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welcome to bbc news. i m lewis vaughan jones. our top stories: these are life pictures in the us. live. the us national guard has been deployed in minneapolis to help control unrest triggered by the killing of an unarmed black man by police. when you do not deal with these conditions of inequities and racism and white supremacy in a nation, these are the kind of things that happen. people write, that their language, that s their frustration. people riot. western countries condemn china s planned new hong kong security law, saying it
threatens basic freedoms. targeting twitter president trump signs an executive order aimed at social media companies. easing the lockdown in england and scotland, where people can gather in groups from monday. welcome to bbc news. the us city of minneapolis is bracing for a third night of unrest, following the death of george floyd who was an unarmed black man who died as he was being held to the ground by police. the usjustice department and the fbi say they re giving top priority to their investigation into the killing. let s cross to live pictures we have been following over the last couple of hours. initially we saw a peaceful road test, people marching down busy
roads, these are the scenes live on the streets on day three. dozens of protesters have smashed windows and offices. the minnesota governor, tim walz, said he s called in the national guard to help keep order. now, community leaders also called for calm after police fired tear gas at rioters and looting took place at some stores on wednesday night. you can see the rather chaotic scenes here again for the third night ina scenes here again for the third night in a row. there have been protests across the country as well, police being the main focal point of the protests. the police chief has apologised to the family of the victim, george floyd. you may have seen the video which showed him saying he couldn t breathe as a police officer now on his neck. four police officers have been fired. nada tawfik has more.
america s long and painful history of police brutality has always been an open wound. chanting: don t shoot! in minneapolis, for the second day, demonstrators spilt into the streets after the death of george floyd their protests an outlet for the emotional trauma of watching unarmed black men die at the hands of the police year after year. chanting: george floyd! but as the night wore on, the peaceful chants were drowned out by violence. as the unrest spread, a rush of people began looting and vandalizing property. for hours at this store, crowds took down the aisles, stealing electronics and other goods. the anger turned into a night of fires that engulfed the lake street neighbourhood. it s unfortunate. it s sad.
if people are there, truly there to honour the memory of the deceased and the family, this isn t how you do it. police said the 46 year old was arrested for allegedly using counterfeit money and had resisted officers, but video footage of the start of the encounter bore little resemblance to that official account, and then this moment which has left many sickened. a white police officer identified as derek chauvin knelt on george floyd s neck for more than seven minutes, even as he repeatedly said, i can t breathe. i cannot breathe! you are resisting arrest. new details are emerging about what happened once paramedics arrived. they found him unresponsive and without a pulse. for nearly an hour in the ambulance, they tried to revive him, but he was later pronounced dead at the hospital. chanting: we can t breathe! everyone! chanting: we can t breathe! yeah! activists are keeping up the pressure, calling for the immediate arrest of the four officers to face criminal charges. joining them was the mother
of eric garner, a man who died under similar circumstances in 2014 in new york. the police officers come into our neighbourhoods. they brutalise, they terrorise, they murder our children, and we have done nothing. minneapolis is still smouldering from the chaos, and the city is preparing for more unrest even as george floyd s family calls for calm. nada tawfik, bbc news. so that has brought you up to date with how we got here. i want to take you back live now. these aerial shots of minneapolis, you can see that huge building on fire, fire trucks around there as well. this is note number three of these protests that have turned violent night number three of those protests that have turned violent. this is on the ground level, a separate shot
on the ground of the chaotic scenes at the moment. police have fired tear gas. we have seen have fired tear gas. we have seen live pictures nearby a minnesota police station. lots of protesters. windows have been smashed, thrown stones at the offices, it is a chaotic scene. and this is exactly what community leaders hoped to avoid. there was calm throughout the day today, calls for calm throughout the day today from city officials, state officials, community leaders of wanting to avoid violence, avoid essentially a repeat of yesterday s violence and looting. that doesn t seem to have happened. you can see armed police there. the national guard reporting to try and quell this and calm this. it hasn t happened. a reminder, the point of these protests is because of the death of george
floyd at the hands of four police officers. one police officer had his knee on his neck on the ground and he died. huge anger in the community. the four officers have been fired but there are calls now for those four officers to be arrested. that hasn t happened, but there are several investigations under way. federal investigation is under way. and we heard from officials earlier on that those investigations will happen as quickly as possible, they will be as thorough as needed, but that hasn t capped lots of community activists happy kept. a short time ago i spoke to dr bernice a king daughter of martin luther king and asked her if if people were happy with the fbi s investigation into the death of george floyd. well, as far as i m concerned, they can continue their investigation, but they have
enough on probable cause to arrest the officers. that is the problem right now. and the frustration that people are feeling and the anger that these officers are still out there and they have committed a crime, regardless of what the investigators are saying at this particular point, it s very evident, looking at the video. so they ve been fired, but that isn t enough for you right now? no, no. i mean, firing does nothing. they could get theirjob back if there isn t a conviction. so firing means nothing. at this point, again, we need to see the wheels ofjustice rolling by having an immediate arrest. the mayor has called for that arrest, so many people have called for that arrest, people calling in unison there is enough probable cause to have these gentlemen arrested. an we have seen protests
three days in a row. is it your sense that these protests will continue until an arrest is made, if one is? yes, because people are past the boiling point. we have been living under oppressive conditions as an african american community since we have been in this country. and people are fed up. i mean, they are at a tipping point and it is beyond boiling point. while i advocate always for the non violent way, i believe in it, i think it is the only way to a true, just, humane and peaceful society, the fact of the matter is. sorry to interrupt. given you have said that, what is your reaction, then, to what we saw last night? the violence and the rioting? what did you make of that? as i said, you know, i m focusing less on the rioting. i understand the pain from which it comes, i don t condone it, i don t support rioting. however, the conditions that have led to rioting is what the focus should be on, as opposed to merely just the riots. you know? in other words, peace comes
through notjust the absence of the tension, but the presence of justice. and so if the wheels ofjustice are in order and the process goes, you will see less of that. and what you think your father would make of what s going on right now in 2020? i mean, he already said, he explained this in 1966, 67, when riots happened in los angeles. he said, look, when you don t deal with these conditions of inequities and racism and white supremacy in the nation, these are the kind of things that happen. people riot, that is their language, that is their frustration because we not addressing those things a nation. well, let s address some of those things now, then. what systemic changes do you think need to take place before we re covering another story like this next week, next month? well, let s be let s deal with reality first. something like this is probably going to happen again.
but the energy now has to be that we organise our strength, as my father said, into compelling power to deconstruct and reconstruct the whole criminaljustice system, especially around law enforcement. our legal system and law enforcement system particularly in the south was based in keeping black people in check. and the use of this force and power has been used for generations. so we have to reconstruct our police department so police cannot get away with excessive force. there needs to be laws in place, there needs to be policies in place. we have to look at the whole structure and system around law enforcement and change it. it s going to take time to do that but we need to put our energy into that. and that presumably would require political leadership. what s your message to political leadership in the united states right now? well, you know, you can require political leadership
or a groundswell of grassroots organising. most of the time it s grassroots organisations that puts pressure on political leaders. political leaders are oftentimes trying to be politically correct, whether they are republican or democrat or independent. there are very few elected officials otherwise. so it needs to be grassroots putting pressure on. they need to look at the way law enforcement is done in this country. bernice a king. let s bring you some live pictures now from minneapolis where it is dark but people are out. it has just it hasjust gone it has just gone iopm there. we will return if anything develops there. president trump has signed an executive order ta rgetting social media companies.
he said companies including google, facebook and twitter had unchecked power to censor and restrict the views of users. it comes after twitter on wednesday tagged two of his posts as being misleading. the president had claimed that postal ballots would lead to voter fraud in this year s election. twitter reacted with this fact check warning, labelling donald trump s post as potential misinformation. mr trump has regularly accused social media platforms of stifling or censoring conservative voices. they have had unchecked power to restrict, edit, hide, alter virtually any form of communication between private citizens a large public audiences. there is no president in american history for so small a number of corporations to control so large a sphere of human interaction. and that includes individual people controlling vast amounts of territory, and
we can t allow that to happen. we re joined from washington by daniel lippman, white house and washington correspondent for politico. thank you for being with us. we have an executive order by president trump here. could you expand very quickly and in the simplest terms, what is an executive order, and why is it slightly unusual? so, an executive order is something the president can order government agencies, his own departments, to review different laws and also try to change policy. but this is likely not to get past legally because he can t just likely not to get past legally because he can tjust rewrite laws that congress has written. and have them passed into law. so this is something that is more huffing and puffing because he is mad at twitter for fact checking some of his posts, versus something that will actually accomplish what he wants. thank you for putting that in contact for us. what is
he trying to do, whether or not he trying to do, whether or not he succeeds? what he is trying to do is right now, there is a section of us law that basically immunises technology companies from facing lawsuits about content on their websites. it makes it very hard to sue facebook or twitter or google or something that you see on their website that is against you or mentions you or anything. so he is trying to wipe that protection away. the ironic thing is that if he is successful, and he is likely not going to be, that would make technology companies more likely to delete posts pretty quickly to not get lawsuits. a lot of those posts they might have to delete our tweeds that donald trump is posting where he is attacking various people and spreading disinformation. tweets. and spreading disinformation. tweets. and we had a note of caution at the beginning this is likely to be challenged. with this whole incident have much effect at all on the
electorate? i don t think the average voter is going to cast their ballot for trumbull abidin based on these pretty technical issue trump or biden. silicon valley investors oi’ biden. silicon valley investors or employees go about this matter, but i think there are a lot of conservatives who feel they have been censored by technology companies or are trying to be politically correct. but i don t think the vast majority of voters are going to care. they are more concerned about the economy, you know, a0 million people have lost their jobs you know, a0 million people have lost theirjobs because of the pandemic and who has the best plan among candidates to bring back the us economy? thank you for that, daniel lippman. thank you. stay with us on bbc news. still to come. using the lockdown on england and scotla nd lockdown on england and scotland will have on the dos and don ts as rules change.
