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affected the tape and that there s been so movement at the top with the fight for those coveted european spots entering its final stage leverkusen missed their chance this weekend hoffenheim moved up and dortmund are in the mix to stuttgart frankfurt and lights could take a europa league spot. michel i really need to ask you about leipzig now they re drafting points behind the champions league place just how much of a disappointment has this. season been for them if you see the if you see that the game on sunday is like very disappointing for them their loss against mines and never expected but. so many games they lost games smaller teams and that makes everything s very difficult for them well tom what do you think you need to do if they want to get back to where they were at the end of last season for example well i mean like we said this season is going to be a disappointment for them what s especially bad is that they ve had this run of form towards the end of the season and that s probably what s going to stick in the memory they have lost games just more teams but they ve also been by munich. and i mean they should be wanting to get back to where they were at the end of last season it s right to have those great ambitions but it s also worth remembering that sixth place in the business and he gave if if they stay as they are placed on the table now isn t easy that is an achievement will be a great season for them too of course the second year in a but as leaders actually and they have to desire for it doesn t forget that they re actually are they going to put this. hold it there because we need to look at the other end of the table because of course everybody this weekend was looking at that relegation battle so there was a lot of movement of course cologne we already know they are now going down hamburg freiburg might look at that there s not much of a difference it s incredible is that really exciting down there i ll ask you that s victory was a massive result your mind they rested themselves i think they need another win. but you know the last. thirty four days after playing. against cologne could be a last game victory for cologne but i think they need a win to be safe for next year first wellness leader well you mentioned cologne of course and as we mentioned already their fate was sealed and it s been a disastrous season absolutely appalling but the atmosphere is incredibly positive remarkably now the last time they were relegated back in two thousand and twelve they re fine. well match was marred by some we ll call it unsavory images like we re seeing here now on the screen so this year this year seems rather more positive tomba why this change from those also images from you know not long ago really. well i mean it would be pointed out it doesn t take many fans to create a scene not that through cologne fans do also suffer from the reputation of the cologne fans on that they would loudly protesting against you know those who tried to storm on to the pitch etc. is definite you are that the atmosphere at the moment is a lot more positive now colognes season really went off the rails very very early it was the it was the start of the season the first seventeen games really consigned to relegation since then they ve been fighting and the fans are getting used to seeing team whom crying on the pitch since rutenberg came back he s brought a lot of passion john to his just on another contract and says he s going to stay with a club in the second division. one so they can see that really fighting a fight in the nosiness fighting and briefly want to bring in hamburg michel you live in hamburg now can they really pull off another great escape. it seems like that in a moment but there s still two games to go and for a hamburg. they want it but my part we don t want them and you don t want i don t want to know any more than you think we re going to do i mean if there s any club that you wouldn t put it past it s probably hamburg. it wasn t and so it wasn t until the very last march they last season that they got themselves out of the relegation play off place like you said there s not many points between all of those teams down to the bottom at the moment a couple of games to play anything can happen i mean it would be it will be incredible because once he. goes he s going to make so i think over the weeks coming up but that s full time for the bundesliga so i d like to thank our guests this week of course the wonderful michelle the wonderful tongan our very own from here. for me and the rest of the team here in berlin and. well maybe you will history and heritage. this in young absolutely needs to is a city with many faces. been to the cultural reaches of the city and its romantic surroundings. one hundred castles and palaces. the best way to do a trip to the countryside is by by. sixteen. my endorsements shoka leipzig because a favorite scene mostly got all the best goals we ve got all the 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on the border detention centers to try and find some answers. now, every president, every party has left their fingerprints on the state of our immigration system today. the reagan administration s amnesty policy drew widespread backlash and still gives some nservatives pause today. the bush administration had its faults. the administration struggled to handle a spike in migrations amid mass deportations. but at the moment, the current administration is separating families from their children at our bor with mexico, not because of a law, but because this administration has chosen to do so. so far despite nearly 2000 children being separated from their families, what s missing from this story are a flood of images of these young children. it was images of children, after all, that spurred the president to change course in syria. so far, this young toddler has become the face of this policy. stop and look at her for just a moment. and remember that there are thousands thousands of other faces that we have not seen. that s, in part, because cameras have been granted such limited access to the facilities where these children are being held. let s go live now to msnbc s jacob soboroff in texas. jacob, you have been one of the few journalists to see the facilities where migrant children are being held. tell us what it is that we can t see. reporter: so, kasie, this building behind me is nondescript, but probably the epicenter of the entire conversation we are having. this is the border patrol central processing center called ursula. inside are 1200 detainees and more young children have been separated from their parents inside that building as their parents leave the building and anywhere else along the southern border, and that is because this sector, the rio grand valley, sees more apprehensions, more people trying to cross illegally than anywhere else. and inside this building today, we got inside with another group of journalists for the first time. and what we saw, frankly, is a shocking as everything else that we have been seeing. and i want to be really clear, what s happening inside that building in terms of people being detained inside cages by the way, we weren t allowed to take cameras in, but we were given photos from customs and border protection. people have been detained inside this building for a long time. this is the first time since this is the first time ever that children have been separated on a systematic basis. look at those photos right there. from their parents and that is because of the trump administration. people are locked up in cages, essentially what look like animal kennels. i don t know any other way to describe it. strangely the washington post gave senator jeff merkley what they call three pinocchios for saying kids were locked up in cages here. that is exactly what i saw today. what s different than what is going on in this building than the obama administration is the systematic separation of children from their parents under zero tolerance policy. in this sector alone, there have been over 1100 kids separated from their parents since the policy began. we know 2000 since early april across the entire southern border so it s a massive amount coming out of here. in this building, what happens is parents get ready to leave the building and they don t know if they re going to i.c.e. family detention with their children or if they get to bring their children with them or if they re going to the courthouse to get charged. ultimately they are given a piece of paper, they re taken to the courthouse, their children are left behind here, and they don t know when they are going to see their children ever again frankly. i don t think that, you know, they re supposed to call this phone number and figure out the details and that s something that is supposed to get explained to them, but there is a big mess going on right now. even the border patrol inside this building says they re overstaffed, they don t have enough resources. the system is getting stressed out because the trump administration decided to put this into place and the consequence really haven t been worked out. the biggest consequence of all is thousands of young children in a way that has never been done before, taken from their parents. and when you hear the trump administration say this has been done before, this is democrat policy, this is not unusual, that s b.s. frankly. jacob, were you able to talk to any of the children in the facility or get a sense for what it was like for them? and how, how quickly is there any warning for these people? you said they re just handed a piece of paper. what dictates what s on that piece of paper? is it i m stuck on this idea of how terrified people must be walking up to receive whatever piece of information is going to tell them, whether or not they re going to be allowed to stay with their kids. yeah, there was a mother in tears there today as a group of journalists came around r. we were asked not to talk to people inside. without the permission of border patrol. there were a couple we were sabl to talk to. the idea is by court order they have to be out of here within 72 hours. and because it s sort of a hodgepodge of rules and regulations coming together, right now they re trying to get people out of this facility as fast as possible. if the parents are going to be charged, they try to get them they re trying to get them over to federal court as fast as possible. they re trying to get the kids out of here as fast as possible into facilities run by health and human services. but these scenarios are coming up that we re finding out about where a parent, for instance, might be charged. by the way, the trump administration, again, wants to charge 100% of the people that come into this country illegally. right now in this sector they re saying that number and the separations are around 40% with the goal of charging everybody. there are scenarios where a parent might leave, go to the federal court house, be charged and sentenced with time served, come back to this building behind me and their kids are already gone and they re already into the h.h.s. system and they don t know how to find their child and they don t know when they re going to find their child and they don t know where to find their child. so, there are these inconsistencies in the way this is all playing out that s just making these terribly painful and irrational situations that seem like they could be put together in a way that just frankly makes more sense. jacob soboroff live in texas. thank you so much for spending your fathers day to bring us this story here. great reporting and i m sure we ll talk to you again soon. i want to welcome my panel here with me on-set. the founding president and msnbc contributor teresa kumar. washington post and msnbc analyst philip rucker and ken dilanian. teresa kumar, i want to start with you with the story we started off with jacob. there has been a lot of d dissembling from trump administration officials. as lanyndsay said, the trump with a phone call.ld stop this this is a decision formulated when john kelly was head of d.h.s. he threw it out there and then it tuck and sessions literally put it into play in may. this is something he cannot only do overnight, but let s look at mitch mcconnell and at paul ryan. they also have a legislative calendar they can control. there are two pieces of legislation right now they can say they could end it today. there is something we need to underscore. 90% of these individuals right now that are being charged, they re being charged with a misdemeanor. in april, the supreme court ruled that immigrants can be held indefinitely without bail, so it not only is it messy, but it s almost a lining to ensure these individuals are incarcerated for adds long as possible and they re doing it for misdemeanors that do not make sense. the extent of the cruelty is unimaginable. they have also been reporting that in san diego, even siblings have been separated and they can only see each other once a week. there is no rhyme or reason for what s happening. what we are experiencing right now at the border is not normal immigration pattern, it is not for economic reasons. these are refugees. i would like to remind the american people we set the standard. we crafted the human rights laws the rest of the world practice. the u.n. said what we are doing to children is in violation of their rights. philip cker, what is going on behind the scenes at the white house? on the one hand you have officials like jeff sessions g out there being very clear, the president is blaming democrats which is not true. very important, not true. hr administration policy they can stop with a single phone call. melania trump is saying we have to have policies with heart, quote-unquote. you can see her statement there. she said we need to have a country that follows all laws but governs with heart. where is the president on this and whether this should continue? well, this weekend it s become a real political crisis as well as a humanitarian crisis that threatens to spiral out of control for the president. he said friday he talked to reporters friday on the north lawn of the white house and said he doesn t like the policy of separating children from their parents and he blamed it on democrats. that s not true. it s not the democrats fault as we have said. and the white house is grappling with over the weekend how to deal with it and they don an easy answer for it. kellyanne conway, counselor to the president, really struggled on meet the press earlier this morning to defend this policy. she said as a catholic, as a mother she doesn t like to see what s happening there. we are hearing more and more about what s happening inside those detention centers like with jacob s report. my colleagues at the post had a story this weekend about a young girl separated from her parents in tears, very emotional about it, and the workers, relief workers inside the detention facilities are prohibited from counseling i read that. it s heart breaking. they re not allowed to hug them, comfortem. this is a real problem for the white house to deal with. and we have tuesday, the president planning to go up to capitol hill to meet with republican lawmakers there to try to come up with some sort of legislative solution. but he wants more than just a fix for this particular policy. he wants funding for that border wall. ken dilanian, the other piece of this, a couple pieces, the homeland security secretary kristen nielsen has reportedly been very frustrated with this behind the scenes, but of course in public we showed her tweet earlier where she says we don t have a policy of doing this yet they are doing it. also, frankly, the facilities our law enforcement is going to get overwhelmed pretty quickly by the sheer numbers. and what she meant is that it s