facing a flood of cheap chinese cars, europe s expected to raise tariffs on electric vehicles today. apple investors push its value up to record highs following its foray into the world of ai. we ll look ahead to the uk s latest economic data as april s gdp data is released. will it spur a bank of england rate cut? plus, supplies are squeezed for the makers of orange juice with prices going up due to extreme weather and disease. welcome to business today. we start in europe, where china is accused of drawing upon surplus capacity to dump electric vehicles at artificially low prices into the european market. policymakers in europe and the united states claim hefty state subsidies in china allow ev manufacturers to produce cars at prices that are impossible to compete with. in the us the biden administration raised its tariff on imports of chinese battery powered cars from 25% to 100%. later today, the european commission is expected to provisionally raise duties on ev s imported from china from the standard level of 10% for third country imports to between 20% and 25%. here s some background from david waddell. there is a growing tussle between electric vehicle manufacturers in china, europe and the united states. in recent months tesla has been forced to cut the prices of its vehicles and of its self driving software. that is because it is facing stiff competition from the likes of china s biggest ev producer byd, another growing competitors. manufacturers want to start not only to their own domestic market but also explored. byd wants to sell to the united states and tesla wants to sell into china. there is human mask trying to smooth feathers on a recent trip to beijing. we see now the spectre of protectionism. china stands accused of unfairly subsidising its own producers. one way or another european consumers are faced with a choice and it includes expensive electric vehicles from the eu or cheap imports from china. i got into a report by this with bank ubs published in september, byd could produce cars at about 25% less than the legacy global carmakers. last month the us took decisive action, but meditation raised tariffs on imports of china s cars 25% to 100%. part imports of china s cars 25% to ioo%. part of a wider package of measures targeting imports from china. beijing condemned as naked protectionism. russell seems poised to take similar action. brussels. and tariffs could hurt european companies as well. for example, bmw is building its ix3 electric suv at a factory in dadong, to be exported to europe. the company also intends to import large quantities of chinese made electric minis. let s cross live now to anna marie baisden, head of autos & infrastructure research at bmi, a fitch solutions company. always good to see you. this is complicated. girly europe is fighting back as was the us. yes. we expect whatever tariffs are introduced will be something much more moderate than the us because trade is much more of a 2 way street between the ee and china than it is between china and the us. chinese imports to the us are actually very small. 100% is no good to have as much of an impact. whereas the european brands really don t want the eu to cause any kind of retaliation from china that would make it difficult for them to then export the chinese market which is still important. there are some european brands actually importing from china themselves. it has been a good balancing act for the eu.- balancing act for the eu. there seems to balancing act for the eu. there seems to be balancing act for the eu. there seems to be a balancing act for the eu. there seems to be a problem - balancing act for the eu. there seems to be a problem with i balancing act for the eu. there | seems to be a problem with the audio but let s persevere. you may want to move your microphone or something like that because we are getting a bit of interference. to say as far as europe is concerned, this is a very important relationship for europe and some key economies in europe. china is an important market. a difficult balancing act between putting tariffs on goods such as electric vehicles and not burning bridges with china. absolutely. given that we have seen growth slowing in china which is one of the reasons, you mentioned the excess capacity for the chinese brands and the fact they are looking for other nuggets to now target. still very important, especially volume terms. the biggest market out there and still important for these brands to have a foothold. in terms of demand for electric vehicles in europe, what is that looking like in the moment? it is slowing down. this is another risk from all brands, european, chinese. we have seen a move away from electric towards hybrid. that is a big change for everyone in the market. obviously with the pricing the waiters, consumers who choose electric are likely to move towards these cheaper brands and it is why we start to cbe you take on more of a stance against this now. what i euro ean stance against this now. what i european governments - stance against this now. what i european governments doing i stance against this now. what i | european governments doing to try and help their car sectors as they transition to electric vehicles? as they transition to electric vehicles? ~ . , ,., vehicles? we have seen some companies vehicles? we have seen some companies actually, vehicles? we have seen some companies actually, some - companies actually, some countries rather, state national policies won t apply to chinese brands. there is certainly a belief among automakers that the eu as a whole could do more as far as your european support. something that helps brands as much as it does punish chinese brands. ~ ., . much as it does punish chinese brands. ~ . . , brands. we will watch this s - ace. brands. we will watch this space. good brands. we will watch this space. good to brands. we will watch this space. good to talk- brands. we will watch this space. good to talk to - brands. we will watch this | space. good to talk to you, thank you for your time this morning. let s stay with news coming out of china. latest inflation numbers. consumer inflation in the worlds second biggest economy held steady at an annual rate of 0.3% in the month of may. but the concern still is about what is happening in factories. the producer price index, which measures changes in the price of industrial products, contracted one point 4% year on year that is slightly worse than expected, still a marked improvement on april s 2.5% decline. live now to louise loo, senior economist at oxford economics. lovely to see you again. what are you reading from these numbers we have had today about how china is doing? how china is doing? today s numbers how china is doing? today s numbers are how china is doing? today s numbers are broadly - how china is doing? today s numbers are broadly in - how china is doing? today s numbers are broadly in line| numbers are broadly in line with what markets are expecting. china is a low inflation environment. what that suggests is for the rest of this year, at least when it comes to prices on short, we are likely to see a little bit of a u shaped recovery, it has been bottoming out for quite a while. the numbers you mentioned are slightly better than what it was a month ago. much of that is based on for, we cannot extrapolate improvements on short and we know it locally that there are depressed discounts happening. given the weak domestic demand and brands are still trying to push out to the consumer. china is viewed as push out to the consumer. china is viewed as the push out to the consumer. china is viewed as the factory - push out to the consumer. china is viewed as the factory of - push out to the consumer. china is viewed as the factory of the i is viewed as the factory of the world and has been for some time. what does it mean this construction we are seen? it is improvement but not significant improvement. is that because of less experts going out of china? is it because of domestic demand being weak? what is happening? domestic demand being weak? what is happening? demand has been uuite what is happening? demand has been quite weak what is happening? demand has been quite weak and what is happening? demand has been quite weak and so - what is happening? demand has been quite weak and so far- what is happening? demand has been quite weak and so far what| been quite weak and so far what has been driving the going forward as exports. we know we re heading into the peak tariff risk season for china. might potentially see tariffs coming out of eu letter today. many see more momentum behind us tariffs. i think export resiliency we have been seeing so far this year is likely to really fade away quickly. which means the company s onshore when it comes to produce a prius indices, we might see a lot more downward pressure going forward than upward recovery many are expecting. i recovery many are expecting. i was talking to anne marie about the potential you referred to of tariffs on electric vehicles put on from europe today. what impact do you think that will have in your opinion? the quantity have in your opinion? the quantity of have in your opinion? the quantity of tariffs - have in your opinion? the quantity of tariffs will - have in your opinion? tie: quantity of tariffs will be small which is good news for the chinese. it is a big market and it will prompt some level of retaliatory measures from the chinese especially on them might potentially raise tariffs, we know they are picking up tariffs on eu motor levels. when it is attracting some pushback from european carmakers. the leaders of european car manufacturers. there is a balancing act the eu leaders have 2 way up against. when it comes to some of the tariffs forcibly the end result is we might see a smaller more politically significant tariff but not so much economically damaging. but not so much economically damaging- but not so much economically damauain. , ., damaging. give your take on the latest news damaging. give your take on the latest news out damaging. give your take on the latest news out of damaging. give your take on the latest news out of china. - latest news out of china. thank you for your take. let s get some of the day s other news now. the tesla boss elon musk has been accused of making billions of dollars by selling tesla stock with insider information. the accusation is made by an institutional investor in a delaware court. mr musk and his brother solder $30 billion of tesla stock between late 2021 and the end of 2022. the lawsuit accuses him of concealing plans to buy the social media platform then known as twitter. it also claims he knew that deliveries of tesla cars had fallen far below public projections. tehre has been no comment from mr musk or tesla. two former directors of the british department store bhs have been ordered to pay at least £18 million to creditors over their role in the collapse of the retailer eight years ago. a court found that lennars henningson and dominic chandler had breached their corporate duties after the acquisition of the retailer by continuing to trade despite knowing their was no reasonable chance it could avoid insolvency. the chain was sold to their employer in 2015 for one pound, but collapsed a year later resulting in 11,000 job losses and a £571 million pensions shortfall. now yesterday we covered the launch of apple intelligence, which initially triggered a bit of a hit to the company s share price. but that s now seen a reversal as wall street digested the news. apple shares leapt sharply on tuesday to record highs, and the company s overtaken nvidia to become the world s second most valuable company a whisker away from microsoft. our north america business correspondent erin delmore has more on the story in new york. investors have been waiting for month to see how apple would embrace ai. on monday they got their answer, a partnership with openai. an chatgpt powers for theory and some enhancements like proof reading and writing help and ai generated images and emerges. it was not until tuesday that the market rewarded apple s efforts. the new ai tools are only available on one models of apple products like the iphone 15 pro. the 1a series and order will not do it neither the base model iphone 15. will not do it neither the base model iphone15. ipads and macs will have to have apple pie oratory and one chip or neuro. investors are betting consumers will upgrade the devices to take advantage of the new tools that will lead to more sales for apple. well, let s explore that more now with susannah streeter, who s head of markets and money at hargreaves lansdown. apple back at number two. no big surprise deposit it was quite interesting to see beach up quite interesting to see beach up reaction in the other direction to its ai offering. it was. apple has been late to the ai party but now there is an expectation it will take up an expectation it will take up a big spot on the dance floor. in particular the way it will help drive the integration of ai into everyday life. through this deal with openai. essentially a big upgrade to the siri assistant. expectation it will develop a very powerful digital copilot for consumers. by digital copilot for consumers. by only being available in belated models, the expectation is it will drive product sales going forward. just how much remains to be seen. how infused and willing will consumers be to get the hands on the latest new kit. we see other iterations in the past, huge demand for the latest product and we just have to see how the technology plays out. just what it can do and may be able to do in the future to really get a grip on how much demand there will be. , grip on how much demand there will be. h . ~ grip on how much demand there will be. , ., ~ ., will be. let s talk about raspberry will be. let s talk about raspberry pie will be. let s talk about raspberry pie which - will be. let s talk about - raspberry pie which viewers may not have heard of, unlike apple. it also had quite an incredible day of the market yesterday. it incredible day of the market yesterday- yesterday. it certainly did. this ipo yesterday. it certainly did. this mo of yesterday. it certainly did. this ipo of this yesterday. it certainly did. this ipo of this computerl this ipo of this computer company that creates these low cost computers really thought it shares on their debut. only treated by institutional investors but they rose 43% and this offer among retail investors was seriously oversubscribed. we have where my clients that wanted to buy the shares than actually was provided for under the terms of this offer. it really shows there is a big desire among retail investors in the uk to invest in british companies and particularly in british technology companies that it has really lifted hopes of an ipo revival in london. there are changes afoot to try and create london as more attractive place to list, the conduct authority launching this review with expectation will have this coming perhaps in the next few months. that certainly would be welcome because at the moment lots of retail investors miss out from operas like this. and would like to see these types of ipos being open to many more investors in the uk. i being open to many more investors in the uk.- being open to many more investors in the uk. i get very much. investors in the uk. i get very much- the investors in the uk. i get very much. the low investors in the uk. i get very much. the low down - investors in the uk. i get very much. the low down on - investors in the uk. i get very - much. the low down on raspberry pi, a cambridge based business. shares are up some 40% on their debut. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. as you ve been hearing here in the uk the political parties have been unveiling their election manifestos this week as voters head to the polls onjuly 1l today we ll get a better idea of the health of the uk economy when the latest growth numbers are released in around 90 minutes time. it was in recession at the end of last year and managed to eek out 0.6% grwoth in the first three months of this year. so what is the picture now? i m joined by george buckley, chief uk & euro area economist at nomura. good morning. we hope we are still going in the uk, the economy? still going in the uk, the econom ? ~ ., , economy? we are. the recovery in the first economy? we are. the recovery in the first quarter economy? we are. the recovery in the first quarter of economy? we are. the recovery in the first quarter of this - in the first quarter of this year, 0.6% is a strong quarterly rate of growth, may not sound it but on a quarter thatis not sound it but on a quarter that is very strong. have to bearin that is very strong. have to bear in mind it is coming on the back of the session, maybe not surprisingly was a bit of a balance in q1 of this year, more edges and to see where that growth rate settles. i doubt we will see 0.6% of all the way through the 2024, i suspect it will be weaker. the other thing to notice is we have not seen very back to back rises on a monthly basis in gdp and the size of the economy since 2022 but that is what we saw in the first quarter of this year. some strong numbers, i would not be surprised if we see a bit of payback in april figures today and the market, the consensus dictation is we see a very small fall in the month of april. see a very small fall in the month of april. part of that is to do with month of april. part of that is to do with the month of april. part of that is to do with the fact month of april. part of that is to do with the fact that - month of april. part of that is j to do with the fact that easter fell in march, also has been raining, orthat fell in march, also has been raining, or that affects how much we get out and spend money or do stuff or domestic demand. inflation has come down quite a bit. give us your take on how this will be read by the bank of england was that at the same time we have of this manifesto is launched this week but are promising all sorts of uk economy. it promising all sorts of uk economy- promising all sorts of uk economy. if you look the headline economy. if you look the headline rate economy. if you look the headline rate of- economy. if you look the | headline rate of inflation, economy. if you look the i headline rate of inflation, it has come down fairly materially and this is probably one of the reasons rishi sunak called the election when he data. it was no coincidence it was on the same day inflation figures were released and fell by almost a percentage point due to be to be low to use when you look at the details of the report, the services domestic generated inflation was still far too strong for what the bank of england would like to see. running at almost 6%. they have to be careful these numbers are still very high. we need to look outside of the headline numbers and into the detail to see this. the other thing is we saw labour market yesterday report very strong in the sense of wages that are still growing at an elevated pace. the bank of england won t be happy about that. i don t think there was any danger that next week we will see a rate cut, it might be delayed until later in the summer or possibly beyond. thank you for your time. now if it s not too late, it might be time to rethink your breakfast. the orange juice industry is experiencing an unprecedented price spike due to disease and extreme weather events in brazil. did you know brazil accounts for around 70% of global orangejuice production. the situation there has been exacerbated by declining production in other major orange growing regions such as florida, israel, spain and argentina. i have just the i havejust the present i have just the present to talk to about this. joining me now is kees cools, president of the international fruit and vegetable juice association. a warm welcome. what is going wrong in brazil at the moment? you already said a, two things, it is the weather. they had some unusually high temperatures in 2023. also the rain which normally helps the trees to grow and bring fruit. also the rain has been much less, 30% than usual. these are of the two weather affects that impacted growth. as you said, the more important thing is now becoming a disease that kills trees over a period of time. unfortunately, we have not been able to find any cure for it. it is a devastating disease. if you look at florida, which wants is to be one of the world s leading suppliers of orange juice and orangejuice juice and orange juice concentrate, juice and orangejuice concentrate, to give you a number, florida was harvesting some ten, 15 years ago some 242 million boxes and 95% of production has gone because of the same disease. you can imagine what it means for the global supply. imagine what it means for the globalsupply. now imagine what it means for the global supply. now it is in brazil in the biggest supplier of the markets. that is why prices have almost tripled beyond chipboard. that is a very negative effect. what impact does this have on the brazilian economy? produces 70% ofthe brazilian economy? produces 70% of the worlds brazilian economy? produces 70% of the worlds orange brazilian economy? produces 70% of the worlds orange juice. - brazilian economy? produces 70% of the worlds orange juice. the . of the worlds orange juice. the first thing that happens is farmers will have an impact on their income because there is less to harvest, less to sell. prices are going up. that is some factor. the same goes for the processors, about three or four large processor is that turn these fresh oranges introduce and concentrate and ship around the world. definitely has a negative impact on the brazilian economy and in particular on the economy of the joyce industry and suppliers. economy of the joyce industry and suppliers- economy of the joyce industry and suppliers. when it comes to the disease and suppliers. when it comes to the disease itself, and suppliers. when it comes to the disease itself, scientists - the disease itself, scientists are busy trying to combat this? it is really devastating crops in brazil and also in florida. what is happening in terms of progress in trying to overcome this disease? in progress in trying to overcome this disease? this disease? in florida, it has been this disease? in florida, it has been going this disease? in florida, it has been going on - this disease? in florida, it has been going on for- this disease? in florida, it i has been going on for almost this disease? in florida, it - has been going on for almost 15 years and we have not found solutions. all the super size we have nowadays, we have not been able to find a cure. people are working hard. in brazil, the united states and elsewhere to go and find trees resistant to the disease. also at the same time the new weather circumstances. work is going on the cure has not been found and bombers can keep attri alive by putting extra fertiliser but in the end but is also extra costs and they cannot save the tree. the time being, we will have to consume orangejuice as is being, we will have to consume orange juice as is still there but we can also move to other juices like apple, grape, tropical. juices like apple, grape, tropical- juices like apple, grape, troical. ., ., tropical. almost out of time but thank tropical. almost out of time but thank you tropical. almost out of time but thank you for tropical. almost out of time j but thank you for explaining the situation. it sounds very challenging. that is all. hello there. it s felt quite pleasant in any strong june sunshine. but generally temperatures have been below par for this time of year and wednesday looks pretty similar to the last few days. some spells of sunshine, variable cloud and further showers mostly across eastern areas. i think there ll be fewer showers around on wednesday because this is a ridge of high pressure, will tend to kill the showers off. the winds will be lighter, but we re still got that blue hue, that cold arctic air hanging around for at least one more day before something milder starts to push in off the atlantic, but with wind and rain. so it s a chilly start to wednesday. temperatures could be in low single digits in some rural spots. these are towns and city values. a little bit of mist and fog where skies have cleared overnight, but it s here where you ll have the best of the sunshine, northern and western areas. a bit of cloud across eastern scotland, eastern england, one 01’ two showers. through the day, it ll be one of sunshine and showers, but the clouds will tend to build most of the showers eastern areas, tending to stay drier towards the west with the best of the sunshine. so it could be up to 17 or 18 degrees in the sunniest spots, but generally cool, ten to 15 or 16 celsius. and then as we move through wednesday night, any showers fade away, lengthy, clear skies. the temperatures will tumble against mist and fog developing. temperatures in rural spots dipping close to freezing in a few places. generally, though, in the towns and cities, we re looking at 4 to eight degrees. now we ll start to see some changes into thursday. we change the wind direction, we lose that cooler air, something a bit milder. but this frontal system tied into low pressure will start to bring wet and windy weather initially into northern ireland, spreading across the irish sea, into western britain and pushing its way eastward. so we start dry with some early sunshine across eastern areas and it should stay dry, i think in eastern england, eastern scotland until after dark. we change the wind direction despite more cloud around, 17 or 18 degrees. and it means thursday night will be milder. so a milder start to friday, but low pressure across the country bring stronger winds, sunshine and showers or longer spells of rain. some of these showers will be heavy and thundery, particularly across southern and western areas. but despite that, in the sunshine, it ll feel a little bit warmer, maybe 19 or 20 degrees. not much change into the weekend, low pressure dominates the scene. it ll be breezy at times. there will be showers or longer spells of rain again, some of them heavy and thundery. but in the sunnier, brighter moments, it llfeela bit warmer, 19 or 20 degrees. and another thing you ll notice, it will feel milder at night. take care. good morning. welcome to breakfast withjon kay and sally nugent. hello. it s six o clock. our headlines today. the green party launches its election manifesto, pledging to increase taxes for higher earners to transform health, housing and transport. good morning. personal finances good morning. personalfinances and our nation s finance are at the heart of this election campaign. i ve come to newcastle to find out how businesses and households are feeling, and if it can swing the vote. good morning from munich ahead of the start of football s european championship, with the hosts germany taking on scotland in the opening match of the tournament here in
ideals and we don t know fully what american soil is. sean: mumbling, fumbling, stumbling at an incoherent. no inverness this was around 9:00 pm eastern which is well past his bedtime i m sure he will sleep well tonight after that vigourous showing. that all the time we have left this evening. please that your dvr so you never ever ever ever this episode of hannity and in the meantime let not your heart be troubled. greg gutfeld is terry brekka but a smile on your face. have a great night. [cheering and applause] greg: yes! yes! [cheering] greg: eyed cloud for me too. happy monday, everyone. san francisco has opened the first three food market where shoppers can leave without paying. residents are reportedly confused how this is different from any other store in the city. [laughter] and ellie in your taxpayer-funded high-rise for homeless people now open a quick talking luxury apartments. there s a jim kayla caffey skyline views their academic the residents feel like home each unit featuring two coats of fresh urine. [laughter] according to a new pole, my favorite kind of secret 55 sens say then there well 34 cents monthly a person can change their gender later in life. while 10% of the men pulled after closing time said i swear to god i thought that was a check. [laughter] we ve all been there. [applause] is the man uploading heavily. he knows what i m talking about. chicago s progressive mayor billie johnson spent $30,000 in campaign contributions on his own private makeup artist during his first year in office. but you have to admit the artist did an amazing job. [laughter] my god. [applause] greg: during a rodeo in oregon on saturday, for people were injured after a boredom over a fence and injured for people in the crowd. the same thing happened at the view once when joe behar sato in the audience holding a plate of built bacon. [laughter] c4 this weekend donald trump told him about her crowd he would eliminate taxes on ti tips. what s after, asked one man. very cheap. very cheap individual. in his gun trial hunter biden decided not to take the stand in his own defense. really wanted to be sworn in with his hand on a stripper s ass. [laughter] the x. account, twitter, for boston celtic legends the russell tweeted, let s go celtics last night. turns out those were written by his wife because he s been that were two years. sounds like he has a lot of common with joe biden. [laughter] by the way weight, did you know that joe also won 11 championships with the celtics? [laughter] yeah. now you feel differently. [laughter] and finally i think is finally got one of the world s oldest penguins at age 30 successfully made it without 4-year-old male. the couple cancel their plans to marry saying the mail got cold feet. [laughter] that request for your grandmother. so in vegas over the weekend conference planned electric mandates for both after telling the crowd about a chat he had with a bookmaker. wondered if he asked what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? and you re in the boat? and have determined is a powerful battery? mr. trump: what would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery is no underwater and there s a shark that s approximately ten euros over there. by the way alight of shark attacks real lately, you notice that? hold on, there s a shark, 10 yards away from the board do i get electrocuted? so there s mr. trump: well there s a shark 10 yards away from the boat of 10 yards over here. like electric you didn t? if the board is thinking, water goes over the battery on the boat is sinking, you know, stay on top of the board and get electrocuted or do i come over by the shark cannot get electrocuted because i will tell you computer no answer he said, you know, nobody had ever asked me that question. [laughter] sean: it is like much before it is a quick question. electrocution or eaten by a shark? we should get a give death row inmates the choice. [cheering and applause] i like the way you guys think. about trump also said, i think it s a good question. mr. trump: i said i think it s a good question, i think there s auto electric current coming drill water but you