coverage today blake burman on how responding to the today meeting and ashley when it comes to iran s oil the u.s. may already be winning. we begin with blake. hi there, maria. as you know the trump administration is trying to carve out a deal as it relates to denuclearization of the korean peninsula with north korea. as that is happening, iran is warning north korea that the united states, in their words, cannot be trusted. the iranian leader hasan rouhani meeting earlier this week with a top diplomat from north korea and this was how that meeting was relayed as it comes from iranian state media. one quote: quoting hasan rouhani, quote: the u.s. administration performance in these years has led the country to be considered untrust one way or the other anuntrustworthy andunreliable ad which does not meet any of its obligations it comes as the trump administration has level idea new sanctions against iran and says more sanctions will be coming in 90 days from now on going to put in place loom large. they will begin november the 5th. indian oil exports 6.6 million barrels last year. taking a look at the oil chart right there. oil is kind of drifting sideways right now as this all plays out. look at the indian oil imports from 2017. 6.6 million brought in from the u.s. this year up to 06 million barrels while it cuts back on iranian oil. now, let s talk about iran s oil production. it s opec s third largest producer. 3.8 million barrels per day closer to 2 million barrels right now. 50% of that production goes to china and india. so if independent i can t is cutting back on iranian oil. that hurts more than 60% of the all of the revenue from exports comes from oil and that, by the way, as we know is really starting to pinch the iranian economy. i want you to take a look at this headline that was in the daily express in the u.k. this week. that say iran s revolution is coming as 100,000 rush to the streets chanting death Business news and analysis. that would mean that they recognized that it was a bad deal. the united states pulling out was, in fact, the right thing to do. they view it as a saving face method. so the iranians are going to take several months doing nothing before they would begin to create the conditions by which in a face saving measure they could come back to the negotiating table and renegotiate that treat were with economic sanctions being relieved. by the same token, the north koreans are going to be observing this. they know that the united states is going to continue to demand that they denuclearize. when you look at the second thing that s the shadow over all of this, look at the pressure we are putting on china economically with the tariffs. that is playing in to this as well because china is the backer for north korea s nuclear program. they aided and abetted it for years and now it s time for that price to be paid as well. maria: north korea is denouncing the united states for what it s calling, quote: outdating acting script. you think the president s continues to spiral down in iran. normal people are going to start stepping out into the street. then iranian leadership is going to have to sit down and say where can we cut back on a regional engagements to destabilize that area and begin to bring some of those forces and some of the money home so that they can provide the basic services whether it s water, sewage, garbage collection. it s the simple stuff that is going to take down that regime, not the complicated far-flung worldwide stuff. maria: yeah. because the people are watching the leadership use money on weaponry. and use money for things other than actually supporting the people. absolutely. and they are well aware. they are not in a bubble like north korea. right. they do have access to the internet. to the radio, to worldwide communications. so the people in iran who are tend to be very well educated throughout the middle east are very aware of what is going on with their country. their engagements worldwide and the fact that they are not being taken care of home and that the leadership there is the ones responsible for the fact that they can t get the basic services. maria: all right, commander lippold, good to see you as always. thank you very much for weighing in here. we will keep watching. we are a few moments away from the president s round table on prison reform. rick leventhal is in brooklyn heights, new jersey where the president is and while he will be doing that round table momentarily he has the very latest. rick? well, maria, i m watching the feed from the pool camera at the trump national golf club in nearby bedminster. we are waiting for this meeting to start and to allow the pool camera access to that meeting. it s one in a series of meetings that the president has held on prisoner reform. there was one at the white house back in january. and then another one last week with faith leaders about how to adjust the prison justice system. perhaps reduce the minimum mandatory sentences for some inmates. try to give people a second bite at the apple as one publication put it. so this is a meeting now some of these mandatory minimum sentences that some have argued are way out of line. in fact, you may recall back in may the reality star kim kardashian actually had a meeting at the white house with the president because she was appealing on behalf of a woman alice maria johnson who was serving a mandatory life sentence in prison. she was a first-time nonviolent offender. was a middle man, if you will, in a drug transaction. and was serving life in prison. so, tim kardashian went to the white house to try to get the president to pardon her sentence. did he, in fact, give her clemenciy a week later and she is out of prison and back with family members. that s an example of the kinds of things that apparently that the president wants to accomplish to get people who shouldn t maybe spend the rest of their lives in prison to get them out of prison. save the taxpayers some money and give people a second chance. maria: all right. we will leave it there. rick leventhal. thank you. sure. director wray next week and ask him what is the policy? why didn t you tell president trump that you had concerns about carter page? is there a double standard here? if this was a counter intelligence investigation, not a criminal investigation, the fbi should have told president trump they had concerns about papadopoulos and page. why didn t they do for trump what they did for feinstein? maria: that was south carolina republican senator lindsey graham on fox news last night. he wants answers from the fbi on why california democratic senator dianne feinstein got a tip about a possible chinese spy working in her office. by the way he had been working for her for 20 years. yet, president trump didn t get the same warning about the carter page situation and carter page possibly being a russian spy. attorney jana ellis sees a double standard here. good afternoon. good to see you. good to see you, maria. thanks for having me. maria: it s a head scratcher what went on in the 2016 election we know that there was real sketchy stuff going on at the top of the fbi and the doj. your thoughts on what should have been done in terms of carter page and the wiretapping going on? yeah, absolutely. i mean, there is a perception of a double standard and perception dictates reality for most americans. i mean, the traditional values that we all cherish, which is the lack of bias, trust, fundamental legitimacy in our law enforcement agents, i mean, that s what matters to every american family. and at the james dobson family institute where i work, we hear from american families daily their issues and things they want to hear from in terms of judicial reform with these kinds of issues. and i think that for american families when they re seeing in type of overt bias and that the bias depends on whether you are democrat vs. republican, that s incredibly problematic for the fbi and for law enforcement when their oath of office is to maintain the integrity of the investigation and not whether a d or an r is after your name. and the examples just keep coming. i mean, when we have hillary clinton who is not really being investigated, there has been no no prosecution and there s mountains of evidence for her emails, her server, all of the problems we see the overt bias between strzok and page. and then yet, there is not one shred of evidence that any sort of collusion or crime happened for president trump s campaign or on behalf of his administration and, yet, the mueller investigation is still going on. why would president trump agree to sit down with muriel. imueller. i have been a defense attorney. no competent counsel would ever advise that. that s just lending credibility to his assertion that at this point it is a witch-hunt and i think the american people want closure to this and they want to see justice. because that really is a pre-political value that s a traditional value that s something that our constitution actually stands for in terms of due process. we want equal protection under the law. equal protection should not depend on your political registration and affiliation. maria: yeah, at this point we continue to see all of this evidence and given the fact that the special counsel is looking at collusion or potential collusion, budget he wan wouldnt to look at why hillary clinton campaign paid for the dossier which was used to wiretap carter page? he should: we hope. so and this is where a special counsel and a prosecutor s higher obligation of ethics should dictate to go wherever the evidence leads. regardless of where that leads. and so the fact that he is so focused on manafort and that trial has become much more about his involvement in just the very, very quick tenuous involvement with the trump campaign, rather than any sort of evidence against hillary, the fact that muriel is so focused on trump, rather than going where the evidence leads, shows his bias as a prosecutor. and, again, just undermines the legitimacy of law enforcement, the doj and the finn. i hope there is accountability and the mueller investigation at this point come out. it needs to close in terms of investigating trump. but, rather, look at where the evidence is leading with hillary, the dossier, the emails, the servers, all of those things, all of the american people are wondering what s happening there. maria: right. you are right there. was not really an investigation into what hillary clinton did. we know that at this point. and, what s interesting now is these new this new information that dianne feinstein had a driver who ended up being more than a driver. one of her assistants for 20 years that was a chinese spy. and the california republican, devin nunes points out that feinstein was briefed amid the concerns that one of her staff members was possibly working as a chinese spy. and, yet, the fbi had drastically deviating from standard operations by not giving donald trump and the campaign a defensive briefing on the russia situation. yeah, i think senator graham is right to ask christopher wray what is going on here and what the doj s policy when you have someone from the democratic party who clearly is being shown favoritism from the fbi and then have you candidate from one of the two major political parties in america not being given the same treatment. maria: right. that s where have you the overt bias. that s what s fundamentally problematic and really undermines the legitimacy and trust in law enforcement and really, frankly, in the government to all americans. because we all understand justice. we all understand fairness. and even little children understand what fair and what s not. and when you have a law enforcement situation that is treating one party differently than the other, that s really problematic. and so the democrats know that it s there. they are just benefiting from the bias. so they are not willing to call it out at this point. jenna, good to see you. thank you very much for weighing in. we appreciate your insight. thank you, maria. maria: we are in new jersey where the president is about to hold a round table discussion with on prison reform with leaders. we will take you there live. alexandria ocasio-cortez headed to hawaii to stump for another democratic socialist tonight. as she is pushing for socialism here ambassador nikki haley is looking at venezuela and exposing the crisis happening there. back in a minute. you might take something for your heart. or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. does it look like i m done? 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very successful. i hope it s going to be successful. i also want to recognize secretary rick perry and alex across attachment thank you very much. we are doing some great things with healthcare alex you are doing wonderful things with energy. it s going to help a lot of people. a lot of jobs are going to be created. i know you are working on it. i look forward to hearing from each of you about your experiences with prison reform. and the lessons that we have learned. i know how matt and in particular, you have been working so hard, phil, you have been working long and hard on it harder than anyone would know. but i can tell you my administration feels very, very strongly about it one of the single most important things we are doing is to help former inmates in creating jobs. we re creating so many jobs former inmates for the first time are really getting a shot at it because they weren t sought and now they are being sought because our unemployment rate is so low. historically low. 50 years. now, our economy is booming. businesses are hiring, and recruiting workers that were previously overlooked at being hired. it s a great feeling. it s a great thing that we have all accomplished. we have created a lot of jobs in the states and i guess i have helped you a lot on a national basis. we have created 3.9 million more jobs since election day. it s almost 4 million jobs. which is unthinkable. if i would have said that during the campaign, only a few of the people around this table would have believed me. but they would have. 3.9 million jobs since election day. that s pretty incredible. we have added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election. manufacturing employment is now growing faster than at any time that it has in three decades, over 30 years. through the pledge of america s workers, launched just last month, almost 5 million americans will receive enhanced career training and opportunities and i want to thank ivanka trump for having done an incredible job on that. she has really worked hard on it. it s something very important to her. i have said it to a lot of people. i want to thank jared for what s happening on prison reform because have you really been leading it. something very close to your heart. and as i have said before, we hire americans. we want to hire and treat our americans fairly. for many years jobs have been taken out of our country. we have lost our businesses. we have lost the hiring abilities that we had. not anymore. now those companies are coming back. they are coming roaring back. to your state, to your state. they are coming back faster than anyone thought even possible. our first duty is to our citizens, including those who have taken the wrong path. brew seeking redemption and a new beginning. that s people that have been in prison and to come out and having a hard time. they are not having such a hard time anymore. we passed the first step act through the house and we are working very hard in the senate to refine it and pass it into law. we think we will be successful in that regard. the bill expands vocational educational programs to eligible federal inmates so that more of them can learn a trade and that s what we re doing. we re teaching them trades. we are teaching them different things that they can put into good use and put into use to get jobs. i recently met with chairman grassley and other members of congress to discuss the bill. we also agreed that we must be tough on crime, especially on criminals and trafficking of drugs and lots of other trafficking. we have a trafficking problem including human trafficking. we are very, very tough on that. that s going to remain tough or even tougher. we must strengthen community bonds with law enforcement including cities like chicago that have been an absolute and total disaster. we ll be talking about chicago today because that is something that, in terms of our nation, nobody would believe it could be happening. 