not their policy to separate kids. it s their policy to have a zero tolerance policy against immigrants and to arrest everybody crossing illegally. you know what, there are a lot of people in the trump base that support that. it is true most countries around the world have a much less generous policy than we do. there is a reason they re not stopping in mexico, they re going to our border. but most americans are not on board with this cruel and punitive policy that stems from current law of removing these children. if that s the only way you can arrest everybody, then you just can t do it. that s what kiersten kneel son has been saying behind t scenes. joining me to talk about it tom cole of oklahoma. congressman, it s good to see you tonight. thank you, kasie. thank you for being here. i want to show you some of the remarks that your colleagues, republican colleagues in the congress have had to say about this topic we ve been discussing, separation of children from their families at the border. first paul ryan, the house speaker, and then senator lindsey graham. take a look and we ll talk about it. are you comfortable with the current zero tolerance policy leading to parents and children being separated at the border? no, i m not. this is because our court ruling. mr. speaker, on that point, this is actually a policy change from the trump administration for zero tolerance and there is also a court ruling involved. this is something we think should be religious leaders have come out and said this is inhumane. do you agree? we don t want kids to be separated from their parents. president trump could stop this policy with a phone call. if you don t like families being separated, you can tell d.h.s. stop doing it. congressman, should the president make that phone call and stop this policy? well, i certainly think we shouldn t be separating young children from their nts. but frankly, in this case, if you want asylum, you can go to any embassy in any country and seek it. we ll adjudicate it there. you can come to a port of entry and it will be dealt with there. again, you wouldn t be separated from your children. if you cross the border illegally, you run that risk. frankly we have surges like this. we had them during the obama years. we had hundreds of young children held in my district at fort seal, oklahoma, ranging from ages 8 to 14. the obama administration, sir, they specifically grappled with this question about whether to separate children from their families, and they decided not to do it and that s how we ended up with many of these family detention centers. milwaukee i, ka esie, that s not exactly true. when i m looking at an 8-year-old child in my district, ey weren with their parents. they may have been separated because they traveled alone or traveled in a group or with somebody else. so a lot of these cases are not actually involving a separation of the parents. it s a dangerous thing and discouraging people from traveling thousands of miles where they can be exploited and preyed upon and where they run great physical risk is the right thing to be doing. now, if we re going to have hopefully an opportunity this week to address this legislatively and fix it, i agree with speaker ryan. this is not a policy we want to pursue. but i have a lot of sympathy with border agents confronted with thousands of people and don t have any easy recourse as to what to do with them. again, we ve housed children for a lot of years. i ve seen it myself under multiple administrations when we get these summer surges. well, at the same time, i take your point but i do think it is very distinct and different to have unaccompanied minors crossing the border by themselves than to have people arriving at these detention centers. you mentioned legislation, though, comprehensive or if not comprehensive, then certainly more seping immigration legislation has failed time and time and time again in the congress, trying to grapple with so many of these issues all at once. if, in fact, this compromise legislation that you all have talked about fails to pass the house, would you support a narrow immigration proposal to end this separation of families at the border? iwould. i m not for separating young children from their families. but again, you have to understand that the sheer scope of what we re grappling with. and frankly, i would hope people that are concerned about this would make sure our borders are more secure and that we follow the president s four pillars which i still think are the most sensible ways of dealing with problems we have. in terms of comprehensive legislation that s probably not going to happen. i much prefer dealing with things in several pieces of legislation. i think we ll have that opportunity this week. i hope our friends on the other side of the aisle help us and i hope republicans, again, are supportive of what the president is trying to do in terms of securing the border. the president hasn t been 100% clear on this compromise bill. it s been quite muddy over the past few days. is your understanding that he would sign this compromise legislation if it were to pass? that s my understanding. and i get your point that i was confused myself on friday, but i think the president gave an impromptu press conference and may not have understood the question. frankly he s been pretty busy guy between north korea and the g7 summit so he may not have been fully briefed. but he s going to come and visit with us on tuesday and i think we ll have opportunity to see where he s at. it s my understanding he would support either of the two pieces of legislation that speaker ryan is planning to present to the house. ag idea we can solve it in the house in a day, not true. anything we do has to go through the senate, has to be solved or signed by the president. so, if you want to deal with something, it needs to be bipartisan and you need to have both chambers and the executive branch on the same page. given that, the time it takes to do this, do you think the president should make that this phone call and stop family separations until you can take action i do. i am not for family separations under any circumstances. but i m also not for catch and release. that is, i wouldn t just release the population either. frankly, we re on the verge of being overwhelmed on on the border. we ve had this before. we were overwhelmed when president obama was there. as i said, we ve had lots of centers with young children, eight years and younger in some cases, on their own. it s not a good situation. i would hope parents don t put their children in that situation, but certainly if the rent is there, the child is better off with the parent. congressman cole, thank you very much for coming on to play ball with us tonight. appreciate it. i ll see you on the hill later on this week. thanks. thanks. teresakumar, your reaction to what the congressman said. if you recall, vice-president biden went down to mexico and actually crafted something with the mexican government saying, how can we actually prevent this? we saw the research coming. they were working closely with the mexican authorities. we are so on the wrong side with the mexican government. the mexican government is not cooperating it isn t necessarily people from mexico it was part of that migration. they were basically providing different place s to stop and provide people relief. the challenge, though and i think this is what the american people have to recognize if you are a mother or father and you are traversing literally three to four countries to get to the border, how terrible is your situation? it must be so terrible that you actually are willing toisk your life. when he s mentioning to your point, kasie, he said when he is mentioning that you found a lot of unaccompanied minors by themselves, that s because an 8-year-old was put on a bus and said go that way because it s unsafe here. and it is a much different situation. absolutely. which the congressman acknowledges. the overall picture, this mass migration to the united states, we are at net neutral. these are not your common immigrant. they are refugees, they are fleeing violence, fleeing desperation. much more on this conversation as the night continues. coming up, paul manafort is behind bars as pressure mounts on michael cohen and roger stone. we ll have the latest developments out of the russia investigation. and later, my interview with senate candidate cory stewart who stunned virginia with his comments and his primary victory. but first, it was another whiplash week in washington. kasie d.c. back after this. two motorcycles, a boat, and an r.v. i would not want to pay that insurance bill. 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through crowd sourcing on t theenthe internet, no, it was hang ng on the wall of the sports bar at doral. how is it built? why now, what are the things that to you seem most significant about the case they build here? this is the result of a 20-month investigation that began during 2016 as a result of some stories that we did, and they used they looked at e-mails, did depositions, they built this case showing that donald trump had misused his charitable foundation, this foundation that had supposed to be tax exempt. that s the kind of core of this. right. the basic idea of this is that once you create a tax-exempt foundation, you get tax benefits for putting money in there. it s not a pocket or wallet, a checkbook with your name on t. it s supposed to have independent directors, spend money for charitable good. trump never grasped that. even though that is the basic idea of charity law, he always used this foundation as basically just another checkbook where he could use it to write checks for things that he wanted. so as you said earlier, he used it several times to settle debts that his for-profit businesses had and paid as part of the settlement. he would use his foundation to save his businesses money. in the 2016 campaign, turned his foundation basically into an arm of his campaign. phil rucker, how is this playing in the white house? the president has said any attempts to go after his businesses are a bright red line. he s fought with democrats and new york politics for a long time. well, and it dates back to the campaign and david s great reporting during the campaign and the attitude inside the white house is trump won the election so nothing that had to do with the campaign doesn t matter any more. so all the issues with the women and porn stars and so forth is that s old news. it s not something we need to engage in. clearly trump is bothered by it. that s why we saw the tweets on friday or thursday, whatever day that was in reaction to the lawsuit. but i think in terms of the operations of the white house they re not that concerned with it and they re hoping that it will be sort of a nuisance that plays out on the side. ken dilanian, what s your sense of this? is there any piece of it in particular you think might have lasting impact? what i wonder, maybe david knows the answer to this, does anyone have any criminal exposure to this? this seems so blatant to charity law. when does it rise to the level of you go to jail? they do not have under statute to bring criminal charges for misuse of a charity. when they put up this lawsuit, they sent referrals to the irs and federal election commission both of which have that authority to bring criminal charges. one of the most interesting parts of this lawsuit was the language they use to describe trump s own conduct which was it was willful and knowing. he violated the laws in a willful and knowing manner. that is important because to prove a criminal charge in tax law, you have to prove that the defendant actually knew what the law was and violated it anyway. willfulness is the standard and to use the word willful is the indication that the new york a.g. thinks this might be criminal conduct and is sort of nudging others to follow it in that way. if the president is not going to settle the case, what are the options? it s funny he said that because he actually has settled parts of this case already. if you look through the lawsuit, a lost charges he s already said, yeah, i did that, i ll pay the money back and i ll pay a penalty tax on top of t. there is more they have accused him of that he doesn t want to settle on. there will be a lawsuit. he could be forced by a judge to pay millions of dollars in repayments and penalty taxes. he could also be banned from leading any nonprofit in new york state for ten years. so, the guy who is the leader of the free world wouldn t be able to be on the board of the staten island little league. good way to put it. the next consequence is after this new york a.g. case will be the irs. do they pursue something civilly against him, do they fine him, make him pay penalties, or is there a criminal charge down the road. david farenthold, thank you so much. great reporting as always. keep us posted. philip rucker, ken dilanian, thank you both as well. thanks, kasie. when we come back, states of play. corey stewart with controversial comments to say the least takes on tim kaine in virginia. in a state that s shown resistance to the president, does stewart stand a chance? 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[laughing] what year is as long as stuff gets lost in the couch, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. in the president s good graces. on tuesday corey stewart became the republican nominee to face-off against democratic senator tim kaine. he gained national attention not only for his role on the trump campaign where he was let go for staging a protest at the rnc headquarters but his hard line stance on immigration in virginia. but trump took to twitter tuesday to congratulate stewart and say, quote, don t under estimate corey. corey stewart is on-set with me here now. thank you for taking the time to be on the show. i want to start bysking you about the republican party here in washington. senator corey gardener that ones the national senatorial committee said they will not endorse you, not back you, not give you money. why do you think that is? i beat their guy. they took their best shot at me, but, you know, they spent a lot of money on my race trying to knock me off. they ve been at me a long time. i ve been a strong supporter of the president. but they re going to come around and they re going to need to see momentum in my race to show it is competitive. it will get competitive. at that point they ll come around. their guy the more moderate who you beat by a handful of percentage points has called you a racist. he said that. it s not true. you know, i don t have a racist bone in my body. why are you spending time with the organizer of the charlottesville rally? so, at that time i did not know that he was. it came out later. after we found out he was a racist, i wanted nothing else to do with him ever again. now, you know, i need all my supporters. i want people to vote for me. but at the same time, i don t control what s in their hearts and minds. i only control what s in my heart and my mind. and i don t have a racist bone in my body and ts t s hard for people to believe that when they see you sitting with someone like that. well, you know, you meet all kinds of people in politics, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. you don t do a background check on all the people you meet with. paul, for example, when i complimented him he was the one running in was which is for paul ryan s seat, totally anti-semitic. when he ran in wisconsin against paul ryan, there were other conservatives supporting him who said nice things about him including the president you called him your personal hero. ann coulter. but afterward and i did say those nice things about him. afterward he came out, kind of lost his marbles and came out with anti-semitic comments and i disavowed him and others