woman that cared about all. she always wanted to make sure that everyone was equally treated. she believed that everyone had a chance, or should have a chance in our society. and that s one of the things i want everyone to basically remember about her. you ve said that it was her, that it was heather heyer, a white woman, who alerted to you the silent racism that exists and is profound. and pro fundally hurtful and painful in this country still today. how did she do that for you? well, heather and i worked together probably about 40 to 50 hours a week. quite often, i would meet with various clients, and a lot of times individuals that we meet with would be introduced and say, oh, you re going to meet with alfred wilson. and some individuals didn t think alfred wilson was a black male. and when i would walk around the corner, i might stick my hand out to shake their hand. and i just oh i guess being around just hadn t noticed it before. but heather would point out and pick up on it very quickly, that individuals may not have stuck their hands out immediately to shake my hand, because was a black male. and she would point that out to me. she would say, alfred, how can you still reach tout to individuals who apparently don t appreciate what you bring to the table for them? i would frequently let her know it s my job to help them, regardless of what their feels may be about me. and she came to point out to me these injustices some would look down on me because i m a black male. you said four months after she was killed, you said, quote, i would say our society killed her. what do you mean? our society killed her in that the political climate that we ve actually voted and put ourselves in, made people feel like it s okay to speak up and say the things they re saying. the negative, hateful things they re saying now. our political climate over a year ago, we didn t have individuals being so bold or brass about the things they re doing. on a daily basis, i m the co funder of the heather heyer foundation and executive director. so i monitor the e-mails that come in, and on a daily basis, i m getting e-mails where individuals people like it s okay to sit there and say negative things about race or to sit there and say hateful things about, oh, they re glad that heather died. i don t understand how someone can be that bold. and the only reason they re that bold is because of our political climate at this point has made it seem like it s okay to say such things. well, the language that president trump used in the wake of the unite the right rally and the events of charlottesville was and will always be remembered as both sides. so if he were to address it this weekend, one year later, what would you like to hear? well, to be honest, it s kind of hard for me to still acknowledge that person that you re talking about is president. i still call him mr. trump or donald. from him, i would hope that he s opened his eyes, think about what he s saying. one of the things that susan always sits there and points out, you must think about what you re saying. but i would hope you would think about what he s saying and have some empathy about what s happening in our society. realizing that all black, brown people. all people of different religious, we all have a contribution to this country. if it wasn t for the tdiversity in our country, america wouldn t be the america it is. i ll end on this. i ve read something you said recently, that struck me, alfred. you said that heather would have been, in your words, kicking with joy from the soulful movement that has flowed from the tragedy that ended her life. yes. she would heather was a quiet person. she kept to herself. she wouldn t be the one that s out hire publicly speaking, constantly. but she would be the one standing up, making people aware about what s happening. so she would be very happy that we are still as a society having difficult conversations. and that s one of the things that she constantly had. she would have those different transformations, bring situations to the light. allow people or get people to try to understand what s happening. so i knew she would be very excited and very pleased to see that we are still having these kinds of conversations and that we re trying to make some kind of change. yeah. alfred, thank you for being here. i know this second going to be hard for you. we re taking about you and your kids through it all. thank you for sharing this with us. thank you for your time, as well. and thanks for having me. all right. again, we all remember heather heyer, the foundation set up in her name, the heather heyer foundation. i ll be right back overwhelming air fresheners can send you running. so try febreze one. with no aerosols and no heavy perfumes. so you can spray and stay. febreze one. get details on this state program. call or visit monitor their blood glucose every day. which means they have to stop. and stick their fingers. repeatedly. today, life-changing technology from abbott makes it possible to track glucose levels. without drawing a drop of blood, again and again. the most personal technology, is technology with the power to change your life. life. to the fullest. and accessoriesphones for your mobile phone. like this device to increase volume on your cell phone. - ( phone ringing ) - get details on this state program call or visit all right. so this morning a florida family wants answers. and they want answers from frontier airlines, after they say their two young children ended up spending a night in a hotel room with an employee from the airline. according to the reports, the children, 7 and 9 years old, were flying unaccompanied as minors from iowa to orlando when their plane was diverted to atlanta because of bad weather. let s go to our aviation and regulations correspondent, rene marsh, who joins me now. there are a lot of questions, right? was it protecting the kids to have them stay with an adult in a hotel room, or are they arguing there was something that happened to these kids in that hotel room? reporter: right. that is the big question. i mean, the parent, at least the father, is raising this concern that this airline employee spent the night with the children in the hotel. but it s unclear. is he insinuating that something happened during that time? and exactly what is upsetting him? i did speak with people within the industry who say that it appears the airline went above and beyond, making sure these minors were accompanied at all times. i ll tell you that the flight was from des moines, iowa, and supposed to go to orlando. it was diverted to atlanta, due to bad weather. now, the father of the children told our affiliates that he did not hear from the airline throughout the whole process. and the only way that he received any notification was from another unaccompanied minor who had a cell phone and let his son use the phone. the father also said that he was troubled that the airline employee drove in their personal vehicle and spent the night with the children in that hotel. now, the airline is pushing back. they re saying that they followed their policy to provide a hotel in this sort of situation for the unaccompanied minors and provide a chaperone at all times. they also say their records show that the children were in contact with their mother before being transported to the hotel,
field, where players are protesting racial injustice. the president tweeting about that. all happening as a former white house insider makes explosive, new claims about donald trump and the n word. we ll share details in a moment. all going down one day before the anniversary of the deadly white supremacist rally in charlottesville. a state of emergency already declared in virginia. racists planning to take their protests here to d.c. we re talking with two women personally impacted by this violence. if mother of heather hire, the woman killed in charlottesville, will join me, as well as charlotsha charlottesvil charlottesville s mayor. also, the manhattan madame testifying today. why the special counsel wants her and what she is telling our team this morning. you ll only see it and hear it here on msnbc. our team is set up and ready to go on this friday. we re going to start with president trump up add bedminster, putting himself in the middle of the culture wars again. Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. that the nfl is back, and so, too, is the president s crusade against these player protests. he was apparently reacting to what happened last night at the preseason game. a couple players taking a knee during the anthem. few others raised their fists. when the president tweets and says, they want eed to show the outrage at something most are unable to define, the players have been clear. they were not protesting the anthem. what they re demonstrating against, they say, is racial injustice and police shootings of unarmed black men. if you ask the question, why does the president keep ing to this issue? well, people close to him tell me, and i m sure you have this in your reporting, that he screscrew views this as a political winner. when things aren t relevant for the base, this is the president s view. it is one of the reasons he talks about immigration and, yes, about this issue of nfl protests. take a look at what he said in the past about this. wouldn t you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, get that son of a bitch off the field right now. out. he s fired. he s fired! you have to stand proudly for the national anthem. or you shouldn t be playing. you shouldn t be there. maybe you shouldn t be in the country. reporter: as you mentioned, omarosa is also out with this new book. he was the president s top african-american supporter. she cited three unnamed sources that the president used the n word. she said there are tapes to prove it. here s what the guardian writes. this is a realization that donald trump was a racist, a bigot. these are omarosa s words. his freesquent uses of the n word is part of the appalling black community. at the same time, she s trying to sell books. that s something to keep in mind at the end of the day. it bares noting on the george conway thing, he is the husband of kellyanne conway. who still works at the white house at a high level. yes. but george conway is not donald trump s top supporter. he is not on the same page at his wife. true. we look at his twitter feed and see the times he sub-tweetingly criticizes the administration. the fact he is defending them on this, i think, is significant. when it comes to the tweet from the president, i don t want to be a twitter narrater, we all know how to read twitter, but the president talked about the idea of the players being unable to define why they re protesting. seems questionable based on our reporter because when you talk to the nfl players, who are sending a message by, for example, kneeling or taking action during the national anthem, it is a clear articulation of what they want. they want to draw issues on racial justice. rapists, and things like that. he continued this approach during his black voter outreach, which was not effective, perhaps, obviously. the challenge with all of this, malcolm jenkins, so many players have written op-eds, given interviews, repeatedly tweeted why they re protesting. what hasn t happened is president trump clearly articulating that he understands why the protest is happening. you wonder if this is another example of projection that comes out of the white house when he doesn t understand. he says the person he is going against doesn t understand, trying to confuse his base. for the most part, they tend to be falling for it. i want to touch on a final thought as we look ahead to what will happen this weekend and these rallies and protests in washington and elsewhere after charlottesville, a year after that. i covered the president, obviously, a year ago, and so did you. it was the question of, can you bring together the country at a time when they so clearly people so clearly wanted to be brought together or felt like there needed to be a moment of june unity? lebron james, a black athlete who the president insulted his intelligence a week ago, talked about this. what i noticed the last few months, that he kind of used sport to kind of divide us, and that s something i can t relate to. sports have never divided people. it brings people together. the president has made clear that the politics of division, he sees it as a winning issue for him. there s been no desire expressed on his part to bring the country together, even in the immediate aftermath of charlottesville, as you say. is there anything you can point to that he is doing to help the african-american community? no. hbcus, for example? he s done a lot of photo-ops. if you talk to the presidents of the hbcus afterwards, they felt they were used for props. so far, he sees his base as buying into these culture wars. wanting to being in favor of his attacks on nfl players and other prominent african-americans. it is very difficult for anybody, other than omarosa, at least old omarosa, to get on board of the policies. thank you. eugene scott, thank you for coming in. we ll continue this conversation with the new mayor of charlottesville, who is on our show live in a couple minutes, along with the mother of heather hire. where we are now, a year after the incredibly important and pivotal day in this country. also up next, the special counsel setting its sights on the manhattan madame. a long-time friend of roger stone, how davis might be a key witness in robert mueller s investigation. we may be in the final hours of paul manafort s trial from the prosecution s perspective. why the judge in the case, in a rare move, said sorry to prosecutors. i don t keep track of regrets. what they re going to ask about. she says she didn t take over his scheduling, e-mails, secretaryise secreterial work until 2017, after the election. we re focusing on the buildup into the 2016 election. she s saying she wasn t working with him at this time. clearly, prosecutors are interested in what she might have to say. having been his secretary. what is roger stone saying about this this morning? he says he hasn t spoken to her about her testimony, on advice of his lawyer. he trusts she s going to testify honestly. he expresses his warm feelings towards her. he reminds me this morning, actually, she s extremely close friends to her. b godfather to her only son and loves the boy. he keeps hitting on that point. it also tells us, and is illuminating, how close their relationship is. there are a whole host of questions that the grand jury might ask her. anna, you ll be monitoring that and keeping up conversation with the principals. thanks, hallie. let me bring in a former federal prosecutor. cathy, thanks for joining the show. what does it mean to you that robert mueller s team is talking to kristin davis, this buddy of roger stone s? the important thing is he is talking to more than one person who is close to roger stone. there s been a flurry of activity in the last couple of