63 incidents last weekend and 12 deaths. that s bad stuff happening probably i guess you have to take from the leadership. there is no reason in a million years that something like that should be happening in chicago. we want every child to grow up in a safe neighborhood surrounded by families that are loving and helpful and with a path to great education and a lifelong career. i want to thank everybody for being here and i think what we ll do while the media is here maybe we will go around the room real quickly and introduce yourselves and these are people that have really worked hard on prison reform and lots of other things. but, on prison reform. and that s largely what this meeting is about. governor, please. thank you, mr. president. i appreciate the opportunity to be here. we are very pleased at what s happening in georgia. we have seen, since i became governor, a 10% decrease in violent crime in our state 20% year all decrease in crime. we have seen our african-american percentage in our prison system drop significantly for african-american black males has dropped almost 30%. that s good. black females dropped about 38.2%. our african-american commitments to our prison is at the lowest level it has been since 1987. and in states like ours, we have a disproportionate number of minorities in our prison vs. our population as a whole. we have found that reentry is a vital part of this a question i asked i asked what s the most common characteristic of those in our prisons, the answer was 70% of them never graduated from high school. so we mediately concentrated on that. we have significantly beefed up our geds and brought a private charter school into our systems and teach them and give them a real high school diploma. we found if you give them a blue collar skill, you reduce your recidivism rate by 24%. if you give them just the education getting a high school diploma, it s ruled by 19%. so, we have been very successful, we re pleased about it, and we re pleased to share whatever information we have that might be helpful. thank you very much. pam? president, pam bondy, attorney general of florida. thank you for doing. this as a career prosecutor, you see people who go to prison and get out of prison and can t find a job. and how do we expect people to succeed without being able to get a job. and you were just in tampa, thank you for that. tampa bay tech supporting jobs for young people. and that s what s so important is reentry and being able to get a job and training people on how to be successful. and so something we did in florida shortly after i got elected was decoupled if you were a convicted felon you couldn t get occupational license. how do we expect to you succeed. so thank you for what you are doing. thank you, pam. thank you very much. we are proud of the work we have done prison reform refocus on reentry. and for the first time in 20 years i can tell that you louisiana does not have the highest incarceration rate in the nation today. good. it s paying dividends for us. who does? oklahoma. really? but we are reinvesting the savings into our reentry program and also into victim services. so we re excited about what we are doing looking forward to sharing that with you. thank you very much. thank you john bel edwards. mr. president governor of north dakota. thank you for coming to north last month. things are looking good. things are looking great thanks to a lot of the qualities from this administration and great cabinet that you have. as you know can t really separate today prison reform and our prison situation from addiction. in north dakota. 100% of the women that are incarcerated in our prison system have the disease of addiction. 85% of the men in our prison have disease of addiction. and we can t solve the healthcare of con frick healthcare problem with punishment. we have got to solve it, treat it like a disease and solve it that way. right. so i want to also thank you for the work that your administration is doing on the addiction front because it ties directly back into this number of innovations we would like to share at this round table today. sure. in the end we are trying to create better neighbors. not better prisoners. 98.5% of the people in prison end up coming back out. when they re there, like the other governors have talked about is education. it s career skills. it s treatment. those are things we have to focus on. if we can do that we can turn people s lives around and add people to the workforce. we know we need that because we have so many jobs open in this country. thank you very much, governor. ken paxton, texas attorney general. thank you mr. president. this is obviously an important issue to texas. i think it s an important issue to the nation. jared, i appreciate your passion for this issue. 2007, under the leadership of, i think the greatest governor of my lifetime, secretary of energy. [laughter] and the president of our top public policy foundation. we passed legislation similar to what congress is now looking at that has had a dramatic impact on our ability to take people from prison into productive lives. i can site many statistics but we were facing spending $2 billion and we didn t spend the money we put 240 million into treatment and into helping people find jobs. we have expanded that since. but it s made a tremendous difference. we have not built any more new brifns since then. we have actually closed 8 prisons. it s really made a difference. and i think it can make a difference for our nation. i look forward to continuing the discussion. how are you doing with your recently filed case? how is that looking? well, we had a hearing yesterday and i think went quite well. we will see what the judge says. we know we are right on the law and the constitution. we are confident that things are going to go on the right way. it s true. thank you, mr. president, phil bratton, mississippi. in 2014 we began our right on crime program. we used all the things that georgia has been successful with and texas, i call both of these governors and said tell me how did you it i m a former law enforcement officer. i worked undercover narcotics cases. i have been about out there with the worse of the worse. i have put a lot of people in jail. some of it was difficult particularly when i was state auditor and state government officials stated employees went to jail for white collar crime. we began a strong program working with the pew institute of putting that workforce training program into effect. making sure that we looked at addiction. mental health. mental health challenges within the correctional facilities are obviously rampant. also trying to make prisons a drug-free zone. and a crime-free zone within that prison so you can t your life can t be threatened every day. you can t be attacked in prison. you can t have access to drugs and be rehabilitated. and then finally the faith based organization. it takes a change of heart. and i have been around a lot of people who are in jail. and if their hearts aren t changed, they re lives will not be changed. so, prison ministries, all of those things that government doesn t like to admit to that works. right. works. and so when we bring faith back in to the prison system, and prisoners have hope again. that worked better for us than anything we could have done, another reentry program, getting jobs, getting driver s license, keeping them connected with their families so they have something to work towards getting out of prison. and i can tell you i had to call a lot of my republicans into the governor s office and convince them to vote for this bill they everywhere worried it was soft on crime and hesitant about what they were going to tell their people back home. i said you tell them to call me. because, crime is down 6%. we have 3,000 less inmates. we saved $40 million sings 2014. and you can do the same thing and, jerry, thank you for your leadership. thank you. thank you, mr. president. mr. secretary? mr. president, i would like to make two key points first as you mentioned, the economy is doing incredibly well. for the first time since we have been keeping records, we have more open jobs than we have people to fill those jobs. right. and so these programs are needed for the economy. we have jobs ready and waiting for individuals when they leave prison. second, i would like to follow up on what some of the governors have said u these programs work. as you know and as everybody at the table knows i was a u.s. attorney in miami. and when you talk with the law enforcement community, what they will tell is you that these programs foster public safety. when someone leaves prison, the best that can happen for them is for them to find a job. the best that can happen to society is for them to find a job and start contributing to society rather than go back to the old way of crime. this is very much a win-win for the individual. it s for the safety of the community. and for the economy of the nation. you have individuals that are going from a prison system where the taxpayer is funding the system to contributing members of society that are we are working various governors. we have put out a request for proposal. we got so many so many applications from various governors on programs that are very much outside the box that this fall we intend to put out another request for proposal. on another round of reentry efforts. so i want to thank the governors and i want to thank all that are working on this issue. have you been great and your healthcare plan is going along beautifully. that is really doing something. are you surprised by the nuns you are hearing? it is. just this morning i read an article mentioning a number of associations around the country one in wisconsin, certainly one in nevada that are already forming these and yesterday i was talking with some of the governors here about the various activity in their state. so it s moving very nicely. it s been great. thank you, alex, very much. brook? well, thank you so much. mr. president, we re so happy to be here. i tell you i am overwhelmed and sown courage you had. these governors are real innovators and entrepreneurs and what they have done is this idea of the laboratories of democracy that in the states we have moved so many issues forward that now the federal level honored to be a part of your team in the federal level we cannot see what s happening in the state. what is working and basically lifting people to a better life of the forgotten men and women of this country and having lived it in texas beside this two great men for more than a decade. we have seen firsthand how it changes lives and gives people second chances and puts communities back together and keeps families together. thank you for the opportunity. thank you. mr. president, thank you for bringing her on board. i think you are seeing on a daily basis what a talent she is. dealing with these issues. two things that i want to share with the table and with you and with the general public and one is it s because of those tax policies because of those regulatory policies that you push through. we got more people working in america than never before. [applause] awesome. we have to have that. because if these programs are to work when the folks get out of prison, for they don t go to prison to begin with, and that s our real goal. and i want to share with these governors around here, every one of them are courageous because i heard it when we were doing this back in texas. in the early and mid 2,000s that, you know, we thought you were tough on crime. nobody ever got me confused with being soft on crime. you know, i sign more execution orders than probably any governor in the history of this country. and that s a sad thing. but it s a fact. so i m not soft on crime. but i like to say we were smart on crime in texas because we put these programs in to place and young people, whose lives would be destroyed if we sent them on to prison and that s where they really become professional criminals. and we never allowed that to happen. weigh gave them a second chance. and so texans now really understand if we shut down 8 prisons, saving some 3 plus billion dollars a year in prison costs. and conservatives look at that now and go that was smart on crime. and, pam, that s what people will say about you, mr. president is number one, have created this climate where people can have a job and have hope for the future. and, finish with this. is that you pass that piece of legislation that does clearly reforms the prison system and i will suggest to you from my perspective, that sentencing reform is part of that as well. and then you have the ability to show this country and then these laboratories of innovation, you know, when doug goes back up to north dakota and he puts in for his state the right programs, and it s not, you know, top down, but have you sent the right message that fellows here s the way to reform your prison system. we re not going to be in the way. we are not going to be a hurdle for you and you all figure out how to do the rest of the way. and this country, i mean, can be incredibly proud of what they are doing for the next generation of people to come along. and these governors are going to be a real key part of it. thank you, rick. very good. thank you very much. how is it going energy wise? i will tell you i don t know how it could be much better. [laughter] the people around the world, we are selling lng in 30 countries on five continents. john, a lot in is headed to a lot of places. doug, number two oil producer in the world, i should say in the united states, texas. we re catching you. and we want you to. come on. give us your best shot. but, things are going good, sir. i mean, it is a massive jobs being created we got the opportunity to i don t want to get us off track here oil and gas infrastructure if there is one thing we collectively and these governors will tell that you as well we will produce it getting it out of this country is the challenge right now we have become number one over the world last period of time. we have made it easier. yet, environmentally perfect. we have become number one in the world. we are now a net exporter which nobody thought they would ever hear. and we are doing a lot of good things for a lot of other countries. thank you very much. have you done a great job. thank you. matt? mr. president, i just want to thank you again for convenes this not just once, not just twice but on multiple occasions. i had a chance to meet a number of folks around this table. a comment was made early on by you and your introductory comments about the fact that this is a war where people can be lined up on the same side and most powerful thing about this and something that i hope those in the media appreciate i look at a guy john bel edwards in louisiana represent different parties than i do in kentucky in terms of our political affiliation. this is something very much we are of like mind on. this transcends anything political. again, i tip my hat to you for not only on this issue but on others bringing things to the political forefront that aren t political. historically been ignored because they weren t political and nobody got any points politically by doing them but that they were the right thing to do. as some have gone around this table and touched on, it isn t just the fact that it s smart on crime or that it s financially prudent because it is all of those things, but it s the right thing to do. just the human dignity of giving people, this is a land of second chances and of opportunity to rebuild your life. and you are giving us, through this conversation, and the kind of things that you are pushing from the federal level the encouragement from the bottom up to give millions and millions of americans a chance at redemption. and it s, i think, the greatest gift we can offer people. and it s something that, again, for all the economic reasons we have just mentioned we desperately need, these are able body offed men and women 95 to 97% of the 2 million currently in prison are going to get out. what are they going to do? are we going to give them a path to stay out or are they going to go right back in? some of the things we have done in kentucky is literally start training programs inside of the prison system because one of the things we do have two twins that are going off to college in the next couple of weeks and every one of them from the beginning they get to college they have a guidance counselor that is helping them chart their path. i truly think it s something we need to do within our prison system. because we re spending just as much for every person in a prison system as we are for a kid in college. why not give them a path for them personally to make sure they don t come back to this place but that they go out and become productive tax paying citizens who contribute and become good mothers and fathers and community members. these are the kind of things that this will afford us the chance to do. again, i truly appreciate this. it s something personally that i have a passion for and for you and your administration, jared, really, kudos to you because have you done such stellar job of bringing this to the forefront and gathering us together. i m grateful to the two of you for making this possible. thank you, matt. i have to say we have tremendous political support. it surprises me. i thought that when we started this journey about a year ago i thought we wouldn t have a lot of political support. we would have to convince people. we have great political support who see what s happening. people that i would least suspect behind it 100 percent. that s a good thing. thank you all for being here. thank you all very much. thank you. thank you very much. thank you, everyone. mr. president mr. collins being indicted? are you. mr. president mr. president, any response to chris collins? thank you. please exit. mr. president, are you going to sit down with robert mueller? thank you. let s go. thank you. thank you. pra maria that s the president s round table on prison reform. we heard all of the participants speak joining for reaction pastor darrell scott thank you for joining us today, sir, your reaction to what the president is trying to do here? well, first of all, i think the meeting today with the state leaders proves that this past meeting the president had with the inner city pastors was not simply a photo op. he has a genuine concern for prisoners, for american in prison reform i know that for fact. i was on a meeting with him last year on prison reform. no one advocated for the prisoners more vociferously than the president did. he believes in giving them a second chance and another chance. he also believes that jobs and better living conditions and better environments will help cus curb that recidivism rate. hats off to jared kushner. he has been working tirelessly on prison reform. i really believe they are making positive strives. maria: what s most important to you then, pastor. is he talking about supporting broader sentencing reform. what does that mean to you? well, when i first was in meetings with the president and jared kushner about prison reform, we brought out the fact that it s bigger than that. that more so than just prison reform. we need criminal justice reform. you remember during the campaign that 1994 clinton crime bill was disappointing incarcerated that s on top of nearly $60 million it has provided for the crisis. she blames president nicolas maduro, in an exclusive tv interview with fox news, and says it s past time for him to leave. what we are trying to do here is help the people. we