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class="nosel"> div class="colspacer"> div class="gutr"> witnessed two very different realities, regardless of how you view these last few months of death and destruction, what transpired if the city raises a series of questions regarding a collective failure to end the war to bring all the hostages home and to stop the indiscriminate large-scale killing of palestinians. saturday over 200 palestinians were killed in israel on a refugee camp according to the government media office marking one of the bloodiest single days we have witnessed in eight months of war. videos of the aftermath show streets littered with debris and dead bodies, some images to disturbing that we can't even show you on screen. one witness described the scene to reuters by saying, quote, it was like a poor movie but this was a real massacre, bombs rained down on nusirat, israeli security forces were conducting a raid in the same area, after the strike, francesca alba knees, the repertoire condemns the mission saying that although she was relieved that four hostages have been released, it should not have come at the expense of 200 palestinians, she called it quote, humanitarian, flaws at another level. today's raid marks the third is really rescue attempt since october seventh. they said a hostage was brought home in the immediate aftermath of the attack. two more men were rescued after forces stormed an apartment in the area and those airstrikes also killed more than 60 palestinians including women and children according to local officials. we cannot forget three is really hostages were killed by the israeli military back in december and that happened after soldiers mistakenly identified them as a threat and opened fire on them despite the fact that they were waving white flags. so for the vast majority of israeli hostages have been released through temporary cease-fires, not wanton destruction and killing of palestinians likely witnessed today. the successful rescue missions few and far between and taking massive tolls on civilians. how many innocent palestinians killed is acceptable to rescue is really hostages especially since more than 100 hostages are still the leaf to be held by hamas and their families also want to see their loved ones home safely. family members of the hostages have been adamant that the only way to return all of those being held by hamas is through a cease-fire deal. however a cease-fire deal remains elusive with some powerful cabinet ministers rejecting any such efforts. the israeli prime minister is now using today's operation to try to ease mounting political pressure on him to resign urging one of his rivals and members of the cabinet who is reported to be quitting, to now reconsider and today may be another test for biden who has pushed for a cease-fire deal and may find the newly emboldened prime minister is inclined to defy the american president just to prolong this war to the detriment of the remaining hostages in palestine. we will follow the story and bring you any news as it develops. from silicon valley to the halls of congress, this week we learned cancel culture is alive and well and some would argue, it's surging and in this country and its targets share one thing in common, we start in the tech world where a software engineer sued mehta, a former employee is now alleging that mehta discriminated against him and unlawfully filed them after he filed complaints that the company was censoring palestinian creators. the complaint says he was simply doing his job since his role including assessing the quality of testing filters as it related to gaza and ukraine. shortly after the piece went live the long reviews website was shut down, according to the publication student editors, they solicited the peace and they followed all of the normal publishing protocols however they say they were then pressured by the board of directors to hold publication of this academic article which accuses israel of committing genocide and upholding an apartheid regime, when the editors refuse the request, the board made up a faculty and alumni from the law school and they shut it down. meanwhile in the west coast, in an industry that has a troubling history when it comes to blacklists, a prominent marketing executive is raising eyebrows over a memo she sent to her staff, ashley margolis, told employees that they should, quote, pause on working with any celebrity or influencer or taste maker posting against israel. according to variety the firm works with many top talent and public relations agency and noted that margolis was particularly adamant about not working with anyone who has used the term genocide to describe israel's actions. margolis declined to comment, taking together, these stories show the high price that is levied by those who are speaking out no matter what field you are in or how accomplished you are in the field, talking about the devastation in gaza could cost you. this stands in contrast with another story from this week, the new york times revealed that the government has been waging a secret influence campaign targeting u.s. lawmakers since october, the campaign used fake accounts and websites to spread content and mainly targeted lack lawmakers. on one hand we have palestinian voices or those who speak up for palestinians fired, cancer, demoted, marginalized or shut down and on the other we have the israeli government, secretly spending millions to amplify their message to the world and this and