media, if people don t believe us. one of the reasons they don t believe us is because of the way the last election was covered, which was overwhelmingly in favor of one candidate over another. that is not surprising given that there is no politically diversity in the press corps. politico did a study on this. how many registered republicans in the white house press corps? zero. that s a huge problem, don t you think? i m a registered independent. i think it is important to be neutral when you are covering politics in the white house. tucker: do you i agree with you. you think of the people covering the white house are objective? i do. we went to read their twitter feeds? i can t speak for every member of the association. s i think it is very important to be neutral. i think it is important to report the facts, it is important to report robustly with the president is doing. i think you should do that regardless of whether the president is a republican or a democrat. tucker: i agree with that vehemently. let s drop the pretense. here is the pretense. the pretense of objectivity or the press in washington hates donald trump. he baits them. it s a two way deal. he doesn t like them and he goads them. but they rise to debate every time. in so doing, they reveal what they really think politically and that undermine their credibility. you have to see this because we are marinating and it. do not acknowledge that is happening? i would acknowledge it is important when such reporters, be they correspondence on television or print reporters of the new york times or reuters or any other news organization, to make a mistake, they should correct it. i think it is important. i think having bias is not acceptable. i think it s important, however, also to know when a consumer of news, whether you are looking at a program that is biased or is not. there are avenues, as you well know, act places like fox come at that place is like other networks, if you watch tv, you will get a certain angle, you get a certain opinion. tucker: know what you are watching, know what you are reae correspondence need to stay in their lanes. tucker: i do an opinion show. do you think the people that watch you know it s show? tucker: i don t know why they would think that. i never say that. in contrast to the people standing in the briefing room, who are telling us on camera, i am just here to report the facts. then, you read their twitter feed, and it says i hate trump. they are out in the open libera liberal. do you have a specific example? tucker: we have done like 15 shows on this. i know a lot of these people. they have always kind of been liberal. but it s totally open. the new york times correspondence, for example, we had the ombudsman for the new york times, read all these tweets from these people, her correspondence, she couldn t defend them. i am just saying, is that of the association, don t you feel the credibility of the report as you represent is undermined when they wave their opinions run a public? i think it is important to report the facts in the news and to stay neutral. tucker: you would encourage your members not to reveal their political biases in public? was not the correspondence association s job to tell her members how to do their jobs. it s not. we stand up for the values of truth, the values of reporting the facts and values of the first amendment, which is to have acted to the president, to be able to do our jobs and that is why we advocate for it. tucker: the idea that your readers or viewers believe you is a central not just business model if you had a white house press corps that was 100% middle aged white men, there would be a full-blown outcry about the lack of diversity. i bet you 100 bucks, doesn t look at america. if you have not a single registered republican, and a country in which the congress, the majority of governorships, the white house, held by republicans, but doesn t like america at all. yet, i don t think he would wring a thing about it, are you? the white house correspondents organization has no impact over who our members hire. i can t tell fox, which is a member of the white house correspondents association, you need sent this person or that person crispy when i m not you to there was no racial or ethnic diversity, presumably, you would say this isn t right. do you think it s okay that there are zero registered republicans of the white house press corps according to politico? i think what is important is that we have a press corps made up of journalists who report the truth and who robustly report on the president in united states. tucker: diversity doesn t matter? of course diversity matters. tucker: but not political diversity? diversity is important to me. it is important to me in a row that i play. tucker: [laughs] we are almost out of time. his political diversity important? is diversity important? tucker: political diversity. speak of my job is to tell what they do is report the news, regardless of what political party controls the white house. tucker: i wish i believe that, i don t. jeff, thank you. my pleasure. tucker: time now for news abuse, we highlight the excesses of of the american media. president trump sat down with eric bolling a fox and said that despite his rhetoric on saturday, he doesn t actually hate the press, except sometimes he does. watch. not all of the media. i will tell you, that is unfair the way they cover. they say that the media, i am against the media, i am not against the media. i am against the fake media. if you look at cnn, the way they cover me, no matter what you do, it is negative, hits, hits. so, i love the media. i think the media is great. if i do something bad, treat me badly. but they don t tell it like it is. tucker: a media reporter for the hill. he was there on saturday at the correspondents dinner and he joins us. what do you think? what i think of the white house correspondents dinner? tucker: yeah. first, i would like to comment on jeff mason s interview. he spoke there that night. i am utterly curious and confused here. he admitted to you that under the trump administration, tucker, that there has never been better access. all i know is when i watch the daily press briefings, sean spicer takes more questions than josh earnest ever did, there are more reporters because of skype another press passes have been given out to other different kinds of reporters and ever before. i know that president trump gave nine major interviews last week, including without lady it s like the washington post, cbs news, reuters, wall street journal. then i hear them on saturday night to say there are threats n united states. we must remain vigilant, the world is watching. i got a first amendment pen when i walked into the dinner. wait. i don t get it. on one hand, the trump administration is totally about access, and on the other hand, they are a press their first treatment is being threatened. how does that square, tucker? i think the references changing of libel laws. you think that is going to happen? comments were made by reince priebus on sunday. jeff mason raising his comments on saturday. i think they will be change? i don t know. i don t know. i can t answer that question. it s hard, it s very hard if you are a public figure, to sue an outlet if they reported negative news about you that is completely false. you have to show damages. you have to show that there was actual damages that occurred and you hardly ever see anybody won outside of hulk hogan, who sued gawker out of insistence. otherwise come you don t see it happen very often. tucker: i wasn t there. i was on the other side of the continent. i usually go. but watching the tape of it, as i did today, it seemed from beginning to end, hostile to the president. let me be totally clearly still not clear. i think reporters job is to hold the powerful to account, but this seemed personal. absolutely it seemed personal. no question about it. there was vitriol toward donald trump, tucker, that we have never seen with any other president. i base that our numbers. media research center. i get they are conservatives but i did a study that showed 89% of stories are negative toward donald trump. okay. let s go to the swedes. they have a company called media tenor research firm. 97 out of 100 stories by the cbs evening news and the nbc nightly news were negative toward donald trump and his first month. i get at that 65, 35, it will skew negative. for 97-3, that tells me that there is probably an agenda there. by the way, a threat to the first amendment doesn t happen when a president is mean to the press. when he is nasty to them. that is exercising his first amendment rights. you could say it is beneath the presidency. what we are confusing trump beig made to the press with first amendment being suppressed. the first amendment, tucker, was under threat under the obama administration. they spied on james rosen. not only that, at this network, james rosen. they designated him as a flight risk so they were then have to tell them about their surveillance. they secretly seized associated press phone records. they rejected a record number of foia request, freedom of information requests. those are threats to the first amendment. jeff mason should have been speaking out to that at other white house correspondents dinner s. parties should have been canceled, boycotts should have happened under the obama administration. actions, obama, words, trump. that is a difference here. tucker: we actually have just mason still in our studio. would you like to respond to any of the things that judges that? the first thing i would respond to, joe, sort of like at the top clip of the show, you cherry picked my words and you guys are critical of how reporters report. you are leaving out a good chunk of what i said. i talked about access. i said that. i said you said there was good access. what you did not say, when i talked about the first amendment, the first amendment being under threat, i talked about the rhetoric that has come did you ever make that comment under the obama administration of the first amendment was under threa i m the president of the white house correspondents association now. tucker: let me ask you guys really quick did you ever ask about that? tucker: do you think of tomorrow, the graduating class of byu, brigham young university, came to washington and got jobs in the white house press corps, 80% of the reporters working in the briefing room were graduates of byu, du, jeff first, do you think the coverage would change it anyway? i have no idea how the coverage would change. tucker: of course you do. [laughs] of course it would change. i think it is important for journalists who come to be part of the white house press corps have the objective of reporting the truth. mack. tucker: do you think that if people that came from a different, diverse background were brought here to washington? not like everyone else? would it affect the coverage? the problem is, tucker, i don t think they would be hired. [laughter] they wouldn t get the chance to do it in the first place. tucker: gentlemen, thank you both. coming up, today is made a come of the great state for labor protests around the world. instead of marching for workers, today, actavis demanded open borders. real talk to a protest organizer about what that means exactly. stay tuned. when you have allergies, it can seem like triggers pop up everywhere. luckily there s powerful, 24-hour, non-drowsy claritin. it provides relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 different allergens. live claritin clear. tucker: international made a protest got violent in paris but the french were the only ones taking to the streets. across the united states, protesters marched against immigration laws. in the bay area, marchers demanded open border, shouting no ban come a for all. executive director of the coalition joins us now. thank you for coming on. thank you for coming on. tucker: i am 47. i have watched a lot of may day protest. imagine my surprise watching and international workers day protest that was designed over 100 years ago to highlight the concerns of workers, wages, arguing on behalf of policies that would lower wages. i thought, boy, global capitalism is pretty tricky. i got you guys to advocate on behalf of the chamber of commerce. how did they do that? tucker, it had nothing to do without. tucker: really? yeah. i was a 500,000 people in foley square and we were there to make a statement about the shared values that we have as a country. that is that immigrants are part of the solution. immigrants have been making america great for centuries now. immigrants are workers, they are business owners, they are employers, they are neighbors, families, and friends. we wanted to join with hundreds of thousands of people all across the country in peaceful protest to make that statement that we will rise up and that we will fight back. tucker: okay. i kind of agree with what you said. i am for immigrants and they are all those things. they are great. but they are also one of the reasons that the wages for american working class families have stayed stagnant or declined because when you have an overabundance of something, and this case labor, it its value falls. there is no controversy about that. you are advocating for that. you are advocating for lower wages for workers. i just don t know why. that is not what i am arguing for. in fact, we said today that it s important to pay fair wages for everybody. here is the fact. the facts are that immigrants contribute so much to the american economy. here in new york from the state comptroller s estimate they add $230 billion in economic value. they pay $10 billion in taxes here in new york city. new york city happens to be one of the biggest cities in the emigrant capital of the world. we know that emigrants add tremendous value as workers but also has employees and small businesses. tucker: for sure. i want you to track with me, steve. these are average working people. let s say i work for 12 bucks an hour and someone comes up to work for seven. to my wages go up or do they go up? they go down about happens across the country. there is no debate about it. a lot of studies show wet. the chamber of commerce have a big employees are for it. you are forward, to? i m confused. are they paying you to be forward? why would you before it? it doesn t help working people. they certainly aren t paying me for it. tucker: are you sure? i m very sure about her. here s what i would say, tucker. the fact is, it s not that simple. we live in a global economy. we don t live in a simple equation where one person s wages go up and the others go down. it s not a zero-sum game. when you look at the impact that immigrants have come it is tremendous. this is something that people see not only here new york city, but all across new york state, as well. in buffalo, rochester, even in places like utica. those are all places that are deeply in trouble, as you know, but a class is dying. the middle class is dying in new york city as you may know. i think you follow this since you are on tv arguing on behalf of it. let me ask you some questions. we have about 1.1 million people come here illegally every year. what is the optimal number, how many want to lead in their workers that you represent? i m not an expert in the number of specific immigrants coming in. here s what i will tell you. these cities that you just mentioned, not only those cities, but buffalo, albany, rochester, though cities are in dire economic straits not because of immigrants, but immigrants are part of the way forward. that is been proven time and time again. immigrants add value. they stabilize neighborhoods, they pay taxes, their great workers and business workers. we should figure out how to get more immigrants. tucker: you don t know how many. you are making the case but you haven t actually thought through how many is a good number because you are not going to get into the economics. you were arguing the economics. let me ask you one more simple question. how is it, if i work in a depressed postindustrial town, and say the service industry, for a bunch of people come and who are willing to work for less than i am used to working for, why is that good for me? it s good because immigrants will commence, we have actually seen this upstage. immigrants will, and, they will help to stabilize neighborhoods, they were, they patronize local businesses, and they spend their money, as well. it is absolutely unquestionable. tucker: hold on. let me ask you a simple question. why haven t unemployment rates gone down in those places? picket town. how about lewiston, maine. a ton of somalis. they are immigrants. employment rates have gone down. unemployment has gone up. why is that? immigrants are part of the solution but they are not the solution in and of itself. a place like new york city camo you look at the economy, over the past 25 years, the economy has gone up at the same time the immigrant rate has gone up. tucker: no, actually, the financial services industry floats all of new york city, as you know. it has nothing to do with immigration. okay. i just wish the left were more serious about economics. they used to be. i don t know what happen. steve, think about it. we can talk about economics any time. tucker: coming up next, at least one member of congress has moved on from wanting an investigation into president trump s ties to putin and his going all the way right to impeachment. do not pass go, impeached. his congressional letter becoming even more demented. we ll tell you. take on the mainstream. introducing nissan s new midnight edition. hey. pass please. i m here to fix the elevator. nothing s wrong with the elevator. right. but you want to fix it. right. so who sent you? 