can raise their voices. maduro s regime persists but venezuelans are telling us there is that even more severe crackdown in that country after an assassination attempt this past week and on maduro. maria: thank you. rich edson in the ground in bogota. joining me is a woman with the independent women s forum and kennedy. great to see you. when we talk about socialism versus capitalism, you don t really hear the cost of socialism all that much, kennedy. i am listening to alexandria ocasio-cortez talk about free everything, but you never hear who was going to foot the bill. you have the urban institute, the mercator center, even vox have done analyses. not only medicare for all but also free college tuition. vox said it s about a $42 trillion proposition over two years. she has not been adequate in her explanation. other than saying we can fund endless wars. does that mean you re going to limit government funding completely and take $500 billion and somehow move that to your pet project? that doesn t come close to covering some of the things, these great intention, good feelings that are unsustainable. maria: while people are fleeing socialism in venezuela venezuela it is deadly. maria: she is pushing it in the u.s. patrice lee, joining. this is what happens when the jewel of south america wasted its oil reserve, wasted its prosperity through socialist policies, read distribute wealth and private property. overtaking private companies. this is what happens. it s surprising to see what s happening to these people. i sigh reported that on average people lost 24 pounds last year because of malnutrition. evil can find food to buy people can t find food to buy. i don t want to see the united states wasting its wealth and prosperity chasing after redistribution. maria: kennedy, do you think people understand applications? i think people like alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders, they get a lot of attention. bernie struck more record in 2016 when the economy wasn t doing as well as it is now. it s a tough sell in a good economy. their people fleeing venezuela, pouring into columbia who want to say we want to work, people in this country are finding the same thing. it s better to have the opportunity to create your own economic mobility as opposed to relying on a government that will exhaust its tax base very quickly. maria: going into the midterms, patrice, do you think the american people understand we are talking about here and understand the implications of socialism? they do. a recent poll found more than half of americans want government policies that expand opportunities rather than deal with income inequality. bernie sanders come in 2011, was hailing venezuela as an example of how socialism works. it s surprising how quiet he is right now. i think it s very wrong. it s right to want to ensure people have opportunity and have a good paying job and can take care of their families, but it s not the right avenue to take other people s property and wealth and income and sprinted around equally. you are just spreading equal misery, not equal prosperity. maria: we look at the democratic party today, kennedy my you re not going to be able to resonate with the leadership and let you go all the way to the left. that s right. the national thrust of the democrat party is becoming more more progressive. most people like gavin newsom and kamala harris take a larger role. then you have local races where people like danny o connor and conor lamb running on local issues, they had to be more moderate and certainly more fiscally conservative because that s what their constituents want. maria: kennedy, patrice lee, thank you. we appreciate it. that will do it for us for today. thank you for joining me. catch me tomorrow morning on the fox business network. 6:00 to 9:00 a.m. stay with fox news. the five is with his next accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise their rates because of their first accident. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. experience the versatility of utility, with a range of suvs perfect for any adventure, at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. your digestive system has billions of bacteria but life can throw them off balance. re-align yourself with align probiotic. and try new align gummies with prebiotics and probiotics to help support digestive health. and it s also a story mail aabout people and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you oh! oh! ozempic®! 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The latest news from around the world with hosts John Berman and Poppy Harlow. that he was not trying to lead them in the direction of believing the law said you had to have an actual loan granted in a case like this. only that manafort had a applied for that law with fraudulent information, poppy. got it. joe, before you go, it s also intriguing that we learned that rick gates is not only required to testify as part of this plea deal with mueller team, in this trial he s required to help with the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. the prbroader russia probe. that s part of his cooperation deal in all of this. what do we know about that requirement? reporter: what we know is that mr. gates has to cooperate. he has to cooperate fully. we also know that there was a discussion earlier in the trial when he was being questioned by prosecution or defense. i believe it was the defense and he was asked if he had been talked if he had talked to the fbi about the campaign. there was a brief bench conference, discussion with the judge and the attorneys and that was the end of it. now we do know that attorneys have asked for that portion of the bench conference to be sealed so that information about this ongoing investigation can t get out. we do not know the substance. all we know is there was a discussion about it. joe johns at the courthouse. thank you. now, let s talk to experts, federal and while cal lollar attorneys. thank you for waking up early for me this morning. 10:00 a.m., it s not that early. i know you like to snooze. let me get your read on why to be some potential jeopardy here. i think he said as much himself. i assume like the other people mueller has interviewed, he interviewed another person that worked for stone. it s to get some further insights into whether he has any links to the people who hacked and dumped those e-mails. right. on that point, sometimes attorneys are often, they will hold their one of their bigger targets, if you re a target of this, till the end. now, oddly, maybe, stone told and anderson cooper he s not been contacted. does it surprise you? it doesn t surprise me. if he is the target of an investigation which we don t know. typically targets don t go into talk to investigators or not subpoenaed before the grand jury because they have a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. i think this manhattan madame story is that roger stone was an unindicted person in the most recent indictment that bob mueller put down. he s the one that had contact with guciffer 2.0. i think clearly if this manhattan madame was intimate with mr. stone around that time period, that s what mueller will want to know. when you look at what joe just described, the side bar conversation that happened earlier this week tied to rick gates, the star prosecution witness, as it pertains to the question that was asked of him by the defense in terms of his role in the trump campaign, tie all those threads together for me. a lot of people pointed out, defern defenders say this all proceeds their work for trump. goes right up to the line of them working for trump. it s all about violations and a alleged fraud that happened during their years of work in ukraine. the one question we have all had is after gates service to mueller in this manafort trial is over, did he also and is he also working with mueller on the question of collusion and giving mueller information about his role as the deputy for the trump campaign. remember, gates stayed in the campaign longer than manafort. he was there after manafort left. he knows a lot. we don t know what was said in that side bar. it seems to suggest that the government wanted to keep it priva private, and it gave under the circumstances one of the first hints that he s not finished with his work for the government after this manafort trial but the next phase of this, the phase we ve been waiting for, the question of collusion, mueller s not finished with that and gates may be an important source of information on that question. gates may be an important source of information. the president could be very important. it s now been eight months of back and forth about whether the president will sit for this interview. rudy giuliani had dinner with the president last night. you can imagine that the two spoke about this. what s your read on where this goes? at some point you ve just got to say it s going to happen or it s not? absolutely. my personal opinion is this is all theatrics. the implication that the president wants to sit down with mueller and his team but the only thing holding him back is his attorneys. i don t think they ever had any intention of having trump sit down. we know he has a very unique relationship with the truth. he s not going to be able to tell the whole truth and accurate truth in a conversation. he s just not going to. i likely think if mueller really wants to talk to trump, this will get to a subpoena. he will take it all the way up to the supreme court? absolutely. if he really needs the testimony, he will. i think the law is on his side. you have the nixon precedent. it was different because it was documents. it was an 8-0 verdict. nobody is above the law. i think clearly you could take from that that the supreme wort cou would rule he has to sit. what he said about presidents can be tried whether or not they re in office. for another day. thank you very much. still to come, the nfl is back. pre-season games took place last night. the protests are also back. players taking knees or staying in the locker room during the national anthem. the president weighing in on all of it this morning. charlotteville, virginia on high alert. the entire state this weekend as they prepare for the one year mark since the deadly protests. from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills 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they tried to put a rule in place and now once again they don t have a rule. the nfl released a statement saying how they enforce their national anthem policy was on hold while they continue to have discussions with the players on how to handle this. in the meantime that means there s no punishment for players demonstrating during the anthem. last night multiple players around the league did so before the first pre-season game. that is dolphins wide receivers taking a knee before the game. steel kneeled the past two seasons. he spoke about the decision to continue to do it after the game. being a part of this protest hasn t been easy. i thought i was going to be by myself out there. i had an angel with me with albert being out there. i m grateful that he sees what s happening and he wants to stand up and do something about it as well. colin kaepernick said my brother continued his protest of systemic oppression tonight by taking a knee. stay strong, brothers. elsewhere around the league according to reports, four players raised their fist while several others remained in the locker room before taking the field. now back in may the owners agreed to national anthem policy where teams would be fined if players did not stand for the national anthem. then the teams would vi individually decide how to punish their own players. after outrage the league decided to put this policy on hold while they work it without the players union. only jerry jones has said his players have to stand for the national anthem. stay with me. let me jump over to abbey phillip. walk us through his reaction in a little more detail this morning. reporter: the president tweeting saying the players are unable to define what they are outraged about and demanding they stand proudly for the national anthem or be suspended without pay. this is the president of the united states, not the owner of an nfl team. for a year now, president trump has been hammering on this issue. day by day. every opportunity he gets to bring up this issue because it plays well with his base. it s coming at a problematic time for the president. we re at the one year anniversary of the the charlottesville protest where white supremist got himself in some trouble about his inability to address what was wrong with the protesters. president trump is going into another weekend, the one year anniversary stoking racial divisions in this country and raising a lot of questions about whether or not this is just politically motivated or if he has any interest in addressing some of these racial divides that these protests are these players are protesting about. that s right. at the same time that he just had this round table yesterday on criminal justice reform and the prison population, so many more african-americans, five times than white vinj viindivid. we are having action but have some rhetoric match that. nice so have you both here. what struck me from what the president said is this line. numerous players from different teams wanted to show their, quote, he puts quote around outrage as if they re not. as something most of them is unable to define. that something is social justice. that s something i, as a white woman, in this country hasn t had to live through and deal with. this is coming from a white man, a white president saying these players, african-americans don t get it. on the anniversary of michael brown s murder. yesterday marked four years since michael brown which was another flash point. trayvon, another flash point. to say they can t define it when we re living in these horrific moments of black boys and men being shot by state, by dying. the fact that they are on the field taking a knee and standing and saying that here they go again. it s here he goes again. we weren t surprised there was going to be some backlash. it seemed particularly poignant how out of touch he is with what plaque pl black players are feeling. when she said he s in trouble. i don t think he is. trump is acutely aware of how to play into, to exploit white panic and pathology to his advantage. there s no repuercussions on hi side. the wall street journal reporting when jerry jones, who has mandated the players stand, when he was deposed in matter, he said in this deposition that president trump told him on a phone call at one point talking ant the kneeling that this issue quote, the president said this one lifts me. meaning he believes this is good for him politically. absolutely. we can see that when he came down the stairs and talked about mexicans being rapists, he let us know what his core values were. not really his core values, his core strategy. there s a political strategy in stoking the base in this very particular way. white panic, white pathology and it s been proven that he doesn t get any backlash from it. a week later, he can be after charlottesville, he was talking about the nfl. to you and the nfl, the president said be subject to suspension and no pay. that is not what the nfl is doing. they have totally, i think it s a fact to say that bungled this one with the policy and then no policy. where does it stand? you said it right. they had no policy. they came up with a policy and then there was outrage. right now they say they are having discussions. the owners are in a tougher spot. they don t want to alienate their players and infringe on their freedom of speech. on the other hand is they have sponsors. sponsors don t like divisive things in the sport. that s where the owners are right now. jerry jones, when he had his state of the cowboys address before the season, he thought it was problematic that president trump was involved in the situation and he wish it would go away. the owners were friends with president trump. it s an interesting predicament for them. they have to deal with what he says and they can t alienate the players because those are the people they work with every day. there s a lot of money on either side. sdp thank you 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woman. it will also see a large gathering of white supremacist in the nations capital who will march for the same abhorrent reason that they marched for on the day heather was murdered. tensions so high the entire state of virginia is under a state of emergency. let s talk about what is ahead and where we have come in a year. to you both, heather s mother spoke so eloquently about why her daughter would not die in vain. she said if i think if we don t focus on fixing the issues that cause this in the first place, the rational divide in our country, then we will be right back at charlottesville in no time flat. where have we come in a year? sadly, we have not come nearly as far as we should have. the governor after virginia has declared a state of emergency. in the year since charlottesville and the unite the right rally, in that year the president of the united states has yet to declare a state of concern about racial hate crimes or hate crimes in this country and the rising tide of racism in the country. he s not spoken to the fact that the hate crime rate has risen the last four years straight. it s up in our largest cities. he s not used the office to speak to the moral urgency of this moment. he s exacerbated this. using the nfl protest to divide the country for his political advantage. we have not come nearly as far as we should have and the president has not lead us. let s remember what much of this protest was about. a lot of it stemmed from hatred. a lot of it steamed from monuments, confederate monuments and what they stand for. i will never forget the speech that mitch landreau gave this. let s remind every one of that and play it. instead of these monuments from the perspective