did. you have a hard line on immigration as well. do you think president shld be separating children from their families at the border? i don t think president trump is separating the trump administration policy. they changed the policy. he could reverse it as lindsey graham conservative said. there has been a law since president obama. i think it s the right policy. the fact is we do have to enforce the law, however, otherwise we ll have another humanitarian crisis at the border like we did a few years ago. a lot of those children came into my county. i know everything about it. we don t want to have that happen. we have to send the signal to everybody else south of the border that if you come to the united states, illegally, you re going to get arrested and yes, your children will be temporarily separated from you. as soon as you go back home how is that in the best interest of the children? how is that we have to have the question, though, is really what is in the best interest of the united states. that s our that s more important than these children? absolutely. the policy of the united states, immigration policy must be what s right for america. what s right for american workers, what s right for the united states. do you think that the policy of ripping these children away is a moral policy? i think it s an unavoidable policy. i think the fact is that if you come to the united states illegally and you re arrested let s be clear. these are people com here to ask for asylum which is a legal thing. they can, they have a legal pathway to apply for asylum. they have made months long journeys, sometimes with small children. they are crossing in places you aren t supposed to stop. you don t see that as you can apply for asylum. you don t have to come to the united states to apply for asylum. if you cross the border illegally, the president has made it clear he s going to enforce the law. he s going to arrest the adults. that i believe in the end, it sounds terrible, but in the end it is terrible. nobody wants to see children nobody wants to see that. not conservatives, not liberals, nobody wants to see children separated from their parents. no question about that. we re in a tough position. if you don t enforce the law you will have a humanitarian crisis again of much greater magnitude than we have now. you have to enforce the law or across the border, more children without parents. you lost to ed gillespie who is governor who went on to he used racially tinged adds, highlighting ms13, immigrants were going to come out to get you. he tried to run on that in a statewide race and he lost. i think we can show you a little piece of that ad. ms13 appears to be surging again. the ms13 gang lured the victim into a fairfax county park, stabbed him repeatedly. committing violent and brutal crimes. ms13 is a menace. ralph northam voted in favor of sanctuary cities that allowed dangerous immigrants back on the street increasing the threat of ms-13. ralph northam s policies are dangerous. i m ed gillespie candidate for governor and i support this ad for a safer, stronger virginia. he used this campaign and lost in statewide virginia. what makes you think you can win? i think that ad was correct. i didn t support everything ed gillespie did i didn t ask you about the accuracy of the ad. that was his strategy. this is where i m going to he can to us, hit immigration as a hot button issue as hard as i can and make people afraid and he lost. the thing is that people didn t believe ed gillespie because it was kind of a strange term for turn for him. i have been dealing with this issue for 12 years now in prince william county. i led the nation in cracking down on illegal immigration. the citizens in my community were concerned that we had a lot of illegal immigrants coming to our community. not a lot of them, but a portion of them committing crimes and they wanted us to do something about it. we have an ms-13 gang problem. 80% of ms-13 gang members are illegal immigrants. would you support a nationwide policy like you implemented in your county where police required to check the identification and immigration status of anyone they arrest? yes, we confirm 100% of everybody who is in the jail, we confirm 100% of the immigration status. if it s a person who has been arrested for a crime and has been determined to be here illegally, we hand them over to i.c.e. for deportation. it is a common sense policy that focusses in on the criminal element. by the way, more than 8100 illegal aliens since the policy was put in place, not aingle case of racial profiling, not one. you said your opponent tim kaine hates america. what is it about him that makes you think he hates america? he does not support anything the president has done. and you think you don t support the president, you don t support america? not based on that. he thinks only of himself. he s thinking only about his own left wing ideology. if you ask yourself this question, what has tim kaine ever done, what s his reported the past six years? he has president had one significant accomplishment. and now instead of supporting the president and reducing taxes, bringing back business, bringing back manufacturing, securing the border, doing all these good things, bringing peace to i think most people would argue virginia s economy has been doing well. under president trump. in part well, it was on a path to do that under president obama. in fact this area northern virginia in particular has been doing relatively well especially compared to the rest of the country. northern virginia has been shielded protected we have a lot of government here, but the rest of virginia has been suffering, and it s been suffering because we ve had aned am the obama administration that has been taxing businesses andiandic making it more difficult for businesses to come back. we have a president who has done that and you see manufacturing returning to the country in a way not since the 1950s. back to the original question, do you think tim kaine hates america? yes, when you care about yourself a lot more than the interest of the united states. i tweeted a photo shopped image of tame kaine s son who was arrested on an anti-trump protest, retweeted this image. this is misleading to voters. this never happened. this image here, senator kaine on the senate floor never happened. do you think this misleading to people who follow you? the photo of his son is real. it s a real photo of his son, not have the hammer and sickle in the original version. that is photo shopped onto a poster of tim kaine. obviously that is a clear photo shop. why would you spread that? let me ask you this, okay. his son gets arrested in minneapolis, for a riot. he s rioting in conjunction with the trump rally, there are people who are arrested and he should have been prosecuted but instead, tim kaine gets him off and he said that he loves the fact there is no evidence that tim kaine got him off. let s be obvious, clear, if that was not a powerful man s son he would have been in jail today. the thing is that tim kaine said he loves the fact that his kids are involved in politics, right after this incident. i thought that was ridiculous. says more about tim cakaine and his son. i apologize because i m saying it on father s day but it was bad parenting. one was in the united states marine corps as far as anyone hating america. corey stewart thank you for the coming. the much more on the higrant families separated at the border. i ll speak with senators about the tour they finished today of a center in south texas. two motorcycles, a boat, and an r.v. i would not want to pay that insurance bill. 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the white house press corps have had for him all week about this. he also left for bedminster this afternoon, ignoring questions once again. it s just a pattern of this white house refusing to answer for why statements made both from the president and also from his senior aides at the white house press podium have not turned out to be true, or at least they are now under question based on what we now are hearing from what michael cohen might have to say to special counsel mueller. it wouldn t be the first time that sarah sanders has had to correct herself after making statements about what the president knew and didn t know, but this time sarah sanders hasn t even been available to answer questions about this. the white house has been virtually silent. yeah. is there reporting on how the president is feeling about the latest news? reporter: well, the president has been very angry. that s what we re hearing from an administration official this week. he s been watching the coverage on television, angry with cohen for releasing the tapes, for bringing up these news stories, for hiring bill and hillary clinton s former attorney, and he s also been angry at the news media for continually asking him questions about this and not about a lot of other things that he would rather talk about. the president has been stewing about this coverage. he wants to change the subject, and he is talking to his lawyers as well, talking about legal strategies for how they cope with this. it seems, though, anderson, that the strategy they ve come up with is attack michael cohen and say nothing publicly to the media. and still no explanation from the white house why it seems like the president lied about his knowledge of any payment from ami to karen mcdougal. reporter: this is another case of the white house making statements about what the president did and did not know. senior trump officials have said the president didn t know anything about these payments. that turned out to be completely untrue based on the audiotape of the president himself talking about that payment were michael cohen before the election. but, again, here the white house refusing to talk about it. white house aides are now referring questions about this issue to the president s outside lawyers even though some of these issues involve the statements made by people who worked in the white house now or very recently. so, anderson, they re hoping that we don t continue asking questions about this. there hasn t been a white house press briefing in several days. there have only been three this month at all. they are clamping down on the opportunities that reporters get to ask both the president and also senior white house officials questions about all of these matters. abby phillip, thanks very much. needless to say, cnn s scoop on michael cohen got a lot of people talking, especially among democratic members of the house intelligence committee who believe their republican colleagues ended their investigation far too soon. earlier tonight i spoke with congressman eric swalwell of california. congressman swalwell, michael cohen testified in front of your committee back in october of last year. did he say anything that indicated the president did, in fact, know about this meeting with the russians at trump tower? good evening, anderson. michael cohen was asked by our committee about the trump tower meeting. we re not allowed to go into what he said, but i do believe this is all the reason that the republicans should release the transcripts, not just for michael cohen but every witness who was interviewed around the trump tower meeting. i will say this, though. michael cohen is being accused of being a liar, but all of the lies that he has told were on behalf of donald trump, and we have seen every day in america witnesses who come forward, testify in court, change their story because they want to tell the truth, and juries rely on that, and that is often persuasive if it can be corroborated. that s what we have to do now is to see if his testimony can be corroborated. if it turns out donald trump jr. didn t tell the truth in front of congress, should he be held in contempt? would there be any appetite from republicans obviously to do so? right now, there s no appetite from the republicans. they closed our investigation. i think this revelation shows how premature and irresponsible it was that we ended our investigation because ideally with this new information, you would bring michael cohen back, give him an opportunity to come clean, and then you d also want to confront donald trump jr. with the new information. thankfully bob mueller is able to pursue this, and that s all the more reason that his investigation should be protected. is there any reason to take cohen s word over the president s on this? i mean cohen certainly didn t make a career as the president s fixer of being guided, you know, it seems by truth and honesty? well, the tough part here is they ve all lied from the president, when he tried to clean up his son s statement and when this was revealed, to donald trump when he first told the public what this meeting was about. but in our investigation, we believe that the president did know for a number of reasons. one, he was just one floor above where this meeting took place when it took place. he had put out days before the meeting took place that new information about hillary clinton was coming. we also know that the president used a blocked number at that time, and donald trump jr., before the meeting took place, talked to the russians in a one-hour period, called the blocked number, and then talked to the russians again. and then finally, anderson, the family that asked donald trump jr. to arrange this meeting were very close to candidate trump, and it s someone that candidate trump corresponded with just days after the meeting. all the circle evidence suggests he did know. just the common sense thing of the headline from that meeting, even from the e-mail, is the russian government is supporting your campaign. if you re donald trump jr., i find it almost impossible to believe that he s not going to say to his dad, hey, guess what, i don t know if this is true or not, but we ve been told now by you know, by this prominent family and these people representing that the russian government is supporting your campaign. we re going to meet with them, or we just met with them and nothing came of it. but they said they were supporting your campaign. and, anderson, because so much of our testimony came from self-serving deniers, the people, you know, who were at the meeting and said that donald trump never knew about it, we sought to build the closeness in relationship between donald trump jr. and his father. and what we established was that donald trump jr. often relayed to his father the most minute information that was coming from the campaign. so, again, to suggest that he wouldn t bring to his father something as powerful as the russians seeking to help his campaign and hurt his opponent, it s just it doesn t add up. yeah. congressman swalwell, thanks so much. appreciate it. my pleasure. more now on the many legal implications for the president, his son, and michael cohen. joining us are carrie cordero and asha rangappa. carrie, the president has never been under oath about this. so i mean if michael cohen not only tells this to robert mueller but also has people who can corroborate it, legally speaking is there any risk for the president? well, there s risk in terms of the broader russia investigation. so a lot of times we talk about collusion. right. but what that really means if we want to translate it into the legal framework is conspiracy. and it s very clear that the mueller investigation is conducting a broad conspiracy investigation. that s what they charged the russian intelligence officers with, conspiracy to defraud the united states. and then they did the hacking and the unauthorized access to computer systems to facilitate that conspiracy. so the closer we get to either the president or his inner circle having advance knowledge of any of those activities, coordinating in any way in those activities, then the closer we get to their legal exposure in the