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(laughs) that was my movantik moment. my doctor told me that movantik is specifically designed for oic and can help you go more often. don t take movantik if you have a bowel blockage or a history of them. movantik may cause serious side effects, including symptoms of opioid withdrawal, severe stomach pain and/or diarrhea, and tears in the stomach or intestine. tell your doctor about any side effects and about medicines you take. movantik may interact with them causing side effects. why hold it in? have your movantik moment. talk to your doctor about opioid-induced constipation. if you can t afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. last week of a democratic congresswoman maxine waters of los angeles speculated that congressman jason chaffetz is retiring because he fears exposure is a russian agent. this past weekend, she went further than matt, believe it or not. she said is it it is already time to talk about impeachment for president trump. watch. this pressure connection is a serious issue. i have been talking about it for a long time. each day, we learn more and more about it. the guardian article brings us even closer to the facts. something took place, meetings have taken place, conversations have taken place. i have always said that i believe that there was collusion. if we determine the facts, if the dots are connected, that there has been collusion, then i really do think that this president could be impeached. tucker: we have asked congressman waters many times to come on the show, begged her staff and every time she has declined. we are still helping. instead, we turned to a former dnc, sr., advisor. he joins us tonight in the studio. great to see you. great to see you too, tucker. tucker: my question if you come for those of you who are really on the wavelength, really understand the rush of conspiracy, why impeachment? why not life imprisonment, the death penalty. it seems weak sauce. let s be clear. not a lot of us are talking about impeachment. the word we are talking about s investigation. we need an independent investigation i can get to the bottom of this because the fact that we know right now are very and very scary and we need to get to the bottom of it. tucker: wait, you are not telling me that you want to find the extreme to maxine waters of los angeles? by the way, how long before she calls for a life in prison? first off, congressman waters his well-equipped to defend herself. tucker: really? other democrats defend her. why not now? i am a big fan of hers. the letter i word we should be talking about it is investigation and independent commissions that can get to the bottom of this potential tucker: there is an fbi investigation already going on. unless you think the fbi do you think the fbi has been penetrated by russian intelligence? i think we should treat this scandal likely what other scandals. there are multiple lay of investigation. we need investigations, we need independent commissions to get to the bottom of this. tucker: i am confused. if the fbi has not come as you alleged, been penetrated by vladimir putin s secret servicea tool of the kremlin, too, that is an open question to you. weight. i am sorry. what is an open question for me? tucker: the fbi s completely on the level, then, we don t need a series of why does this scandal deserve less scrutiny than other scandals? the iran-contra scandal? why does this not deserve an independent commission? tucker: [laughs] because there is no evidence that anything happened? it kind of insane? that would be one reason. they had 181 senate staffers in the intelligence committee working on that investigation. there are seven that are here. tucker: i have already looked that up. when i saw her say that, you were the first person that came to mind. thought zach is on this frequency, you are getting the radio waves. [laughs] tucker: i was wondering, has she gone too far even for you? my theory is that maxine waters is the voice of the democratic grassroots, the radicals. i wonder if they are so far out on this russia thing that they are going to make you look moderate by comparison, if they will force democratic leadership to treat this like a war crime. when you talk about where we are right now. there is an active investigation going on right now. if the fbi is looking as to whether or not there was collusion. the facts we have right now, in terms of the communications between top aides of donald trump and russian spies, we know that that happen. carter page talked to a man in moscow that runs the division that deals with u.s. elections. tucker: i m sure he did. paul manafort. tucker: you are saying carter page was in top aid to donald trump? [laughs] by donald trump was asked who his foreign policy s advisors would become a carter page. tucker: he said he never met the guy or talk to him in his life. i have asked this to every guest on the subject. most other channels are ignoring the russia thing because it edges embarrassing ruffle. i will never let it go because it i enjoy it. now, that we are moving toward war with russia based on the decisions of the trump administration, do you think it it is possible to claim he is a russian puppet? i think it is absurd to say we are on the path to war with russia. tucker: that is what russia claims. that is with the foreign minister of russia just said. number one, if you are talking with a tomahawk missile strikes, they were a couple of deescalated moves right after that. for example, putin said he would retaliate by cutting off communications between russian planes and american planes. he ended up not doing that. tucker: it s a ruse? i knew there had to be. this is a fake. i think we should take eric trump s tweet at his word after the syrian strike, when he said, now, this proves there is no collusion between russia and syria. i think that this was done at a time when there was a lot of scrutiny. the rhetoric tucker: eric trump is also a russian agent. as ivanka to? i didn t say he is a russian agent. if he is, he is a pretty bad one. tucker: i want you to come back and fill us in it new installments as a conspiracy deepens. any time you want baby. [laughter] tucker: today and not standing there best news, the previous deported illegal aliens has been arrested after he allegedly sexually assaulted a 9-year-old girl. his name is santiago martin as florist. he is a criminal history stretching all the way back to 1994. he was deported back to mexico in 2001, 16 years ago. in the not so shocking development, he was able to sneak back into this country. he made his way to oregon. once there, he was pretty safe. portland is famously a sanctuary city, where the liberals in charge regard immigration law as unworthy of enforcement. guess what happened next in february? police say he broke into a family s apartment and attempted to sexually assault the young girl. she was able to escape with the attacker got away before the police arrived. he was only captured a few days ago while trying to flee back across the mexican border. sound predictable but awful? of course it is. we don t attempt to draw a connection between the crime and the immigration policies of the left, or else you are against diversity. by the way, immoral. coming up next to my public school principal is on leave tonight for screaming out teenagers who dared to oppose abortion. watch this. these children are being murdered in our society. they are not children, they are cells. go home! tucker: those teenagers will be here after the break to tell us what this guy is like in class. stay tuned. and hey, unmanaged depression, don t get too comfortable. we re talking to you, cost inefficiencies and data without insights. and fragmented care- stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list. for those who won t rest until the world is healthier, neither will we. optum. how well gets done. talking about about a holoco into the inner city. these are god. you can don t talk to my students. do not understand what i say? do not talk to my students! sir, you need to turn to jesus christ and be free from your sins. [laughs] listen here, son. i am as as the day is long and twice as funny. i don t give a [bleep] as what you think i should be doing. tucker: apparently, this guy is an actual person, he has been placed on leave. connor and lauren hayes join us tonight. thank you for coming on. do you go to the school? at the scene for us a little bit. how did this happen, who is this guy? we don t go to that school. we are homeschooled. we decided to go out to downingtown west high school because they had a holocaust symposium so we thought it would be a perfect opportunity to talk about abortion, which we consider the holocaust of our day. tucker: lauren, did you all attack this guy or did he just come out you? passivity represent what happened? we were not planning on going there, we are planning to go to the other high school. god had his hand in that situation and he wanted us ther there. we were standing there and he came out about 5 minutes after we had been standing there. tucker: for you all using profanity or attacking anybody or doing anything? that would offend a person? no. besides the fact that jesus christ is offend people, no, we were not cursing or banging on windows or anything. our goal in being out there was just to engage with students about the gospel of jesus chris jesus christ. if they repent and believe in jesus christ, they can be set free from their sins. we were out there talking about that and also about abortion, because there is a lot of high school students involved in fornication, so we could talk to them about abortion and how it is wrong, it is murder. just to be able to engage with them. that is why we were out there. tucker: did this guy intimidate you? whatever people think of your message, of course you have an absolute right to express it because it is america, or was any way. did this guy intimidate you? a little bit. honestly, that stuff, people have yelled at me before, especially when i have been out in philadelphia and stuff. it wasn t anything that i was too surprised by. it was a little bit intimidated but definitely not too much. definitely, i mean, as christians, we are promised practically that we will be persecuted for the name of christ. tucker: now, connor, you are wearing a shirt that says abolitionist on it. what does that mean? i m not a pro-lifer or anything like that. i want to totally abolish human abortion. it s a group called abolish human abortion. we speak not to regulate abortion, but to call it murder and what it is and to completely abolish it in the united states of america and in doing that, bring the gospel into conflict with child sacrifice. that is why i call myself an abolitionist, just because i m not a pro-lifer trying to regulate abortion. it needs to be completely abolish. to be within a pretty countercultural message. you have an absolute right to express that. thank you very much, connor and lauren, good to see you. up ahead, britain s national student union is implementing a ban on clapping and cheering. why? because they are offensive to the deaf and those of the anxiety disorders. it s a real story. this is the weirdest story of the day? wheel debated when we come back. we will debate it when we come back. stant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum -tum -tum -tum smoothies! only from tums remember when you said men are supeyeah.ivers? yeah, then how d i get this. .allstate safe driving bonus check? .only allstate sends you a bonus check for every six months you re accident free. silence. it s good to be in, good hands. up in arms or hands, and the now, they are being accused of being white supermarket cysts, and basically tucker: why? because it is a hand symbol that is basically associated with white supremacy. tucker: a okay is now racist? to go like that? especially if you are white. tucker: [laughs] i thought i was well versed in this. is it real? what happened to the old-fashioned bird? tucker: [laughs] i think this is okay around children. it means good job. your teacher says it. good job. it also looks like a turkey. tucker: that s bizarre. it s bizarre. tucker: katie pavlich. they also across the pond in the u.k. are completely out of control. there is a liberal political student group they are called the national union of students. they proposed that at any school event or any of the events they have had for this union meeting, that they ban clapping and cheering. because it is sensitive to people who cannot hear. therefore, deaf people are not included in the festivities. so, this should be used instead just celebrate things. tucker: jazz hands instead? [laughter] they say that clapping can trigger clapping-based anxiety and therefore, they should not be cheering or clapping at these events. tucker: that s insane. what about blind people? where does it end? i would say it is patronizing to people who cannot hear to be pointing them out and saying the reason we are not cheering and doing this, embarrassing like five euros, because you are ostracizing us in making sure all the attention is on our disability. imagine if they spent the amount of energy on stuff like this raising money to help research for deaf organizations or something like that. instead, they are just focused on making sure you use the gesture. tucker: all of these stories, we will find out in the end, are funded by some covert right-wing group to his credit liberals. it is to stupid. i don t even believe your story. i know enough to believe yours, catherine. you win. here is the hand dressed her praise. when you get the cover ted participation trophy. everybody gets a trophy. 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there are a terrible a lot of lies going about in the world of the worst of it is is half of them are true. that s our story, thanks for sharing it with us tonight, tucker carlson coming up next. tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight, president trump is watching yesterday, he has rendered his verdict. he said a former fbi director james comey s testimony is a major victory for the administration s side of the russia story, in effect a complete vindication. president trump: yesterday it showed no collusion, no obstruction, that was an excuse by the democrats who lost an election that some people think they shouldn t have lost because it s almost impossible for the democrats to lose the electoral college as you know. you have to run up the whole east coast and you have to win every thing as a that s just what we did. it was just an excuse. james comey confirmed a lot of what i said. tucker: you might be able to find some overstatement in there but here s what s true. as of 8:00 p.m. eastern time tonight, donald trump is still the president of the united states. that means on the most basic level, his testimony failed to achieve its goal. removing trump from office was the goal. there was collusion, russia hacked our election, salts are democracy, imperils our way of life. you hear those lines all the time, but nobody in d.c. actually believes that. that s why nobody ever explains how exactly it happened or what specifically the effects work because they have no idea and they don t really care. they just want trump gone along with anyone else who was in the way, russia is just a means. first they tried racism, rubber that? he was supposed to be the biggest races, hillary clinton based an entire presidential campaign on that, it didn t work. in the end, trump at a higher percentage of votes from some minority groups, not a good strategy. somebody creative came up with an idea of trump as a traitor, a russian agent posing as a 70-year-old new york real estate developer. it kind of worked, half the country seems to buy at and 100% of cnn viewers were all in. it s been all putin ever since then, mike flynn lost his job, others may follow. now they are trying for jeff sessions was not only the attorney general but probably the most smartest and principal person in the entire administration, he s got to go. and of course he s a russian spy now too. afterward he went behind closed doors with the senate in details, that conversation was supposed to be secret that s the entire point of a closed-door meeting, needless to say someone like that almost immediately. apparently he suggested jeff sessions may have interacted with russian ambassador sergei because lack in the spring of 2016. may have, suggested, he doesn t really know. neither does anybody else. even if it s true, who cares? what does it mean a question mark doesn t matter. house minority leader nancy pelosi never want to wait for faxes already demanding that sessions resign over it. i did say on march 2nd that he should resign as attorney general. tucker: yet he should resign, but with the crime here exactly? is there evidence jeff sessions worked with russia to elect president trump? never has been any evidence of that. here s what he is accused of doing. last september, he had met with russians in the office, it was one of the 25 times he met with an advance at her in the course of his official duties. then he spoke at an event in global partners in democracy. dozens of investors attend at that event which was organized by the obama administration, probably russia planted there too. after his speech, he spoke to ambassador kislyak who is not a spy, whose job it is to speak to senators. he never hid either of those meetings, he said they took place in his capacity as a senator and had nothing to do with the trump campaign. there is zero proof that he is lying about that, but he became under a lot of pressure and recuse himself from any justice department investigation. you would think that would end the matter but of course it didn t. this is not about truth or fairness much less protecting this country from foreign threats. it s about toppling let s not lie about it a democratically elected government that the permanent class in washington doesn t like. collusion with a foreign government against the interests of the united states is tantamount to treason, it s definitely a moral crime and we would never defend it and we would attack it of course. there s no evidence it actually happened. this whole story is a hoax, it s a lie and those who tell us are beginning to believe. that is the definition of mass hysteria commits deeply hurting our country. otherwise smart people pressed forward as if it s all entirely real despite mounting evidence it s not real at all. yesterday jim comey told the senate that a major new york times story from february that pushed a russia collusion narrative was actually garbage. that report for the new york times was not true, is that a fair statement? in the main, it was not true. the people talking about it often don t really know what s going on are those of us actually know what s going on are talking about it, and we don t call the press to say it you got that thing wrong about this sensitive topic. we just have to leave it there. spoon the story and question you won t be surprised to learn was based on anonymous sources and r he made his remark, and at times admitted he couldn t even find those resources for a response. whatever, the russians hector democracy, let s find another which to burn. america s ruling class is going crazy. victor davis hanson has some perspective on that, he s a retired professor, after watching our hearings yesterday, where you more or less convinced that donald trump and his associates worked with the russians. i was less, i think he s sort of a tragic figure the more he tries to salvage he s character of the more he denigrates it. almost everything he said it wasn t logical. it wasn t the habit of the fbi to comment on ongoing investigations but all of our information about donald trump s came from the fbi leaks. we know on three occasions he went out into the public and commented on the status of the investigation on hillary clinton. it didn t make sense. he wrote a memo because he said after trump it was such an extraordinary conversation, he felt so compromised that he might have to record on a government computer. on government car come on government time, yet he also testified that loretta lynch did not suggest but gave him a direct order an intrusion into investigation. and yet he didn t go out and write a memo on that occasion. this a lot of things that don t cooperate