balance in power, this skewing of the public discourse comes to mind, when you consider this, the israeli prime minister will be coming to washington to address a joint session of congress on july 24th, invited by a bipartisan group of congressional leaders including senator schumer who took to the floor of congress to denounce the prime minister calling him an obstacle to peace and alleging that he's been placing his personal survival ahead of his nation's interest. now, and what amounts to a political win for benjamin netanyahu, congress will be welcoming him with open arms. remember, this is the same man who addressed a joint session of congress back in 2015 for the sole purpose of subverting the nuclear deal that obama and then his vice president joe biden, were negotiating with iran at this. this is a man who has a history of meddling in domestic american politics attempting to tip the scales in elections towards republicans including trump back in 2016 and now this is a man for whom the international criminal court is seeking an arrest warrant for war crimes and the international court of justice possibly believes is committing a genocide in gaza. you may be wondering how it's possible that after all that we have witnessed someone like prime minister benjamin netanyahu is getting the red carpet treatment in washington. when the debate in this country and on this issue is so skewed in favor of one side and voices of dissent are stifled, we end up with an alleged war criminal to be welcomed with open arms by our elected officials to the heart of american political power. this case that you find yourself in, and i believe there is an update, the student editors at columbia law review who have been battling with the say that your piece is up on the website, it's titled as a legal concept. tell me briefly, what was so controversial about this piece that you wrote these things? >> thank you for having me, i can't sit here in good conscience and talk about my piece as if this was the focal point, here especially today as you reported over 200 people in gaza were slaughtered in the refugee camp. and there is a continuum between the material reality and gaza, the genocide and the silencing of palestinian voices specifically in the u.s. this attempts to silence in this case my voice but other voices, it's a reflection of dissent that's intended to manufacture consent, now, as for the article itself, the board of directors have attached a disclaimer or a statement basically on the home page of the columbia law review, trying to undermine the peace, allegations that were refuted by the student editors and in fact, the editors of the columbia law review have announced a strike so they are striking to protest the boards statement, to protest their infringement of the process and guarantee academic freedom and independence. >> you think what has happened here, what was done to your piece was meant to be a chilling effect for other you know, academics like yourself who want to advance legal concepts surrounding the rights of palestinians. >> i asked the same question, i think what is so scary about it, it's a scholarly piece, well substantiated and the fact that the board could not -- >> did they tell you any reason why, in either case did anyone come to you and say here is what we find problematic with your scholarship? >> in this case the board of directors shut down the website and they didn't even contact me up until today. so i haven't officially heard from them. i think it speaks more to their sloppy manner with which they are handling the situation. up until today they could not cite any claims against the peace, we worked on this for over six months editing back and forth and i think it's extensive and i'm grateful for the student enters for the work and the professionalism that they extended. >> shamir, i wanted to talk to you about what you and your client are going through and what you are alleging, can you walk me through the allegations that you and your client are making on behalf of what you are charging meadow with? >> my client was a coveted software engineer, he was recruited by facebook at meta and he noticed that the account had irregularities, so he started looking into that account and he was told to immediately stop and within a few weeks, he was terminated simply because they said that he might have known, and what's absurd is he has not met with, and the sole basis for the rationale was because my client is palestinian, they must know each other. now apply the same process for any other minority group, it would be the equivalent of firing and african american engineer for trying to fix an issue with for example beyonci's account simply because they are both african american, that is literally their basis, he received excellent performance reviews for every year he was at meta and applauded for going above and beyond, and they simply fired him because they said he is palestinian and he shouldn't be looking at irregularities of another individual whose also palestinian. >> this is the first time meta has been accused of censoring palestinian voices. what have you learned about the company during this process, do you believe there was based on what you've been able to learn, a systemic suppression of palestinian voices or do you think they were certain singularly targeting your client. >> let me provide you one anecdote. i recently learned that meta had an employer reece's fair where the muslim group had watermelons as decorations, and their booth