know what i would do there was a shark or you d get electrocuted? uptake execution everything open. not kidding i m getting and i getting near the shark. [laughter] greg: i don t blame him. i m sure biden agrees. that s how they restart his heart every day. two zaps to the post on his neck. speaking of joey s hemorrhaging voters like jesse sheds follicles. [laughter] sabally escandon who looks like he can unite the cou country. and is a scary scaring the crap out of the dams. their multi- no lectures face in direct sunlight coming over the weekend los angeles times have this headline, in cilic and ballymore support for trump is trickling in there isn t a big threat to biden? we ll consider the tickets to a recent trump fundraiser reportedly went for 300 grand each in the event was sold out. apparently trump raise 12 million in one night. the same amount i offer taylor swift to stop calling me. [laughter] now the big, money may still go democrat but cracks are starting to form in there deeper then the ones influencing s face. it s no secret that the black and hispanic vote, mostly men, is shifting towards trump. was as smart national figures are now willing to come up about publicly for trump references robber 50-cent says he sees black men identifying with trump in the upcoming election because they ve got week-old charges. which means finally what is. [applause] focused recall partition of trump maybe the biggest backfire since joe forgot his lactose bills after a fight of heloise. [laughter] but don t take it for me. biggest arts have trump, the favorite to win their work and as a favorite to start in the walking dead. [laughter] meanwhile talking lizard james carville had the right he said this right before devouring a plate of sautéed worms. so if all the smart money and people are shifting to trump, who are the holdouts? meaning the people in our public life were well-informed enough to know better but still insist on backing a brain-dead biden? i ll tell you. is the rich and famous paralyzed by their own egos who look at trump with and b be. think about it. imagine being robert de niro or stephen king or howard stern or jimmy kimmel and you just got the memo that you aren t the center of the universe. and that memo is on donald trump letterhead mechanism of the working class being ignored is this elitist bozos. is this performance essential in their own right but trump makes them feel small. if you ve noticed, trump s largest credit are successful people who sent their own insignificance in this new world of trump limited feel like i do when taking a picture with iris. [laughter] it s also why has-beens like liz cheney, michael cohen and anthony carlucci are obsessed with taking trump down. there players in this movie hoping that seems dealing moments will come. but the most obvious example, like i closest to trump in temperament and personality, howard stern, as trump elevated, stern retreated, becoming a believer in the gospel of the six-foot distancing rule there can use covid to justify turning himself into glorious swanson the hold his 47 square-foot mention dictating to everyone how stupid and murderous they were for not having what he had. and what does stern have in common with jimmy kimmel? is the sense of the motion them if they realize the world does not revolve around them. a crushing realization if your ego is everything. right now, trump is more important than all of them combined and it s killing them. meanwhile, the smart but ego satisfied person whether it s elon musk or vivek ramaswamy or me [laughter] , we don t take it personally that trump maybe the most consequential human ally. of course, but it s because these people can think larger know the selection and, in fact, this nation are about more than just them. which is why they got their next out for trump and their middle fingers out to the media. meanwhile the ego tests have become extras in the film of their lives. and those who they once consider the extras have taken starring roles. that is the electorate. they can t believe that the great unwashed or not listening to them but instead this new leading man. and so they see trump and they ask, they ask, why could that be me one thing narcissists can t stand. being ignored on the world stage. 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[cheering and applause] greg: joe, what you think of my theory because when you look at people successful across-the-board, there are sum that are totally fine some of them aren t and i have to believe it is this realization that after three or four code decades in the limelight after finding out that they re not the center of the universe. yeah. trump had an immediate ability to soak up all the air in any room. is incredible. is pretty funny when you have someone like james carville who looks like nosferatu coming out and saying i think biden is passed his prime, we have to move on but you have to admit at this point it for for joe biden is a vote for kabbalah. rose lemay get to the debates [applause] watching the normandy things. you don t look good. [cheering and applause] they can hard right it. they tried to get him his fancy hotels, they got him his footwork because why he was falling over. s 20 or because his body singling me by one to die this year. [laughter] so you. i think trump if you compare them, jill balser anything this is not good to watch. but trump comes out, it s not like someone asked a question about sharks and electric boats. but you had an answer ready. greg: exactly. here and answer ready! i don t know but i never look at the movie jaws and thought what if they had an extension cord. but i thought that s what is so hilarious what kind is getting stronger and he s getting more vital and he s got that energy. now i would like if there was some younger people that may be a freshfaced, 60-year-old. but i will would like if someone centimeter did your president i just would probably in th that. [laughter] greg: is 20 of the it s like no one really has thought about the choice between electrocution and being eaten by a short. the second person that i would like to have in the white house as opposed to somebody who creates fantasies about their uncle being eaten by cannibals. but what you think about the fact that, like, a lot of these people look at trump and they go okay i could ve done that in a can of mad that they didn t do it. think about that with mark even grandma and mark even had a problem with trump actually being not just a billionaire but also president and he still a billionaire. look at mark even and he won so many different hats. he went from being just a businessman to a sports team owner to really just being somebody that i think a lot of people at one point were able to relate to know if i completely different. myself included, i used to love mark even until now he s just inserted himself in to a different political conversation that he has no business in the best thing about also has 170 hats. and he was a businessman, is been a real estate investor. he has single to the point that it is today. it was, you know, on the apprentice, is a reality show star. is now, you know, the former president of the united states, hopefully so to be, you know, getting his second term here. but people just don t like that. they don t like the fact that you can say whatever is on his mind, that he does have a bit of an ego but you has a point in everything that he saying. if people understanding that and people are seeing the way to his being treated with this sham trial come all the convictions and people are now starting to relate to him and he is getting i think a lot of votes or at least people getting on board with him that maybe wouldn t have been at another point in time for latino votes of the blackbirds of the youngest, the silicon valley crew, and you see people turning out and drugs in the blue states are not even organize ral rallies. before deciding, you know, so we support trump in there to leave the support trump which is authenticity the democrats reactions is the best part about our because recalling a course master terrorist and things like that because they don t know what to do with themselves and especially the rally was assigned because this past weekend as a people showed up there like equities people must be hired on craigslist. is like, no, democrats, where they want to have to higher influencers to support you, not the conservatives. greg: jimmy, you have no shame. stop it. and even push back on because i look like you fact cowboy today. [laughter] i thought i look cool when i left my office then i got unsaid look at the monitors, i look like clean clint feast would. people do have egos. you know, annexing but trump has no sense of embarrassment. so he can actually you can control his ego. you can actually take risks. is this different kind of ego that i don t know what it is but it s not they cannot bear that he s doing this and they aren t. 1000% because in the quality they he is a fighter you know what i mean humor and is not the motorized by someone. and forget his whole entry into politics really started in 2012 when obama was looking at the white house correspondents dinner he got all the shots and got off the map ended on howard, okay,, wanted to be in politics. he ran for governor in new york. greg: that s right, i forgot stick with me. he was the guy whose ego batted himself the king of all media. but you has become so much less omnipotent than trump and he conveys a everything from howard stern is not the the prince harry of law okay but imagine that does kill him and this is the biggest thing and this is what s nuclear trump movement. because trump is garnering major support in the black community. and he went to the box permanently familiar financial by that black streak right thing matters okay 50 cents matters. he is a guy with a lot of influence, okay? you got shot nine times and did something more dangerous like sheep with chelsea handler, okay? but before but you had his shots. but that s not managed remotely time howard kimmel had black support is when they painted it onto their face. greg: that s true. greg: kat, why do celebrities in his general struggle s popularity? using bc poplar to allocate a finite pike? noah nelson it so i guess i have to. greg: what? it is funny to see you call out other people for having a big ego. [laughter] [cheering and applause] greg: thank you. greg: there was a chinese ego. and you would do that. you give pictures of yourself to other people for christmas. greg: that is a joke about my ego. okay. i honestly i don t think it really is i read about this in my new book limit people thank elaine and can be really hard for people to get out of that lane or even consider anything from any you don t want to listen to anybody else or any other opinions. but i think thing about stuff that s unprecedented like what happened here in new york with a conviction, and president elisa moore and precedented. i think when something because people do pension more but i feel people have also made a lot of money i think of him saying these things. and is this, trump s lack. people have families and expect them to see those things in my getting can also lead to people not wanting to consider something else than what they found has made a successful. greg: i do think some of them drive is also definitely true in some instances. greg: we ve got to move on. up next, no one is above the law unless it s hamas dribble you draw. 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[cheering and applause] greg: it s okay to break a statue but mess with pride and they ll come right at y you. there was a nice rhyme or a radio that he comes to us from america s capital/arm pit, washington dc were hundreds of anti- israel them as traitors refilled outside white house the facings that suit and harassing cops. remember though is dc so half of the more robbed and murdered leader that day. roll it! everyone: [chanting] greg: shocking to see. imagine trashing america and destroying property without receiving any course credit. [laughter] they also chanted deeply f. joe biden so it makes sense that this attack the statue because it s less only thing less mobile then the president. bedene for this event going on since october 7th. regular yard riots there were no repercussions, no arrests. but we have no as punishment gold out or withheld based on viewpoint. meanwhile the insane case in spokane, three teens riding writings koopers led left skid marks on her painted a sidewalk mural and they were arrested and charged with first-degree malicious mischief. sure what does that tell you? well there is when the museum vandalism the media condemns an vandalism that they protect. so you can t deface a problem pride mural but feel free to draw a hitler mustache on jesse mark jesse watters fa face. by the way, that is not a comparison is actually an order. [laughter] [applause] all right. i think what upsets me most is the harassment of the park ranger, jimmy. yeah. greg: park rangers are like the most likable people on the planet. they there like eagle scouts with a salary. if you harass if you harass a park ranger that you should get the death penalty by their. by bear. [applause] dave plotted two jokes about the death penalty. this audience what do you make about i know it s in our comparison because kids get charged for writing riding scores over up yard mural but you can destroy property i m surprised engoron did not do more than a century because he went to start went to high school most of those guys. [laughter] greg: socially. in the near that guy - s personal. that such events move, bitch wu derek cease my language, to go after an unarmed garlic that. i wonder if this is protection but there s this other thing that you know is true when we think talk about the right arrest in spokane. certain kondas have as righteous and okay. and when it comes to the pride thing that is why they went to jail and got arrested him and the reason these guys are in because the left has cosign this movement that s the double standard thing that speaks to a collective lack of civic pride okay everyone should be mad if our sacred monuments are being defiled because there is a middle finger to all of us. so i don t know. beat your kids, i don t know what else to say. [laughter] the one violence. greg: is not just capital punishment is corporal punishment dealing. you know, an interesting thing about the pride mural i think it s like, vandalism is bad that i think the facing a pride mural bad. think it s interesting that nobody had pointed out that these are teenagers being charged with a felony for this. and facing ten years for this? which i thought we were becoming more progressive on criminal justice reform and having concerns about over criminalization of this is to me a very clear example of an overcoming elaboration i would say, for having that to be a panel felony for teenagers facing ten years so i hope it doesn t go there. i hope you actually don t serve ten years for that because that s how people become more radicalized too. is how people become radicalized. yeah, when you overdo in the punishment area. it gives me an idea though, charlie. arm going to start putting christ but because the nine oh one ben alistair macgregor to pay my entire house a giant rainbow and then when there s okay and he was right of my house will remain standing. here s the thing, you would have to s before oh thank you. [laughter] it is pride months. you had her colorful gucci back in there and all the different colors you carry all times