with each other. loretta lynch is at the core of all of these because it undermines almost everything he said. when he said he was shocked that trump hinted that he would like to see flynn and treated well, she gave him a direct order and unlike trump or she apparently resisted, he did not resist that pressure. he was very upset about trump s suggestions but it had no effect on the investigation which we know continued and then he didn t object to trump the way he didn t object to loretta lynch is pressure either. he didn t go to jeff sessions or any subordinates. it was just not convincing. you brought up the new york times piece that february article was a signature moment that developed, it was based on anonymous sources. he was using euphemisms when he said he doubted the veracity based on the sources. all of that is a euphemism for unmasking and reverse targeting surveillance. it s the subject of a subpoena by the house intelligence committee. it may be the subpoenas have any veracity that samantha power or susan rice or john brennan were using surveillance of foreign operatives to find information about political appointments, unmasking those names and licking them the to the press. no wonder the new york times says it can find the original sources because they are either under cepeda or their subordinates shortly will be. no wonder comey doesn t want to get anywhere near that story because there may have been people in the fbi who were doing the same thing with those people. tucker: i would never claim that the trump administration or the presidents himself are blameless, i don t think they are. i think they made a lot of mistakes and it s frustrating to watch. it does seem to me that he s democratically elected, he is the president and a group of unelected people, bureaucrats mostly are trying to undo the results of that election. i m not a conspiracy not. you see that happening? yeah, absolutely. barack obama right in the middle of the investigation, an ongoing investigation said there was nothing there. we know presidents say all sorts of things and confidential conversation, that s one thing. the second is this is sort of a narrative that is political in origin because it tries to delegitimize trump, there s no evidence of collusion. it puts pressure on purple state house members they should be very careful about aligning themselves with trump on key issues if they can calcified or ossify the house that seems to be weak. finally, there is one narrative that seems a very foreboding, did the obama administration s oath and he would be willing to swear to that under oath. would you be willing to speak under oath? president trump: 100%. if robert mueller wanted to speak with you about that? president trump: i would be glad to tell them what i just told you. tucker: it was hard with the impeachment triggered democrats are hoping for but i told her to spend to their advantage all day. i found it quite stunning. it s not everyday you have a former director of the fbi saying he couldn t trust the president. i think comey came across as an honest man under oath against a president who doesn t focus on muscle tension of telling the truth. he demanded loyalty, he wanted the case against his friend to go away and he obsessively hounded the fbi director. i think we saw confirmation in his restless testimony detailing the frightening reality of president trump s pattern of contempt for justice. tucker: democratic their collusion, based upon the evidence, there was no collusion. the fact that russia included the mic intruded into our election process should be troubling to everyone. nobody saying it didn t happen. tucker: i m sick it didn t happen. they re not 22 intelligence agencies in this country there are 17 and that includes the coast guard. not one person who was ever made that allegation to me has explained how they affected the outcome at all. they didn t have the election, they did alter the election, the whole thing is a hoax. we know that it was hacked. director, yesterday said there was no doubt whatsoever it said from the senate. we don t know what the effect is we don t willing to give it out. we don t know whether people voted for donald trump or hillary clinton because of the hacking. what we do is know was that there was hacking, it involved exposing internal workings of the democratic party. we do know that. that s up for debate. spill not not only is it up for debate. everything is up for debate because nothing is settled. what you have is a lot of mindless people who don t know any details nodding in unison, on a host of other subjects in washington, the truth is if you go and look at the details, the dnc s servers were never examined by the u.s. government by the fbi because the clinton people wouldn t allow that. actually it is an open question, there is no evidence at all. all we can say is that you say that hacking didn t happen or we didn t know whether hacking happens but the director of the fbi, under oath so that hacking happened there was no doubt. tucker: who did it is the question, senator burr asked director, he said i have no doubt that russia interfered with our election process. tucker: what does that mean? nobody wants to get into details because they don t know the answer. two different questions, the questions are did it happen? i think that has been decided. did it happen, what the effect is, i m willing to give you interactive bipartisanship, and willing to give you we don t know the effect but we know what happened. tucker: we don t know the details. is not a meaningful claim unless we can explain what the clay means. it happened we don t know the effect. tucker: you can repeat it as much as you want, but it s meaningless unless it s companied by details and is not. the attorney general of the united states is loathed by the left, i think that s legitimate. they are now trying to take them out of commission to the extent that he artie has been on the ground that he is somehow collaborating with the russians. to his internal disk credit and shame suggested on a cowardly way yesterday with attic splitting what he meant. i m asking overly simple question. this guy come at the attorney general brushed elbows with the russian ambassador, does that make him a collaborator with the russian government? what we know is that at least two times last summer during the course of his worth so much work as an advocate and surrogate for the trump campaign, attorney general sessions met with russian individuals. one of them probably being the russian ambassador. what we also know is he did not properly disclosed that when asked during his senate confirmation hearing in either the prefilings and his actual testimony. i m not even going to call it a crime. what we know is what he met with them, we also he did not disclose it. this is why he voluntarily recused himself. tucker: we don t know actually paid the washington post reports that director comey says there was a third contact undisclosed. tucker: he said he didn t know. the washington post is reporting that the mic. tucker: i think he gave depression appeared he recused himself tucker: let s be totally bill, let s stop the innuendo. if you speak to the russian ambassador at an event organized by the obama obama administratn knocked acting for your there is nothing wrong with that, not qualifying for the campaign activity, is totally nonsinister and now people are claiming that that is enough that he should resign. tucker: i hear you do disclose that in your preamble. we don t know that public events at the rnc were the limits of his contact with russia. again, he should have disclosed it. if nothing else, even if those contacts were not sinister, he should have disclosed and he failed to. i m not saying it s a climb stomach crime. spoon teenagers disclose it if he met with the russians in his capacity as a trump campaign surrogate. that was not the question he was asked in his confirmation hearing. he was asked if at any time in the course of last year. tucker: it does not mean he s working on behalf of the russians. you need to explain why you did it. tucker: your impugning the russian domestic repetition of decent men for politics and it s wrong. if you met with them for totally innocuous purpose is to say yes i did and this is why. i don t know, that s the reason. it should have been up for question if one of the judiciary committee. tucker: think this moment is degrading our standards of justice? 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should i do that? let me get back to james comey s testimony you said he didn t tell the truth, did he ask for a pledge of loyalty from you, it s another thing he said. president trump: no he did not. he said those things under oath, would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version. president trump: 100%. if robert mueller wanted to speak with you on that? president trump: i would be glad to say what i just told yo you. tucker: and coulter joins us tonight, what did you think? i m glad donald trump threatened james comey with those conversations being taped, what he had to say changed quite dramatically once he had to worry that they might have been taped. everyone forgets this but when trump sent out that tweet saying he better hope that room wasn t taped, when he tweeted that, the biggest story that comey was leaking was that trump had tried to obstruct justice by interfering with an investigation of a crime. the crime was michael flynn contacting the russians during the transition. whatever flynn did during the campaign before he was working for trump s relevance. we note thanks, comey admitted that, he said i want to know about i should know if any of my satellites should know if i add in proper context. what he was talking about was the firing of flynn. that was being billed as proof of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. then it turned out a few days later, it was appropriate for michael flynn to be talking to the russians, the only reason he fired him was because he had allegedly misled vice president pence. when he says go easy on flynn, don t let these lies continue about that contact with russia being illegal, evidence of a crime you re investigating him for committing a crime. something that james comey also did not know until the testimony was released the night before he testified. three times told president trump that he was not under investigation. what were his grounds for refusing to tell the public that? it s utterly outrageous, a private citizen who is under investigation looking at in the police refused to say they ve cleared you? tucker: because we might declare you guilty in the futur future? i doubt you ever fell for this but the four months i was taking it was a very literal man was taking it seriously and looking for evidence that trump colluded or whatever it s dawned on me that this is just performance art, it s all a hoax. if they succeeded getting trump out, guess who is a russian agent next, mike pence print this is not about russia or national security or hacking our election. it s all a lie. you re absolutely right about that. ask me if it s a nice day today. tucker: is a nice day today? i can t tell you because it would require a duty to correct. that s the most insane argument i ve heard for not being able to clear someone for something that is ripping up the front pages, comey won t even say that trump isn t being investigated because if i make a statement about reality, there s a future, then what will i do? 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obviously because of the counterterrorism efforts. tucker: why would there be counterterrorism efforts aimed at muslims. kaman tucker, you re a smart guy, you know what that is pittsboro and i m a man who has questions about scant question about the statement you just made. there are acts of terror that are committed in the name of a law that do not reflect the muslim community. bill and they may or they may not. he will concede this is not entirely random it s not that that u.s. government or police acting out of, this is a real thing. i don t understand why groups like yours want to acknowledge the reality of that because it s there, it s true. i don t understand why other groups wanted knowledge of violence is it exclusive to the muslim community. it s not axles of to my religio religion. we see people being targeted a way that s unfair. we also have this rise of white supremacists and alt right violence that s being. you can t ignore that it s happening. tucker: if you re reading only salon all day maybe you ve been convinced of that. the truth is, there are hard numbers kept by the u.s. government that show exactly the number of people who died and how in terror attacks in need of states. the truth is there is no comparison. there is a problem with people self identifying as muslims murdering other people. i don t think you re implicated in that i m not saying you are. i don t know why you re not more upset at them. i m an episcopalian, for my own expense when i go to the airport and i go to untangle a pair of headphones and i get visited by somebody from tsa. it s that type of thing. we have to look at the fact that it s not necessarily tucker: this is a sincere question, you re asking for someone to pay for a safe space, i want examples for the kind of things that muslims believe they can only say in a safe space and could not say on this show or on a street corner, what kind of things with a way saying it is safe spaces? i don t think it s something they can t say elsewhere but they have internal community dialogues. to hash things out to have his complicated discussions. something else i want to be out in the forefront that the islamic council of victoria has done in collaboration with the board of imams is to speak out against violence against women. these internal community dialogues, acknowledging that there is an issue of violence against women, there needs to b be s built in the muslim communities. in all committees. tucker: to know how all identity pallets domestic politics converges at the markk tucker: primarily are american, your first and foremon american what mark i m black first. tucker: end of conversation conversation, the judge overseeing the case is tied to planned parenthood, remember the group, will tell us why the judge shouldn t be ruling on abortion-related matters. it s an interesting story, stay tuned. the national abortion federation suit of the group over the videos and in response a federal judge imposed a gag order in contravention of the first amendment and common sense. that order ordered the group not to release additional videos. can he roll on something like this? the group says he has a strong personal to a planned parenthood affiliated clinic at all to recuse himself. david allowed the n is the center for medical progress is founder and he joins us now. thanks for coming on. one of the reasons that this story piqued our interest is it s a clear violation of free expression. our interpretation is were not allowed to show these videos which i believe are real on our air which seems un-american to me. it raises obvious questions like who is the judge that would make such an order, where has he coming from? you have a veneration that might that. judge orrick is someone who used to run a planned parenthood clinic in san francisco when he was a longtime keyboard member they made a decision while he was on the board of directors to host and embed a planned parenthood clinic and set up their own office headquarters based in san francisco. that s information that he never disclosed to the senate judiciary committee and he never disclosed to the defendants in these lawsuits from planned parenthood. tucker: how do you know what s true? we know it s true because of the 990 forms that were filed by the family resource center that judge orrick was was a longtime keyboard member of. he had only said to the senate judiciary committee that he was a member of the board of directors of that organization that to this day is hosting a planned parenthood clinic embedded in its office space. judge orrick only told them he was on the board of directors until 1999, it turns out he was actually persisting on the board until 2003 come along after they had invited planned parenthood into their space, host of them at, and embedded them on their premises and continue to do so for many years. tucker: that seems like an obvious conflict of interest. is there anyway that you could use that fact and i m assuming it is a fact to get him off this case? that s exactly why the center of medical progress have fired a motion to disqualify him from this case. a clear case from this long-standing personal and professional relationship with planned parenthood who is both a name to in a lawsuit and has membership in the national abortion federation which has been suing me for over two years at this point. judge orrick has long-standing personal and professional ties to planned parenthood and the abortion industry, a pre-existing personal bias and prejudice in favor of them, and clearly has a conflict of interest at the end of the day, this is the same reason that someone shouldn t be hearing the same case or the lawsuit of his brother or someone he s related to. tucker: of course, the net effect is to prevent the public from saying something that is real, that is true. nobody is contesting that. they re like these are fake videos, they re not fake videos, they re not fake videos, there no longer even claiming that. this judge is preventing news organizations from broadcasting them publicly. that s an authoritarian and insane. has the aclu coming to their aid, you would think they would have an interest in civil liberties it s in our name. maybe they will, i hope so. planned parenthood the biggest abortion business in the country whose senior level leadership is caught on camera now for all the world to see harvesting and selling the body parts of unborn brothers and sisters, they are colluding with the organs of power in the state of california to silence citizen journalists solely because of our viewpoint viewpoints. tucker: it s exactly what you would never think could happen here and it has. we can identify as a man can be you can identify as a woman, some identify as exotic genders. can you identify as a hippopotamus clutch market not a rhetorical question, it s happening. is it the weirdest story of the day, top that s coming next so you can own the road. track-tuned handling, so you can conquer corners. aggressive-styling, so you can break away from everyone else. experience the exhilaration of the bold lexus is. experience amazing. hey ron! they re finally taking down that schwab billboard. oh, not so fast, carl. oh no. schwab, again? 