was shut down, even though the flyer for the event itself had watermelons, because it's a summer event. that is the level of silencing that is going on for data employees, i've heard from a number of current employees, a lot of investigations and another anecdote, they launched hr investigations for employees simply having the palestinian flag in their bio despite other employees having the israeli or ukrainian flags and their bio, this is targeted towards palestinians and these efforts at silencing them are having ripple effects for the palestinians who are still at meta and the purpose of our lawsuit is twofold, one, we want the employees who are still at meta to know that we support them and number 2, we want to send a clear message to meta, we are not afraid of you and you will not silence us. >> can you tell us about how your client is doing, given all the turmoil that he's had to endure as a result? >> he is extremely courageous, his name has been all over the media, and i think he is just one of many individuals but he is an individual who decided to speak up despite any ramifications, he's doing okay right now but his primary concern is for his former colleagues who are still at meta and have to deal with these issues on a daily basis. >> let me ask you about the double standards, when you see what is happening to you and when you hear allegedly, what's happening to, and you see the prime minister of israel getting the red carpet treatment into the halls of power, what, how, how do you reconcile this? >> you know i think it speaks more, for example, in the case of the columbia review, it speaks more on the board of directors, it's embarrassing on their behalf and i think it's shameful and you know, it exposes that fear in this country and i'm proud to speak up and i'm proud of my scholarship and i encourage everybody, whatever privilege they have to use this privilege to speak up. these are the times to silence palestinians and other voices who speak up against the genocide in gaza, it's only going to make us louder and stronger. >> thank you both, i appreciate you both sharing your insight this evening. thank you. switching gears, alarmingly report on why black women face the biggest risk of death during childbirth in the united states. united states oh yeah man, horsepower keeps you going, but torque gets you going. ♪ ♪ [ engine revving ] oh now we're torquin'! - i love car puns! oh, i know. pppp-powershot! 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>> thank you for having me, i'm excited to be on here with kimberly, i use the statistic that even with my harvard undergrad and my degrees, as a black woman and i am several times more likely to die of childbirth complications than a white woman with a high school education. that is how deeply embedded systemic racism is in this country and i'm so glad the commonwealth research report exposed what the solutions are that we need, there are other high income countries that have you know more midwives and have paid family leave and so when i was giving birth to my children, i was so worried, i was scared because of those statistics because i knew that i profession, my level of education, i income, was not protective. >> kimberly, you cofounded kindred space, addressing the black maternal health crisis, can you talk about why postpartum care is actually so important and why it is being overlooked, nearly 2 out of three maternal deaths and the u.s. occurred during the postpartum period up to 42 days after birth. >> right, well thank you for having me here and thank you dr. blackstock for inviting me as well and thank you for talking about postpartum care because i think that people only about complications that can happen with pregnancy and in birth, but as soon as you give birth to a baby you are in your postpartum, and complications can happen immediately in the postpartum or further out when the patient has already been discharged and are at home. and one of the reasons why these complications are so problematic is because we don't have a very good structure in this country to take care of women postpartum, most people will be seen one time by their physician at about six weeks postpartum and unfortunately between birth and six weeks postpartum, there are many things that can arise including preeclampsia, that can present itself in the postpartum period as well as hemorrhaging, that can happen in the immediate postpartum but can also happen when a patient is already home and if she doesn't have access to care, she could die and that is what is happening, and i've kindred space l.a., one of the things that we have done is to make sure that we had frequent check ins with our clients and we are able to do that because we are not following the insurance company's motto that says we are only going to pay for one visit, and this is part of the reason people don't get seymour often is because folks aren't able to get paid for seeing patients more frequently. >> let me pick up on that, dr. blackstock. what do you see as other core factors contributing to this lack maternal health crisis. there's a variety of issues that we have identified among them shortages in ob/gyn's but the broader usl care system where it's not accessible or guaranteed by any means, the commonwealth fund report mentions all high income countries it reviewed the sides the u.s. mandate at least 14 weeks of paid maternity leave from work, so it seems to be a total problem on many levels, is that correct? >> yeah these are systemic