hysterical even more than usual, keep in mind this was a nonbinding, unenforceable agreement whose effect even if every nation involved follow the agreement to the letter cannot be in the position. in the world literally as they say. if billionaire democratic donor described trump s decision as assault and battery on the future of the american people. cnn warned its viewers to expect mass extensions, flooding in the streets of new york city, the physical annihilation of the marshall islands. the aclu concluded leaving the agreement was a massive step back for racial justice and an assault on communities of color. there was cable news, the long faces, the grave, the florid and outraged proclamations. it was like somebody died, millions of them actually. on a sunny day in the rose garden, what could be defined and construed as a dark speech. this will be the the day that believe. the irony is almost none of the religious figures you saw sermonizing on tillage vision to date know much about the paris agreement beyond the bullet points they d been handed by their producers 10 minutes before. they have any idea and why haven t they told us until now? before today most of the people you just saw spend far more time yammering about transgender bathrooms than about climate accords. what is in the agreement, there are a lot of things in the agreement and few of them are worth knowing. if the u.s. were stick with this accord we be pledging to cut our greenhouse gas percentage by 26% below the levels it wasn t too thousand five, that s a big reduction. it s not expected of china, india, or other huge polluting countries which happen to be our chief economic rivals. under the paris agreement, rich nations like the united states agreed to send $100 billion to poorer countries every year starting in 2020 to eight with their transition to great energy. president obama present the mic pledged $3 billion to this fund, they don t believe you should be consulted before they change your life forever and mostly they don t bother to consult to accept today, they didn t get their way and they are hysterical about it. maybe they will have to make a real argument on behalf of what they believe by force on you, that s why the system was supposed to work, philip levine is part of the system come his former hillary clinton survey the mike surrogate, he joins us from palm beach to knightsbridge thank you, miami beach. tucker: did i say palm beach? you said palm beach but miami beach where it s at. tucker: i have mar-a-lago, excuse me. you mean that new waterpark in the future? you re here to concern about rising sea levels, i m agnostic about it. i m wondering how this specific agreement sending $3 billion a year to countries like india and china who don t have to lower their admissions rates is going to fix that global warming problem in miami beach. let me tell you what s going on in miami beach, we have streets that are flooding during sunny days. the water levels have gone up dramatically. we moved forward to raise our roads, put in pumps, change our building codes. is not because we re so excited to have to do that but we have to do it for survival of our city. it s not just miami beach commits coastal cities all over the world. i heard what you had to say but i ve got to tell you something, when the world leading scientists are telling you this is what s going on and some of the smartest minds in the world are telling you this is the reason why, at some point you have to listen. tucker: you re actually dodging my question completely and i m not denying the existence of sea level rise. i merely asking a very specific policy question. how will the terms of the paris agreement handing $3 billion per year to indian and china which do not have to lower their admissions how will that help what s going on in miami beach, what you just described? as the world is getting too hot and too warm, the oceans are rising and that s affecting miami beach. it s affecting all coastal cities. tucker: i can t let you judge it again. i m asking a very specific agreement that you and everyone else on the left is beating their chest about anna trump is destroying, i m open minded, tell me how that specific agreement and the financial arrangements in it will help the problems described. i m going to tell you why. i m not the guy from the left. the one thing i could tell you i call myself a radical centrist. rising oceans aren t republican and arch democrats. what does the agreement do? it puts the world together in alignment and says we have a problem. let s work together and solve the problem. what about the slight chance all the world s scientists and some of these great minds, let s say they re right. if they are, maybe it s a good idea if we do something about i it. tucker: you re describing religious faith. i don t have to bother to learn any of the details about a very specific agreement that we are all mad about today because there are people whose names i don t know who think it s a good idea. my question to you is why one of the average person say i m open-minded but why don t you give me some specifics and tell me more, when we overcome i don t force me to participate as a democracy. no question as a democracy is an american democracy and it s a will democracy. we used to be the leader in that free will democracy and i think today what fareed zakaria said it s kind of red, we give up leadership. tucker: i thought you guys believed in science, one that you give me once you tell me why allowing china to take a pass on reducing its greenhouse emissions for years is going to reduce global warming and its effects? i don t understand what mark china signed this agreement, everyone is in it together, to make the world a better place to reduce these omissions. if is there a single person watching the show stupid enough to be confessed by what you re saying. almost every mayor in america now has come together and say were going to hit her to the protocols. tucker: other people are doing if, therefore it s a good idea? your constituents, your public, the obligation of explaining a clear simple terms specifically how the terms of this agreement will achieve the goal they say they will. the terms are very clear, if you reduce your greenhouse emissions and you lower the temperature the waters will stop rising. that is a global agreement. tucker: that makes perfect sense but of course it does. tucker: it actually doesn t doesn t, last question. if you may be totally right, i m not denying that you are. if that s true, if reducing emissions will prevent the seas from rising, then why not require india and china and the world s other biggest polluters to do that? it does, it brings everybody together. the one thing i learned with the president s comments today what he said about pittsburgh, the mayor of pittsburgh as a friend of mine who doesn t agree with this, what s incredible i didn t realize ohio and pittsburgh doesn t get affected by climate change? it s an interesting thing i just learned of. tucker: you re making me more nervous than i was when this segment began, i appreciate you coming on. hillary clinton s 2016 excuse tour continues today, she spoke tonight in new york city, if that place sounds familiar, it s the place clinton abandon her supporters on election night. she didn t even bother to show up after she failed to win. instead she sent john podesta out to send her sobbing fans home. seven months later, clinton showed up what does she have to say? she suggested she was ready to take responsibility for losing. the really painful experiences honestly understanding what i didn t do well, or what i didn t do well enough, or what our shortcomings were, where we missed an opportunity where we didn t do in retrospect what might ve worked better. tucker: but then, no, she went right back to the russian conspiracy. obviously i m particularly concerned about the role that russia played about the very serious interference that we know, they are responsible for in our most fundamental democratic act. if you can t be all right with the idea that the foreign adversary was try to influence the election. the tucker: it wasn t secret macedonian agents who derailed her god-given presidency, it was a sexism paired in my book, i take on the issues of sexism and misogyny. , it may be uncomfortable for some people to read how i experienced it, what i believe about it, but i think it s a conversation we need to have creative tucker: she also did nothing to back off her comments yesterday when she began its part spotting full-blown conspiracy theories about how the trump campaign masterminded a russian effort to destroy her. the russians, wikileaks, same thing. dumped the john podesta emails, my email account was turned into the biggest scandal since lord knows when. they covered it like it was pearl harbor and got paid for the speeches they made, i got paid for the speeches i made. it was used and i thought it was unfairly used, i have my complaints about former director comey. tucker: endlessly against the president, his narcissistic, he won t accept information he disagrees with, he betrays friends and allies for his own personal gain, based on what you just saw and her baby hater the last few weeks, to any of these criticisms not apply to hillary clinton? she can t accept explanations for her defeat, like us us will be at, sorry she searches sabotage her. she s accusing the trump campaign affording specific packing efforts to the minute and provides no evidence and she s so narcissistic the only person she can t blame for her defeat is herself. even her biggest handicaps were self-inflicted, charles krauthammer is a writer and columnist who joins us now. it just sound like what people make of trump. i know i m in a minority with conservatives, it could be because i was in my youth a liberal. i retain that marshmallow deep inside of my heart. and i try not to betray these days. but it s a pathetic performance. the it s childish, she can t accept responsibility. she is at this where she says i love in one of her ribs she says was a perfect candidate? no. did i make mistakes? yes. these are rhetorical devices, whoever said she was a perfect candidate? she was a terrible candidate, she was the worst of manageable. she couldn t shake the challenge of a 74-year-old socialist who, this is the best part about bernie sanders, honeymooned in the soviet union. she couldn t shake his challenge for six months. lindsey graham once said about bernie and the soviet union, yes, and he never left. that was her challenge and she had the dnc behind her, she complained about the dnc being against her. it s not delusional, losing an election, losing something you ve been after for eight years probably 16 years is pretty hard. i think her handlers are somebody who cares for her should have said don t go out there. you wait a few more years, people will mellow to you, they want to remember details, they will have some affection for yo you. michael dukakis, walter mondale, these are people who didn t elicit the same kind of antipathy she does because they didn t wallow in self-pity. tucker: and anger, and it comes off i understand the disappointment she put a lot on the lined and she lost, you can understand her great disappointment. this is not helpful to the democratic party. she needs to think through why they lost, she s making it hard to do that. the best thing that s happened to the party and i would say probably one of the best things that donald trump ever did as he put an end to the clinton dynasty. it was not helping the party, it was trapped in the past. why was she running? what would she stand for? the most pathetic part of the leaks with the internal memos were she kept demanding they come up with a message. what is her message? you re approaching 70 years old, you ve been running for a decade and you don t know why you re running? she never knew what she was running? it was her turn, it was like that famous moment in the late 70s when teddy kennedy was running for president and roger mudd asked him why are you running? and he couldn t answer. the answer was because i m supposed to, i m supposed to, i m entitled to, sanders had a message. if he had a message for america, he had a political theory for all of his weirdness and the fact that socialism isn t exactly a good fit in america, there was substance. there was none there. i think in the end, that s what defeated her. there was no rationale for her run and the democratic party suffered being trapped by the clinton machine, nobody would rise, there were no serious candidates to challenge her. which should have happened but she cleared the field, she had all the money. she had the official backing, she had the name, the president looked at in some ways fondly at least by democrats. that wasn t enough. tucker: what a sad story. i don t want to be cynical about this but really she ought to just let it sit for a while and let people appreciate her good qualities. tucker: i think that s a really wise piece of advice, i don t you listen but she should. thank you. even many in the press think hillary clinton s claims have gone too far, also another man is being fingered as a key figure in the fbi probe of the russian connection, that man dares to join us just ahead. eow, but you don t have to do this. man #2: what if a tree falls on our garage? 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let me explain one thing, we acknowledge tragedies in a show like this that happened earlier today, i think pulling out of this climate deal was a tragedy for future generations. and for the economy, as the ceos of dow and g.e. and apple and others. tucker: you re in morning. that makes you kneel unique. who were the macedonians? what she was talking about, 17 intelligence agencies said without qualification that the russians were behind the subversion of the elections. a spoon she s talking about the macedonians, who were these macedonians? she tried to become president six months ago. yesterday on live tv with cara swisher she said at the macedonian agents who were they? i think we have reports of that as well, they were also working in cahoots with the russians and wikileaks? tucker: how do we know that? what we know what the facts. the facts are a couple days before the democratic convention, wikileaks dropped these emails that are very damaging, debbie wasserman schultz created chaos there. conversations with julie mesons, wikileaks, the hour after access hollywood said yesterday the dee going to drop and drop, dick cheney called it an act of war. if you don t agree with that, you have a complaint with him. tucker: i don t think dick cheney is arguing that the macedonians stole the election from hillary clinton but she is arguing that. i have to be honest with you you ve been around a long time, i know a ton of democrats here in washington, i don t know one of them who isn t shocked by what hillary clinton said yesterday, attacking the democratic party, attacking barack obama it to mike dnc, when she had twice the money of donald trump on the sitting president of the united states put everything on the line for her and she attacks barack obama yesterday? far be it for me to up defend obama but that s insane pretty tried hard to get her elected and failed and she s attacking him now. charles just said what a horrible candidate this was. got more primary votes than barack obama. tucker: she lost and there are a lot of reasons why. but to turn around and blame the democratic party which was all in for hillary clinton, this is a horrible thing to do. as a democrat, how can you defend that? her principal beef is with comey. the principal one is with comey. tucker: what about sexism? the day of the comey letter, it is up six, by the time of the dust settles every single morning for the next week, the mainstream media is talking about the comey letter and breaks for trump in those few tweets. it tucker: i ve heard the theory, what did she do wrong? i take responsibility, i did wrong, i never heard what exactly she did wrong. how did she mess up? she must be culpable, she lost her section election in a row. what specifically did she do wrong? i think of what she would say it from a messaging standpoint she would say something along the lines of i know how to create a 22 new jobs, i was in the white house when that happened. this business about what trump said about creating jobs would be an illusion. tucker: because my husband did it, therefore because she was there, we now have somebody who doesn t really know that frederick douglass is not alive, andrew jackson wasn t a run for the war. tucker: nt one, if only she had a different message but isn t the message the same as the campaign? the entire campaign is built around a message, your conceded she had a wrong message, that s like saying the car has no engine. at the fact that the message was great until the comey letter. she was up six-point? it was more than obama was up tucker: i can remember what was the message before the comey letter. the help you re going to get whether it s through education, research develop meant or job training, child care. all the things frankly we ve seen congress say no to. tucker: i want to be clear, what did she do wrong? she had this great message that she couldn t explain it was working until the comey letter. tucker: she changed her message after the comey letter? i m saying the comey letter was so serious. more searches for clinton fbi after the comey letter. there was a big distraction, the message was working, she would have been seen as a genius. tucker: i think comey heard her, i just want to know what she did wrong and neither you nor she can give me a clear more about jobs, less stronger together. it would be about jobs, jobs, jobs, i think she had a credible case because when she was living in the white house, 22 million jobs were created. tucker: what and she said? i think what you have her on the show you have to ask her. she had the core competence that we now pray for. tucker: she seemed kind of nuts yesterday, but whatever commences my view. it s great to see you, thank you for that. hillary clinton is the only one determined to expand the russian conspiracy, no unnamed sources within the u.s. intelligence community are calling nigel farrage, he s agreed to leave his handlers behind and join us for that question, stay tuned plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. and now. i m back! aleve pm for a better am. award winning interface. award winning design. award winning engine. the volvo xc90. the most awarded luxury suv of the century. visit your volvo dealer to take advantage of our midsommar sales event offer. no go. but i didn t back down. i talked to my doctor. she said: one, movantik was specifically designed for opioid-induced constipation-oic- and can help you go more often. number two? 