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this is bbc news. the latest headlines: the national guard has been called in to quell new protests in the american city of minneapolis, following unrest over the killing of an african american man by police. these are live pictures of the protests under way now. the british foreign secretary, dominic raab, says he s going to make it easier for some hong kong citizens to move to the uk unless china reconsiders implementing its new national security law on the territory. the us, canada, australia and the uk released a joint statement saying the law, designed to criminalise acts of subversion, would curtail individual liberties. our correspondentjohn sudworth reports from beijing.
as they arrived for the closing day of parliament, beijing s tiananmen square was quiet. there are no protests over lockdowns here. inside, china s president had a spring in his step, the virus under control is seen as vindication for him and for a system untroubled by messy democratic debate. there can be no starker illustration of that than this. a new national security law imposed on hong kong with 2,878 votes in favour and just one against. the fear that any anti china protest might now be classed as subversion has led to an international outcry, including this surprise announcement for the 300,000 hong kongers who hold british overseas passports.
if china continues down this path and implements this national security legislation, we will change that status and we will remove the 6 month limit and allow those bno passport holders to come to the uk and to apply to work and study for extendable periods of 12 months and that will itself provide a pathway to future citizenship. the move will infuriate china, which insists its new law will target only a minority of violent demonstrators. translation: the decision adopted is designed for steady implementation of one country, two systems, and hong kong s prosperity. but china is slowly tightening control. as its parliament came to a close in beijing, hong kong s politicians were in disarray over another new law.
if passed, it would make disrespecting china s national anthem a criminal offence. john sudworth, bbc news, beijing. borisjohnson has announced a further easing of lockdown in england. he said that from monday, up to six people from different households could meet outside. but he said people should still not meet up indoors, and should maintain social distancing even outdoors. meanwhile, police say his top adviser dominic cummings, who s been at the centre of a political storm after he was accused of breaking lockdown restrictions, may have done so in one minor instance. laura kuenssberg has this report. what will it look like on the other side? the reflections of a new reality slowly starting to appear. a different life after lockdown, as the rules begin to relax. the prime minister made it official today in england the next phase is on the way. i cannot and will not throw away all the gains we have made together, and so the changes we are making are limited and cautious. it s thanks to the caution we ve shown so far that all five tests are being met.
that means from monday, as long as you keep your distance, some freedom will return. we will allow up to six people to meet outside, provided those from different households continue strictly to observe social distancing rules. these changes mean that friends and family can start to meet their loved ones, perhaps seeing both parents at once or both grandparents at once. and i know that for many people this will be a long awaited and joyful moment. this is not a click your fingers moment when suddenly things will snap back to normal, and moving safely into a different looking world depends on all of us still respecting the government s keep your distance rules, but could that be more complicated after the last few torrid days? there was an outcry when it was revealed that the prime minister s top advisor travelled from london to durham and made a 60 mile separate journey out of lockdown to the town
of barnard castle. the police said today they would have told dominic cummings to go back to his family home, if they had stopped him that day, concluding there might have been a minor breach of the rules. if one of your most senior team wasn t paying proper attention to the rules, why should anyone else? and to the doctors, if i may, is that the kind of example that you want people to follow? durham police said that they were going to take no action, and that the matter was closed, and i intend to draw a line under the matter. you ve asked chris and patrick, but i am going to interpose myself, if i may, and protect them from what i think would be an unfair and unnecessary attempt to ask a political question. it s very, very important that our medical officers and scientific advisers do not get dragged into what i think most people will recognise is fundamentally a political argument. but the pressure on the prime minister won t disappear. nobody should be stopped from answering questions from journalists. but it s the prime minister
here who s in issue. he s been too weak throughout this whole episode. he should have acted swiftly. if i d been prime minister, i would have sacked dominic cummings. we have now effectively wasted a week when we should have been concentrating on the safety of what comes next. political dramas pale, of course, next to the loss felt by so many and the true effects on the country that are emerging piece by piece. let s bring you some live pictures now from minneapolis where there are more protests, more violence and clashes have broken out between protestors and police. that huge fire rating there with our building. we don t know who started it or what the
motives were. he you can see protesters still on the street. here. we have seen stand off between protesters and police earlier on. people holding up signs, people with their hands in the air. the national guard reported to try to quell any violence, to try to stop a repeat of what happened the night before, but they haven t been successful. it has not happened. this is now the third night of protest and clashes. this after the death of george floyd and a number of black man who died when he was being held on the ground by police. a police officer kneeling on his neck. he was saying he could not breathe but was not released. the four officers involved in that incident have all been fired and there is an investigation by the fbi, but no arrest have so far been made. arrests. we will keep
you up to date with all the events there in minneapolis. do stay with us. for now though i m lewis vaughan jones stay with us. for now though i m lewis vaughanjones and this is bbc world news. hello. we know this spring has been warm. it s been very dry in some spots. and now news aboutjust how sunny it s been, with the met office saying provisionalfigures indicate that it s been the uk s sunniest spring on record. and with high pressure close by for friday into the weekend, most will stay sunny and dry, warm, very warm, even hot in some spots. in fact, friday, the flow of air around this high pressure as it moves north across the uk will favour parts of scotland to see the uk s high temperature of the day, close to 28 celsius. now, we start the day with temperatures for some in single figures, though they will rise quickly in the sunshine. any low cloud across parts of eastern coastal england will disappear, along with any misty low cloud around the murray firth in scotland. orkney brightening up,
shetland staying mainly cloudy. but for most of the uk, it s sunshine all the way. it is now a prevailing east southeastly breeze. and that means that east facing coasts will see temperatures towards the teens rather than the low to mid 20s across the bulk of the uk, and, again, nudging the upper 20s in the hottest parts of scotland. temperature not the only thing high. uv levels as well. strong may sunshine. do take care if you re outside for any period of time. and pollen, moderate to high for many of us, as grass pollen levels are on the increase. now, friday looks like a fine evening, plenty of sunshine to end the day. again, temperatures will head down overnight, so if you do try to cool the house down overnight, we re expecting some spots, again, tojust dip down into single figures. and a largely sunny start to saturday morning. and again, just to show you the big picture, it s high pressure maybe just pushing out towards scandinavia, but it is still blocking weather fronts that would give us some rain otherwise from getting to us from the atlantic. so, on saturday, there may be a bit of patchy cloud developing here and there, the sun may turn hazy in some
spots, but for most, it s a sunny story, a brighter one in shetland as well. still the breeze keeping some eastern coastal parts cooler than elsewhere. again, we re talking widely in the low to mid 20s. and then on sunday, again, some patchy cloud developing here and there, but for most places, it will be sunny, it will be dry, it will be very warm. just a hint of something cooler at the end of next week.

this is bbc news. the headlines: the national guard has been called in to help restore order in the american city of minneapolis which has now seeen its third night of violence and unrest. crowds have been protesting against the killing of an african american man at the hands of the police. the state governor said he took the decision following widespread rioting on wednesday. the united states, britain, canada and australia have issued a joint statement warning that china s national security law in hong kong would curtail individual liberties there. they said it raised the prospect of people being convicted of political crimes and would make existing tensions worse. president trump has signed an executive order targeting social media companies, after being angered by twitter tagging two of his posts as potentially misleading. the measures limit the legal immunity the companies have against being held liable for what people post on their platforms.
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this is bbc news, i m shaun ley. the headlines at 7.00: anthony used his huge online following to educate his followers about coronavirus safety protocols. both players feature in a bbc groups including right wing activists have clashed with police programme this weekend, in central london as they gathered and spoke about the shock near parliament and the statue of sir winston churchill. of when the season shut down explosions, shouting it was a sad day. we where dead meanwhile, in trafalgar square, smack into lake at the heart of the protestors threw objects at police as they tried to contain the crowds. season, and adam was the guy who led another 181 people in the uk us. season, and adam was the guy who led us. he made a decision to shut the have died after testing nba down and we supported him as positive for coronavirus, players because we knew we was the bringing the total pioneers and the leaders in that space of making hard, crucial decisions that can affect and will affect a lot of people. holy moly. this is really happening. now it s really like almost like a wake up call, and it was really serious. now, we can t ignore it any more. we can t just serious. now, we can t ignore it any more. we can tjust pretend that this is not happening here. it s happening here, and it s proven to have happened and has hit the
country very greatly. so brilliance contributors on that programme. you can watch a little bit later on. it s on at half past seven, it s called the virus ‘the virus, the lockdown and the return of sport‘ can be seen here on bbc news at half past seven on bbc news. that s all from sportsday. plenty more to come throughout the evening, bye bye. hello and welcome to the latest in our special programmes on the coronavirus pandemic.