of an african-american mother or father trying to explain to their fifth grade daughter why robert e. lee sat atop of our ci city, can you do it? can you do it? can you look into the eyes of this young girl and convince her that robert e. lee is there to encourage her? remiepds reminded me of some beautiful you wrote a year ago. you say i remember when i first learned i was black or i will never forget the first time someone else learned i was black. those images of seeing sw swastikas next to an american flag is so stunning to me. for three generations we have learned to hate nazis more than we hated overseers. i study ann frank, my daughter study ann frank. we ve been told the nazis were wrong. here they are proudly walking down an american street next to an american flag on an institute of higher learning. no real sustained movement afterwards. it s not just there. it s not just what we re going to see on sunday. sarah has been out in the field reporting on this. i want to play you an exchange she had reporting in pennsylvania this week. rural america spoke up when they elected trump. we re staring down the barrel. there s still 193 million white americans. the vast majority of them in their 60s and 70s. will be in the ground in the next 20 years. we have the possibility of becoming a minority in our country. it sounds like you re afraid of being me. being me this is my country. this is also my country. you didn t win the culture war. cornell. this is what this president is driving and exacerbating. it is this unchecked white fear of a majority-minority country. charlottesville, is what we see. this country has always been multi-cultural. this country has always been diverse. when the pilgrims arrived, they met the native americans. we at this point in our history have to come to the realitization that america looks like the breath of humanity in color, race and ethnicity. we know from the numbers that by 2040 or so, america will be a majority-minority country. what do you want to hear from the president this weekend one year after charlottesville? what could he say? nothing. there s no repercussions for anything he says about people of color ever. it s actually a strategy to help him. he s helped shape this idea of america around only racial terms. white equals american. he s playing into that. this is what we re seeing lived out. i don t expect anything from him. what was stunning is i hope young people, like they did in parkland, like the movement for black lives, young black people, young jewish people have their never again moment. that was like a trayvon martin moment for the jewish community. i don t expect anything from him or this administration that has let the alt right tow them into the republican party. young people, this is our moment. this is their moment to act. thank you. thank you both. be right back. oscar mayer deli fresh ham has no added nitrates, nitrites or artificial preservatives. now deli fresh flavor is for everyone. like those who like. sweet. those who prefer heat. and those who just love meat. for those in school. out of school. and old school. those who like their sandwich with pop. and those who like it with soda. for the star of the scene. cut! and the guys behind it. oscar mayer deli 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forceful. now the bigger issue will there s so many families like this who are fleeing and the attorney general has basically completely undermine the asylum laws. just on that point, can you remind people what has changed. it s at the discretion of the attorney general to change the preference of who can seek asigh l asylum in this country. that changed dramatically and cuts out a lot of people like this woman who have faced sexual assault. the attorney general does not have complete discretion about asylum. it s by statute and precedent. there s only a small amount at the end if someone has committed very small. he didn t exercise his discretion. he changed the eligibility standards and distorted them completely. it s unlawful. the family separation, if you remember, was done to try and deter asylum seekers from coming here. now they are trying to change eligibility standards. how much children remain? this was wall to wall coverage the other week? how many are still separated? we believe about 500 to 600. still? we think the aclu, you should be in charge of finding these parents and give us the list we separated. where does that stand? the judge put an end to that. he said absolutely not. it s the government s responsibility. they separated. we ve always been willing to help and we will. i think the government has gotten the message. i think it s sufficient what they are doing but they have gotten the message. the judge wants none of that shifting the blame to us. thank you for being here. wait until you see this extraordinary reporting. our cnn reporter was given rare access inside the border patrol academy. 52% of the patrol is now hispanic and despite growing criticism, one mexican american man said he is proud to be training and wants to join to honor his uncle who was killed in the line of duty. here is the story. reporter: it s 7:00 a.m. and he s in his first class of the day, firearms. how is training this morning? not an every day shooter. trying to pick up everything they re showing us here. reporter: he s one of 400 recruits training to be a border patrol argument in new mexico. it s considered to be one of the toughest in law enforcement. it just got harder. this year the curriculum was expanded from three months to six months. there s nearly double the amount of training for everything. more firearms, more immigration law and new this year, scenario training with real actors to simulate what agents may face on the border. spanish language classes are now mandatory. what was it that drew you to this career? my uncle. i used to sit on the couch with my uncle at my grandma s house and he would tell me these cool stories. he was driving back to his station. he rolled over in his suv. he was ejected from his vehicle and he died on the scene. he grew up 20 miles from the border after his father immigrated legally from mexico. 52% of the border patrol is now hispan hispanic. i hear a lot from people when they talk about hispanic agents. they often say they are deporting their own people. they are turning their backs on their own people. yofi don t feel that way. i do have heart. it s sad watching people get deported but there s a process to everything. my dad was able to do it. i m here today for that reason. reporter: president trump has called for 5,000 more agents to be added to the patrol. yet it s already nearly 2,000 below the nationally mandated 21,000. the most recent graduating class had just 26 trainees. the academy can accommodate up to 50. was expanding the academy part of that effort in. i want them to be prepared for any situation they may encounter. i want them to have every tool available to them to handle that encounter safely. the last thing we ever want to do is take someone s life. reporter: 127 agents have died in the field since 1919. they hammer it home with new recruits. every single thing we do for the next six months is we will honor the fallen on training you to live. reporter: the 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some of the images coming out of yemen. these two videos bring home the w horror of what happened. this is one father living through every parent s nightmare. desperately trying to search for his son. you can see him figuring out what his child was wearing to describe him to the people who can help find the child and then another video we want to show you which is incredibly horrifying and graphic. this video shows what happens when a father finds his child. just listen to the heartbreak in his voice. it is unbearable even to listen to it. i can t imagine what it must be like to go through it. there are still three children missing. even while parents were burying their dead, the air strikes didn t stop. by this morning we re told by eyewitnesss in the yemeni capital there had already been 21 strikes just in one district alone. poppy. these are saudi coalition strikes and the u.n. secretary general is condemning now. what is the white house saying and what is the white house willing to 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our condolences to his family. that is our broadcast for this friday night and for this week. thank you so very much for being here with us. have a good weekend and good night for all of us here at nbc news headquarters in new york. so it is a small enough range of what they re looking for aesthetically that i m thinking you beak have to register as having acceptable haircut a or acceptable haircut b. those are sort of the two lanes that are available 0 to you. under hair cut a, we have ben affleck. or josh brolin or mark wahlberg, or jake gyllenhaal, or chris helmsworth or the great anderson cooper or the great jimmy fallon or that guy from the hurt locker who was so good. Rachel Maddow takes a look at the day s top political news stories. unquote, contract that included the exclues you be rights to publish her story about having this alleged long-running extramarital affair with donald trump. having obtained those exclues you be rights to publish that story, american media and david pecker decided to not run that story. so that was widely viewed as what s called a catch and kill deal in wilamerican media beak told basically dg candidate trump the favor of making sure that embarrassing story about this alleged affair would never run in print. so american media paid miss mcdougal in august 2016, late in the game, donald trump was already the republican nominee for president that the point. now, did the presidents have this affair? she says yes. he says no. you say la, la, lala, i m plugging my ears. stop talking about there, i don t want to know. i understand. but federal prosecutors are reportedly looking into whether that transaction was an effort president s lawyer mike cohen are now officially in possession of all of the evidence they are going to review to decide whether to try to bring federal criminal charges against mr. cohen. the court appointed official, the special master who had been appointed to review all the evidence that was seized from cohen to see if any of it has to be kept from prosecutors because it s covered by attorney/client privilege, that process has come to a conclusion. we ve heard that both from the special master herself and confirmed by sdny. at the conclusion of that, only a tiny fraction of the nearly 4 million files federal agents seized when they raided his office is, apartment and hotel room turned out to be protected by attorney/client privilege. only a tiny fraction of those documents were held back. the rest have been given to sdny. those prosecutors at sdny we believe from the wall street reporting, we believe they have convened a grand jury to consider account michael cohen matter, or that is considering the michael cohen matter. those prosecutors are now in the possession of all the evidence that they need to make their own decision on whether or not to ask that federal grand jury and sdny to bring charges against cohen. in addition to bank fraud andtach fraud charges that are a little bit like what trump campaign chairman paul manafort has been facing, one of the other issues reportedly under consideration by federal prosecutors and this be federal grand jury in new york senior michael cohen s involvement in that alleged payment to cover up that alleged affair. i mean to compensate karen mcdougal for how much men s journal wanted and needed to put her on their cover instead of ben affleck again. why would the president be talking about reimbursing american media for their contract to karen mcdougal if the contract was really just to put her on fitness magazines? why would the president be talking to his lawyer about paying that money back? so it s tick-tock at the u.s. attorney s office in the southern district of new york. for what it s worth, that is the same federal prosecutor s office that brought multiple felony charges this week against republican congress man chris collins, the first member of congress who endorsed trump as president, he served as a senior member of the trump transition and now arrested and indicted. same federal prosecutors that are considering michael cohen. it s tick-tock at southern district of new york for the president s lawyer. and apparently it s also tick-tock in virginia at the criminal trial of the president s campaign chairman. and boy, did this not go the way we thought it would today. this was humbling. we really thought, i really thought with confidence heading into today we knew what was going to happen. judge has been keeping such a tight rein on the way this trial has been going, it seemed quite clear the way this was going to unfold right through the end we thought for sure, the prosecution would rest their case by the end of today. then the defense woes have to decide whether or not they re going to call any witnesses to testify in manafort s behalf. then closing statements and the whole thing would be done. it didn t unfold that way today. the prosecution has not rested its case. and the reason that happened is because will the whole day in court was taken up today in a mysterious series of conferences at the judge s bench between the judge and the lawyers on both sides. also meetings apparently in the judge s chambers where nobody could see them. at one point the judge himself left the courtroom and appeared to walk off not in the direction of his own chambers but in the direction of where the jury usually comes from when had he enter the court. huh? we have no idea what happened for most of the day today at the paul manafort trial. we know that the prosecutors did file another motion asking the manafort judge to correct something to the jury that the prosecutors say he messed up. you might remember this happened earlier this week, as well. prosecutors filed a motion earlier this week informing the judge he had improperly scolded the prosecutors in front of the jury for something the prosecutors say they didn t even do wrong. they asked him to tell the jury that he had been in the wrong. the prosecutors hadn t done anything wrong and he should correct that for the jury. the judge acquiesced to that request and did ta earlier this week. late last night prosecutors asked the judge 0 clear up something else with the jury. during trial proceedings yesterday, the judge has interjected while prosecutors were going through a line of questioning with one witness from a bank. the judge interjeked to tell prosecutors they were barking up the wrong tree and shouldn t be trying to problem something with the witness that wasn t going to be legally relevant to the charges manafort was facing. as a matter of law, it looks like prosecutors were right and judge was wrong. and so prosecutors asked account jung late last night to clear up that point with the jury, as well. now, we have no idea if the judge did or did not clear that up with the jury as prosecutors requested. if it did happen it, wasn t in the courtroom in front of all the spectators and reporters there today who had as little idea what was going on as any of the rest of us. so an unexpected turn on what we thought would be the last day of the case against manafort. what are we supposed to make of this? prosecutors ultimately at the end of the afternoon, they finally did, they brought the jury back in and finally did start bringing in witnesses we had expected today about this allegation that paul manafort had offered a trump administration job to a bank ceo who had arranged for manafort to get millions of dollars in loans between the election and the inauguration. we had previously seen evidence in the trial and extensive public reporting that this guy from the bank thought he was going to end up being secretary of the army for his troubs. today an employee of the bank testified that the bank s ceo in fact told him he was maybe going to get to be secretary of the treasury or secretary of housing and urban development. and that s apparently those apparently were dangled in addition to whatever else was damaged to a potential job running the army. that interesting tale about those big loans to paul manafort between election and inauguration and whether or not there was some quid pro quo offer associated with those loans for the bank ceo thought he was going to get something from the trump administration in exchange for green lighting those loans we thought that would be the finale today. that tale has started to be told but now there s still more of it to tell because they didn t start till late in the afternoon. honestly, the big question now, the big mystery now is what happened during those hours long delays? what happened in all those sealed discussions that took place four hours out of the jury s ear shot, out of reporters ear shot all day long? we know it s delayed the end of the case. there will now be more witnesses for the prosecution on monday. closing arguments will take place only as early as tuesday if the defense doesn t call any of its own witnesses which they might not. given the strange turn, senior this the kind of thing that is a normal occurrence or at least not too strange an occurrence in a try that s been running as fast as this one in this kind of court where things seem to be run on such a tight schedule? whatever went off the rails today, can we tell if it has something to do with the jury or that prosecutors keep trying to correct the judge for him in their words screwing stuff up? and when are we going to find out? this was the note today. we tried to get the formal record of what happened in the courtroom today the transcript is under seal and will not be available to the public. some day that may change. till that happens, we have to ask people who were there what they saw. joining us now is josh gerstein, senior reporter at politico. thank you very much for being here. hey, good to be