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i have to say, if ever there was a case of a fake, this is i it. what they have done as they tried to join the dots together. i was involved with brexit, i was involved with a trump campaign, and 2016, therefore i must somehow be associated with the russians. it is total and utter hysterical nonsense. it tucker: it s a little more than that because this arose in the guardian newspaper which is very left wing does journalism. they are claiming sources who they imply are in the u.s. government are saying this. i have no doubt that it is untrue, it s libel. it s also suggesting the u.s. government is trying to hurt you in a significant way. does that bother you? i just don t believe it. it could be anybody, they tried to imply another person of interest, they ve rung up the fbi, you haven t given them an answer either way. i would be very surprised if i was a person of interest, i ll tell you why. i ve never done business in russia, i have literally no political connections with russia whatsoever, the whole thing is a fantasy from people who cannot accept the fact that they lost badly last year. tucker: have you ever passed microfilm and a public park to a russian agent, and what about macedonia? do you have any connections to secret agents in macedonia? i only wish i had to because life would be so much more exciting, i m afraid not guilty on both questions. it tucker: were laughing about this because it is so ludicrous. it s a definition of ludacris. it s also damaging to accuse people in public, even anonymously of a reputation destroying act like collaborating with an authoritarian government such as putin s. we ve seen a lot of this, i don t know if we ve ever had political witch hunts in great britain but we have here, and this looks like one of them to be. the this is far bigger than anything i ve seen in britain certainly since brexit, they tro apportion blame. they try to make out a net worth of hate, they haven t gotten very far with it. the concern with this one is that it s actually gaining some traction in the usa among a lot of democrats who are beginning to believe this constant stream of rubbish that is put out about the russian conspiracy. the difficulty is, put yourself in my shoes, just what do you do when the guardian newspaper publishes a story like this? how do you disprove them? how can you make them reveal their sources? without going to the high court and spending hundreds and thousands of dollars and months of your life on it, it s very, very difficult. tucker: how did you respond to this? i did say to the british media that i apologize for taking a long time, i was so busy laughing when i read the article, it is utter nonsense. i think in my case and 48 hours, this will blow over. tucker: you have a much better sense of humor than i do, i salute you for that. a calm and s and an amused detachment that i envy. nigel farrage, you re being wrong to and you are nice to come on tonight. tucker: the attorney general of the state of ohio now suing the five major drug manufacturers saying they help addicts to america to opiate painkillers in order to make a quick buck. the attorney general of ohio joins us next. tomorrow is not a given. but entresto is a medicine that helps make more tomorrows possible. tomorrow, tomorrow. i love ya, tomorrow in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto helped more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don t take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. if you ve had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, don t take entresto. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure. .kidney problems, or high potassium in your blood. tomorrow, tomorrow i love ya, tomorrow ask your heart doctor about entresto. and help make tomorrow possible. you re only a day away. try new parodontax toothpaste. generation opportunity to fix america s broken tax coden a by pushing their harmful bat tax. the senate has said no way. president trump says it s too complicated and his top economic advisor says it will force consumers to pay more for everyday things they rely on. mnuchin: it has the potential to pass on significant costs to the consumer. vo: tell congress to drop the bat tax so real tax reform can get done that helps all americans. drugged which is an ongoing look at the opioid crisis gripping the united states. in previous segments we told you the major role that the oxycontin creator purdue pharma and other drug companies have played in wide acceptance and distribution of highly addictive painkillers. they argued for both of those and they work with terrible consequences. the attorney general of ohio wants to take them to task for that, his estate is suing at purdue pharma and for other drug companies and accusing them of responsibility of creating a drug epidemic, it s killed more ohioans than the vietnam war did. thanks a lot for joining us. what s the essence of your case against purdue pharma and the other four companies here? the essence of our case is this historically these pain meds were used for end-of-life situations, someone has cancer, they are dying of cancer, they are also used for someone have the wisdom tooth out, they might take one or two. beginning in the late 90s, what the drug companies did in a very concerted way, they spent hundreds of millions of dollars to do this, the doctors they were targeting were not really the payment specialists, they were the general practitioners, the family doctors that you and i would go to. if they targeted them and they wanted them to believe and told them these medications were not very addictive. they told him it was very, very appropriate for someone who has long term pain, chronic pain and they were very, very successful. not only did they convince doctors, they convince the public. what we re saying it ohio and you ve reported to very well, thank you for doing it, you ve reported what s going on in ohio and we ve been devastated. it s not just the number of people who die, losing ten or 12 a day, it s the children s services that are overflowing with foster kids. we think 50% of all the foster kids in ohio today are there because one or both parents are drug addicts. tucker: overwhelming epidemic in its scale. key question is did purdue pharma no the drugs they were selling were addictive? how could they not know that? how could they not know? they went through great expense and you ll have to hand it to them, they were very, very successful in changing the culture. they did it in some of the same ways that we ve seen before with tobacco. they would fund kind of a third party who was supposedly unbiased and they would come out with reports that say it s not very addictive. key opinion makers in their community, they would give them slides, talking points, the doctors i m sure believe what they were saying was true. they believe that, they even came up with a thing they called pseudo-addiction. when the doctor was treating that person come up purdue pharma, what you really need to do is there s not enough pain pills being prescribed, you have to go up and prescribed more, you haven t hit the point. they just really misled the american people. tucker: to have evidence that it wasn t an honest mistak mistake? here s one thing that i think is interesting. when we all get our prescriptions, you open up and there s all this fine print and there s a number of different pages in there. if you compared what is in those pages compared with what they are actually telling doctors in the glossy folders and the advertising two different things, you would find some of the more realistic examples and problems good what he read the fine print. how many people go read that fine print? anybody over 40 would have to take a magnifying glass to read it. they are saying one thing that was true in their marketing, it was simply not true. all of this is going to go to court, i have to play the lawyer and say we believe this is what the evidence will show. we spent a long time looking at this, we would not have filed this in this way thought the evidence would clear this, and convince a jury in ohio that this was true. tucker: so many lives have been destroyed, an iconic picture on the screen of grandparents passed out, o.d. done opiates, grandkids in the back. nobody hasn t been held accountable for this. if will be following this very closely, thanks for joining us tonight. steve hilton is getting a brand-new show on the fox news channel, and the next segment, stay tuned and we hope you will. there s nothing traditional about my small business. so when it comes to technology, i need someone that understands my unique needs. my dell small business advisor has gotten to know our business so well, that it feels like he s a part of our team. with one phone call, he sets me up with tailored products and services. and when my advisor is focused on my tech, i can focus on my small business. it s steve hilton, he s about to become the newest toast on this channel, his program is called the next revolution with steve hilton, he joins us now. congratulations, this is awesome. i m good to watch this show every sunday night. you re doing it from los angeles, what is that like and are you taking any flack from your neighbors who don t agree with you? 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[laughs] last night on your show, you unleash some wild speculation the president tweet covfefe was actually hungarian, i speak hungarian, i can confirm that covfefe is not hungarian. tucker: i got an email from charlie, one of the great place kickers in football history, he said not hungarian, i think it s finished now. what s the show about? what i really want the show to be about is this warm enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. it s very much in line with the way you see the world. in regard to be looking at the failures of the elitist policie policies, it really people down especially working people. worker to be setting out a positive agenda, changes that will actually help people in their daily lives. i m calling it positive populism, that s the idea. tucker: i guess the broader question here, the hysteria coming from the people in charge recently is so intense. it is that s because they feel their grip on power slipping, they re becoming more delusional, what is going on with those people? i think that s exactly right, they ve had their way for so long. they have centralized, they ve got corporations getting bigger and bigger on a global scale, unaccountable, same is happening with government, these multinational institutions. they finally see that people have had enough of its bread and vote after vote, you saw it with, you sought with donald trump last year. if the people are trying to carry out this revolution, that s why they called us the next revolution, we want to explain that pop populist movement, what should be coming next and really put power back in people s hands. one of the smartest people i know it one of the best explainers. at the show is the next revolution, thanks a lot for that. we ll be right back. a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. but no matter what path i take, i go for my best. so if there s something better than warfarin, i ll go for that too. eliquis. eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus had less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis had both. don t stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don t take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily. .and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. i m still going for my best. and for eliquis. ask your doctor about eliquis.
likely the influence of the new chief of staff here, retired general john kelly who has been clear, trying to send a signal there is a new sheriff in town. that he s not going to tolerate discord and some of these tweets that are off message. but will we see this over the course of time? that remains to be seen. we ve had sort of the pockets of the president being very restrained when it comes to his messaging. i think when it comes to the relationship on capitol hill and this next battle that you talk about, the challenges, not only do you have republicans, conservatives like jeff flake speaking out, obviously he s been critical of candidate trump all the way back to the campaign trail, but republicans just don t seem that afraid of him. that s why you have lisa murkowski saying i m going to vote against you in the health care fight. how does he get republicans on board to get tax reform done? the reality may be that they re looking at tax cuts, because they don t have that big, broad support and they didn t get health care reform passed. very quickly, i m curious, was there any chatter, you know, off camera or any chatter that hey, this president plans to make jeff flake pay a political price in 2018? any of that chatter today? i think there s not that chatter today. there was more of a dismissing jeff flake today say thing is someone who has always been critical of the president. we re not going to worry about him. but more broadly, that s the direction the president could go in as we get closer to 2018, not just against jeff flake but others who have been critical from him. the lack of response from him, that is very mature way to respond. so kasie, you talked to any member you could find today, none of them willing to back up jeff flake. is he a man on an island, or a man on a public island, but if there were a private island, he would have a lot of company? i think he has a lot of company on his private island, but nobody wants to be seen showing up by private plane on the island. i spoke to a number of republicans today. you saw there john cornyn responding hey, are you afraid of president trump? they all insist that they re not, but there is this pervasive fear of president trump. i think that s driving a lot of these dynamics. look at the actual on paper progress that this congress has made on behalf of president trump. they re ignoring his plea to take up health care again. mit and they re ignoring his frustration with jeff flake. we have a new statement tonight that unequivocally says the nrsc supporting senator flake, as we do all of our incumbent members. so they re still standing by him. i know you just caught up with him. tell me about the quick interview you just had with jeff flake. so i talked to him about this. one thing i will say, chuck, to what kristen was saying about the white house not responding, this has been a long-time critic, senator flake has been a little taken aback by the level of focus on what he had to say. i think he s been a little bit he s not said used the same strong words that he used in the op-ed in the book on camera necessarily. but he did have one noteworthy statement. talking about populism and the president s impact on the country. take a look. populism is you can win elections with it. it s popular, it s populism. but it s not a governing philosophy. it s kind of a sugar high. and if you continue in that vein, we ll lose elections. reporter: i think it s noteworthy that i didn t use the word populism in a question, he brought that up on his own by himself. look, i think flake also is confident that mcconnell will stand by him. he said hey, look, i have one tough re-elections in arizona before. thank you both. and kristen, give a special shutout to dennis gaffney. i think this is his last live shot on our show today. it is indeed, chuck. we just had some cupcakes, toasting him for an incredible legacy. he did plenty of my live shots and made me look less ugly than normal. makes us all look good, that s for sure. he s smiling from ear to ear right now. thank you both. let me bring in my panel. welcome all. this feels like we are the canary in the coal mine with jeff flake. we criticize politicians all the time for not taking a risk. he s doing this, arizona. he s putting his political career on the line with his criticism. no one can say he s not doing that. i believe that. i believe he saw something in the tea leaves three or four months ago when he started writing the book, which that trump has hated him since the fall of 2015. they had a confrontation in a meeting and flake told him his behavior was appalling, and trump said i really hope you lose. and flake said i m not up next year. and there are noises about some of them primarying him in arizona, and whether flake would find himself in the race of his life and trump would be winking and nodding for people to vote for his opponent. he may think he has nothing to lose. but having said this, this was an extraordinary thing he did, and he is reflecting opinion inside the republican party about opinions expressed freely during 2016. trump has brought the same spirit from the campaign to the presidency, and as haste week s hijinks with anthony scaramucci indicate, that is a terrifying thing for anybody who wants the country to be managed effectively. not just scaramucci, but the failure to pass a health care