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>> hi, ma'am calling -- >> yes, he exploded the house. >> do you know if anyone is in the house? >> yes, there was a man and two children. i just dropped off the children and he wouldn't let me in the door. >> you will hear an exclusive interview with the man who took that call and who has been criticized for not getting help immediately. you find yourself vilified really, what was that like? >> well, it is awful. part of the problem is like most people, i think, i was aware of josh powell's story. but i didn't associate his name with the story. >> we will retrace josh powell 's last steps, mysterious trips to gas station, a storage locker where police said they found a quilt with blood on it, and the bank where the surveillance photo he has the look of a man unglued. >> nobody knew it was going on,

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this, this is just a couple and their kids. they are off, they are adults, they will be fine. >> then in the late afternoon, josh suddenly showed up with the boys, without susan. >> and i remember the feeling i had at that time -- >> which was what? >> which is josh has done something. >> josh told a story no one could believe, that the previous night, sunday, he decided to take the boys camping left around midnight, blew off work drove almost 100 miles. slept in the family vans in temperatures well below freezing, and drove back home to find susan go on. he said he had no idea what happened to her. >> when he came up with that story about going camping i just said no, i got a sick feeling, no, this is not good. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and yet they did what they felt like they thought they should do, they rallied around

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he took more than 3 or 4 substantial steps towards his death. >> the motive unfathomable. >> what is the motive for him killing his kids? is it that they started to know a little too much? >> in his last interview, we will hear from josh powell himself, who offered like the negative of the film a bizarre reversal of the truth. >> i love my sons more than anything, i put them first. i put my family first. >> on february 5th, 2012, while the rest of the country was settling down to watch the super bowl, josh powell was setting a trap for his own young sons. what happened in there was really only the last chapter of a very long, sad story. of fathers and sons and husbands and wives, sexual delusions, murders, suicide and secrets. some of those secrets no doubt were burned up in the fire, but some things we do know. and they go to the darkest recesses of the human heart.

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that that story, or those stories rather, as told by your dad are accurate, and the stories told by jennifer graves and susan's friends, that susan was horrified by this and wanted to get the heck away from this as much as she could, that those stories are lies? >> that is right. >> so, on that night in december 2009, when you went out to the desert with the kids to go camping, what happened to susan? >> i think that susan simply left. >> simply left? i mean, midnight, 1:00 in the morning, just i've had enough, i'm out of here? was she angry those days? >> no. >> was she distressed? >> no. >> did she continue to assert that she loved you? >> yes.

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>> the visit is with josh powell. he is the husband that i supervise. >> so you supervise and you're doing to visit? >> when i supervise -- >> you supervise yourself? >> i supervise myself. >> wait a minute, if it's a supervised visit, you can't supervise yourself. >> it's painful because you know what is going to happen when you listen to it. at the time, you don't know what was going to happen. as you listen to it now, what does it do to you? >> it's excruciating. it is painful to listen to. >> the dad's last name? >> powell. >> i was aware of josh powell story, but i didn't associate his name. and so his name was not resonating with me. >> to l's at the end of powell? >> yes. >> realizing what we know now i wish i would've recognize the urgency of the situation. >> you're in a position that nobody could've imagined. >> right. you don't automatically default to the notion that the person you're dealing with is a psychopath. it's difficult when one goes south on you, like this one did.

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had grown up with josh powell. >> i said don't worry about this, this is just a couple and their kids they are off, they are adults, they will be fine. >> then the late afternoon josh suddenly showed up with the boys, without susan. >> and i remember the feeling i had at that time -- >> which was what? >> which is that josh has done something. >> josh told the story no one could believe that the previous night someday he decided to take the boys camping left around midnight, blew off work drove almost 100 miles slept in the family vans in temperatures well below freezing and drove back home to find susan go on. he said he had no idea what happened to her. >> when he came up with that story about going camping i just said no, i got a sick feeling, it's not good. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and yet they did what they

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everyone else, a fateful choice it turned out. and what you are telling me is that story, or those stories rather as told by your dad or accurate and the stories told by jennifer graves and susan's friends that susan was horrified by this and wanted to get the heck away from this as much as she could, those stories are lies? >> that is right. >> so, on that night in december 2009, when you went out to the desert with the kids to go camping, what happened to susan? >> i think that susan simply left. >> simply left? i mean, midnight, 1:00 in the morning, i've had enough and i'm out of here? was she angry those days? >> no. >> was she distressed?

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who caught the initial call that day. >> what is the address? >> just 1000 in his 18 years in the job. >> to hear how clumsy and faltering i sounded. >> the visit is with josh powell. he is the husband that i supervise. >> so you supervise and you're doing to visit? >> when i supervise -- the >> you supervise yourself? >> i'm the supervisor here. >> wait a minute, if it's a supervised visit you can supervise yourself. >> it's painful because you know what is going to happen when you listen to it. at the time you don't know what was going to happen. as you listen to it now, what does it do to you? >> it's excruciating. it is painful to listen to. >> the dad's last name? >> powell. >> i was aware of josh powell story but i didn't associate his name and so his name was not resonating with me. >> to else at the end of powell? >> yes. >> realizing what we know now i wish i would've recognize the urgency of the situation.

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now, there's apparently normal family. a young father and his two young sons walking a postcard sure. skipping rocks across the surface. but under the surface, in the man's own skin, well, what was beneath the surface? how in the name of heaven did this come to this? >> hi my mom calling -- >> yes he exploded the house. >> do you know if anyone is in the house? >> yes, there was a man and two children. i just dropped off the children and he wouldn't let me in the door. >> you will hear an exclusive interview with the man who took that call, and who has been criticized for not getting help immediately. you find yourself vilified really what was i like? >> well, it is awful. part of the problem is i like most people, i think, i was aware of josh powell's story but i didn't associate his name with the story. >> we will retrace josh

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