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there is obviously something not right so you probably would be in danger. tucker: why is that out-of-bounds quotes mark if she says she s hippopotamus, you re a bigot to suggest otherwise, gabby. i m going to identify right away as the winner of this competition. i think it s important to talk about things you re an expert i in, a brooklyn beret is offering a craft beer called general neutral to celebrate pride mont month, a pale ale with a lemon zest. it s a confluence of a few different things. a cornucopia of hipster liberalism. you have brooklyn, craft beer, and you have the rejection of the gender binary very important. it s a refreshing way to watch don t heteronormativity. tucker: you can to deny basic biology and get drunk at the same time. everything i dislike in the whole world disrupted in the single can, you win because how could the hippo story not when? there is no way that cannot be allowed to. what s the argument against it now? if you are what you say you are, and okay. hippo lady. she felt as a hippo. tucker: i m not going to comment on that. that s a bridge too far, thanks to you both. we ll be right back. trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief. this summer, join the movement and take someone fishing. and there s no better place to get someone started than the bass pro shops gone fishing event. learn more at basspro.com/gonefishing. you doyou ll see whatet but in you re really made of. after five hours of spinning and one unfortunate ride on the gravitron, your grandkids spot a 6 foot banana that you need to win. in that moment, you ll be happy you partnered with a humana care manager and got your health back on track. because that banana isn t coming home with you until that bell sings. great things are ahead of you when your health is ready for them. at humana, we can help you with a personalized plan for your health for years to come. itit s how well you mow fast. it s not how fast you mow. .it s how well you mow fast. woooh! it s not how fast you mow .it s how well you mow fast! it s not how fast you mow .it s how well you mow fast. they re not just words to mow by, they re words to live by. the john deere ztrak z345r with the accel deep deck to mow faster, better. save 500 dollars on the z525e ztrak residential mower at your john deere dealer today. the uncertainties of hep c. wondering, what if? 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(vo) introducing the subaru impreza. the longest-lasting vehicle in its class. more than a car, it s a subaru. tucker: you may have remembered lauren duca after something called teen vogue. i was a little snappy with her and she has been milking that appearance ever sense. she gave a college commencement address and became a lot more famous than her talent would suggest it s possible. hillary clinton herself sent a personal letter to lauren saying excellent work for teen vogue. along with her courage and poise. the internet is not a friendly place for women, clinton s note says. especially for those that want to speak their minds and challenge systems of power. hillary clinton is from a different generation. give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she s never been on the internet before. otherwise, how can she write that? the internet is unfriendly to everybody. that s what happens when people get the comment anonymously. irony of ironies, she sent a tweet about donald trump dying in a plane crash. to hillary, that s challenging systems of power. for a writer, lauren duca can barely write. even for someone paid to produce propaganda for a kids magazine. we need to stop donald trump from threatening the sovereignty of an entire religion she wrote at one point, she began another piece this way the white house vortex of scandal has rationed to back ratcheted to new heights. never in the history of language of metaphor is been treated so poorly. the frustrating thing is there are impressive liberals out there who can think and write clearly. lauren duca is not one of them. hillary loves her because she thinks duca is a victim. she gets more and more famous and more revered on the left. maybe she will be honored by the pope and dalai lama. she could get the nobel prize for literature. we could be making fun of president lauren duca, assuming that s still legal by then. we better stop. we are making it worse. that s it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 for the show that s a sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. i have the best weekend. our friends at the five no matter what we do, we watch the five. it is that good. share the experience. next, live from new york.
missiles are not used to bomb runways. officials say the strike seen here from the two u.s. navy destroyers was meant to sent a message to the assad regime and its allies. a russian drone was seen over the hospital where victim s of the chemical attack were taken. on a lighter note, the fox news learned the skipper of one of the warships that launched missiles at that syrian airfield is a graduate of the u.s. naval academy. the u.s. ambassador to the united nations would not rule out more strikes from the commander s ship. we are prepared to do more. but we hope that will not be necessary. reporter: i m told one of those warships in the eastern mediterranean is steaming toward an undisclosed location where the ship will rearm. kelly: the u.s. taking a closer look at the relationship between syria and russia. nikki haley telling a special u.n. session that syria was able to carry out the brutal chemical attack because of russia s support. assad did this because he those could get away with it. he thought he could get away with it because he knew russia would have his back. that changed last night. as i warned on wednesday, when the international community consistently fails in its duty to act collectively, there are times when states are compelled to take their own actions. the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons against innocent civilians is one of those times. kelly: joining me now, israel s ambassador to the u.n. thank you for joining us. i want to get to what ambassador nikki haley said. she said any time the international community fail to the respond to this type chemical attack, do you agree? absolutely. it sends a clear message by telling the russian community we ll not tolerate the use and spread of chemical weapons. and the message was sent to do mass discuss, iran, north korea and the security council that sat idly by. the iranians, when they see instability, they are happy. today they are taking advantage of what s happening in syria to build their presence in syria in the future like what they are doing in lebanon. the control of hezbollah, the terrorist organization. 100,000 rockets in hezbollah. they want to see the same in syria. hopefully we ll see some kind of understanding and iranian militia on the bored with israel. kelly: as a former defense minister who served in is raim, the united states, what should it be doing now in if the future in terms of bringing some stability to that region? i think the u.s. showed leadership. we saw other countries following the u.s. when you make a strong decision, people follow you. in the future the u.s. would say, we ll not accept resolutions, we ll take action. they sent a strong message. we have seen other democracies following that. kelly: look at the timing of it. syria took this hostile action. bashar al-assad took his action against his own people. but it happened at a time when the president had just finished wrapping you have meeting with the president of jordan, egypt, iraq, saudi arabia. there seems to be a consensus within his foreign policy to bring those entities together to form some sort of coalition. would that koa lition be able to help israel in dealing with the formidable forces posed against you? i think it s important. i was not in those meetings. but the issue of iran, iran is a threat to israel and the entire middle east. and those moderate arab countries familiar with that threat. when they come together to speak with the american president, that s the first step to mordr move forward on the bad agreement signed with the iranians. kelly: president trump has been arguing against that even before becoming president. when he was candidate trump he said it was a bad deal. now it looks like one of your staunch enemies there is actually trying to build a nuclear armament. is that something else the united states should be looking out after? we know you certainly are. he s a bad deal. we should think about new sanctions against iran. bringing those leaders together not only israel, will be the first start to dealing with the threat of iran. ambassador haley took a strong stance and we are happy to see that. kelly: be sure to watch fox news sunday when chris wallace speaks with one of the people who helped plan the syrian miss soil strikes. general h.r. mcmaster is giving his first television interview ever since becoming national security advisor. be sure to check your local listings. julie: new reports suggesting some changes could be come together trump administration. this as two of president trump s top advisors are said to be at odds. steve bannon and the president s son-in-law jared kushner apparently meeting in south florida yesterday to sort things out. what are you hearing? any truth to these reports? reporter: the white house says no. there is no question that tension has been brewing between bannon and kushner for quite some time now. this strike in syria believe it wide open. bannon is a non-interventionist. he doesn t think the u.s. should tint screen in places like syria and there are reports he was against this strike. but there is no question kushner is safe as president trump s senior advisor and son-in-law. that leaves people like steve bannon and reince priebus are vulnerable. a senior administration official put out a statement last night. it sphreeds once again this is a completely false story driven by people who want to distract by the successes taking place in this administration. we are talking about that meeting last night. we learned this meeting took place at mar-a-lago it was attended by bannon, kushner and priebus. we are told president trump ordered it and told them to bury the hatchet. we are told all sides agreed to move forward. but it s difficult to see how that will happen given how deep these divisions run. but in the end the decision relies upon one man and one man only, that s president trump. he has prove within his strike in syria. he s not afraid to stir up the pot and do things differently. kelly: a suspect in custody following the deadly truck attack in sweden. brian llenas is following this story from new york. reporter: they believe a 30-year-old uzbekistan man is the driver of the stolen beer truck. this is cell phone video of the suspect being arrested 25 miles north of stockholm. we do not know the suspect s name or whether he s a legal resident of sweden. we do note suspect had been on intelligence services radar for some time now. police conducted overnight raids questioning people in connection with the case, and they have not ruled out more arrests. meantime a nation mourns. people are placing flowers at the high-end department store where the truck slammed into people in the center of sweden s capital. monday was declared a national day of mourning. we agree we grieve with the families that lost their loved ones. but we are determined to be an open society, democratic society. that s something i m confident the swedish people also feel. reporter: the suspect drove the stolen beer truck 500 yards through a pedestrian street before plowing into a department store with shoppers repairing for the weekend. they found an incendiary device inside the truck. it had a home made bomb inside. the attacker suffered burns from the explosives after they failed to detonate properly. this truck attack is similar to what we saw in london in march where a british national plowed a car into pedestrian on a london bridge. julie: the u.s. marine corps announcing its first punishments connected to an embarrassing nude scandal. kelly: house intel chair devin nunes temporarily recusing himself from the probe into russia. we ll look at what s next for the complicated investigation. here is the top democrat on the committee. significant as this is now, there is no way we can allow the investigation to be deterred from the much more important issues at stake. to folks everywhere whose diabetic. .nerve pain shoots and burns its way into your day. .i hear you. when that pain makes simple errands simply unbearable. .i hear you. i hear you because my dad struggled with this pain. make sure your doctor hears you too. so folks, don t wait. step on up. and talk to your doctor. because you have places to go. .and people who can t wait for you to get there. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands. step on up and talk to your doctor today. yeah, cause i got allstate.? 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[ doorbell rings ] who s that? show me watchathon. xfinity watchathon week now until april 9. get unlimited access to all of netflix and more, free with xfinity on demand. ke type for a quick check of the headlines. the marine corps demoaght two marines in connection with a nude photo scal scandal. current and former female marines coming forward to say photographs of them were posted online without their consent. two dozen other military members are also under investigation. california governor jerry brownish ewing an order to lift the drought emergency for his state. expert saying one rainy winter won t change the long-term outlook. a $42 million renovation on london s big ben. the renovation will last for self years. gejulie: devin nunes temporarily stepping aside on the russian investigation. where does the probe go now? sarah, devin nunes says this is temporary. second all says this is the extreme left essentially coming out after him. that it s some kind of hit job. is he being unfairly targeted for political reasons? there were progressive groups that did file complaints about his allegations that he unlawfully disclosed in his march 22 press conference. certainly partisan temperatures were running high on both sides. when chairman nunes did introduce the allegations that susan rice potentially unmasked members of the trump transition for political reasons injected a level of partisanship into the committee that made it untenable. it s a chance for the house intelligence committee to get back to focusing on its investigative duties. members were bashing each other in the media, but they wnl speaking face to face. julie: let s bring up susan rice. there is a correlation here. susan rice s name has come up and the question was whether or not she unmasked those individuals names for political reasons. she says it s complete hogwash. her spokeperson says it s not true and they are not going to address it. the bottom line is if for some reason there is evidence that proves she did unmask these names for political reasons, that is a crime, that s a felony. that s a serious accusation. is this a distraction from the nunes situation? what s key to remember is while nunes recused himself from the russia-related investigation, he s still involved in investigating these allegations of potential unmasking. those are totally unrelated to the russia investigation. nunes said the incidental collection was not related to russia at all. he s free to focus on that while he deal with the separate ethics inquiry. julie: could this have been prevented? let s say devin nunes got this information, shared it with others, but didn t share the with the president. it was when president trump made it a public scandal, if you will, because the mainstream media had a field day with his tweet about the obama administration allegedly wiretapping the trump campaign at trump tower. if it had never gotten to that point, do you think we would be talking about this now or would nunes have stepped down as he put it. if it hadn t gotten to that point perhaps nunes wouldn t have felt pressured to go public with his findings as soon as he did. he convened a press conference on capitol hill. went to the white house, briefed president trump and came out and talked to the white house correspondent. and in doing so democrats say he disclosed confidential information. it s not clear if that is in and of itself classified. he was careful about how much he let on about what was in those reports. but there does need to be some sort of review of this to put the situation behind him or the allegations will continue to follow him. nunes didn t want to put his members in a situation where every time they encounter a reporter. julie: he has only temporarily stepped down. most would say it s not temporary, this is a done deal. why the message think is not a permanent situation and all signs seem to point to the fact he s not going to return to that position? there is a black and white timeline to his temporary reprieve from that investigation. but it s not clear that that is going to be resolved quickly because that s being controlled by fellow members of the house. that could last an unknown amount of time that might be in their interest to drag out that probe. julie: as far as the russia probe is concerned, we need to reiterate the fact that there is no evidence of collusion here between russia and the campaign and the presidential election. no evidence whatsoever. but yet the f.b.i. has disclosed that they are in the midst of an investigation and president trump said this is all made up by the media. where is this coming from if the media is making this up, where are they getting their information and when will this be laid to rest? keep in mind what the house intelligence committee is suppose to be investigating is russian cyber activities during the campaign. incidentally that might involve these unsubstantiated allegations. that s what james comey said when he appeared before that committee. he said the f.b.i. was investigating russian hacking, and that inquiry had expanded to include allegations of trump associates colluding with russia. once those allegations had become prominent in the national conversation. he never said that was the focus of the investigation. and originally was not the focus of the house intelligence committee investigation. julie: no evidence on collusion or wiretapping. that s what they said. but we ll have to wait until the investigation concludes. kelly: a few months ago obama officials patting themselves on the back for a deal to get chemical weapons out of syria. susan rice saying it was a success. but are they praising themselves too soon? house speaker paul ryan says he s confident lawmakers are close to repealing obamacare. but with lawmakers off for the next two weeks, how close are they? we all believe it will lower premiums and provide add protection to affordable care. this brings us closer to the final agreement we all want to achieve. can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian. legacy technology can handcuff any company. but yes is here. you re saying the new app will go live monday?! yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. hearings and meeting, how close are they really? peter doocy is following this from our washington bureau. what are lawmakers