back with you. was it frustrating or fascinating or both when things sort of took off out of ear shot and in some cases out of ith in the courtroom today? well, it was surprising the way things kind of screeched to a halt as you were talking about earlier, we had been moving at a breakneck case with the judge pressuring prosecutors to keep it short, keep it short and cut all their witnesses down sometimes spending maybe half as much time as they had intended. to ten then see the judge consume about five hours today with proceedings that were either being held at sidebar or in secret in the judge s chambers was a pretty startling development. i would say it was interesting but at the same time, frustrating because we couldn t get really a clear idea of why the trial had beak been put into some kind of suspended animation. josh, one thing that happened outside of the direct live proceedings of the trial was this is request from prosecutors for a second time that they wanted the judge to correct something that they thought he got wrong before the jury. we saw the judge in fact a coup days ago did correct himself. he beak agreed with what prosecutors had asserted that the judge had blamed prosecutors for doing something wrong that they didn t get wrong. they asked him again after yesterday s proceedings to correct another matter which is more a matter of law in front of the jury. and we know that is something there was a motion about from the prosecution. it wasn t thing stherp fighting orally and in person. is there a way to know if that might have been part of why things went so differently today, why the jury wasn t called in till so late, why the first thing that happened today was bench conferences where the lawyers were talking out of ear shot of everybody else in the room? that could be part of it. it s highly unlikely that motion accounts for all the delay we saw. there was enough other weird action going on as you mentioned earlier with the judge moving back and forth to the jury s chamber at the side of the courtroom. that i don t think the issue of what the judge said wrong yesterday while significant, he basically said that attempted bank fraud isn t very important and isn t maybe something the prosecution should be trifling with which i think no one would expect that attempted bank robbery for example, wouldn t be prosecuted as a crime. it s hard to see why attempted bank fraud would be dismissed. that was the issue the prosecution filed that motion about overnight. it is surprising and unusual i think that there was no public ruling on that motion. and there was nos instruction to the jury one way or another. maybe the judge denied it. if he did, he didn t give us any explanation on the record. there was some speculation this morning that maybe the defense or the prosecution was seeking some kind of mistrial on that count. it might be difficult for the judge maybe to fix his mistake without suggesting to jurors he was saying that manafort was guilty on that charge and there could have been an argument of that sort. i guess we ll find out when we find out with all these things. josh gerstein, senior reporter at politico.com, i know it s been intense coverage all week on this. thanks for being our eyes and ears there and thanks for being with us tonight. joining us is chuck rosenburg, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of virginia and former senior justice department and fbi official. thank you for being with us tonight. i appreciate you being with us on friday night. my pleasure, rachel. as an experienced prosecutor and somebody who is very, very experienced in the eastern district of var including being the u.s. attorney there, a lot of us who are nonlawyer and who are not frequent observers of federal trials were totally flummoxed by this turn of events today. what s happening? what does this mean? how weird is this? is the thing going off the rails? everybody was trying to read the manafort body language to suggest if this meant the trial was blowing up? as somebody who has been there, how weird was today? have you seen stuff like this happen before? especially right towards the end of a trial? i ve seen things like this happen before. i don t think it s going off the rails or blowing up. maybe i can explain. sometimes a judge has to take a few hours, two, three, four hours to straighten out an issue. it s not frequent but it s frequent enough that we can make an educated guess. it usually involves a juror issue. it may be something as benign as a juror is ill or has an emergency at home. that doesn t seem to be what happened here. more likely, and i ve seen this happen in my own trials, once or twice over many years, a juror accidentally sees something or hears something, maybe overhears a conversation in a cafeteria or a bathroom or a hallway. maybe saw something at home at night after court recessed for the day, overheard a conversation. and more likely than not and again educated guess reports that to the judge. and so why does it take hours to straighten this out? then the judge has to essentially call a time-out and question the jury and the juror. what did you see, what did you hear? did you talk to anyone else? did what you saw what you heard, did that sort of change your opinion of this trial? can you put it aside? so the judge probably has to make some sort of inquiry, some sort of factual finding. that s likely what happened here. because when you see this thing sort of shut down for a few hours, it usually falls along these lines, rachel. in terms of when this is going to become clear to us, i showed the note we got from the court reporter today in terms of this being a sealed transcript. is this the sort of thing we should expect to eventually become public or whatever happened today, these discussions will those remain sealed indefinitely? i imagine it will eventually become public. there s the courts really want to make all their proceedings public unless there s some compelling reason not to. for instance, grand jury materials are always sealed. but this is an open public trial and i imagine some day, perhaps soon, weigh know precisely what happened. but again, my guess is that it s a juror issue, one where the judge had to inquire and had to satisfy himself this juror whatever he or she saw or heard can put that aside and consider the case you know, fairly and even handedly. chuck, lease something else that happened with the mueller investigation today that i want to ask you about as a matter of law if you ve seen something like this. can you stick around for a minute. you bet. he s back with us right after this. stay with us. uhp. i didn t believe it. again. ooh, baby, do you know what that s worth? 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what is the strategy and where does this end? did it just end? does this guy potentially end up going to jail now? joining us again is chuck rosenburg, forrer u.s. attorney in the eastern district of virginia, chuck, thank you for sticking around to help me with this. my pleasure. i understand contempt of court in a control questional sense meaning you ve been told to do something by the court and you re not doing it. in this case, the court holding mr. mueller, ruling he is in contempt for defying the subpoena, what s the consequence of this? does this mean mr. miller is going to go to jail. conceivably. i m going to get a little nerdy on you. yea. there s two types of contempt. there s civil contempt in which case the judge, judge howell simply wants miller to comply and as soon as he cop applies, as soon as he testifies, as soon as he follows her order, the content is lifted. there s also criminal contempt. that s designed to punish, not to enforce compliance. it seems to me she head him in civil contempt meaning testify and you re free to go. all you need to do is comply with my order and we re square. he has an easy out. if he doesn t comply, she can continue to hold him in contempt till he does which means conceivably, putting him in jail or fining him or finding something else to try and coerce his compliance. does a we can t see the ruling in this case. we believe at least as far as we can tell the ruling is sealed. we can t check. if she s now holding him in civil contempt and he continues to defy the court s order and refuse to testify, would, when you say she would then have the option to increase the leverage on him including jail would ha mean she would be converting this from civil into criminal? she could ask the u.s. attorney s office to file criminal charges. could appoint a special prosecutor. my guess is it will likely remain civil contempt. as long as this grand jury is sitting and grand juries sit fur a term of anywhere from 12 to 18 months, cospend all that amount of time in jail and by the way, the special counsel bob mueller s deem subpoena him again after that first grand jury expires. and if he chooses to disobey again, he could be held in contempt again. and so look, it s really on him. it s really on miller to simply comply. when you get subpoenaed you have two lawful options. you can plead the fifth amendment if you have a legitimate fifth amendment privilege if a truthful answer would incriminate you or you can go into the grand jury and answer the questions truthfully. he didn t choose the law of path. he chose the content path. chuck rosenburg, forrer u.s. attorney for the eastern district of virginia, former senior fbi official. thank you. much appreciated. you have to wonder why this particular guy is fighting this far. it may be a matter of principle. it may it be desperation. if chuck s right, we re going to find out when he ultimately gets in here. much more to come. stay with us. paying too much for insurance you don t even understand? 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so this isn t like this is a very spec thing. this isn t like hijacking american political causes to make them more extreme. this isn t organizing on facebook. this isn t even what they did to target individual voters on line with content and propaganda that was supposed to make people hate hillary clinton or hate muslims or make you think bernie sanders and donald trump were somehow the same thing. this was spec. this was the last seven days before the election. first week of november. a huge targeted blitz by russian military intelligence blasting hacking tools malware at the individual people who were administering elections in individual florida counties. what did they think they could do in the final week of the election? this wasn t a planning expedition to see how vulnerable those websites were. this was voting time. this was go time. and russia at that moment was trying to gain access to those crucial systems in charge of handling elections in just a matter of days. why that blitz? how successful were they? what are the consequences? that was 2016. that was all spelled out in the last mueller indictment. we don t know whatever happened with that, what that was for, that specific part of the attacking what it did. now, comes a new warning. that there isn t just some generic threat out there related to the elections this fall all over the country. now comes a new spec warning that there s specifically a russian hacking operation that is live and under way right now inside low florida election systems. we don t know if this is the payoff from what they did so late in the game in 2016. they inserted malware there that allowed them to maintain access to is the systems for the next election. maybe this is a whoa new effort but apparently it s live. and under way now. and the way we have learned about it this week is super weird and controversial and that s next. a hotel can make or break a trip. and at expedia, we don t think you should be rushed into booking one. that s why we created expedia s add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. only when you book with expedia. senator nelson, can you elaborate what you told my colleague yesterday about russians being in florida election records? do you mean right now or were you referring to 2016. right now. what do you mean by they re in the election records? just exactly what i said. they have already penetrated certain counties in the state. and they now have free rein to move about. they now have free rein to move about. florida senator bill nelson this week announcing there s something going on in his state s election system in the keep the administered is election systems in his state right now. not 2016 but now. hackers have ben traited certain florida counties and now have free rein to move about. he s running for re-election this year. his opponent is the state s republican governor rick scott. the administration responded to this warning from nelson this week by insisting they had no idea what he was talking about beak saying as far as we know everything s fine. that sounds crazy. rick scott himself gave a speech today in which he accused senator nelson of making things up. but senator bill nelson is standing by his statement and he s offering some important detail. also, notably, the state s other senator, republican member of the senate intelligence committee marco rubio is not disputing senator nelson s account. today he released a statement taking no issue with any son s remarks and declaring his state s elections systems have been and will remain a potentially attractive target for attacks by foreign actors. the tampa bay times also reports bill nelson s account was partly corroborated by two county officials who said they heard a similar warning at a private meeting with rubio earlier this year in may. senator nelson says both he and senator rubio warned florida election officials about their current russian intrusion in a letter last month. he says he sent that letter to local florida election officials specifically at the request of the republican chairman and the democratic vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee. we were requested by the chairman and vice chairman of the intelligence committee to let the supervisors of election in florida know that the russians are in their records. this is no fooling time. and that s why two senators bipartisan, reached out to the election apparatus of florida to let them know that the russians are in the records and all they have to do, if those election records are not protected, is to go in and start eliminating registered voters and you can imagine the chaos that would occur on election day. bill nel on is not backing down from his claims that russians have penetrated florida election systems now. they re in there now for this election cycle. his warnings come on the heels of the last indictment from the special counsel s office which charge that russian military intelligence for some reason bombarded county level election officials in florida in the final seven days before the presidential election in 2016. the indictment describing a huge late attack mounted against local systems in florida an attack that was designed to install russian mall aware inside florida election systems. well, neither the chairman or the vice chairman of the intelligence committee are denying what senator nelson says happened here. even as the republican governor of the state who is running against him is treating this like a joke or even some kind of gaffe by senator nelson. but if what senator nelson is wampbing about is true, if this is happening, what do we do about the fact that the state government really doesn t seem to care if this kind of attack is real and it s under way right now? and it is russian military intelligence doing it again, are we really just supposed to count on random local officials to figure out if and how they want to try to defend against it? i mean, i get that localities run election systems but if those election systems are actually hit with an international targeted attack by a hostile nation state, isn t there somebody else who should come in and help with that? literally we re just having ran come senators warn each other and hope someone believes them and figures out a homegrown defense? that s the plan really? hold that thought. that s next. introducing more sizes for better comfort. new depend fit-flex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit. in 2014, the u.s. attorney in the western district of pennsylvania david hickton announced what was at that time the first ever criminal indictment against foreign state actors for hacking. when he brought criminal charges against five members of the chinese military for economic cyber espionage against the united states. that made david hickton a pioneer in the field of defending the country against foreign cyber attacks in part by using the criminal justice system. join us is david hickton, the founder and director at the university of pug. thanks very much for joining us. nice to have you here. thank you, rachel. we have an unusual situation in florida that is unfolding over last few days. the senator from florida bill nelson who is facing re-election this year and being challenged for his seat by the serving republican governor of the state senator nelson says that there is a cyber attack under way that is targeting florida local election systems and in his words, the russians are in there now and have free rein to move about at will. the state in part through governor scott, appears to be dismissing this and calling him all but crazy for bringing this up. from a law enforcement cyber security perspective, what s your overall reaction to that in. my reaction is that on the one hand, it points to the natural defensive reaction we get from state officials which is understandable we need to account for it. nobody likes to admit they ve been hacked. but the fact is that we know that in 2016, florida was one of the seven states identified by dhs with where the russians were not only circling but in their system. i agree with the spirit of what senator nelson has said today. the other thing i think it points to is i made the point on your show a couple weeks ago we shouldn t look at hacking as a single event. it s really a series of events. and we shouldn t look at elections as a thing. elections are many things. it s an architecture. we represent the world s greatest democracy and we register people to vote. we educate voters on the issues through the media and other resources and the candidates. and then we have election day and then we tally the votes and in some places we do audits. it s really a broader concept so this campaign over here is really attacking an election system over here, and the thing is that there s just multiple on-ramps for our nation state adversaries it s been demonstrated time and time again going all the way back to 2008. i believe it s type to get our heads out of the sand about this. we need to really address it. and i think that men and women of good will who are patriotic could come together and solve this. david hickton, founder and corrector of the institute for cyber law policy at the university of pittsburgh. i d like to ask you to come back and talk to us about this next week. this is becoming a political fight in florida and a national security fight in terms of defending these systems. i hope you ll come back and join us again. happy to. we ll be right back. stay with us. eico could help them save money on car insurance? 