issues, policies we know that other high income countries have, and even the fact that kimberly mentioned, the presence of midwives, a lot of people in the u.s., even myself as a physician, i didn't know about the midwife in the child birthing process, i didn't understand that midwives follow birthing people through the entire lifecycle so this is what i did not learn in medical school in the u.s., the birthing process is very medical eyes and that's because of historical policies that pushed out midwives and centered care on physicians and the more physicians that are involved in the process, the more complications can arise, the more c-sections are likely to happen or other types of invasive procedures, so we need to look toward other countries and see how other countries are having a safer process, as kimberly mentioned, the postpartum support, i only had one single postpartum visit after i gave birth to both my children. that's not enough, we know most of those deaths happen in the postpartum period and for the states that need to expand medicaid, it needs to happen and it needs to be able to cover or than a year postpartum so that birthing people are supported. >> kimberly, i know we were talking about the systemic problems but what do you think needs to be done in order to address and bring an end to this crisis, what is your vision for the kind of healthcare system we currently need and what changes need to be enacted that we can do in the short term to bring the rates down as quickly as possible? >> that's such a great question and i'm all about solutions, for me, it was for me to become a midwife, i had midwives for the birth of my children and i knew the care was much more than i was experiencing in mainstream healthcare and to that end, we need more models such as what we have in california, martin luther king community hospital in south l.a. is a great model, they are it with free lead and they take medi-cal and they are accessible and they have wonderful quality care, collaborative care and they are always under threat for closure, again back to the problem of proper insurance reimbursement, even though their outcomes are excellent, at the top of their game for california, the c-section rate is very low, they have problems staying open because the midwifery model isn't well integrated into the insurance system and they are running at a deficit every year, so they resented solutions, the policymakers need to work with these hospitals and keep this care available to people. >> dr. blackstock, final five, we are at a point where we are seeing abortion bans being enacted right now how do you see these crises intersect at some point? >> absolutely, ayman, this is a racial justice issue, the fact that we have these restrictive abortion policies, especially in states where there are already high mortality rates, there already are maternity deserts, meaning there are not enough maternal providers and, we know and a lot of these states, disproportionately people of color are the ones that are seeking abortions, so we need to make sure that we don't see worse rates as a result of these policies and that is something that i know a lot of reproductive justice groups are working on. >> very important conversation, we've got to do something about it in this country. it is just unacceptable. thank you so much to the both of you. after the break, congressman byron donalds, and dan bishop battle it out for our worst of the week title. t known er, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer, fda-approved for 17 types of cancer. one of those cancers is advanced nonsquamous, non-small cell lung cancer, where keytruda is approved to be used with certain chemotherapies as your first treatment if you do not have an abnormal “egfr” or “alk” gene. keytruda can cause your immune system to attack healthy parts of your body during or after treatment. this may be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have cough, shortness of breath, chest pain, diarrhea, severe stomach pain, severe nausea or vomiting, headache, light sensitivity, eye problems, irregular heartbeat, extreme tiredness, constipation, dizziness or fainting, changes in appetite, thirst, or urine, confusion, memory problems, muscle pain or weakness, fever, rash, itching, or flushing. there may be other side effects. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions, including immune system problems, if you've had or plan to have an organ, tissue, or stem cell transplant, received chest radiation or have a nervous system problem. depending on the type of cancer, keytruda may be used alone or in combination with other treatments, and is also being studied in hundreds of clinical trials exploring ways to treat even more types of cancer. it's tru. keytruda from merck. see all the types of cancer keytruda is known for at keytruda.com and ask your doctor if keytruda could be right for you. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. ♪ [suspenseful music] trains. 