weeks about a number of roger stone people that have been subpoenaed. i find it a little strange that she doesn t know what she s going to be asked about because she was interviewed last week. right. presumably, she had an attorney with her. presumably, her attorney has gotten her protection, immunity or a promise of no exposure or any kind of prosecution or harm from this. i would assume that from the questions she was asked, that she has a glimmer of what she s going to be asked about in front of the grand jury. it is the prosecutor who will be asking the questions. it is rare it happens but it is rare that the grand jury asks the questions when you re in a grand jury, especially a federal grand jury. it is interesting she is doing it so quickly. she was interviewed last week. one of the reasons a prosecutor brings someone back to a federal grand jury is to lock them into their testimony. to make sure they have them under oath so that down the road, they can t change their testimony, or to make sure they have them in the box. roger stone was on cnn talking about some of this, cathy, and i want to play you what he had to say. i m also mindful of any prosecutor s ability to squeeze underlings, to get them to compose testimony against a bigger fish. i have not been contacted by the special counsel s office. i ve made it abundantly clear that there s no circumstances under which i would testify against the president. i would not rule out cooperating if they think i can be helpful. shat situation notwithstanding, does roger stone have reason to be worried? the reason he hasn t been contacted might suggest he could be a target, or at least a very serious subject that s being looked at. generally, prosecutors work from the outside in. they go to people with less exposure or people they consider to be less in harm s way to give them immunity or to give them protection from being prosecuted, to go after the bigger fish. in this case, i think they may be thinking it is roger stone. the fact he is talking about, he realizes people can compose or be squeezed would suggest that he is well aware of the situation, that people may be saying things that he considers to put him in legal jeopardy. cathy fleming, thank you for comingperspective. we want to talk about the orr legal battle now over in virginia. prosecutors are expected to wrap up their case today against president trump s former campaign chair, paul manafort. big moment. we are staking out the courthouse. who is the government talking to, calling as the final witness, and what is happening today and next week? reporter: well, just as i left, they were still getting underway. they hadn t called a witness yet. there was a lot of discussion between the two sides right in front of the bench. we couldn t hear. that seems to possibly be a disagreement or something to figure out logistically today. we do know the government plans to call four witnesses, hallie, and those would be the final witnesses. two of those have gotten immunity, meaning they ve had actions until the past that could be criminally prosecuted, but they won t be because they re koob rating. that s dennis raico and james brennan, who worked at the federal savings bank, which is the bank that loaned manafort $16 million. it was run by a man who democrats in the house are looking into, who may have been promised a job as secretary of the army in exchange for that loan. we re expecting more details on that. i will say, hallie, today matters for the prosecution. how they end matters. going into this, how many witnesses a defense calls, whether or not they even call them, they want to leave this jury with an impression. the final witnesses really matter. there is a reason rick gates didn t come today at the end. he was a little more dangerous. he could have said something that would have upset some of the jurors. many jurors think he should be behind bars longer for what he did. they want to end with someone safe but memorable. makes sense why they re calling the people who are at the heart of the financial crimes, but also someone who they can rely on to give an accurate portrayal of the facts. julia in virginia watching it all. thank you. the judge, too, apologizing to prosecuting in aors in all of t we want to talk about how charlottesville is bracing for a solemn anniversary one year after the violent white supremacist rally left a woman dead and dozens hurt. heather heyer s mother is here to talk about how life has changed. here s what she said last year about her daughter s legacy. they tried to kill my child to shut her up. well, guess what? 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reporter: the judge was prepared and did turn an airport around over the deportation of a woman and her daughter. this was a woman who is a plaintiff, known as carman in the litigation, protesting and trying to seek relief from the changes about the rules of political asylum. her case would be one that would fall under the sexual violence/domestic violence part that would allow people to get protection and remain in the united states. the rules have changed. she was being deported. the judge said while in the midst of having a legal case to represent her interests, she was spirited away. he called that outrageous. the plane was returned to the united states, and carman and her daughter will continue in the united states as this case moves forward. this is all about what are the rules for political asylum? it is about the harder line the trump administration has taken. there are those who do not meet the requirements, who are being deported. in this instance, she was a part of active little gaigation. the court is looking for what is the rem edy and who can be accountable? the attorney general, the top law enforcement official in the country, to be threatened of contempt by the federal judge. that is the standoff happening case by case over the changes to immigration at a time when a woman and her daughter are at the center of this. we don t know where it goes next, except the case will proceed. the administration has held firm that they believe a narrowing of what qualifies as political assignment should be the way to go. hallie? kelly o donnell, thank you for that great reporting. appreciate it. it is not the only immigration story in the headlines this morning, by the way. laura ingraham from fox news, she s clarifying comments that got her in hot water earlier this week. here is what she said on her show wednesday night. some parts of the country, it does seem like the america that we know and love doesn t exist anymore. massive demographic changes have been foisted upon the american people, and there are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don t like. now, much of this is related to both illegal and, in some cases, legal immigration and, of course, progressives love. here is how she addressed the comments last night on her show. the purpose of last night s angle was to point out that the rule of law, meaning secure borders, is something that used to bind our country together. despite what some may be contending, i made explicitly clear that my commentary had nothing to do with race or ethnicity. all right. kimberly and aaron are back with me now. there are a bunch of advertisers who targeted lauren ingram in the boycott when the comments were first made. she went on the air last night and said what she said. this is somebody who i have seen at the white house consulting, talking with folks she knows there, as sometimes happens when you are in the orbit with donald trump. talk through a little bit of how we got here. one of the undertalked about story lines has been the mainstreaming of what people would call white anxiety. it is, of course, starlted durig the 2016 campaign, using coded language. steve bannon and the nationalist elements, the breitbarts of the world were pushing this for a long time. the president, trump, who had sympathies for this argument, certainly seized upon that. we ve seen it not just come from certain elements within the white house, but also kind of seep into conservative media. if you look at fox news primetime programming, you ll see a healthy dose of this, not just on her show but the other shows that bookend her. this is a large portion of the country that relies upon them for their news. i don t think her comments were shocking in the context, but the fact she said this and is saying, oh, i was talking about the rule of law. she wasn t talking about the rule of law. it was legal immigration. she had a message to white supremacists and white nationalists, saying you are anti to the beliefs i hold dear. you have reporting on republicans and the idea, right, that there is a sense they need to come out and denounce incredibly strongly people like the folks who are going to show up here in washington, the racists who will show up. this is something the president hasn t done. white supremacists and nationalists don t have a place in the republican party. denounce the protests or rallies that are happening in d.c. and across the country. this weekend, you d think you wouldn t have to tell folks to do that. the republicans i talked to want to do that. they fear in the long run, not doing so is basically signing a death certificate for their party. politically. politically. they have to be able to appeal to young people. they have to be able to appeal to people in urban and suburban districts who find this repellant and don t want to be a part of the party that looks like it is protecting or embracing white supremacist. until ten hours ago, i was in new jersey because the president is there, and so is melania trump, the first lady. her parents happen to be in the northeast, as well. becoming u.s. citizens. via a process that some critics call chain himigration. some critics including melania trump s husband. why is it okay for the in-laws but not everybody else? well, i guess because it is the law right now, is the argument the white house would make. it is the argument that the lawyer made. this appears to be the first time we ve actually seen it confirmed, that that was the process that was used here. there s been all kinds of questions about exactly what not just her parents immigration process was, but also hers. this is something that two years ago, she promised to address in a press conference, and we re still waiting two years later. we ll see. aaron and kimberly, thank you. coming up next, we want to keep this conversation going. heading back to charlottesville a year after the violent rally left one woman dead, dozens more hurt. we ll talk about how the city is preparing for this weekend. and the message from the mother of the woman who lost her life. she ll join me next. i held her. i found my tresiba® reason. now i m doing more to lower my a1c. i take tresiba® once a day. tresiba® controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction. 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i m trying to. i cannot hear you clearly. okay let s see if we can get through it. if it is bad, we ll stop and come back. let me start off talking about this. you ve just come into office. you were not in office last year. in the last year, since the rally, do you believe president trump has helped or hurt progress in your city? can you repeat that, please? we re going to have some technical issues here with the mayor. we ll come back tot m back to t when we figure that out. i want to continue the conversation with susan bro. her daughter, heather heyer, was killed during last year s protests. susan is joining us. thank you for coming on the show in what i am sure is an emotional day for you. thank you. i tend to block emotion when i m working, so it is my work ethic. understood. tell me about how you are remembering heather today. how are you remembering your daughter? i m trying to speak up for the issues, just what she would want done. not the focus on her, but the focus on the issues that still need to be resolved. you said last year, and i remember watching you speak at her memorial service, you said you were determined to make heather s life count. tell me more about how you ve done that in the last 365 days. well, i ve tried very hard to educate people about issues, about standing up, empowering themselves, accepting responsibility for their actions, stand up and be counted. that s been my original focus. since then, i went on the pilgrimage with black lives matter charlottesville. i ve adjusted the narrative more to include racial issues. draw the focus that way. that s what heather was here to support that day. yeah. you still live in charlottesville. you didn t leave after all of this happened. how has the town changed? i don t actually live in charlottesville. i live about half an hour north. got it. what have you seen in your community then, and in charlottesville, since this rally happened? well, in my community, i don t know. i m hardly there, except to sleep at night, buy a few groceries. sleep at night. in charlottesville, change in personnel. more people having difficult conversations, hopefully. hopefully that will continue. just trying to get to the bottom of things. i know mayor walker has made some valiant efforts to make some change. many a times, her efforts have been thwarted. she s working hard to that end. you ve said before, susan, that you ve had to hide your daughter s grave to protect it, to keep that location secret. is that something you still feel like you need to do? always. that s an agreement i had with the cemetery from day one. we don t want well-wishers trampling other people s graves. we don t want nazis trampling other people s graves. if i needed further confirmation, till s marker is constantly shot up. the remembrance markers have constantly been vandalized. you know, heather is nowhere in the same league as that. she was not assassinated. she was a random act of a hate crime. but, yeah, there s no point. we ve got this memorial where i m standing now for the public to handle it. you visit the memorial of heather. how do you plan to remember heather this weekend? obviously, coming out and speaking about the issues important to her is one way to do it. tell me more. going to bring flowers to put on the street at the time when she was killed. then i m going to keep continuing with the work as i see fit that, you know to move racial justice forward. justice for the lgbtq community. you know, i believe america is about give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to be free. that was the america i was brought up to believe in. those kinds of things are what heather s focus was. that s what she was standing here to support. when you talk about the work you do, susan, some of it, obviously, is political. i want to ask you about something that s happening in virginia, down there. the republican senate candidate, stewart, is known to embrace causes backed by white nationalists, use divisive rhetoric. the president congratulated him, saying he shouldn t be underestimated. curious about your reaction to that. my reaction is a non-reaction because i have the heather heyer foundation, a 501(c)(3). i m not allowed to have political opinions. can you talk about whether you think the president has helped or hurt progress in charlottesville? i personally couldn t say one way or the other. i can tell you what david duke and richard spencer and jason kessler, and i believe matthew has said, which is the administration has given them the go-ahead, the thumbs up, the wink and a nod. that s their words, not mine. i have no information about it one way or the other. okay. susan bro, remembering your daughter, heather heyer, as we all are today, and this weekend. i appreciate you coming on the show and joining us here. thank you for making the time. thank you so much for having me. it is an honor. on sunday, of course, the one-year mark of the deadly fights in charlottesville. msnbc will be sharing the story of a former white supremacist who has dedicated his life to reforming others. breaking hate airs sunday at 9:00 eastern on msnbc. coming up on this show after the break, the final frontier might be the next frontier for the pentagon, but what will the space force actually do? who is picking up the tab? who is skeptical about the new military branch? 