1980s. that s how fox reports this january 27, 2018. watters world starts right now. jesse: welcome to watters world. i m jesse watters. building a safe, proud, strong america, that s the message in president trump s state of the union address. deputy press secretary roz shaw joins me now. the white house is putting this on the table giving amnesty to 1.8 mill people and phasing in getting rid of the lottery and chain migration, how does that make sense? thanks for having me on. i think the president is showing leadership. he s presenting the proposal that democrats can wrap their arms around parts of it. he s trying to fiction the immigration system to provide border security. and ending the visa lottery program, and fixing our legal immigration system by ending extended family chain migration. it reaches across the aisle. jesse: people say the president ran on a strong border policy. one thing people are upset about is dreamers getting voting rights. a lot of people when they voted for president trump didn t sign up for that. what s your response? the president always said he wanted a responsible outcome for the daca. so we want to find a responsible solution for that group of people. jesse: do you have to give their family members citizenship as well. why can t you just give the dreamers the citizenship. it s a pathway that involves 10-12 years. they cannot commit crimes. they have to pay back taxes. there is a process these individual have to go through. jesse: why do you have to give the immediate family members of the dreamers citizenship as well. why can t you just give the dreamers citizenship. it s already a lot to ask for trump supporters. lowest unemployment. jesse: you guys have a great track record. if they bring illegal aliens to the state of the union, is trump going to bring i.c.e. agents to arrest these people? what do you do? it s chaos. we live in a big country. there are a lot of views and a lot of perspectives. they are doing it a lot of it to create attention. we are going to stay focused on the agenda and what we are trying to don on immigration, stop the flow across the border. the president said he s a deal maker who can get the job done. this is the first step forward. jesse: i want to play astounded bite from nancy pelosi who said something inflammatory, in my opinion. about the illegal immigration proposal the president has been offering. very racialized rhetoric. that plan is a campaign to make america white again. it s a plan that says over 50% of the current immigration will be cut back, that s people will be sent out of the country. jesse: so according to the latest harvard poll, 75% of americans want restrictions on legal immigration. legal immigration. i don t see how that s racist. but how is the white house going to counter that kind of race baiting? it is race baiting, and it s outrageous. i am the son ofism grants. my mother and father came here from india. they brought skills to this country and they came here legally. we love immigrants. we want them to come and bring skills and contribute to the tax base and help our economy and country move forward. wanting more agents to stop the flow of drugs and illegal immigrants is not extreme, it s not racist. i m personally offended by what nancy pelosi has to say there. but it s just rhetoric. i don t take it that seriously. the president has brought forward a serious proposal and we think it deserves serious consideration. jesse: bill clinton gets heckled about monica. bill clinton, you are the best president, facts matter. apparently not to the left. let s look at the numbers. 267 companies announced $1,000 bonuses. min amendment wage hikes, 401ks are exploding and people are seeing more money in their paychecks. instead of celebrating the good news for americans, democrats are in denial. here is what nancy pelosi said about the bonuses. there is a cartoon i love, the mousetrap with a piece of cheese. jesse: so $1,000 is a crumb? maybe if you are worth $100 million like pelosi is. here is what she said about barack obama s so-called middle class tax cut. today is a victory for the american people, and $40 each paycheck will make a difference. $40 makes a difference but $ $1,000 doesn t? nancy needs to brush up on her arit me take. here is a what debbie wasserman-schultz said? 2011. house gop refused to extend tax cut. $4 some per paycheck. tweet what $40 means to you. debbie, i ll trade you two 20s for a thousand. it illustrates their dishonesty. for them it s not about the size of your paycheck. it s about the party in power. here is hillary clinton touting women, rights. i wants to thank you for being a role model for my daughter and young women everywhere. a new democracy can t be built on the persecution of women. the only way we ll get sexism out of politics is to get more women into politics. somebody who has been a defining figure in come even s empowerment. we need to be serious about supporting and nurturing our girls. jesse: but the new york times says hillary clinton had an advisor who repeatly sexually harassed his underlings. she gave him a slap on the wrist and moved the female underling to another job. hillary taking a ton much heat on the a ton of heat for this. katie, what do you think about this? katie: this is par for the course for hillary clinton s behavior, starting with the way her husband treated women who was sexually abusing or having