of the days before no one will steal that. you are ahead of but that s the thing about these anti- israel protesters is they just have i mean the biggest balls of them all because they know nothing is going to happen. is middle of the day of the facing history family know the people are filming them on their phones and they just don t care because they know nothing is going to be done. they are completely safe from anything meanwhile you have the scooter writers who cited to commit the crime i 130 clock in the morning because at least, you know, if he ever do something wrong and we in the middle of the night where you might not get hot. with the democrats have a rule. no one is allowed to live! leave skid marks but biden. [laughter] [cheering and applause] greg: poop joke! during! poop joke! everybody gets if we drink. here s another comparison between protests. for life parade in dc mark one kid everywhere because it seemed like he had offended other minority group and turnout was a reverse. this is lower in the news, you can find the story of the potus anywhere. first of all minutes on the case case with e-scooters i was outraged because it was in people having fun and i just made me angry. i m old and bitter. but i think were kind of anything to hate mark if you read the over the they re saying this file vile act of hatred. look at other things the work that at the israel protesters had to do, had to climb up the statue, that you delete a mobile. meanwhile these kids left scarred something was on the road? and they re looking at jail? it s insane because look, i understand what the purpose of pride had been. you had a group of people who were told to be ashamed of themselves and they said we don t want to live that way. and everybody was on board with that. and want to hear people say what about straight pride? because you want to know about straight pride kill take a look at my browser history and will never ask what straight people to be brought up again, okay? [laughter] by is the unfair application, like, returned were going to talk about equality applicable two crimes mechanic grammar is so much more so much worse and no one is doing anything that you have a little bit pleasing that a municipal supreme court and that is not a quantity of equity and it s not sustainable because like kat said people will start to push back. greg: exactly and i think you re going to push back on november fifth. [cheering and applause] greg: thank you. stop at. all right. he spends spent as much on looks as he does free and crux. [coughing] i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. scout is protected by simparica trio and he s in it to win it! simparica trio is the first chew with triple protection. whoa fleas! and ticks! 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[applause] announcer: a story in five words. greg: mayor spends 30 k. on makeup. charlie, chicago s altar progressive mayor brandon johnson spent $30,000 on hair and makeup during the first his first year in office! this is insane. campaign he spent 30 grand on makeup. this guy, that s like $100 a day. i just came up with that. this isn t as insane? it s insane. i m obsessed with cosmetology. and the highest level of spending at sephora. greg: what s your favorite planet? mactier planet? i don t get it. astrology. greg: no less cosmologies before i get a. $30,000 in the year is impossible. so hard to do. i can only imagine his donors are okay thank you so much for using our money towards areas whilst only spent $2000 the year prior. i was okay you should have spent way more. form was not italian. [laughter] greg: my husband is italian mlk you have and i do. [laughter] i you think is just banging the makeup lady? what? did you hear photos? woefully well maybe he is. greg: so maybe he s not. what to be the reason. want to know the reason. i think went to get into it it s like! immediately think i needed anything. it can be okay his spiraling and skincare. greg: of her the happening. you get used to the sensation of it. i sleep in the top of let s go connor i say. is a corruption? right, is a corruption or is it merely an? we don t know. and said she needed to get a haircut because she needs to look good. i mean, now okay i think people said whatever you need to spend, the sky s the limit. [laughter] i said good for him. but in chicago most makeup expenses like that are reserved for open caskets. [laughter] we ll resume at local the reason the locals are upset is because chicago he normally steal because manner, you know what i mean? does justice that reality. greg: but you don t like my open casket joke? i mean i mean all of us is i a lot of money in dc as a kid and this is better than what marianne and barry mark i guess i have to give them that. mary and barry able to come back from being caught on crack okay there is this guy made hunter biden look like richie cunningham. whether that pop in my head? you got to move on grandma coming up, she s a star on the fever but the that team u.s.a. said leave her. 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[laughter] greg: nobody knew that it was next month. nobody knew that. [laughter] okay. this i don t know why she wasn t on the team. i know a lot i don t get it. it if it makes you feel any better because i don t recognize the names of anyone else on the team except for brittney griner. and that s not because she s good at basketball so much as okay backpacking. [laughter] good job. greg: all right. charlie, you re gonna like this portly the year. there be a legit reason for this omission or is it political or social or cultural? is social. they re just jealous of caitlin clark and all the eyeballs she had on her. nobody cares about the wnba. there they care about caitlin clark but with that being said caitlin clark is able to bring somebody only eyeballs to the wnba, she would bring manual millions more viewers to the women s basketball games in the earth olympics carolyn it s really sad. caitlin clark certainly deserves to be the. it s not unheard her back by any stretch to have an exceptional rookie player neolithic team. greg: she s iraqi, that s why. it s not wise before a string to see what their excuse might be, you know what i m saying? i think one of their season has been made was that she missed one of the workouts because she was in the championship tournament when she was still in iowa. maybe there maybe there could have been white but yellow say or she might be an alternate on the team but we know the alternates aren t going to place before she could if she would have been outgunned and the team if she had a penis. [laughter] i think it went like is partly to blame because she made a controversial decision to be pleasant. [laughter] i don t want to hear any and i like women s sports, i want to your anymore complaining from the wnba as they tried to drive away any potential move new viewers because if i want to watch up with on the new star wars show. [laughter] [applause] greg: all right, jimmy, did you know the limbic for coming up? i did not. greg: narrated i! i had no idea. greg: i m in my own little world. he very tiny world. i care about this story. my wife is actually was actually a very good basketball player. greg: has she graduated yet? [laughter] i love that they re clapping. i ve told that joke on the show five times. greg: overweight, was that wear you were going? i ve tried to tell this joke twice in different episodes but he drove in front of it by accident wants. three weeks ago the topic came up and all of a sudden i stop and go you bleep you did it again. [laughter] we finally completed the joke, today matters! we did it! anyway, know that i do, i care about women s basketball. micah way what way wife would ve been in the wnba but she is pretty. [laughter] stop at, that s a joke. probably a joke. i m surprised he merely didn t do this just because of the jersey sales because you know how much money her jersey sale compared to everyone is on the wnba? were not exactly rolling in doing this and supremely the statute of liberty is selling pictures of her feet on only fans right now. it s bad. as the money. that s all. greg: all right. up next, get engrossed with your favorite local news host. announcer: if you ll be in the new york area and would like tickets to go see gutfeld!, go to foxnews.com/gutfeld and click on the link to join our studio audience. get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don t stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. step back out there with fasenra. ask your doctor if it s right for you. 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[cheering and applause] s. is a local news where every guest at the surest way from wherever there from prematurely that he will first. from indianapolis here and it is one everyone from either calendars. we ve got a big event coming up, august 8, 30:00 pm at the indiana state clear. yahoo s he and the wheels will be there abenaki and we was the actor it will begin with the musician with whom you that he was in a band called dog star. is a basis. jon anik just got even har harder. and i will also say that went back and fully convinced that the reason i have not had any serious illnesses going up or even up to this day is because at one point i dropped my corndog on the ground at the indiana state fair and i still ate it. greg: nice! so the every germer could possibly in my my body [applause] are you going to go? i would love to go to the indiana state fair. i can make it on august 8th. you have a day off albot? absolutely. jamaica while you go? give it up for i m getting. sorry. that s timely. bruce blakeman this was introduced a bill that would ban biological men from competing in the women s sports. which anyone who [applause] thank you. anybody trying to protect women sports i think we owe and that of gratitude because there s no voices speaking out. when a woman s woman woman swimmer dies in the pool, she shouldn t also be battling shrinkage, you know what i mean? regard i m bringing this back to my wife because she was a good high school athlete and she takes think of them will be a league of their own. there was not supposed to that was supposed to be about the whole female woman just want to bruce, this is for you, baby. [applause] you don t grade, you go next. greg: i m going to cover this california homeless high-rise. it s amazing. it cost 50 plus million dollars, 2028 studio apartments, 51 bedroom apartments that each place cost about 600 grand and this is for the homeless but you know what s interesting about this other than it makes me wonder throughout? it s in skid row. anybody been to la skid row? the assumption that people that live on skid row are going to take care of it high-rise, you have to be as mentally ill as they are. this idea of just oh, you know, you know how to solve the homeless crisis? give them houses. they don t want your house! their wholeness so they can due drugs! suit up shrek shootout, do whatever they want. how long do you think before this poop in the pool? greg: well if i m there. [laughter] here in new york city, new york governor kathy hogle suspended the plan for wrench congestion you have to pay your fees. it s not nuclear plan to punish the law-abiding and i m glad that they held it off but it was amazing. it was in conversations with david patterson, our former governor. so he just so goes to show you when you re taking traffic advice a blind guy you re not doing a great job. on that note, don t go away, will be right back. 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that is tonight s the last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is in the hands of a delaware jury. nba legend steve kerr is here and why he speaking out about the stakes in the election as the 11th hour gets underway. good evening once again. we are 148 days away from election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump brush off his guilty verdict set for a standard presentencing interview this afternoon, there was nothing standard about how this interview was held. trump got special permission to attend virtually from florida and to have his attorney todd blanche present. he s been complaining for months about it two tiered system of justice and he is right. is new public defenders pointed out today, most people do not get to login remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as for is what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about financial resources, mental health, and any links to other convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime you were convicted of. meanwhile, in delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is ryan nobles with more. reporter: tonight, it s in the hands of the jury. six men and six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden, the first child of a sitting american president to be charged with a crime. many members of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence. gesturing around the courtroom and in the direction of first lady jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence he said adding no one is above the law. the special counsel s office use the president s son of lying on a federal back on check by checking the box claiming he was not an active drug user to purchase a gun. prosecutors used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden s frequent drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october 2018. hunter biden s ex-wife testified she found drug paraphernalia inside his car in october 2018. his ex-girlfriend who was dating him at the same time singing hunter was smoking crack every 20 minutes or so. the evidence was personal. it was ugly. it was overwhelming he told the jury today. it was also absolutely necessary. defense attorney abbe lowell argued they focus too much on his drug abuse over a four year period and saying no one witnessed actual drug use during the window of time he purchased the gun. with that, let s do smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. pulitzer prize for investigative reporter with the washington post sam stein acerra veteran federal journalist and white house editor for political and a neighbor of carol. former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman jr. is here. you know it s a big night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer. help us understand the purpose of these interviews and how do they go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? when your probation officer will ask you questions, what they re trying to understand is what your setup is around your life. how do you live. what your financial resources are and what would be the impact of a particular sentence of a judge decides to send you to jail. are there people who depend on you? are you associating with other criminals which we know in the case of donald trump, he is. we could go down the long list. steve bannon, roger stone, michael flynn, the list goes on and on. one of the things a probation officer is looking to ascertain, and you talked about this, is whether you have any understanding and/or appreciation for the crime you re actually committed up. i think donald trump has a difficult tightrope when it comes to everything he said in the public around this persecution rather than what he knows is actually in the prosecution by the das office, and that will be something that will be hard to get around. the probation report is going to be something the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimate ultimately oppose. they will make the