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David Gura hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. opportunity for a politician s challenger. in this case it is a democrat named nate mcmurray. i reached out to him a couple of hours ago and got this statement. he says this. it is absolutely true that chris collins should not be running for this or any other seat, a fact that the local republican party knew full well when they endorsed and celebrated him while he was under investigation for securities fraud. so the question now is, if this seat, this safe republican seat is now in jeopardy, can the democrat, nate mcmurray, raise enough money, secure enough outside support, and then win over enough right-leaning voters to pick up this seat and unseat any republican challenger, if it is chris collins or someone else? we have to see if that will be the case. one thing we know for sure is that democrats know all too well they only have to flip about two dozen seats to take back control of the house, david. jeff bennet, thank you very much. jeff bennet covers the white house at nbc news. with me is blake and michelle goldberg, a columnist for the new york times. michelle, let s start with these tweets. the president saying i saw that. think we all did. calling his attorney general here, scared stiff, missing in action. the white house press secretary i assume would say that the president is just voicing an opinion. we ve heard it from his personal attorneys as well. what do you make of this? as i say, the attacks have piled up, jeff citing the one in a couple of weeks ago in which the president is calling on the attorney general to end this investigation. how does it hang the narrative of the tweet today? my assumption when he says jeff sessions is scared stiff he is projecting, right. i think there s an increasing frenzy in his tweets which could be due to the fact that roger stone, who has as much to do with his political career as any person living, is very likely about to get indicted soon. there s been papa rarade of wits of people against roger stone coming before the grand jury. one of the keys to the russia inclusion narrative is roger stone. if he is about to get indicted trump tower has reason to be as freaked out as he is. the pin-striped key to the investigation. blake, i want your perspective on this as well. as michelle mention, you had three people interacting with the grand jury this week. one decided not to testify and he was held in contempt by a judge in washington, d.c. your perspective there, blake, on the role that roger stone is playing now in this investigation? well, notice, it is funny. if this kind of thing had happened in private and some, you know, journalistic outlet, say msnbc, report that the president said this privately, it would be a huge story. the fact he is just venting on twitter is so bizarre because it makes it seem like he s a passive observer of his own presidency. he does have the power to fire jeff sessions if he wants to, but the reason he is not going to do it is because it is politically dicey. i think republicans would have a cow if he did it. so here he is sitting in bedminster in the rain, can t golf, and he s just blowing off steam on twitter. it is amazing. michelle, let s get meta here. i started the day wondering if we would hear from the president about charlottesville as we approached the anniversary. i looked at the schedule for the weekend and there was nothing on it that would indicate there would be a formal statement. he s having a photo op with bikers in bedminster today, and we get a short statement, if you can call it that, on twitter about charlottesville. what do you make of the way he is using these medium for things like that, things of great import? he has cheapened the discourse in many ways in the country, but there are things that merit something more than that and we re not seeing him use it for that purpose. well, i mean, of course. he is a person who does not have the dignity or gravitas necessary for this job. you know, i mean i guess this statement is maybe about as good as you could expect from him, but it is not saying very much. basically saying all sorts of racism is only a degree or two removed from, you know, bad people on both sides, right. he still can t call out anti-black racism in particular, or neo-naziism in particular. there s a date of unite the right rally in washington, a repeat sort of the charlottesville demonstration, and a time when the person he used throughout the campaign is saying, no, actually he is a bigot and misogynist. i got to ask you about that blake and michelle. i will give you a hachance to te a bite of that. you are talking about omarosa s book that has been leaked and there will be the interview as well coming up. let me get your perspective on the role that omarosa played for the short time she was a part of it. michelle talking about the bona fides she offered when she was a part of the race. what do you make of this? i think it is causing quite a stir already. she s really a character straight out of reality tv. i think it is fascinating that she observed these things while she was on the apprentice and yet she chose to work in his administration. i think it is further irony that here is someone with probably more government experience than anyone else in the white house and by all accounts she did very little while she was there. there was a story about how she piled up shoes in the white house and people had to trip over them. so i don t think she is really missed in the west wing. certainly with this memoire she is not making friends in the white house now. at the center of the book, michelle, is the search for this tape. she maintains it exists, of the president using the n-word when he was on the apprentice. i will go back to a question i have been using here, thinking about it throughout the day. what changes if that tape exists? if we hear that tape. you have thought about what changed after that access hollywood tape came to life. in terms of a picture of this president as he thinks about race and talks about race, what changes if that tape exists? look, i don t think any of us need omarosa or a secret recording to tell us donald trump is a racist, although if the tape exists it might make it harder for some of his defenders to insist he s not a racist, which some are still trying to do. there are still people in the republican party, and i guess the hypocrisy is the death of virtue you know, hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue. there you go. they pretend to think racism is shameful even as they enable it. the emergence of this tape will make it that much harder to separate themselves from the kind of blatantly white nationalist cast of this administration. michelle, quickly here, you have been traveling the country a lopt, looking at divisions in the democratic party. let me talk about what we have seen in kansas. we haven t talked about the gubernatorial, but it is a thin margin that separates them. chris kobach now recusing himself. what does it tell you about what happens in november. on the republican side, it is nice to see others realizing kobach is not a good actor when it comes to voter fraud when it is used against them. what it tells us is what we have known all along, right, which is that the democrats would crawl over broken glass to vote against donald trump. they are incredibly fired up. even though, you know, it was disappointing they didn t win in ohio, they will get another chance in three months. i think you see that republicans, although trump still has his base, that base is not a majority of the country and parts of it are at least disspis i thinke disspis disspirited. i think it looks better to be democrat right now. in every part of the country i have seen, particularly women, whose lives have been transformed by their revulsion of donald trump, who wake up who never paid close attention to local politics before, but who now work about thinking about what they can do to flip their districts. i will pull up the latest from the cook political seat. under solid seats for democrats, 181. looking at republican, 153. looking at likely/lean seats, 21 to 53. the cook political report giving democrats more reason for optimism i should say. michelle goldberg and blake shelton of political magazine. thank you for joining me. coming back with a counter offer, the ultimatum from the president s lawyers that they negotiate a sit-down interview with robert mueller. -morning. -morning. -what do we got? -keep an eye on that branch. might get windy. have a good shift. fire pit. last use 0600. i d stay close. morning. get ready to switch. protected by flo. should say, protected by alan and jamie. -right? -should it? when you bundle home and auto. run, alan! .you get more than just savings. you get round-the-clock protection. .you get more than just savings. i ve been making blades here at 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is guy lewis, a former u.s. attorney. let me start with you, guy, giving context to the audio we just heard. the president s attorneys not busy enough, decided to fill in for their friend sean hannity on his radio show, a chance to hear them talking about the case and what they think the grounds are for any criminality. let me get your perspective on that. this has been a week in which they filled in for sean hannity. there was a moment earlier in the week when jay sekulow, who despite managing the president s case, managed to guest a show and had as a guest the co-counsel. what do you make of the way they re managing the case publicly. it is clear to me there s never ever in a million years going to be an interview between bob mueller and his team and the president of the united states. i mean how long have they been negotiating now? eight months. there you go, almost a year. we re closing in on a year, back and forth. bob mueller, frankly, needs to just go ahead and say, thank you very much, you re going to be interviewed on my terms. i did this for a long time. prosecutors, look, it is it is okay to be reasonable, to be fair. you need to do that. but at some point you have to put your foot down and say, i appreciate it, i respect that you re the president, but we need to either move forward with this interview or i m going to issue a grand jury subpoena for you to testify and i will compel your appearance. ned price, i want to go to the tweet that i referenced at the top there. the president saying that his attorney general is missing in action. this is not the first time we have seen the president call out attorney general jeff sessions explicitly on twitter. it happened most memorably about a week and a half ago when we had the president s white house press secretary say, this isn t a direct order. it is the president spouting opinion. rudy guilliani, the president s personal attorney, saying, we all know now it is how the president using twitter, as his conduit of expressing his opinion. what do you make of the president doing that after the tempest that kicked up a week and a half ago? what is so interesting is that jeff sessions is missing in action for a simple reason, he is recused from the investigation. if he were involved in the investigation, if he had a hands-on approach to this investigation, that would be something that the department of justice would have to take up. it could lead to some upheaval within the department itself. so it is quite appropriate that in this case jeff sessions is absent from this. i know that the president is frustrated by that, but that gets back to the core question. why does president trump want jeff sessions to have a hands-on approach to this? why does the president feel it is necessary to have someone, a loyalist like jeff sessions essentially babysit this investigation? that does not bode well for president trump s knowledge of the facts surrounding this case if he feels that he needs someone there to manage them. if he feels that he needs someone there to ensure that everything is going according to his plan, that suggests there is something there that the president does not want to come to light, that the president does not want to get out, that the president does not want to go awry. guy lewis, you know well it is a complex case. there are a lot of moving parts here. we have seen in recent weeks robert mueller kicking things over to the southern district in new york, having others work on some of the things that he has discovered. i m going to read here another tweet from the president today. the big story that the fake news media refuses to report is low-life christopher steele s many meetings with deputy a.g. bruce ohr and his beautiful wife, nelly. i m sure she appreciates the compliment. it was fusion gps that hired steele to write the phoney and discredited dossier paid for by crooked hillary and the dnc. i want to return to this that is being argued in the court of public opinion. what we re seeing as the week s wear on is the president and rudy guilliani and jay sekulow i would say expertly trying to distill or whittle down what they hope we re focusing on here. we re returning again to the dossier, christopher steele is this hot watch button issue that the president likes to bring up. what is your counsel about what to pay attention as all of this continues? david, so bob mueller is strategic. he is smart. he is experienced. he is a former u.s. attorney. he knows how to run these investigations. so let s take a step back. he s got paul manafort right now in the crosshairs. manafort is going to be found guilty. i would bet the house on that. then the question is does the president pardon him, does he go to jail, does he cooperate. big, big issue there. he s now focused, bob mueller is now focused on one of the political operatives, who allegedly was involved in some of this russia shenanigans business. stone, who is a dirty tricks guy, is now in the crosshair. is he going to get indicted? we know that in down in virginia, in alexandria they sealed very interesting, didn t get a lot of press, but rick gates tried to testify to this question-and-answer session, the prosecutors objected to it. they sealed it. the judge said, i m going to seal it because there s an ongoing investigation. that is what i think is coming around here, which is additional cases, additional indictments, additional defendants. ned price, last question to you. a lot of democrats were saying let it follow its course, let it play out. i would say a lot of republicans are saying that as well. congressman devin nunes from california is not one of them. he sits on the house select committee on intelligence. rachel maddow obtained a tape from him at fundraiser about the russia investigation. let s listen to what he was recorded saying. if sessions won t unrecuse and mueller won t clear the president, we re the only ones, which is really the danger. i mean we have to keep all of these seats. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. spelling that out there in very explicit terms, i m going to read a couple of the highlights because the audio was tough to hear. sessions won t unrecuse and mueller won t clear the president, we are the only ones. what does that tape tell you, ned price, of the outlook of some republicans here on this investigation? well, the problem, david, is that devin nunes is not a bystander in all of this. he is the chair of the house intelligence committee, one of the two u.s. committees on capitol hill that are investigating these series of crimes from russian hacking to everything else. so the fact that he is broadcasting for everyone to see and for everyone to hear, the fact that he is essentially putting his finger on the scale for the president is pretty remarkable. at the same time, we didn t learn anything from that tape we didn t know before, at least that we couldn t observe before. it was last year when devin nunes first ran to the white house, created this whole unmasking scandal in an effort to defend the president. when it comes to the hearings within the house intelligence committee, he has served as a de facto defense attorney for the president, cross-examining witnesses to the president s defense. of course, he was responsible for the memo that was put out that started the war of duelling memos that attempted to exonerate the president, that attempted to essentially impugn the fbi, to impugn the department of justice and to leave the president free and clear. so devin nunes has been very clear from the start. he is not serving as an impartial arbiter on the house intelligence committee. he is serving very clearly as a strident ally of the president, something that should worry all of us. i always love talking to both of you. ned price, thank you for the time on this saturday. my thanks to guy lewis as well. a state of emergency in 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expected to draw to a close on monday. this after an unexpected and unexplained recess on friday. court is expected to begin at 1:00 on monday afternoon, and according to sources the prosecution will rest its case after a dozen witnesses and nine days of testimony. all-told, paul manafort stands accused of hiding more than $16 million from the irs, allegedly spend it on luxury items. both sides asked the judge for two hours of closing arguments, and if convicted paul manafort could possibly spend the rest of his life in prison. joining me is carrie johnson, a justice correspondent with npr, and jamiel javer is the founder of national security institute at george mason law. carrie, let me start with you. you have been covering this case day in and day out. give us your take on the state of play here. we heard from rick gates this week. we learned during cross-examination about his extramarital affairs. you saw defense trying to cast aspersions on him, question his reliability as a witness. we had this kind of astonishing apology from the judge in this case as well. judge t.s. ellis iii is known for his reposts, what he said to lawyers in this case. what is the significance of the apology, what he said to lawyers later in the week? well, the judge was asked to issue what is called a corrective instruction because prosecutors raised alarms about something the judge had said being possibly prejudicial to their case right in front of the jury. the judge eventually said he might have been wrong. he didn t look at the transcript and he probably was wrong, but told jurors to put that whole issue out of their minds. the problem is, david, the following day the judge said another thing and prosecutors have another outstanding motion asking the judge to fix another thing that he said with respect to an element of their bank fraud case against paul manafort. as of friday, that very abbreviated day, the judge did not say anything, at least in public, to the jury to try to fix that statement. the problem, according to prosecutors, is this. the judge keeps making these remarks, popping off in front of the jury, but also rushing prosecutors through their case. they want to make sure that this is an airtight case that goes to that jury. jamiel jacksonvilver, i want your perspective. what is your take away of what you have read of the arguments? it is a strong case against manafort. he has obviously engaged in activities to hide his income and not pay his taxes. the challenge now is that they ve done a good job undermining rick gates and his credibility and he is the star witness. we will see what the defense puts on next week, but as of right now it is a tough case against manafort himself for the bank and tax fraud charges. carrie, about that, rick gates goes on the stand. we got a preview of this when the defense gave their opening statement. it was clear the strategy they would use to call into question the reliability of rick gates. they dug into his personal life a little bit when he was on the stand. how successfully or easily was the prosecution able to bounceback from that? we saw from rick gates a return to those who know about his banking history, those who know about his finances, and we were told it was going to be a documents-heavy case from the very beginning. how much of a hiccup was that focus on the personal life of rick gates? rick gates was a probleprobl witness for the government, in part because he alleged stole money with paul manafort and he also stole money from paul manafort, or at least from the ukrainians that were paying them both. then rick gates also had personal problems that came out on the witness stand. but if you hear the government tell it, they ve now put on over nine days, more than 25 witnesses. those witnesses include paul manafort s long-time bookkeeper, who testified he, paul manafort, approved every penny of every expense. they include an accountant who says she was misled by paul manafort. that evidence also includes e-mails tying paul manafort to some of the off-shore accounts to pay season tickets for the new york yankees, to pay for luxury goods like the couture bills for his ostrich coat and other things. it is not just a one-witness case, no matter how the defense would like to label it that. that means the defense will have to try to undermine some of the documentary evidence that the government has had. it has not yet done so so far, so the question is whether they re going to try the put on some experts this week the talk about accounting or tax issues or just try to rest here and leave it to the jury to figure out whether the government has met its burden of proof. carrie, we will be back in alexandria this week. thank you very much for your reporting. jamiel javers, thank you for joining me on this saturday as women. it has been a year since heather hyers tragic death since the white nationalist rally in charlottesville. the president has issued this single tweet acknowledging the deadly incident from a year ago and condemning all types of racism as he puts it. nbc s cal perry is on the ground in charlottesville where the city is under a state of emergency with a law law enforcement presence as officials prepare for more protests this weekend. cal, i want to ask you just what is happening in charlottesville this weekend. i know there was a memorial service this morning. just give us a sense of how people are marking this tragic anniversary. reporter: there s going to be a few events tonight run by the university of virginia, healing events as they re calling it, events to remember what happened a year ago. a big part of the remembrance is what we want to show you right now, what happened to heather heyer. 32 years old. she was standing on this road right here. you will remember that incredibly violent video of the car plowing into that crowd of people, and so a great deal of the remembrance this weekend is going to be remembering her, remembering her life, and for this town remembering what it was that she stood for, standing up as people see it here against white nationalism, the exact thing that we re likely to see tomorrow in washington, d.c. not likely to happen again in charlottesville this year because of the unprecedented security. 1,000 police. we re on the other end of the mall. we have shown you the security earlier today. we want to show you what the security allowed, which is for a very quiet day in downtown charlottesville here in the mall, which is, frankly, what people wanted this weekend as opposed to, of course, david, what we saw last year. cal perry, my colleague, in charlottesville, virginia for us this weekend. thank you very much. hundreds of migrant kids still without their parents this weekend after they were separated from them at the u.s./mexico border. how many are still in custody and why it has taken so long for the government the reunite these families. stop fearing your alarm clock. 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was a terrorist attack on the united states of america, and i really want to see how the community was responding. i ve been to, unfortunately, too many places in this either individually like the young man richard collins killed at university of maryland college park 15 minutes from where i live or ferguson, missouri, where sort of military police attacked peaceful protesters and i wanted to see if there was substance of change happening here and i must admits ever, in the time i ve been here, the level of self reflection in this community is much better than other places. they seem concerned about not having the problems continue. maybe because it is was white nationalist or the race of the victim but it seems like charlottesville is making changes and that is something i feel optimistic about. wes, bellamy, on that note, how has that conversation changed and loomed large in charlottesville, virginia. well first, thanks for having me and i would be re miss if i didn t give also much respect and power to sister heather heyer who lost her lives and the two offers who lost her lives. in regards to the conversation in charlottesville, there is an awakening to say the least. when i first started back in march of 2016 we need to remove the statutes of robert e. lee and change the name of the pork and move forward with open spaces and in all of our public spaces people were saying i was causing trouble and stirring things up and the worp the wo thing that happened to charlottesville and these weren t here until i talked about it on council and now that someone died but to be quite frank a lot of white people who recognize only the priv li th privilege and the bias a systemic oppressive state here in charlottesville for far too long and we now are truly dealing with. it i think unfortunately the events of last summer ripped the band aid off of what truly was going on and when we took off that band aid, we realized that while we thought it was a small cut, it was a deep wound. and you don t fix that wound overnight. you need surgery. so we re doing the true work, the true surgical work to make sure our community heals the right way but it doesn t happen overnight so we ve seen conversations in classrooms and in grocery stores, barber shops, city council meetings, and everywhere you go you hear people talking about the issues that we have in our community. and bringing forth action behind our words. jason, when i ve gone to charlottesville what struck me is how many parts of it owe of it are frozen in history and you walk the lawn and see history and then how progressive of a place it is, the seed of albemarle county. and how that ta is that takin place and we were having a conversation a while ago about the confederate monuments symbolize a year after the protests, are we better than we have been before. it depends on who you ask. because to be honest, when i hear conversations about healing, any doctor will tell you, you can t hear heal if you don t have a diagnosis. and there is process but you have the vinegar hill neighborhood that was a neighborhood destroyed by the use of sort of white nationalist principals and imminent domain to kick black people off their land. that was recent, in the 50s and 60s. so talk about the more recent problems but until there is real change in the distribution of political resources and economic resources i like those conversations are happening and i spoke to the foundations and changes in how grants are distributed and a city councilman said it is a long process. so just talking is step one. the true healing, that is going to take years. wes, how has the town dealt with the national spotlight shown on the city while all of this happening and been on it since and we a associate charlottesville in part with this. i ll read the president s tweet from this morning. the riots in charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division and we must come together as a nation and i condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. peace to all americans. do you want the national spotlight to continue? how much of your town s healing is going to be done internally as a town and does the national spotlight help or hurt? well, first let me say this. our community is not defined by, nor do we care, if 45 decides to wish us well. honestly, i m shocked that he s not on the side of the nazis this year. so i guess that is a good thing. if you ever could think we should be proud that the president of the united states is not saluting and being happy that or saying there are good people on both sides this year, that is something for us to be proud of. i m not. but in any event, when we look at our where our community is and we ve become a hashtag in some regards but we re hoping to be a model for the country. when you look at, as my brother just talked about, the distribution of resources within our community last year, i was able to pass this equity package $4.5 million in resources from our budget to underresourced communities so you had job training and resources and education and $150,000 grant to our african-american heritage center and $2.5 million to the development fund and that is what it takes and so as a community when we talk about the issues we hope that we could show other cities that is one thing to talk about it but you have to be able to put resources behind it as a city or as a community. and further along with that, we want to be able to show people that any city can have a white supremacist attack but you don t just have an attack or clowns come to your city and try to take it over. but what matters is you stand up and fight back with not just your fist but with your policy and actions. and we as a city took a punch in the face last year but didn t lose the fight. we got back up and fighting and standing tall together and we ll continue to move forward together because that is who we are as a community. we re not where we want to be but heading in the right direction. we ll leave it there. thank you for joining me from charlottesville, virginia on this saturday. and stay with msnbc. tomorrow is the one year mark of the clashes between protesters and white nationalists in charlottesville and we ll be sharing the story of a former white suppose recommend tift who dedicated his life to helping other and you could watch breaking hate right here on msnbc. and we ll be right back. and american express has your back every step of the way- whether it s the comfort of knowing help is just a call away with global assist. or getting financing to fund your business. no one has your back like american express. so where ever you go. we re right there with you. the powerful backing of american express. don t do business without it. don t live life without it. here s a trip tip: when you search hotels on tripadvisor. enter your destination and the dates of your stay. tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites. to find the best deal on the 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A news show featuring the top headlines of the day from pop culture to politics, which are discussed by a rotating panel of four women and one man. disputed that. he said that s what he played it, but he himself didn t feel that. that was basically agreeing with the facts of the case. i think that if donald trump wasn t president and didn t have those justice department guidelines, there s a good chance he would have been indicted yesterday as i coconspirator in this and a lot of legal experts think that s the case. also take a step back, john edwards was brought to trial over something very similar with less evidence about the real question is, what else doesn t michael: no? what has he told mueller, what has he told prosecutors with other cases? he s been intimately involved with donald trump for a very, very long time and i think that s why you saw last night donald trump being careful not going after him at that rally because i think the president might be a little nervous. melissa: and i think there s enough here. and as it doesn t sound like something you would get fined for. i think it s a tough case to him, but the other thing you have to bear in mind with respect to cohen, cohen was originally mueller s case. mueller allowed the case to go to the southern district. melissa: he kicked it there there. andrew: right. but he would have done the same thing to cohen as he did to manafort. melissa: there s one different ingredient with michael cohen. he didn t stay true to the president. in the president didn t stay true to him. he didn t bring him along to the campaign. there are already some relational type situations reported there, to, and that act of disloyalty on either part, it opened a door. you could treat him legally probably differently too. bless his background as the deputy chairman of the rnc for finance. this was a guy that was going to play differently anyway, he didn t know about the 2700. andrew: i think that the relative to drums calculations but as a prosecutor, i think one of the things you want to bear in mind is how effective would cohen be as a witness? melissa: has that changed, is he not effective now? he did not plead guilty to a cooperation agreement which is what you do with someone. you get the guy to plead guilty to everything, and then his only way out is to cooperate with you and you file a motion at the en end. they didn t do that with him. it s the one there s two different things going on, there is a legal angle which you just mentioned i do think president trump s legal liability is low in this case. you look at campaign finance violations that happen all the time and his 2008 campaign was the largest we have seen, and let s talk about politics of this as well, which is the other angle. i do think this is bad for republicans in a sense and i ve always been told in a political narrative, it comes in threes. this is not good for republicans, this has not been a good week for republicans. with regard to impeachment to have brought up, i think that will be tough for democrats. he would have to have an overwhelming margin of democrats in the house for them to entertain the idea of impeachment. but what will happen is one there will be articles of impeachment. number two you will have tons of hearings that are going on by democrats. essentially you have multiple hearings going on and this is what democrats will be talking about. that does hurt president trump and trying to move things forward in his agenda. i ve heard marie say, you can t make it all about resistance and, go after the president on impeachment, you have to have a message. i think yesterday change that calculation a little bit. a melissa: i think it s interesting, because if you go after the president on this count and say we are going to impeach, that energizes republicans who feel like they are having their president taken away. also lanny davis said earlier when he was in that interview, which i thought kind of undermined his point. he said he had this come-to-jesus moment with michael: when