telling constituents about an obamacare repeal today? the. pete: they are trying to make the case. just about everything congressman tom mcclintock says about healthcare gets him heckled. we want to be sure nobody is left in the lurch. that the new system offers a wide range of policies at lowest possible price. and that we stop this radical increase in premiums we are seeing under obamacare, and stop if the flight of providers out of the obamacare market. reporter: right up until house lawmakers went home for the two-week recess. the healthcare act has an amendment supported by gop leadership and solve of the freedom of caucus. speaker ryan says the 200-day plan for repeal and replace and reforming the tax code is still on track. kelly: some of the people aren t happy about this. they wanted to see something done. we ll watch to see the developments when those lawmakers return. how concerned are lawmakers about a government shutdown at the ends of the month? reporter: they will have less than a week to stop a government shut down at the end of this recess. they don t want any money from the s border wall in there and they don t want cuts to domestic programs which the white house has been asking for. and spokesman for senator chuck schumer receives the only thing that could derail that progress is the white house insisting on their extraneous demands that would meet bipartisan opposition. he says he thinks the democrats will like the infrastructure plan. but we don t know where it fits into the calendar. kelly: pushing us ever so closer to the cliff. julie: let s bring in republican congressman charlie dent from pennsylvania. a lot of people criticizing congress for taking this break. that was agenda number one and it wasn t done. should they be taking this break and getting this done? paul ryan says they are really close, but not close enough to get it done before the break. thanks for having me on the program. we are out for the easter recess. i don t believe we are as close as many would say on the healthcare bill. there was an amendment offered which on balance was good. $15 billion over 8 years for high risk pools. but there are structural flaws in my view with the legislation that will require a lot more work than being pro poatds in that amendment, even though the amendment on balance is good. the immediate issue when we get back is funding the government. i m on the approach a yaitions committee. the va is the only appropriations bill that cleared and is law. we ll have to make sure we complete our work in april. julie: let s talk about premiums. the rising premiums is something the gop had been highlighting. there is an amendment in there that would in fact do something about the premiums which by lowering the costs makes this more attractive. tell us about that. it provides for $15 billion over 8 years beginning in 2015-2026. the idea of a federal high-risk pool. that is supposed to help in some cases. so that s the nature of that amendment. again, i don t know that it changes the underlying vote total. some people opposed to the vote have expressed their concerns as well as the medicaid changes and tax credits not being sufficient. i voted against obamacare in 2010. i thought it was a mistake. we would be making a similar mistake if we tried to muscle a bill through. this is something like you say cannot be rushed. this is going to be and it fills need. but it needs to be done right. you voted against obamacare. it took them 14 months to come up with something you did not agree with, right? it s been a short period of time before this bill was rolled out. some would say it was rushed. for you personally what changes would you need to see in order to support this? a few things. one, i think we should pay close attention to what some of our republic can governors said who represent medicaid expansion in states like mine. john kasich, governor snyder. all put forward a proposal to us, a serious proposal on medicaid to provide a softer landing to medicaid expansion states. they are concerned the bill in its current form would be too much of a cost shift to the states. so if there is not a soft landing on medicaid, a lot of people on medicaid expansion will go uninsured. so that s a big issue. we have to beef up the tax credit pretty significantly. that s an issue. there is another issue. i think we should leave the revenue on higher income earners and then basically use that money to help pay for the tax credits. something else that concerns a lot of americans. people over 65, and also people with preexisting conditions, and this is a huge one. i have spoken with a lot of people who are scared to death if this preexisting condition is removed and somebody becomes ill, why punish them when they have to go and get health insurance. with the rising rate of cancer in this country in the number of deaths and number of families afflicted by this horribly der deadly disease. if they are afflicted with cancer or they end up paying a premium and essentially punished and they can t get health insurance for the same amount, why should they pay more? you know, it s a fair point. i think most us on the republican side agree people with preexisting conditions should be protected. we think that s sacrosanct. we think those lifetime caps and those caps on an annual basis. we want to protect people from those types of caps that are subject to annual caps. we want to remove those. keep those off. the 26-year-olds individuals will be able to stay on their parents insurance. a lot of republicans will understand sift those are maintained in any reform that moves forward. i know there are some who are pushing in a different direction were there are some pushing a repeal-only strategy. the truth is parts of the healthcare law need to be repealed. parts of it re-placed. and parts of it maintained. i think we need to get the policy right to match the red rick. kelly: just a few months ago members of the obama administration said they got chemical weapons out of syria. but in the wake of this week s attack, were they praising themselves too soon? our panel will weigh in. i thought i married an italian. my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry, through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian. he was 34% eastern european. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors we thought was italian was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn t know about. he looks a little bit like me, yes. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. get started for free at ancestry.com it happened in the eastern part of the country. we have no word on how it happened other identity of that soldier so far. u.s. forces have been fighting an isis-affiliated group in that region for the last few years. kelly: days after the chemical attack in syria, officials who work for president trump are under fire because they claimed all chemical weapons were removed from the country thanks to an agreement reached in 2013. just a few months ago former national security advisor susan rice called the deal a success. joining us scott bolten. thank you for joining us today. before i get to that. let me get to susan rice and what she had to say about these chemical weapons and how they dispensed with it in 2013. i think the president stated the u.s. view, the use of chemical weapons is not something we are prepared to allow to persist. we didn t. we managed to accomplish that goal far more thoroughly than we would have by chemical strikes against chemical targets by getting the entirety of the stockpile removed. kelly: with what took place this week with another sarin gas attack that resulted in deaths in syria, what possibly went awry with the obama administration making sure the chemical weapons were dispensed? clearly they were wrong. you have got a quote from susan rice. i feel bad for susan rice because she has been caught in several blunders from the benghazi blunder to the unmasking blunder to now the 2013 quote where she said they removed the entire stockpile. and then you have got a quote from john kerry in 2014 saying that they removed 100% of the chemical weapons. it really sets a tone for the administration really not following through. and either they didn t fact check which is bad, or they blatantly lied. either way, it s misinformation. it left it on trump s shoes to basically take care of business and finish business that the democratic administration has. kelly: it would appear chemical weapons are still there, the tomahawk missile retaliatory strike the u.s. conducted was to give them a stern warning to stop using the chemical weapons. what do you say about all of this? i have been tweeting about this. it s unfortunate the republicans want to directly or urn directly blame it obama administration. in 2013 this agreement had bipartisan support. in drawing the line on whether we were going to bomb niece facilities or not. we bomb these facilities or not. we reached an agreement and allowed russia to remove these chemical weapons. you don t know what the obama administration knew or didn t know. i doubt they were lying. over the last the four years this agreement was on appearance-wise was work. the people to blame are assad and russia. as rex tillerson a couple days ago, either russia was complicit or they are income tent. but you don t blame rice and obama. it s unfair, because this is a humanitarian crisis and all americans support taking out these chemical weapons. it s a national crime to do so. but blaming your democratic opponent. the campaign is over. start to govern, donald trump. kelly: some people are point fringe of saying he didn t. he was definitely disturbed by what he saw. infants choking to death because of sarin gas, and he took action. are you disputing that in terms of governance. he retaliated. what else do you expect him to do? a couple things. i think he has by part and support on this attack because of the international crime. but at the same time he has to get out of campaign mode and be in governance mode. bringing up obama or sue and rice doesn t get us to any great result or end. and laying out america s plan for syria is the next step. he has to go to congress if he wants to continue to be aggressive against syria. kelly: a lot of people would agree with that democrats and republicans alike to, neat has to go to congress. but he raised the bar and made bashar al-assad think twice about doing anything at all. especially russia. scott and nicole, thank you. julie: a massive search underway for a man accused of stealing several the firearms and sending a threatening manifesto to president trump. allegedly stole several guns and sent a threatening manifesto to president trump. reporter: more than 150 members of law enforcement doing everything they can to get the suspect behind bars. it started tuesday when authorities say he broke into a gun store and allegedly stole 16 high-end firearms including two assault rifles. they believe he has a bullet-prove vest and military-style helmet. he allegedly torched his car and disappeared. thursday a so-called associate told authorities he made a vague threat about a school. that caused a number of wisconsin school to the close friday. same sore yet said the 160-page manifesto he sent to president trump voting his criticism of government. the revolution. it s time for change. reporter: the sheriff told me the man fast to has a lot of disregard and disrespect for public oaf figures and law enforcement, calling them quote agents of the 1% to even slave and keep the population down. he s considered armed and dangerous. the f.b.i. is offering a $10,000 reward for information that leads to his arrest. julie: the u.s. keeping up pressure on syria after launching missiles against one of the country s air bases. what the trump administration is what the trump administration is saying about the possibility of another strike. what is scary? 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during a news conference with italy s prime minister, a news conference heavy on world pressure points include north korea and iran. john roberts tonight. the summit was meant to be from the close ties between the two countries and their mutual cooperation to fight the scorch of terror. the need for which was underscored even as the two leaders were talking. terrorism and global hot spots were high on the agenda today as president trump met with italy s prime minister paolo gentiloni, learning of the shooting in paris as it was wrapping up. it looks like another terrorist attack. what can you say it, it never ends. we have to be strong and we have to be vigilant. the two leaders also spoke about north korea and iran, north korea issuing a new threat warning of a super-mighty preemptive strike that will quickly and immediately wiped out u.s. imperialist invasion forces in south korea and its surrounding areas but the u.s. mainland and reduce them to ashes. the u.s. has so far been of the keith north korea and check through negotiations with the leaders, but kim jong-un is much more of a wild card. do you believe that the leader of north korea, kim jong-un, is mentally unstable? is that one of the reasons that you are so concerned with these latest developments? is he a man who can be reasoned with? we are building our military rapidly. a lot of things have happened over the last short period of time. i have been here for approximately 91 days. we are doing a lot of work. we are in very good position. we are going to see what happens. i can t answer your question on stability. i hope the answer is a positive one, not a negative one, but hopefully that will be something that gets taken care of. after a week s today to participate in military exercises with australia come at the aircraft carrier carl vinson are finally steaming for the sea of japan. today the president appeared to play down the imminence of military action, saying his talks two weeks ago with president xi jinping appeared to be bearing fruit. i can say from my standpoint, i like him very much, i respect and very much, and i think he is working very hard. many other things have happened, some very unusual moves have been made over the last two or three hours, and i really have confidence that the president will try very hard. we don t know whether or not they are able to do that, but i have absolute confidence that he will be trying very, very hard. in his press conference for the italian prime minister, the president also made it clear he remains highly skeptical of the iran nuclear deal despite the fact his secretary of state, rex tillerson, certified on tuesday that iran is living up to the terms of the joint comprehensive plan of action. do you have reason to believe that they are cheating on the jcpoa? they are not living up to the spirit of the agreement, i can tell you that, and we re analyzing it very, very carefully and we ll have something to say about it in the not-too-distant future. but iran has not lived up to the spirit of the agreement. and they have to do that. they have to do that. the president and the prime minister reaffirmed their commitment to work together and through nato to fight terrorism at the islamic state. when asked if he saw a role for the u.s. and the deteriorating situation in libya, president trump indicated he sees a limit in global conflict. i do not see a role in libya. i think the united states right now has enough roles. i do see a role in getting rid of isis, we are very effective in that regard. the french president francois hollande said he does believe it is a act of terror, and one of the finalists, francoix fillon, says he believes that campaigning should be paused. bret: i spoke with prime minister paolo gentiloni about his country s relations with the u.s. and the changing economic environment in europe. i started by asking him what he was hoping for from his meeting at the white house. well, first of all, to confirm the strength of our relation. the u.s. had a very, very strong relation, and we consider this the pillar of our foreign policy. and second, i hope to have a common view on how the meeting we are having insistently of the g7 will be helpful for the major free world economies to go united in the world that we are facing, and i hope that we will renew the efforts, both of america and italy in the mediterranean region that for us is security, migration, and the fight against terrorism. acting together is very relevant for us. bret: it is such a fascinating time with so many issues pending. one of the biggest is brexit and great britain leaving the e.u. what does that mean to you? it is obviously a negative decision, but we respect the decision of the people. negative because it weakens, in any case, the european union. britain was one of the four man counters of the club. i hope we will have a fair negotiation, and to have a fair negotiation, what is crucial is to maintain e.u. unity. we are not more together in the european union, but we remain friends and partners. bret: do you fear other countries will follow the u.k. s lead? i don t think this is now the real situation in europe. well, you can never know. but we have had a lot of discussion in the previous weeks on the possibility in certain countries, and the netherlands, and austria, of prevailing opposition anti-e.u., but i don t think that this possibility is real. bret: we have seen this rising nationalism, not only here, obviously with president trump s election, but brexit, the popularity of marine le pen. how strong do think this nationalism is, and you see it in italy? the fact that many countries are asking to defend their national interest is understandable. the fact that many countries are stressing the necessity to defend their own tradition, their own history, that is the vitality of our democracy. what is negative and could be even dangerous is when nationalism becomes another thing, an instrument to fight your neighbor or other countries. unfortunately, we commit the europeans, are the master of this kind of danger because we provoked two world voice exactly for this reason. one nation against another. there are different degrees of nationalism. bret: how concerned are you about the migrant crisis in the mediterranean? it s one of the two main issues in europe know, one is migration, the other is growth, economy, jobs, investments. as far as migration is concerned, i think we need a couple of things. one, more countries available to share the burden. we can t accept the fact that geography decides the burden is to greece or italy or whoever. second, we have to strengthen our action to defeat the network of smugglers and traffickers. this is not spontaneous movement. it is something organized by criminal networks. will this counter the phenomenon? no. we need developments to cancel the phenomenon. but you can reduce the flow. bret: your country about the u.s. to fight drones from sicily into libya to fight isis. how would he describe the relationship today? the support of the government with u.s. air action and with our logistics support has been very effective, and now it is