bill, which is a sign of not only his weakness, the president s weakness. he can t scare murkowski, collins and mccain for voting for the health care bill, he s not it s not that he s a lame duck. he s pretty lame for somebody only seven months into office. that s a bunch of other quotes here and in some ways he blames the voice. we ve given into politics of anger. these are the spasms of a dying party. anger and resentment and blaming groups of our people might work in the short term, but it s a dangerous impulse in a pluralistic society. the state of arizona gave us joe arpaio. the republican party there has always been schizophrenic, it s given us john mccain and jeff flake, and then back in the day evan meekum. he really is putting himself and this issue front and center. we re one of the last states to recognize the king holiday. the reality is, you have to ask yourself what was donald trump s crime in the minds of republican elites. jeff flake has voted 95.5% with donald trump. the predictive score is he would have voted with trump about 61% of the time. so this is not a difference in content or what they want to do. it is really to me about the gap between the text and the s subtext. if donald trump committed a crime among republican elites, he made the long-term subtext if you ve been listening to right wing talkradio, the same anger and rage and anger at the changes in the country, the same sort of, you know, sometime vulgarity existed. it s just that elites in the republican party didn t accept that as the way to market the party to the world. donald trump recognized better than they did that he could simply identify with the text of what people were saying on talkradio or listening to when they heard rush limbaugh, the anger and rage they felt all the time, the political correctness and the i can t say these things, trump said yes, you can, or i can say them for you. all trump did is take a lot of the anger already there. trump is just making it open and obvious, and the republican elites can t stand it. they want to get rid of medicaid. trump s instinct is to say that s mean. trump knows more about the republican base than jeff flake does. she brought up an interesting point. how does jeff flake square voting with him? what is that line it s clear jeff flake s problem is more in character than anything else. jeff flake is essentially doing what donald trump is doing, except in reverse, which is making a statement about what he sees the values and the tone of the republican party should be. donald trump has a tone that he thinks should be the tone of the republican party. jeff flake, he reminded me of mitt romney. ever use the phrase compassionate conservative? when mitch mcconnell brings forward a bill, of course jeff flake is going to vote for that. donald trump has no policy ideology. he doesn t have any policies he wants to advance. he was brazen and bold saying i don t think people care about policy on the campaign trail. so yes, jeff flake is going to vote with the policies. jeff flake is a conventional republican conservative. donald trump is an unconventional, non-republican, non-conservative. and most of the base of the republican party agreed with donald trump. and they also agree with jeff flake. they like trump, they have no trouble with flake s voting record or no problem with the way flake views things. how does this play out? it s about character and behavior. if that mattered, donald trump would not have been the nominee of the republican party. he ran against the tin dolls of the beltway media. he ran against marco rubio you said trump is nice on medicaid. no, no, i said he understands the base of your party better than the e heat lites do. it s not my party. the elites of the republican party thinks that the base agrees on eviscerating medicaid. donald trump understands the base of the party is fine with big government, as long as they re the beneficiaries. [ overlapping speakers ] donald trump gets them and the elites of the republican party don t. this makes very clear that jeff flake does not agree with donald trump that donald trump is someone to be feared in 2018. all right. we ll pause the conversation. coming up, can john kelly bring some much-needed direction to the white house? i ll talk to someone who has been in kelly s shoes. former clinton chief of staff william panetta joins me just ahead. only had me by one grade. we bought our first home together in 2010. his family had used another insurance product but i was like well i ve had usaa for a while, why don t we call and check the rates? it was an instant savings and i should ve changed a long time ago. there s no point in looking elsewhere really. we re the tenneys and we re usaa members for life. usaa. get your insurance quote today. ykeep you sidelined.ng that s why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing. .what you love. ensure. always be you. as the acting director in the interim. so now he ll be sworn in, presumably in the next 24 hours. this is the first time any fbi director is getting more than one no vote, there is three of them. the entire state of oregon is a no on wray. looking fabulous in my little black dress? 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well, it s very important that first and foremost that john kelly and the president understand each other in what needs to be done. and that the president is willing to delegate that authority to his new chief of staff. that has to take place. bill clinton understood the problems that were in the white house. he was willing to delegate authority to me as chief of staff, to be able to reorganize the white house and develop the kind of chain of command. that was important there. so the most important ingredient is to have a president who is willing not only to give you the authority you need, but is willing to back you up and to trust you in that process. that s going to be fundamental to john kelly s ability to be able to get his job done. you don t have just a unique insight of the job. john kelly, i believe he was one of your chief military aides during part of your tenure at the pentagon. what is a skillset that he has that you wish you had going into being chief of staff? well, i do know john. he was my military aide when i was secretary of the department of defense. he s a tough marine. he understands what discipline is all about. he understands what a strong chain of command is all about. he understands what an orderly process is all about. he understands that you have to stay focused on accomplishing the mission. those are all important ingredients that go to his experience as a marine. those are good qualities. i think the important thing he s going to have to pick up on is the politics of operating within the white house. the politics of understanding where the staff is, what the relationships are, and also the politics of dealing with capitol hill. because in the end, if this president is going to survive, it isn t just have just to change your chief of staff. you have to get some things done for the country and the chief of staff is going to be very important to whether or not that happens. before i let you go, there are two developments on the international front that i want to get you take on. secretary tillerson made sort of the most remarks he s made yet about north korea and he said the following in a briefing to reporters. he said he wants a dialogue with north korea, he doesn t want regime change. he said we are not the enemy, but they are threatening us. we re not asking for reunification of the peninsula. he s trying to send a message they want to talk, negotiate. does et seem to be a contradiction of where we were headed before? frankly, i am confused to what is our policy when it comes to north korea and that leadership. well, that s the first thing that i think the administration has to focus on is one of the things that john kelly and general mcmaster are going to have to focus on is what is the strategy here? obviously, there has to be containment. obviously, we have to be tough in terms of our military presence. obviously, we have to be tough in terms of making clear that the north koreans cannot develop an intercontinental ballistic missile that could threaten our country, and we have to take strong steps to deal with that. but at the same time, we have to reach out diplomatically to see whether there is an opportunity to engage in negotiations. but it s going to take both efforts. you need a strong military effort. you need a strong diplomatic effort. if there s going to be any hope of dealing with north korea. and there s been some reports, there was washington post report and no final decision, but the state department is thinking about editing the mission statement that would eliminate of promoting democracy, essentially promoting democratic values around the world. are you concerned about that? some could argue that american foreign policy has to be more realistic and pragmatic, so take that out of the mission. what say you? america s diplomacy in the world has been based on our values and our principle value is our respect for our democracy, our freedoms, and our ability to be able to engage in self-government. those are the critical features of what makes us a strong country in the world, what makes us the world leader. if we eliminate reference to democracy, if we limit reference to the basic freedoms and liberties that are critical, not only for our country but the rest of the world, then i think it undermines our ability to exert world leadership. it makes us weaker. so you would advise secretary tillerson don t make any changes to this? don t mess with that. you don t need to mess with that. what you need to do is to get more diplomats in the state department to do the job that you have to do, which is to reach out to the world and engage in diplomatic relationships that can help our country provide security to the world. secretary panetta, wish we had more time with you. but appreciate you coming on and sharing your views, sir. good to be with you, chuck. still ahead, why a power grab in venezuela could have a significant impact on our politics at home, coming up next. this is the new guy? 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ask your doctor about victoza®. i promised you some quick christopher wray news. the three senators didn t vote at all, mccain, al franken and richard burr. the five democratic no votes, the oregon delegation and the massachusetts delegation. so there you have it. coming up, the trump administration s own version of fake news. we ll be right back. about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it s a hat, but it s like the most important hat i ve ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com. he s happy.t s with him? your family s finally eating vegetables thanks to our birds eye voila skillet meals. and they only take 15 minutes to make. ahh! birds eye voila so veggie good office depot/office max. this week, filler paper just one cent with five dollar minimum purchase. taking care of business. him of human rights abuses and calling him a dictator, disregarding the will of his people. join me now is the author of the florida playbook and has been covering the issue of venezuela interests in american politics. mr. caputo, good to see you. good to see you, chuck. let me start with the fact that the two senators from florida here, democrat and republican, are lock step on what to do about venezuela and what action they want to see taken. it reminds me of how lock step the two parties were when it came to cuba policy oh, i want to say circa 25 years ago. before marco rubio coined the term a few years ago, but venezuela is the new cuba, its government is not only reminisce sent of cuba but heavily influenced by it. so you have the belief in florida that what meduro is doing and what chavez before him was doing is destabilizing the region. what we re starting to see in florida is more and more of an influx of expats coming here from venezuela. and the latest wave are the venezuelans. there s at least 117,000 who now live here. it grew that much between 2000 and 2012. it s probably about 36,000 venezuelan born voters on the florida voter rolls. and let s remember the way this works. this is basically this new exodus out of venezuela began with hugo chavez, and obviously it s been accelerated with meduro. but the venezuelans that have come over, they were the ones that had the means to do it, that had the connections to do it. so almost by the definition, these new venezuelan residents and soon perhaps to be voters and citizens, they come in extraordinarily engaged in the political process as it is, which i assume makes them more persuasive to the marco rubios and bill wells. of the 35,000 venezuelan born voters in florida, their turnout rate in the last election was 80%. the rest of the state was 75%. but it s an up for grabs lector cat. of them 17,000, about half, are registered as independent voters. about 12,000 are register eed a democrat, 6,000 registered as republicans. they appear to lean a little more left than the right. but it s not clear which way they broke right or left, and they seem to be up for grabs and both parties are trying to grab them. i have noticed in my visiting back home pockets of the influence of venezuelan exiles and venezuelan culture. but is it are you starting to see larger communities being built in south florida just from the same way we have a little havana, we re going to have a little caracas. you re not quite seeing that, but the city of dural where donald trump has his golf course, but it s fick named duraluela. you re seeing these bigger pockets grow in influence and numbers. you re going to see more and more of that as the meduro regime appears to crack down more and more. one of the lessons from cuba, if you re going to do sanctions, don t expect them to change a dictator or a regime s behavior, do it because you think it s necessarily the right thing to do. but i don t have much faith, considering our cuban history, in venezuela or meduro changing his behavior to the degree we want 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welcome back. tonight, i m obsessed with this administration s apparent inability or refusal to tell the truth the first time they re asked. all presidents and all administrations shade and shape the truth to their own advantage. but what we re seeing now is of a different order of magnitude. and today s grudging acknowledgement that president trump did help draft his son s statement about his meeting with a group of russians after denying exactly that, it s just the latest example of this administration s taste for fake news. the following statements are simply from recent appearances on the sunday version of meet the press. can you tell me about the reports that the president was involved in the initial response that donald trump, jr. gave the new york times ? so i read those reports as well. and the president was not did not draft the response. the response was came from donald trump, jr. i notice you ducked the aspect of whether you can guarantee that nobody will be worse off financially. i firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that we re going through, understanding that they ll have choices that they can select the kind of coverage that they want for themselves and for their families. i have talked to general flynn. none of that came up, none of the subject matter of sanctions or the actions taken by the obama administration did not come up in the conversation. there was no challenge of american policy currently by mr. flynn with the russians? none. i answered the question of why the president asked the white house press secretary to come out in front of the podium for the first time and utter a falsehood, why did he do that? it undermines the credibility of the entire white house press office. don t be so ofly dramatic about it, chuck. they re giving sean spicer he gave alternative facts to that. in these and other cases what the administration said ended up being wrong. not a shade of it, not a way to spin it, it was just flat out wrong. did the people say what they believed to be true at the time? did they mislead unintentionally? did they mislead intentionally? was it a lie? was it that kind of motivation? we don t know that, but at this point, they have accumulated a ton of instances where it appears they owe us that explanation in that front. it s a reminder why young journalists are taught the following. if your mother says she loves you, go get a second source. we ll be right back. discover card. hey. what can you tell me about your new social security alerts? oh! we ll alert you if we find your social security number on any one of thousands of risky sites, so you ll be in the know. ooh. sushi. ugh. being in the know is a good thing. sign up online for free. discover social security alerts. lid time. panel is back. phillip, let me start with you. this issue of boy, the white house just keeps getting caught not telling the truth. they seem to be okay with it in the moment. it s like everything is short term. get out of the moment, avoid a bad story in the moment and hope it just never pops up later. we go with this idea. did the president get involved in donald trump junior s statement. new york times said he had a hand in that statement. jay said to me as we just showed, no. no part of it at all. now sarah huckabee sanders is saying he took an interest in the way any father would. anything further the thing that struck me about what sanders said is she said his origin gnal statement is true wh is misleading. you want to define true. there was no, nothing in there was fault. they just didn t tell us. here s the thing to keep this mind about donald trump, his experience in politics is you say whatever you want to say. late er you backtrack. you said it experience in politics. you are both new yorkers here. that