it s called a.r.c. it s addiction recovery counseling. >> it s a four-month program which is a state-of-the-art addiction treatment program. it s the first one ever in the world as far as we know that s completely run and has counselors who are inmates, who are trained inmates. >> it s one thing to sit across the desk from somebody in a suit and tie who s not in recovery, who s never been there, that doesn t have -- know the first thing about getting busted, going to a county jail or going through a prison experience. it s a whole other thing when you ve got a guy sitting across from them, right, that s been there. that can totally relate to what this guy s saying. >> in addition to helping his fellow inmates, rusty hopes his efforts may influence his parole. >> i worked my points down through the years after coming into a level 2 facility, and i ve been to the board 17 times.
serving six months for a white collar crime, he asked to remain anonymous. >> we are small country. we are not rich country like america or like england. this condition for our country is okay. it could be better, but it s okay, this prison experience. i m going to be another man. i m going to be looking about freedom in another way. to appreciate freedom. to appreciate to walk in the park. to drink coke. to see birds, sky. freedom is freedom. that s all. >> while cz s urban setting and concrete surroundings make some long for simple pleasures, our crew headed deeper into serbia and found a prison that except for the razor wire was almost a natural paradise. live-stream your favorite sport,
world as far as we know that s completely run and has counselors who are inmates, who are trained inmates. >> it s one thing to sit across the desk from somebody in a suit and tie who s not in recovery, who s never been there, that doesn t have -- know the first thing about getting busted, going to a county jail or going through a prison experience. it s a whole other thing when you ve got a guy sitting across from them, right, that s been there. that can totally relate to what this guy s saying.
it s called arc, it s addiction recovery counseling. >> it s a four-month program which is a state of the art addiction treatment program. it s the first one ever in the world as far as we know that s completely run and has counselors who are inmates, who are trained inmates. >> it s one thing to sit across the desk from somebody in a suit and tie who is not in recovery, who has never been there, that doesn t have -- know the first thing about getting busted going in a county jail or going through a prison experience. it s a whole nother thing when you ve got a guy sitting across from him, right, that s been there, that can totally relate to what this guy is saying. >> in addition to helping his fellow inmates, rusty hopes his efforts may influence his parole. >> i work my points down through the years after coming into a level 2 facility, and i ve been to the board 17 times. i ve received 17 one-year
inmate who agreed that the staff does what it can to make life here tolerable. serving six months for a white collar crime, he asked to remain anonymous. >> we are small country. we are not rich country like america or like england. this condition for our country is okay. it could be better, but it s okay, this prison experience. i m going to be another man. i m going to be looking about freedom in another way. to appreciate freedom. to appreciate to walk in the park. to drink coke. to see birds, sky. freedom is freedom. that s all. >> while cz s urban setting and concrete surroundings make some long for simple pleasures, our crew headed deeper into serbia and found a prison that except for the razor wire was almost a natural paradise.
>> especially bad experiences. >> especially -- well, the bad is relative. right? was my prison experience bad? yep. was it good? yep. i mean, you re here only because i went to prison. i wouldn t have met you otherwise. >> it feels a little bit like you re picking, choosing, which experiences we re talking about here in terms of the struggles you went through. it wasn t just about prison. it was about -- >> let me ask you, and i appreciate this question, what determines bad? >> what happened in the sweat lodge seems bad to people. >> so you re saying that death is objectively bad. >> and death definitely when you don t think you re going to die would be -- >> but you are. >> this rationale, honestly, that kind of thinking, i m just saying, i feel like a base line can be established that you can
pardon me? >> especially bad experiences. >> especially -- well, the bad is relative. right? was my prison experience bad? yep. was it good? yep. i mean, you re here only because i went to prison. i wouldn t have met you otherwise. >> it feels a little bit like you re picking, choosing, which experiences we re talking about here in terms of the struggles you went through. it wasn t just about prison. it was about -- >> let me ask you, and i appreciate this question, what determines bad? >> what happened in the sweat lodge seems bad to people. >> so you re saying that death is objectively bad. >> and death definitely when you don t think you re going to die would be -- >> but you are. >> this rationale, honestly, that kind of thinking, i m just saying, i feel like a base line can be established that you can
get because i owe you so much. >> thank you, buddy. that means a lot. >> i love your spin on everything now. >> hi, karen, thank you for coming and appreciate you coming. >> how do you expand awareness? there s only one way. pardon me? >> especially bad experiences. >> well, the bad is relative, right? was my prison experience bad? yep. was it good? yep. i mean, you are here only because i went to prison. >> yeah. >> i wouldn t have met you otherwise. >> it feels a little like you are picking and choosing what you are talking about here in terms of the struggles you went through, and it was not just about prison -- >> i appreciate this question, and let me ask you, what determines bad? >> what happened in the sweat
>> i love your spin on everything now. >> hi, karen, thank you for coming and appreciate you coming. >> how do you expand awareness? there s only one way. pardon me? >> especially bad experiences. >> well, the bad is relative, right? was my prison experience bad? yep. was it good? yep. i mean, you are here only because i went to prison. >> yeah. >> i wouldn t have met you otherwise. >> it feels a little like you are picking and choosing what you are talking about here in terms of the struggles you went through, and it was not just about prison -- >> i appreciate this question, and let me ask you, what determines bad? >> what happened in the sweat lodge seems bad to the people. >> so you are saying that death
prison. the name of the project is orient heights. the building i grew up in is 191, fairwood ave. >> everything that i got is a prison tattoo, actually. >> i heard somewhere prison tattoos are like the prison experience. it hurts when you re getting them, it s bloody, some scabs and bruises but when it s all healed up and it s all said and done, there s something left over. >> nice back piece, ain t it? get your back piece on camera, baby! huh? showing off your work, son. >> yeah? >> huh? >> there s better tattoo artists in prison than there are out on the street. >> where did you get those tattoos? >> wherever the cops aren t. >> although it s illegal, where there s a will, there s a way. no matter how many restrictions and laws are put on them by administrations, inmates usually find a way around it. >> it s all my work right here i did since i first met him. >> what was that, three months ago? >> four months ago, something like that.