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made. can i turn to the issue -- the vexing issue of the internet sessions already about the carriage. there's only one question i want to explore, which is what you and the government did, which you realize that you had this astonishing contract which given the decisions you're going to take come with aircraft carriers for 10 years with no aircraft to put it in. how carefully was renegotiation of that contract would be considered? >> well, can i make a broader point and then joe very specifically with your question. this was clearly, of all the problems we face, probably the greates...

former heads of the budget office. this is just under three hours. >> thank you for your presence and thank you for your participation. we'll go forward. we're going to turn it to my good colleague. i can't imagine the thrill that we had when joe biden called in january and said, al, the president and i have a tremendous deal for you. [laughter] >> i thought why do i answer the phone for joe after 30 years, i do. this is serious business. and the minute we hit it the shriek went up, ah, there they are. we are stalking horses. we are stalks horses for our grandchildren. your the admin...