recommendation and trump s attorneys will argue for as lenient of a sentence as possible. sam, donald trump has been arguing for months and months that there s a two cheered data tiered justice system and its benefiting him. he got to meet virtually with his probation officer. his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he s always saying i am doing this for you. i am standing here for you. but any trump supporters were in his position, they would not get the special privileges. why do they keep buying this? you are right. when you think back to the gag order that was imposed on trump at various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what it would ve been for any other person in the justice system. obviously, donald trump is a unique person in the justice system that he s running for president currently. it makes sense that some leeway is given to him. the justice system works in his favor and i would argue the second story, hunter biden s story, it is not a justice system. the presidents own department of justice is bringing a case against his son. if there was a thumb on the scale of the justice system on the part of president biden, one thing he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son and maybe let it go away and the president sat back and watched this progress to the point where we will probably get a verdict in the next day or so. carol, get it s been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive gop nominee to be meeting with his probation officer. what is your reaction to this extraordinary moment in american history? i ve thought a lot about that and how numb the country has become to everything that we have watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president, donald trump, was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the using a course word and saying he could get away with it because he was a celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it was like a starting gun of every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as president that made us all gasp and wonder, can he survive this? donald trump is the republican nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. all of us are like, oh, yeah, that s how it is. that s sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it s important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime and now we have one who has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. charles, an appellate lawyer wrote that donald trump s chances of winning an appeal are pretty slim. what do you think? i think so. when you talk about what it is to appeal a jury verdict, the first thing people need to understand its an rare occurrence that the system will look at the decision that is made by our constitution where you get a chance to have your case heard in front of a jury of your peers, which donald trump did, and override that decision absent some extreme miscalculation by the judge or extreme actions by one of the attorneys. judge merchan does not get enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was aware that all eyes needed to be dotted and all his teas needed to be crossed and that s why he did on such a run such a tight ship to make sure there were as few issues for appeal as possible. that doesn t mean donald trump s attorneys won t seek to find an issue but the likelihood of being successful is slim to none. sam, dal bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case but most likely not until after donald trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans. how do you think he will handle this? i mean, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect donald trump and want to go after the prosecution. there has been overtures they want to defund jack smith for instance. bringing alvin bragg to the hill is something we should ve expected a long time ago. i m surprised they didn t push harder prior to this. i would point to the fact that a jury trumps peers made the determination he was guilty of 34 counts. that s the aspect of the american justice system that trump was right to defense and he was given defense. there will be questions about, who was on his team and funding them? what it comes down to is this is how the american justice system is designed to work. trump at his day in court and had his defense. that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12 and you have to live with it that s what we do. charles, let s shift to what sam was talking about. the hunter biden case. what did you make of both sides, closing arguments, and hunter not taking the stand? it didn t surprise me that hunter biden did not take the stand for a number of reasons. number 1 comments difficult for hunter biden to give testimony in any way that will try to exonerate him or at least defend against those charges without either incriminating him or at least admitting publicly about his substance abuse. i think that is something he wanted to avoid. i think his team wanted to avoid that and if you are looking at this, it s something that would not of been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines. not that that has an impact on hunter s actual case or charges per se, but i think it was part of the calculus here. with respect to what you heard from the prosecution, this was straightforward. many legal experts myself included understand that when the special prosecutor on the case that joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges, that is, if anything that we ve seen recently is a mass political prosecution we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought, you typically don t see that absent some additional violent events involving the actual handgun or the weapon that is in question. that s not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that because we don t have those facts. robert hur decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is relatively straightforward. none of this surprises me. what the defense did a closing argument is you work with the facts you have. they don t have gray facts so they have to call into question the time line. i don t know if that will be enough for a jury to either acquit him or result in a mistrial. sam, the president has already said he will not pardon his son. if he is found guilty, he could be taken into custody . how is the administration, campaign, going to react to this? they have been hands-off about a. they are not hiding the fact this is taking an emotional cole, mental pool, on the president. he is a there. when you ask about present enough, they are hands off. there s discomfort in the white house to even talk about the issue with the president himself. he does not want to discuss it. it s not that he doesn t think it s a political fallout but it s too raw for him. the question, will republicans tried to capitalize on a guilty verdict, and if so, what manifestation? we have a debate coming up. it s not beyond the realm that donald trump will not try to use something during the debate and what we ve been surprised to see is how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. it doesn t come up that much. it used to be a topic of discussion but not recently. you wonder if that s because they don t want to draw attention to trump s own legal mishaps or tested it out and realize there might be boomerang effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son, part of what the issue is, issue of addiction. carol, no topic. your paper, the washington post , has this story out over the weekend about the trump ally with a quote post constitutional vision for a second term. the man s name is russell, what can you tell us about this? beth reinhard on our national investigative team for this great reporting that presages the future and right donald trump presidency. the kinds of people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy omb director and had been in congress as a staffer for a long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around the legislative and the executive parts of our government. he is using that knowledge to broadly expand the powers of the executive, if trump takes office. to the point of saying he will find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels is wrongly gone after the president in the past including journalists. that includes political figures think the biden family members. he has said rather he is said to confidantes that he would work very hard to loosen the military s ability to take action at the president s command to stop protests that are against the president. to interfere perhaps in elections. the military would be an entity the president could send it to domestic situations and something we have avoided ever since the horrors of kent state for example. it s a person who believes in the unitarian executive theory but is proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president. he is proposing things that send a chill up the spine of those who really study democracy and its norms. here s my head scratcher. there s a lot of conservatives who say they do not like trump what they like his policies. these are the same people who are all about small government with limited power. this, this man and this plan. isn t that the complete opposite of small government, limited power? this is big government with ultimate power. well, i think one thing you have highlighted on your program consistently, if i can give you a hat tip, is the idea of the hypocrisy. the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter which i m embarrassed to tell you how long it has been, has always been about criminal justice and serious tough law enforcement. it s been the party of being concerned about foreign adversaries, rough it russia chief among them but that s all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy and the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump therefore he is awesome. getting tough on criminals? not important anymore because we really want to support certain criminals who have been unfairly, and to use this in quotation marks, unfairly persecuted. that is the line the republican party is pushing. again, this notion of big government as being anathema to the government party is out the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that s the litmus test for republicans who want to stay in power. people can vote how they like but it s our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, was great to see you. sam, charles thank you. nine months into the war and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump, president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. the 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night. da. with absorbine pro, pain won t hold you back from your passions. it s the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. norman, bad news. i never graduated from med school. what? -but the good news is. xfinity mobile just got even better! now, you can automatically connect to wifi speeds up to a gig on the go. plus, buy one unlimited line and get one free for a year. i gotta get this deal. i know. faster wifi and savings? .i don t want to miss that. that s amazing doc. mobile savings are calling. visit xfinitymobile.com to learn more. doc? nbc news has exclusive new reporting on a possible new strategy from the u.s. to negotiate the release of american hostages still held by hamas. it comes as we get new video the moment israeli forces rescued three hostages over the weekend. andrea mitchell has the latest. reporter: tonight, the dramatic moment when three of the four hostages were rescued. you can hear gunfire as officers approach a family home in the middle of a refugee camp. finding the hostages inside of back room. officers asking further names as the hostages answer back. andre, he says. the daytime mission leader resulting in a firefight the idf says as hamas seven fire on the hostages and rescuers as they escape. the high death toll of palestinians potentially complicating delicate cease- fire negotiations with hamas. secretary of state tony blinken in israel dominica must agree to a deal. israel accepted the proposal. the only party that has not accepted and the only one that has not said yes is hamas. that s who everyone is waiting on. reporter: they were taken during the terror attacks at the music festival. 26 years old who became the face of the hostage were. seen on the back of a motorbike being kidnapped. her boyfriend still held captive tonight. hugging her father and reunited with her mother who was terminally ill. a 21-year-old coming home just one day after his father died but arriving before his mother s birthday. i could not stop poking him. tomorrow is my birthday so i got my presence. thank you. a 40-year-old aunt 127. falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel, and gaza there is morning. the hamas run gazan health ministry which does not distinguish between combatant and civilian death said 274 palestinians were killed in the rescue mission including 64 children, one woman telling our crew. my house is destroyed. reporter: this is nbc news reporting exclusively the u.s. is discussing a new move if cease-fire talks fail making a unilateral deal with of the most to release the remaining american hostages. negotiating through qatar and without israel. according to ginger current and former senior u.s. officials. my number 1 priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well-being of americans who are in harms way anywhere in the world. reporter: as your top priority, wouldn t indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home? the most effective way to achieve that, get them home, is through the proposal on the table. let s see if we get an answer from hamas. for more, peter baker white house chief correspondent for the new york times . is this a sign the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? obviously, it s been nine months and these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has deferred to the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages. they have dual citizenship and israel is on the ground and united states is not. it suggests an in patients with the biden administration that its own hostage, american hostages, remain in limbo while netanyahu and hamas remain at odds over the cease-fire proposal. you heard secretary blank and say that it s hamas that has yet to accept this proposal. i think that s important point they want to make that israel has agreed to this despite the public ambiguity. right now, they re frustrated it s taking so long and seems to not be heading toward a conclusion and they seem to be willing to think of ways to get the americans at this point out if there s a way to do it. president biden is not the only one expressing frustration. benny gantz just resigned from israel s work cabinet saying it s a prime minister and he is standing in the way a real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? it s a big deal and it s been remarkable to work cabinet has hung together as long as it did. benny gantz has run against netanyahu multiple times and the idea they sat together in this work cabinet is a remarkable situation. it s hard to imagine joe biden and donald trump sitting together in a unity government. at this point, he s decided enough is enough and it s not working. the prime minister netanyahu is an obstacle toward a resolution to the conflict rather than a leader. that puts netanyahu in an awkward position but it may require him to rely even more so on his far right-wing coalition to stay in power. he has to appeal to the parts of his coalition that he himself might affect comfortable in order to keep his majority they can avoid further elections. we will have to see where it leads. there s not much chance or at least not a lot of optimism for prime minister netanyahu they could win another election but he s been an enduring figure for a long time and israeli politics. let s stick with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france and when president biden was there, he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received and we keep hearing about our european allies, worried about trump, but there were a bunch of elections that took place last week in europe and they were big winds for the far right. it s not just a u.s. issue but it s happening over there as well. it s not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power toward the right. you saw macron of france who host a president biden the night before at the state dinner where they held hands and effect in favor of establishment politics, and also rock that he s calling new elections in france himself to see if he cannot win over his own public where he is not very popular re-there. these guys will get together in italy at a g7 meeting and they will talk about these issues like gaza, ukraine, do. president biden has a low approval rating, his at home is higher than some of the other leaders who will be at the summit. there s a time when the establishment politicians of the major industrial powers are on their back heels a little bit amid this right-wing populism we are seeing in europe and the united states. peter, you always make a smarter. thank you for being here. when we come back, stubborn polls and has the biden campaign getting a read data revving up the race in the 11th hour. hour. if you re one of the millions of people with diabetes who suffer from low and high blood sugar, dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes. my blood sugar would suddenly spike or really go low out of nowhere. it was really scary. 