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may have trouble getting off the ground. the message from former military experts and members of congress seems to be, washington, we have a problem. one small step step for man. one giant leap for the military. you will have the space force. that s where it s at. space. space force. people love that. now, that space force is a step closer to becoming the sixth branch of service. first new branch of the military since the fair force split from the army in 1947. goal? to have it up and running by 2020 abo2 2020 with the trump administration hoping to reorganize and create a new elite joint force, space war fighters to help combat russia and china s aggressive moves beyond earth s atmosphere. ifs not enough to merely have an american presence in space. we must have american dominance in space. and so we will. i am joined by executive editor of defense one back with me. kimberly atkins and aaron blake. kevin, here s the thing. this announcement came out in the last 24 hours. there are big questions. we learned things how this is going to get laid out. we don t know a lot of things. what are your biggest questions? the biggest questions are whether or not we ll get to a full space force. there s agreement space needed to be elevated and more attention. secretary of the air force and the general in charge, more man than a year ago asked for attention. like u.s. special operations command. which means all services fun nel into it. of the manage anybody that they deploy the troops out where needed. whether in europe, pacific or some other thing. space force, an equal service. that s where it gets dicey. and you have a whole lot of polite smiling at the pentagon, saying we re going hand this off to congress and everyone in congress is kind of saying, okay, let s bring it because it s got to come next year in the budget. congress has to approve a new branch. there s not a whole lot of full support. before i get to that. i think you raised something interesting, there is an agreement there needs to be a space elevation. how do you join the space force? do we know ? like i did. i go to space camp. no. twitter is having so much fun with this because there an air force academy and naval. is there going to be something to recruit space rangers? people love this. people big the idea of getting the u.s. back into space in a way in a competes with frankly, russia and china as we mentioned, who are making moves. we compete plenty. wait a second. jim doesn t think so. here s what he said warning about u.s. satellites. being vulnerable. predict weather, the way we understand climate and of course a lot of people don t realize every banking transaction in the united states of america requires a timing signal from gps which means if we lose that in this country, we have no milk in the grocery store within a matter of three days. it s a threat to the united states. is he wrong? no, he s not wrong. gps is kind of like the one topic that all the space proponents keep pushing on to reporters. it s serious, but look, the reality is you have is tsatelli in space and people trying to attack. but we ve had a story where the army and u.s. military is looking at things like putting robot arms on satellites in space that could go up and physically and attack others. that s all crazy. a lot of what this is about is human space flight, having men and women back into it. and again to have a space force, you need recruiting, uniforms, spousal support. a million things that are not ready and probably will never be ready by 2020. well 20, the time line does seem aggressive based on the folks we talked to. here s the thing. president trump seems pretty serious about it now. 9 wild thing is he was not at first, by his own admission. here s what he said in march. i said maybe we need a new force. we ll call it the space force, and i was not really serious and then i said what a great idea. maybe we ll have do that. it s like a huge moving forth to make this happen. one political problem with this is that members of the military are important aspect of the support for republicans and the president. and the fact that he and mike pence are out talking about this amongst some people makes it seem like they really don t fully understand how the military works just as kevin was pointing out, the aspects already in place. while this might be fun and to folk fun at, it could be politically perilous in one way. is it a good idea? are russia and china weapon identifying space? i think the question like kevin raised is, is this a disproportionate response to a very real problem? you can talk about the fact that we need to even out trade with other countries, but do you need to launch a trade war to accomplish that goal? do you need to take these very serious steps like creating a sixth branch of the military to accomplish that? you re saying the president is either 0 or 100. they re going have to put forward the funding. sounds like you re saying he s 0 or 100 or not a lot of middle ground. it s almost like he likes big things. kevin, it s also seems to be politically popular, people like nasa and space. president s fund-raising, sending this e-mail to supporters saying it s the logo for the new gear. here s the logo option. that s dangerous. i tweeted a little bit just quite a bit. does the marine who donates the most get to rename? the idea to reach out to create the logo. not really going to create the logo but to get people excited. the base is different that the military. it s not a voting block. space force is a pun ch line. the space mission is 100% serious, you knnuclear weapons. idea of the full space force was just such a flip ant thing, the reality of is is real that s why i think the pentagon has not in the first proposal said we re going to start a space force. idea to create a command i think is the perfect solution. military will get a four star command, congress can say that s a good idea and everyone who doesn t want a space force can say we gave the president what he wants. kevin, you have told us what your sources say inside the pentagon about all this but i want to ask kimberly and aaron, on any story, any topic, what are your sources saying about a story you ve been working about? i ve been talking about democrats who are a little wary of nancy pelosi s plan to tag. because the democrats are in a bit of a glass house about this. i mean they expect that president trump and other republicans will fight back noting that senator menendez for example had a mistrial of his own charges. other people such as al franken trying to make a comeback. our sources say pressure is building on nancy pelosi to make changes on her own position. my is on the 2018 election. so the race for congress is very important obviously, the race for senate also important. governors races are hugely, h e hugely important for democrats. this is the way they prevent republicans from being able to draw these maps all over again because they have monopolies on a lot of these throughout the country. there s concern that s not being treated seriously. and the prospects are not as good there. i think we re going to see a push over the next couple months to make sure there s an adequate focus. stakes are very important. arguably even more important than whether they can win the majority in the house by a couple votes. aaron, kevin, kimberly thank you. we want to wrap up with today s big picture. for it, we re heading over to yemen where we told you about the saudi-led strike. i it wouldn t warn you, this is intense. a wounded little boy. he s in torn clothes, covered in his own blood, dust all over his face. he was hurt in that explosion, and here, he s waiting in the hospital in desperate need of treatment. he is actually one of the lucky ones because a lot of his fellow kids who were in that bus ready for summer camp didn t make it. war is now the world s worst humanitarian crisis. 22 million people need aid and protection. this photograph here by afp and getty.
Anderson Cooper takes viewers beyond the headlines with in-depth reporting and investigations. unable to define it. in the past he s called them sons of bitches. now he says they seem to be lacking intelligent. most recently he suggested lebron james was dumb, we know he thinks congresswoman maxine waters is dumb, as well, he s called her low iq. there is history here. mr. chairman trump built his brand on the allegation the first african-american president was not a legitimate citizen. he demanded to see the african-american president s grades in college. more recently he asked white house staffers why the u.s. should be letting into the country from places like haiti and african nations instead of, say, norway. perhaps this weekend on the anniversary of charlottesville, ne neo-nazis gathering in the white house he will say or tweet something to help bring the nation together. out, registering voters, a lot of stuff going on. it s sad the president hasn t acknowledged that. this is unfortunate because you saw the president say i want to engage, i m willing to take on the issue. he is making positive steps substantively on criminal justice at the policy level but the politics for him always come back to insulting black people so you have a tale of two presidencies where he s met with governors about criminal justice and then the same day goes back to the knob sense nonsense. is this just about riling up his base? i don t know why he wants to do this. i tell you what i would do if i was a player, which i was. i salute my flag whenever i get a opportunity i salute my flag. not because america is perfect but because of the ideals of america and i will always salute that. that said, i do support these players and their right to protest. i think it s unwise and i think there are other good things they can be doing. there are a lot of things that need to be recognized rather than taking the national stage and protesting the united states of america. he has said to other people that this works for his base and that seems to be why he continues to do it because he s brought up this issue. it s not as if this is there s new ground here. here s new thing about the president who i voted for. let s put that out there, full disclosure. all right. he is a politician entertainer. we take him way too seriously. . the office of the president city of the united states is much more important than some antics that our president engages in. it s embarrassing, sometimes it s embarrassing, sometimes i m enhanced but i know i m an american, i have to live my life regardless of what the president does and i know i m on a national media platform and we re talking about the president but we get way too much in the weeds on what the president does or doesn t do. i think because we have a congress, our constitution is set up so that the president can t ship wreck the country. well, so far. but i think i understand what you re saying and i think sometimes people do get upset about stuff. but at the end of the day. and when you don t have a condemnation of a nazi march, that sends a signal that there s a bunch of people that 99% of americans don t want to have anywhere around them. it s okay. i m very concerned about this weekend. i m concerned we ll go into the week end where there s fear and silence may seem like consent or afore mission. a growth of a nazi movement unopposed the president is bad. we can t have it. i don t want to say it s nonsensical but it s outrageous that would not be decried and as a republican who supported the president i would say mr. preside president, please decry these as in racist crazy people walking across the street from the white hou house. my brothers in the nfl, they are game changers, the show we did last year, there were some great things said about the positive things the nfl, the league, the owners have done some things positive. i think there s a lot of positive things that we have. i don t understand why it s still necessary for these guys to take a knee or raise a fist i don t understand it. because the conditions haven t changed. you have to remember, we re old guys now, you re talking about these guys are two, three years out of the hood. when they go home for thanksgiving dinner, their cousins, their nephews, their uncles and aunts are still dealing with police forces that are sometimes more hostile in that neighborhood than three neighborhoods over and they don t feel that yes the conversation may have changed, the conditions haven t changed and they want to keep protest i ing. i ve never seen athletes have this kind of impact for better or for worse. well, there s some individuals kareem abdul-jabbar. but in my lifetime this has been one of the most effective interventions by athletes and i think we should be proud of them. they could be worrying about their sneaker deals. find out what they are doing. how many are engaged in the community and we need to find out who they are, we need to report that. that needs to be what is report report reported. lebron james supported the protests for colin kaepernick and then while president trump is putting babies in prison cells, lebron is putting children in classrooms and he goe gets called dumb. at what point can these young people win? at this point they can make a difference, they can stand up for their communities, they can show up and be counted. there s so much that s going on in the communities. i just moved into inner city philadelphia from harlem and it s it s amazing the opportunity that we have to make a difference in people s lives that we love them and care for them. you talk about the office of the president being more important than the president himself. the whole idea of the office of the president does carry a weight to it and you talk about leadership, that is the ultimate in somebody at the top saying to somebody in any community i see you, i hear you, i care about you. you know what drives me crazy. this is a tale of two presidencies. literally you have the president of the united states this week met with republican governors to talk about how to do criminal justice reform. how to do prison reform. and then he turns literally around in the same news cycle, destroys that coverage and picks a dumb fight so you have the policy moving in this direction. but he clearly sees it as a fight he s not dumb. he clearly sees there is a political advantage among the people. that makes him a politician. you mean for the quote/unquote racist base? i m not saying a racist base. i m saying his base. i m not calling him racists but plenty of people don t like the protests and they re not racist, they just don t think it s the right venue. and i m one of those. but his message certainly appeals to his base. i guess. but when we define a base like that, most americans love america. as do football players. i called them patriots before. i i ve never decried their patriotism. i m saying i would choose to do it another way. but with their patriotism and with the patriotism we have for most americans. there needs to be positive reinforcement. it would be great to have a show on that and then we can say to the president mr. president, see what these guys are doing? he should have a conference at the white house on social justice reform and see and have some of these guys show up because they are very very intelligen intelligence. when we come back, the mom of heather heyer joins us. how she is honoring her daughter s life and carrying on her legacy. also, what a robert mueller up to? 