s his experience dealing with tabloids. you could say whatever you need to do to get through page 6 today and worry about it later. it s up, your down. it is what it is. market change in real estate. trump used to dealing that way. i wonder what does don do all day. tlp is a white house counsel office that should be advising these guys to conduct themselves that doesn t put them in legal jeopardy. we lempbed this time and time again, in other words for the team to tell the truth, they have to be told the truth by the principle. we don t know what donald trump is telling them. i think something happened that first week after his election when it was laid out by lawyers that he would not have to denude himself of the trump organization and there was this body of law that suggested that a president could not be indicted or sued or be the subject of criminal action while in office and he was like, get out of jail free card. he s like this is great. i can go four years without lawsuit. nixon was right. i m free. i m not kidding about this. you can see it when he said it three or four times this november or december. it s like this lightbulb over his head. problem is, nobody else has the free pass. his son doesn t have a free pass. his daughter doesn t have a free pass. all these people are lawyered up. they re going to be interviewed. hesitate realit s really jus pence. it s the two heads of the executive branch. remember the fact he was told repeatlied for a year and a half you can t do this. you can t lie. you have to be honest and he won. he was validated, obviously, he spends a lot of time how he s validated by having won the election but this in particular he feels that way. this gets a the challenge we all get accused of bias but when somebody is this blatant in their contradiction it makes you question everything they say. i think beyond trump s legal jeopardy, the problem is it starts to call into question the mundane coming out of the administration. you re smoezed esupposed to tr basic. it becomes to trust the difficult writ large. we re back at the nixon moment because minor things are lies. i don t know. i can t head 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have heard from president trump, his words of bringing people together but think about what matters, we thank you so much for being with us tonight at nationals park on this beautiful summer evening as we celebrate what s good the paradigm good evening everybody and welcome to tucker carlson tonight, i m ed henry in from out of the bullpen, where broadcasting live from nationals park site of tonight s baseball game, the game is going on despite yesterday s attack on g.o.p. lawmakers, steve scalise, the wounded republican leaders said they wanted it to go forward. we will be showing you the exclusive interview with fred warmbier, the father of otto warmbier who was detained in north korea, just release in cincinnati, listen to this. were taking at a moment at a time to my dad time. we re going to support each other like we agreed to do and we are adjusting right now. were adjusting to a different reality. will bring you the rest of the interview a little later, the game is on it s very interesting, despite yesterday s assassination attempt and that s what it was on several members of the republican teen, house majority whip steve scalise remained hospitalized, alive, in critical condition after undergoing his third surgery today. his absence from tonight s game, and a sad irony. he was known as one of the speediest players on the g.o.p. squad and a secret weapon is a pinch runner. he scored four runs in seven games over the years. now for more on tonight s game, fox s peter doocy is down here behind me and you and i have been talking and texting one another, we were very moved by that first pitch. just to members of the republican team and the democratic team a few minutes before they were set to start all gathered and took a knee for a prayer at second base which would have been where the majority whip steve scalise would have been playing tonight. he is 5 miles away in critical condition at the hospital receiving treatment for a very serious wound to the right hip and everything internally that has been affecting him since. the last thing the republican team did before they took the field, they were all introduced. steve scalise was introduced, they put a big picture of him up on the jumbotron. everyone from the republican team that was lined up across the diamond, third base to first base turned around and they waved at him. that s another bipartisan moment here. members of the left-leaning party, emma kratz come up members of the right leading party, or hooligans are all on the right-field line, everybody stood and cheered. it was the second longest standing ovation tonight. i believe that our producer counteracted 42 seconds, that was a moment that unified everyone here. people wondered if it will get people to set aside some of the really nasty political rhetoric, something interesting maybe it s meaningful, maybe it s not. people are into this game. i ve been to these games before where people aren t paying attention. every single thing that has happened tonight, people are on the edge of their seats, a lot of cheering. a lot of applause, everyone seems like they are right on top of what s happening. it s a close one, three happened to come of the democrats are up a run in the second. ed: republicans are up 2-0, now democrats are three have a two. i asked him who is going to win because markey said america, maybe that s the spirit of unity will live on. yesterday s shooting was committed by a fervent progressive but the media are trying to label republicans as the violent ones. today the new york times said there was a clear link between sarah palin political insight months, and the 2011 shooting of congresswoman gabby giffords, and democrats. one problem, that alleged link between palin and the attack on giffords was debunked years ago. the claim is basically fake news, literally fake news. charles krauthammer is a writer and columnist, he joins us live now. what do you make of the new york times putting out this editorial that quite frankly is embarrassing, for them years later to still be pushing this false narrative for just 24 hours after a former bernie sanders supporter tried to assassinate republican members of congress. it s completely egregious, it s not just that it s been debunked six years later, it was debunked within three days. i remember writing a column for days after the attack in which it was absolutely, totally obvious that the shooter was a paranoid skits are frantic. he had no idea what was going on. if what his teachers had said, he was living in his own world. at the time, this is with most egregious people don t even remember the day after the shooting, the times ran in its news section on the front page, he had labeled news analysis and introduce this false idea that jared lautner the shooter was motivated by this thing on the website that showed the bull s-eyes for 20 districts. he was not driven to the crime by a climate of hate because as everyone who knew him and testified at the time was saying, this man created his own climates. he was a classic paranoid schizophrenic. that the times should a drag this out six years later was amazing. even the correction was mealymouthed and halfhearted, no connection was proved. no connection was possible, the man was a paranoid psychotic. ed: it goes deeper than that because the house democratic leader nancy pelosi comes out today when we heard a peter doocy reporting how to lawmakers in both parties say maybe they re going to come together, maybe there unified. she attacks fox news, and she says republicans have been more responsible than democrats for this violent rhetoric. why within 24 hours is she trying to keep score? this is a reflex, i see it among democrats. it is true to some extent among republicans, this sort of vitriol in our politics is not unilateral. when you get the leadership within one day of an event like this, let s remember, she s a democrat and the shooter came out and said of those republicans or democrats on the field, this isn t a guy who went out to shoot people. this is a guy who went out to shoot republican people. if you re a democrat, he watched to have at least the decency to wait a while before leveling accusations. i do believe that the leadership were more careful, if they were less ad hominem in their arguments as i was saying earlier in a special report, if they were less apocalyptic in speaking about the other side, it s the end of the world. climate change is not you don t listen to me on climate change or a denier like a holocaust denier. if that language weren t like that, we would have a beginning of a de-escalation and that s what we need. ed: i have one minute, the shooter in this case is now dead also has facebook posts where he was discussing in his attacks. you ve raised questions before about president trump whether he wants to bring people together or not, is it an opportunity for him he gave strong remarks yesterday about unity and a video here at the game, is this an opportunity for the president here? there is and i think you rose to the occasion and the remarks he made before. he s not blameless, this is not a one party thing. he was quite aggressive in the campaign, he says he s a fighter, a counter puncher. he was even aggressive against his republican colleagues, his republican opponents. i think this is a time when we can all look back and say neither side here is blameless, time to do the obvious to declare a kind of armistice on the vitriol in the apocalyptic rhetoric and it simply say we are a republic, we have the loyal opposition, let s be loyal, let s be civil on both sides. i think it can be done, i don t despair this. i think may be in an event like this, perhaps it will have to be some other event which would be tragic. perhaps that can happen, i m sure the country would appreciate it. ed: you re absolutely right right. neither side is blameless. let me say i have been watching the game. there is a hell of a lot of stealing going on down there. i d keep my eye on that. ed: who s stealing come of the democrats or republicans? who s stealing more? equal opportunity stealing and we have catchers who are somewhat superannuated if i can be kind. ed: it s been a difficult 24 hours or so, maybe we can have a little bit of liberty, we appreciate that. up ahead, will have tucker s exclusive interview with fred warmbier. charles is a big baseball fan come on a baseball fan, we ll talk about that and we ll talk about the assassination attempt in the near tragedy there that preceded it, will talk to congressman jack burkman, he was an eyewitness to yesterday s shooting. my business was built with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that s why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. which adds 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from nationals park where republicans and democrats are uniting to play in the annual congressional baseball game, obviously a much different atmosphere right now because of what happened yesterday will get into that in a moment. right now, american citizen otto warmbier returned to the u.s. two nights ago but in extremely poor health. in a moment, you re going to see tucker s exclusive interview with his father, but first today, a doctor at the university of cincinnati medical center described his dire condition. he shows no signs of understanding language, responded to verbal commands or awareness of his surroundings. this study showed extensive loss of brain tissue in all regions of the brain. ed: tucker sat down yesterday with fred warmbier, otto s father for an exclusive interview, take a look. thanks for having us in your house. tell us about being reunited with otto last night. okay, last night, being able to see him for the first time in i bet it s 18 months, it was fantastic. i was not in great shape and he s been through a real tough time, and it s great to have him with us and i m very proud of him. tucker: do you know what happened to them in north korea? i don t. watching his confession and seeing the things that we ve seen in north korea none of which was true and then hearing what i think they said with him apparently the day after he was sentenced, he went into a coma for whatever for some reason. i don t have any particulars. i wouldn t trust that. listen, tucker, he has been terrorized and brutalized for 18 months by a pariah regime in north korea. we re thrilled to have him home. he s with his family, his mom is with him right now and i ll be with him later on today. tucker: has the government helped you along the way? i hesitate they have. i have to thank joe yuan. he got involved i don t know when, a month or two ago, contacted us. and said he was going to work for us. and his mission was to bring otto home. tucker: who is he? he s an ambassador in the state department, i believe he took over for ambassador king, very helpful for cindy and i and we are really thankful for him. we are also thankful for rex to listen and president trump. they wanted him home and i believe they made this happen. we are thankful for that. tucker: you said once this process is over, you hope to get back to being a family and living a conventional life. what do you think the lessons of this are? why does this happen? being in the wrong place the lesson of autos captivity in north korea that s going to be for others to decide. the warmbier s have been living with this situation for 18 months. if there is no meaning, this is a rogue pariah regime. they are terrorist, they re brutal, there is no to anything here. they have crossed the line with my son and so, it would be very different to look for a lesson here. amongst this insanity. i m not looking for a lesson. i want to support otto. i want to support my other children, my community, i m proud of the way everyone has handled this and i m so grateful that he s with us, he s with people who love him now. that means a lot to us. tucker: has your family holding up? we are doing okay. i worry about cindy a little bit, i think she worries about me. we are taking it a moment at the time, a day at a time and we re going to support each other like we agreed to do, and were adjusting right now, we are adjusting to a different reality. and it was one that i didn t know about. we found out about this tuesday night a week ago. via a phone call from joe yuan. then cindy and i felt shocked we have not felt in a long time and we re still going through that. but otto is with us. that is the important thing here, he is an amazing kid. we re fortunate that we live in an amazing community and people that support us in love and care for us. tucker: you found out on tuesday out of the blue? there were some meetings between the state department in north korea, some diplomatic meetings in other countries. and quite honestly they wanted to know about otto. there was nothing forthcoming and i m sure it was not going to move forward unless they talked about otto. i think our government forced north korea s hand and made them admit his situation. tucker: there are other americans being held in north korea, at least three, may be more. do you have advice for their families? no. no, i would not i can t recommend any i don t know what to say. i wouldn t know what to say to them. they can use us as an example and they can make their own decisions. we tried to do the right thing and here we are today. i don t know what the answers are. i ve been told not precedented. his situation, his treatment by the north koreans is unprecedented spread i don t have advice for anybody. tucker: thank you, fred. ed: really good stuff from tucker there, i was moved as well when fred showed up at the news conference with a suit jacket that otto war back in north korea when he had to deal with that kangaroo courts. he got a very emotional, when he talked about wearing his sons and suit jackets. in the interview, tucker and fred continued the conversation in his childhood bedroom where it got emotional as well. tucker: this is what you found in otto s bag? these are his belongings, he had a duffel bag and then his bookbag, there was a pouch here that some things were in. his passport, this was his calculator he was going to be doing a finance class there. this is his crazy shirt and the ties, it looked like he was packing for a three month trip. tucker: he was in china and he just took a couple day he took a young pioneers and tour with a group of young people, he was over there with them. these are the clothes that he took, they were packed up. they were mostly when we took them out, they ve been in the back for a long time. this is typical of otto, he has a lot of cool stuff to wear and some meat she was and of course he had running shoes, he loved to run. he s an excellent shape. there is his wallet and i guess he had some money. that s what they sent him home with. tucker: looks like a straight arrow kid from the spread of it s pretty straightforward. but from the thrift store. he looked good in them. tucker: you going over to see them quick mark as soon as were finished, i m good to see him, and were going to read to them and talk to them, make them feel at home. let him know he s around people who love him quite tell mike most important thing we can do. tucker: god bless you for letting us in. you ve been a huge supporter for us and otto and we can t thank you enough. thanks. ed: the story about a family coming together in america today, there s another family behind made this coming together come of the congressional family, democrats, republicans normally at each other s throat, we re here live at nationals park in washington, d.c., the democrats are winning right now 3-2. you ve got cedric richman at the plate, you can see him running down, he s pretty fast it looks like he beat it out and then maybe digging for second as wel well. he s also the star pitcher for the democrats. the republicans have a lot of trouble hitting him, were going to get into that later, going to continue live coverage of the congressional baseball game after this and were going to bring you an update about something much more important than this game. an update on the health of congressman s police at the hospital, he s just put up, president trump sent this message to the wooded congressman mere moments ago. president trump: i want to take the moment to send our thoughts and prayers to congressman steve scalise and his entire family. he is our friend, he s a patriot, and he s a true fighte fighter. i m ryan and i quit smoking with chantix. i tried to quit cold turkey. i tried to quit with the patch; that didn t work. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. for me, chantix worked. it reduced my urge to smoke. 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play because they are senators, these guys can really, really play, they all have a lot of pop in their the katella terms of their baseball lingo, all have their cut off man, they re laying out at shortstop, just because you re a senator and you want to play it doesn t seem like it would let you one. ed: right now the democrats are four-2. both sides take a lot of pride in this, they were the stirrups, they wear the uniform whether it s the yankees are the mets, they even get her on the mound mound, it s like their heyday. if they want their lost youth. while they are all a plan, we are less than two days removed from the tragedy in alexandria, trent kelley the third baseman for the republicans tag somebody out, to get one of the democrats out who had been in a pickle, a guy who was caught between second and third base, he was by all accounts the closest person to the 66-year-old gunman yesterday. his morning started yesterday, he was so close to someone who will want to do because so much pain and harm to republican lawmakers the democrats are sitting on the left-field side in the republic after sitting on the right field side. it s been talk a little bit about the charity come up much people on social media have been asking how they can contribute as well. they noted on the top of the hour, a lot more money has poured in it for these charitie charities. sadly because of what happened yesterday, on the other hand it s almost a silver lining that people are coming together and they re giving a lot more money. people can go to the website, there s a congressional baseball website, congressional baseball.org. i just tried to check it out to see if there had been an update about the fundraising total, but the website seems to have crashed. if you want to talk about a lot of people across the country who may be interested in helping out these charities including this year for the first time the capital police memorial fund. it seems like there may be a lot of people already trying to do that. it s not just individuals. corporations stepped up in a big way between yesterday and the start of today s game, donating over a million dollars for the game even started, they goes to four different charities all benefiting mostly people in the washington, d.c., area. ed: as you re talking all caps of excitement breaking out. i saw one of the democrats slide in face first into home, you don t normally see that on capitol hill. the democrats having a rally here. they are up 7-2, what is going on? you getting any insight, what can the republicans do, is there any secret weapon in the bullpen, they have to do something. i think of the democrats are able to win by sliding into home plate, we might start to see some of that on capitol hill. they don t control either house of congress but somebody can slide in towards kevin mccarthy s desk on the floor headfirst just to get his attention at least, i m not sure. the capital is only a couple of blocks away, it s not so far-fetched. ed: joe donnelly, the senator from indiana, a democrat is up to the plate now. it s been a lot of excitement early on, not just on the field, before the game started, very moving with the first pitch. that s prayer around a second base as we get into the top of the fourth inning of the game, what happened is downright remarkable. these lawmakers to put in a lot of effort in this game and practicing and getting ready, they did all gather democrats and republicans in a prayer circle at second base which is where the majority whip steve scalise played in at least seven games. he s one of the stars for the republican team. everyone here is thinking of him, they put his picture up on the jumbotron, he got a 42 seconds standing ovation. the republicans were all standing on the field waiting wt that photo, he is 5 miles away. we did get an update from the hospital a few minutes ago. they say that he is doing better than last night. they do still anticipate he is going to be in the hospital for a while longer. not a whole lot of detail but that is the update tonight. ed: some good news there, i came out of the bullpen, for tucker carlson. you are our utility player. as we get back to some updates but also some serious news as were happy to hear that statement from the hospital that his neck surgery, the latest surgery has been completed. a long way still to go. president trump in the business of the nation is going forward, he lashed out at the media and hillary clinton as new leaks report he is under investigation for potential obstruction of justice. we ll talk the whole thing over with byron york. more live coverage of tonight s professional baseball game, thea big crowd here, but 25,000 here, we re going to get you all the highlights. tom tom rooney a republican from florida up to bat dear predictable, there s no other way to say this. it s over. i ve found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say.if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list. for those who won t rest until the world is healthier, neither will we. optum. how well gets done. they talk about obstruction, that from the present day, does the president have a point or should he move on? both are true, team clinton did do all of those thing, they did it smack those telephones with a hammer, bill clinton did meet with loretta lynch and the attorney general, all of that stuff really did happen and he had to should move on as well. those are not cases that are going to be relevant either to the russia case or to the obstruction of justice case or anything that s going on right now. it kind of amounts to what about his him from the president on this? question. ed: the president had another leak dropped on him but the washington post, this one dropped on him, robert mueller looking at obstruction of justice charges, and others in a report breaking tonight for the website saying robert mueller this special counsel is also investigating the business dealings of jared kushner, a top white house aide and that s son-in-law of the president. what do you make about this drumbeat of leaks that has simply not stopped? we were told when he got up and running these leaks would stop because he d run such a tight ship. maybe not really up and running yet but the leaks haven t stopped. i think the biggest thing it shows is the indisputable truth about washington investigations. they do not contract, they do not shrink, they expand. they almost always expand. the question here is what is not under his purview right now? he can look into a lot of things, he seems to be casting a pretty wide net. real quickly we got about a minute, i want to be fair to jared kushner, his attorney is put out a statement tonight saying in part we do not what did mike know what this report is referring to, it will be standard practice for the council to examine financial records looking for anything related to russia. isn t that also true for robert mueller looking at potential obstruction of justice? once he was fired to that was good to be looked at. it doesn t mean obstruction was committed to. the democratic theory if you will is that trump and trump company had some sort of financial interest in all of this, they wanted to kill me, they wanted him to stay away from their dealings with russia russia, we don t know what mueller is thinking right now. we do have indications that he is going to be looking at a lot of stuff like financial transactions from people around trump. ed: byron york we appreciate you joining us tonight. we know teddy roosevelt has won the race and presidents, the character representing teddy roosevelt won, he typically does not win, up next a big night for tucker as well. he s going to join us and he sat down with oliver stone to talk about his four hour documentary with russian president vladimir putin. it s controversial and that interview is next .it s how well you mow fast. they re not just words to mow by, they re words to live by. the john deere ztrak z345r with the accel deep deck to mow faster, better. save 500 dollars on the z525e ztrak residential mower at your john deere dealer today. ed: that s the one and only oliver stone, his latest flick of the put in interviews four hour documentary airing on showtime. if tucker sat down to ask him about washington s war on president trump and a lot more. do you spend 20 hours interviewing vladimir putin, pulls in the last year have shown a growing sense among americans that russia is our chief enemy, it comes becomes of media pressure and the amount of interviews given by the government calling them the number one existential threat. tucker: what s the motive? why would the press you re saying the american press is creating antagonism or doesn t naturally exist. it s the american government and the american press is two cents represents a corporate government point of view. it s in our interest to have enemies. russia has always been an enemy. tucker: s liberals who are mad at you, i ve seen an hour of it and it is friendly. they are attacking you as a lapdog of putin that you ve sold out you ve got not hostile reception, i ve always thought it of you as a part of the american left. nothing is as it seems, there s all because of fracturing. much of the progressive left divorced from hillary clinton in the election, people like myself went to third party. the reason was she had become in the last 20 years has become a neoconservative, she has backed all the neocon invasion of libya, the destruction of libya which is crucial. she backed the iraqi war resolutions operative she has been a major figure in attacking the syrian sovereignt sovereignty. we ve destroyed the sovereignty of these countries in the middle east, libya, iraq, and are now in syria. or we re trying to destroy syri syria. if this crumbles, the middle east crumbles. and the world order which is very important to mr. putin, a sense of law, a sense of fundamental principles has gone out the window. tucker: that s the opposite of the way he s presented here, he s presented as an autocrat who doesn t care about law and who hacked our democracy and undermined our election. we don t know that were told that. tucker: do believe that courts mark you re jumping around but we have to have evidence. there s a thin amount of evidence. it s been told to us by three agencies, the cia, the nsa and the fbi. it was told to us in january a few days before mr. trump came into office. it was called an assessment, the report itself if you read it i think steven cohen has pointed out to you, it s not an intelligence estimates. it doesn t have dissent it doesn t have the kind of information that is required. as sy hirsch said it was a joke. he calls john brennan the head of the cia as creating a fear and a paranoia without evidence at a time when a transition but it s very imported american democracy that we trust our leader. trump was slapped in the face two weeks to go, this thing is serious, it s calling him a manchurian candidate. that s as hostile as it s ever been in a transition. tucker: you ve seen that again and again. there was just a story out to that the in two trump headed by robert mueller, apparently fbi agents are leaking details to the press and you re seeing leaks from all the intel agencies come it seems like they re trying to change their policies, does that surprise yo you? the overtness of it does. if the investigation were to continue, i think they have to go back to the origins of that leak in january. who put out that information. who gave it to the new york times, the washington post back channel, you have to ask these questions. it seems as if some people have said the deep estate, the military-industrial complex, the intelligence agencies have their own position of head headed for many years and they continue to promote the wars that they do in all these countries. even obama said i want to close guantanamo, i want to cut out on a gap afghanistan, he didn t do it. you have to ask yourself who is one of the country. if you need a thorough examination of what s going on. i m shocked at what the cia did and what brennan did, it seemed like he was very hostile. i think comey carried out. it was comey who influence the election, it was his declaration that the investigation on clinton had been dropped and then he reopened it three weeks or two weeks before. tucker: have you talked to president trump of the last year? i directed him in a film, wall street, money never sleeps. it was a deleted scene, not his fault. it was interesting to work with him for that day as an actor. he s still an actor. tucker: oliver stone, good to see a period of ed: we are in the fifth inning stretch here at nationals park, what is more baseball, what is more americana than 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of the trump campaign. just to state the obvious that we all know, the president shoots from the hip. i m not sure there was a ton of fore thought into what he said about sessions. i think he was honest and blunt about his feelings at that moment in time. they are feelings that he has had on and off for some time now. the russian investigation as we all know kind of won t go away as a story line partly because there s an open investigation but also because the president is preoccupied with it and he brings it up all the time, in private conversations and apparently in public ones. i think there s a real concern in terms of the comments he s made obviously because they also seem to indicate that, you know, first he wants loyalty from comey, now he wants loyalty or allegiance from attorney general, like he s wanting to run this the way he runs his business, which is not the way the government works and certainly not the way the justice department works, which is an independent institution. these senior officials take an oath to the constitution, not donald trump, and he fundamentally misunderstands that. if he wants to run it the way he runs his business, shouldn t those around him remember he s gone bankrupt four times? i want to share what he said about robert mueller. mueller was looking at your finances and your family s finances unremitted to russia, is that a red line? would that be a breach of what his actual charge is? i would say yeah, i would say yes. that s a red line. you cannot go into my family s finances. once robert muler is in that kitchen, he s in there. it s called an independent investigation for a reason. the whole purpose of this exercise is not to exonerate donald trump or prove his innocence. it s to get to the truth, wherever it may take us. and the american people deserve to know whether their president a operating in the american s interests or his own business or financial interests. this is a completely fair question to be asked. does donald trump have any point in that if robert mueller s job is not to exonerate donald trump, it s also not his job to look under every rock there possibly is to see if he, you know, cheated on his homework in 1962. i just think mueller which i m going to take a guess he probably did. which you know what, i may have as well. procedurally, he s in a very awkward spot now because trump has eventually said i will fire him if he gets into this area of inquiry. if the investigation leads him there, i m sure he ll feel compelled to proceed and risk being fired but that of course would be totally counterproductive to the entire effort. which goes into this bizarre history he s created, this alternative universe he s created where somehow rod rosenstein told him to fire comey and rod rosenstein also stacked him in the back by appointing mueller. the president s inability to put together basic chronology of what his own behavior lead to is part of what makes this interview so bizarre. we ve seen rambling things from trump before, but i don t think he knows what he did yesterday let alone the consequences of what he ll do today. making him a defense attorney s nightmare and a prosecutor s dream. i want to share more of what he said when he was specifically talking about his conversation with vladimir putin. it was not a long conversation, but it was, you know, could be 15 minutes. just talked about things. i actually talked about russian adoption with him, which is interesting because that was a part of the conversation that don had in that meeting. okay. ewing my president trump decoder ring, adoptions means sanctions. does the president not understand that whether that meeting was 15 minutes or 50 minutes sanctions and adoptions are one and the same and you sit down with vladimir putin, you are getting in the way of some serious foreign policy issues. apparently not, which of course is pretty surprising given all of what s unfolded with his son and the meeting that they had and all of the conversations that, you know, we ve had since then about adoption, the magnitsky act, collusion. so it s pretty surprising that, you know, he is seemingly unawares. but the reality is when you look at trump s behavior, when you read the rest of the interview and look at statements he s made in the past, he really doesn t seem to know a lot about what s going on with any of us. he doesn t seem to understand the seriousness of the investigation and why it matters. he doesn t seem to understand why sessions recused himself and the importance of having an investigation that has integrity and how having an investigation with integrity can benefit him if he doesn t have anything to hide. he doesn t understand that his attorney general is not his junior employee who he can expect to put his personal political interest before the american people. it s really a problem across the board and it comes through clearly in this interview. there s something else to hide. 17 million bucks. 