i m annita mcveigh. on today s programme, the world health organization says that up to 40% of coronavirus cases could be people with no symptoms. and how technology is helping in the fight against the virus. you can keep up to date with the latest information about the pandemic on our website. first, there is growing evidence that a second wave of covid 19 has hit iran, which was one of the earliest epicentres of the virus, but despite the increase in cases, there is no new lockdown in place yet for the 80 million people living there. some cities have already been announced as red zones for infection. bbc persian had this report. could this be iran s second wave of coronavirus? the country was opened up from lockdown just about a month ago. and this is how it looks now in one city. buses are being used to transfer covid 19 patients to the capital of the province. it is one of at least nine provinces
where infections are rising rapidly. according to iran s ministry of health, this province in the south east is now a red zone. the hospitals are full. their staff are overwhelmed. last week iran recorded the highest daily increase in the number of coronavirus cases since the first were reported four months ago. many local officials say this is a second wave of infections. but iran s president insists that the term second wave creates too much fear among people. there are no signs of social distancing here. shoppers and street vendors don t seem too worried. the authorities say this is the reason behind the recent spike, that people have ignored public health advice and travel to other cities. translation: in the last 24 hours,
we learned that about 60 or 70% of the new patients have travelled to other cities recently. this has happened during holidays, as we were expecting. as life begins to look relatively normal in large parts of iran, iran s official number of cases is 176,000, with over 80,000 deaths. but many including the iranian parliament believe the correct number of infections is eight or ten times more and the death at least twice as much. the president has warned that if people don t follow social distancing, the restrictions may be reimposed. but the economy, already badly hit by us sanctions and corruption, is on its knees. many say that iran can t afford another lockdown, even if the government wants to.
the who has admitted there is a big unknown about how many coronavirus infections are caused by people who don t have symptoms of the disease. one of its scientist had suggested it was rare for the virus to be spread this way, but the organisation now says up to 40% of infections could come from people who have no sign of being ill, and that could make the virus harder to stop, our science editor david shukman reports. this is a message from the government s chief medical 0fficer about coronavirus. if you or anyone in your house. for months, government advice has focused on symptoms, how you must isolate if you get them. you should all stay at home. but what about people who don t look as if they have the disease but are still carrying the virus? like paramedic chelsey mason, who had a test for coronavirus and expected to be clear. i felt absolutely fine.
i came into work and had the test done, and a couple of days later i got a call back saying it was positive, so really shocked because i had no symptoms whatsoever. so, how many cases are there without symptoms? a study at addenbrooke s hospital in cambridge found that 3% of the staff are positive but didn t show it. in the us, at a care home in washington state, the numbers were higher. 56% of people with the virus had no indication of being ill. and on the diamond princess, a cruise ship offjapan, as many as 72% of positive cases showed no symptoms at all. if someone becomes infected, it may ta ke if someone becomes infected, it may take five days before they show any signs of illness. but in the 48 hours before the symptoms start, they could be passing the onus on. and there is a category of people who catch the virus, and that no stage have any symptoms at all may
be for ten days or more. no one really knows. have any symptoms at all, may be for ten days or more, no one really knows, and scientists are desperate to find out how much they can spread the virus. one of the first things i thought about was, oh, my god, i have done two night shift, i have come into contact with six or seven patients per night, i have been with my crew mate for 12 hours. as much as we minimise the risk, it is still there, and with me being positive and not knowing about it, i could have passed it on. working out if that is going on now is really difficult. the government is mainly testing people who may have symptoms. those who don t might slip through the net. so scientists in norwich want to test the entire city. 100,000 people. they say it is the only way to discover who is spreading the virus. if you don t realise you are ill, as we come out of lockdown, and people are going to have more contact than they did previously, the risk from those individuals is likely to increase.
the upshot is that keeping a safe distance still matters, and where you can t, governments around the world are recommending face coverings in case you have got the virus and don t know it. almost 300,000 children in india could die due to severe malnutrition and lack of access to essential life saving services over the next six months according to a study byjohn hopkins university. the rise in hunger has been made much worse by the coronavirus lockdown, with the country s daily wage earners suffering the most. millions have lost theirjobs and are struggling to feed theirfamilies. this report comes from delhi, where malnutrition levels among children were already among some of the highest in the world. too much hunger, too little food. withjobs gone, it is a fight for survival. hunger was always an issue here, but this desperation is new. for these children just
outside the capital, delhi, even one meal a day now feels like a triumph. this baby is just one month old. his parents rely on daily wages to buy food, and like millions of others, they lost work after the government announced a lockdown in march. translation: we used to cook rice and vegetables before the lockdown. our children ate well. now they remain hungry because we have no money and no work. children under five are vulnerable to severe malnutrition. india is the worst in the world, with one in five children affected, and that might have become much worse. this is almost a perfect storm for malnutrition in this region, with a very vulnerable population,
a decline in quantity and quality of diet and without the access to the essential services that children need to prevent and treat malnutrition. for children who were already malnourished, these months have been even harder. translation: this mother says she has lost weight during the lockdown, and her condition could worsen because there is little support. fore more than 445 years the indian government has won a child development scheme to provide nutrients and vitamins to children under the age of six. most of the more than i million centres shut down during lockdown. some of them are trying to home deliver a much smaller quantity of seafood supplements at a time when they are most critical
of food supplements at a time when they are most critical for young child ren s development. now it is ordinary citizens who have stepped up. like here, where one hot meal a day is delivered to 500 children in the past two months. but it is hardly enough. translation: i can provide one or two meals, but children need breakfast, lunch and dinner. they are not getting the nutrition they need. despite a surge in coronavirus cases, the lockdown is easing. the government has a huge dilemma. how to stop the deadly spread of the disease and protect the most vulnerable, particularly children, from hunger and even starvation. they haven t yet found all the answers. that s it for now. her mind or you can that s it for now. her mind or you ca n follow that s it for now. her mind or you can follow me on twitter. had to the bbc news website for the latest information. thanks for watching.
hello. it is a bit of a weekend of mixed fortunes out there. for some of us, sunny and warm conditions lasting through the weekend, elsewhere, some torrential downpours. this was the scene a little earlier in staffordshire. some earlier in staffordshire. blue sky and some fairwea cloud some blue sky and some fairweather cloud around there. through the rest of the weekend, we are expecting a mix of some blue sky and sunshine, it will feel quite warm and humid, but also some thundery downpours. that is courtesy of the area of low pressure. this cloud swirls around, it s a deep area of low pressure, moving up to the uk out of the bay of biscay. there are showers around that area, warm and humid air out there as well. as we head on into this evening, a showery theme, particularly close to that area of low pressure to the south west. for parts of wales and south west of england, potentially heavy and thundery showers.
some hail and some squally winds associated with some of these thunderstorms. fewer showers as we push across more ireland and northern ireland as well. perhaps one or two. a brighter end to the day compared to how we started the day for the north of england. still quite cloudy for scotland this evening, a few showers towards the east, cooler under the cloud in scotland. elsewhere, we have got that humid air sticks with us tonight elsewhere. temperatures round about 11 to 14 celsius. a mild start to sunday. tomorrow promises something pretty similar to today. some sunshine around for many of us, cloudier for the north east of england and eastern scotland, cooler under the cloud. in the sunshine, once again, it s been quite warm or humid. generally too low, possibly even the mid 20s for some of us. again, that threat of some heavy downpours working into parts of wales and south west england, potentially a few for north west england and northern ireland. they will still be lingering around
on monday, low pressure starting to ease away but we still have got it closeby on monday, so another day of sunny spells, some warm and humid conditions bulding through the day, again, that threat of heavy showers and thunderstorms, especially towards the west. further east, we will see fewer of those really heavy showers. temperatures still reasonably warm, 18 24 celsius. showers lasting through the first half of this coming week but it does look drier towards the end of the week. 00:14:27,676 > 4294966103:13:29,430 bye bye.


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b 3:00, facebook live, youtube live. we re tracking questions that didn t get to this time but we will get to next time. stay safe. tonight, the tens of thousands out marching in the streets as we come on the air. from new york city to washington, d.c., to los angeles, and in so many communities acorss this nation. here in new york city, thousands on the march. many, it s believed, headed to gracie mansion, the mayor s residence. it comes after the city imposed that new 8:00 p.m. curfew starting tonight, for the rest of the week. from chicago, to los angeles, where at this hour tens of thousands are in the streets there, part of multiple marches. and in washington, d.c., thousands marching near the white house. now, it s believed, they are headed to the lincoln memorial. and again today, most of the protests have been peaceful. but authorities are prepared for what could come after nightfall. growing concern now on the eighth day of protests after
widespread destruction in new york city overnight. stores destroyed. the famed macy s, damage at rockefeller center. tonight, curfews in place across many major cities. hundreds of arrests.g dein yk in the last 24 hours, at least five officers shot across the country, including one in las vegas in critical condition. also tonight, president trump and the backlash. protesters of all backgrounds lining the streets in washington as his motorcade passed by today. after peaceful demonstrators were hit with flashbangs to clear the way for the president s walk from the white house to the historic st. john s church, holding a bible in a photo op. asked if it the bible was his, he said it s a bible. tonight, church leaders expressing outrage. leaders in both parties outraged too. and what former president george w. bush said late today. the massive crowds gathering
the er of his ar-old ughter speaking out. and there is news tonight on the murder investigation. will other officers be charged? if so, when? what authorities are now saying. a tale of two images. the president, and the former vice president who wants to replace him. tonight, joe biden and his speech today. and his promise to americans amid so much pain. tlweonoffi nowing chacd exc oe two students good evening. it s great to have you with us on a tuesday night. another extraordinary scene unfolding in cities across the country. protests under way. this is the eighth night of protests. demonstrators demanding change in the country after the death of george floyd.apoaching.