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i m so busy during interviews i haven t had time to think but a check came in the mail for the estate of heather heyer. those words always tear at my heart. i pulled it together and said okay, back to work. and so that s how i m getting through the weekend is i m staying busy and i m going to collapse sunday night and collapse monday and then tuesday i m back at work again because that s what you do, you survive. you don t give up. the past year has been surreal. people like spike lee, bernie sanders, they know my name, they have my phone number, that s kind of crazy and yeah, just i m trying to push hard. let s take the focus often of heather, as heather would want us to do. it s been a year now and focus on why she was there and focus on why she died. i m frying to pass the baton and focus on the fact that we need to address the racial issues in our country. i m wondering if you feel like your eyes were opened not just by what happened to your daughter but the public displays in charlottesville last year. people men marching through the streets with torches chanting jews will not replace us and attacking other people. those of us who weren t paying attention that was a big shock. people paying attention knew it was coming and that snapped our heads around. i m sorry somebody had to die before we paid attention. there are lots of people wounded still dealing with surgeries and trauma and some people will never recover and that was an assault on our soul as well and hate is a nasty bit of acid to our psyche and we need to not have hate in our world. but the only way we re going to do that is to fix the problems. we can t spackle this over. if we just try to cover this over or rush into healing this, we ll be back here in a few years. you spent the last year carrying on heather s legacy of a new foundation, the heather heyer foundation, stepping into her activist shoes. what do you want to have change? what have you been fighting for? well, i m looking for those kids who have already motivated for positive change, positive non-violence change and i m saying fine, i ll help your education and training and give you practical experience. i m not trying to create activists. some kids are automatically that way and i m looking for those ki kids. people are on edge from your city, the nation s capital. what would be your message to people this weekend? don t let your card down. be aware of your surroundings. you don t need to be paranoid but you need to be aware. there is a difference. you don t need to live in fear but you need to live in a higher state of alert. this too shall pass and just realize that when people hate there are going to be problems and there s no place for hate. i want to ask you something that i read and i wasn t sure it was f it was true. i read you had to keep the location of heather s grave secret because of concerns that neo-nazis would deface it. is that true? part ly. the cemetery and i both agreed that there s no need for anybody to visit heather s grave. even well wishers would trample other people s graves. some mistaken person would break some things. but i will tell you that emmett till s marker was just recently shot up. in fact, it gets shot up on a regular basis. violet liuzzo s market was defaced. one time i don t think it s happened again because we called them out on it there were new testament candles, flowers at heather s memorial and someone had urinated all over everything and had left a note saying it s okay to be white again. so yes there are people who will do stupid things like that so we just i keep it. private, the downtown memorial is where people can pay their respects, they don t need to bother her ashes. susan bro, appreciate all you re doing and your talking to us tonight. thank you, anderson. one quick final note on the foundation susan bro runs and scholarships it sponsors, if you want help, you can do night at the web site heatherheyerfoundation.com. coming up, the woman known as the manhattan madam was scheduled to testify before the grand jury convened in the mueller investigation. she s also a friend of roger stone. and behind closed doors testimony resumed in the manafort trial where prosecutors say they are on the verge of say they are on the verge of wrapping up their case. comcast, building america s largest gig-speed network. a woman once known as the manhattan madam was scheduled to testify before a grand jury impaneled by special counsel robert mueller as part of the russia investigation. he s a close friend of roger sto stone. another associate of stone, andrew miller, defied a subpoena to testify. his attorneys saying they intend to appeal the order to appear. jessica snyder has more details. kirsten davirstin davis was sch testify as mueller appears to be focusing in on roger stone. what s the latest? yeah, she s likely of big interest to the special counsel because of her close friend ssh and the fact she s a long time associate of roger stone. they ve been friends for a decade now. it was in 2010 that roger stone served as her strategist when she ran for governor of new york state. that was unsuccessful because of her notoriety as a manhattan madam. but interestingly kristin davis worked for roger stone in late 2016, she did clerical work for his web site. given the fact that roger stone during 2016 talked about the fact he had talked with julian assange he later walked that back, but given that fact kristin davis is probably of interest to the special counsel so she could shed light on what she knows about this possible interaction between roger stone and julian assange. but she did testify before the grand jury today. what about andrew miller, the former aide to roger stone? he was held in contempt. kristin davis answered her subpoena, she was here before the grand jury. andrew miller did not. he refused to comply with the subpoena and as a result the judge held him in contempt and issued a 93-page opinion. the judge put the contempt ruling on hold until monday so andrew miller s attorneys can go through the appeal process. they re arguing the appointment of special counsel mueller in and of itself is unconstitutional so they said by virtue of that fact their subpoenas shouldn t have to be complied with so they re in the midst of appealing that. andrew miller an associate of roger stone but refusing to comply with the subpoena today. there s another play, the guy who roger stone says was his wikileaks back channel has been supped to testify. that s right. he s a comedian, a radio talk show host, an associate once again with roger stone. he initially rebuffed robert mueller s request for a voluntary interview but then today his attorney tells us he was served with a subpoena and he plans to comply, the subpoena when he is supposed to go for the grand jury, that s set for september 7. interesting date because we heard from rudy giuliani saying he expected the entire mueller probe to be wrapped up by september 1 so we see this probe going full steam ahead. this particular subpoena will be answered on september 7 so obviously anderson the probe won t be wrapped up by september 1 as giuliani hoped for. jessica snyder, thanks very much. the end of another week at the paul manafort trial. first big courtroom case to stem from mueller s investigation. took a while for proceedings to get under way as the judge huddled from prosecutors and defense attorneys. jim sciutto is there for us today. so the prosecution was on schedule to rest today before the delay. any word on what that was about? it s a mystery and the judge has instructed the discussions be kept between the judge and lawyers involved. we re reading tea leaves based on what the judge said after that delay. he gave instructions that said a couple things. one, don t speak about this trial or your thoughts about this trial and in his words keep an open mind. it gives an indicator that one of the jurors did or said something that is outside the rules, jurors aren t allowed to talk to anybody about the case or watch the news. that s a possibility but we don t know because the judge is keeping the details secret. we know they came back to court and dove back into things in the afternoon so whatever the issue was, it doesn t appear it was severe enough to stop the trial. you ve had trials go to mistrials because of misbehavior. and once it resumed there was testimony suggesting manafort s role managing the trump campaign helped him win millions of dollars in loans, is that correct? it is. a couple interesting developments at the merits of the case. the first is this. what s the importance of yankees tickets? they brought in someone from the yankees who testified in 2011 paul manafort instructed season tickets to the yankees, a couple hundred thousand bucks, these were good seats. he e-mailed instructions for that payment to be made from one of those many bank accounts in cyprus he said up for the express purpose of avoiding taxes. that shows that paul manafort was in charge of that transaction. defense attorneys attempted to portray rick gates as the mastermind and manafort just a bystander but they used that example to show he knew about these accounts and he was instructing how those funds would be used. the other interesting case, anderson, relates to a fraudulent bank loan that manafort received with the help of a senior executive at the federal savings bank. what s interesting about that is that the senior executive later manafort pushed for him to be secretary of the army. so the question being was there a quid pro quo there? it shows that paul manafort kept some influence or at least the appearance of influence in the trump administration after he left his position. and are prosecutors on track to finish things up on monday? do we know how many people the defense are going to call? on the first question yes, it looks like it. we expected prosecution to wrap up today but barring any other delays or surprise issues or court issuance over the weekend, that seems to be likely, a big question for the defense. i ve spoken the to defense attorneys and ask them that. they ll keep their cards close to their chest but we know the judge wants to wrap this trial up in a week or so but it s not up to him. jim sciutto, thanks very much. president trump s private lawyers took to the national radio airwaves filling for sean hannity. both lawyers agreeing and agreeing some more they wouldn t let their client fall into what they like to call a perjury trap. we have details of what giuliani and jay sekulow had to say. i put a spell on you yeah, because you re mine with chase atms serena can now grab cash on the go, all with the tap of her phone. stop the things you do no card? no problem. life, lived serena s way. chase, make more of what s yours. no, what?? i just switched to geico and got more. more? got a company i can trust. that s a heck of a lot more. over 75 years of great savings and service. you can t argue with more. why would ya? geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more. that he s innocent, which he is but he also understands his role as president and that you can t throw aside prerogatives of the presidency. we ll make the right advice to our client. there will be no perjury trial. i said that, you said that, no perjury trap here. we won t allow it. oh, no, no, that s so obviously one of the things they re trying to do that it s not easy but we can protect against that. they re chewing over whether the president will agree to a one-on-one an on-the-record interview with special counsel robert mueller. that is something to be determined. here with me now is mike mukasey, long time friend of rudy giuliani. judge, thanks for being with us. . should the president sit down for an interview with mueller? one word answer, no. from his own standpoint i think it s a mistake. from evidence gathering, i think they ve got all the answers and his views about what he did or didn t do. you don t think the president needs mueller to sit down? correct. and i think he d need to show the reason. then there s president s prerogative, that is complying with whether it s a congressional subpoena or the of another branch of the executive to do something influences what later presidents can and can t do and all presidents are conscious of that. there are some who have said it s important for mueller to talk to the president in order to understand intent. you say no? no, that is something that might be germane in a criminal case. there isn t going to be a criminal case here. secondly the president s already talked about what his intent was. he said he didn t have the conversation with comey if that s what we re talking about. so that s a dry hope. the other thing we hear in the radio interview from giuliani and jay sekulow is the idea of a perjury trap. that they believe that they don t want to have the president in perjury. one other point that was in his mind, the firing of james comey, that was something he had the right under the constitution do and in any event, obstruction of an fbi investigation is not obstruction of justice within the meaning of the statute. it may sound odd but it s not and the u.s. attorney s manual is very clear on that. there s case law. obstruction statutes don t cover that so even if that was his intent which i doubt because the investigation went on, that wasn t being