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>> you put up a tough choice, but i'm going to have to go with byron donalds, just for the sheer historiography of what he said like don't get me wrong, both of them are wrong in their framing of this, the ship tried to claim that having a tough jury pool like trump supposedly did in manhattan for his hush money trial is the same as segregation alabama, that's bad, what donalds said was making no sense especially the part that killed me was when he suggested during jim crow, black voters voted more conservatively when a huge part of jim crow was disenfranchising black people from voting at all. so, yeah, i will give it to donalds, because of just how little sense what he said makes. >> who is your pick? >> i will respectfully disagree with my friend hayes, and i agree with this, both are bad, both are despicable but i think donalds made a mistake like i think he could take back what he said. i think he wishes he could take it back because it was stupid to reference jim crow, part of what he was getting at was the rise in out of wedlock births among blacks in america, that's a legitimate interesting discussion but he didn't do that and he threw in jim crow and it just messed up and made everything he said wrong. ayman, bishop meant what he said and in essence, what did bishop say? he said donald trump is being treated every bit as poorly as black americans when black americans were discriminated against, segregated against, lynched and killed and institutional racism and our justice system. he meant it, bishop meant it, and that is atrocious to compared donald trump to that. >> very valid points there, joe, on the meaning of both, let me play for you donalds was on with joy reed, let me play for both of you what he said, listen. >> if a black man, a black father could not protect his wife, his son, or himself from lynching and violence, how is him being in the home team that that is an era that was better for the black family or that we should think of is a good thing. >> first of all joy, i never said it was better for black people in jim crow, i have never said that and my own words say that. >> so, it's remarkable, again, he is still denying that he said black families were better off even though we have the tape . he is the one that invoked jim crow and to joe's point, you know, he could've said the 40s and 50s if he wanted to make an observation of the social behavior at the time but he decided to invoke jim crow as the reference point, you can talk about the economy and the issues but he decided to use jim crow as the contextual framework for the point that he was trying to make. >> absolutely, and he was trying to put it in the framework, to joe's point, i get that you may believe that donalds was misspeaking when he said jim crow, i take issue with the broader points that he was making as well, the idea that it was specifically johnson and welfare movements to try and help people. part of the reason why there was so much backlash against the welfare programs was because even though they helped white people a lot, there was a movement amongst the right to try and cut funds to welfare programs by convincing white people that it only helped black americans. there were so many things that were happening, divorce rates went up across the board, you have issues dealing with the way that even like the union worked and the way that employment worked in america, the way that you saw the rise of the war on drugs and that breaking up the black family, there are so many points that could have been brought in but donalds did none of that and he leaned on the idea that he leaned on the idea that things were better before. >> don't go anywhere, we've got a lot more to discuss and we will do a second round of worst of the week and involves a guy named, well, we will tell you about it after the break, stay t with us. non-small cell lung cancer. keytruda may be used with certain chemotherapies before surgery when you have early-stage lung cancer, which can be removed by surgery, and then continued alone after surgery to help prevent your lung cancer from coming back. keytruda can cause your immune system to attack healthy parts of your body during or after treatment. this may be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have cough, shortness of breath, chest pain, diarrhea, severe stomach pain, severe nausea or vomiting, headache, light sensitivity, eye problems, irregular heartbeat, extreme tiredness, constipation, dizziness or fainting, changes in appetite, thirst, or urine, confusion, memory problems, muscle pain or weakness, fever, rash, itching, or flushing. there may be other side effects. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions, including immune system problems, if you've had or plan to have an organ, tissue, or stem cell transplant, received chest radiation or have a nervous system problem. keytruda is an immunotherapy and is also being studied in hundreds of clinical trials exploring ways to treat even more types of cancer. it's tru. keytruda from merck. see all the types of cancer keytruda is known for at keytruda.com and ask your doctor if keytruda could be right for you. these days everyone is staring at screens, and watching their spending. good vision is more important than ever, but so is saving. that's why america's best includes a free eye exam when you buy two pairs of glasses for just $79.95. book an exam online today. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. and it could strike at any time. think you're not at risk? 