thousands in the streets in new york city. one massive group, it s believed, heading to the mayor s residence. and the 8:00 p.m. curfew in effect. it s believed tens of thousands are on the march in los angeles. in washington, d.c., it s believed thousands are headed towards the lincoln memorial. and a massive group in george floyd s hometown. and in new york city last night, the famed macy s department curfew, as i mentioned, moved up. six police officers shot last d the peaceful pr
on striking a cameraman from australian tv, broadcasters there stunned. minutes after that scene, the president walking through the park to st. john s church to hold up a bible. asked if it was his, he said it s a bible. tonight, the fallout from that moment. and the competing images. the peaceful protests across the country, and the concerns about what was seen after the sun went down. here s stephanie ramos. reporter: today, the images of protest from across the country just hours before new curfews go into effect. from san francisco, to orlando, to new york city, thousands marching in protest with a message of peace. we are not looking to agitate, or to loot, or destroy anything. we are trying to make the community unified and by doing that, it s not unifying the community, it s breaking it apart. reporter: the city now moving aceful demonstra by day
violence overnight. windows smashed, stores ransacked, from the macy s flagship store to rockefeller center. the sun has gone down here in new york city and there are clearly different groups that are facing off with police, shattering windows on fifth avenue. the governor today blasting the mayor and police department. the police in new york city were not effective at doing their job last night. period. they have to do a better job, but separate the protesters from the looting. reporter: hundreds of arrests, most after curfew. police investigating this video showing a car slamming into an officer in a hit and run in the
bronx. that officer in serious condition. it appears to be quite purposeful. that is unacceptable. reporter: overnight, officers shot during violent protests. four in las vegas. one in grave condition. another four officers were shot in saint louis. thank god they re alive, they re alive. can we make some sense out of this? reporter: across the country police tactics under scrutiny. l.a. s police chief sparking outrage after suggesting looters were as responsible for george floyd s death as those fired police officers. we didn t have people mourning the death of this man, george floyd. we had people capitalizing. his death is on their hands as much as it is those officers. reporter: the chief later apologizing, calling his own words terribly offensive. today l.a. officers kneeling
with protesters at a faith-based march. at times police torn between patrol and protest. this officer in d.c. seen trying to kneel only to be repeatedly pulled to his feet by his fellow officers. in detroit, 16-year-old organizer stefan perez has been urging his fellow demonstrators to abide by the city s curfew. they re home safe. they don t got rubber bullets. they don t got tear gas. they re not dead. reporter: the mayor calling to thank him. i saw your leadership. i have tears in my eyes. you are everything that is special about the city of detroit. that young protester telling others to go home. stephanie, we see the large crowd behind you. we also know the curfew goes into effect a short time from now, 8:00 p.m. a lot of said they r not concerned about that. reporter: that s absolutely right. thousands are marching across the streets of new york city. you cane very difficult to enforce the new curfew. this group, we ve been following
them for several blocks. they just got started a little while ago. stephanie, thank you. now to the fallout from the president s visit to st. john s church just after we were on the air last night. the police firing at peaceful demonstrators, apparently to clear the way for the president. we ve learned it was attorney general william barr who gave the order. here s jonathan karl. reporter: as president trump rode through washington today, citizens, including families with homemade signs, jeered the presidential limousine. [ booing ] tc were in the motorcade #icantbreathe. today, outrage is growing over the forceful removal of peaceful protesters to clear the way for the president to hold a photo op at st. john s church.
it all began shortly after 6:00 p.m., the hour before washington s curfew took effect. the protesters had gathered just a block from the white house gate. as the president prepared to speak in the rose garden, our camera spotted attorney general bill barr surveying the scene. abc news has learned the attorney general then gave the order to remove the protesters by force. and so it began, continuing even as the president was saying these words. i am your president of law and order and an ally of all peaceful protesters. reporter: you could hear the explosions from the rose garden. smoke canisters, and pepper balls to force the protesters away. among those roughed up an australian tv crew. the photographers hit in the face. his colleague hit with a baton
as she tried to flee. after he was done speaking, the president, accompanied by top advisers, walked to st. john church, crossing the street where protesters had gathered less than an hour earlier. in front of the church, the president held up a bible. is that your bible? it s a bible. reporter: he summoned his advisers to pose for a photo before heading back to the white house. among the first to express outrage, the bishop of washington. the spiritual leader of episcopalians in the nation s capital, including the parishioners at st. john s. he is not entitled to use the spiritual symbolism of our sacred spaces and our sacred texts to promote or to justify a completely entire an entirely different message. reporter: the condemnation stretched across the political spectrum, including prominent republicans. if your question is, should you use tear gas to clear a path so the president can go have a photo op, the answer is no. reporter: republican senator ben sasse said, quote, i m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the word of god as a political prop.
reporter: even pat robertson, prominent televangelist and an ardent supporter of president trump, had harsh words for the president. is seems like now is the time to say, i understand your pain. i want to comfort you, i think it s time we love each other. but the president took a different course. reporter: robertson lambasted the president for threatening to move military troops into american cities unless the nation s governors control the violence. as a matter of fact he spoke of them being jerks. you just don t do that, mr. president. it isn t cool. jon, i know you were in the motorcade witnessing the protesters and signs. and a former president now weighing in? reporter: former president george w. bush with a powerful statement that condemns the
brutal suffocation of george floyd. he does not mention president trump by name, but he does express support for the protesters. saying those that set out to silence the voices do not understand the meaning of america, or how it becomes a better place. that s president george w. bush tonight. david? jon, thanks. there are massive gatherings tonight in houston as well. george floyd died in his adopted city of minneapolis, but he grew up in houston. among those gathering today, the mayor and chief of police. marcus moore is there tonight. reporter: in houston, a sea of humanity. a wave of emotion. i can t breathe! reporter: hope that the healing can begin. we want justice for floyd. and i m a black mother and i heard his cry and it hurt me to my heart. reporter: tens of thousands marchi a i me i just feel like there s
something powerful going on right now. something that should have gone on a long time ago. the crowd has doubled in size. reporter: the march, supported by city officials and organized with help from local rappers bun b and trae tha truth. truth, a longtime friend of floyd. this scene coming a day after floyd s brother terrence visited the minneapolis intersection where george floyd took his last breath. i need you and pops to watch over me. reporter: floyd died may 25th. he d worked in minnesota as a security guard. buheas a child of houston s third ward, where a new mural now bears his image and reads, forever breathing in our hearts. he was a star tight end on the yates high school football team. and he was a four to 6-year-old gianna. this is the proof that he was
a good man. reporter: there are services this week in minneapolis and north carolina. floyd s funeral is set for tuesday here in houston. the family s attorney says vice president joe biden is expertct to attend. the former vice president speaking out today about president trump, the scene in front of st. john s church. and biden s promise to americans in this time. here s mary bruce. reporter: tonight, the tale of two leaders. tonight, biden taking on the president. the country is crying out for leadership. leadership that can recognize pain and deep grief of communities that have had a knee on their neck for a long time. reporter: biden calling on leaders to confront systemic
racism. and blasting trump for that bible photo op. i just wish he opened it once in a while instead of brandishing it. if he opened it, he could have learned something. reporter: biden speaking of his own loss, a parent losing a son. i know what it means to have that black hole in your chest where your grief is being sucked into it. reporter: tonight, biden is calling on congress to ban choke holds and vowing to establish a national police oversight commission. donald trump has turned this country into a battlefield driven by old resentments and fresh fears. he thinks division helps him. his narcissism has become more important than the nation s well-being that he leads. reporter: and biden s promise, less than six months from the election. i promise you this, i won t traffic in fear and division. i won t fan the flames of hate. i ll seek to heal the racial wounds that have long plagued our country, not use them for political gain.
reporter: this was biden s first public address in months. but as the country opens back up, we can expect to see more of biden on the campaign trail. they say just look at the poll numbers, showing biden on the rise. mary, thank you. we re also following a developing headline out of atlanta tonight. six atlanta police officers have been charged for using excessive force against two college students. video showed police officers dragging them from their car and using tasers on them. here s steve osunsami. reporter: the six officers accused of using excessive force have until friday to turn themselves in. in the middle of the chaos that was tearing through downtown atlanta saturday night. okay, okay, okay jnchs reporter: and in pictures now viewed across the world, the ce
stun gun at two college students and dragging them out of a car. messiah young and taniah pilgrim were out after the new curfew, explaining that they were just getting something to eat when they got stuck in traffic during a protest. i actually thought both me and messiah were going to die, like, the way everything happened so fast, there was no telling what could happen in the next moment. this just needs to cease. reporter: young was initially charged with trying to elude police officers, charged dropped by the mayor. two officers have already been fired. steve, thank you. as we continue to report on a country in pain, we re going to take a pause later tonight on abc to try to begin a conversation hopefully with your help at home. i hope you ll join robin, byron, and me for an abc news special, america in pain, what comes next?
