0 news. i think an activist government is responsible for helping out america's seniors. when you think about medicare, social security, nobody says oh, that's evidence that you have got your hand out. no, that's a government program that helps to protect vulnerable people in society. >> without any proof, because it's purely speculation. you say that all the trillions of stimulus money has worked and thought economy is on the right track. okay. i mean, but, again, it's speculation. you don't know that we might not have spent a nickel and been in the same position we are now. mary katharine, y...