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there were more like these homes made for the guest worker program. you know, all immigrants were like stuffed in there. >> anthony: and integrated. >> maurizio: yeah. >> anthony: meaning the italians all lived together. >> maurizio: not all italians, but lots of immigrants, like turkish people, italian people, surrounded by germans. >> anthony: what do they think of the food, your parents? like when they first -- look at all the cabbage and the potatoes and the giant hunks of cured pork. >> maurizio: they love potatoes, that's for sure. but all this other stuff like haxen, they don't like that stuff. >> anthony: when you came home from school, what did your mom cook for you? italian or german? >> maurizio: just italian. >> anthony: just italian. this is no surprise. >> anthony: and spaghetti alle vongole. so life is good as far as i'm concerned. give me a good spaghetti with white clam sauce and i don't need much more. maybe some wine. everybody here says the same thing, "we are open minded. we try to be fair to everybody. we're welcoming. we're proud of that. that will never change." do you think that the refugees
even consider themselves italy. >> maurizio: they don't consider themselves as italian because they've always been left alone by the state, and i don't know italy. you know, i've been in sienna, i've been to rome, i've been to milano, but that's it. >> anthony: so italy is a more foreign country than germany. >> maurizio: yup. >> anthony: you couldn't find me an italian? i mean, what the --, man? >> anthony: celentano bar doesn't look like much, but what they're serving is deceptively good. antipasti, gratzi, carpaccio, tomatoes with pepper, parmigiana, grilled zucchini, mortadella. the italians came during the period i guess in the '70s to work in factories along with the turks and the eastern europeans, and everybody else who came in? >> maurizio: like my dad did, for example. he worked in a cow factoryear osnabrück. >> anthony: was your neighborhood italian, orixed or german? >> maurizio: it was mixed.
who are coming here, that they will be integrated into german society as efficiently and as gracefully as your family was? >> maurizio: i'm not sure because times are so different to the '80s. >> anthony: but, look, germans are organized. >> maurizio: organization is just one fact. you need to control, to handle this, but um -- >> anthony: look, all the people who were involved on new year's eve, do you think that if they get work, that if people are kind to them, if they're given housing, do you think eventually germany will figure it out? >> maurizio: i'm not that optimistic to be honest, because i'm convinced that it's not a german problem. >> anthony: right. >> maurizio: it's a world problem. it's a european problem. we're all stuck in the same boat. ♪
neighborhood italian, or mixed or german? >> maurizio: it was mixed. there were more like these homes made for the guest worker program. you know, all immigrants were like stuffed in there. >> anthony: and integrated. >> maurizio: yeah. >> anthony: meaning the italians all lived together. >> maurizio: not all italians, but lots of immigrants, like turkish people, italian people, surrounded by germans. >> anthony: what do they think of the food, your parents? like when they first -- look at all the cabbage and the potatoes and the giant hunks of cured pork. >> maurizio: they love potatoes, that's for sure. but all this other stuff like haxen, they don't like that stuff. >> anthony: when you came home from school, what did your mom cook for you? italian or german? >> maurizio: just italian. >> anthony: just italian. this is no surprise. >> anthony: and spaghetti alle vongole. so life is good as far as i'm concerned. give me a good spaghetti with white clam sauce and i don't need much more. maybe some wine. everybody here says the same thing, "we are open minded. we try to be fair to everybody. we're welcoming. we're proud of that. that will never change."
>> anthony: why? what accounts for cologne, some would say un-german relaxed and open style? one explanation might be the "dead-roman theory." i have suggested that the presence of long dead roman legions enriches the soil making for good wine and a propensity for frolicking and drinking that wine. it is, i hasten to add, an idiotic theory. but i want it to be true. cheers. maurizio arca here is german-italian. sort of. so, you've been represented to me as italian, but you're sardinian. >> maurizio: yes, i am. >> anthony: this is a whole different thing. >> maurizio: it is definitely. >> anthony: my father-in-law and his whole family are from nuoro. >> maurizio: really? >> anthony: so i am well familiar with sardinia, and i know that, you know, this is not
do you think that the refugees who are coming here, that they will be integrated into german society as efficiently and as gracefully as your family was? >> maurizio: i'm not sure because times are so different to the '80s. >> anthony: but, look, germans are organized. >> maurizio: organization is just one fact. you need to control, to handle this, but um -- >> anthony: look, all the people who were involved on new year's eve, do you think that if they get work, that if people are kind to them, if they're given housing, do you think eventually germany will figure it out? >> maurizio: i'm not that optimistic to be honest, because i'm convinced that it's not a german problem. >> anthony: right. >> maurizio: it's a world problem. it's a european problem. we're all stuck in the same boat. ♪
a dialect, this is a language. >> maurizio: yeah, right. >> anthony: and there is some ambivalence about whether they even consider themselves italy. >> maurizio: they don't consider themselves as italian because they've always been left alone by the state, and i don't know italy. you know, i've been in sienna, i've been to rome, i've been to milano, but that's it. >> anthony: so italy is a more foreign country than germany. >> maurizio: yup. >> anthony: you couldn't find me an italian? i mean, what the --, man? >> anthony: celentano bar doesn't look like much, but what they're serving is deceptively good. antipasti, gratzi, carpaccio, tomatoes with pepper, parmigiana, grilled zucchini, mortadella. the italians came during the period i guess in the '70s to work in factories along with the turks and the eastern europeans, and everybody else who came in? >> maurizio: like my dad did, for example. he worked in a cow factory near osnabrück. >> anthony: was your
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