big overall investigation. in terms of donald trump jr., if he lied to congress, there would be legal jeopardy for so they yeah, he could potentially face proceedings for, if he perjured himself in front of congress under oath. any individuals who have been interviewed certainly by the special counsel s team, even if they re not before the grand jury, but if they re interviewed by federal agents, then they have exposure on false statements. so there s a lot of exposure at that lower level. but if we re talking about the overall big investigation and major exposure both legally and of course politically if it turns out they were involved in this conspiracy in some way, that s the big, significant change. asha, just in terms of the phone calls that donald trump jr. made to the blocked phone number before and after the trump tower meeting, we don t know who was on the other line. if that was in fact donald trump on the other end of the line, would that be something that mueller s investigators would be able to find out? yes. they can subpoena those phone records and be able to see where those to whom those calls were being made, and that could corroborate the timing, for example, of michael cohen s account. and just to complement what carrie just said, from the intelligence standpoint, collusion doesn t have to be criminal to be a national security threat. she mentioned the russians were hacking information, trying to weaponize it to promote candidates to help russia. and anyone who worked with them secretly to facilitate or encourage it is colluding, whether they meet the elements for conspiracy is a different story. but i think we have to remember that there is a national security aspect to this as well as a criminal aspect. but that national security aspect, i mean that doesn t i mean that would really only come into play in terms of impeachment proceedings, wouldn t it? or are you saying that would have little emappegal implicati? well t could have legal implications. we see there are tools that are used on the intelligence side like fisas and other techniques that have a lower threshold precisely because we re looking at the security of the united states, not necessarily trying to pursue criminal charges. when what they see crosses into the criminal realm, you re going to see the indictments that mueller is bringing. but there s a whole story behind the scenes, and i think we can just look at the things that we ve seen in front of our faces that don junior happily accepted this meeting from russia offering dirt on his opponent, which is a part of their covert action. and there s a lot of colluding behavior staring us right in the face that may not ever result in charges. carrie, we also know what michael cohen has previously said in front of congress about this very issue. so if he didn t tell the truth then, there s obviously legal jeopardy for him there. he has some exposure in terms of whether he would have to go back and perhaps correct his testimony. so that s something that a witness before congress could do. they could go back and either write a letter or ask to reappear to correct their testimony. but i think the bigger picture whether or not it s michael cohen who provides this information to the special counsel s office, the more important point is whether or not it s true. right. not so much that michael cohen provides the information that donald trump knew about this meeting if, in fact, he did and the purpose of it, but whether it s true. so that goes to the bigger question of whether or not individuals in the campaign knew in advance. so if we look, for example, at the russia indictment of the russian intelligence officers, there was a date that stood out to a lot of people including myself who read it, which was july 27th, 2016. and that was the date that donald trump as a candidate had stood up and said, you know, wikileaks, i hope that you hack into e-mails, and what the indictment shows is that very day, russian intelligence officers tried to access e-mails affiliated with hillary clinton he said russia, look into the 30,000 e-mails. you ll get a lot of praise from reporters. exactly. so there were these activities that were taking place in plain sight. and what it may turn out to be is are those activities that took place in plain sight turn out to have been actual advance knowledge of things that were going on? 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woman 7: ask your rheumatologist about humira. man 1: what s your body of proof? when shakespeare wrote in the tempest that misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows, he probably did not have reagan national airport in mind. take a look at the guy on the phone ain the background at gate 35 x. that s donald trump jr., and in the foreground with the newspaper, that s robert mueller. the two apparently did not speak. but we hope our next two guests will. they are steve cortes. always good to have you. and republican strategist rick wilson, author of everything trump touches dies. how much does it dom appcomplic things that neither cohen nor the president have the best track record with the truth? well, i think the thing with cohen is he s got something that is called paper. and he s got records, and he s got documents. he s got contracts. he s got the record of the ndas that trump has had various women sign over the years. he s got a variety of things where trump went out to make deals and to get financing over the years. so there s a pile of paper on top of michael cohen s just assertion alone, and there s also phone records and there are text messages and obviously the guy records things. i m sure he screen capped tweets and texts and messages back and forth with trump. so he sought to protect himself for some time well before this. so i think it s a bad bet to say that michael cohen doesn t have things beyond just his assertion. i also think it s a bad bet to think robert mueller doesn t have those things. right. and overlaps of those things. i think we re going to end up in a situation where, you know, he said/he said. it s going to redound to the dark haired discusszy guy rather than the blond scuzzy guy. if it turns out to be true that president trump knew about this meeting ahead of time and approved it, do you see that as a big problem for the president, if for no other reason obviously he would be caught in yet another lie? right. well, hold on. i won t say yet another lie because i don t concur with your opinion that he s some sort of serial liar. well he lied about not knowing about the ami deal with karen mcdougal. we now know that. rick, you can steve rick, you can cackle, but i just reject steve but you are admitting he lied about the ami deal, not knowing about the karen mcdougal/ami deal, yeah? because we now have a tape of him talking about it seems as though. i have not heard a satisfactory explanation of that. i m not prepared to say he lied either. i m not. but this is important. i mean it really is, anderson. for you to just say matter of factly, well, the president is a serial liar and xyz, we can t proceed that way well, he lied about millions of illegal immigrants voting in california for hillary clinton, and that s why he didn t win the popular vote. he lied about and got, you know, sean spicer to lie about the crowd size. i mean those are just two demonstrably things on, what, the first day in office or second day. so it s been a litany of things since then. yeah. i not to put too fine a point on it, anderson, steve, look, brother, you are living in an entirely separate linguistic universe if you believe that donald trump does not lie out his ass every single day. he is infamous. these are not just lies of omission. these are lies of assertion. this is a guy who lies about everything constantly. here s the lie. it s not just some here s the lie. [ overlapping voices ] steve, it s not some deep conspiracy. here s the real lie. he makes factual misstatements every single day. every single day. here s the real lie. the real lie one at a time. [ overlapping voices ] steve. here s the real lie. the real lie is that russia somehow won this election for donald trump, that russia somehow convinced voters in wisconsin and ohio and michigan that they were duped somehow into voting for donald trump. that is the actual grand lie that is being told in washington, d.c. and in mainstream media all day, every day. it s a damnable lie. steve, i think the grander lie has to do with total hypocrisy. and is the birtherism of the left. this is the new birtherism. because we want the old birtherism was by the guy he said doesn t lie. steve, the difference between birtherism and russia [ overlapping voices ] the difference between birtherism and russia, steve, is that russia actually helped donald trump, and barack obama was never born in kenya. really? there s smoke and there s fire. how did russia help rick, here s the thing. oh, i m sorry, steve. i know you don t believe our intelligence services, every single one of them. asserted not only did russia interfere in our election, have a meaningful impact on our election. that s a lie. that s a lie. you live in a separate fact bubble. it is not a lie, steve. hold on. hold on. [ overlapping voices ] nobody can hear when everybody is talking over. steve, you brought up birtherism. that was a donald trump lie. you said you don t see him lying. you just compared birtherism as kind of a bad thing as being kind of a not genuine thing. that was a thing of the president s. an incredibly bad thing. that was a thing of the president s. much to his discredit. and the president won t can i answer, rick? will you for one second be quiet? much to his discredit by the way, and he repudiated it during the 2016 campaign. i m very glad he didn t. he didn t repudiate it. he never apologized or yes, he did. he said president was born in the united states and the case is closed. he did. yes, he did. well, he said that. [ overlapping voices ] he didn t say, i lied about it and i ve been making it up. i didn t send investigators to hawaii like i claimed because there s never been any evidence of that. i mean there was none of okay. here s the thing. here we are two years later. okay. two years beyond that point. and rick wilson and a lot of people in mainstream media and a lot of leftists still cannot accept the verdict of the american people in 2016. and they weren t hoodwinked by russia. russia did not hack our election. they decided on their own volition and on their own smarts that we needed to go a different direction. so far they re reaping the benefits of that with massive economic growth. what we should be talking about today, what we should be celebrating and having a parade about is gdp above 4% in this country. the trump boom is real. the trump/russia mania, fixation is not real. it s a mania. it s a new birtherism. sadly, steve, and i hate to bring this back, steve, but you re going to have to live with the fact that russia played a meaningful role in influencing our election. they played a meaningful role in targeted states where donald trump won by a narrow margin. they played a meaningful role in selecting and attempting to maneuver those states and to maneuver public opinion in those states in a pro-trump direction. you re going to have to also accept that donald trump s cam wayne was in direct you re going to have to accept the fact that donald trump has continually lied about the fact that he has no business with russia, no financial ties with russia when all these things are facts. they are coming forward. those not already exposed will be exposed. you can pretend all you want it didn t happen, steve, but it happened. isten,ifyou believe all that by the way, i honestly feel sorry for you. yeah, steve, you know why i believe it? because i can read. okay. well, i read pretty well too. [ overlapping voices ] by the way, the intelligence community in the united states has made many massive mistakes over the years. they are not always correct. their word is not infallible. but regarding the 2016 election, i think here s what s important too. if donald trump were somehow beholden to russia, if he were an agent of russia as has been claimed constantly by mainstream media and by a lot of ral formerly respectable people, for instance, former heads of the cia. if he were an agent of russia, he s doing a really terrible job of it because all he has done is counter their interests, including by the way in terms of the most forceful counter to them, annihilating, literally slaughtering russian troops in the field, american to russia combat in the field in syria. that would not be happening if he were somehow a compromised manchurian candidate. steve, listen, i think that the american people saw very clearly in helsinki that donald trump did everything but strap on his knee pads, drop to his knees and polish vladimir putin s shoes, that this is a man who is influenced and under the control of this of the russians. he is absolutely, completely compromised. his behavior proves it. you ve lot your mind. you re a birther. why is it he won t come out you re al jones of the right. and assertively or of the left, i mean. discussion the invasion of the crimea? why isn t he won t doesn t the president like alex jones? say that the president engages in activities such as assassination. i get it, steve. you re part of the cult. you re part of the trump voterees, and no matter what he says, you re going to say he s the greatest hero in the history of this country. that s not true. i criticized him on this network after the helsinki presser because i thought it was a poor performance. i said so very clearly. i wrote about it on real clear politics. i thought it was the worst performance of his presidency so far. if that s his worst day, i ll take it. glad you made it a shoe reference by the way. speaking of intelligence agencies and the people who are in the position to have answers to the question of interference, we have the former director of national intelligence next. what?! -welcome. -[ gasps ] a bigger room?! -how many of you use car insurance? -oh. -well, what if i showed you this? -[ laughing ] ho-ho-ho! -wow. -it s a computer. -we compare rates to help you get the price and coverage that s right for you. -that s amazing! the only thing that would make this better is if my mom were here. what?! an unexpected ending! 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over a year and a half in, and this administration, and now we re finally having a cabinet-level meeting to address this problem. and in the meantime, there really isn t anybody in charge the best i can tell. i think individual agencies and departments, notably dhs, the intelligence community, fbi, et cetera are doing what they can within their scope of responsibilities to prepare for the midterm elections. the bigger issue, though, apart from, you know, getting the government on the same page, this needs to be not just an intergovernmental thing. it needs to be an intersociety thing. there needs to be leadership across our country about the threat posed by the russians in their continued efforts to meddle in our political processes. appreciate your time. thank you. president trump and his one time personal lawyer michael cohen certainly seem to come apart at the seams this week. just had a look into their long relationship and what s now happening. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that s why there s otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it s a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don t use if you re allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts, or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. other side effects include upper respiratory tract infection and headache. tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and if you re pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. the most highly recommended bed in america just got better. introducing the reinvented tempur-pedic. designed with the most pressure relieving material we ve ever created and superior cool-to-touch technology. find your exclusive retailer today at tempur-pedic.com. well, esurance makes it simple and affordable. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412. that s auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. as we ve been discussing, president trump is denying his former personal attorney s claims that he knew in advance about that infamous trump tower meeting in 2016. that was the meeting attended by his son don junior and its alleged purpose was to dig up dirt on hillary clinton, dirt provided by russians who claimed to have relationships with the russian government. the relationship between donald trump and his one-time personal attorney michael cohen, of course, has endured for years. it s one that s built on loyalty but that all seems to be changing. here s cnn s chief political analyst gloria borger. this is some turnout, huh? reporter: in the private conversations between then-candidate donald trump and michael cohen, it turns out there was a tape. when if comes time for the financing, which will be what financing? we ll have to pay with cash? no, no, no. reporter: when cohen decided to release his secret recording in which the two men talked about buying a playboy model s story about her alleged affair with trump, it was seen as cohen s declaration of war against his former mentor, boss, and hero. a shakespearean turnaround. this man has come to a moment in his life, and i won t talk about what he did in the past for donald trump other than being a loyal defender as an attorney. but i will tell you my own personal view. this man has turned a corner in his life, has hit a reset button, and he s now dedicated to telling the truth. reporter: but after more than a decade spent fixing trump s problems, cohen is facing a criminal investigation that led to fbi searches of his office, hotel, and home. michael was, i d always like to say, the ray donovan of the office. i ll take care of it. he took care of what had to be taken care of. i don t know what had to be taken care of, but all i know is that michael was taking care of it. he s the guy that you could call at 3:00 in the morning when you have a problem. reporter: do you know stories of donald trump calling him at 3:00 in the morning? donald trump has called him at all hours of the night. every dinner i ve been at with michael, the boss has called. reporter: but cohen did not call the boss, he says, when he decided to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket 11 days before the election. i think it s ludicrous. so you believe 100% donald trump knew? 100%. reporter: but rudy giuliani says trump did know. i m giving you a fact now that you don t know. it s not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. they funneled it through the law firm. funneled through a law firm, and the president repaid it. oh, i didn t he did? yeah. reporter: cohen wouldn t go on the record for this piece, but his friends claim this was all part of his job in trump world, giving the boss deniability and protection. if you know the relationship between the two people, he took care of a lot of things for mr. trump without mr. trump knowing about it. that s part of the overall structure is that michael had great latitude to take care of matters. reporter: in 2011, michael cohen described his job this way. my job is i protect mr. trump. that s what it is. if there s an issue that relates to mr. trump that is of concern to him, it s of course of concern to me. and i will use my legal skills within which to protect mr. trump to the best of my ability. it s going to be my absolute pleasure to serve you with a $500 million lawsuit. reporter: often with threats as in this 2015 conversation with a reporter. i m warning you. tread very [ bleep ] lightly because what i m going to do to you is going to be [ bleep ] disgusting. do you understand me? this is also part of the trump-cohen method is you skate on the edge of what s reasonable. everyone else walks up to it as if they re walking up to an electric fence, and they back off before they get shocked. michael has that quality. he is a person that will risk getting electrocuted if it means that he could gain something in the moment. reporter: cohen, a sometimes democrat, first came to trump s attention after buying apartments in trump developments. then went to the mat for trump against one of his condo boards and won. trump loved him for it. i mean that was the beginning of it. and then after that, they became close. it was much more than an attorney-client relationship. it was something much deeper, almost father and son kind of thing. reporter: for trump, hiring cohen wasn t about pedigree. cohen, who was 51, got his degree from western michigan s cooley law school and had some initial success in the less than gentile world of new york taxicab medallions. if you look where michael came from in his legal career, before he started working for trump org, it wasn t like he came from a white-shoe law firm. he came from, you know, a hard-nosed new york trial firm. you can almost say this is donald trump s mini me. for a guy who started really in the middle class on long island to now be quite wealthy himself, known internationally, and, yes, he s in a bit of a jam with the russia scandal. reporter: with continued interest from the special counsel and congress. i look forward to getting all the information that they re looking for. reporter: during the campaign, when trump said he had no contact with russia, cohen was privately trying to cut a deal for a trump tower moscow. it never happened, but mueller has asked about it. the sad reality is that michael pursuing that trump tower deal in december is just another factor that goes into this whole russia narrative. i will faithfully execute reporter: when trump became president, he did not bring his brash wingman to washington. do you think he wanted to be in the white house, be white house counsel or there must have been a part of him that was dreaming of a great job at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. but he s also the guy who not only knows where all the bodies are buried, he buried a lot of them himself. and that ironically disqualified him. they say i m mr. trump s pit bull, that i am his i m his right-hand man. i mean there s i ve been called many different things around here. reporter: because if you re michael cohen, at least until now, you ve always been called the ultimate loyalist. the words the media should be using to describe mr. trump are generous reporter: michael cohen, it seems. passionate, principled. reporter: has changed his mind. with that change of heart, the question now is what exactly michael cohen has that he can tell prosecutors. anderson? 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ukraine intractable, syria, extend the new star treaty for five years that s going to expire in 2021 as a result of these two presidents coming together? yeah. can they agree for no nuclear proliferation and put pressure on north korea and also put pressure on iran? is that possible? i think so. paul: okay. let s talk about the domestic politics here because you know to have an effective foreign policy, you need domestic support. and the way the president handled that press conference has really hurt him in terms of his ability, i think, to maneuver inside congress and have the support he needs. why did he get such at odds with the intelligence community judgment about 2016, when he really didn t need to? yeah, i mean, listen, monday was a disaster. i think it was a low point of his presidency, to be sure. i don t get it to be frank, paul. i mean, i know that they put a president? you know, there s a lot of misunderstanding about this. in talking to the people around the president, who i know, the president drives foreign policy and national security, make no mistake about it. paul: correct. and listen, i think this president i mean despite this week of criticism, he s the toughest guy on russia since ronald reagan, and the facts are on the table. look, the trump defense buildup comparable to the reagan buildup. it has to last a few more years to be sure. increasing the defense budgets in nato. we have deployed additional troops on the eastern border on the russian border. okay? not to the degree we need, but to be sure, putin is paying attention to all those three things. fourth, what we ve done in ukraine in terms of anti-tank weapons. and of course we ve responded twice to assad s chemical attack, and that s his ally. we re pushing back on iranians, and that s his ally. putin is paying attention to that. he s paying less attention to the rhetoric that goes on here. paul: you mentioned nato. let s listen to the president to answer a question from tucker carlson on montenegro. membership in nato obligates the members to defend any other member that s attacked. let s say montenegro is attacked, why should my son go there to defend it? i understand what you are saying. montenegro is a tiny country with very strong people, very aggressive people, and they may get aggressive, and congratulations you are in world war iii. paul: deterrence is the core function of nato or any alliance like this. does a comment like that suggest some doubt about whether or not we re willing to commit to that level of deterrence? yeah, absolutely. i mean, one of putin s major objectives certainly he resents the fact that russia strategic buffer from world war ii to the president is gone and that strategic buffer was eastern europe. and they had an agreement in the 90s that, you know, these countries would not become a part of nato, but they ran towards nato because they feared the intimidation and the coercion of russia. that s what montenegro is all about. they want to get underneath the tent and get some level of protection. that comment there obviously denigrates the whole concept of what this is about. i think that eventually will likely probably come in because of the same reason all the other eastern europeans are in there. paul: right. the president will support that, and they will be part of article v collective defense fight for one on behalf of the whole collective operation of nato. paul: if you are putin, you look at that and say, maybe just a tad little bit no doubt about that. i think he looks at merkel to be quite frank about it. there s guys like me sitting around putin and saying to him, if we took the three baltic capitals, would merkel really commit her infantry? paul: that s exactly that s a question. paul: it is a question. it is an important one. still ahead, republicans are under pressure to stand up to russia following the president s inconsistent statements this week. what congress can do to contain putin and maybe president trump, when we come back. 2018 is around the corner. our job is to ensure what happened in 16 doesn t happen again. i believe it will if we don t act. what do you have there? p3 it s meat, cheese and nuts. i keep my protein interesting. oh yea, me too. i have cheese and uh these herbs. p3 snacks. the more interesting way to get your protein. gathered here are the world s finest insurance experts. rodney mastermind of discounts like safe driver, paperless. the list goes on. how about a discount for long lists? gold. mara, you save our customers hundreds for switching columnist, editorial board member, and columnist and manhattan institute senior fellow. mary, i recall clearly last week you said the summit with putin was a bad idea. has the week made you change your mind about that? no, it hasn t at all. i think it is safe to say this was not a highlight of the trump presidency. now, as to what congress can do, they are a little limited of course because the executive branch is the one that sets foreign policy, but we have seen congress impose some pretty significant sanctions on russia, most notably after the invasion of ukraine and they could do so again. paul: but how much damage here? before we get a little more on congress, how much damage here do you think this has done after the full week? he reversed himself and second invitation to putin. how much damage has he done to his presidency? i m not a chicken little paul i don t think the world is going to end because of one disastrous press conference. however, trump did take a hit. i think he looked subservient to putin, i don t use that word lightly. and i think what he s done is unified congress around the idea of cracking down on putin and he s raised concerns among the allies too. let s not forget about them. they rely on us in large part for leadership, whether it s in the baltics or in eastern europe or nato as general jack keane just talked about. and i think the prestige took quite a big hit this week. paul: jason? i think they have spent the week trying to clean up this mess. that gives you some idea of how much damage they think was done this week. hurting relations not only with the intelligence community, but also with the european union and nato and also domestically. mary is right. trump supporters like the fact that he doesn t back down. he plows ahead. he doesn t apologize. here he was standing next to vladimir putin, had the chance to tell him we know what you did, don t do it again and trump went wobbly. and i think that he hurt himself domestically as a result of that. paul: bill, what about this disagreements we re hearing about between some of the intelligence officials and the white house? particularly dan coats, the director of national intelligence. he was seemed in an interview to be stunned by the news that the president has issued an invitation for putin to come in the fall, and issued a statement after the summit defending the intelligence community. right, well, look, we all know that the russians meddled. everyone knows that. i think even president trump knows it because he walked back his remarks earlier. look, he s still the president. and i think the storm will pass, probably because another storm will come up in its place. [laughter] but i would like to see there are interesting ideas out there. first of all, we know from this that the sanctions really bite, right? we know that the russians particularly vladimir putin really hate those sanctions. i think the actions this week will make it much harder to lift those sanctions, which is a good thing. and there are other interesting ideas. the washington post had a story saying we ought to move our troops from germany to poland. to me that would be an incredible step forward. paul: speaking of congress, 98 to nothing vote this week by the senate warning the president not to take up putin s request to have to come and have russian prosecutors interview american officials who might know something about bill browder who is one of the authors of the act, a sanctions bill that passed in 2012 and has sanctioned i think about 51 russians. yeah, putin is trying out the classic cold war tactics, paul, where he offers something in return for something that he shouldn t have. president trump of course wants to question the people who were hacking into the dnc servers paul: last week. right, in return putin says oh yeah let me question these 12 americans that i think have committed crimes against russia. and trump fell for it unfortunately. now paul: he stepped back from it. because of that backlash from congress, he stepped back. that s a good thing. that also shows that checks and balances in the american system work. but the very idea that the white house spokesperson sarah huckabee sanders didn t immediately shut that down, that putin request, when she was asked about it this week, to me shows a fundamental lack of communication within the administration and a lack of understanding of