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from people, at least then, was oh, come on, who would try that? because you would never succeed. that is absurd. and in fact, the defense is often these, this is just a bunch of goofy guys, it was all talk. and so, you imagine the same kind of defense here. i think one of the things that makes this case more compelling, however, is that it was at the united states capitol and they were fighting hand to hand combat. i think one of the things is also the they actually got to a point closer than other cases. they were actually physically at the capitol, but as ryan said, the conviction of enrique tarrio, i think, is a really interesting point and makes this case unlike the oath keepers, a much more significant conviction because it extends it away from the capital to two planners. and as he said, and as i believe, it really ought to give merrick garland and jack smith the encouragement to think about people at the wood hotel war room or inside the oval office who might, likewise, have been planning things, even though they were in there at the capitol. >> let me follow up with you on that, since you just said that

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michigan, and a few in ohio and indiana. all were members of a militia militia group that called itself the who tyrese-ing on their website that they believe in preparing for an anti christ and in getting ready for to defending themselves. among the forces of evil the group believed was anyone in the government, beginning with local police. court documents say the group talked about ways to lure police for an attack and when one plan, they would kill a policeman, then bomb the officer's funeral procession. >> here's the thing about that case, it failed. the seditious conspiracy charges ended up getting drop against the hutaree in large part, because a case of seditious conspiracy is extraordinarily difficult to prove, even against people whose sentiments or beliefs are clearly anti government extremists. but the department of justice has met that very, very high bar with 14 of these pro trump militia members. the federal prosecutors, able to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that more than a dozen people conspired to violently overthrow the government, under what they believed to be,

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barbara located, who served as the u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, where she was the one who prosecuted that seditious conspiracy case against members of the hutaree militia. brian, let me start with you. as someone who covered this trial, and it was a complicated trial. it was a long trial. much longer than 90% of trials that have been in america. i'm pulling it out of my head, but i think that's right. were you surprised by this conclusion? >> i don't think i was terribly surprised. i was kind of surprised about who the jury actually struggled over. i mean, honestly, in my mind, it was enrique tarrio one, which was going to be the toughest struggle for them to reach on the seditious conspiracy charge. but, you know, now that it comes out, you can very much follow the logic of what the jurors it, and that's always nice to see, when you can say okay, i see what they did with the evidence here, right? in this case, i think what they saw is that the individual, dominic pezzola, who smashed that window open without stolen police shield, he wasn't in communication with so many of the other proud boys as much as the other members of this

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conspiracy work. and in fact, he only joined the proud boys pretty late in the game. only a few weeks before january 6th. itself. so, there's definitely a logic to it here, but, you know, definitely the takeaway for me and the dominick, or rather, in and re-guitar goes case, is that you now have someone who was at a baltimore hotel, who was off scene, who wasn't at the united states capitol, who's now being convicted of seditious conspiracy in connection with the attack on the capitol. and, you know, that baltimore hotel is a lot further away from the capital than 1600 pennsylvania avenue. so, i think that's definitely something that we're going to see some broader implications for him because now it's been proven that you can, in fact, get a guilty verdict from a d.c. jury on a charge involving somebody who was not actually physically at the united states capitol on january 6th itself. >> that's a really excellent point, ryan, that you're making, right? tarrio headman busted for a weapons charge, he was found with a gun. he would already been in d.c. because he had been charged with you facing a church, actually, in a previous visit

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testify that carole told her, contemporaneously, that she had been assaulted by donald trump. she recounted that she told carole not to go to the police. bloomberg, reporting she said, quote, because it was donald trump and he had a lot of attorneys. martin told the jury, quote, i thought he would bury her. now, this is a very rare circumstance in which a woman has been assaulted and confides and friends who know exactly who that person is at the time. then the jury also heard from the person himself, but only through a deposition he taped back in october. in it, he said, eugene carroll was, quote, not my type and hemus identified a picture of carole from the 90s as his ex-wife. carol's team rested their case today, as did team trump, without a defense. donald trump, at some level, knows how bad that looks, which is why he was all full of bravado on the golf course in ireland today, declaring he was going home early to confront the charges. >> i will be going back early because a woman made a claim

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to d.c. in december, right? so he definitively was not at the capitol, he's in a baltimore hotel room, and yet, a d.c. jury convicted him of this very serious crime, despite his lack of physical presence. barbara, as someone who has experience in this, knows how hard it is, what are your conclusions about the success the department of justice has had now in three different trials of obtaining this many convictions on this very difficult charge? >> it's very gratifying to see that they were able to get these convictions because as you say, chris, this is a difficult charge to prove. and there's not a lot of case law out there that can help prosecutors hang their hat on various aspects of it. and so, you know, as you mentioned, the hutaree case is one that my former office brought in 2010 and was unsuccessful. and i think one of the challenges that made it such an uphill battle is that when you argue that this group tried to oppose, by force, the authority of the united states government, i think the natural reaction

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conspiracy trial to secure the convictions of right-wing gang members related to the january 6th insurrection. nine members of the fringe extremist group known as the oath keepers were either convicted or plead guilty to seditious conspiracy in two previous cases. it is difficult to overstate how rare these kinds of convictions are. it's really unusual for prosecutors to even bring charges of seditious conspiracy. it is even more unusual for them to successfully prosecute the cases. the government has not successfully prosecuted a case like this before january 6th since the early 1990s. and the last time the government even tried, prior to january 6th, was back in the early 2010s, when they tried a group of anti-government militia members who call themselves the who tyre. >> the fbi, along with local police and other federal agents, swoop down in force over the weekend, arresting eight people, most of them in southern

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ri>> tonight on all in. >> so, we just stormed the effing capital. january 6th will be a day in infamy. >> the proud boys will stand back and stand by for sentencing. >> we have secured the convictions of leaders of both the proud boys and the oath keepers for seditious conspiracy. our work will continue. tonight, the guilty verdict for donald trump's footsoldiers and congressman, jamie raskin, on the connective tissue from the leaders of the mob, to the man who sent them. then another supreme court ethics blockbuster. the same megadonor treating clarence thomas 11th vacations and paying his mother's rent is caught paying the private school tuition that child thomas raises his son. plus, the prosecution rests in the trump civil rape trial, as the accused is offered a second chance to testify. and the mysterious case of a formerly pro abortion north

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proud boys pretty late in the game. only a few weeks before january 6th. itself. so, there's definitely a logic to it here, but, you know, definitely the takeaway for me and the dominick, or rather, in and re-guitar goes case, is that you now have someone who was at a baltimore hotel, who was off scene, who wasn't at the united states capitol, who's now being convicted of seditious conspiracy in connection with the attack on the capitol. and, you know, that baltimore hotel is a lot further away from the capital than 1600 pennsylvania avenue. so, i think that's definitely something that we're going to see some broader implications for him because now it's been proven that you can, in fact, get a guilty verdict from a d. c. jury on a charge involving somebody who was not actually physically at the united states capitol on january 6th itself. >> that's a really excellent point, ryan, that you're making, right? tarrio headman busted for a weapons charge, he was found with a gun. he would already been in d. c.

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