conducted by comey in any event. that isn t covered. to your next question. let s play what giuliani was saying or sekulow saying about the idea of a perjury trap. we re walking him into a possible perjury trap not because he isn t telling the truth but because somebody else isn t telling the truth who they would credit, namely comey. so if he says i never had the conversation with flynn and they elect to believe comey, they can write down we believe he committed perjury and we have walked him into that. there s a lot of other legal analysts who said this notion of a perjury trap, if you re telling the truth there isn t a perjury trap. well, not entirely. you may recall things differently. there may be more than one witness who tells the different story for a variety of reasons and then you re stuck with the perjury charge. however i don t think the question of whether he had the conversation with comey or not is the perjury trap anybody is concerned about. it has to do with the meeting in trump tower and whether he knew about in the advance or not. he says he didn t. other people may say he did. is it just that someone else says well he did know about it, the president says he didn t. alan dershowitz and the presidents for the president seem to imply mueller will disagree with somebody who doesn t have the same opinion? if there s documentation i could understand that would be concerning but if the president is telling the truth and it s just a he said/he said it doesn t seem like mueller will go out of spite to believe somebody else. look, he said many things which are not true publicly, and that they are legitimately concerned he might say something that is not true. if he has said things that are not true publicly, then he s already said them, and they have proof to the contrary if they want to press it. he s talked about millions of illegal immigrants voting. so who knows what he s actually going to say during that interview. he s talked about who knows what he s going to say during the interview is not a basis for conducting the interview. you have to show a need for the evidence, and i don t i honestly don t think there s a need for it. judge mukasey, i appreciate your time. let s check in with chris to see what he s working on for cuomo prime time at the top of the hour. a.g. mukasey is a smart man. however, you re making a good point, anderson. don t let it go. the fact that he could freelance the president in the interview is exactly one of the main reasons they don t want him in the room with mueller s men and women, because they don t know what he ll say. he could freelance, and in doing so, he could misrepresent fact, truthful hyperbole, and in you do truthful hyperbole to a federal agent, it s a crime. so you are making the right point. tonight on the show we re going to have the lawyer for one of roger stone s assistants. why did he not want to comply with a subpoena? is he hiding something, or is he trying to expose something? we re fortunate enough to have his attorney on to make the case and test it. and we re going to do the same thing with this new tax provision that the trump administration says they don t need congress for. odd when obviously taxation is one of congress main constitutional roles. and guess who it benefits? donald trump and people like him. is that what we need? we re going to talk about it with marc short, one of the architects of the plan. the closing argument is about why the president is calling out protesters but not the ones headed to charlottesville this weekend. yeah. chris, thank you. we ll see you in seven minutes from now. the latest from california where more than a dozen fires continue to burn, and the man accused of starting one of them more than 18,000 acres appeared in court today. i receive travel rewards. going new places. (oh!) going out for a bite. going anytime. rewarded! learn more at theexplorercard.com booking a flight doesn t have to be expensive. just go to priceline. it s the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40%. just tap and go. for the best savings on flights, go to priceline. a man in california has been charged with arson, accused of setting one of the 15 devastating fires that continue to burn in the state. the suspect was in court today. the fire he s accused of setting is only about 5% contained after burning more than 18,000 acres. stephanie elam has the latest. reporter: the raging wildfires in southern california are spreading from these remote cliffs to the edges of hillside communities. the holy fire has forced more than 21,000 people to evacuate. while some are making a last-ditch effort to save their homes. come on, let s go! anybody else in the house? no, nobody s here. reporter: long beach police officer josh castro captured these images of the holy fire burning just beyond his yard. tricky wind patterns are creating the so-called elsinore front, racing uphill one moment, downhill the next. pushing flames within feet of these homes. firefighters continue to battle the flames aggressively. in this fire fight, it s hard to believe none of these homes were lost. firefighters managed to contain the flames. my heart was pounding, and i was screaming for joy that they re here just doing that for us here. reporter: authorities say this fire was intentional, allegedly started by forrest gordon clark, who is now under arrest and charged with felony arson. bail has been set at $1 million. may i pay for that immediately? i can handle a million right now easily. reporter: clark appeared before an orange county judge today. mr. clark is charged in several counts involving arson, aggravated arson. it s a lie. criminal threats. these are just allegations, sir. reporter: volunteer fire chief mike milligan has known clark for decades and even showed us a message he says clark texted him just two weeks ago. it s all going to burn just like you planned, it read. milligan has lived here for 50 years and says clark s home was one of the only ones in the community that didn t burn to the ground. i know going up there is hard for you. yeah, sure it is. why is it so hard? i know these people. i know the families. i know what has happened here. so, you know, when your friends lose their home, that has an effect on everybody. reporter: the holy fire is just one of 15 major fires responders are actively battling across california. so far these fires have charred more than 670,000 acres and damaged or destroyed more than 2,000 structures. and with hot and dry conditions favoring the fires, it could be another month before these fires are contained. and keep in mind, anderson, that 670,000 acres that we re talking about burning here in the state of california, that s more than the land mass of rhode island. that s how much has been burned here. if you look behind me, before we came to talk to you, you could see the flames. but then the winds changed directions very quickly. i m talking about within like five minutes. it s incredible. now it s coming at us.
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expression, is watching and waiting. a handful of white nationalists, just two dozen, gathered within sight of the white house earlier. thousands more met them head-on during a rainy night here in the nation s capital. and i want to start with our team of reporters that has been out in the rain all day and night. i want to start with garrett haake. garrett, you started your day at the metro meeting this small group of protesters, frankly. can you walk us through what you ve seen over the course of today? sure, kasie. it was clear from the word go that this rally was not going to be everything that it was advertised as. when organizers put it together, they had told people to meet at the metro in vienna, virginia around 2:00 so they could come into the city as a big group and a show of force examiand for th own protection. they got their protection from mpd once they made it to the district of columbia. there was no show of force. only two dozen or so with jason kessler the organizer of charlottesville last year, and doing the unite the white rally 2.0 here in d.c. today, the disorganization, the disunity, the lack of message was clear from the start. most of these folks showed up. they didn t even have metro cards so they marched into the vienna metro station and then marched right up to the metro card machine and had to slow themselves down to buy fare to get into the district. and the message was muddled from the word go as well. kessler tried to tell me in an interview that this was not a racist event, that this was all about free speech. then i started talking to some of the people who showed up with them and two young white supremacists, there is really no other word for it, told me they considered white americans to be the founding stock of this country. and if you weren t a white european american, you were somehow less american than they. so no message unity. the ride in on the train was probably the highlight of the day for these guys because they had the press attention to themselves. and when they got into the city they were completely and utterly overwhelmed by the thousands of counter protesters that swarmed them every step of the way from the metro here to lafayette park behind me and stayed with them all day long until they left. garrett, can i ask you, i ve seen some traffic and some people frankly raising questions about whether these white nationalists were given separate cars on the metro to bring them in to washington, d.c. since you were there, what did you see? i was on the train. there was a car that was entirely white nationalist and reporters, but i don t know that that was done under the direction of anyone except people on the platform who also looked around and decided they didn t want to be in a metro car full of white nationalists and reporters. there were other people on that train coming in from vienna, but they were riding in different cars. it s not clear to me that that was done at the direction of police. rather, just some good sensible virginians who looked around and said there s probably another car on this train they d rather ride in. i absolutely want to be no part of this. garrett, thank you. jeff bennett, can you talk us through what you ve seen from your vantage point? and also obviously after this happened in charlottesville, just one year a go, all the attention turned to president trump and his really response or lack thereof to what we had seen in the streets of charlottesville. how are things different this year? kasie, you re 100% right. look, jason kessler, the organizer behind unite the right, the rally last year and this sequel rally, initially wanted to hold the follow-up in charlottesville. but he was denied a permit there the so he turned his attention to washington, d.c. and the national park service approved his permit for what he called a white civil rights rally because the national park service says that they are forced to approve any first amendment rights event. so he thought he was going to be coming in closer proximity to president trump, even though this is a weekend in which we know president trump is at his private golf resort in bedminster where he s finishing up his week there. but we ve seen the president just yesterday sort of issue that preemptive tweet where he says, i condemn racism on all sides. so some people have really characterized that standing in stark contrast to what he said last year where he drew this moral equivalence between the white nationalists, the white supremacists and those who were protesting against him. however, some people have read that same tweet and said, look, the president still can t condemn these white supremacists. he can t call out their bad acts. so we had this tweet from the president today, ivanka trump, the president s daughter and white house aide added her voice to all of this saying she condemns specifically racism, white nationalism, nazism, says it has no place in our country. so the question is what will the president say when he s in an unguarded, unscripted moment and he gets a question about this, whether it s an oval office spray, whether it s a south lawn scrum, whether he s going to do an event tomorrow. there will be some press pool reporters there. what will he say when he s caught off guard? i think that will be far more illustrative and far more instructive. kasie. and we should note of course, jeff, the permit that was given to mr. kessler was for upwards of 400 people. he showed up with just two dozen. jeff bennett, thanks very much for your reporting. we ll be checking back in with you tonight. sure. meanwhile i want to welcome in my panel with me on set, former rnc chairman and political analyst, michael steele. whouts reporter for l.a. times and nbc political analyst eli stokols. polster and msnbc political analyst cornell belcher and the president of the national urban league and former mayor of new orleans, mark morial. thank you all for being here tonight. michael steele, i want to start with you as somebody who is there is a lot being ascribed to what i think is still your party, although you have had some major differences over the course of the last year. we re working that out. but what do you read into what you saw today with this frankly dismal showing, and what the president had to say about it so far? i kind of ignore the showing in all of that. that s melodrama that will play itself out one way or the other. 24 people, 400 people, that is what it is. how that is ultimately framed in my view is what we have relied on in the past and that is a president who speaks into the moment and clarifies and defines where we are as american citizens when it comes to this type of hate-filled response to fellow americans. and the fact that the president is giving us sort of, you know, sort of a lightweight response on twitter. hate racism of all kinds. okay, but we re specifically talking about this, all right? can you narrow it down for us just a little bit with respect to what s happening in your front yard? and the fact that he still can t do that, that to me is the lesson that every american should take from what we see this weekend. mark morial, to michael steele s point, the president is not out front leading on this tonight. the rally by the unite the right group is an absolute flop, a failure, a poor showing. 