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group. when they take our stuff, we go, get our group together, we go fight them and get our stuff back. >> pierre chatman was the first heartless felon who agreed to talk to me. >> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest
>> pierre chatman was the first heartless felon who agreed to talk to me. >> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest of the heartless felons as well.
back. >> pierre chatman was the first heartless felon who agreed to talk to me. >> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest of the heartless felons as well.
>> pierre chatman was the first heartless felon who agreed to talk to me. >> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest of the heartless felons as well. >> you lying to me. we have a problem with the heartless felon gang. they constantly always involved in extorting, threatening, manipulating.
>> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest 0 the heartless felons as well. >> you lying to me. we have a problem with the heartless felon gang. they constantly always involved in extorting, threatening, manipulating.
>> pierre chatman was the first heartless felon who agreed to talk to me. >> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest 0 the heartless felons as well. >> you lying to me. we have a problem with the heartless felon gang. they constantly always involved
>> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest 0 the heartless felons as well. >> you lying to me. we have a problem with the heartless felon gang. they constantly always involved in extorting, threatening,
>> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest of the heartless felons as well.
talk to me. >> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too much, though. >> gang investigator sam mclaren felt the same way about the rest 0 the heartless felons as well. >> you lying to me. we have a problem with the heartless felon gang. they constantly always involved in extorting, threatening, manipulating.
but its members referred to it by another name, the family. because they say that's what they really are. >> heartless felon is like a family for real. it started for me in juvenile, people from other cities, they here, columbus, cincinnati, they go down there, take our stuff, and pick on us, we formed a group. when they take our stuff, we go, get our group together, we go fight them and get our stuff back. >> pierre chatman was the first heartless felon who agreed to talk to me. >> the system call it a gang. it ain't no gang, though. it's a family for real. it's just people sticking up for each other, that's all. >> you can see part of what the draw was. here are kids in juvenile jails, probably without family support, probably without resources, and they're being offered this family-like situation, where you're going to be protected, part of something bigger, and pierre really embraced that. >> pierre chatman. pierre chatman is an orchestrator. he orchestrates. he calls the shots. pierre, as a whole, he's -- he's a nice guy but, you know, i wouldn't turn my back on him too