no more there. but if you have a failed state, a fragile government in this situation, there is always the risk of terrorism infiltrating and terrorist threats. so what we need is, having made some mistake in libya, we, the italians, the americans, the french, the u.k., we have to be honest in recognizing this. now we have a duty, even a moral duty to contribute to stabilize. it is still fragile. there is a government, but we have to enlarge spaces and to gather other forces around this government. bret: it is a serious problem. you are the president of the g7. italy has always been, it seemed, open to russia, but considering russia s moves here in the u.s. prior to the elections, maybe other european nations as well, what would it take for russia to get to g8? is that a possibility? at the moment, no. what is, i think, not only possibility but a necessity is to maintain an involvement, an open door, a dialogue with russia. the idea of isolating russia, this is what history shows us, has always been counterproductive. who knows if, in the future, direct involvement. but it is not for the g7. bret: not this time around. for sure. bret: president trump has said he wants nato countries to step up as far as how much they are contributing to nato. 2016 data had italy at about the 20th. is this a legitimate concern, and is it going to step up its contribution to nato. we respect the commitment that we took. we are on track gradually, because our economy is growing, but we would like to have it faster growing. you can name every single military operation of nato from the baltic to the balkans and you will see an italian strong presence. so this is something we are very proud of, and it is not an alternative to augment military expenditure with a rate that will be manageable for our economy and our growth. bret: it is legitimate for president trump to call for the 2% gdp? absolutely. it is legitimate, and it is legitimate for us to say that this engagement, we are there, we will it correctly. bret: just talked with middle eastern leaders who had spoken with president trump, and they were effusive about how the situation had changed from their point of view in the middle eas middle east. i m wondering if there is a sense in europe about president trump. if you were to describe it, is it apprehension, is it opportunity? the europe and the u.s. are so strongly connected, the fact that you change the president cannot change the relation between europeans and americans. these are two of the pillars of our western democracy. nobody is interested to have bad relations. and i think also the u.s. administration understands the importance of europe. it is not something of the second world war, it is something for now and for the future. bret: what keeps you up at night? [laughs] so many threats. but you have to sleep. [laughs] bret: mr. prime minister, we appreciate your time. grazie, thank you. bret: in the meantime, tens of thousands of people are gathering right now in caracas, venezuela, one day after nationwide demonstrations against the governments they are left three people dead and hundreds arrested. also today, the state department says it is looking into an almost 20-year-old lawsuit that led to the venezuelan government to seize a general motors factor viii this week. gm has about 2700 workers in that country. it says the government s asset seizure is illegal. president trump s ambassador to the united nations is trying to shake things up there. senior correspondent rick leventhal tells us nikki haley has come to the world body with a unique agenda. speak at 7,929th meeting of the security council is called to order. every three months for the past 17 years, the united nations security council has matured is called an open debate on the middle east, focusing on the palestinian question and at school for an independent state alongside israel. critics say the meetings have traditionally been israeli-bashing sessions and accomplished little. if we are speaking honestly, we need to start with the chief culprit, iran and its partner militia, hezbollah. refocusing on state-sponsored terrorism, signaling out iran s support of hezbollah, which she says is the far greater threat. where there is terror, where there is death, where there is complete disregard for human life, there is iran. iran continues to play a destabilizing role in the region. this is most clearly seen in syria. russia, a key iranian ally, was quick to change the subject. we would like to express our categorical disagreement with the attempt to tailor this to the domestic context and the focus. by blaming all others but the occupier, the u.s. seeks to erase the question rather than addressing it. saying hailey s determination could eventually being results. i think a cultural shift is underway, it takes persistence, and she is going to bring end. the session lasted more than six hours, and they did extend per investor hailey s request, but there was nothing else remarkable about this meeting, and her tenure ends in ten days. bret? bret: rick leventhal. thank you. up next, hate crimes and what is called victimization chic. first, fox 4 in dallas as bernie sanders tries to fire up democrats in north texas, sanders held a rally in grand prairie about half between dallas and fort worth. the event is part of what is being called the come together and fight back to her. fox 11, the city declares a homeless shelter crisis, that enables organizations to operate without going through bureaucratic red tape. lastly saying there were 28,000 homeless people living inside the city. and this is a live look at new york from our affiliate fox 5, smoking may soon be getting a lot more expensive for new yorkers. democratic mayor bill de blasio wants to raise the minimum price for a pack of cigarettes to $13 in the city. the current minimum is $10.50. de blasio possesses antismoking agenda could reduce the number of smokers in new york by 160,000 in the coming years. opponents say the city s high prices have already pushed many smokers into buying untaxed and unregulated cigarettes on the black market. that is 25 look from outside the beltway port special report pete will be right back so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? aleve, live whole not part. tell you what, i ll give it to you for half off. all the time in the news, hate crime, culture of hate. but what does it really mean and how many of those so-called crimes are real? doug mckelway looks into those questions tonight. last week, and indian-owned store in charlotte, north carolina, was set on fire and a racist note left behind that read we need to get rid of muslims, indians, and all immigrants. it was signed white america. this week, police arrested a african-american man after police showed him lighting the fire. the police does not track fake hate or false crime. there are a large number of cases, certainly dozens or hundreds of year, and have been for at least the past 30 years. the website vacatecrimes vacatecrimes.org tracks them, expelling a jewish man is the primary suspect in hundreds of bomb threats, in january, a black waitress in virginia claimed a customer wrote on the receipt, great service, don t tip black people. shocked, very shocked. the customer maintained that it was written by the waitress who was upset over her one cent tip for bad service. and a muslim woman who claims that three men attacked her and tried to pull off her key job was accused of the campus focused on micro-aggressions and safe spaces is the perfect incubator to fake hate crimes. this isn t just my opinion. this is apparently widely recognized them. i would say 80% of events that occur on the campus are hoaxes or pranks. they believe that vacate makes up only a tiny fraction of the real thing. we have tracked a spike in hate crimes since particularly the election. so in the week after the election we tracked 111 separate incidents. there was a time at which the institutions that dominated and provided that social control were the church and involve and educational systems, and i think that has shifted, and this results in the dumbing down of the consumer. one example, when a youtube hoax or pulled this prank. we spoke a different language on the plane and now we re getting kicked out. that s insane. it was picked up as potential evidence of a hate crime. vacate crimes, despite their huge drain on police resources, are usually classified as misdemeanors. some say elevating them to felony status would go a long way to ending them. bret: a key mortgage interest rate has fallen to its lowest level in five months. freddie mac says the rate on the 30-year fixed home loan stands at 3.97% tonight, a drop from four and eight hundredths last week. the dow up 174, s&p 50018, nasdaq 54. u.s. markets to u.s. politics, saying former president obama is to blame for the party s recent electoral failures. dnc chair keith ellison made the comment yesterday in minnesota. barack obama could have been a better party leader, and i think that the fact that he wasn t has put his legacy in jeopardy. we lost a lot of statehouse seats, secretary of state, his true legacy is in danger, and i think that he can t say that he wasn t part of those losses. who else bret: ellison s representatives say he was talking about reality and not trying to be overly critical. turnover on the supreme court and sometimes impede correspondent peter doocy is here to tell us what the prospects are and what he is hearing. do we know who might be the next justice to retire? bret, we have a short list of who the short timers may be. it is just a very general rumor for the last six months around washington, d.c., and i assume it is somebody that is in their late 70s or early 80s, and there is probably three people that fall into that category. it could be any one of those three. it could be somebody else. the three being alluded to there are liberal justices ruth bader ginsburg and stephen breyer and then the independent-thinking justice anthony kennedy who support justice gorsuch in after serving as his mentor. if president trump was to replace any of them with the reliably conservative justice, it could solidify the currently shaky majority, saying they think they will pick a nominee from the list candidate trump circulated during the campaign, a list that still has 20 well-known conservatives judges on it. less pressure for a moderate because as long as republicans control the senate, they benefit from that nuclear option used a few weeks ago and that they can confirm someone with just 51 votes and they still have got 52 on their side, bret. bret: a lot of talk about movement on health care. we know they have been using recess to try to find middle ground on a deal, but a freedom caucus spokesperson tells me it would get rid of insurance regulations while protecting people with pre-existing conditions. even though a senior g.o.p. aide cautions me there is still no text yet, no way to know how close a vote is, president trump now says he hopes it is next week. we have a good chance of getting it soon. i d like to say next week. but i believe we will get it, whether it s next week or shortly thereafter. the president is also hopeful they will vote for the change. bret: family members after government held prisoner in iran are pleading with the trumpet administration tonight to do something, anything. correspondent rich edson has that story from the state department. these men s families are putting their trust in a tweet. iran sentence circle meant to ten years in prison. iran says they spied for the united states. in october, then heaven candidate trump tweeted, iran has done it again, taking two of our people and asking for a fortune for their release. another family wants president trump to follow through. every day i wake up, and i wonder if today is the day that i m going to get any bad news. he is a businessman and scholar. his attorney says he was the only american excluded from a prison release following the iran nuclear deal. instead, in february 2016, iran arrested his 80-year-old father, a former representative of unicef. president obama failed to secure the release of siamak namazi. like the previous administration, trump officials have raised their case. we have joined recent calls for the immediate release of all u.s. citizens unjustly detained or missing in iran. this is an important step forward but it needs to be followed up by immediate and aggressive action. and the namazis state the situation is becoming more urgent as baquer is ill. if we do not secure their release very soon, i will not see my father, i will not see siamak, my brother. the iran nuclear deal, saying it now involves all aspects of iran s behavior including missile tests, promoting terrorism, and imprisoning americans. bret? bret: bret: rich edson ate state department. last night we told you about the case of former cia officer sabrina de sousa and her ordeal after she was convicted in absentia. after the kidnapping of cleric abu omar. de sousa says her sentence was reduced but she may have to go and testify. today, i asked the italian prime minister about de sousa s fate. the decision has already been taken by the president of the republic who reduced to condemnation, and this created the possibility for this former agent to go back to the u.s. there is no search from italian authorities at all and no call from the italian parliamentary bodies. you think it is pretty much wrapped up? yeah. de sousa said lawyers said that she has emails asking her to appear before a committee, and since a report last night, de sousa s attorneys said they had been contacted by the white house and a senior state department official is being assigned to her case. de sousa s attorneys says no long from the italian government has contacted them to indicate there has been a change in her status or that she is no longer required to do community service or testify. we will follow up. the nation s top law-enforcement officer has has a message to people who want to enter the u.s. illegally. now welcome jeff sessions and john kelly, in el paso, texas, today, observing southern border operations. for those who still seek to violate our laws and enter the country illegally, let me be very clear. don t come. please don t come. when you are caught, you will be detained, adjudicated, and deported. bret: tonight come up we are learning more details about the alleged deportation of an illegal immigrant who came to the u.s. as a child. correspondent william la jeunesse is in tonight. we are going to have an immigration system that works. as a candidate, donald trump promised to deport so-called dreamers. that has yet to happen. we had a deal with daca. juan manuel montes said he was having a hunch with a friend near the border when he was accosted by a porta patrol agent. unable to find his daca i.d., montes says he was deported, it claimed the administration denies, claiming there are no records to support montes claim. instead, officials say montes was already in mexico when they caught him a day later trying to sneak into the u.s. by climbing over a fence. dock and relays are not being targeted. i don t know why this individual was picked up. saying montes did have a legitimate docket status but by going to mexico, he lost his protection. when our agents on the frontline encounter people, they are going to enforce the laws on the books. critics jumped on the montes story for what they consider trumps inhumane policy. calling it disturbing, alarming, senate minority leader nancy pelosi. montes lawyers hope to prove he did not leave the u.s. voluntarily. i bet there is plenty of surveillance video we going to see if he crossed or did not cross. stick with the judge hearinge lawsuit also handled the trump university case. at the time, they claim to indiana-born curiel couldn t be fair. as for montes, now living in mexico waiting to out outcome of his case as of 750 70,750,000 r docket recipients. bret: president trump talks paris terror, iran news, and whether north korea s leader is crazy. we will talk about what we heard today in the news conference and my interview with italy s prime minister. the panel joins me after a quick break. roller derby. now give up half of em. do i have to? 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i have seen some mixed messages. you have met us i m sorry, secretary of state rex tillerson saying it looks like he may be n might be following the letter of divide here. you have trump saying but they are violating the spirit of the law. yesterday, sean spicer told martha maccallum, we are still reviewing end, we haven t reached a conclusion. i think we want to see the administration get on board in terms of how they re going to handle it. what we do know is, if they don t, the future is north korea. and we see what a menace north korea has become because they have a weapon. we cannot let iran get to that point. bret: charles? the president says they are violating the spirit, but they don t say exactly how they are violating the spirit. and he understands he ran against it and the deal has all kinds of shortcomings and defects, but he doesn t have an alternative. in the meantime, if they are living up to the letter of it, means they are a little under control. far more imminent problem is this ballistic missile/nuclear thing that is happening. i thought it was remarkable the degree to which he seemed to be leaning on, counting on his new best friend, the president of china to fix this thing for him. the chinese have failed to deliver on that score many times in the past. bret: does seem like he references frequently that meeting ingmar lago. interesting that so many pendants seem interested on russia, not that those aren t focusing their attention there, and he seems to be optimistic. bret: steve? i think jason s point about iran is right. we are hearing next messages. i think there is a reason for it. the reason is, iran got the goods, got the rewards early, and now it is about compliance. so if the administration tears up the deal, iran has already gotten much of what it took to get it to sign the deal. the united states and people who keep iran from getting a nuclear weapon now want to test the compliance. to broaden the picture, the administration has changed the way it is talking about the threat from iran. the obama administration had chosen this deliberate policy, the decoupling from everything else iran does. you heard in rex tillerson s comments yesterday, you heard from other people in the administration, that is over. that is not happening anymore. going to take on iran, looking at the nuclear weapon, looking at the terrorism, but it is doing in the region. bret: the question is, can you do that, keep the deal, but with the pressure on the other elements, funding table rests? it is tough, as steve said. we are not negotiating it from a position of strength, trump isn t right now, because they have the goods, including a lot of hard cash, actually. it is difficult. we ll see. trump is keeping us guessing, probably keeping the iranians guessing too. to follow up on charles point about north korea, yes, leaning on china to do this is incredible. and explicitly holding out better trade deals. i told them, if they want better terms, wanted more and better trade agreements, you take care of north korea. it is pretty explicit. bret: president trump with the art of the deal. this is an interesting dynamic between the italian prime minister and the president on the issue of libya. we need countries like egypt and tunisia that are close to the ap. we need a stable and unified, and divided in conflict would make stabilityworse. the u.s. s job u.s. role, sorry, in this is very critical. i do not see a role in libya. i think the united states right now has enough roles. we are in a role everywhere. that was the old 2016 candidate trump. we are overstretched come up with been wasting all of our resources on these pores in the middle east, libya was a disaster that give us benghazi and all the best. i m not sure the italian prime minister was really prepared when he said what he said to run into the 2016 edition of president trump. that was a flash of something yet you been trying to play down recently when he is talking in a more friendly way about nato and the commitments overseas. kind of a stunner. bret: mollie? i think they might ve been responding to slightly different questions where the italian p.m. is wanting to emphasize the importance of coalition building and president trump that we don t want to get too involved in foreign agencies. bret: i will sit at the italian prime minister does think that the europe, u.s., italy made a mistake in libya ad has a responsibility. he said in the interview with me, a moral responsibility to help the government to get on its feet. that is a role. wanting to point out that the larger needle role, the larger issue of nato alliances is but it s really interesting from ths discussion. so many members of nato talking about, again, threats from russia and whatnot but not having the budgets that indicate that they are taking those threats seriously or having their military resources allocated in a way that understands those threats. these are the types of discussions that are helpful and good to see. also very complicated when you heard president trump say the u.s. has no role in libya, moments later, a leading role in inviting hezbollah. libya, you fight isis, you fight in libya, not to mention al qaeda. hard to imagine winning a war that the president has said that he wants to win without some u.s. role in libya. bret: more with the panel about that a news conference, health care, and what lies ahead next week in congress. just ahead. in yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it. for being part of your life. all of your life. lls? 