putin s method and his tactics. it also shows an inability of trump to distinguish two things here, which is russian meddling and collusion. he needs to say over and over again yes, we know russia meddled. they better not do it again. my administration had nothing to do with it. paul: they are separate issues. they are separate issues. he continues to conflate them and his political opponents have no problem with that. why does he keep doing that? i think that s all he s thinking is collusion and he s not distinguishing between the two. paul: he s thinking it undermines the legitimacy on the election. you just make the distinction. he s giving ammunition, bill, to his opponents. what do you think of the second summit? good idea? no, i think it is a bad idea. i agree with jason. look, i think a lot of what has led donald trump to say certain things on russia is he doesn t want to give his enemies any quarter and that means saying some dumb things and setting off this kind of storm. that said, i think that again a lot of this is atmospheric. we all get distracted about it. the president like many presidents gets distracted by the idea that having a one-on-one relationship with some dictator is going to improve the situation. that s a perennial problem. and i think the risks here when you don t have something that you want specifically from them shows what can happen. look, with kim, at least we know what we want to do. we want a denuclearized peninsula. i don t think it s a good idea unless you are going to get something that you really want out of it and you know that beforehand. paul: all right. thank you all. still ahead a vote in the house this week on a g.o.p. resolution supporting i.c.e. calls from those on the left to abolish the immigration agency. a look at how the issue will play in november. when we come back. motorcycle revving motorcycle revving motorcycle revving motorcycle revving no matter who rides point, there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. and just like tyrone taylor, they know what it takes to help keep you protected. are you in good hands? if his denture can cope with. a steak. luckily for him, he uses super poligrip. it helps give him 65% more chewing power. leaving brad to dig in and enjoy. super poligrip. are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi.? a more powerful way to stay connected. it gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most wifi coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. it s the ultimate wifi experience. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. paul: the house on wednesday approved a republican resolution supporting u.s. immigrations and customs enforcement as republican leaders sought to put democrats on record over calls to abolish the agency. some on the left are attacking i.c.e. amid the outcry over families separations at the borders. in what is shaping up to be a defining issue in the november election. president trump seized on the issue this week tweeting the democrats have a death wish in more ways than one. they actually want to abolish i.c.e. this should cost them heavily in the midterms. we re back with bill, mary and jason. jason, what do you make of the house vote on i.c.e. this week? well, it was a bit of show there. but i think it is reflective of the country on this issue frankly, much more than these progressive democrats are calling for the abolition of i.c.e. i think majority of americans want the border better patrolled, paul, not eliminate. this idea that people just want to give up on border security is nonsense. it is also strange given as you mentioned there we ve had this child separation issue. paul: right. a vast majority of americans have a problem with that. the democrats had a good issue there. why change the subject to abolishing i.c.e.? it doesn t make much sense. paul: yeah, bill, it seems to me that both sides here think that immigration is going to work for them in november. democrats think they can make hey with the fact that daca and the dreamers haven t been legalized and the family separation. republicans think i.c.e. and the abolition of i.c.e. is an issue for them. who gets the upper hand here? well, i think for the last decade and a half or so, the issue has worked for the democrats. and i think there s a lot of suspicion that president obama for example as a senator and as president preferred to have the issue, in other words, accusing republicans of being racist and so forth than to have a resolution. i thought earlier this year that the failure to get something done on dreamers, which is sort of the easiest part of the equation because they were brought here by others. they didn t, you know, come themselves. paul: right. was something easier, basically a border wall for dreamers. i thought that might hurt the republicans. but it looks like the democrats are bent on shooting themselves in the foot. the abolish i.c.e. thing comes across as we want lawlessness. i mean, these are the same people pushing sanctuary cities and so forth. and i m amazed at how they are taking an issue and making themselves as unattractive as they can be to the american people. paul: immigration seems to me works for the democrats when it is about opportunity and fairness. and it works for the republicans when it s about security. absolutely. paul: abolishing i.c.e. mary turns it into a security issue. i think that s right, paul. the greater tragedy here is that there was a deal to be done on immigration reform. border security in exchange for legalizing the dreamers, and to bill s point just now, the democrats wanted immigration as an issue under obama. they didn t want a solution. and i think republicans unfortunately are using the same tactic when it comes to i.c.e. they want an issue, not a solution. the democrats don t want to deal so you can t put all the blame on the republicans. but you know i think the dreamers here will suffer. paul: this is a developing trend among democrats, jason. you ve got gillibrand, warren, sanders, three senators all whom want to run for president, all taking the abolish i.c.e. position. is this going to divide the democrats going forward? i think it will divide the democrats, especially those who think we re losing white blue-collar workers. i don t know how an issue like eliminating i.c.e. helps attract those. but it s how progressives have really taken over the party, whether it s $15 minimum wage, a single payer healthcare, these used to be fringe issues held by progressives. now they have entered the mainstream democratic thinking. paul: i think you will see a lot of democrats not adopt abolish i.c.e. i think they will just drop it and not talk about it. trump wants to talk about it all the time. that s how he wants to define this issue between now and november. i think that s why you saw 133 democrats vote present on this bill supporting i.c.e. and it s also why you saw some pennsylvania democrats, lamb, cartwright vote for the bill because they are in trump country and they realize that and would like to keep their office. paul: it also accentuates the issue a little bit of crime. you ve got ms-13 which ravages some neighborhoods we know here in new york state and elsewhere. and nobody wants that. democrat or republican. but that i.c.e. is fighting that group. i think it goes back to your point. it s not just it s lawlessness, and if lawlessness becomes a defining part of the issue, the republicans will gain. and they won t back they will prefer to keep this as live as an issue. paul: it is a shame because both sides are in their respective camps and we can t seem to get anything done ever on immigration. when we come back, from abolishing i.c.e. to single payer healthcare, a look at the democrats left turn and the growing strength of progressives within the party. karl rove on what it means for the midterms, next. when i ts it s so hard to believe but it s all coming back me. baby, baby, baby. all you can eat is back, baby. applebee s. and when youod sugar is a replace one meal. choices. .or snack a day with glucerna. .made with carbsteady. .to help minimize blood sugar spikes. .you can really feel it. now with 30% less carbs and sugars. glucerna. while we re honored, we don t one do it for the awards, on. we do it for you. we have low fares on over 4,000 daily flights on average to 100 destinations, just so we re ready to go when you are. everything we do is done with you in mind. but, hey, if they want to reward us for rewarding you, we won t stop them. putting people first. that s transfarency. something important. it s not going to be easy. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. actually, that s super easy. my bad. just for a shot. but why go back there when you can stay homefice that s super easy. with neulasta onpro? 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well, increasingly divided because you just touched on a couple of them. we ve seen this throughout the primary season, that in cases of races where the democrats had a shot to win, they threw it away by going hard left. the key example to me was nebraska too. this is the most democratic part of nebraska. it is part of the state that obama carried, that hilary clinton did well in. they had a democratic congressman until recently. he was trying to get the democrat nod back again. and he d have a shot in the general election. but the democrats instead went hard left with a woman named kara eastman who is in favor of medicare for all, free college, guaranteed job with a guaranteed paycheck, and in a midwest district like that, that is sane and sensible, even a lot of democrats are going to find that too much to go for. paul: but you know, karl, look, ocasio cortez it seems to me has a point at least on one thing, and that is enthusiasm and energy and passion. and if you stand for something, you re going to motivate people to vote. in 2010, as you know, the response from republicans to president obama was driven in part by that kind of passion. voters know that trump is going to have the veto authority. but the democrats may be motivated enough to put a check on that and some of these issues may not matter as much. well, maybe, but look, she comes from a very liberal district that is not representative of the country. when she goes out to campaign around the country, she s going to raise questions that local candidates are going to have to raise. in dallas, texas, in the 32nd congressional district, if she comes in and campaigns for collin allred, people will ask him do you agree with her that israel is conducting an illegal occupation of palestine? are you in favor of free jobs, free healthcare, free college? are you in favor of that kind of an agenda? are you a democratic socialist? some of that stuff will work well if you are in, you know, san francisco, but to win the house, the democrats will have to win a lot of seats in places like pennsylvania, michigan, illinois and texas and the parts of california that don t like how they voted in the bay area. paul: karl, then what you do is you don t invite cortez or warren in those districts you invite bill clinton or somebody who is more popular in those districts. sure, but look this is a sentiment that is grabbing that is gaining strength inside the democratic party. here in texas they nominated a rock star named robert francis for the u.s. senate against ted cruz. i think it is hilarious we have the robert francis running and we have the cruz running as ted. but he came out this week in favor of impeaching donald trump. it may be popular in the confines of the democratic party but it won t be popular in a red state like texas. take pennsylvania, this is a district held by a republican, won by hilary clinton, they nominate the most left wing guy running in the primary turns out to contributed $300,000 to organizations that support disinvestment in israel and it is the district has the 38th highest percentage of concentration of jewish voters of any district in the country. so yeah, look, it matters that you stand for something. but if what you stand for something is hard left politics, and you re running in sort of middle america, then the democratic party is not going to win as many seats as it might otherwise have won. paul: one of the things we have seen over the last 12 months is the democrats have outperformed what you would have had expectations for voter turnout. that s generated by enthusiasm. a lot of is we saw this in virginia in particular is antitrump enthusiasm. why isn t the best democratic argument were to be simply something like this, we are going to put a check on president trump. you want checks and balances? the republicans aren t doing it. we re going to put the check on trump. that would be a good strategy, but instead they ve got for the people and increasing numbers of their candidates are defining their agenda by adopting left wing positions, medicare for all, free college, guaranteed jobs and so forth. but you re right. if they ran a sort of centrist, you know, we re going to work together, republicans and democrats to achieve good things for the country, we re relatively moderate centrist liberal democrats, we re not nuts calling for impeachment. we re not calling for the overthrow of the government. they could win a lot of seats, but that s not the kind of candidates they are nominating in some critical races. but you re right, if they were smart, that s what they would do. take, for example, your old stomping grounds, wisconsin, a left winger running in wisconsin won. it turns out to not only be left wing but turns out to be a deadbeat who couldn t either pay back loans to his former wife or pay his child support payments, but he sounded good to democrats in that district because he was the most left wing. paul: all right, karl, we will see how this evolves in the coming months. thanks for coming in. still ahead, president trump doubling down on auto tariff threats, despite growing opposition from lawmakers and industry leaders. so can eu officials work out a deal with the administration when they come to washington next week? 