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building a better bay area for safe and secure future, this is abc7 news. protests continue across the bay area this afternoon in the wake of the death of george floyd. sky 7 live over a protest that is under way right now in redwood city. this is at the redwood city hall. in fact, the crowd just gathered there. it looks to be maybe a couple hundred people so far. many businesses in redwood cityt storronts, just to protect against possible looting if things get out of hand later on. curfew in san mateo county is set for 8:30 tonight. the mayor of redwood city, diane howard said she was planning on attending this event and was confident that things would remain peaceful. with that, good afternoon, thanks for joining us. i m larry beil. and i m kristen sze. protesters held up their fists in solidarity in marin city. the peaceful protest included speakers like tuberculosis s san francisco, hdreds of
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this is bbc news, the headlines. disturbances broke out overnight in the us city of atlanta after a black man is shot dead by white police officers. his family s lawyer spoke officers. his family s lawyer spoke of his frustration. i don t even know what justice of his frustration. i don t even know whatjustice is any more and i have been doing this for 15 years. more than 100 people are arrested after a day of violent clashes in central london involving some far right activists. the uk prime minister, borisjohnson, right activists. the uk prime minister, boris johnson, orders right activists. the uk prime minister, borisjohnson, orders a review of the two metre social
distancing role in england after calls to scrap it. remembering the 72 people who died in the grenfell tower fire. in london three years ago matt lucas and david walliams apologise for the use of blackface make up in the comedy series little britain. tourists start returning to venice as restrictions are eased, but locals demand limits on numbers. hello and welcome if you re watching in the uk or around the world and stay with us for the latest news and analysis from here and across the globe. our top story there has been another night of unrest in the united states as racial tensions and anger at police brutality continue to grow following the killing of another black man, rayshard brooks, by police in the city of atlanta. police fired tear gas when protesters blocked a major road
and set fire to a drive through restaurant where the killing of rayshard brooks took place on friday. one of the two white policemen involved has been sacked, and atla nta s police chief has resigned. atlanta is one of many us cities to have seen protests since the killing last month of george floyd by police in minneapolis. cctv footage of the incident shows mr brooks fleeing on foot from police after a scuffle with officers in the restaurant car park. local investigators claim that mr brooks had failed an alcohol test, and obtained one of the officer s tasers as he fled. moments later, he was fatally shot. in the aftermath, police fired tear gas when protesters blocked a major road and set fire to the restaurant where the killing took place, as protests continued late into the night. here s the latest from rich preston. and a warning, this story contains some distressing pictures. crowds got angrier through the night here in atlanta after news
of the death of another black man at the hands of american police officers. that anger spilled onto the streets. the fast food restaurant next to the scene of the killing was set alight. major highways were blocked. police say mr brooks failed a sobriety test and resisted arrest. they say he was able to get one of the officer s tasers, and tried to use it against him. they responded with live ammunition. the killing comes amid a global wave of lack lives matter protest. the killing comes amid a global wave of black lives matter protests. the officer involved has been fired. while there may be debate as to whether this was an appropriate use of deadly force, i firmly believe that there is a clear distinction between what you can do and what you should do. i do not believe that this was a justified use of deadly force. the city s police chief has resigned, but it s unlikely that will placate these people who say racism is built into american society.
the officers need to be arrested and it s not ok, it s not ok that every day i have to wake up and learn a new name, new hashtag, a new life that was lost because of the injustice that america has for a system that was built in the 1600s. i could say we wantjustice but i don t even care anymore, i don t know even what that is, and i ve been doing this for 15 years. i don t know what justice is anymore. is it getting them arrested, is it getting somebody fired, is it a chief stepping down? i know that this isn tjustice, what s happening in society right now. what young black people see is the continued drumbeat of injustice instead of a drumbeat towards justice. of course they feel disenfranchised. two or three of the motions that come from sustained
oppression are apathy and despondency. around a third of people in georgia are african american. despite the black lives matter movement, they see american society as built against them and they fear for their future. richard preston, bbc news. here in the uk. more than 100 people were arrested during yesterday s violent demonstrations in central london involving far right groups. they were detained for offences including violent disorder, breach of the peace and possessing weapons. six police officers were injured. the prime minister described the attacks on police as racist thuggery. sean dilley has this report. thousands of people join protests, despite calls from police to stay at home. many were peaceful, but violent clashes soon broke out. police officers were attacked throughout the day as they attempted to keep distance between anti racism and far right groups. a barrage of missiles were launched at them.
in whitehall, the crowd pushed their way through and tried to attack photographers. the prime minister, borisjohnson, condemned the minority of protesters on twitter. he said: the individuals that are basically putting the safety of our police officers and the safety of the public at risk will expect to face the full force of the law. people from a variety of backgrounds turned out as self proclaimed protectors of statues after winston churchill s monument was damaged last week. this protester told us he felt british history under attack. come on. i mean, he had some racist views but, at the end of the day, he led us through our darkest hour. i mean, i m from south london, i ve grown up with black people. we are all working class, live side by side.
nobody here is an issue with blm. police are investigating this incident outside parliament. the memorial is to pc keith palmer, who was killed the 2017 westminster terror attacks. 0utside waterloo station, police stepped in to quell scuffles. across the day, six officers were injured, protesters too. this man, carried to safety by another protester. the violence in part of the capital contrast with other areas where protests were largely peaceful. sean dilley, bbc news. we can speak to a military veteran, colour sergeant trevor coult, who in 2006 received the military cross the third highest military decoration awarded to officers in the british armed forces. he was in westminster yesterday to protest peacefully. thank you for being with us, why did
you go to those protests? what were you go to those protests? what were you trying to achieve given there is a health emergency, given the police and government had urged people to stay away. thank you. i went because ifiam stay away. thank you. i went because if i am honestly false reporting that has been happening in the media with what has been going on. yesterday was a day, a ring of steel around the cenotaph. we spoke to and got on with the police. they told us it was an illegal gathering, we knew that and we walked on. they were relaxed and then they went to the crowd. this involved police barricading off football fans. those causing the problems yesterday we re those causing the problems yesterday were certainly not veterans. the
metropolitan police said this is going to get violent. they marched away peacefully. what happened next was uncalled for. i can assure you that it was a football fans yesterday actually were disgusted and they left. can ijust ask yesterday actually were disgusted and they left. can i just ask you why you felt the need to go there, as you say to protect statues, but the statues were already ordered up. the police say it is theirjob to protect statues, it is not yourjob. you are 100% right but if that is the case why did we see last week the case why did we see last week the police and watching people swinging off the cenotaph and trying to set fire to the union flag? at that in anywhere else in the uk, police officers would not let them burn ourflag. asking
police officers would not let them burn our flag. asking why police officers would not let them burn ourflag. asking why did police officers would not let them burn our flag. asking why did you 90, burn our flag. asking why did you go, let me make this clear, the cenotaph, to veterans is as secret asa cenotaph, to veterans is as secret as a mosque is to immerse them, a synagogue is to a due. if they are being damaged, and the police, the most cctv to a jewish person. the most cctv to a jewish person. the most cctv to a jewish person. the most cctv road and they cannot identify the identify the people. the prime minister has condemned what he called racist thuggery, the home secretary has condemned what she called shameless scenes. you condemn that violence as well? 100%. that condemn that violence as well? 10096. that was nothing to do with football fans, nothing to do with veterans. i
can assure you , fans, nothing to do with veterans. i can assure you, they were people who joined the demonstration, britain first and edl, scumbags who do not represent society, veterans and the values of football fans. it was disgusting. thank you. wow. thank you for doing that interview with us. in france there have been clashes between protesters and police in several cities. demonstrators are demanding an end to racism in french society. police fired tear gas after crowds threw fireworks and bottles. gail maclellan has this report. the demonstrations were most intense in the capital, paris, but also took place in marseille, nice and leon. in the capital around 15,000
gathered. they say the supposed glory of the republic doesn t apply to black people. rallies which started peacefully intensified. some protesters threw fireworks, bottles and paving stones with responded. 0fficials and paving stones with responded. officials say more than 20 people we re officials say more than 20 people were arrested, including 12 far right activist who draped a white wives matter banner from an apartment block. the global wave of protests against racism were sparked in america, and parallels were drawn to an incident here. the death of adama traore. to an incident here. the death of adama traore. .. what happened to george floyd is exactly the same as
what happened to my little brother. people are dying. there are frequent allegations of excessive force. police say they will take a zero tolerance feed to racism and law enforcement and have banned restra i ns enforcement and have banned restrains voucher codes. police unions denied racism is rampant within the ranks. many people say once the fog has lifted, much will need to be done to address systemic racism in french society. boris johnson has ordered a review of the two metre social distancing rule in england. business leaders and some of mrjohnson‘s own mps have warned large parts of the hospitality industry will not survive if the rules aren t relaxed. the review will aim to be completed by the 11th ofjuly, the earliest date when pubs and restaurants might open in england. the recommended distance you should leave between you and other people varies from country to country. all four nations of the uk