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[laughs] going back briefly to the health care debate, one of the most interesting proposals came from two members of the freedom, how s freedom caucus. $50 billion risksharing fund that has the enthusiastic support of some other freedom caucus members, who are opposed to what was happening before. it s backed by house republican leadership and the question remains how do moderates react to this and are they willing to continue to negotiate. bret: the question is, does he get it done? i think he does. the desperation is what makes it most dangerous. getting it done right is the most important thing. not getting it on speedily. everyone wants to get it done. just to remind everyone, passing through the senate before it can be called a legislative victory. what we are talking about here is getting something through the house and claiming a victory on that. it s far from clear to me that whatever the house ends up producing is something that will remotely resemble the final law, if any, that they produce. bret: in the meantime, the big enchilada when you talk to ceos is tax reform. you have leader saying it will happen this year. [laughter] when you talk about landmines, every line of the tax code has ten lobbyists there to defend it. i don t see that happening. i just don t. i don t see it happening. bret: on that optimistic note, we will end here. thank you, panel. tea party, one little girl will never forget. i ve had it up to here! it s been month after month of fiber. weeks taking probiotics! days and nights of laxatives, only to have my symptoms return. 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but i am watching over everybody, jerry. you re in good hands, okay? thank you. you re in good hands, believe me. you can tell the people of new york. even though i didn t win new york state. i should have won new york state, but i didn t. mr. president, cathy. i want to return to a conversation we had with ivanka, dean and wilbur on jobs, the work force of the future. as we think about that and think about our skillsets, in new york city alone, our public high school graduation rate is at 70%. but the readiness of our students for college and careers is only assessed at 37%. as we look at the pace of change, we look at the digital transformation we all see in business in the marketplace, and look at the skills, this disconnect between what employers need and what our students are coming into our work forces are prepared to deliver. it would be great to get your thoughts on the priorities of the administration around education, around, again, what i like to call not the future of work but the work of the future. because the future of work sounds a little ominous. the work of the future sounds visionary. if you could give us the priorities and how before you so you re giving me numbers from new york. you re a proud new yorker. but you re giving me numbers. why is it doing so badly? tell me. why are the numbers so horrific in terms of education and what happens when somebody goes through school and then they can t read after the, you know they graduate from high school and can barely read. what s the answer? yeah. first, i would say that as we look at new york, new york has made enormous progress in a decade. the 70% was 50%. a 40% increase. we re making enormous progress. see how quickly she s changing? enormous progress but we have a lot of work to do. i think we talked earlier about public/private partnerships, apprenticeship models, which we have a beautiful model that works and brings our next generation of leaders. i do think there is a lot we can do through re-looking at funding programs. we talked earlier about consolidating the many programs that are out there. we re all trying to make our individual impact. we can make a huge impact together. sure. i know you work very hard on it, and you have made progress. charter schools are another thing that people are talking about a lot. some of the charter schools of new york have been amazing. they ve done incredibly well. people can t get in. you can t get in. it s been i don t call it an experiment anymore. it is far beyond an experiment. if you look at so many elements of education, and so sad to see what s happening in the country. even the numbers, as good as you say we re doing better, but the numbers in new york, the numbers in chicago are very rough. the numbers in los angeles. the cities, it s a very rough situation. common core, i mean, we have to bring education more local. we can t be managing education from washington. when i go out to iowa, when i go out to the different states and talk, they want to run their school programs locally. they ll do a much better job than somebody and, look, these are some very good people in washington. but you also have bureaucrats that make a lot of money and don t really care that much about what they re doing or about the community that they have never seen and they ll never meet and they never will see. i like the fact of getting rid of common common core to me is, we have to end it. we have to bring education local. to me, i ve always said it. i ve been saying it during the campaign. we re doing it. betsy devos is doing a terrific job. highly respected. tremendous track record. but she s got one of the toughest jobs of any of our secretaries, to me. she s got one of the toughest jobs. it there are tough jobs out there, but she s got one of the toughest jobs. we re going to spend a lot of money and expertise. we re going to have great talent dealing with education. there is nothing more important than education. we ve got to get the numbers in new york better. i think they will be better. a lot of people a lot of the greatest people i know in new york, they re totally in love including ivanka and jared. they re so much involved, and it is so important to them, the word education. it is happening. i see it happening in new york very much. but it is happening elsewhere, too. i think we re going to have a great four years. mr. president, i know you have a pressing issue to deal with. steve and mike, i think, just wanted to thank you for attending today, and maybe make a final comment on behalf of that, too. thanks a lot for being here. and thanks for everybody, for being here. it s been really interesting. you ve had everybody of importance at the event. i think it s terrific, in terms of the stuff you re trying to do to modernize the government, educate and so forth. i think we have to keep a focus on that. the outside world doesn t always get the message, that that s really what s going on. because you re doing profound things. u re taking on enormous, embe issues, and i think with the kind of effort that can be marshalled, you can do amazing things. that s on behalf of mike and myself, who chair the partnership. it is sort of a trust. gets rotated from person to person every two years. i want to wish you really good luck with the chinese. that s an important thing, as we all know. and i think there s a real opportunity to make progress with them. you should have a good time in florida. i hope the weather is good. the weather will be beautiful. thank you, steve. i just want to finish by saying that we are absolutely destroying these horrible regulations that have been placed on your heads. over not eight years. over the last 20 and 25 years. you have regulations that are horrendous. dodd/frank is an example of what we re working on, and we re working on it right now. we re going to be coming out with some very strong far beyond recommendations. we re going to be doing things that are going to be good for the banking industry, so banks can loan money to people who need it. i speak to people all the time. they used to borrow money to open up there s one in nevada to open a pizza shop, three shops, had a bank. at the time, he called me mr. trump because i hadn t won yet. he said, mr. trump, i can t open up anything. i can t do anything. the banks don t even i had a bank for 20 years. now they don t take my phone call. i was always a very good customer. so i haven t been able to do what i do. they can t do it. the banks got so restricted. i ve always said and some people get insulted but it is not necessarily the man that s making a lot of money that s running the bank. you look at the folks from government that are running all of the banks. they re running the banks. and the people that are really, you know, the head people, they re petrified of the regulators. they re petrified. they can t move. the regulators are running the banks. we re going to do a major haircut on dodd/frank. we want strong restrictions and regulation, but not regulation that makes it impossible for the banks to loan to people that are going to create jobs. but we re doing that s just one example. we re doing so many cuts on regulations. we have a book on regulations, and if you add them all up, it goes up to the ceiling three times over. it is just one after another after another. it s just like that chart. i thought the chart was so descriptive. every industry is just like that chart. that s to build a simple roadway or highway. that s what you have to go through. and we re going to be able to get rid of 90%, 95% of that and still have the same kind of protection. we want safety and we want environmental. we want environmental protection. i mean, i ve won awards on environmental protection. i m a big believer, believe it or not, but we want that kind of protection. we want clean air, and we want clean water. but we shouldn t have to get the approvals from 16 different agencies for almost the same thing. so we have a country with tremendous tension. we have the greatest people on earth, but we have to use their potential. we have to let those people do their thing. with that, i just want to thank you all. i think you re going to see a very much different environment than you ve been used to over the last, again, 20, 25 years. we re going to unleash the country, and i m willing to take the heat. that s okay. i ve been taking the heat my whole life. but in the end, i know it is the right thing to do. we re going to create a lot of jobs. we have a hundred million people if you look. the real number isn t 4.6%. they told me i had 4.6% last month. i m doing great. i said, what about the 100 million people? a lot of the people came outnd vod for me. i call them the forgotten n, the forgotten woman. a lot of those people, a good percentage of them, would like to have jobs and they don t. one of the statistics that, to me, is just ridiculous. so the 4.6% sounds good, but way, way down in terms of drugs pouring into our country and poisoning our youth. general kelly has done a great job. when you think you re going to sell that car or air-conditi c r conditioner, it is not going to happen. you ll have a tax. the tax may be 35%. you know what? every single major company that i ve had that conversation with had said, you know, we ve decided to stay in the united states. it is amazing. and you would have thought they would have said this, frankly, for years, but nobody ever said it. we ve lost close to 70,000 factories over a relatively short period of time. 70,000. you wouldn t believe it is possible, to lose 70,000 factories. 70,000. you look at a map of the united states. how many factories can you list? we lost almost 70,000 factories. and i will tell you, that s not happening because now, they re all staying here and they re all expanding here. ford announced last week a massive expansion of three of its plants. that was not going to happen, believe me, if i didn t win. so good luck, everybody. enjoy yourselves. you re my iends. you re amazing people. we re going to putou to work. thank you. [ applause ] good morning, everybody. i m in washington. you ve been listening to president trump taking questions during a very interesting ceo town hall. just set the stage for you, it was donald trump. it was the director of the national economic counsel, gary cohn. the department of labor secretary. majority leader mccarthy. it was wilbur ross, the department of commerce secretary. ivanka trump was there. dina powell was there. then there were 24 business leaders, ceos of major companies like mastercard, general electric, the new york stock exchange, jet blue. it was a town hall with these business leaders. i have a special treat this morning. i m joined by my buddy, stephanie ruhle, who agreed to help sort of make sense of this thing. he was doing okay until he got to the end, telling you the unemployment rigate is not righ and the 70,000 factories that closed. all over the world, factories closed in some part because of automation. we don t need as many people to make things. in some part because of trade and offshoring. but the thing at the end is something donald trump has gotten used to saying. that things were really terrible. he showed up in town, and now everybody is creating new jobs everywhere you look. he s gotten used to saying it because those points, the narrative, he had written sticks. the problem is the narrative isn t true. when he mentioned he speaks to ceos. we re going to be building here. he says, i m going to come see you then. the question is, is he going to see them while he is wearing a trump tie or a trump suit made in the united states? they re not currently made there. to his point that all of the ceos are saying, president trump, no one ever told me before i should have the plants here and i should right. that isn t true. there aren t the many, many examples of ford, gm, that are moving thousands of jobs. so many of these jobs were always going to stay. they were planned. the same companies are still doing things overseas. that said, this is an interesting construct, right? the idea that he sat there. a lot of americans will say, you re sitting there in a meeting with the biggest of businesses. that s not real america. but they are businesses that employ people. by the way, a lot of them are businesses in which many of our viewers have stock. they have a 401(k). and those businses do employ people all over the country. the point he was making about regulation is heard around the country. small business sentiment has gone up since president trump has won because people feel bound and constrained by overregulation. they hear when he says, you pile up the regulations, it is three stacks to the ceiling. whether or not that s true, what a small business owner feels or hears in this country is you roll out the red carpet for big companies to come in, but you don t do anything for little companies. little companies seem to be set back all the time. part of the problem, stephanie, is a lot of the regulations that little companies feel have nothing to do with the federal government or dodd/frank. that is correct. the ceo of zillow was on president obama s entrepreneurship council. he himself tweeted, we need to see regulation pulled back so more upstart companies will have less regulation to go public. there is an argument to be made that it is time to dial it back. the devil is in the details. simply the blanket statement, we have to wipe out what regulations? why are they there, and who do they protect? american small and medium businesses create a lot of jobs. that s where you want the juice. you want entrepreneurs who come here and some are immigrants, coming from india and china, and some are homegrown in america but this is the best place to start a business. if he keeps the sentiment, we have something interesting happening. people are saying, the way presidt obama dissects what constites being rich or wealthy is keeping them from king their businesses any larger. if you re making $250,000 or more getting taxed, like those who are making $10 million or more, you ain t in the same business. maybe we ll have stephanie for small business administrator or something like that. maybe. i know why you re here, when you were anchoring, it was lo looking rainy. it was. now the sun is out. stephanie, you can see her every morning at 9:00. this morning, a new court document shows that carter page, a former foreign policy adviser to trudonald trump s presidenti campaign, seen here, met with and gave documents to a man he says he doesn t know was a russian spy in new york city four years ago. page was targeted and did not initiate the meeting, he says. this adding fuel to the controversy about possible russian