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problem here, the multiplicity of actors who want to try donald trump. the new york attorney general already has a civil trial scheduled in her civil fraud case, for october. we also know the manhattan d.a. expects to try his case, sometime in early 2024, to spring of 2024. that hasn't been decided. jack smith, if he brings indictment against donald trump, is going to have to slide himself in, in between those existing cases, and whatever case fani willis may or may not bring. >> here's the thing, david, mike pence knows that timing too. he's watching that timing to. i thought about what is former aide, olivia troye said, to my colleague, ali velshi, sort of the same thing you and i have said, they want to have their trump and eat it too. talk to me about this high wire act, this balancing act, that mike pence is doing, where he doesn't want to alienate trump voters, but he's also saying this was wrong. >> yeah, that's right, alicia. look, the fact that there are
more specific. she said we don't need weeks and exceptions. some people want that. mike pence is out there kind of ahead of the curve, some would say extreme position, others would say this terms of how much she wants to protect the life this her view. one person we have not heard from is donald trump. he knows the abortion politics aren't the same as general politics. we will see if she's able to navigate this. she does say she has something had to other candidate can, she's a woman. she's given birth. so it's a high wire act for her, but an interesting message that she has been dieng doing on the campaign trail but was giving a full speech. >> if the dynamics aren't going that straight, i'm conseskepticu can change the primary electorate to think that.
thought out. white papers or memos, they're just sort of, you know, your guttural reaction to the news cycle in which you find yourself i'm not surprised that he's out there calling for the defunding of the fbi he has held a grudge against the fbi since he entered office, even beforehand, and i'm not surprised for that matter that lindsey graham is not with him this is part of doing business with trump when you're a republican you can excite the base, you can ride that excitement sometimes to electoral success but you have to deal with these sort of bizarre peaked policy demands, that don't really make sense, and have to try to create strategic distance. >> it's kind of like a high wire act, don't you agree, sam stein. >> constant high wire. >> good to see you thank you much. coming up, why paris protesters stormed the officers of u.s. based investment firm blackrock, and china is fuming over the state side meeting with
why the prosecutors would be surprised that costello would say that michael cohen is a liar. i mean, michael cohen has lied for his entire career for donald trump. uh so i'm not sure what new costello would have added into this. well it it makes me think he might have added very specific things that were germane to getting the grand jurors to believing this theory that the d a here has remembered. this is a seven year old misdemeanor about business records that's being contorted into a novel. felony and so my i'm not a lawyer, eli's lawyer, but i might. my instinct is in order to pull off a high wire act like that. you can have pretty good balance. and if somebody comes in and knocks you off balance, even a little. you could fall right off the falsifying business records. how serious i mean, are people i've been reading that there are a lot of people get prosecuted that for that in new york. it's a misdemeanor, as scott said, which means no one goes to prison for a misdemeanor. there is a way that it can be bumped up to what we call a class e
case, they say, we're good. we don't need to rebut him and the fact that they're considering this is a real problem. does. the grand jury is the easy part grand juries cakewalk for prosecutors. all you need is a majority, not a unanimous jury, like you would would at trial and all you have to prove your case is by probable cause down here, not beyond a reasonable doubt. so if you're struggling, a grand jury, not a good sign for trial, scott, i don't know why the prosecutors would be surprised that costello would say that michael cohen is a liar. i mean, michael cohen has lied for his entire career for donald trump. uh so i'm not sure what new costello would have added into this. well it it makes me think he might have added very specific things that were germane to getting the grand jurors to believing this theory that the d a here has remembered. this is a seven year old misdemeanor about business records that's being contorted into a novel. felony, and so my i'm not a lawyer, eli's lawyer, but i might. my instinct is in order to pull off a high wire act like that. you can have
>> i don't need to tell you -- it's not just new york you've got trump facing lega exposure in georgia as wel with the federal special counsel investigation. i mean, putting aside th forever trumpers,, right who i think are increasingly rare, how do you expect, then, the gop base to respond to a possible indictment? >> well, you have people lik ron desantis and others making the case to these primar republicans that even though they might like trump, he can' win, because we all thes troubles, because we all thi baggage. they won't condemn him explicitly, because that's the trap that republicans face right now. -- you stick to close to trump, and it's difficult when in general election but some of these candidates are gonna try this high wire act.
republicans that even though they might like trump, he can' win, because we all thes troubles, because we all thi baggage. they won't condemn him explicitly, because that's the trap that republicans face right now. -- you stick to close to trump, and it's difficult when in general election but some of these candidates are gonna try this high wire act. it's gonna be very difficult but that's the argument they'r gonna be making to the voters, alicia donald trump is damaged goods, he cannot take us back int power, you need to support m instead. >> carlos, tom, harry, thank you all so much for being with us all right. coming up, we're gonna continu to discuss this breaking new about silicon valley bank an the treasury's response. stay with us
a catastrophic injury or tons of medical bills. the guy lied, his whole life, then said what the devil's at the door i'm going to tell you the truth now and you must believe me. nancy: eric. i was going to ask about strategy of putting him on the stand. i have to say, he did a pretty good job under directed examination. the lead defense attorney had that all laid out and planned. i wonder how many hours they reversed that, it fell apart, bland. that is all we have fifth amendment right to remain silence so this does not hatch, i feel activity one step forward -- feel it was one step forward on dir directed 2 steps back on cross. >> it is a high wire act who you put your client on the
a catastrophic injury or tons of medical bills. the guy lied, his whole life, then said what the devil's at the door i'm going to tell you the truth now and you must believe me. nancy: eric. i was going to ask about strategy of putting him on the stand. i have to say, he did a pretty good job under directed examination. the lead defense attorney had that all laid out and planned. i wonder how many hours they reversed that, it fell apart, bland. that is all we have fifth amendment right to remain silence so this does not hatch, i feel activity one step forward -- feel it was one step forward on direct directed 2 steps back on cross. >> it is a high wire act who you put your client on the
a brexit dealfor northern ireland. 0ur political correspondent, iain watson, spoke to me and gave me more details. the largest unionist party in northern ireland and the most sceptical about the deal reached with the eu initially which puts, as they would see it, a border in the irish sea, these goods being checked. it looks like that'll be eased but that's not necessarily going to be enough to win them over. because of this scepticism, they will go through any deal with a fine—toothed comb and will not give to this deal in advance and stop it's a high wire act for rishi sunak because even if he reaches an agreement with ursula von der leyen and the eu commission, that might help training arrangements with northern ireland. doesn't solve the political problem because that's a lack of power—sharing in northern ireland. the institute that goes back to the good friday agreement 25 years ago. having both communities, unionists and nationalists parties, sharing power. the unionists might not severally