he was watching the helsinki press conference. for the average american who hears that, that s not really believable and that s lanny davis putting a political spin on a case which i don t think helps him. he also begged for money twice in that interview where he talked about the website. go and donate money to michael cohen. that money you would assume will go to his defense and go to lanny davis, which was a little distasteful. i think they were up to $17,000. money is part of the equation. melissa: we have much more to talk about, we barely stretch, scratch the surface. president trump stepping in to the fiery debate over some nfl players refusing to stand for our national anthem. the president blasting the espn decision not to televise anthem before games. is this the right way for the network to handle the controversy? plus new fallout in the verdict in the broad trial of former trump campaign chairman paul manafort. we will discuss the impact on the president and the mueller investigation. president trump: i feel very bad for paul manafort. it had nothing to do with russian collusion. we continue the witch hunt. and purchase a new samsung phone. visit your local xfinity store today. melissa: we come in with this fox news alert. new reaction from the president after a federal jury found his former campaign chairman paul manafort guilty on eight counts of the 18 on bank fraud and tax fraud. and a mistrial was declared on those other ten. manafort could face a maximum of 80 years in prison. president trump reiterated, manafort, and the case brought by robert mueller have nothing to do with his work for the campaign. watch. president trump: paul manafort is a good man. he was with ronald ragan and a lot of other people over the years. it doesn t involve me but i still feel it s a very sad thing that happened. this had nothing to do with russian collusion. it started as a russian collusion and has nothing to do, it s a witch hunt and a disgrac disgrace. melissa: meanwhile as a president headed to a political rally in west virginia, chuck schumer warned the president against any pardons of paul manafort or his former attorney michael cohen. i understand the president is on his way to a rally. he better not talk about pardons for michael: , paul manafort tonight or any night in the future. you know, in all of this with paul manafort, even the judge in the case, ts ellis said, we aren t going to discuss russian collusion, it s not part of this case. why hammer that point now if you are the president s legal team? what are they trying to accomplish that the judge didn t accomplish for them? i don t know. i think it s a mistake to keep hammering this because i think if you look objectively at what has happened here, i really don t think mueller is trying to make a collusion case against the president. i think mueller is pursuing his original objective which is russia s interference in the election of which the collusion thing was one strand. my view of it is, he s interested in manafort because of manafort, not because of trump and collusion. the reason i say that is, he s had to gates as a cooperator for six months. and yet what has happened since gates has been a cooperator? he s brought to indictments against groups of russians that don t even hint that there was any collusion. in fact reading the indictment suggests exactly the opposite, that the russians were doing their own thing. it s three marie: he mentioned some congressional candidates. that is not the way that it would be done. so i think he s making a big mistake, continually attacking mueller because he sort of begging for his mueller to write a report that will be scathing. and just to defend himself. it doesn t look like that from the outside. if these people in his constellation, cohen and manafort, and lisa mentioned a wider scope. but collins and duncan hunter in that order were the first sitting members of congress to endorse the president. so they are in the constellation of conversation that we are talking about it, but if it really has nothing to do with the investigation, why even bring it up. the six i didn t mean to indicate he wasn t interested in trump at all. leave three the new narrative that you may have picked up has nothing to do with me which is what the president said. and that i would say would be better nomenclature. or better narratives. andrew: it would be better than a full frontal assault on the prosecutor who up into this point has not indicated there is anything corrupt. so it does make sense for president trump to wage this battle against mueller because it is a political fight, it is a p.r. fight and that s what president trump is doing. the public polling has been different, but i think pointing to the manafort case, what president trump can say and what senator lindsey graham pointed out last night, this has nothing to do with collusion. i actually think president trump is being smart from a p.r. standpoint and a political standpoint, maybe not from you putting your lawyer hat on. i would push back in this sense. i agree with you that he has done a public relations strategy because he s thinking about impeachment which is not about what happens in court. but i think you have to play out the whole chess game. whatever the polls look like now, the last word on this is going to be manafort s report. we talked about this once before. i m not saying that you say anything in the report that s untrue, but you can write a report. or, you can write a report. that sounds like spin to me. is also worth remembering that the next trial that will be happening in d.c. is in a large part about manafort s work. so we don t know melissa: at the very dirty president of ukraine legally and politically. that s right. the russia issue there is another guy i m talking about the first thing that paul manafort was lobbying for didn t report that and there are people who have said that when he was running the campaign, the platform of the campaign became much more progression and much less pro-ukrainian. so i think these issues are going to come up in the next trial. melissa: but we ve already learned from this past trial in terms of the 58 or so million dollars, that s where some of that money was coming from because he was doing work for that former president. i will be interested to see if the trial happens. now why do you think a second trial wouldn t happen? if we all are right, that what mueller is trying to accomplish is to squeeze manafort, it looks like he has them on 80 years of criminal exposure. you don t think he will appeal it? that judge put these prosecutors through the paces. and then he has the d.c. case is a home game, and i m sure he was happy that that was first. and it s not like he was acquitted yesterday, he has ten more points in his pocket. it boggles my mind a little bit when people say the manafort thing has nothing to do with russia because that s where the money came from originally. it s kind of like, that s what it all goes back to india see through their how he could have become vulnerable. the question is what did he do from there and what of the do. melissa: and that might not happen so what happens in its place? maybe he pleads guilty and cooperate with mueller which is what it s been about all along. if i were thinking of a pardon, the last thing i would want is my misconduct melissa: out while lenny davis said that michael cohen wouldn t take a pardon. i don t take i believe that. that story broke at the same time. that puts him on hold and the reporting was, it s likely because he may be ready to cooperate. i think flynn s sentencing has been put off because if mueller agreed to sentence him at this point, it said that we are not ready yet. sadness now combining with outrage. police have revealed the suspect accused of murdering iowa college student mollie tibbetts was in our nation illegally for years. president trump mentioned this case at his rally last night in west virginia. and the heated immigration debate. stay close. president trump: you heard today about the illegal alien coming in very sadly, from mexico. and you saw what happened to that incredible, beautiful young woman. alright, i brought in new max protein .to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don t. i ll take that. 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go to representative joe kennedy s account. that s not the point i make. don t inaccurately label what i just said it. lisa. okay come on. you just said they care about immigrants more than they do american citizens. when do you talk about angel parents? no it s okay. here s the point. democrats of course want to keep american citizens safe. the idea that they don t is completely unfair and not borne out by the facts. the truth is, we need to immigration overhaul to happen in this country. the republican house couldn t even pass up 1 of 3 bills, they try to. go ahead. we need to compromise. we need both sides not to run two extremes, to come to the middle of the table and talk about how to reform our immigration system. but saying democrats don t care about the safety of americans is not compromised talk. now i don t think that will happen before the midterms, and we will see what happens after the election but the truth is there is no one in the congress that is willing right now to take tough votes on and immigration issue because both extremes of both parties are winning today. harris: i will agree 100% on that last one. leading at the democrats, some say the face of your party, a marine. then you see on the flip side, republicans, some in the house, able to get that four prong bill that the president really wanted and the senate not being able to do the same thing. it s complicated on the hill. and the house didn t even pass at. for the compromise bill that didn t get a single democrat vote either. melissa: let s hear what former i.c.e. director tom homan said, about how to actually fix this problem. this is why we need the wall. this is why we need to fix the loopholes. i m sick and tired of talking about this issue and meeting yet another angel mom that has been created at the hands of illegal immigrants. andrew: is hyper politicized, but even the wall, people here, the wall, and they get all whipped up. but probably 40 or 50% of illegal immigration in the country is not border crossers, it s people who come into the country illegally and say. but if you don t fix the border enforcement component, there is a lot of rhetoric on both sides. my own position, or what it s worth, is that you have to fix the border enforcement in a way that convinces the country that we are actually serious about enforcing the borders, and then maybe that creates a political space to do all the other things that need to be done. the democrats think that is an extreme position, but i don t think that will be a position that moves. i think if you don t fix that piece first, then you don t get to everything. melissa: but what you are saying is we do need that political space. because when you look at rivera, in the mollie tibbetts case, he was here in excess of four years and worked for a farm in iowa. according to the farm s ownership had gone through some sort of e-verify situation. so we need to take a look at, i guess, all of it. all of it. melissa: at the white house responding to senator schumer s call for republicans to stop the process for supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh in the aftermath of yesterday s legal developments. whether the movie is just plain politics, or fair game. oh! oh! ozempic®! 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that ship has sailed. andrew: even in the 90s. ginsburg was like 98-nothing, it is to not be as political too long ago. melissa: but you are too ashamed to vote on party lines at that point. went on democrats the point being is the ship s sailing and it s moving forward. kavanaugh will be confirmed unless he implodes during the confirmation hearing, this thing is happening. as long as i get republicans on board. you look at polling and in a lot of these red states there s been polling in indiana, west virginia, the majority of these red states wants their senator to confirm kavanaugh. so melissa: candidates are helping that desire among theirs. so you are also going to pick up some of those red state democrats and this is happening. so we can debate all those different things. does this change the way we look at the supreme court justice position? because you pointed out with a huge majority in favor, bipartisan or nonpartisan, whatever it was. but does this fight kind of cheapen or weaken? andrew: i think that ship has sailed. i think a lot of people, myself included, look at the court as much more of a political institution done a legal institution in the way it used to be. these battles are political. donald trump is president today because of justice the lease. if that had not been the case, you would not be president. it s infused with of politics and i don t think there s any getting away with it. we will continue to watch that hearing. president trump calling out the nfl players and the league itself over national anthem protests and now he is going after espn. what the sports network data and what the president has to say about it, next. stay tuned. speak to you are all proudly standing for our national anthem, thank you. [cheers and applause] the espn thing was terrible, it just came out. george woke up in pain. but he has plans today. hey dad. so he took aleve. if he d taken tylenol, he d be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. aleve. all day strong. the first survivor of alzis out there.ase and the alzheimer s association is going to make it happen. but we won t get there without you. join the fight with the alzheimer s association. but first let s touch base with harris and see what s coming up on outnumbered over time. harris: big show for you coming up in a few minutes. president trump going after the russian investigation after two of his former associates have been convicted. is he right? robert mueller s probe has strayed too far from its original intent. and david sicilian he will debate, and that will be spicy, no doubt. and is this more proof that we need tougher immigration laws? senator joni ernst of iowa will weigh in when she joins me. top of the hour. melissa? melissa: sounds like a good show, harris. president trump again weighing in on the latest of the nfl national anthem controversy. at his rally in west virginia last night. he set his sights on espn this time after the network announced it would not show the anthem in its monday night football broadcast. listen. president trump: it was just announced by espn that, rather than defending our anthem, our beautiful, beautiful national anthem, and defending our flag, they have decided that they just want broadcast what they play. so while the players are dealing, you are all proudly standing for our national anthe national anthem. what s interesting here is they held a summit on white house reform just a few weeks ago. do you think that the players took players off the field there would be room for compromise? on the issue i think possibly. and we ve seen people who have gone out and work with communities and tried to get players into the community is to talk about these issues. donald trump has said these players should be fired. so yes he had a wet roundtable but his language against them is so incredibly offensive. the espn doesn t normally broadcast the anthem, it s their normal procedure and they are not going to change it now. donald trump thinks this issue wins with his base. but all he is doing is playing politics. has issue is the fact that they are doing this on the time of the game, the fact that they are doing this on the clock when they are supposed to be playing a game. and the owners can make that decision. so the difference that i say, they brought this off the field, which is what president has an issue with, maybe that s an area of compromise. you look at the majority of voters, not just republicans in a space, but they have largely been against still kneeling. the majority of americans don t want to see this happening so how do you think announcements like this from espn play into that? how do you think the viewers will feel? melissa: i don t know who they are pulling when they ask people about this. we watch football, we love football football in our house. i m generally not organized enough to be there when the national anthem is going on, i m still making snacks in the kitchen and getting people to sit down. so i recognize the issue, but i don t think we even know everyone is kind of doing it for a different reason. they are out for a different issue and standing up for a different right and the whole thing kind of just goes by and it s time for the seven layer dip. andrew: i think it s just a master culture warrior in the sense that, he can take a 50/50 issue that is good for him, a disaster for the nfl and probably a disaster for espn. but they didn t change what they did. they ve never broadcasted it. melissa: so maybe i wasn t making chips, it just wasn t on tv. andrew: when i was a kid, deep into the last century, they always play the national anthem and they haven t done it for years. on tv, that is. melissa: every thing is political these days. more outnumbered in just from $899, during sleep number s biggest sale of the year . it senses your movement, and automatically adjusts . . pedal to the metal. and now, all beds are on sale. save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, 24-month financing and free home delivery. ends saturday. sleep number. proven, quality sleep. what does help for heart fait looks like this. entresto is a heart failure pill that helped keep people alive and out of the hospital. don t take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don t take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if you ve had angioedema with an ace or arb. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. ask your doctor about entresto. the beat goes on. yeah!