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(announcer) dexcom g7 helps protect against highs and lows. call now! the biden campaign is making big changes after listening to months of public and private concerns from democrats. their switching up the style and launching major policy initiatives both to lockdown voters already on board while trying to pull new ones in. i want to bring it msnbc contributor brian tyler: and former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. were not talking one or two small changes. the president is revamping his policy portfolio and will refer to trump is a convicted felon and he sitting for interviews beyond traditional media. you to sit down with vice president harris. what do you make of these changes? i think it is smart. reach people where they are. people are getting their news from less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently anyway and people are checking out. it s smart to reach these people where they are and find them where they are not paying attention to the more traditional issues. the biden campaign recognizes whatever it has to do as we head toward crunch time. this is not just about his base. it s nikki haley voters, independence, and never trumper s. the people who could make or break the election which is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat while press former president trump is not looking beyond his base. will this work for biden? well, yeah, he has to look beyond the base. that s where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset and we got pushed into it. we didn t want to do it and ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was making changes but a big part is doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say, we heard the message. we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and make sense of the speaking that you are sending a message that you heard the message and we are doing things differently. in this campaign, it s so razor thin that biden has to do everything right and this is one of them. this is good. one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things donald trump is saying. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made it his nevada rally this weekend. i will share a bit. you feel that? i don t want anybody going we need every vote. i just want your vote. i don t care about you. what i just heard him say, i don t care about you. i just want your vote. did the rally attendees here this? what? did they hear that? they have selective hearing. donald trump can say anything on god s green earth and they will cheer on cue. it s important that americans more broadly here it because that s him giving the game away. he doesn t care about anybody. trump s only goal is to keep himself out of prison. to make prosecutions against them go away. he has brought forward no plans to lower costs. nothing to lower health care costs. nothing to increase the amount of jobs. he has no plans for housing or inflation. his campaign is predicated on keeping himself out of prison, out of the courtrooms, and making the cases go away. and a revenge tour against the people who deign to hold him accountable for his crimes. it s a rare instance, less rare these days because he has a proclivity to see the quiet part out loud. he is saying it. if you want an example of someone who treats supporters with nothing but contempt, it someone like donald trump standing there on that stage and basically telling them what he thinks about them. what i like to hear about is the truth mark and billions of dollars in infrastructure funding has made its way across the country thanks to president biden s massive infrastructure bill now law. suddenly, we are seeing some house republicans taking credit for these jobs that were created but for facts say, the same republicans voted against the bill. to their constituents who might not pay attention to traditional politics or watch the news, do they know the new truth? these guys are taking credit for things they voted against. they are not going to hear the truth. let me make another point on the las vegas speech and the ad. there is another ad i think the biden campaign which is the best of the campaign which is donald trump in his voice talking about veterans. i think they should leave that up through election day. it s spectacularly good and impactful. trump has been complaining about it and we call that as hit dogs barking. you know he s feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, the most effective thing you can do is not say what you think the person said but let them say what they said themselves. it is great. brian, i want to go back to the infrastructure point. if you the biden campaign are running and local elections, what do you do about the fact that you have some house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? i think they done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud when he was in lauren boebert s district that she tried to take credit for the infrastructure plan. it s getting into these districts and doing the side-by- side. the media has been great about showing side by sides where it s donald trump railing against toilets not flushing and trying to keep himself out of prison and biden talking about $35 inhalers. $35 insulin and $2000 a month health care plans and things that will impact regular people. they been good about that side- by-side but it s getting out there and hammering the message over and over and over again. they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way? you got to show people. thank you both for being here. stay up for this. coach steve kerr when he talks, everybody listens. the nine time nba champion is here next. is being endorsement in the selection and is taking caitlin clark s first month in the pros. pros. switch to shopify so you can build it better, scale it faster and sell more. much more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. and sizes up to a g-cup, changing your habits is the only way that gets you to lose the weight. and golo is the plan that s going to help you do that. just take the first step, go to golo.com. in the last 10 days, we have had elderly black people killed in a supermarket in buffalo. asian churchgoers killed in southern california and now we have children murdered at school. when are we going to do something? ! i am tired. i am so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families out there. i am so tired of the excuse i m sorry, i m tired of the moments of silence. enough. steve kerr is best known as an nba champion player and coach. most sports fans know him as a fantastic communicator and every postgame press conference where he broke through and spoke to america was when he spoke from the heart after the mass shooting in uvalde, texas. last week, steve kerr announced he will be endorsing joe biden for president and we will find out why. he joins us now. it s a pleasure to see you. tell us why this endorsement and why now? it s clear that president biden is interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence prevention measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of different gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much and i know we can prevent lives. president biden is adamant that he is going to push for commonsense laws that can do that. i know trump will not do that, and so it s a simple choice for me. are you voting for joe biden against donald trump? i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me, everybody needs to vote their conscience. i am voting on a few issues, but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old so i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know gun violence is the number 1 killer of children in america. i know there is so much we can do about this. i think most people out there agree with me whether you are republican or democrat. 80% of people in this country want universal background checks , doesn t matter your political affiliation. we can do this but we have to steer the cruise ship. it will take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt her life was impenetrable. nothing could get you down and bad things did not happen to you. what do you say to the folks out there who thinks gun violence is a problem but it will not affect their life so they don t make it a voting priority. you just don t know. it s such a common occurrence. the chances are likely that you will not be impacted, but there s a good chance that you will also. that is a scary thought. i have a granddaughter who is 18 months old. i am thinking about when she goes to kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills, and the trauma the kids all across america go through just from those drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is so traumatizing, and it s a terrible thought that all our children are feeling this way. again, we know that comm laws save lies. they absolutely do. there s so much we can do and it s my civic project that i like to work on is trying to help get, as i said, the ship moving. it will take a lot of work. it s up to us as private citizens to insist the government take the necessary moves to make that happen. there s a lot of public figures who share your views. many did endorse president biden in 2020, but many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you and you will get heat by all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? it s too important to save lives and it s important to do something that s important for our country. not that i can do anything by myself, but i do have a platform. if i can get the message out there, it is so important for families to talk about this issue. neighbors, friends, this is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. again, it could be your own child. your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country and not just pass it off as this is the price of freedom. that s what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us, but it should be kids able to go to school and not being afraid. there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment and protects citizens with simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot button but it s not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that, and that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. you said it right there. it s a political hot button but not when you go in people s homes and use it other tables and talk about what matters to them. i do want to talk about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about and that s obviously basketball. you played with michael jordan. you know how this superstar was treated early, and the attention he got. given your first-hand knowledge, what do you think of caitlin clark s treatment so far in the wnba? i think it is a rite of passage for young players whether the wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a superstar. he is not who he is now. he had to get stronger and had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with caitlin right now . it s all in the name of competition. she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player but like every college player who comes in, it takes time and they ve got to get stronger and more used to the contact, physicality and athleticism. she will be fine and everything she s going through now is part of being a pro. what do you think of the fact she won t be at the olympics? i am so excited. i am sorry that she won t be there but she ll have a great chance in four years. when you put these teams together, all you care about is winning. it s probably going to take caitlin a couple of years to be at the top echelon. the women s team is taking the 12 players they think can help bring home the gold and that s with the men s team did. that is the name of the game so no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. and i sure hope you do this year. nobody remembers when steph curry was not an absolute superstar. it s always great to see you and thank you for joining us tonight. we will have more of the 11th hour. 11th hour. rt working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. i don t ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i m committed to golo for life. thank you for watching. we were just talking about the summer olympics, it s worth noting, that minutes from now, we will officially be two years out from the 2026 world cup that will take place right here in the u.s. after 30 years, and you can stream all the action live on telemundo and peacock so get your countdown clock started now. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. okay, there is a lot going on tonight.