30 people and all of this anticipation, all of this mobilization, all of the public resources spent by the city of washington and the federal government and the taxpayers for 30 people to show up. but secondly, this was an opportunity for the president to make a forceful unequivocal statement. go look at mitt romney s statement. look at ivanka trump s statement. those statements are more on mark of the type of statement we d like to see the president make. this is a moral moment. this is a moment where we expect the president to speak unequivocally. he seems to not be able to really get to the point where he condemns this awful ideology of nazism and anti-semitism. we need him to lead at this difficult and challenging time in american history. we haven t heard that. and i think we should hear it. cornell belcher, first of all, your perspective on what we ve seen unfold in the streets of washington today. what kind of lasting damage might president trump be doing to public relationships with the gop for african americans thinking about where can i have a home? right, where can i have a home is a big issue. we ve seen in a lot of polling and cbs polling, we did polling in battle ground for african americans for black pac. you have over 70% of americans thinking that racism is on the rise, right? and a majority think their communities are under attack. so that s the sort of reality for minorities, for many minorities who thought so much of this was in the past. we are again watching ku klux klan and white supremacists march through the streets of washington, right? but i also at the same time, to the chairman s point on this, the 30 people showing doesn t mean anything, right? because we understand it s a strategy they re going underground. and when you look at sort of the racism that i think trump is making okay again in this country, that s going to hurt us long term because one of the things i talked about before is we re not going to get whiter as a country so we better figure out how to live with each other whether you re republican or democrat. we have to do a better job of figuring out how to live with each other and the president must play a central role in that. yeah. eli stokols, from a political perspective, this is a president who feeds off crowds. he watches what happens in front of him. he tosses things out to the crowd. he sees how they react to it and oftentimes he ll continue to say something because it seemed to resonate. it does president seem to me that this small group of extremists really had any sort of showing that should suggest that this is something with a real constituency. if he s watching tv tonight, and we have no reason to think he s not, because he watches tv pretty much every day. he s seeing this and he is not going to take satisfaction, he s not going to claim credit. if anything, he might distance himself from it. but before he could see the crowds as everybody here has pointed out. he had a chance to make a strong statement condemning not all kinds of racism, but specifically white supremacists. the president is really good at giving these mealy mouth statements open to interpretation so he can say, i condemned racism. what do you want me to do? but he can leave enough room there for people who want to march in these rallies or attend these meetings or pop off on facebook with racist ideas, he can leave enough daylight for them to think, he s actually with us. that protest that we saw in charlottesville a year ago, that hadn t been seen before donald trump was president and from all the reporters who were in the crowd talking to people, the majority of the white supremacists who showed up believed rightly or wrongly that this president was on their side, that he understood them differently than past presidents, past political leaders before and there was an excitement about that. and if that is not the case, it s incumbent on the president to send a stronger message to say, i do not support this and as yet he has not. michael steele, this is a question that chuck todd asked of a member of congress on meet the press a week or tua go. he asked, is the republican party becoming the party that is fundamentally anti-black? i don t know if i ll go that far yet. we have our roots, though. we have our roots when there was a southern strategy in the nixon campaign in 68 to bring into the fold this particular ilk of person, to put it politely, this kind of trash, because there was some electoral benefit presumably that would come from it. there was no consideration given to the poison that would infect the body politic within the gop, that here we are now some 50 years later having to deal with a president, a republican president who, to the point that was just made, gives countenance to it, that gives room to that. so, the party has to now, irrespective of the president, the party has to account for this because i don t know how we go into a black community, into an hispanic community and say, come, join us, be a part of us. it s not justify to say you re conservative, not enough to say you go to church on sunday. it s not enough to put that on the table any more when you have this body of work by this administration. you ve got the rhetoric and everything else that says something very different to communities of color in this country. and it s a real problem. mark morial, jump in. i want to offer, i think it s an interesting arc, if you will, from george bush circa 2001 talking about affirmative access, appointing colin powell and later condaleeza rice as secretaries of state. a gop in the congress that had a j.c. watts in its leadership and a gop that had a michael steele as its chair. that party would seem to be maybe making small steps is a very different scene today. michael steele, a j.c. watts, a colin powell, a condee rice, they were in the republican movement in 2000s. this is a directional shift when you have a corey stewart, a patrick little as candidates nominated or candidates running under the gop banner. so i think the difficulty for the gop is not only in its leadership optics and in the president s rhetoric, but also the fact that there are no longer any credible african americans in any leadership role anywhere, it seems, in the congress or in the executive branch. it s hard to make up a particularly when you ve got a changing landscape in the country not to even mention the lack of latino leaders in the very same party. so you ve got to look at this in terms of where it s come from maybe 15 years ago to where it is directionally in the wrong direction if you consider the demographic shifts in the country for the gop. fair points. we are just getting started here on kasie d.c. we re going to take you back live to the streets in washington as some of the most dramatic moments come from antifa protesters. plus reality show plot twist 15 years in the making. omarosa throws the book at the president. we re back after this. -morning. -morning. -what do we got? -keep an eye on that branch. might get windy. have a good shift. fire pit. last use 0600. i d stay close. morning. get ready to switch. protected by flo. should say, protected by alan and jamie. -right? -should it? when you bundle home and auto. run, alan! .you get more than just savings. you get round-the-clock protection. him to process complex information, how he is not engaged in some of the most important decisions that impact our country. i was complicit and for that i regret. welcome back to kasie d.c. omarosa has now been relegated to the list of people that the president has dismissed as low lives. that includes ted cruz, eric harryman son, and someone who is not bob costa. i wish i knew off the top of my head who it is. it is easy to forget omarosa and the president were collaborateers in one way or another for 15 years. i want you to go out to laelgz, greet these guys, and over a period of weeks you re going to decide whether or not there is somebody for you. good-bye, sweetheart. good luck, have a good time. will it work? the new show on tv one is called donald j. trump presents the ultimate merger. donald and omarosa, welcome. thank you. first of all, describe the right guy for omarosa. what kind of guy should omarosa i don t know if there is a right guy. i don t think there is any man in the world that can handle this. she s smart, she s tough, but she s good. she has a good heart, i will say that. there is a reason you liked her even though you had trouble in the beginning. i hated her from the beginning but i also loved her. and the show went to number one on many weekends as you know. are they all rich guys, who are these guys? donald chose a mixture of six wealthy guys, the other six not so much. he wanted to see who i would end up with. okay. omarosa defended the president even in the wake of her departure, some would say firing from the white house, and that includes in the wake of his response to the charlottesville rally. i would never sit nor work for someone who i believed to be a racist. many people feel that the president, at worst, is a racist and at best is a sympathizer for white supremacists. is he? donald trump is racial, but he is not a racist. yes, i will acknowledge many of the exchanges, particularly in the last six months have been racially charged. do we then just stop and label him as a racist? no. times have changed, and now omarosa is leveling accusations at the president, including that she has heard a tape of him using a racial slur. and i know it exists. and what i regret is that these people are probably trying to leverage it as this october surprise. i don t want to be a part of that. but i have heard for two years that it existed and once i heard it for myself, it was confirmed what i feared the most, that donald trump is a con, and has been masquerading as someone who is actually open to engaging with diverse communities. but when he talks that way, the way he did on this tape, it confirmed that he is truly a racist. being used by donald trump for so long, i was like the frog in the hot water. you don t know that you re in that situation until it just keeps bubbling and bubbling. it s clear in hindsight. the white house disputes many of her claims. we are going to welcome into our conversation here former u.s. attorney and former msnbc contributor, joyce vance. i want to get you into the legality of taping something in the situation room. but first you were watching the tape of omarosa and shaking your head. please do tell us what you were thinking. i was thinking so many different things. one is actually i want i know she is your bff. but she says she s not the best vehicle for this, but some of the things she said on meet the press do ring true, like he can t grasp knowledge and information. he s challenged. but she s such a bad vehicle on it because the idea that omarosa didn t know that he was a racist and omarosa didn t know he was a bad person until the point where she was benefiting from it, right? and it s just, it s sad to see reality television has eaten our culture and now it s eaten our politics. michael steele, the difference between racial and racist, i mean she seemed to be kind of really struggling to make that distinction at first. it s silly, it is silly. you know, he s being racial. oh, okay. no, racist. just call it what it is. a spade a spade. and the fact is she couldn t at the time because she was all up in it. she was, you know, in the white house. she was part of trump world doing her thing. and now she is presumably outside of that. i m still not convinced that that s really the case. those two are two sides of the same coin, all right. and she s talking about, you know, he calls her low life. well, donald, that s your low life. you created that low life. you gave impetus to that. so now you re reaping what you sowed and we re supposed to fall down and go poor omarosa? please, spare me. we have one of your tweets to put on the screen. i m not sure if it has to be bleeped. omarosa, when you said every critic, every detractor will have to bow down to president trump. does that include you? #not credible. when she sort of broke into the news cycle with the book and some of the early interviews on this, that interview that she gave where she looked into the camera and very seriously told america that all of you detractors, all of you who ever said a bad word about donald trump, you will bow down to donald trump. i m sitting there going, does that include you? because clearly you re one of those detractors. so it is so disingenuous. it is so reality tv yid. and i agree with you, cornell. this is now an infection of our politics and it s unfortunate. so for all of us, we should just kind of stop it. yeah. so, the part of chuck s interview from earlier that is possibly drawing the most attention is a secret recording that omarosa claims she made in the situation room, the situation room. as she was being removed from the white house for what chief of staff john kelly called, quote, integrity violations. i think it is important to understand that if we make this a friendly departure, we can all be, you know, you can look at your time here in the white house as a year of service to the nation. and then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. white house press secretary sarah sanders just released a statement tonight that reads, quote, the very idea a staff member would sneak a recording device into the white house situation room shows a blatant disregard for our national security and then to brag about it on national television further proves the lack of character and integrity of this disgruntled former white house employee. so, joyce vance, just kind of from your perspective as a former law enforcement official, is she in any legal jeopardy here doing something like this? i mean, is there anything she s opening herself up to? also, did you read anything into kind of what john kelly said to her at the top? it sounded to me like he suspected she might be recording the entire thing, making mention to lawyers that were present in the room, and then refusing to explain further. there is likely a technical crime or two that s been committed here. obviously prosecutors don t choose to prosecute every technical crime that s been committed, but she probably should get herself a lawyer and be in consultation. i think your second point is a pretty interesting one, though. typically i wouldn t think that the president s chief of staff would need to take an employee into the situation room to fire them. and it seems like he may have taken her into the situation room contemplating that as a secure facility, she wouldn t be able to take a phone or another recording device in with her. and it s an incredible lapse, frankly, of security in this white house that she was in the situation room with a phone at all, whether it was recording or not. so, a lot of different layers here to peel back. eli stokols, what is your sort of view on this as somebody who has covered the interactions of this white house? are you surprised by john kelly s conductor by the fact that this phone was in the situation room? or is it actually just how business is done? no, i mean, the omarosa episode of this presidency is the least surprising one that we ve seen yet, right? this is a reality tv president, we have a reality tv contestant. they put her in the white house. she was fired in season one. like, what do you think is going to happen? the fact is there has never been any process or protocol in this west wing. that s part of it. and so in a normal administration it would be shocking that someone like omarosa would be in the situation room with a recording device. or just in the situation room at all. exactly. but this is not you know, when the white house comes out and puts out these