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>> man, some hard-hitting stuff right there from dr. phil, my panel is back, joe, i'll start with you, dr. phil fancies himself an expert on mental health and yet he thinks trump is thick-skinned and isn't needy and does not need to be loved, did he get his degree from trump university, that is my question. >> i will avoid the question and i'll just say this, it is impossible, i mean impossible, to conduct a more sycophantic adoring, on your knees, cultish, interview than that. i mean, and, in your earlier clip, dr. phil said, i don't engage in politics. bull crap, that's exactly what he did, he got down on his knees to make donald trump look good. that was pathetic. >> hayes, this was dr. phil going on cnn and i kid you not, he thinks he made progress with convincing trump not to go after his political enemies, watch. >> i think i really made some headway with him that that is not the way to go. i think it's a process, i think he will turn this over and over in his mind and i don't think he will do that. >> i mean, who is this guy kidding? >> it's wild to say that. on several levels. first on the idea that he could get through to trump at all it was supposedly just an interview talking to trump and the idea that in talking to him, he is now less inclined to go after his political enemies, he has said he wanted to do it, we should believe him when he said he wants to go after his political enemies and it downplays, it self aggrandizing him, dr. phil thing i know he said it but i really think i got through to him also, it's funny how many times people who have interviewed trump have tried to be like okay but you don't really want to go after people to you and trump like no i really do. i really do. no, but no, yes, i promise i do and i really think we have to believe him. >> joe, i've got one more contender, alex jones, the far right conspiracy theorist has agreed to liquidate his assets in order to finally start paying the $1.5 billion he owes in damages to the families of the sandy hook victims who he spread lies about, too little too late? is this important? >> too little too late, he's trash, i've got to get back to this, hayes said it, look, this is fascism, trump is saying over and over and over, if he is elected he will go after his political enemies, this is fascism and it's embarrassing and dangerous that dr. phil and as hayes said, all of trump's media cheerleaders are trying to talk him off of this, we have to put a spotlight on it. >> how do you explain phil coming out of nowhere trying to get on this action? >> i think he has a new show to promote. we are talking about it. we would not be talking about dr. phil's new show if he had not done something as wild as ring on trump and say i got through to him on not going after his political enemies. tune in next week to see who else i can rehabilitate. unfortunately, it has worked, we're talking about it but only thankfully the context of, why it was such a bad idea. >> was in a bad idea to have him as worst of the week? >> not at all because ayman, it's a serious point, the serious point is trump is threatening to go after his enemies so use the joke that is dr. phil and all the others trying to get him off of it. >> i'm not trying to belittle the situation because we laugh during worst of the week, i'm trying to say, listen this guy is influential. millions of people watching, trump goes on his show and then just says blatantly that he's going to go after his political enemies and that is dangerous. thank you to the both of you, greatly appreciate it as always and thank you for making time for us at home. join us tomorrow night 7:00 eastern on msnbc, more all-out over the support for israel, major harrison man will join us to talk about his decision to resign from the u.s. army in test over the biden administration's policies in gaza. have a good night. diabetes can serve up a lot of questions. like what is your glucose and can you have more carbs? 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the fact that, you know, he had already been charged with the first four women found at gilgo beach his attorneys have been arguing, well, these other victims were mutilated and the ones that gilgo beach have not been in mutilated. so it doesn't fit the mo it's gotta be somebody else. and of course, that's the best defense they have keep hoping and pretending it's somebody else who did this but now that we have a document found on heuermann's computer, which details exactly what he did and learning from those mistakes, like use thicker rope remember to dispose of gloves, remember to check your tire tracks. the thing about the push pins with the drop cloths. >> this really kind of lays out for us how these women may have died. >> perhaps it was in his own home. and the fact that he tried to get rid of these documents and that they were still found on the computer memory is really going to be in connection with the dna. a kind of nail in the coffin for this
been mutilated. so it doesn't fit the mo it's got to be somebody else. and of course, that's the best defense they have keep hoping and pretending it's somebody else who did this but now that we have a document found on heuermann's computer, which details exactly what he did and learning from those mistakes, like use thicker rope remember to dispose of gloves, remember to check your tire tracks. the thing about the push pins with the drop cloths. >> this really kind of lays out for us how these women may have died. >> perhaps it was in his own home. and the fact that he tried to get rid of these documents and that they were still found on the computer memory is really going to be in connection with the dna. a kind of nail in the coffin for this yeah. >> i can overcome. that's what i was going to say in the dna is just so definitive here. >> he's still maintaining his innocence. >> of course how is this though
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