17 large. new york times reported paul manafort in the hole to russian interests, going into the campaign for 17 large. right. how do we square this one off? well, i mean, manafort s obviously got a very serious problem here and, you know, he s one of the key individuals in these inquiries. so it s just putting more detail on what is already a very serious issue for him among others. i need a quick yes/no. does jeff sessions quit? no. yes. yes. that s what makes markets. we ll soon find out. we have to turn to some other news, news that shook capitol hill shgt i want to shay it shook the world last night. senator john mccain diagnosed with brain cancer. this was revealed after he underwent surgery this week for a blood clot just above his left eye. msnbc s garrett haake is on capitol hill. garrett, you were on the hill seemingly all day, all night yesterday speaking to lawmakers as they learn this news. what are you hearing? yeah, stepny. let me set the scene for you last night. we had about 15 or 20 republican senators meeting behind closed doors on health care. this is a senators only meeting. their aides weren t even in the room. they were sort of cloistered away last night when this news broke. lindsey graham, who is john mccain s best friend in washington, d.c., and probably his best friend who he s not immediately related to, was on the phone with john mccain when he walked into that meeting room. he broke the news to rest of the senators. they were absolutely stunned by this, depressed. they sort of stomed the meeting right in their tracks and asked one of the member who is s a former pastor back in oklahoma to say a prayer for john mccain right then and there. they tried to keep working after that, but everyone we talked to coming out including lindsey graham, especially lindsey graham, so emotional about not having this person who served as the spiritual leader of the republican party in the senate. here was lindsey graham talking to our cameras right after that meeting late last night. pray. i don t know, god knows how this ends, not me, but i do know this this disease has never had a more worthy opponent. a reporter: one of the things he said was after about five minutes of conversation about the tumor, john mccain was talking about passing a defense authorization. he was talking about health care. he was talking about the work. he urged his republican colleagues to get back to work and that s what we re going to see here shortly this morning. john mccain is a great american and certainly a fighter. let s turn to nbc news medical contributor dr. natalie azar. dr. natalie, john mccain s family in their statements have said they are weighing treatment options. what kind of options are they here? the standard course of therapy is chemotherapy and radiation after the tumor was surgically resected. that s the standard of care. with that, the median survival is roughly 14 months. five-year survival statistics about 5 to 17%. things that factor into the prognosis are age, so older age patients tend to have a worse outcome. his 80, but his mom, i want so say she s 105. amazing. we know he s strong guy so i certainly have all the faith there. they also study the tumor and look at two specific markers that will predict how well he responds to chemo and will know the result and the status of those in about a week or two. a little early to say exactly what path is going to be followed but the standard of care again is resection, you hope to get as much out as you can according to the scans, they did get a complete resection, which is great, and then chemo and radiation would be the standard of care. well, we are certainly sending him all of our prayers, and we know he s going to get the very best treatment. dr. natalie, thank you so much. next, cbo scores, straight repeal of obamacare, and those numbers, they ain t good. founding member of the freedom caucus congressman jim jordan, explains what he thinks it needs to be repealed even without a replacement. but before we go, the celebration day for president trump. the six-month anniversary of his inauguration. we ve spoken before about his low poll numbers. but how does he compare to past presidents at this point in their tenure? 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oh, sorry, most broadcast and sports channels aren t included. and you can only stream on two devices at once. this is fun, we re having fun. yeah, we are. no, you re not jimmy. don t let directv now limit your entertainment. xfinity gives you more to stream to more screens. my message today is really simple. we have to stay here, we shouldn t leave town, and we should hammer this out and get it done. president trump there demanding that republicans remain in d.c. until they have a plan to repeal and replace obamacare. just hours later, nearly two dozen senators met to hash out their differences. we still do have work to do to get to a vote of 50, but people are committed to continuing that work. we ve just got a ways to go yet. it will take a little more patience. i don t think we re as far as some people think they are but there s work to be done, no doubt. trying to get to 50. working on it. any closer? hard to say. i m joined by ohio republican congressman jim jordan, a founding member of the house freedom caucus. congressman, i know you want to vote to repeal the aca even if there s no replacement ready. you ve had a lot of time to come up with a replacement. why would another year or two make any difference? well, senator mccain has said this, if you can repeal it first, that may be the catalyst you need to create the momentum you need for actually a bipartisan solution where we could work on some of the things that the more moderate members of the republican conference and democrats are really focus on like some of the medicaid expansion issues, the opioid issues, as well as some of those things we believe on the conservative side would bring down premiums like expanding health savings accounts, easier formation of association health plans, and interstate shopping for insurance. so that s the kind of trade that can be set up if you first repeal it, which everyone onos we have to do, and oh by the way, what we told the american people we were going to do when they elected us. not everyone knows we have to replace it. i would say there s consensus that it has to be improved. and do you have to replace it and take that kind of risk to motivate people to work together? the cbo says we could see nearly 17 million more people go uninsured by next year alone. premiums doubling in 2 1/2 years. why repeal it and say i m going to put a gun to your head to work together? why not not just work together? first of all, it never hurts to do what you said nap s what we told the american people we were going to do in 2010, 2014, 2016s when we won elections on that issue. you said repeal and replace, not just repeal. so let s repeal it then replace it in another piece of legislation. they can happen at the same time. that s not quite working out in the same bill, but they can happen in the same time two different bills or repeal it then get to the replace. second, cbo, this the same cbo who said when obamacare passed that 21 million americans would be on obamacare right now when in fact the numb inter9 million. the same cbo that said when the medicaid expansion happen under obamacare the cost would be $4600. instead it s $6200. the cbo it go the facts that have happen wrd cbo has been wrong countless times. second, and you guys never talk about this, our repeal bill says it s not effective until december 31st, 2018. if it were passed today and president trump would sign it tomorrow, there s a year and a half before it takes effect. that s time for what i just described, people to come together and put together a replacement plan that will bring down premiums, which have risen dramatically under obamacare, and if you can pay your premium, can you afford the four, six, eight thousand dollar deduckable so many plans have that so many are experiencing. that s how we can come together and solve problems for american families. you said yesterday you have a full understanding of what the american people want. i m looking at the this new cnn poll that says 35% want to abandon the repeal only if you re going to then have an immediate replacement. it doesn t seem like the american people want to take this risk. it seems like it s a campaign promise that you want to just check off. no. we want to do what we told the american people we were going to do, what we think is best. never forget where we re at and never forget what the democrats told the american people when they passed this terrible thing called obamacare. remember all the false statements we were told. like your plan, chemoyour plan. like your doctor, keep your doctor. we were told premiums would go down. the president of the united states said premiums would go down on average $2,500. we were told the website was going to work. we were told the website information on their was secure. we were told that emergency room visits could trade deadline. they ve went up. and we were told these co-ops would be wonderful. you are right. 18 of the 22. everything we were told and that this law has to be repealed. let s do it as soon as possible with the effective date in the future a year and a half. that gives us time to putting to the replacement. there are loads of obamacare problems. that is one of the reasons president trump won the election. right. it is also why republicans control it all. so why can t you get your house together? you don t need democrats. you can blame democrats but you near the most beautiful position. you don t need them. you know what, stephanie? you re right. we did that in the house. we did come together. we had an intense debate in the house. i know because of that intense debate we conservatives made the bill that left the house a better piece of legislation that actually brought down premiums. so let s hope the senate can do the same thing there and have the same process up fold over there. if they don t, we started the process yesterday with doing a discharge petition, bringing out the clean repeal and doing again what we told the american people we were going to do. is president trump your ally here? yesterday he said republicans do a poor job of trying to explain this and sell the new health care idea, this new bill, yet i m reading the interview he did with the new york times where he s talking about entitlements and i want to share a quote where he says, you know, you re 21 years old, you start working and you re paying 12 bucks a year for insurance and by the time you re 70 you get a nice plan. it s as though the president has a very sophomoric understanding of how health care works. so is the president your advocate here? is he helping you sell this? i think the president s helping us on this issue and a host of others. i think what has to happen is congress has to do what we said. again, we make this job way too complicated. i know what i told the voters in the fourth district of ohio. i know in crawford county i get today there is not one single plan offered in the exchange, not one plan if you live in crawford county, ohio. so i know what s happened to folks. i know what i told them i was do. that s what i m focused on accomplishing. i think the president is doing the same thing spop let s simply do what we said, do what the american people sent us here to accomplish. all right. if it doesn t have to be that complicated, does it mean you ll vote on it next week and it will pass? we ve already voted on it in the house, stephanie. we seal what happens in the senate. senator mcconnell said bring up the repeal, our leadership won t bring up that bill so we ve start the process to make an end run around that and bring a discharge position to the floor and vote on a clean repeal. good luck. thank you. up next, senator elizabeth warren joins me on everything from the russia investigation to a new report card on president trump s first six months. and speaking of president trump s first six months, monday he made this claim. we ve signed for bills and i m talking about through the legislature, than any president ever. 42 bills signed so far top the two previous presidents but it is fewer than bill clinton. and of those bills nearly one-third of them are aimed at pulling back rules put in place by president obama. well, president trump said he doesn t like to get pinocchios. i m afraid at this rate he s going to be getting quite a few. listerine® total care strengthens teeth, after brushing, helps prevent cavities and restores tooth enamel. it s an easy way to give listerine® total care to the total family. listerine® total care. one bottle, six benefits. power to your mouth™. essential for him, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an unjection™ . xeljanz xr. a once daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don t start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you were in a region where fungal infections are common and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. needles. fine for some. but for you, one pill a day may provide symptom relief. ask your doctor about xeljanz xr. an unjection™ . to keep our community safe. before you do any project big or small, pg&e will come out and mark your gas and electric lines so you don t hit them when you dig. call 811 before you dig, and make sure that you and your neighbors are safe. there s a new report card out that shows he s fallen fall short in fulfilling one of his key promises from the campaign draping the swamp in washington. joining me is the author of that report card, a report card in the summer? nobody wants one of those. senator elizabeth warren. i want to talk about the report card but i have to ask you about a colleague of yours, john mccain, a man you ve known for years and years. what is your reaction to his diagnosis and the mood among your fellow lawmakers? you know, we re all just stunned. john is tough and has been in every fight, and the idea that he s facing something like this is just a shock to everyone here. he s a good man, and i know he ll be strong in this fight, the fight for his life. a great man. let s talk about you and the report card you ve been working on over the last few weeks. you put together this report card on president trump s efforts to drain the swamp in washington. he talked so much about it, speeches he gave about the goldman sachs partners that hillary clinton would be lining the halas of the white house with, and mind you the president has done so. you ve given him an f. at least it wasn t an f-minus, and you found that his administration and his transition team has included 1993 lobbyists and corporate insiders. can you put that in context for me in terms of his entire administration and how that s impacted policies? so, look, washington works great right now for giant corporations. and one of the prince. reasons is because they can hire an army of lobbyists to get out there and make sure that their point of view is represented in every decision that gets made in government. it s just not working so great for the rest of america. so when trump promised to drain the swamp during a campaign, i thought that s something really important. and i want to keep track of what he does. and instead of draining the swamp, here it is, he s brought in 193 lobbyists, corporate executives, corporate consultants, and they re in every part of government making key decisions. the department of education. what s happened they ve already rolled back rules to protect student borrowers so that the corporate interests can make more money. you watch the same thing happening, for example, in the department of the treasury. they re looking at whether or not to roll back some of the regulations that were put in place after the 2008 financial crisis. and what have they done? they ve come up with a list of regulations to be rolled back. and here s how it s described by the industry. it is the big bank s wish list. same kind of thing is happening over in the drug industry. put together a team of people to try to deal with the question of rising drug costs, and donald trump puts a lobbyist in charge and now the lobbyist is coming up with an initial draft that looks like exactly what it is that the big drug companies want, not what families want. this matters to people on a day by day-by-day basis that donald trump has put the corporate lobbyists in charge of running our government. unform, report cards can get slid under beds, in the back of drawers. what can actually be done? when i think about some of those photographs i ve seen with president trump signing executive orders, well, he has a ceo like andrew liverest of dow chemical standing next to him saying maybe we should call this the dow bill. people that make dangerous pesticides. maybe they ll be legal again. steve schwartzman, a ceo from blackstone, joining president trump on that trip to saudi arabia, where blackstone raised a cool $40 billion in permanent capital from the saudi family. these are not just anecdotes. these are bad things. what can be done about them? so, the first thing we try to do is to get some accountability, and