statements, the other day it was the president who directed staff to put out the first statement he wanted to respond to this book. they put out another one today about the interviews this morning. this is bothering the president. he doesn t like it. and the statements make sense. it does reflect on omarosa s character to be doing this. but the question always comes next. why was she there? why was she given this position? why was she given $180,000 taxpayer salary? i think we know what the answer is. the answer is there were not a lot of minorities who were willing to go you took our answer, tokenism. it s hard to say when you re a reporter reporting on this white house, but there are not there s nobody else in there. kellyanne conway got a question this morning, who is the next highest ranking black official in the white house? she s pretty good in these interviews at vamping and she was stumped. so let me clarify the record for everybody. take us back in time between november and january and then january till about march of this year, of 2017. when you talk about african americans coming into the whouts,whoutite house, i was part of a small group that put together a very comprehensive list of african-american republicans who had served in prior administrations who were willing to come in and assist this president and to transition and all of that. you know who blocked those very same african-americans from getting the consideration they would want or need to have a position in the administration? none other than the one and only omarosa. so, you know, this plaintiff cry about, i m the only african-american well, that s how you wanted it because you blocked the people that we had put together to submit to the white house through chris christie and his team at the time, and that didn t happen. so don t cry that river. you have this epiphany when you re trying to sell a book. she s known for a decade. also remarkable, i m sorry we have to press pause. when we continue, rudy giuliani says that conversation between the president and joimames come about letting go of the michael flynn investigation, filed a big if true. back with more kasie d.c. after this. need a change of scenery? this is the president speaking. i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go. now, those are his exact words. is that correct? correct. and you wrote them here and you put them in quotes. correct. i took it as a direction. all right. this is the president of the united states with me alone saying, i hope this. i took it as this is what he wants me to do. that was former fbi director james comey testifying before congress back in june of 2017 about the now infamous conversation he had with president trump about michael flynn. now the president s lawyer rudy giuliani is claiming that conversation never happened. directly contradicting his own comments from just a month ago. so you re saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? that is what he will testify to if he s asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath. and you re also saying that a month ago you didn t tellance news that he said something along the lines of of course not. can you give him a break? i did not. i said that is what comey says. how is he a good witness for the president if he said the president is asking him in his words to direct him to let the flynn investigation go? he didn t direct him that. comey says he didn t direct him to, can you give him a break. you said that. i also said before that i m talking about their version of it. lawyers argue in the alternative. i know it s complicated but my goodness we ve been over it long enough. why would i say something that isn t true? dear jesus. joyce vance, the disdecemberibling we often get from rudy giuliani on whatever iteration of the defense that they are trying to mount on the president s behalf whatever they are trying to claim, this seems like a remarkable and very clear instance where rudy giuliani did acknowledge that that conversation, some version of that conversation, had taken place. and now he is saying that it didn t. i think we re long past the point, sadly enough, where we can take anything that comes out of giuliani s mouth at face value. he s here to run a p.r. strategy for the president to either confuse the american people or simply to turn them off to the point where they won t be outraged when the president s multiple failures, including the failure to testify come to light. and if we get to the point where there are impeachment proceedings. this is really about keeping the public from demanding that their elected representatives move forward with impeachment, much more than it s a legal strategy. but if this is true and if the president, in fact, can test jim comey s statement, then the best way for him to clear this up is to agree to do that interview with special counsel robert mueller, to go in and to temperature hitell his version of what happened, to give him krebltd poincredibilitd let the special counsel zero out the investigations comey has made. the president s failure of willingness to do that cuts against jim comey s comments. is there any way to prove this, the president insists the conversation with comey never happened, and comey says it did? how do prosecutors figure out who is telling the truth? sure. so, it s a he said/she said sort of situation. and if prosecutors were going to file charges about this specific incident, they would have to believe that they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the president did this. it could be part of a conspiracy or some other charges, but if they re directly going to talk about this incident, they ve got to be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. if it s just jim comey s word against the president s, then i wouldn t expect them to go forward. but that s not to say that there couldn t be some circumstantial guarantees, including the fact that the president ushered, in effect, everyone else out of the room for this very unusual one-on-one conversation between the president and the fbi director. of course. okay. meanwhile, the president snuck in a broadside against attorney general jeff sessions in a tweet yesterday calling him, quote, scared stiff and missing in action. and it certainly wasn t the first time he s publicly shamed his own attorney general. let s run through some of the other notable examples. in a july 2017 tweet, the president called him, quote, beleaguered. a day later he said he had taken a, quote, very weak position on hillary clinton crimes. after sessions appointed an inspector general to investigate potential fisa abuse instead of doing it himself in february, he called the decision disgraceful. who could forget trump was referring to his attorney general as, quote, mr. mcgoo. eli stokols, how is the attorney general affected when the president of the united states is talking about him in such fashion? i don t know that he is. he s recused himself. that s why the president is angry at the end of the day. he s not having any impact on that. the president as much as he likes to spout off on twitter does not really like to fire people. so that s why sessions is still there. and, you know, i think the you re fired president doesn t like to fire people? that s the reality. he has the ability to fire sessions if he wants to. he hassan t done that even despe talking about it on twitter. i have a twist on it. i do think jeff sessions is very is doing exactly to a certain extent what he wants to do and what the president wants to do because when you look at the way he s rolling back a lot of common sense criminal justice reform acts fair. and when he s throwing out a lot of work the obama administration did, right up the street in baltimore around reforming around reform, he s rolling that back and trying to implement the 1980s law and order sort of nonsense we threw out a long time and locking more people up and building more prisons. he s very effective at that. we often talk about him in the context of russia. that does get overlooked. lie stokols, joyce vance, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. still to come, white nationalists and counter protesters take to the streets here in d.c. one year after the deadly riot in charlottesville. but for many today was also a day of mourning. we re back after this. okay we need to get all your school supplies today. school.. 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heyer was killed one year ago today after a man drove his car through a crowd of counter protesters during last year s white nationalist rally. she was just 32 years old and her mother, who you saw there, was laid flowers today on the makeshift memorial and two state troopers were killed as they tried to keep the peace in the streets of charlottesville. mark morial, i want to ask you. we talked a lot about how damaging this resurgence of white nationalism and white supremacy is to our national conversation, but the flip side of it is that we have seen a lot of americans stand up, take to the streets and say, no, this is not, this is not who we are. we are standing against this hateful speech and language and, you know, in some ways it could be viewed through the most positive possible lens as an opportunity for people to show courage. well, i think people have shown courage out of necessity. i think there is a sense that this white supremacist movement can, because of the climate of the country, because of the rhetoric in the white house, become legitimatized and become a normalized political force, which is extremely dangerous for the future of the nation. but what it has done is lit a fuse, lit a fuse of activism among young people. it s compelled people to get organized. it s compelled people to examine their own commitments and their own consciousness. and i think that what it is doing is fueling look at the response. 30, if you will, neo-nazi alt-right unite the right protesters and thousands of people in opposition and a lot of conversation going on on social media in support of the same. so, you are right, but this is a necessity. i think this generation, my generation, your generation, we re saying we are not in today s climate going to allow the hands of time to be turned back without a fight, without a vigorous fight, without a passionate fight, without a political fight. we cannot let it reoccur. we cannot let it be normalized. all right. cornell 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reverberating in the race in illinois s third congressional district as the republican party s sole candidate, arthur jones, has past neo-nazi ties and is a holocaust denier. jones is running despite the national party disavowing his candidacy. here s a look at what he said during an interview with nbc news morgan ratford back in june. do you think black people are genetically inferior? the average iq of a black person is about 20 points lower than the average iq of a white person. i want to harvard. all right. and you got a lot of white blood in you, too. some white blood. i m african-american. well that s where your intelligence is coming from, you think? you think it comes from my white side? i think so. unbelievable. but for those unenthused about casting their vote for him or for democratic incumbent daniel la pinsky, an independent candidate has emerged. justin hanson joins me now on set. justin, thanks so much for being here. let s start simply you launched your campaign in your backyard and you had an unwelcome visitor. we did, we had an unwelcome visitor at our family rally. it was a group of family friends getting together to get excited about this campaign and where we re going and art jones decided to show up to the campaign rally. so what ensued? he challenged you to a debate? he came to the i was given a heads up that he might be coming to confront me at the rally that was in my backyard and he challenged me on some the idea that he tricked voters into voting for him in the primar primary. i asked him to leave my home. he challenged me to a debate on the holocaust. to debate whether or not the holocaust exists. yes, which is ridiculous. so you re running as an independent, you worked for republicans in the past. why should people vote for you over dan lipinski and what s your rationale for mounting this long shot write-in campaign. so the reason why i m running there are two reasons. because when voters in the third district go to the ballot box this november, they don t have a choice they deserve. their first choice is a nazi holocaust denying homophobic bigot white supremacist. that s the first choice. the other choice is dan lipinski. he s a nice man but he s a long time incumbent, 13 years in office, he doesn t have a good track record as far as his legislative accomplishments go and he s inadequately represented the district. the second reason why we re running is because it s just important to my wife and me that in today s day and age they re able to be a good example to our kids about what it means to stand up to hatred. that s something republicans in washington get criticism for. i cover capitol hill everyday. we re repeatedly asking republican members of congress to weigh in on the latest tweet and there was some condemnation from leadership after the charlottesville rally. do you feel like you could have a home in the republican party of donald trump or not? i don t know. i think if we are able to win in november i think it would send a loud signal to the rest of the country the voters of my district would send a loud signal to the rest of the country that people are tired of this gridlock, tired of the partisanship because a lot of people don t see themselves reflecteder fektly in either party. there s a lot of gridlock, we re not getting a lot done and i think our election would speak to that. one question some voters might have for you if they re considering not voting for democratic dan lipinski, he took a primary challenge on the issue of abortion. do you support abortion rights? abortion is a tough issue for me. it s tough as a parent and a catholic. but at the end of the day i believe that right belongs to women and that decision does not belong with the government. i am encouraged by the fact that the number of abortions sought by women every year is declining and i think everyone can agree that s a good friend that we should work to continue. justin hanson, thank you very much for being 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dates back to the middle ages to a monastery of all places and so when it became our master dictating the rhythm of our lives tick tock tick tock the cruel rule of the clock. centuries ago and in some parts of the world to this day farm hands sometimes have extended breaks. because people followed their natural clock. the working day was configured by the weather the seasons and our body rhythms. until the advent of the mechanical clock it put paid to not rober thems replacing them with a single relentless beat sixty seconds in one minute with a manmade clock now