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expose him as an expert level grifter, but there's something at the level of the psyche that's speaking to this sense of grievance and this sense of resentment that trumpism -- that trumpism attracts, and so i wonder how the lincoln project will get at that, even as they expose this grifting component of trumpism itself. >> sure. >> rick, you want to show some cards there? >> sure. of course. you know, eddie, first off, i couldn't love you more now that you're also a d&d guy. but i will say this. what we've been doing for a long time is splitting off small amounts of trump's vote. we all it the bannon line. it was named by steve bannon. he said, if they split off 3% to 8% of the gop, trump can't win. we said, hold my beer. so, we're splitting off fractions at a time in the effort to weaken his base, weaken his fund-raising, to disrupt his operations, to make it harder and harder for him to be the only fish in the pond because, you know, we view donald trump still as the presumptive nominee in 2024. we think we need to be ready for
what then? because it's not just trump. trump is a kind of cynic -- you know, he's a kind of representation of a much deeper, problematic, that you've just laid out. that is to say, he's not -- we're not going to remove trumpism by removing trump from the playing field. i just don't believe that's the case. we're going to have to deal with what's at the heart of the problem, and at the heart of the problem is this feeling, at least i believe so, and i think the data backs me up on this, the feeling that a certain demographic in this country believes that they are under cultural and demographic threat. so, trump could be the object of a certain kind of leftist plot to keep him from running for office, but that's not going to resolve the problem at the heart of the polity, that there are all of these people who believe what he represents, because in fact, he represents them. >> you always make the political profound, eddie. let me ask you this, though, as a political matter, should they pursue this strategy?
measure of just the hundred classified documents. >> there's some reporting, charlie, i want to read about what it appears to be the least legally sophisticated argument for people like me. she plain, straight up didn't understand what executive privilege was or is, and it sounds like trump wants his modified concern path back, he can have it and is the washington. >> reporter:ing. with less than two years, jinl cannon does not have a record record to review while presenting untested questions to shield sensitive communications from disclosure may be applied to past occupants of the white house in conflict with their successors. former senor russ feingold who leads the constitution society which closely tracks judicial
what beenes provide the department of justice? as witnesses finally tell the truth, there will be witnesses who tell the truth of how this committee was working. >> it's such a good point, frank, and doj shouldn't be criticized for going for the low-hanging criminal fruit first, as carol is saying you want to argue that the rule of law should apply to everyone evenly, sometimes it's easier to apply the rule of law of handling of classified documents and in this case, it was trump supporters. the other side of is that the evidence is so clear and that conduct so brazen that the big picture that you pull back and see is a bunch of people at trump's direction acting like criminals all day on every front, scramming their supporters for the wall or the super pac, lying about what they were taking from the white house
criminal investigation, donald trump, accusing the department of justice of unfair political targeting in the classified material investigation at mar-a-lago. but given a wave of new revelations on trump's conduct in office, freshly in our hands today, that political targeting accusation sounds more and more definitively like projection. extraordinary revelations today, courtesy of one of trump's own top federal prosecutors. his name is jeffery burrman and he was the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. we call it sdny, one of the highest profile federal offices in our country. you might remember in what leader chuck schumer described at the time as a sordid, ham-handed plot, jeffery burman was fired, first by bill barr, and then by trump, because bill barr didn't have the authority to fire him. it was late in his term. he twice refused to resign when they first tried to get him to do that. but in the course of carrying out his duties, berman says he
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illustrates the incredible of both trump and steve bannon connects them and the incredible contempt that they have of the most loyal supporters that they believed and they were able to execute a plan to fleece the most gullible trump supporters to the tune of $250 million. so, yes, there's very clear legal case involve that i agree and not necessarily a slam dunk, but just step back for a moment because one ever trump's claims has been that you people are victims. i am your big defender. i am the only one who can protect you when in fact the opposite is true because he looks at them as marks and he looks at them as people to grab by the ankles and turn them upside down and get the last nickel out of their pockets. you have these donors who have been lied to over and over and over in an effort by this from
>> we're back with our panel and continuing with this coverage out this week of a criminal investigation into the trump super pac. i want to show you, we want your legal analysis, but i just want to add a little bit more from this public hearing back into the conversation because it's been a minute. this was the select committee investigator, staff member amanda wick explaining how money raised off the big lie went to trump's pac. >> they continue to barrage small-dollar donors with emails encouraging them to donate to something called the official election defense fund. the select committee discovered no such fund existed. >> i don't believe there is actually a fund called the quality election defense fund. >> it is another on eye think we call that market list. >> the claims that the election was stolen were so successful
take us through his latest reporting this week about a new effort by democrats, some of them in congress, some of them in the states, to try to bar donald trump from ever holding office again. a potentially uphill fight to officially brand trump as an insurrectionist is next. plus, the brand-new anti-trump ad that calls out the disgraced twice-impeached ex-president's supporters for falling victim to his grift. it seems to have really irked him. and later in the program, it is the dawning of a new era in the uk as the nation in mourning hears from the first time from their new king, king charles iii. we'll have a live report from london. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. "deadline ws after a quick break.
that there is a much broader reporting under way that may ensnare trump's accomplices. the subpoena sought information about communications with a range of people, many of them lawyers who were also listed on earlier subpoenas that focused on the fake elector plan. among the lawyers appearing as subjectses of interest on both sets of subpoenas, jenna ellis and kenneth chesboro with the fake elector scheme. the people who were a party to the same criminal acts. >> well, i can't weigh in on the legal issues involved here, but i am fascinated by the political implications of all of this, because as you pointed out, one of the central factors of maga from the beginning, at bottom it is a massive con game, and it