connections to trump associates. this morning also, two intelligence sources confirm that top trump campaign contributor, prince, founder of the giant defense contractor, formerly blackwater, held a secret meeting just before the inauguration with a close associate of vladimir putin. nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker joins us live. what can you tell us about the developments and whether or not the white house had anything to say about it? digging deeper into what you said, let s start with carter page. this morning, a new court document newly revealed shows page, a former foreign policy adviser to donald trump s presidential campaign, met with and gave documents to a russian spy in new york city in 2013. he s an energy industry consultant. he confirmed to nbc news that he is the unnamed man identified in the federal complaint, who was targeted by and met with a russian intelligence agent, posing as a bank executive in new york four year ago. page, who is not a defendant in the complaint and was unaware the man was a spy, he says, was first identified by the online media company buzzfeed. he says he gave only basic and material information and publicly available documents. in a statement released overnight, page denied any wrongdoing to nbc news and called the entire episode a result of a political hit job by the former obama administration. to your second point, this all comes as two intelligence sources confirm to nbc a big contributor to the trump campaign held a secret meeting just before the inauguration in the islands north of madagascar. that meeting first reported by the washington post took place between prince, founder of the defense contractor, formerly called blackwater, and an associate of russian president vladimirputin. the post reported the meeting was arranged by the united arab emirates and wanted a trump/putin back channel. devos was also a major donor, now in the cabinet as secretary of education. sean spicer saying, we are not aware of any meetings, and erik prince had no role in the transition. a second source i spoke to at the white house tells me any suggestion of a trump/putin back channel is, quote, ridiculous. clearly, this is something that the trump administration wants to turn the page on very quickly. right. here s the problem, kristen. sean spicer said erik prince had no role in the administration or the transition. when conversations about carter page were coming up, that s almost the same language that sean spicer used. first, they say nobody has any connection to the russians. as soon as somebody establishes connection to the russians, the response from the administration and the trump team tends to be, well, they had no role with us at all. carter page did have a role with the trump campaign. he did. we re going to have an off camera briefing today. undoubtedly, we will press the administration on that very point because, of course, as you point out, he did have a role. the administration will likely say it was a limited role and it was only for a certain amount of time. but still, these are questions that continue to over shadow this administration. as we ve been talking about, what they want to be focused on is their legislative agenda. but these mounting questions about russia continue to make it tough for them to focus on that. kristen, noatteat happens, i m not going to deny knowing you. thank you. i will not deny knowing you. thanks for having me on. kristen welker at the white house. there are calls this morning for president obama s former national security adviser, susan rice, to be called in by congress for questioning. now, this follows reports by multiple outlets that she sought on dozens of occasions to unmask or reveal the identities of trump transition officials whose conversations with foreign officials were incidentally collected by u.s. intelligence. now, the reports suggest that her calls for unmasking were allowed under law. republican senators john mccain and rand paul reacted this morning. i believe susan rice abused the system, and she did it for political purposes. she needs to be brought in and questioned under oath. this was a witch hunt that began with the obama administration. sour grapes on the way out the door. they were going to use the intelligence apparatus to attack trump, and i think they did. i think the circumstances indicate that there is a possibility that that request could have been politically motivated, but we need to get to the bottom of it. nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken joins us now. ken, i think there are two things i want to get clear. unmasking and leaking are two very different things. there are a handful of people in the government who have the ability to request the unmasking of names of u.s. citizens who are picked up in incidental, you know in surveillance. that s absolutely right. more importantly, there are a handful of people who can request, but there is a smaller group of people who can actually grant the request. that is not susan rice. susan rice could have requested this unmasking, but the people who have to grant the request would be nsa director mike rogers or fbi director james comey, depending on where the surveillance resided. those are non-political people. it is hard to imagine them participating in political spying, which is the allegation here from republicans. the other thing to understand here is it is perfectly routine and has happened during past administrations for the national security adviser to request the unmasking when it isequid to understand the intelligence. i llreak dn what we re talking about here. if a feigner is talking to a foreigner, and the people are under surveillance and they mention an american, say the incoming president, donald trump, the name of the american would be blacked out, unless the people looking at the intelligence decide they need the name to better understand. what if two chinese officials were talking about how they wanted to try to influence some incoming commerce secretary? this is hypothetical. you might want to know the name of the person so you can better understand what the chinese are trying to do. go warn the person. take steps to prevent. this is routine stuff. and in that case, yesterday i heard something interesting. susan rice would have requested these names and left them lying around for somebody to figure out and leak to the press. no other names other than michael flynn have been leaked to the press. am i correct? we don t know anything that susan rice unmasked. we don t know any of the names. as far as we can tell. there s a lot of mystery around this. nunes said none of the information he saw even related to the russia investigation. there s been no leaks of surveillance unrelated to the russia investigation. that s exactly right. thanks, ken. this is a confusing issue. joining me now is republican congressman taylor from virginia. good to talk to you. thank you so much for being with us. thanks for having me. scott taylor. not rick. i apologize. scott taylor, good to see you, sir. good to see you. let s begin with the russia investigation right now. paul ryan, again today, expressed his confidence in chairman devin nunes. yoursenator, m mccain, had this to say this weekend. listen. if we re really going to get to the bottom of these things, it s got to be done in a bipartisan fashion. as far as i can tell, congressman nunes killed that. all right. let s talk about this. do you think the house intelligence committee is going to be able to get to the truth, or is this devin nunes thing muddying the waters too much? at this moment, i still believe that the house intelligence committee, as well as the senate, too, are still perfectly able to perform the duties they re supposed to be doing. i m not ready to call for a special investigation. i think there s been partisanship on both sidesof course. i watch adam schiff and others on your program all the time. it is partisan. the russia thing, it is serious when you have potential interference into our elections from russia. but i think the bigger thing for us as a nation, because now for espionage and interference and problem beg propaganda, it is kpexacerbated. we have to determine what is an act of war. i m concerned about you had someone on speaking about susan rice and the finite amount of people who are able to request or unmask this information with u.s. citizens. i think everyone out there should be a little concerned about any potential political attempts to use intelligence apparatus to hurt folks. we haven t gotten to the point, right, with the susan rice thing. okay. let s say you believe that susan rice requested the names to be unmasked. you heard ken describe why that would be impossible. it is not impossible. it is not impossible for her to request that. it is not remotely illegal. agreed. i m not even saying that there s something to that. i don t know yet. but what i will say is it is not routine for someone to ask for detailed spreadsheets on specific people from an opposite political party and their associates. i m not saying it is completely wrong. i think she should testify before the house and the senate. i think the part of the issue here is all of us get ahead of ourselves on these things. we don t know she was askin for information on people for any political reason, right? we re guessing now. you and i are guessing. i think you don t have this information? i think what you re asking is a legitimate, valid point. what i m saying to you is there are multiple sources, as you said yourself in the last segment, that are reporting that. reporting that she asked for detailed spreadsheets from the intelligence community on president trump and associates. i m not saying that there s wrongdoing there or not. i don t know that. right. what i m saying is it is important she come in and testify for the american people. there has to be a wall between our national security and potentially going after folks for political reasons. again, not saying that that happened. but i think it is concerning for it should be concerning for democrats and republicans. she should come in and testify. i don t know why you trust anything i said. i called you rick. good point. let s clear up the difference. say the susan rice stuff is more nefarious than we have any evidence that it is. is that does that come anywhere near as serious as the russians possibly trying to interfere with the u.s. electoral process? okay. there are two separate issues. the russians trying to interfere with an electoral process is serious business, and we should make sure we understand the whole if that is, in fact, the case, the problem with it. as i told ya, i think we lack as a nation an overall cyber policy in this day and age when they re able to use propaganda and influence elections in a broader sense. because historically, of course they ve tried to influence elections in other countries. we should get a handle on that. but, yes, do i think it is serious that we have a potential someone potentially again werks do, know the facts trying to use the intelligence community to attack the opposite political party? that s very serious. right. we still don t know that. yeah. but we also just to be clear, we also don t know about the extent or if the russians were interfering in the election. both of those things are equally serious, and both of them should be investigated. you really don t think enough has happened, enough has come out that indicates there was deliberate interference by the russians in some way to influence this election? are you really you don t think it is true ? what i m saying, again, is i think they tried to, to the extent and to the partisan politics that s going on in terms of if the trump administration is in cahoots with them or anything like that, i don t agree with that. i don t. but i support both the house intelligence investigation, as well as the senate one, to really find the facts. i don t like the partisanship in it. it is important for the american people to get a full handle on potential russian interference here, and to have the ability to react in case. we need an overall national policy, cyber wise, that says what is an act of aggression, what is an act of war? at the same time, just like i said with i think it is important they exercise oversight in that, they need to do the same thing for what, you know, has been reported, as you said, by multiple sources, of the potential of targeting political folks using the intelligence apparatus. the people doing intelligence, collecting intelligence from the communities every single day are great people. we re talking about at the top levels. again, no facts here, but i think it is something that warrants oversight and warrants her coming in and testifies. congressman, i appreciate you being with us. i hope the people don t think because i called you rick that it was fake news. it was a mistake. i won t say that, of course. congressman scott taylor of the second district in california. thank you f virginia. thank you. thank you and have a wonderful day. next hour, andrea mitchell will have an exclusive interview with susan rice. i d like to bring in a former fbi special agent who served on a joint terrorism task force and is now a senior fellow for the center of homeland security at george washington university. and the vice chairman of open russia, a russian pro-democracy movement. he joins me on set. gentlemen, welcome to both of you. clint, good to see you. i ll start with you. you were very blunt about your assessments of russia s role in interfering with the election when you testified in front of the senate intelligence committee last week. i want our viewers to hear a little of what you said. part of the reason active measures have worked in the u.s. election is because the commander in chief has used russian active measures at time against his opponents. he denies the intel from the united states about russia. he claimed the election could be rigged. that was the number one theme pushed by rt sputnik news outlets all the way up to the election. clint, now we have this whington st story that the blackwater founder, erik prince, a trump supporter, met secretly overseas with a russian close to president putin to establish a backwater channel between the u.s. and moscow. a senior administration official called this ridiculous. they told kristen welker, ridiculous. tell me based on what you know, is it possible that prince, russia and the united arab emirates, all acted on their own? i guess it is possible, but it is just curious how every day, there s some sort of connection or meeting that emerges that connects russia and the trump administration. i m baffled by why there was such aggression, whether it was through former nsa director general flynn, in this case, erik prince, why they need to do these meetings before the inauguration. it undermines their mandate. i don t understand the aggression. the only issue that was really pressing on this was iran, it seems like. it was focused on iraq. why make deals with russia, especially at a time when the administration is under scrutiny? i ll ask you what you make of this. when you hear about these various places and times and people who may have been used, any of them could be wrong, but it is a little strange when the reports keep coming up that people with contact with the trump administration seem to have an unnatural amount of contact with people related to the russian administration. right. thank you for clarifying that. russian administration. i take offense when people say russia and russians. it is vladimir putin, which is not an elected product. everybody is talking about the behavior of the regime, the operatives and the people around it. frankly, it shouldn t be surprising that four officers of the kgb are involved in the measures. they ve been doing it for decades. back in the soviet times, they tried to do the same things, interfere in other country s affairs. it is now easier in many ways to do it. the methods are much more varied and diverse. back in the soviet times, everybody was basically driven by the state. there was state entities, the government. there was no private property, of course, in the soviet union. now, we have these kind of shadowy figures, shadowy organizations that are not directly related to the russian government. it might be hard for a civilian to know the difference. in other words, i might be having a conversation with the russian business owner, not knowing that that has anything to do with the russian administration. absolutely. there s no for example, there is no large scale business in russia today that is independent of the putin regime. i m sure you ve heard of the ceo of russia s largest oil company. he was imprisoned for behaving in opposition to the kremlin. after he was imprisoned, it was a signal to everybody else to fall in line. all of the big business in russia today is connected to or dependent on the putin regime. this, of course, gives much more l leeway to the government of mr. putin to do these things. they can do it through entities or through people not directly related to the kremlin. in a way, that can be deniable, if i could use the term. let me ask you something. carter page says he was a subject of this particular approach by somebody he didn t know was a russian spy. that s possible. i imagine that s entirely possible. why what s the way around this for the trump administration? to come out and talk to everybody involved in the trump administration and say whom they met with and leave it up to the intelligence committees or whomever to determine whether they were talking to spies or not? it does seem that the coverup is getting them wound up around an axle right now. i believe carter page s account. he may not have known that he was being targeted for influence. what they re developing, essentially, is assets. the way the russians would do this is to bring somebody in, play to the business interests and hope they ll do influence on their behalf back in the united states. what i don t understand and what continues to show up is the trump campaign last year clearly didn t know who was in their camp. they never did the vetting that is expected of more traditional campaigns. now, all these loose ends are coming back to haunt them. weather them addressing them and dealing with them, they re denying things that already happened. in the end, the denials don t work because somehow, it all gets uncovered. what s the strategy? what s the best thing nay cthey do? they need to support an investigation and put it to bed. the denials just continue. these protracted campaigns and investigations to undermine their ability to do other things, including domestic policy and foreign policy. as long as they keep talking about it, denying things that are immediately refuted and proven false, they re going to get bogged down in this. it will destroy their ability to govern. clint watts is a fellow at the foreign research institute. former fbi special agent. and vladimir is a 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