that s why senator whitehouse and i put this report together, is to try to say here s what s happening. it s one more example, just as others have done, of trying to twaef flag, trying to make it clear what s going on, because that is the first step at accountability. the second step is too to try to get the word out, i posted this on my website, i snow that senator whitehouse will be doing the same, to send it around to everybody that we can because it is only when the voices of the people are heard that we re going to be able to fight back against this. i believe in accountability for government. right now that s going to take people across the country, it s going the take grassroots saying, wait a minute, i see what you re doing, donald trump, and it s not okay with me. that s our first step. knost people would not be surprised that you gave the president an f. what do you say to those who say great, elizabeth warren, this is just a partisan argument, we ve heard it, you re anti-trump, what do you say to them? it s 193 lobbyists and corporate claonsultants that donald trump has brought in to help advise him and then help him run the government. the document is there. read the numbers. you can t ignore the facts any longer. that s what s happening in washington. and be clear, the american people know what s going on. they re not fooled. the american people want solutions. you ve been anti-trump, opposed to the republicans health care efforts. president trump says, for example, in health care, single pay yes, something you have pushed for, will bankrupt america. do you believe it s a resolution that could help america? i think we have three things we need to do on the health care front. the first is we need to defend what we have right now and that means not let 32 million people get knocked off health care. when there s a vote next week as mitch mcconnell has said there will be, we need to defeat the effort to repeal the affordable care act. the second thing we need to do is bring down costs, for example, the cost of prescription drugs. i have a bill with bernie sanders and others that says we can import those drugs from canada where often they are paying one-tenth of what we re paying here in the united states. are there any republicans willing to work on that bill? because partisanship is the only way you re going to get anywhere. we are certainly reaching out and we re certainly open to that. you know, the problem of high cost for prescription drugs is not just a democratic problem. it s a problem that faces democrats, republicans, independents. i talked to people all across massachusetts who tell me i m paying $162 a month for this prescription drug. i could buy it in canada for less than half that. i m paying $300 on prescription drugs, $500 on prescription drugs. and the drug companies just keep raising prices, raising prices and raising prices. we ve got to be willing to push back against that and bring down the costs, bring down the costs for families and bring down the costs for insurance companies because that will help bring down the cost of insurance overall. and, yeah, when we do that, we also need to talk about how we get more coverage across america. you know, how we expand medicare so it s available to more americans. so i think we ve got all three parts, defend what we ve got exexpand what we ve got, and then let s have a serious conversation about how he get better coverage through medicare. those are the ways we can get full coverage and help bring down costs for all of us. i have to ask you about president trump s comments about his own attorney general, jeff sessions, yesterday. telling new york times, sessions never should have recused himself and if he was going to, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked someone else. what do you make of this? is it almost a gift that president trump continues to no. mud dpi di the waters and ghefrt to an agenda? you know, no, it is not a gift. i m here to fight for working families. it means the business for working families is not being done. trump s rash about jeff sessions are one more example of how he s not interested in following the law and he s not interested in protecting anyone but himself. i opposed jeff sessions for attorney general of the united states, but let s be clear, his recusing himself is simply following the law. that is what the department of justice requires. he followed the rules. for donald trump to say, gee, i really wanted an attorney general who wouldn t follow the rules is just like i said, one more example. donald trump has only one thing in mind, and that is how can everything profit donald trump. if you opposed jeff sessions before, now he recused himself, sounds like donald trump wants him out. do you want him to quit? i d be very glad for him to quit and get someone else in as attorney general of the united states. i believe firmly jeff sessions should not be the number-one lawmaker in america. he is right now the one who is responsible for enforcing our laws, and his views on many of those laws i think head us in the wrong direction. on civil rights, on drug, on private prisons. there are many reasons for jeff sessions not to be attorney general. you think president trump s next pick would be better? we can have that fight. but jeff sessions in major areas is trying to pull us in the wrong direction. elizabeth warren sending president trump back to summer school. nobody wants an f. thanks for joining me. take care. up next, much more from donald trump s explosive and i m going to say it bizarre interview with the new york times. how he defends the correlation between don junior s russian meeting and his attacks on hillary clinton. but today we ve been talking about it all morning. today is the six-month mark for president trump. one thing he does get very high marks for is the stock market, which has risen 9% in the first six months alone, much higher than his predecessors . did it benefit trump supporters? it definitely benefited many in his cabinet. moments ago the opening bell rang. down slightly but coming off a high mark. there s nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel, i want someone who makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. and with their price match, i know i m getting the best price every time. c mon, gary! your vacation is very important. that s why booking.com makes finding the right hotel for the right price easy. visit booking.com now to find out why we re booking.yeah! during episodes of low blood sugar, or if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. don t share needles or insulin pens. don t reuse needles. the most common side effect is low blood sugar, which may cause dizziness, sweating, confusion, and headache. check your blood sugar. low blood sugar can be serious and may be life-threatening. injection site reactions may occur. tell your prescriber about all medicines you take and all your medical conditions. taking tzds with insulins like tresiba® may cause serious side effects like heart failure. your insulin dose shouldn t be changed without asking your prescriber. get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing, fast heartbeat, extreme drowsiness, swelling of your face, tongue, or throat, dizziness, or confusion. ask your health care provider if you re tresiba® ready. covered by most insurance and medicare plans. tresiba® ready it s my decision to make it s nbeauty last.ix. roc® retinol started visibly reducing my fine lines and wrinkles in one week. and the longer i use it, the better it works. retinol correxion® from roc methods, not miracles.™ hillary clinton and i said, i mean, that s standard political stuff. did you know at the time that they had the meeting? no, i didn t know anything about the meeting. that s not standard political stuff. that was more of president trump s interview with the new york times talking about his son and son-in-law s meeting with the russian lawyer. this comes after the white house and trump s political team said president trump was not aware of any meeting between his son, don junior, and a russian lawyer. kate kelly and jason johnson. kate, president trump is saying he heard about the request for the meet bug then saying he didn t know about the meeting. are voters going to buy this? i don t know if they will, but i m not sure his base will give a darn. i mean, i think it s more of the same. i mean, he doesn t use e-mail, right so, he goes off memory many times. he has aides that help prefresh his memory when he needs that. in this case, you could make a case that he knew about it or didn t know about it. he then goes on to say, well, you know, i talked often on the stump about i often beat up hillary clinton and talked about her ties to russia and receiving money for speeches and so on. so he tries to sort of equivocate. it s just not clear. let s play that because it doesn t necessarily matter if it s his voters who care. does robert mueller care? listen. you give speech that night saying you re going to gave speech about how hillary clinton s corrupt dealings with russia and other countries, and that comes just three hours after don junior number one, remember, i made many of those speeches. people wondered about the timing. i go after it all the time. this is ahead of their visit to capitol hill. don junior, paul manafort, jared kushner. to simply say that this is politics, we learned from the new york times paul manafort in the hole to russian interests 17 million bucks pap few nice meetings and a tip of the hat, that would sure help clear that kind of dough. just quickly, start of peter baker to bring up the time line. he wrote a story on this last week. it was three hours late they re he promised a big bombshell on this topic so that is somewhat damning. at this point it s hard to believe this all happened in the building that he didn t know that he detective know in advance, we ve fot 8 million people, the number of people at this meeting, manafort, kushner, boris and natasha, smirnov, everybody was in this room. yakov smirnoff was not in the room. at this point i wouldn t doubt it nap s the thing. it s so disingenuous. i have to say this. this idea that this is just common politics, you get this e-mail, if anybody here got an e-mail from a deposed african prince saying i got $20 million for you, you don t respond to that either. the president to suggest from a foreign enemy that it was just okay that he would, this is a problem. nigerian e-mail scammers, get don junior s e-mail address. exactly. without sounding like an apologist for the president, i think this is yet another reflection of his inexperience in politics, his somewhat narrow experience of running a private family real estate organization. think about how he thinks about things and how he free associates. the topic of rod rosenstein comes up. he s ticked off because rosen steep is from baltimore where there are very few republicans. that s his reaction. he s not thinking in a sort of thoughtful, logical way. for republicans. listening to this. the only take-away should be opportunity lost. this was an opportunity of a lifetime for republicans to get to their agenda. and listen to what the president said when asked about his ties with russian businessmen. it s extraordinary. i mean, it s possible there s a condo or something, so, you know, i sell a lot of condo units and somebody from russia buys a condo, who knows? i don t get any money from russia. they said i own buildings in russia. i don t. they said i made money from russia. it s not my thing. i don t do that. no one said he owns buildings in russia. they said he got money from russia. he s a licenser. he doesn t build them and pay for them himself. i have to say i think the condo point is a smart point because it s a good way to explain there might be some links there, i have connections to many, many real estate units in the u.s. and beyond if some russians bought my condo, that might be a legitimate and irrelevant thing to this investigation. he s kind of doing what he does, which is here, media, follow the ball this way, and investigation is happening over here. media won t fall for this nonsense but robert mueller can quickly find out if all these condos are sold to shell companies, sold at off-market properties like his estate in palm beach he buys for 40 and sells for 90. in i m robert mueller, i don t look the other way. he ll fire robert mueller before anything happens and the republican party will sit there with their hands in their pockets and say we didn t know what to do. correct. how low can you go. i don t know. he loves the hip-hop. we have to take a break. next, could the juice be set loose? 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it s so interesting, anderson, like someone flipped the switch and turned on the waterworks. we were just enjoying calm skies and then boom it came on. now it s easing up a little bit. ernest hemingway, law mar, calm storms and who survived, what boa boats survived. about five families are actually riding out the storm in this little marina here in key largo. not on their boats but in a stone building right here nearby. there s also a shop has three storage made of stones. we re just bracing to see what comes next, anderson. yeah. people shifting their plans all throughout the day as the winds and the path of this storm has been shifting here further west. let s go to john berman who s standing by in miami beach. john, you know, we talked about this earlier today with chris cuomo, but it can be so deceptive when if you haven t been through one of these hurricanes before, and frankly no one s been through a hurricane this size, but it can be so deceptive when you look at the weather for most of the day here in ft. myers, you know it s been hot, the sun s been out at times, sometimes just behind the clouds, haven t really seen a lot of rain. but as we saw bill weir talking and storm surge as well, anderson. maybe not the 10 to 15 feet they re fearing where you are on the west coast, which sounds terrifying, but 3 feet, maybe up to 6 feet in some areas. in particular concern you can see behind me right now there s the causeway. there s a bridge out to miami beach. miami beach is particularly low lying. it s one of these barrier islands, mandatory evacuations over that whole island. that has been a cause of particular concern now. the entire run up to hurricane irma making impact. our kyung lah is out on miami beach, one of the few people, hopefully, still out on miami beach. kyung, what are you seeing out there? 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far? well, we saw 48 hours ago that it was starting to shift west. so now 48 hours later it s not an east coast storm, it s a west coast storm. the fact that you re there in ft. myers, the real threat in the florida keys which is going to get hit hard and it got to cat 5 on the florida keys, that could give some structural damage to the 7-mile bridge. but that s a whole set of other problems. but coming up the west coast, if it moves out into the gulf and parallels the coast, that s the worst of all possible situations because the counterclockwise rotation takes the water and runs it up the bays like charlotte harbor and tampa bay. and once, anderson, it gets up in the bays, there s no place for it to go. so it walls up and becomes a huge, huge storm surge. right. at this point, i mean, they re talking about for tampa bay estimates of 5 to 8 feet of storm surge. of course depending on the wind you have waves on top of that. and even here at ft. myers could be 10 to 15 feet. i mean, senator, for people who are living in a one-level house, i mean, a 15-foot storm surge, that covers first floor of a house. exactly. and then if the storm surge comes at high tide, you just add that much more water. i remember back in 2004 covering hurricane charlie and i was talking to the mayor here in ft. myers, charlie was on the same track essentially coming up this river. it had an adjustment of about 4 degrees and hit porta gorda which wasn t initially what people expected it to do, i remember i was in tampa, florida, and ended up driving there, even now this storm could still move even slight changes in degrees make a huge, huge difference. it could, but you ve got to give a shoutout to the national weather service and hurricane center and noaa. all of their assets they re much more accurate now in their predictions of the path and intensity since hurricane charlie. but you re right, anderson. hurricane charlie was going up the west coast and all of a sudden it took a right hook and went right up charlotte harbor, ground zero was ponta gorda, and that was a big surprise. there ve been a lot of people evacuated from tampa to come down to stay in the holiday inn and that ended up being ground zero. i got a text this morning saying where should i go, should i go back to miami beach, because now tampa seems to be possibly worse off than miami was supposed to be. are you concerned about people getting to shelters? you know, buses here in ft. myers were supposed to stop at 3:00. we ve seen a long line outside one shelter the arena where our correspondent has been. seems like everybody s going to be able to get into that arena. but it seems like there s a lot of people who decided to ride out this storm and then woke up this morning and realized, wait a minute, this storm has moved west. we re now directly in its sights. that s precisely what s happened. and you re not only getting to locations for shelters now. i saw it, i just came from tampa from hillsboro county emergency center, the traffic on interstate 4 going east is significantly picked up. so that s exactly what people are doing like your friend that you just mentioned. they had evacuated to the west coast. now they re moving off the west coast back to the east. yeah. when i drove here obviously going west from miami this morning there was virtually no traffic heading