that s going to do it for us tonight. i told you it was going to be a show and a half. now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. that evening, rachel. i listened to episode one of the new podcast today, and i ve got to ask you a favor. could you stop doing this thing where you reveal really dramatic, interesting stories about united states senators i ve never heard of? because, one of the angles of me getting a paycheck out of this place is i pretend that i m like the senate expert around here because i worked there for a while and this is not helpful, rachel. i spend the day listening to you tell me about a senator i ve never heard of and by the way, the single most dramatic thing that has ever occurred in the russell senate office building where i used to work and i did not know what happened until today listening to you, and it s not supposed to be like that. i m very sorry. i will start doing podcasts that are about like state legislatures and states you ve never been to. and rachel, i am filled with questions and possible spoiler questions that you are free to deflect, but could you possibly join me after i get a little worked on here about donald trump s probation, to talk about the podcast because there are just so many things i want to see if you can answer and then of course there are things you might not want to answer. i would love it. i look forward to answering your questions and to dodging them. all right. just get into your slippers well i do a little chat with andrew wiseman. thank you, i will see you in a minute. today was a routine workday for america s 93,900 probation officers. but, one of those probation officers had the least routine workday of that probation officers life today when that probation officer in new york city became the first probation officer in history to interview a former president of the united states. donald trump s first probation interview today is a standard and necessary part of determining what sentence donald trump should receive after a manhattan jury found him guilty of 34 felony charges of falsifying business records with criminal intent to violate new york election law and the 2016 presidential election. the probation department will use donald trump s responses to date to determine what sentence the probation department will recommend for defendant trump at his sentencing hearing on july 11th. in yet another demonstration of donald trump getting extra favorable treatment while he is complaining of being persecuted, judge merchan allowed donald trump s defense lawyer to attend the first probation meeting and allowed the meeting to take place virtually with donald trump in florida. special treatment for donald trump did not go unnoticed by the legal aid society, vermont defenders, new york county defender services and neighborhood defender services. they issued a joint statement saying all people convicted of crimes should be allowed counsel in their probation interview, not just billionaires. this is just another example of the two-tiered system of justice. presentencing interviews with probation officers influence sentencing and public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the option of joining these interviews virtually is typically not extended to the people we represent either. to ensure integrity and fairness, we call on nyc department of probation to ensure that all new yorkers, regardless of income, status or class, receive the same presentencing opportunities. nbc news is reporting that the interview lasted less than 30 minutes and that donald trump s probation officer is a woman. cnn is reporting that the commissioner for the new york city department of probation was present, along with general counsel for the department. joining our discussion now is martin horn, former commissioner of new york city s department of probation. thank you very much for joining us tonight. first of all, we want to get a sense of how unusual this was. we already have the sense that it was a bit unusual, but as to the presence of counsel and it being remote, you have these people representing other defendants, saying that is never available to us. that is correct. it is highly unusual. i think it is appropriate to make some accommodation and recognize the fact that when trump shows up his going to be accompanied by secret service. he s going to be accompanied by the press, and his presence might be disruptive, so the idea of doing the interview remotely doesn t trouble me that much. i think it is somewhat appropriate and certainly during covid, we made use of these remote kinds of interviews. i think you could make arguments both ways. the presence of counsel is highly unusual, and the presence of the commissioner is something i have never heard of in 40 years in this business. can you think of a reason for doing it if you are a commissioner at the time, would you do it? would you join that meeting? no. i cannot think of a reason to do it. i think it skews the interview. i think too many people in the room is distracting and disruptive and not conducive to candor, so no. i definitely would not have done it and i don t think it should ve been done in this case. 30 minutes is the report we are getting. what do you make of that? sounds abbreviated to me. usually these things take at least an hour. the content of what this interview was supposed to cover, and what the court is supposed to address is spelled out very explicitly in state regulations and it goes on in some length that it covers a wide array of issues. i don t believe they could be addressed and half hour unless mr. trump just refused to discuss all of them, which was certainly his right to do. there is reporting that he did cooperate and answer all the questions. i m not sure whether that is completely true but i m assuming that. what do you think are the most important things they should have obtained in this discussion? the judge certainly knows the defendants. he does not need to know much more. i think the important question to be addressed here was aggravating or mitigating circumstances. this was an opportunity for the defendant to set forth mitigating circumstances, and for the probation officer on behalf of the people to set forth any aggravating circumstances, but perhaps most importantly is the question of whether, if this individual is not sent to prison, but is granted probation, is this an individual who is likely to accept the terms of that probation and the supervision of a probation officer? and, what with the terms of probation be, and what would that supervision be like? all i can speak to is the typical case and obviously this is not the typical case, but typically a probationer would be expected to report to the probation office periodically, certainly no less than monthly at first, to keep the probation officer apprised of his or her comings and goings, certainly not to engage in illegal activities, not to associate with individuals engaged in illegal activities, certainly not to miss use drugs and alcohol, to fulfill his or her financial obligations both to his or her dependents, but also any fines or restitution that has been ordered. what about associating with people who have been convicted of crimes, many people around donald trump has been convicted of crimes. historically this has been discouraged by probation agencies around the country. it has been liberalized somewhat recently but i think it is something the probation officer appropriately would discuss with the individual to determine whether it is the association that is occurring for a good reason or not. thank you very much for joining us tonight and sharing your expertise. this evening in florida, donald trump s favorite federal judge whom he appointed, denied trump s request to dismiss the case against him for violations of the espionage and act and illegal possession of classified documents. she wrote checks myths prosecution or other permitted by law, raise evidentiary challenges not appropriate at this juncture and/or do not require dismissal even if technically deficient so long as the jury is instructed appropriately and presented with adequate forms as to which defendants alleged conduct. judge cannon did grant trump request to strike one paragraph of the indictment about donald trump s alleged meeting with a representative of his political action committee believed to be his campaign adviser, susie wiles, and his golf club in bedminster, new jersey in 2021. the indictment says donald trump showed that person a classified map at that time. judge cannon said that because showing that map is not one of the charged crimes in the indictment, it is quote, not appropriate to include it in the indictment. in the ongoing scandal that is the united states supreme court, now there are tapes, thanks to lauren wednesday, winsor, who was interviewed by julie reid earlier this evening. lauren windsor is a progressive activist known to approach important republican people pretending to be an hour, making flattering comments than secretly recording their responses. she is a dues-paying member of the supreme court historical society, which has corrupted itself into an organization that allows right-wing supreme court influencers to comfortably influence right- wing supreme court justices at the annual dinner of that organization. last year at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner, lauren windsor made recordings of her chats with supreme court justices that even she found so uninteresting she did not publish them. this year was different. she got samuel alito to agree on tape to the goal of returning the country to quote, a place of godliness. is a catholic and as someone who like really cherishes my faith, i just don t know that we can negotiate with the left and the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right. one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult you know because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised, so it s not like we re going to split the difference. that s what i m saying. i think that the solution really is like winning the moral argument, like people in this country who believe in god love got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. by contrast, chief justice roberts responded very differently. you don t think there s like a role for the court in like guiding us toward a more moral path? no. i think the role for the court is deciding the cases. that is for the people we elect. that s not for lawyers. i guess i believe the founders were godly, like were christians, and i think that we live in a christian nation and that our supreme court should be guiding us in that path. yeah, i don t know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and those muslim friends would say maybe not. let s not our job to do that. our job is to decide the cases as best we can. and samuel alito made his wife very much a public figure by blaming her publicly for flying flags supportive of the january 6 insurrection at the capital at their homes, you might expect mrs. alito to have little to say to strangers about flags. and you would be wrong. what you think they re coming after you? i mean like the whole like appeal to heaven flag was like right. the other thing is feminazis believe they should be in control. feminazis was a term coined by rush limbaugh. fox news had not even been invented yet and so samuel alito s wife is quoting material from rush limbaugh that is over 30 years old. that is how long she has apparently been listening and taking direction from the likes of rush limbaugh. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus like because i have to look across the lagoon at the flag. for the next month and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag. i said i will do it because i m deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense, i am putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, and every week i m changing the flags. this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag into white and it is yellow and orange flames around it and is the word for shaman italian. andrew weissmann, msnbc legal analyst and co-author of the best-selling book, the trump indictments. andrew, this is quite an interesting window of sound into the thinking of senator alito and chief justice roberts. well, the description from both of them could not be more striking in terms of where the country is, and you know, we are hearing from a man who is the principal architect for the reversal after 50 years of roe versus wade. his thinking is in that decision is, i think, just this week as his thinking that was shown in the letter he submitted trying to justify the flag incident, and you also have this dichotomy because you have the chief justice saying what is of course the correct thing to say, and we are on the eve of getting a decision on presidential immunity and it is a real sort of blot on this country and the judicial system had to be so direct that you have justice alito and justice thomas sitting on decisions that is not the way the country is supposed to be operated. it s not the way the court is supposed to be operating and their conduct is reflected on these tapes but their conduct in many ways even without these tapes is something that is really besmirching a really important branch of government in this country that we are entitled to count on and it is very hard to have faith in the system when you have that kind of conduct in these types of tape recordings coming out. we also have in these tapes now something very close to proving that samuel alito supreme court justice lied, lied publicly about the flags and the reason for the flags being up because here is the person who he is blaming on the flags being up saying she wants to do these flags just because of the flags that other people have including the pride flag that somehow is oppressive to her. absolutely. there is nothing in there about a response and we know that even that story, the timing of that story did not make any sense in terms of what it was supposed to be in response to, as we have now heard with respect to the police report and the neighbor across the way, and so what is really amazing to me is that there is just zero accountability of the supreme court and that is where chief justice roberts is much as he may be a good man personally and obviously said the right things which you don t really get credit for that for saying the right thing because that is what is expected but that is where he is to blame for not taking stronger action and there are a number of things he can do that would put more pressure on two justices who are really not upholding their oath of office in a way that helps this country , whatever side you are on. if you saw this from a so- called liberal justice i think we would be just as outraged and of course you would hear just as much but rightly from the far right that it is not appropriate behavior. you know, i will speak for me and i think this applies to you. i spent most of my life finding it inconceivable that we would be doing a story about a supreme court justice lying and lying about something important in public that affects the integrity of the courts on decisions and i am now realizing in retrospect that the reason that was inconceivable was really the supreme court justices themselves who we grew up with, who could not possibly step in these things the way samuel alito and clarence thomas have, but especially a leader with the flags and his wife making his comments to a stranger about the flags that have become something far beyond controversial. the flags that they are flying that share the spirit of the january 6 insurrection, all of that just completely inconceivable not because of any ethics enforcement body, but simply before because who was actually serving on the supreme court, whether we agree with them or not during most of our lifetimes. i want to point out one other aspect of what he was hurt now on tape saying, which is that the christian nation should be brought more to be a christian nation and as a jewish-american, that is not what our country is about. there is an establishment clause that is supposed to separate our religious beliefs which everyone is entitled to their own, but it is not established by the government, and that principal is very much under attack right now with at least five, if not six justices, but hearing that from justice alito s mouth basically just rips off any sort of pretense as to what is going on, and it really tells you very much how dishonest the dobbs decision was that reversed roe versus wade, this idea of we are sending it back to the states. that is not what is going on. this was part of a religious fervor that was animating what was going on, and you have justice alito really just saying it out loud, whether you like the idea of the tape recordings happening in the way they were done is neither here nor there, because you know, there was nothing that prevented him from responding in a way that justice roberts responded, which was entirely correct. the tape reveals the profound depths of the stupidity of samuel alito. we are out of time for this discussion. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, our next guest needs either a very long introduction or no introduction. i will decide which one during a commercial break. rachel maddow joins us next. has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with 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for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office. i think some of them [ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. wyoming in the 1940s. wonderful wyoming, state of promise, land of far horizons. horizons, promise, also, pigeons. lots of pigeons. there was a serious infestation of pigeons. that is roger mcdaniel, a wyoming historian and author. he also served in both houses of the wyoming state legislature, and the pigeon infestation he is talking about was that his old workplace at the wyoming state capital. that is the start of season two of rachel maddow presents ultra, the broadcast in which rachel once again introduces us to a u.s. senator i have never heard of. lester hunt is the man who climbed out on the window ledges at the state capital to drop poison to kill the pigeons. lester hunt, when he did this, was the newly elected governor of the state of wyoming. it gives me pleasure to introduce to you at this time the honorable lester hunt, governor of wyoming. he set his sights on the u.s. senate and he won that race. a distinguished guest for the evening is the honorable lester c. hunt, the senator from wyoming. the most popular politician in his state. lester hunt, newly elected u.s. senator, he heads to washington to do what he has always done, to advocate for his constituents, the people of wyoming and also to try to do some good for the rest of the country. he is as poised as anyone could be for success in that job, but things are about to change for him radically. what he is about to encounter in washington will cost him his life. he will not live to see the end of even one term as a u.s. senator. joining us now is rachel maddow. you can get the first episode of ultra, second season now anywhere you get your podcast or subscribe to msnbc premium on the apple podcast up to get every episode early and add free. rachel, i can t take it. listen. we have 10 minutes. it s just us. tell me all the rest of it right now. like i can t wait for the next episode, just go. so then what happens? well, and then there is us at the end of it. it becomes the america that we know. i m not going to tell you the whole story. thank you so much for letting me come onto your show to talk about it and for listening to it and for liking it. lester hunt is i mean, he is not a completely forgotten figure, but the thing things went so badly for him very quickly after he got to washington that went i have tried to do in episode one is create the lost sense of possibility. he really did lose his life to the scandal i am writing about and working on in this podcast and it is a huge loss for the country because he did have a long, bright future ahead of him if everything leading up to his life and that moment was anything to go by and i feel like i have become really good at resurrecting old villains we had forgotten about from history, but lester hunt is one of the good guys that we need to unearth and remember his legacy, too, and the loss of him is something that went really wrong with extremism in american politics. it is something we should regret and remember and commemorate. yes, so he is a democrat getting elected in republican ohio wyoming, a difficult thing to do and impressive no matter when you hear that. he is kind of the jon tester of his time there in that situation. but, apparently very naove when he gets to washington in such a way, and i m speaking beyond what i know because all i know is episode one but clearly, he gets eaten up by washington, so this is a drama about more than him. so, what happens with him, and you will get there very quickly in the next couple of episodes, is that he is confronted in the senate with the first major thing he does in the senate. there is another senator who is in the opposite party, who is his opposite number and this other senator gets involved in a nazi propaganda campaign, this dirty false conspiracy theory tale that is designed to hurt the united states, and lester hunt realizes what this other senator is doing. he is repulsed by it in the come to loggerheads in the senate over this thing the other senator is trying to advance in part of the reason i wanted to do this story is learning that while that is happening, while there becoming mortal enemies in the united states senate, they also lived next door to one another, and their backyards back up onto one in each and others houses and how they have decided they re out to destroy each other, they can see how each other is living, and that only ratchets up the revulsion lester hunt has for this other senator and he just decides you know what? i m going to take the political risk. i ve got to stand up against a monster like this and he does and it is for the good of the country and cost him his life, but what he is fighting for, and the reason he is fighting against that foreign influence operation in washington and the low down dirty depth some people were willing to go to for political gain is an inspiration to me even though it cost him his life. so, the first season of ultra taught us about the poll that fascism had in the united states, the attraction it had for some people, how far they were willing to go to advance the cause of fascism here, and that is pre-world war ii and into world war ii, that story, and this takes us to a period after world war ii where it hasn t you make the point that those people, most of them tended to disappear after pearl harbor, but that did not mean they stop thinking what they were thinking. it also did not mean they went away in politics. one of the things you and i talked about a lot with season one is that it became kind of a forgotten story, the great sedition trial, all the americans who sort of worked with a nazi agent who wanted nazis to win world work two were defeated in the united states and that means we forgot their stories and we forgot them pretty quickly. when they were all kind of let go and didn t get prosecuted for it, not successfully prosecuted for it or in the case of members of congress, none of them were prosecuted at all, their story was mostly forgotten and those of them that stayed in public life kept being the same kind of people they were before, and so, for example, one of the characters in season two is a guy who was part of the silver shirts and linked to the german-american phone that was riding for charles conklin s publication. those are all entities we learned about an altar season one. in season two, he ends up being the subject of an international years long manhunt by the united states government. they believe him to not be just an american fascist, but an american fascist and a traitor and possibly a nuclear terrorist. so, it just gets worse when these people get away and he ends up involved with a republican senator who is a sitting senator in the united states senate, so when you let these folks get away with things, it is important you at least keep tabs on them to see where else they re going to turn up, because it s never good. so, how many episodes, rachel? eight. and those of us who want 16 or 24, what do we do? so, you tell stories in your show that are similar to this. they tend to be 20 to 25 minutes, something like that. each podcast episode is significantly longer than that. what is the difference for you as a storyteller in the way you approach the podcast as opposed to the way you approach the show? very good question. so, the podcast is basically a little book. or a tv show, like if you think about it if you put of the episode links together it ends up being something that i want to be able to hold your attention for about four or five hours. in order to hold your attention for that time, it has to be well told. we use a lot of archival audio, a lot of historical audio. finding the wyoming audio archives to get the sound of lester hunt s voice was an incredible odyssey and super fun, but the idea is that this is a single story arc that cannot be told in the course of a tv show. you need to stick with it for an eight-episode arc but by the time you get to the end of it, you should ve learned a whole nothing about american history and hopefully be propelled along the way by the dramatic interest in it, so that it sticks. i want these stories to be memorable. i m not just interested in these stories because they are not well known. i think they should be well known. like, we should all remember lester hunt. we should all remember there was an internationally wanted american fascist fugitive who was involved with the republican senator at the onset of the cold war. we should understand what happens when the great sedition trial in the united states and with all of those people getting away and all of those seditionist movements effectively getting away without ever being held criminally accountable for what they ve been charged with. i want those stories to be vernacular, to be part of the way we think about our history as americans in dealing with really strong, antidemocratic challenges, because we have a strong antidemocratic challenge right now so we should do what is in our armamentarium of options for how to respond to it and what has worked well in the past and what is not. and, the key to this kind of great drama is even if you don t care about democracy, and i don t understand you if you don t, but if you don t care about democracy, this is still great drama with great characters, perfectly told by america s friendliest voice to tell you scary things. the good news is, these scary things are kind of over, except there are big threads of them still with us now. rachel, by the way, an alternative name for altar that you could have considered it s more letters, but stuff lawrence o donnell doesn t know. that could be the title but it s hard to squeeze it into a small state space. i like america s friendliest voice for telling you scary stories. i may hit you up for the copyright on that. you got it, it s yours. thank you, lawrence. thank you, rachel. can t wait for more episodes. thank you. remember, you can listen to the first episode of alters second season everywhere you listen to your podcast. coming up, there have been only two presidents in the history of the united states who have issued pardons to members of their family. president biden has promised he will not become the third as leger deliberates the case against hunter biden. that is next with andrew weissmann. is next with andrew weissmann. cologuard is for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. i did it my 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well, before we get to that i want to point out that compared to the opening where we talked about justice alito and the concern about the rule of law in this country, this is an example, as was the new york criminal trial, of the rule of law working for you see the courts function even when you re dealing with the former president or in this case, the son of the current president. i think they re focusing on intent. the proof here is very strong that there was possession of the gun. there is very strong evidence of the addiction hunter biden had, and the issue is, was healed she aware during the relative time periods when he signed the form that said essentially he was not an addict, did he believe that he, at that point, was an addict and also during the time he possessed of the gun, for about a two-week period, did he believe he was an addict? in other words, there is an intent requirement. making a mistake is not for criminal law. that s for civil law but this is a criminal case so i think they re going to be focused on that. also there is sufficient proof, if the jury wants to find it, but abby lowell is an extremely good defense lawyer and we will see if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, but i think the big picture for the public is less what happens in this case and the fact that you have a president of the united states living the rule of law in this country, and you have the rule of law working, even for the president s son. andrew weissmann, thank you very much. we will be right back. very muc. we will be right back. for pneumococcal pneumonia. i m getting prevnar 20 because there s a chance. .pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you re 19 or older with certain chronic conditions. like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, .or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults. .to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. don t get prevnar 20® if you ve had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. that s why i chose prevnar 20®. ask your doctor or pharmacist about the pfizer vaccine for pneumococcal pneumonia. for moderate to severe crohn s disease skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn s disease. control of crohn s means everything to me. ask your gastroenterologist about skyrizi. control is everything to me learn how abbvie could help you save. choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. chris counahan for leaffilter the permanent gutter solution that protects your home in so many ways, it takes more than one chris to explain it. but together, i think we ve got the job covered. like leaffilter s has your gutters covered. protecting you from getting up on this thing to clean out your gutters ever again. and you know how else leaffilter protects your home? 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Moore is editor-in-chief of christianity today character matters is what he said after the new york verdict and what ralph reed was reacting to in his answer the russell, it s good to have you on the program. ralph reed went on to say that voters make a nuance differentiation between private character and public character. and he said, i m not voting for this person to be my daughter s husband or to be my pastor. does that argument is an argument you accept? is there a difference between private and public character with mr. trump? or should there be that s not an argument that i accept and it s not an argument that we as have angelico christians have made over the last 50 years here s instead, what we ve always said is that if you can t trust someone with your daughter or your wife, you shouldn t trust that person with the nuclear codes the argument that we here, there, i ve heard before, but i heard it from the left in the clinton era i never would have imagined then that i would be hearing it now from us