afairts with, the woman who complained about being sexually harassed. she was the one reassigned. when hillary clinton is out there making comments about standing up for women, including today in a derogatory fashion, she is more concerned about proprotecting herself, protecting her power, and protecting her position. her conduct at the state department, covering up sexual harassment of under and girls. jesse: a story appeared today about something that happened in 2008. i was dismayed when it occurred. but was heartened the young woman came forward, was heard and had her concerns taken seriously and addressed. as a woman do you think that addresses it appropriately? katie: no because the actions taken against the young woman are clear. she was the one reassigned and punished for bringing this forward. when hillary was on the campaign trail against donald trump, she tweeted all the women deserve to be believed when it comes to sexual abuse allegations and she has a long history of ignoring it. jesse: she was one of the point people trying to destroy the women who came forward. i guess the tweet didn t do enough good so they had her get on camera and say something bizarre at dinner because this thing was still percolating. let s listen to hillary s second time responding. go ahead. i just wanted to say thanks, thanks for your feminism, your activism, and all i can hope is you keep up the really important good work. this is direct toward the activist bitches supporting bitches. katie: i had the same reaction. what is going on with this. i had to ask your producers if i could say the b word on air. i am allowed to say it but i m not going to say it because i m a classy lady. it appears to knee feminists only have standard for everybody but themselves. if you want respect as a woman, stop going to rallies dressed like female genitalia, stop saying the b word and stop holding up hillary clinton as a feminist icon. jesse: we have new text messages from the love bird fbi agents. listen to this one text from lisa page. they were about to interview hillary for the email scandal. here is what she said. one more thing. she might be our next president. the last thing you need is for us to go in there load for bear. do you think she ll care that it was more doj and fbi? and strzok says agreed. they admitted they were going to go soft on her before she was interviewed. katie: james comey wrote that exoneration memo of hillary clinton long before she was even interviewed. two other things are they either wanted hillary clinton to win the presidency and allowed that to jeopardize their investigation of her and treat her fairly and equally under the law. or they believed donald trump couldn t win and they wanted to go soft on hillary. based on all the other texts that we have seen about how they felt about trump, i m pretty sure it was the former. jesse: bill clinton is riding dirty in an suv. he had a fan who started say something things to him. he rolled his window down. you are the best president, man. trump got to go, bill clinton. trump gotta go. have a nice day. all right. best president. how s monica? bill clinton! katie: he loves attention, then okay, time to go. i always had it that it was called the monica lewinsky scandal when it was bill clinton who started that entire process. in today s standard it would have been sexual harassment in the workplace for bill clinton to do what he did. jesse: pedal to the metal. katie: be careful saying bill clinton is riding dirty. i don t know what that means and i don t want to think about it. jesse: megyn kelly and jane fonda up next. i don t want to lie down. i refuse to lie down. why suffer? 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50 years. before your first facelift. i was stunned, it was so inappropriate. it showed she wasn t that good an interviewer. i have no regrets about that question. nor am i in the market for a lesson from jane fonda about ways and is not appropriate. look at her treatment of our military during the vietnam war. many of our veterans still call her hanoi jane. jesse: but the journalists at the view are questioning her integrity. i have never seen a journalist do something like that. who is a journalist? jesse: joining us with reaction, joe concha, for someone who has had work done like yourself. what do you make of this? i think megyn kelly was in the right here. jane fonda brought up in multiple interviews that she had cosmetic work done. jesse: i like the fact that megyn came back hard on this. this is the old megyn. old viper, the old tenacious prosecutor megyn. she isn t going to take it and punch right back. if you are going to criticize fonda, you can t go back four wars. jesse: you are right, though. that did play well with this audience. i don t know how well that punch-back will play with the nbc audience. i think joy apologized later. i didn t mean to call her the b word. so she knew she went over the line. the allegation always trumps the apology. jesse: we had this breaking story at espn. mespn. saying donald trump is a white supremacist. now she has been demoted. they will make her do some dot com stuff. you go from the sports center which is the flagship show to dot com, that s a demotion. it s all about buck skin. ratings were way down. the reason why they were down on that show is jemele hill decided to be polarizing to half the country. the guys there