dictating time in europe christian monks are credited with inventing the first mechanical clock more than six hundred years ago so as not to miss pratt times. before that they d used candles when no one could burn down a falling metal ball the monks up. but this method of timekeeping sparked many a monastery fire. meanwhile merchants in milan florence and venice were quick to spot the benefits of mechanical timekeeping it meant optimized business management and higher profits the american inventor and later founding father benjamin franklin coined the term time is money in seven hundred forty eight o clock became the heart rate of the industrial revolution but it meant exact working hours and in banking enabled the concept of futures trading money became a time factor. but initially the time wasn t the same everywhere not even in villages a few kilometers apart train drivers and passengers had to adjust their pocket watches from station to station so functioning timetables were impossible at the same time the pace of life excel aerated as people increasingly face the race against the clock more tasks to do every hour more places to travel to and more to consume every day the internet has made everything available everywhere every second of the day or night. people may appear to have more time available today than ever before but many feel more rushed than ever before and. that s why more and more people now long to return to nature when it comes to work in line for them. to the gentle critique of their own internal clock. if only we could stop the clock get back into union with nature and in us else well some people are actually doing that or at least they re trying to a spot of us serious and my colleague takes you to a village far from the stressful wasteful wastes of the city. don t get me wrong but sometimes it can be every bit too overwhelming there s a village of three hours from where people are trying to live at one with nature as best they can it s good. i went to find out just how eco friendly this eco village is. the first thing you do after arriving is park your car outside the village. is a car free zone i m surprised to see there are any at all here but this is the countryside after all i m just trying to reach one of the villages. in fact they want pick up their landline and i can t contact them because they don t have a mobile phone. they don t use them here and as soon as i go into the room i m supposed to switch mine off. the eco village has a population of around one hundred fifty it was founded twenty years ago. i moved here from hanover these are my sort of you know the most was the traffic and all the advertising was plus the feeling of being hopelessly exposed to everything here were showing how it s possible to live sustainably injure. how does one have an enjoyable life of agony we live comfortably here but we consume far less energy than people elsewhere to save energy and the building s walls are insulated with bales of straw villages generate most of their own electricity which is also used to supply hot water and they re proud of their carbon dioxide emissions which are far below those in most parts of the world the capital c o two emissions in the millions now are just two point four tons per year although that s still too high if we are to prevent the earth warming up by more than two degrees celsius. and one of the craziest things about seeing the. compost toilet it s all of them you know combustible if. they don t use a walk up. one of the things that surprised me is that it doesn t stink because it s well integrated. i think we have. got the village isn t only energy efficient the residents also try to grow their own food. they don t use chemical pesticides and they mainly work for land the old fashioned way. and again fisher is a gardener here. so for those tiles as i say it s more ecological to work without machines so it s the logical option so that s why it s better for the soil it means less soil compaction less gasoline less dirt and smell texting until later and some of them for you in the spring and summer you feel connected to all the growth and development and they connected to life with my this only a matter of so on them and the blame i mean imagine thirty five to create is in the shade and i m always dying and i m just filming. i can t be assessing. and the villagers are certainly no. although i do get the feeling better a bit of machinery would make things more efficient. i can t see any farm animals here. but they kept strictly a. daily communal meal contains no meat because it s bad for the environment and because the vegans in the village insisted . around seventy percent of the vegetables eaten by the villagers are also grown by them and they re aiming to further increase that figure. it s really good and it s definitely one of them. in a while and instead of being thrown away the leftovers are recycled as compost the villagers who are opposed to excessive consumption are happy having a small range of foods to cover their basic needs they have a carters and bananas in the village store a luxury i m reassured that has nothing against city supermarkets as such. the range could be smaller as. is of course i really notice the abundance of products and then i have no idea what to buy or what s actually in each item. the item stock by the village store are all organically sourced so they are more expensive than their supermarket counterparts but around the corner is a place where people give things away when they no longer need them like clothes. most residents have jobs in the village itself as administrators carpenters or gardeners which means the money stays in zealand. but not everybody could afford to opt into this sustainable lifestyle not even people in germany joining the collective costs twelve thousand euros building and maintaining an eco village doesn t come cheap says ian linton isn t quite an eco topia it s a compromise solution for people flocking people to the car people use plastic packaging point is being aware of the fact that you can do more i just think that people here seem to be happy with will take their own. and figuring it out as they go as it were but he doesn t fit. in here she goes so what s the biggest challenge in that village eating vegan toilet flush or having to make do with. well that s a tough one how are you supposed to see. the way of policing your data out there for others to process and turn into hot cash but why office the e.u. has upped the pressure on online providers saying it s the use of us who own their data your data footprint is worth money time to check out how you can profit from it. for facebook and google it s easy users provide them with loads of information about themselves that companies use the data to trim ads to users probably interests but who owns that data in the european union under the new general data protection regulation the users remain owners of their own data so shouldn t they also benefit financially if social media and internet firms make money with it the american german start of data wall that has developed technology that lets internet users keep their data private and helps them to earn when the data is being used five to ten years down the road back onto this as like dark ages of data where we have no control and basically anybody could claim ownership of our data and we have no way to interfere right and i think that data in the future will be one of the most important assets for people to own and will be one of the most substantial revenue streams for data to be able to monetize a little. while the rules in the e.u. are now very tough in many countries d.d. hughes and ownership are still un break elated data wallet which is currently in the beta phase says it lets users determine themselves who can use their data. social media companies gather likes comments and status reports and use them to infer emotional states and attitudes photos that people upload are another important source of data for them. online retailers monitor shopping habits and infer preferences and lifestyles registered users of dating sites and online forums also review a lot perhaps more than they realize retailers discount cards tell the relevant parties how much money you spend. but all the data have to be processed and evaluated and that s what makes them valuable. and that s where did. brokers enter the picture. they purchase big data sets and analyze them to draw up user profiles. profiles describe individuals their fears and needs and perhaps their financial status that allows for targeted advertising tailored to our pocketbook they can describe us better than even our best friends can. cost in nola is a gator security expert and consultant he views the global market in data critically it s a huge business which benefits only a few. who has revenue of more than one hundred billion dollars a year from advertising the companies running those ads have to take in those hundred billion to pay for the ads so they add a certain amount to the products they sell so a single company isn t in hundreds or even thousands of dollars on each. it s how that. turns the tables on the online giant paid plans to have its clients manage their data via its website and earn a share if and when the data are sold. data while it is a small start up so facebook and google probably don t yet feel threatened still its agenda should alarm the big boys. we basically allow people to take all of the data create all over the internet over the hundreds of different platforms that they use put it into one profile and based upon expressive consent shared with the companies who didn t wear the shirt in the state or with so if you have your you know dataset you can sell it to one company but you can also sell it for fifty companies. it s an interesting project helping people to assert ownership of their online data well making some money in the process. now most of us have a bank account. of us will have to skype with the name admin on our balance sheet it is a dutch company that handles payments for global tech giants which is net flix facebook and e-bay from start up to industry unicorn that s kind of success story is celebrated at a competition sponsored by audience at a major european tech conference we met this year s winner to find out why size and growth. aster dam is mellow and picturesque it s also a high tech hub and hosts of the t.n. w. tech conference among the attendees are europe s fastest growing startups in scale ups many are here to impress potential investors they ve entered the tech five competition co-hosted by a young company that s already got through its initial make or break growth spurt and there is a certain level. of by hungriness europe who feels companies or people feel like you know procurement is out there i think that s a very. that s a very good attitude to be there i. founded in two thousand and six i.g.n. was floated in june its market capitalization is in the billions it offers a unified payment solution for companies operating and expanding on a global scale its clientele includes the likes of netflix and facebook as illustrated in this video companies face a deluge of different contracts because countries have very different rules that s where i didn t comes in. here companies sign one contract for their global financial transactions it s a very logical thing for all doing this to continue to invest in international expansion making sure that we support all the right payment methods because the world recently launched in kind of a for example and will continue to expand into more and more regions and the way we do that is we follow our customers needs more customers more credibility and if need be in more money from investors max larman is also familiar with that equation three years ago he founded a mattress company in frankfurt germany emma. you know me and my mattresses are designed to fit every body shape regardless of your size or sleeping position and order online and we deliver the mattress to your home in a small box and you have a one hundred day test period and the people here are tuned into the latest developments and opportunities they have began this. it s whether they re selling online services or cations or mattresses. and moving first thing we re currently consolidating opposition in some european markets and expanding into others such as denmark sweden and portugal. and emma won the tech five award for the fastest growing startup in europe there were the ever. another meteoric rise in the startup scene max lyman is twenty four and his company has already sold one hundred forty thousand mattresses in just three years. and that time its revenue has increased by fourteen thousand percent. figures that suggest a promising future but don t necessarily end the pressure to keep the company growing. so even for successful startups the pressure never lets up when at the end of the show let s just take a look at one what place fixture that literally exists to enjoy indeed pressure is resolute dextre it s mostly invisible but without it we d be in big trouble time to sing its praises. ode to the o.-ring consider the tasks assigned to be a ring in the home or gasket. between blocks of metal is cheap and often overlooked component performs an essential function to prevent leaks of fluid and gas. that is neither an easy nor a glamorous task. go through life being compressed stretched and even torn. this heather to understand hero helps drive most prized machines. if a cost stalls. tap leaks. it s so infuriating you couldn t blow a gasket. o.-ring is the answer but how does a deal with all the pressure for the most part resolutely and effectively you could even say the o.-ring holds the well together. now that s certainly a constructive form off pressure well that s it thanks for watching and join us again next week and don t forget to take time out from time to tell. the boss. hundred small fields in my cuts. where i come from rajoy remains an important means soft transmitting nuance and form ish and when i was young my country was drawing many conflicts the more prominent people most people would cause that i wanted to see if. it was my job to two in one off the lot just project say it s sold out to everyone in the town pool and listen to those against me. nothing has intrinsic to my long codea enjoying one thing more designed so long even if it s not i think not us i was it would be. my choice to be scottish because given the way told transmitted to troops. when it was in the question how much and i will. detail here. we are watching of all that took three and all in the water the food has stopped the forward in poor countries started reading education they are demanding good quality education for their children the cost what it wanted also to realize that if they have to have good quality programs and good quality consumers they need good quality skilled workforce i m very confident that in two thousand and fifty no decided on nor am i going to build a man illiterate. that is the fundamental human that does that given. the