observe the 2 metre rule, as do spain and canada. it drops to one and a half metres if you are in australia, italy and germany. and then falls to a metre if you are in china, france or singapore. the official guidance from the world health 0rganisation says leave at least a metre between yourself and others to prevent the spread of coronavirus. but the uk government s scientific advisers say that being one metre apart carries up to 10 times the risk of being two metres apart. with me is our political correspondent, jessica parker with all that in mind,, this has been a difficult one for the government for some time now. but some pressure on borisjohnson and his cabinet to reduce the two metre rule. you probably heard this week borisjohnson has talked about keeping this two metre rule under co nsta nt keeping this two metre rule under constant review as he has come under pressure on the issue. he seems to have moved now to a formal review, the differences there is this date
by which the review needs to report back to, july four, when hospitality begins to reopen. scientists as we have heard have been clear in england the further apart you are, the less likely you are to catch the virus. we will also hearfrom economists as the hospitality industry have made it clear that restau ra nts, industry have made it clear that restaurants, bars are concerned about the two metre rule. why? if you are two metres apart, you can fit fewer people into your venues, make less money and this industry has been hard hit by lockdown because business has had to shut for many weeks. this morning on sky, the home secretary was asked whether he supports the reduction. it should be introduced if the evidence indicates it should be. this is where we need to be careful. the public health position and the health of the economy go together. there is no
point seeing them in conflict. if the government eased lockdown too quickly, moved to one metre without there being scientific advice backing that, you would end up with a second peak which would cause even greater economic damage. my message to the government is to be vigilant, be cautious, approach this in a structured way and publish the evidence so we can all see it. that is the labour opposition, some conservative mps putting pressure on borisjohnson conservative mps putting pressure on boris johnson saying conservative mps putting pressure on borisjohnson saying you do not need a review, just get on with it and drop the two metre row. iain duncan smith has questioned the need for a review. saying whatever distance you wa nt to review. saying whatever distance you want to go for, ultimately it is a politicaljudgment. boris want to go for, ultimately it is a political judgment. boris johnson might buy himself some time with this formal review but if we are looking at your life or for hospitality, there is not lots of time. it is a balance of risk ultimately and it is the prime
minister s job ultimately and it is the prime minister sjob to ultimately and it is the prime minister s job to weigh that up. (pres) leading psychologists say the delay in getting children and adolescents back to schools here in the uk is a national disaster that is putting their mental health at risk. in an open letter to the education secretary, gavin williamson, signed by one hundred specialists in mental health, they say the isolation of lockdown is harming already vulnerable young people. and they urge the government to reconsider its decision and release children and young people from lockdown. today marks three years since the grenfell towerfire in london. to mark the anniversary, people in the uk are being urged to illuminate their homes with green lights to remember the 72 people who died. church bells will also sound across london. the grenfell united campaign group says the fight for safe homes and justice continues, as our correspondent rajini vaidya nathan reports. the faces of those who died
in a tragedy which exposed some of the deep inequalities in our society. each story of loss is as painful today as it was three years ago. hesham rahman lived alone on the 23rd floor. his family say marking this anniversary during a pandemic is especially tough. we are still going the grieving process and the rest of the country right now is grieving because of covid, and people have lost family and friends ahead of their time and we are grieving with them, and covid brought a lot of bad emotions for us, especially for how things were after the fire because there were a lot of similarities, being glued to the tv, listening to the number of deaths rising every day. the fire began on the fourth floor after a ridge caught fire. after a fridge caught fire. a public enquiry blamed cheap combustible cladding on the building for its rapid spread. later the prime minister will deliver a message at a virtual memorial service where he will pledge to ensure a tragedy like grenfell never happens again. but a government target to remove flammable cladding on high rises
by this month has yet to be met. about 2000 tower blocks in england alone are still potentially at risk. three years later, it s really frustrating that we re still talking about removing this cladding. it s just.the government keep making this announcement, but it materialising and actually happening is a completely different story. in one of london s wealthiest areas, some of its poorest weren t protected. grenfell tower has been described as a monument to inequality. what happened here three years ago is as relevant today as it was then. rajini vaidyanathan, bbc news. a uk government statement described the fire as a devastating tragedy , and said they re determined to ensure it can never happen again. the statement added: that s why we re providing £1.6 billion to ensure unsafe cladding is removed from high rise buildings as soon
as possible, while also bringing forward the biggest legislative changes to building safety in a generation. we ll also shortly announce new measures to drive up standards in social housing and give tenants the stronger voice they deserve. let s get some of the day s other news. militants killed at least 20 soldiers and more than a0 civilians and injured hundreds in twin attacks in nigeria s borno state, on the country s northeast border, in the town of monguno, near lake chad. according to reports, the fighters were armed with heavy weaponry including rocket launchers when they arrived in the town, a hub for international non governmental organizations. chile, argentina, peru and colombia have reported a record number of covid 19 infections in the past 2a hours. argentina imposed strict quarantine measures nearly three months ago, but the number of cases has risen since it started easing restrictions.
the worst affected country in latin america is still brazil, where 850 more people have died since friday. a swedish tv network has dropped a judge from its popular talent show after he repeatedly criticised the black lives matter movement. thousands of people had signed a petition calling for alexander bard to be sacked by tv ii. in one tweet, he said he was disgusted by the movement, saying it had become deranged. he also called activists self appointed victims and an idiotic lynch mob . one of the industries that s been hit hardest by the coronavirus lockdown is tourism. borders have been closed and people have been unable to travel so a holiday has been out of the question. in many places restrictions are now being eased but some, in italy, are calling for restraint as tim allman explains.
venice is not open for business. at least that s the message these venetians want you to hear. a human chain and a giant banner stretched out over one of the city s famous canals. the people here calling for responsible tourism. an end to the mass invasion that comes every summer. visitors are already returning. the famous doge s palace has reopened its doors. but locals are calling for quality, not necessarily quantity. we hope to have, in the future, slow tourism. slow tourism. this is very important. it means not less tourism, but better, good organisation. this is the first thing. around 30 million people visit venice each year, a city with a native population of little more than 50,000. many only come for the day, bringing little income to the local economy.
and residents say many neighbourhoods are being ruined by landlords who turn rental properties into holiday lets, pricing out those who live here. then there s the cruise ships. larger vessels were banned from parts of the city after this crash last summer. their absence and then the lockdown has meant cleaner waterways, a cleaner venice. but that s the dilemma. these people need tourism, but they don t want too much. are they protesting against the one thing that will get venice back on its feet? tim allman, bbc news. the stars of the uk comedy little britain have apologised for their portrayal of other races in their tv series. david walliams and matt lucas used blackface make up in some of their sketches. the show has been removed from several streaming services. with me is our correspondent, andy moore.
what are they saying? these are some of the latest programmes to be reassessed in the wake of the black wives matter protest. little britain from 2003-2008 wives matter protest. little britain from 2003 2008 have been removed from 2003 2008 have been removed from bbc iplayer, netflix, britbox and so has come fly with me. in near identical tweets, matt lucas said david and i have spoken publicly about regret about playing characters of other races in recent yea rs. playing characters of other races in recent years. it was wrong, we are sorry. society had changed, his own views have evolved. he said he would not black up, make jokes about tra nsvestites not black up, make jokes about transvestites now. he said there was no bad intent there, just wanting to
show off what a diverse bunch of characters they could play. now saying it was lazy for white people to get a laugh by blacking up. it was an enormous hit back in 2003-2008, it is not the was an enormous hit back in 2003 2008, it is not the only comedy show that has come in for criticism, fawlty towers, that came off the u ktv fawlty towers, that came off the uktv network, john cleese reacted angrily. he said we were criticising racism through satire. it was taken off air because a crusty old major made racial slurs against the west
indian cricket team. it has been taken off for now and there may be some language and there are some people may find offensive. under the day of warm sunny spells for most of us and some showers. the cloud has been bubbling up and we have already had some rather persistent crouch near the north sea coast. that s because we still have the easterly drift coming in the north sea, with the most humid air sitting across it. stop in again for some areas through the course of sunday. for many of us, lots of dry, settled, warm weather with big showers growing. the shower sitting near the north sea coast could be stubborn and not clear away. elsewhere after lots of sunshine
first thing, the showers bubble up and come through. not as lengthy for the south east. there will be some heavy showers, potentially midlands, east anglia, some isolated ones for northern ireland and scotland as the cloud burns back to the coast. 11 on the east coast, 22 or 23 in the highlands. there could be squally winds, frequent lightning, hail stones. another warm and humid night, is perhaps in patchy rain coming back into eastern parts of england and scotland. we are seeing the easterly breeze coming in, the low pressure still with us through monday, tuesday, wednesday, means a similar setup. but the detail where the showers will be is quite difficult. there could be more rain coming in during the night ahead
into monday in north east england, scotland, elsewhere scattering of heavy showers, mostly towards the western side of the uk. some coastal areas with low cloud in the north and east. tuesday perhaps a reorientation, more widespread showers into the afternoon, heavy further east, all the time in the event sunny spells it will be warm, temperatures about where they should be for this time of year, the low 20s, unsettled and showery weather continues for most of the day. as ever, more on our website.