want escapism and you have to listen to her talk about donald trump. she wasn t even suspended for that. she said we should boycott the today has cowboys. jesse: not very smart. bye-bye. now we have another story. president obama before he was president, when he was running, 2008, was photographed with louis farakan. let s look at the picture. i think we have it right there. here it is. this is the 2005 photo. but it came into circulation right before he was running in 2008. explain what happened. they buried this. they buried it. a member of the black caucus said that photo, do not run that. jesse: the congressional black caucus said what? do not run it. jesse: the photo journalist, does he have to listen to the congressional black caucus? so he could have run it but he chose not to. if bill ayres can run around with the president in his early career and reverend wright. barack obama was teflon. even if this photo got out, it wouldn t have changed anything. jesse: it s photographic evidence, everybody knows farakan. i think we have some highlights. the satanic jews. they control everything and mostly everybody. don t let this white man tell you that violence is wrong. he s worthy to be hated. jesse: he was running against mccain at the time and we had the stock market crash. but this was explosive. this was more than reverend wright, more than bill ayres. i think this was pretty bad. don t celebrities and senators take photos with a lot of people? jesse: you don t want to see some of the photos i have taken. but they could be problematic if i was running for president. i was young. let me ask you about this. nikki haley. she is the u.n. ambassador. this guy wolf, he puts out this thing in the book and he s trying to make some scurrilous allegation that there was an affair going on with president trump and someone else. he mentioned it on the bill maher show. there is something in the book that it was absolutely sure of by the was so incendiary that it just didn t have the ultimate proof. considering what he s done, was it a woman thing? yes, i didn t have the blue dress. when you hit that paragraph you will say bingo. jesse: there is something about the president spending a lot of time with someone on air force one. they are making an allegation that nikki haley had some sort of affair with president trump. it s an example of gossip being treated like gospel. michael wolff is a ludicrous figure. in his own book s introduction he says there are some things in here that are badly untrue. you have a media that cheers it on and doesn t even question. bill: i feel terrible for nikki haley that she has to respond 20 to something like this. it s absolutely not true. it s highly offensive and it s disgusting. i have literally been on air force one once. and there were several people in the room while i was there. i have never talked to the president about my future and i am never alone with him. jesse: where are the other women saying you are making a ridiculous allegation about a woman that she has to sleep with her boss to get ahead. she was the governor of south universal. shd of south carolina. she wasn t a waitress. why don t you substitute kathleen sebelius. where are all the pundits defending nikki haley. wilbur ross, and others are the heroes of this administration. jesse: overconcha. thank you very much. a cherokee indian taking on elizabeth poke than as warren next. let your inner light loose with one a day women s. a complete multivitamin specially formulated with key nutrients plus vitamin d for bone health support. your one a day is showing. in acres and a half day ofjust becauswork is twelve hours.ured nor, will unyielding temperatures and a long list of grueling tasks stop you. your relentless spirit drives you forward and makes work feel less like work. some call it your heritage. others say it s an obsession. you regard it as a blessed life. introducing the mahindra retriever. ythen you turn 40 ande everything goes. tell me about it. you know, it s made me think, i m closer to my retirement days than i am my college days. hm. i m thinking. will i have enough? 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a lot of people think they have, you know, a great, great great cherokee grandmother. and there is this myth that after we traveled the trail of tears we scattered and vanished. but what actually happened is for those of us who came to oklahoma, we reestablished our sovereign government. we still have our language and ceremonial ways. so for people to draw on a distant relative where they have a fuzzy connection where they can t name it. i can t think of a growers misrepresentation of who we are. we are connected. we know each other. jesse: she is a democrat, you are a democrat. if she does come out and apologize, would you vote for her? you know, it s interesting you played trump calling her pocahontas in the lead-up, and i was listening to that. jesse: is that offensive as a native american? yes, pocahontas was a teenager who rather than the fictional love story we have been told was actually kidnapped and held hostage and died when she was 21. it s a sad story. today in the u.s. four in five native women will be raped, stalked or abiewsd in their lifetime. so for those cartoons to be thrown about when the reality is we are still living the violence the real pocahontas lived is wrong. jesse: california s party bros are