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particularly because of this litany that he put out about how terrible the state of florida i- howard: yes. >> including all of these different links to left of center publications i including even joy reid -- howard: yeah. he says a bad place to live. >> exactly, exactly. and it's -- howard: but he lives there. >> he moved his whole life there, and i think that's something that actually indicates what trump seems to be planning to do especially if you pay attention to the things that have been telegraphedded about issues like abortion, is to run to desantis' left on a number of these questions. i think that that is a risky maneuver for trump, and in a lot of different ways it includes a real bet on the idea that the personal loyalty to him as a candidate is going to outrank the loyalty of various republican voters or or to conservative ideas. howard: leslie, coming back to the media coverage, is desantis allowing trump to define him in i mean, trump says these things and we cover them because as somebody pointed out earlier, we want a race.
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