this is bbc world news, the headlines: disturbances break out overnight in the us city of atlanta after a black man, rayshard brooks, is shot dead by white police officers. his family s lawyer spoke of his frustration. i don t know whatjustice is and i have been doing this for 15 years. i don t know what justice have been doing this for 15 years. i don t know whatjustice is any more. more than a hundred people are arrested after a day of violent clashes in central london, involving some far right activists. uk prime minister borisjohnson orders a review of the two metre social distancing rule in england, following calls to scrap it. remembering the 72 people who died in the grenfell tower fire in london three years ago matt lucas and david walliams apologise for the use of blackface make up in the comedy series little britain. tourists start returning to venice
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in the american city of minneapolis, to remember the life of george floyd, the 46 year old black man, who s death has sparked several days of protests across the us, and around the world. tens of thousand of people in hong kong have defied a ban to turn out for a vigil on the anniversary of the tiananmen square crackdown. this year s vigil was banned by police citing coronavirus measures. some protesters said they were also standing against china s growing control over hong kong. german prosecutors, who are investigating the disappearance of the british girl madeline mccann say she s presumed dead. they say a jailed sex offender is the prime suspect. named only as christian b, the 43 year old lived in the part of portugal where madeleine was abducted in 2007.
now on, bbc news hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk, i m stephen sackur. in times of crisis we learn plenty about who we really are. so it is that this global coronavirus pandemic is revealing truths about humankind. how we balance self protection against the collective interest. my guest today is the dutch writer and historian, rutger bregman, whose book, humankind: a hopeful history, is making waves across the world. do we humans underestimate our capacity for doing good? theme music plays. rutger bregman, in the netherlands, welcome to hardtalk.
thanks for having me. we are all living in this time of covid 19. it is a global health emergency and, in times of emergency, perhaps we learn more than usual about the nature of human beings. what do you think this pandemic right now is showing us about humanity? i think it is showing us that most people are actually pretty decent and that, especially in the midst of a crisis, people most people at least show their better selves, you know, and you see this explosion of cooperation and altruism. i think that is one of the most important lesson. an explosion of altruism i m just wondering how you process some of the other scenes we have seen of people at times literally fighting to get essential supplies from the shops, we have seen people blaming each other, scapegoating outsiders
for spreading the virus. we have seen lots of very difficult things too. yeah, absolutely and i am not denying any of that. i am just saying that, for every toilet paper hoarder, there are a thousand nurses doing their best to save as many lives as possible, and there are 10,000 people doing their best to stop this virus from spreading further. i think we really have to get away from this old idea that civilization is only a thin veneer and that, as soon as something happens, an earthquake or a disaster or a pandemic, that we reveal our true selfish self. we actually have a lot of evidence from sociology, going back all the way to the 1960s, hundreds and hundreds of case studies, that show that, especially during times of crises, most people start to co operate together, whether they are left wing or right wing, rich, poor, young, old. that s what we see. and i ve just been looking at social media before coming on air with you and i have been noticing the incredibly vitriolic debate there is in the united states now,
between those citizens who want to see society opened up, the economy motoring again, and others who believe that that represents a capitalist instinct to put money before people. regular citizens, on both sides of the argument, are knocking lumps out of each other and we see that all the time on social media. well, you know, twitter and social media is not real life. i think we have to remember that human beings have evolved over thousands of years to communicate with each other on a face to face basis. we have been designed by evolution basically to be friendly to each other. so biologists literally talk about this process of survival of the friendliest, which means that, for thousands of years, it was actually the friendliest among us who had the most kids and so had the biggest chance of passing on their genes to the next generation, and you can see this in our bodies still today. so one very fascinating and peculiar fact about human beings is that we are the only species in the animal kingdom, apart from some parrots, that blush.
we have this ability to just involuntarily give away our feelings to someone else to show that we care about what they think about us. i think that is a very fascinating thing and itjust shows us that we have been designed by evolution to co operate and work together. obviously, if you go on twitter and see all the vitriol there, you may get a different impression but, again, that is not real life. this book of yours which is causing quite a stir around the world, humankind: a hopeful history, it seems to me, in its ambition and its span because it really nods to all of human history, the evolution of civilisation over millennia what it seems to me to be doing really going back to the age old philosophical meditation as to whether human beings are intrinsically good, are sort of born innocent and pure, or whether, within them, within the very human nature, there is something that takes us
toward sin and bad things. is that the fundamental argument that you are wrestling with? i think so, yes. there is this very old idea in western culture, as we talked about, that civilisation is only a thin veneer scientists call it veneer theory and it goes back to the ancient greeks. if you read the greek historian, thucydides, he talks about the plague in athens, for example, or the civil war in corcyra, in his history of the peloponnesian war, and he had this observation that deep down people are just selfish and animals and monsters, and indeed, if you read the early christian church fathers, saint augustine, same idea, the idea that we are born as sinners. and you read the enlightenment philosophers, thomas hobbes, david hume, even adam smith, also often emphasise that in the end people are selfish or at least that politically we have to assume that, when we build a society. and i think that idea is just wrong. it is really fundamentally wrong.
in the past couple of decades, we have seen scientists from diverse disciplines psychologists, sociologists, anthropologists, archaeologists all moving from a quite cynical view of human nature to a much more hopeful view of human nature, and what i am trying doing in this book is just to connect the dots and to show that something bigger is going on there. are you saying far from that that people are basically selfish and bad are you saying that, fundamentally, deep down, people are good? i just want to get that clear. no, absolutely not. we are not angels, we are not fundamentally good. i m saying that most people in the end are pretty decent, which i think is a little bit different, and i m also saying that, what you assume in other people is what you get out of them. so if you assume that most people are selfish and that theyjust want to get as much for themselves as possible, then you will design your society in such a way, you ll create institutions that will bring out the worst in each and every one of us. and i think we have been doing that for the past a0 years.
we have designed schools and marketplaces and organizations we have designed schools and marketplaces and organisations in our democracies in a ways that have not brought out the best in us. i think we can turn that around. our view of human nature can be a self fulfilling prophecy. but we did not design everything from shopping malls to political governance on a whim. we were also listening to behavioural scientists. i am thinking of stanley milgram and others operating out of the top universities in california, who set up experiments trying to figure out whether ordinary people could be persuaded to do bad things, including torture of the other ordinary citizens, and concluded that actually, worryingly, yes, they could be persuaded quite easily. are you debunking and dismissing all of that evidence? well, many of it. you know, i used to believe in all of these experiments. i have written earlier books, that luckily have not been translated into english, about the stanford prison experiment, for example.
it is only recently that i discovered, based on the work of an important french sociologist, thibault le texier, that it is actually a hoax. we all know this experiment about 2k students who were selected to participate in an experiment with a sort of fake prison. 12 were made into guards, i2 prisoners, and philip zimbardo, the researcher, sort of said i willjust sit back and just see what happens. and the story that he told later is that these students, on their own, started behaving in a very horrible way, and the message was obviously there is a monster in each and every one of us, just below the surface, there is a nazi in each and everyone of us. it is only recently that we have learned that actually, philip zimbardo specifically instructed the guards to be as sadistic as possible, that many of those guards said, i do not want to do that, that is not who i am. then he said, look, you are these 60s hippies, liberals, right? you want to reform the prison system in america as well, come on, i need these results,
i need you to behave in a horrible way, then we can go to the press and say, look, this is what prisons do to people. and so some of them went along this became a huge story and it is still in the textbooks of millions students, while in reality it s pretty much a hoax. and i do find that fascinating and you have done a lot of work to debunk some of those theories but your big problem, it seems to me, is that, while you might be able to debunk the ‘60s work which sort of attempted to say is a quasi nazi mentality within all of us, what you can t debunk, because it is just factual, is nazism, genocide, and the holocaust itself, and not even just the german holocaust, but also the genocides we have seen in more recent times, from rwanda to the ethnic cleansing in the balkans and elsewhere. these are realities ordinary people conducted themselves in the most terrible ways and i do not see how that fits
with your fundamental worldview. it would obviously be hubristic to sort of pretend that i can give a sort of short explanation for things that we need libraries of books to understand and maybe we still don t understand it, but i can say this, i believe there is a connection between our capacity for friendliness and our behaviour that sometimes can be so cruel because so often within history we do the most horrible things in the name of comradeship and of friendship. and i think this is sort of the paradox of my book. 0n the one hand i am arguing that people have evolved to be friendly and to work together but then on the other hand sometimes it is exactly the problem because friendly behaviour can morph into tribal behaviour and groupish behaviour. and then people find it hard to go against a group and against the status quo and they start doing these horrible things. but are you not. but that is just one part of the explanation, obviously there are many other mechanisms at play here.
but with what you have just said, are you not coming dangerously close to being an apologist for the mass ranks of hitler s armed forces who committed atrocities? and you might say, oh, well, we have to understand them because, frankly, most of them were simply motivated by comradeship and wanting to defend their brothers and look after themselves that is not good enough, is it? i think it is certainly a danger. i think you are right about that. i think we have to be really careful and make a difference between sort of trying to understand certain behaviour and condoning it. it is the same with the debate about terrorism. we have a genuine responsibility to understand what drives terrorists, why they blow themselves up. and here again you have the same dynamic that often they do it in the name of comradeship and of friendship, and that, especially the foot soldiers, are not that ideologically motivated, they often know very little actually about the ideology. we have had reports from people going to syria with books in their bags
like the quran for dummies. but still they do these horrible things. again, you know, it is absolutely not about condoning, but it is about understanding what is going on here because that is the only way to prevent it, i think. i want to spend a little bit of time on the flip side of your argument not challengingly you with all of the evils that we have seen in recent human history but actually getting you to explain why you think one of your anecdotes in the book, humankind, is so very important and that is the anecdote about what happened to half a dozen tongan teenagers, living in a remote island on the south pacific, when they decided one night to escape from a school that they did not like. they climbed into a boat, took off into the pacific ocean. found themselves in a storm, shipwrecked, and then on a deserted, very tiny island, where they proceeded to live for the next year and more, on their own, with no contact with the outside world and, far from any sort of lord of the flies scenario,
where they ripped themselves apart, you say all the evidence suggests they lived cooperatively, they cared for each other and, when they were eventually discovered, they were in very good shape. it is a fascinating story but does it really tell us anything about the human condition? well, maybe not. it is obviously not a scientific experiment and that would be very hard, to drop lots of kids on islands and have control groups, etc, and then to judge and study how they behave. i am just saying that, if millions of people around the globe still have to read lord of the flies in school, and they often become quite pessimistic and cynical after reading it. i mean, i remember reading it when i was 16 and i was depressed for a week afterwards. i am just saying that let s also tell them about the one time that we know of in world history that real kids, shipwrecked on a real island, and it is the most happy story you can imagine. they lived there for 15 months, they cooperated really well,
and they became the best of friends. actually, the captain who rescued them, an australian captain named peter warner, is still soulmates with one of the boys, who is now 70 years old, mano totau. i mean, if it would be movie, a hollywood movie, people would say, oh, this is so sentimental, this is not how people would really behave, this is worse than love actually but it is what really happened. 0n hardtalk we talk to a lot of sort of public intellectuals, big thinkers with big ideas about the way we human beings organise our societies today and i m thinking of the recent past where we have interviewed yuval noah harari and steven pinker, and these are thinkers who fundamentally i think believe in a notion of human progress. steven pinker, in particular, will make a point of saying you might think things are bad today, we focus on the wars, we focus on the bad stuff, but actually human beings are living in the best of times.