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[laughter] paul: sounds like he s determined to do it. i think he is determined to do it. you have to take him at his word. he s campaigned on this and something he s determined to follow through on for better or worse, mostly for worse i think. particularly in states that helped elect him, paul. that s one of the things that s hard to figure out here, whether it s cars or aluminium or farm products. you have companies like alcoa, aluminium maker, their shares are tumbling because they import from canada. that s gotten more expensive. alcoa is based in pittsburgh. trump won pennsylvania. iowa farmers traveling over to china trying to preserve deals there that have been harmed due to the chinese trade war. trump won iowa. is this what those voters signed up for? paul: alcoa is a company that was supposed an american aluminium maker. it is the kind of company that trump said the tariffs would help. in the earnings call this week, you have them saying the tariffs are hurting. their earnings are down 15% or so. so i guess and you see this with the domestic companies and the foreign automakers who invest here. everybody really except for the united autoworkers which has i would say issued tepid support for the tariffs, but everybody else against it. can trump still move ahead in the face of that opposition? well, i think it depends on what happens to the stock market, paul. the one indicator that he watches very closely. look, the largest plant in the world is in spartanburg, south carolina, a district that trump won with more than 60%. now, we haven t seen the effects of these tariffs on the markets, but i think when that happens, trump is going to wake up. now, on the european side, my question is, do the europeans get it yet? because they didn t believe that trump would pull out of the paris climate change agreement. they didn t believe he was going to pull out of the iran deal. they didn t believe he was going to put tariffs on. so if i were sitting in brussels, i would be coming to washington with something to offer trump, whether it s a loosening of i don t know, agricultural tariffs. paul: no, that is not going to work. car tariffs it s got to be. it s got to be on automobiles, and it s got to be at a minimum it would seem to me essentially the same rate on tariffs, and i m not sure even that is going to work because the germans are going to say, you have a 20% tariff on trucks here. i don t know about that, paul. i think if the europeans came with a deal to trump and they could both stand up and proclaim victory and walk away paul: yeah, but it has to be on cars. i think both sides would be happy. paul: my point is it has to be on cars. it can t be farm products. one other point we re making is other countries seem willing to move on and make deals without us. japan and the eu have gotten together to cut deals without the u.s. we lose out economically in cases like that, but we also lose out in terms of influence in the region. there s much more at stake here than simply cars and tariffs. paul: bill, what about the danger here that this now becomes also a currency war? the president lashed out this week at the falling yuan and the falling euro because of the strong dollar. i don t think he understands that one of the reasons the dollar is so strong is because so much foreign capital coming here because of the tax reform and the deregulation and faster growth. it is a vote of confidence in his policies; right? got to know who your friends are. look, i think mary makes a good point when she pointed out about the bmw plants over here. i mean, today what is an american car? what is it is such a multifacetted thing. it reminds me for many years, for about 20 years, there was a dumping suit by brother typewriter japanese company building typewriters in america against smith corona, an american company building typewriters in asia. it just ended. it s just ridiculous. paul: i still have mine, bill, i have you know. i don t know where that was made, but very stylish portable typewriter. i took it on the road in asia. still ahead, google is slapped with a record fine as the european union accuses the tech giant of antitrust violations. what it means for google and its competitors, when we come back. 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yeah, i mean, phones have already peaked, right? i mean we re starting to look at what the next platform might be. but my issue is, if you re google, what do you do? they are going to appeal. they have appealed, that s fine. but you can t let the european commission of competition get away with it. if i was google, i would do the following. there s a billion plus android phones that ship every year. got to figure at least 100 million, probably multiple hundred millions ship into europe. you can shut them off but then you are hurting yourself. instead what i would do is i would say okay, let s create an activation fee, $50, 50 euros and not payable to google but payable to the eu. you would have to write a check or paul: so the individual user of the android phone would have to pay the fee. yes, don t even let them do it electronically. make them go to a bank or a post office. this thing would blow over in a week. there would be such an uproar and it would never happen. paul: people would blame the eu and not google. exactly. paul: are you sure? yes, it is just like the tariffs. if there s a tariff on my imported mercedes-benz, if i had to pay that money to the u.s. government rather than to the dealer i would go what do you mean i have to pay? paul: let me ask you another issue about google, market cap almost 900 billion, astonishing, is there a problem in your mind from antitrust point of view in the way they use algorithms to steer users to certain kinds of content? for example, their content and advertisers that they want to steer it to. sure, that was the other european fine they paid for steering people towards their shopping site. you know, it is better to have transparency, to have the algorithms so transparent that if you wanted to have your ad placed first, maybe you would pay more. it s always going to be an issue with platforms, but the more visibility there is and you don t see advertisers complaining. you see bureaucrats complaining. but you don t see advertisers complaining because they can get to users. the nice thing about google you know the effectiveness of your ad. if it doesn t work, you don t run it again. paul: i want to ask you as a market analyst, the big companies, the facebook, google, netflix, and apple have dominated the market. but you wrote an intriguing column this week saying that maybe the seeds of their decline are already planted. explain what you meant. well, on wall street, it is easy to buy a stock. i m going to buy the stock. it is going to be the next greatest thing but no one knows when to sell. i think you need an exit strategy. the day you buy it, you figure out what is going to go wrong eventually. you know, look at netflix. it blew up this week; right? the subscriber numbers were a million shy, and they took the stock down. when i look at the other ones some are more obvious than others. apple seeds of destruction or what we just talked about, is the phone market has kind of peaked. everyone has one. they don t wear out. similarly facebook, they have a problem in that you know they are at 2 point something billion users, doubled in five years. i don t think it is going to double again. they re not allowed in china. russia has competition for facebook. what happens as that growth rate kind of slows? investors get a little nervous and start running for the hills. paul: and that s what you ve got to look for as an investor. when is the turn? you look for it the day you invest. and then you keep an eye on it. say what are the signs that i m looking for? because stocks go up in euphoria; right? google, amazon, every day the stock goes up. what is going to go wrong? so that you can be ahead of everyone else. paul: read andy s column to tell you when to do that by the way. thanks for being here. we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week. :: schwab, again? 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let s bring in the political battle, a former advisor to the barack obama presidential campaign, kevin sheridan a former senior advisor to the romney ryan 2012 bid and former communications director, good to see you. how worried are you about a helsinki hangover in the midterm election? is there danger? there is honest in the party about it and you heard members of congress speak up and restate their positions on russia, that russia is a menace to our country that did middle in the election. there is no collusion necessarily with trump but that doesn t mean they aren t a problem. republicans spoke up. i don t think it will last through to november for the simple fact there are 10,000 news cycles between now and then. republicans are asking why is donald trump bringing vladimir putin to the white house? it is not clear what the goal of that meeting would be. maybe he has a second meeting and is much stronger with him in person. we will have to see. a lot of republican lawmakers on capitol hill do not like having michael cohen stuck in their face, asked about donald trump s performance in helsinki. is that your sense? i think it is. i agree with what kevin said. you have reciprocal views, 32% of americans approve, 68% don t approve of donald trump s handling of the putin summit, 60% of republicans approved, they looking from opposite and equal perspectives, a drop-down from the 80% or 90% support donald trump has had in the party. i suspect there are time delays. it is insidious, it is additive. trump has had two big issues that have hurt him, separation of families with relation to immigration and the vladimir putin summit. there needs to be something else in the economy. to your point the news cycles change so rapidly. it is possible helsinki might be a distant memory by november. democrats could play this better if they have a better message about the economy. they don t have a good argument what they are running for other than to be a check on donald trump which will be effective for some people but ultimately might not be enough. they are moving hard to the left. there establishment is devoid of any real argument so basically adopted this identity politics and the socialist emerging where all the energy is in the party. neither of those options are particularly appealing for voters and i don t think they are playing this as well as they could. a somewhat unpopular president but they are not popular either. what about the potential of trump putin summit 2.0 at the white house on donald trump s turf, could that barry the helsinki meeting if donald trump is tough for the second time? he has to have a better showing on the second meeting and i think he will. i think he learned his lesson, found where the line is and you have to stand up strong to vladimir putin. no matter what you think the unfair coverage of the press and questions about the election he conflates the two in his mind, they are two different things, russia did middle, russia is a threat to the united states and has been for twee 7 years. the republican party has a lot of goodwill on this issue. republicans are the stronger party against russia going back to the cold war. he will be stronger i think. your thoughts on vladimir putin donald trump 2.0 at the white house? we will see. we have the mueller investigation heating up, we will see what happens. trump has damaged himself. i don t agree the republicans have moved hard left, their wedding and reaction not necessarily, the issue with trump is most presidents since truman up to trump played within the 40 yard line. trump is in the end zone. we have an outlier president. we will see how that shows up in the polls. the economy will drive the messaging and local dynamics in terms of the midterms as we will see. a check and balance message by democrats is not enough to take the house. they need to make their own economic arguments, present their own economic leadership agenda. we have to leave it there, thank you for your time. dozens of groups holding a rally in los angeles demanding the city do more to protect asylum seekers and migrants as a federal judge says the trump administration is making, quote, great progress towards reuniting 2500 children separated from their parents at the southern border. evil criminal to do that to the children. people have a right to ask for asylum. jeff paul is live in los angeles with the latest. reporter: hundreds marching through the streets of downtown los angeles to bring attention to the fact that immigrant families separated from their kids, also concern around the thursday deadline that ordered those families to be reunited. we look at this video, this group taking to the streets and taking a two lanes of traffic, hoping people see and hear their message. and realized immigration system is broken. they are sending a message to those across the border illegally and are living in fear. we are here in an immigrant community, and immigrant city and we need to show people in los angeles and the united states and around the world that we support immigrants, welcome refugees and we want them here in our city and our country. reporter: as far as reunification a judge in san diego address those concerns during the court hearing friday. and said i m very impressed with the effort being made. it really does appear there has been great progress toward reunification and the process is working, is on track and on time. even if they were separated, reunified with their families on thursday, they believe the immigration system needs an overhaul. fox news alert. we are learning what went wrong with a tourist boat capsized and sunk in a missouri lake killing 17 people. last night hundreds gathered at a vigil in branson, missouri to remember those victims. you have wanted to feel like somebody cared about you. that is the biggest purpose for this, making sure people understand we are supporting them. share mac do you know if anyone on board was wearing a life vest? we know they weren t. the storm moved fast. ripples on the lake turned into waves that crashed over the bow of the ill-fated tour boat. 29 passengers in two crewmember s were told not to put on life vests. according to one survivor they were told they don t need them. this is where they are. don t worry about it. okay. when the cabin took over. i thought that at some point, grab the jacket now. tia coleman is from a family of 11 the last we 9 people. her husband and three children are all gone. the president of the company that owns the duck boat says a microburst descended on them. the winds were 60 miles an hour. the video shows those two amphibious boats getting battered and taking on water. one of them ultimately slipped. you don t see that in the video but 17 people including the driver of the boat were killed. that duck boat is still in 80 feet of water where it rolled after taking 40 feet of water. the ntsb and coast guard taking over the investigation and we expect in a couple hours to get an update from the ntsb. this gives you a sense how horrified those people are. a cease-fire has been reached between hamas and israel after violence erupted in israel. live report straight ahead. rising stars like alexandria ocasio-cortez resurging in a new wave of democratic socialism. what is exciting is the democratic party has an extraordinary candidate across the country. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. actually, that s super easy. my bad. that s super easy. when heartburn hits. fight back fast with tums smoothies. it neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum tum tum tum tums. smoothies. .and introducing new tums sugar-free. to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. number 1 sleep doctor recommended remfresh your nightly sleep companion. available in the natural sleep section at walmart. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. share mac hamas in gaza reach a cease-fire agreement with israel striking a number of hamas targets in gaza following the death of an israeli soldier near the border, 150 palestinians have been killed in protests at the border since march. ryan is live with the latest. an israeli tank fire into gaza earlier today but palestinians did not respond so this cease-fire remains in place but is already being tested clearly and this is the second cease-fire in less then a week. a precarious situation. what sparked the violence? the 150 deaths among palestinians for the last several months. in addition, the israeli soldier killed on friday by a palestinian soldier, the first to die in a low-level conflict between israelis and palestinians for the past four years in addition to that, increasing news of so-called flaming kites. palestinian militants sending kites into israel over the fence and attached incendiary devices. when they hit israeli soil they catch fire inspector brushfires. no one has gotten hurt in these fires but they caused a lot of economic problems. the israelis have responded by tightening the blockade on israel. until now, the israelis prepared to use military action in response to this. this has the un secretary-general concerns, issuing a statement a short while ago in which he said i call on hamas and other palestinian militants to cease the launching of rockets and incendiary kites along the fence and israel exercised restraint to keep from further inflaming the situation. israel and hamas have fought 3 wars in the last decade, the last one four years ago, the concern that the flareup that we had is frozen in a cease-fire could again blowup into a full-fledged war. mike: thanks very much. eboni: a number of democrats running for office reigniting talk of socialism within the democratic party. one of those young stars is socialist candidate alexandria ocasio-cortez of new york who rocketed to superstardom after knocking out the number one democrat in the house in a recent primary election. we have to have medicare for all. it doesn t stop here. the movement is the right thing to do and we will fight as long as it takes to get there. mike: jillian turner has more. reporter: 42 men and women running for office. we have a formal endorsement of democratic socialists of america according to the associated press, they span 20 states and include florida, hawaii, michigan and kansas, the latest development the trump presidency hit the 18 month mark democratic socialism is becoming an increasingly powerful force in democratic politics. new faces laying out the organization s priorities more forcefully than ever before. we want to be a nation that allows improved and expanded medicare for all. we are a nation that will not stop until every child is born with the opportunity to go to college or trade school free of cost and we will not rest until every person in this country is paid a living wage to lead a dignified life. reporter: they are clear who their friends and enemies are. we say to trump instead of showing us your strength by tearing children from their families, where was your strength in standing up to vladimir putin in russia? reporter: the organization and its political ideology operated on the fringes of the liberal movement s farthest left flank but now they have 45,000 dues paying members and making inroads into states and communities traditionally carried by the gop. they say the people of kansas don t want those things. they told me i would not be welcome. but you have proven them wrong. reporter: this week ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders hit the campaign trail and today she is in missouri campaigning. eboni: we are going to bring in philip wegman, a writer for the washington examiner. thank you for joining us on a saturday. she beat joe crowley, a big time democrat in new york. in that jurisdiction, seems dianne feinstein is up against a real battle in california, so it looks like it might be effective. the question is does this work in middle america? karl rove had interesting thoughts on it. everything she says is going to be tested and candidates will be asked do you agree that israel has occupied palestine? she has started to say things and candidates will be asked do you agree with that? eboni: is she the new kingmaker of the democratic party? she is the queen of queens in new york but what we are watching to see whether her democratic socialism can take root outside of new york and in the midwest. you have alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders pushing for candidates in the midwest right now but kansas hasn t set a democratic congress in over a decade. this is ambitious, very aggressive and if it works it is going to send a 10,000 bold jolt right up the spines of both establishment parties because this movement will not be going away if they are successful. eboni: is it that much of a formula? alabama not known for sending democratic senators to the nation s capital, but doug jones is there. let s go with connor lamb in pennsylvania. many people didn t see that and they were a different kind of democrat then we see in alexandria. is a true all politics are local? when you look at alabama, those were circumstances with the roy moore situation and pennsylvania, there s an interesting parallel between the argument he made at the argument cortez is making. it shows an intellectual vacuum on the left because joe crowley was willing to repeat the same boilerplate talking points we hear from democrats all the time. instead cortez actually advanced a certain set of issues, not just sticking to an anti-trump shtick. this is alarming for democrats because while her very issue focused agenda works on the east coast, the question is whether or not it suffocates in the midwest and other states that are much more red and much more focused on the economy. kansas, difficult to organize a proletariat there when the economy is booming and unemployment is at 3.4%, well below the national average. eboni: how do you see claire mccaskill on embracing a running away from cortez? she is running away as quickly as possible. already state democrats have to be worried about this. joe manchin or joe donnelly in indiana are guys who their entire argument is they are middle-of-the-road democrats willing to work with the president when he is right and split with him when he is wrong. eboni: but to those red state democrats run the risk of getting primary like joe crowley? they are definitely the chosen sons for this november and this raised an interesting point. we are talking about what is happening in this current moment. alexandria ocasio-cortez represents not just politics for the next two years but for the next decade because the economy will not always be good and at moments like those, her appeal when it comes to democratic socialism is going to hit hard with young people and i don t think establishment republicans or democrats are prepared at all. eboni: when you are the change candidate that seems to work in your favor politically, hillary clinton, one of her downfalls was she seemed like the same, the establishment, in the vein of chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and joe crowley. i can see both sides of this but is it a risk that is worth taking for the democrats? reporter: it is a risk they are being forced to take. they saw what happened when the establishment tried to shut down bernie sanders during the democratic primary in 2016. it did not work well for them and there were a lot of dissatisfied voters. a lot of base voters. whether they like it or not they have to accept alexandria ocasio-cortez into their ranks but they were forced to leap before they looked at her policies and like karl rove said earlier a lot of red state democrats will be hit over the head because of her positions. eboni: great to see you, thank you. mike: an american pastor held in turkey for two years on charges of terrorism and espionage. how the trump administration is intensifying a diplomatic push to secure his freedom but how the united states is pressuring members of the un security council to make kim jong-il and give up his nuclear weapons. no one was under any illusion this was going to happen, it will take time to achieve this outcome. motorcycle revving motorcycle revving motorcycle revving no matter who rides point, there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. and just like tyrone taylor, they know what it takes to help keep you protected. are you in good hands? the united states sending a message to the united nations but north korea will not receive really from sanctions until kim jong-il and gives up his nuclear program and putting pressure on china and russia district reinforce sanctions. ambassador nikki haley and mike pompeo mike pompeo during a joint briefing at the un. we can to do one thing until we see north korea respond to their promise to denuclearize. the path ahead is not easy, it will take time but our hopes for a safer world for all of us in a brighter future for north korea remains our objective. eboni: a research fellow at the eurasia group foundation, good to see you. secretary of state mike pompeo trying to keep pressure on the north korean regime to keep the promises they made with a won t get sanctions relief. the impact? north korea response to one friend in that region, china. it is its lifeline. we need to keep a good cooperative relationship with china if we expect them to put ultimate pressure on north korea. the trade wars we are embarking on make that difficult but they have been reliable partner with the united states. mike: should us officials be concerned north korea is back to their pattern and making promises they never deliver on? don t think many people think kim jong un is a reliable consistent negotiator. no one will take him at his word. one of the things that has created a sense of urgency for kim jong un to get a nuclear record is the record of regime change in iraq, saddam hussein being pooled out of a hole, he sees other leaders like moammar qaddafi attacked by a mob in a drainage ditch. he doesn t want to become like them. he wants to hold onto power, and a nuclear weapon is the ultimate deterrent for having the united states try to tackle his own regime. america s history of preventive wars has backfired and created the situation we are in. mike: what about what nikki haley is doing in china and russia on the un security council, a problem the us has been dealing with for some time. china and russia are forms in the side when it comes to cooperating with issues like this. north korea in their region don t see the same threat the united states sees, but pompeo needs to be careful in his language. when he says north korea made promises to the world that is right, for all to see. but the rest of the world doesn t perceive this threat the way the united states does. we have to be realistic about that. mike: we talked about donald trump s visit with nato. share your thoughts about the trump visit. this will be in the boston globe tomorrow, thinking about whether nato and nato expansion happening over the years, to some extent created this sense is not just vladimir putin and his ilk that look at the united states and think we are being overaggressive. it is 18, 22, 25-year-old kids in russia we are alienating, the people who would be small the democrats in that country. i don t think nato is as consequential as ultranationalist parties that are springing up in nato countries, our wealthy european allies. that is a threat to the european unity and democracy. more than russia is at this moment. mike: the president s approach by getting nato countries to spend more on defense, isn t that making nato stronger? i think it will. this kind of burden sharing has been a policy of the united states owing back to the obama administration, trying to get allies to chip in more money as well, a different diplomatic strategy in doing that. they were not scolding publicly, this is what i, neck the bassoonist style where you have public displays of aggression and affection. it doesn t always end well because these political leaders, heads of state donald trump is meeting with have their own constituencies and if they are perceived as doing the us s bidding, doing this a little more surreptitiously behind closed doors. might be in the president s interests for sure. i have been to afghanistan and see nato troops alongside americans and some americans they don t do the same heavy lifting we did. they helped the united states after 9/11. does nato have value going forward? absolutely. the rationale for nato existing, keep america in, keep rush out, keep germany down, an obsolete mission but in terms of getting incentives for european countries, and corruption, that is a worthy thing, article 5 of nato, if you treat an attack on one country like an attack on everybody, the only time that was invoked was after 9/11. it has served the united states interests. there needs to be a critical reevaluation of the role for nato and what his rationale is in the post-cold war era. mike: a pleasure picking your brain. thank you for having me on. eboni: the search for a suspect in the murder of a police officer comes to a end in hawaii but officers are not able to make an arrest. supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh complete another step in his confirmation process as democrats deploy another method to stop his nomination. we talk to a former clerk for brett kavanaugh next. judge brett kavanaugh deserves the support of every member of the united states senate and should be confirmed to the supreme court of the united states. an energy company helping cars emit less. making cars lighter, it s a good place to start, advanced oils for those hard-working parts. fuels that go further so drivers pump less. improving efficiency is what we do best. energy lives here. 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we have never seen a number anywhere close to this. there are more documents produced for brett kavanaugh than ever in history, and people in dc, chuck schumer, and senator grassley and mcconnell, 1 million documents or 2 million documents and that is the kind of thing politicians love to fight about. and what is already public is judge cavanagh s record on the second most important court in the country, opinion after opinion document after document shows his independence, evenhandedness and a brilliant legal mind at work. eboni: they are not looking for his opinions as you say accurately, those are made available. i am going to reframe this for us. let s go with this premise. if it is not a legitimate scope of who the judge really is from a legal standpoint, say it is a political tactic, some people are saying it. the you think that is wise of the democrats if it is their plan to delay the confirmation post the start of a session which is october 1st, democrats maybe don t want that. is that smart on their part? i m not a political expert but if you compare brett kavanaugh to alayna kagan, john roberts, he is in a different position they are because he has had 12 years on the second lowest court in the country, alayna kagan a brilliant attorney but never a judge before, john roberts a very smart attorney who had barely been a judge. we didn t know as much about john roberts and alana kagan but we know about judge cavanagh, 12 years, second most appointed. eboni: some democrats say we need to slow everything down with brett kavanaugh because he is a trump nominee and as we have seen with trump ron nominees in the news for federal judgeships, like ryan downs, was rescinded but tell me how you see brett kavanaugh versus another trump appointee. it is very different. brett kavanaugh has been confirmed by the senate in 2016 for his current judgeship. there should not be as many questions what kind of person this is and i also think when it comes to a new nominee to the court, whether it is ryan downs or alana kagan if they haven t been a judge before we look at their past and figure out what kind of judge they are going to be but with brett kavanaugh we know what kind of judge he will be, for 12 years already and 200 opinions show he is a fantastic judge, the most qualified nominee to the supreme court in a generation or two. eboni: it is no easy feat to be a judicial clerk. you have done it at the highest level. the supreme court and brett cavanagh. tell me what you observed, the type of judge we are talking about? you have a legal background. you will appreciate seeing brett kavanaugh day in and day out, impeccable character who cares a lot what the law means, what the text means, history and precedent, does it without passion or prejudice. i know brett kavanaugh very well, he has been a mentor to me and every one of his 48 clerks. the more america learns about this great judge and this good man the more they will want to see him on the supreme court. eboni: thanks for joining us. that does it for us but the news continues at the top of the hour after this short break and i will see you back here at 7:00 eastern. what about him? let s do it. come on. this summer, add a new member to the family. at the mercedes-benz summer event. lease the glc300 for $429 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. so let s promote our summer travel deal on choicehotels.com like this. surfs up. earn a $50 gift card when you stay just twice this summer. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com