back to miami. but as you say now that s definitely changed. senator, appreciate talking to you. we ll talk to you in the days ahead. another short break, but our coverage continues in a moment. we are not here to sit idly by. we are here.to leave a mark. experience a shift in the natural order. experience amazing. when does a business trip really start? the global lounge collection from american express offers you a place to prepare and recharge at over one thousand airport lounges worldwide. the world is yours, with platinum. backed by the service and security of american express. backed by the service and security 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whole lot over. that resistance would be dangerous. so they let them twist like that. could be a terrifying sight for people in the city of miami. building officials here in the city sent a note out saying if you live in a building near one of these cranes, you should evacuate. there is obvious concern about that, just one of the things we re watching here in miami as the wind has picked up. it is now consistently windy here. a wind of about 30 miles an hour blowing. fairly consistently. gusts a little more than that. just starting to drizzle right now as these bands move through. let s go to allison chinchar in the cnn weather center to get a sense of what we will be feeling here in the keys and maybe most importantly on the west coast of florida and when. allison. that s right, john. we take a look at the current numbers that we have right now, irma is a category 3 storm and a very strong category 3 storm. winds right now 125 miles per hour, just five miles per hour stronger and it would be a category 4 storm. you re talking a difference of 5 miles per hour here. so don t focus on the category number so much but the intensity of the winds. movement is west at about 9 miles per hour. but we have started to see at least a slight shift off to the north as well. one of the big concerns is going to be maximum wind gusts. take a look at some of these numbers. key west we re talking around 138 miles per hour. this will be at the peak as the storm is crossing over that region. naples and ft. myers also in that 130 to 130-mile-per-hour range. even tampa likely to be around 116. now, the east coast while it may not be as strong, you re still talking pretty strong wind gusts. in fact, orlando looking at 95 miles per hour for their peak wind gusts. storm surge is also going to be a huge threat with this particular storm. we got some updated numbers a few hours ago that really made these numbers rise. in fact, especially in the southwest portion. say naples down towards key largo we re talking 10 to 15 feet. miami down towards key west, 5 to 10 feet. even around the ft. myers area you re talking 6 to 10 feet. the numbers however you have to understand what they mean, so let s take a look at this for example. just to talk about storm surge. 10 feet is what an average first story building is. so if you have storm surge of 10 feet, and keep in mind some places we re actually forecasting higher than 10 feet, some areas it could be as much as 15 feet, which means it would start creeping into the second story of a home or a business or something like that. but this is just the storm surge. now you also have to factor in the waves. this is where true inundation takes place. because it s not just the amount of rain or not just the amount of water pushed in from the storm surge, but those waves, the crests of those waves can add even a couple more feet on top of that. so you talk about 5 to 6 feet, if you have a person 6 feet tall, you are now completely submerged under water and you have the waves moving everything around. this is where it gets very concerning, especially those higher amounts too. you could have cars submerged. if you take that car out onto a street as the storm surge is pushing in, you will have absolutely no control over that vehicle. even say the car may not be fully submerged at that point. now, when we talk about the track, this is the part that everybody is concerned about because you want to know where landfall is expected to be. however, because of the size of the storm, at this point it s really just semantics. everybody around florida is going to get some impact from this storm. some will just get bigger impacts than others, namely the winds. here s what we expect. we do expect it to increase back to a category 4 strength storm as it crosses over the keys and continues its way up the west coast. right now landfall could be anywhere from say naples to ft. myers, even up around tampa. and tampa is a huge city. a lot of people in tampa did not necessarily evacuate, especially several days ago. thinking this was mostly going to be an east coast main landfall of a storm. but that is now starting to change. then we see the track kind of push further into the north, states like alabama, georgia, as well as tennessee. and the other thing, john, to note is we are still talking a pretty good amount of rain. we ve talked about storm surge and wind, but don t count out the rain. we could be looking at widespread rainfall totals of 6 to 12 inches of rain. all right. allison chinchar, an important forecast, point people should listen to there when you re talking about impact on the state of florida, the impact of a hurricane will be the entire state of florida. the eye may hit on the west coast, but you re going to feel the storm force winds and see the storm surge in water like this all across the southern part of the state. the storm surge clearly what is worrying officials the most, you can hear it in the voice of the governor. you can hear it in the voice of the fema director in washington. they re watching that very, very carefully, particularly on the west coast where they could see a storm surge from 10 to 15 feet. let s go over to the west coast. i want to talk to ben mcmillan. he s a storm chaser. he s in punta gorda, florida, right now, punta gorda, by the way, has seen its share of hurricanes in the past. and, ben, you have a fairly alarming prediction of what could happen, particularly on the west coast because of hurricane irma. you say some parts of florida could end up looking like a third world country. why? well, the issue with the storm surge you were talking about is it plows through everything in its path, buildings, cars, vehicles and even people. and that is one of the most damaging forces of nature. all that water coming up from the bay up over these walls and into the city, guys, we re talking about 10 to 15 foot of surge. so these walls aren t going to be any match for all that water coming up out of the ocean. now, i m over here in miami where they ve been preparing really for several days right now. one of the things that has concerned me is that maybe people on the west have been a little complacent. what s your take on that? what have you seen? as we ve driven north we ve seen a lot of people out and about. some people even going about their normal daily routines and that s the big concern here is that people might not have gotten enough of the urgency that the state officials have been trying to communicate because so much of that effort was directed towards east coast. but we want to tell you now if you live on the west coast of florida and being asked to evacuate, please go now. this threat is real. so couple hundred thousand people have been evacuated, st. petersburg issued evacuation orders, they re watching that very, very carefully. ben, just because you ve seen storms like this, you ve watched all of these storms very carefully, people think hurricane, they think the winds. they always keep track of the wind strength. and now after hurricane harvey people have thought about flooding. but storm surge is something completely different. and in some ways one of the most dangerous things that can happen in a hurricane. why? just because the power of all that water. winds can be stopped by stronger buildings, stronger construction, but when you have that much force coming up especially out of something like the ocean where it s unlimited supply of all that water, almost anything could be toppled. and of course on the west coast you have these bays. there are a lot of people now saying that the concern about the path of this storm maybe even if it s slightly off the west coast it will push the water up into the bays on the west, particularly tampa bay. that city, the city of tampa, lies so close to the water there on that bay, how bad could it get there? well, unfortunately, john, tampa, metro over 3 million people, that s a lot of folks that i don t know if we re going to get them all out in time. so there could be serious consequences if this storm is any more to the west as meteorologists have been saying strong storm surge on the eastern part of the storm, the northeast quadrant is where we watch closely for some of the most dangerous conditions. all right. ben in punta gorda, you have your work cut out for you for the next few days. i hope people heed your warnings there. over here in miami the winds have picked up consistently blowing now fairly strongly. going to feel these winds for some time all over the southern part of florida as the storm moves up west toward anderson cooper is in ft. myers. anderson. yeah, john, thanks very much. i want you to meet captain rodriguez, commander of hurricane operations for the city of ft. myers police department. how are things going? so far so good. our community s listening. we re starting evacuations and actually wrapping them up. giving some rides to people that still need it, but overall very good. the public buses that were in operation to try to get people shelters that are offered people call 211, those shut down at 3:00. so if people don t have a vehicle, is there any way for them to still get to a shelter if they want? yeah, we still need them to call us, they can call 211 and we re doing our best, fire, ems and police we re going to help them to get to shelter. looks like a lot of those people were people who thought they could ride it out and when the storm suddenly shifted west, wait a minute, we re in a different category. exactly right. waited a little too long but we re going to do our best to get them out. that s why we say please get out as fast as you can. you ve been through a lot of storms before. through hurricane andrew, right? yes, sir. how does that inform the way you react to this? i did survive andrew, take this very seriously. that s a piece of my public to my community, i ve been doing that for a week now, please get out. don t take this lightly. i moved out myself and my family just to show that i m serious about this. you know, it is so deceptive if you re hanging out here today, you know, it seems calm. and then all of a sudden it can change on a dime. the calm before the storm. if you re from florida or lived anywhere with hurricanes, you know what s coming. this is a very serious one. right. in terms of the aftermath, you know, for police if there were 911 calls during the storm, obviously it can be too dangerous for police, for firefighters, for ems or anybody to go out, you got to wait. what are the priorities? because in many cases you got to get the roads clear before you can even get anywhere. right. we work with fire and ems and we have an emergency response team with chainsaws and stuff like that and we prioritize all the calls. we take the calls and prioritize them. as soon as it s safe for our guys to go out there, we go by highest priority. obviously our hospitals, our shelters main importance to clear the areas around there so we can use those facilities. people listening right now whether they re considering to going to shelter or staying home or figure out what to do the next couple hours, what s your message? if you re going to stay there, hunker down. please call us. we ll get to you as soon as we can. but understand we re no good if i can t get there, if my people can t get there. so pray or do whatever it is you do to stay safe. and we ll be there for you at the outcome. we have a lot of plans in place for what happens after the storm. captain, appreciate all your efforts. good luck to you. a lot more to cover here in ft. myers, also john berman in miami. and of course all our correspondents all around. we ll be right back. sfx: t-mobile mnemonic sfx: t-mobile mnemonic sfx: t-mobile mnemonic t-mobile s unlimited now includes netflix on us. that s right, netflix on us. get four unlimited lines for just forty bucks each. taxes and fees 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where we are right now, if it raises 10 feet, this area s going to be flooded. 15 feet, there s no telling how much of this area will be flooded. this is actually evacuation zone b they call it. evacuation zone a there s already a mandatory evacuation for them earlier today. they also called out a mandatory evacuation for this area, b basically stretches south of here and west across the river. so it s a really big area. they ve been sending out police with loud speakers saying, look, this is now a mandatory evacuation zone. trying to get as many people as possible to the shelters. because frankly there s a lot of people who have just thought, look, you know, it s miami. this is going to be an east coast storm. it s miami that s going to get the worst of this. it is a whole different story right now as we continue to track where this storm is exactly. i want to check in with brian todd who s in west palm beach. brian, it looks like it s not going to be as bad there as it might have been. i m wondering what you re hearing from people and what you re seeing. well, anderson, the streets have gotten a lot more deserted here because the wind has started to kick up. we were told by our weather people at cnn that we could expect tropical storm force winds about now. we re starting to experience those. white caps here on the intercoastal waterway, storm surge is a concern because it could lap up and wash through this area and inundate it with water if the storm surge plus high tide combine with each other. less than an hour ago they ratcheted up those warnings you were talking about going door-to-door with loud speakers, they ratcheted up that pressure on people to stay inside. less than an hour ago a curfew went into effect. they do not want to see people out here on the streets. once in a while a vehicle will pass by, but no traffic, people seem to be abiding by the curfew. now, we talk about the danger of cranes, we have a double whammy here because we have two cranes here. this one is bracketed down. about halfway up that bracket securing it. but another one over here just to my left walk a little bit here. this is a large construction site, looks like a condominium being built here. that one is also bracketed down about halfway up. and as we ve been talking about all day here and in miami, the tops these top booms of these cranes are going to be allowed to swing. and it s going to look pretty ominous when they re allowed to swing, but they are designed to do that. we had a lady just come and tell us who lives in that apartment building there she s concerned that that crane may topple and hit her apartment building. we ve got apartment buildings over here and a church over here. if these cranes come down, those places could be vulnerable, anderson. yeah, brian, i know miami certainly we saw they were securing those cranes as much as they could. but as you said they allow the outer arm of that crane to basically act like a weather vain. that s actually safer. we ll obviously continue to watch all the construction sites. but, brian, in west palm beach as elsewhere in florida, building codes have changed in the wake of andrew as people probably know by now, some newer structures are built much more solidly, supposed to be able to withstand strong storms. that s right. they are. and they re built to code here. andrew was the storm that really changed that equation all throughout south florida, anderson, as you know. all of these buildings are built to code, however, we were looking at one hotel not far from here and those people told us that they were built only to withstand a category 2. so not everybody is able to withstand a 4 or 5 despite what you may think about certain standards here. however, a lot of these buildings seem very solid and secure. but when you ve got, you know, 130-mile-per-hour winds possibly here it might be not quite as strong, but they re going to threaten some structures. they re going to rip whole sections of roof off other structures probably. so those are things you have to watch out for. this construction site is kind of that in a microcosm. look at all the loose stuff that s here. they ve secured a lot of this, but a lot of this could be flying around tomorrow. so it s the flying debris, anderson, at the height of these storms that is very, very dangerous. not as dangerous as you ve heard chad and allison and our other weather people say that the flooding is because that is the thing that kills the most people. but flying debris. flying shingles and flying sections of rooftops, that s going to be a big concern in addition to these babies right behind me, these cranes. yeah, i mean, it s one of the reasons people need to stay indoors not just because of the surge and flood waters and chance of drowning, but again, those projectiles. when it is dark out and that wind is whipping, i mean, i ve been out there, as you have and so many others, you don t know what s coming. you can t see what s coming towards you until often it s too late. we re going to continue to check in with brian. we re going to take a short break as our coverage from florida from all points in southern florida and beyond continues in a moment. we just got to take it one game at a time. next question. odell! can you repeat everything you just said? my livestream won t load. 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