there is more security, better education, more relief from poverty than there has ever been in human history before. and he would say that is because we are evolving better ways of running our societies. your message, although you are an optimist about the human condition, seems to be that we are actually not discovering better ways to run our societies, and you seem in some ways anti progress. well, i m absolutely not. we have made extraordinary progress in the last couple of decades, moral progress, technological progress. if you would chose any time to live, it would be now. what i am just saying is that we got the history of civilisation all wrong. steven pinker paints a picture of our history in which supposedly everything was worse, when we were nomadic hunter gatherers, which we were for 95% of our history, we were raging these tribal wars that is sort of the pessimistic view. what i am trying to show in the book is that actually civilisation was,
for most of our history, a big disaster. it started the age of warfare, of patriarchy, of hierarchy, of infection diseases like we are dealing with right now. and actually the lives of nomadic hunter gatherers were much healthier and happier and more relaxed than the lives of the city dwellers and the farmers who came after it. but how on earth. ..and why do we remember this because obviously we have made a lot of progress in the last couple of decades. how can you posit that the cave dwellers and the hunter gatherers were a happy people living in a state of sort of pure innocence? you have no idea! they had not left written record and you are just sort of imposing some sort of quasi religious world view upon this sort of age of innocence, aren t you? no, i m not. it is obviously hard to know how our ancestors lived 30,000 years ago. but we do have two important sources. so we have what anthropologists have studied. you know, tribes who lived
in the 19th or the 20th century and who still lived as nomadic hunter gatherers, and you can look if there are similarities in the way they live, and you ll discover, for example, that they have these really egalitarian societies, a relaxed lifestyle, a work week of around 20 30 hours, they are healthier than farmers as well, for example. and you can obviously also study the archaeological records. now, you are absolutely right, nomadic hunter gatherers did not leave much behind but, if there was really some kind of war against all going on in our deep past, then you would be expected that at some point some artists in the stone age would have said, you know what? i am making a cave painting out of that. but we have not found any there is nothing like that. we have a lot of cave paintings but not about war between people. then we settled down, we became sedentary about 12,000 years ago, we started doing agriculture, and you find a lot of these cave paintings that are very suggestive and that there is also the evidence we have from excavation, skeletal remains you can study that.
most experts in the field, most archaeologists and anthropologists believe that war has not been with us forever. and has really been an invention. it s just that these people did not get a lot of attention in the press because they are not telling us this dark story. i think it s often seen as more boring. i am just now wondering what all of this means for rutger bregman‘s analysis of where we are today? you paint this picture of a sort of idyllic prehistory, where hunter gatherers lived in a more pure sort of human condition what does that lead you to conclude about the state of capitalism, for example, today? you have written a lot about what you believe to be the inadequacy of capitalist systems, the failure to deliver any sort of equality orjustice to ordinary people. so what are you suggesting,
that we all find our inner caveman? if you look at the model that we have had for the last a0 years, neoliberal capitalism, i think the central dogma has been that most people are selfish and so we designed our institutions around that. and i think the results have not been good. we have had an epidemic of loneliness and anxiety and burn outs, and it is also not a great way to deal with the pandemic we are in right now. so what i hope, and i am not predicting this, it is just what i hope but it is a possibility, is that we could now move to a new age with different values and a more realistic view of human nature, where we rely more on our ability to co operate and to have this kind of solidarity, that is what i hope. you are a sort of latter day marxist, an idealist who.? no, actually, really the opposite. marx was convinced that history was driven by material forces
and that ideas were just, well, who cares about the ideas that was just the superstructure. i believe in the power of ideas. i really think that ideas that are often dismissed as unreasonable or unrealistic, that will never happen , can over time move from the margin to the mainstream. and that is what i think has been happening actually, since the financial crash of 2008. now we are discussing ideas, like universal basic income, higher taxes on the wealthy, a more powerful state, that is really willing to invest in our future. that is moving into the mainstream. if you ve seen the financial times editorial, for example, the beginning of april, even there, really changing their mind right now. so i am not a marxist at all, i believe in ideas. itjust seems there are some internal contradictions that we are teasing out even in this conversation because, a minutes ago or a few minutes ago, you said that, like steven pinker, you think this is the best time ever for human beings to be alive and in so many different ways, yet you re also telling me that
for the last a0 years you think human beings and their developed capitalist societies have taken a series of wrong turns can both be true at the same time? yeah, i think so. historically speaking, this is one of the best times to be alive but we can do so much better. i don t see any contradiction here. and then obviously, also the big question we have with our current model is, is it sustainable? we have got the massive extinction of species around the globe, we ve got global warming. even if we are having a relatively good time right now, that is an important question to ask, is it sustainable? yeah, and i am just looking at, for example, the words of sir angus deaton, one of britain s most respected economists, saying, i am still a great believer in what capitalism has done, not only for the off sited billions who have been pulled out of poverty, as we ve discussed, but to all the rest of us who ve also escaped poverty and deprivation over the last two and a half centuries.
this is progressive and it is real. i would agree with that as well. i am a little bit bored with all those old debates from the cold war in the ‘80s about capitalism versus socialism, and the market versus the state. i just think that capitalism has been underperforming quite a bit in the last couple of decades and it could do so much better. it is all about saving capitalism, it s about reforming capitalism. if you look at the ‘50s, for example, and ‘60s, we had much higher growth, much higher rates of innovation, and also much higher taxes on the wealthy. i think that often, taxes on the wealthy, for example, often let our societies function better so there can be more fundamental research and innovation etc. it is a year and a half pretty much since you went to davos and rather famously lectured a whole bunch of billionaires that philanthropy really was not the answer to any of the world s problems, it was all about taxation and the rich paying much more in terms of tax to genuinely redistribute wealth in society.
not much has really changed since then. perhaps you think that the crisis and the emergency that surrounds us with coronavirus may be the trigger for some fundamental change that was not on cards before. is that the way you see things? yes, absolutely and i think that actually quite a bit has changed. the window of political possibility has really been moving. people could say, oh, but corbyn lost the election, and sanders lost the election yes or the primaries that is absolutely true and it would be nice if progressives sometime get their act together and win an election for once, i mean, that would be nice. but then, if you look at the kind of ideas that are increasing in power look atjoe biden‘s tax plan, for example. it is twice as radical as hillary clinton s tax plan of 2016. if you look at his climate plan, it is actually more radical than bernie sanders‘ climate plan of 2016. things are really shifting but you can only see that
if you zoom out a little bit. rutger bregman, we have to end there, we have to zoom out completely, but it has been a pleasure having you on hardtalk. thank you very much indeed. thanks for having me. hello there. the warm and sunny days at the start of the week feel like a distant memory now as it s turning to cooler, more unsettled to end the week. friday into the weekend will be cool and showery, longer spells of rain in the north. it s also going to turn unusually windy for this time of year as well. the culprit is this area of low pressure which has continued to deepenjust to the northeast of scotland. it will continue to push
in during the course of friday, bring some persistent rain across the north. further south, the winds picking up. it will be a blustery day for all. with sunny spells but also blustery showers. some of these will be heavy and thundery at times, too. those winds gusting 30 a0 miles an hour. further north, a0 50 miles an hour, even stronger than that by the end of the day and this rain will become persistent and heavy across the north and northeast of scotland. don t be surprised as well with these sorts of temperatures of only around 9 degrees, you could see a little bit of snow in fact on the mountaintops of scotland. further south, around the mid teens celsius. we could just make 17 degrees across the extreme south. now, as we move through friday night, it stays blustery, further showers at times. the rain in the north begins to push southwards into northern ireland and into northern england, north wales. those temperatures falling to lows of around 6 8 degrees. area of low pressure still with us moving very slowly southwards on saturday. again, a real squeeze in the isobars particularly central and western
parts of the country. so in fact we are likely to see gales through friday night and into saturday as that area of low pressure slowly moves southwards across the country. we could see gusts of 60 miles an hour which could give rise to some disruptions, particularly strong for this time of year. thursday, area of low pressure spiralling off the east coast of england bringing further bands of rain or showers. again, some of these will be heavy and thundery. further rain pushing into northern scotland but a little bit of a temperature recovery in the north. highs of 17 degrees there, in fact. mid to high teens further south. on sunday, a little bit quieter. 0ur area of low pressure weakening stilljust to the east of england. so, it looks like eastern parts of england could see most of the rain whereas further west will be a bit drier with a little bit of brightness breaking through. the winds will be later. so, it will feel that touch warmer across the board. as we head on into next week, looks like we will start off rather cloudy and cool, mainly dry. but the winds will be light and then if anything, it looks like high pressure will start to build back in through the week.


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