back. with rocket mortgage, i can manage the whole process from my phone, so i do it when it s convenient. i can explore all my options, adjust my rate, my term, and get approved in minutes. sounds dummy proof. rocket mortgage by quicken loans. get approved in as few as 8 minutes. brand power. helping you buy better. and i like to sort of go to our party regular st. louis method on that. there is a simple platform for who gets to come in and who has to leave. you are chilled you can come in. if you are a d. bag you have to leave. it s better than who you know. you can miss out on quality dudes. jesse: you guys aren t for chain migration where it s who your cousin or uncle is. you are for merit base. so what you have to offer the party is who gets in. you are boxing usn into a point of view we may not share completely. but we appreciate your extrapolation. jesse: i would never want to box you in. your state until it cross mayors of little rocket man. he s threatening armageddon. kim jong-un. the guy with the funny haircut from the hermit kingdom. he wants to annihilate california. what do you think we should do about little rocket man? 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he never went in, sheriffs deputy only armed guard on campus during a deadly shooting in high school, quote never went into the building when the shooting was taking place. that was according to sheriff israel of broward county who described how he felt as he watched the video of the deputy do absolutely nothing as the gunman killed 17 people. devastated. sick to my stomach. there are no words l i mean, these families lost their children. we lost coaches h i ve been to the funerals. i ve been to the homes where they sit and shiver. i ve been to the vigils. it s just there are no words. well, that deputy scott peterson, he resigned today. the irony this news coming on the same day that president trump doubled down on his call to arm the nation s teachers as a way to combat mass shootings in schools. i think a concealed permit for having teachers and letting people know there are people in the building with a gun, you won t have, in my opinion, you won t have these shootings. because these people with cowards. they won t walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns. it may be 10%. it may be 40%. and what i would recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. we give them a little bit of a bonus. so practically for free you have now made the school into a hardened target. well, let s think about that for a minute. there are roughly 3.5 million teachers in the united states today. that according to the department of education. 40% would mean 1.4 million teachers in this country would be armed under the president s plan. the idea sparked outrage immediately from stoneman douglas high school students to even republican senators. to arm every like to arm any teacher, they are there to teach. we don t need to put guns in the hands of teachers. i don t believe teachers should be armed. i believe teachers should teach the notion my kids are dwog to school with teachers that are armed with a weapon is not something that quite frankly i m comfortable with. i might say the same as a dad as well. well, even as trump proposes teachers carry weapons in the classroom, the president says that he opposed to preparing teachers and students with active shooter drills. active shooter drills is a very negative thing. i ll be honest with you. i mean if i m a child and i m ten years old and they say we are going to have an active shooter drill, i say what s that. people may come in and shoot you. i think that s a very negative thing to be talking about to be honest with you. let s go to martin savage, in parkland, florida with the breaking news on that sheriff s department. really, martin only armed officer on campus, never went into the building where the shooting was taking place. what are you learning tonight about what happened? reporter: it s an additional horrific turn in the narrative, jim. and, remember, just a couple of days ago that these families who lost their children wrl told by the fbi that they had received a tip that they had failed to act on. now on top of that, they are being told there was an armed officer, the school resource officer, a trained veteran sheriffs deputy in uniform with aside arm standing outside the building where the shootings are taking place, and that officer, scott peterson, did not do anything according to scott israel which is broward county sheriff. they said they are launching an investigation. asked for his resignation. instead he is it resigning and going into retirement. but it is a horrible turn of events. questions have been raised about scott peterson eversince the shooting on campus especially for the families who had lost children. now it appears the time that he was waiting outside, the only president did comments on twitter, that he believes will make schools safer. also heard him say he wants to get rid of though at the same time active shooter drills. how serious is he about that step? reporter: well, jim, there was certainly one stripping of consistent thought in the president s view on what should be done here. first, he voiced a lot of concern and ideas on social media. then again during a listening session with state and local officials. and one theme was to have more guns in schools. he said gun free zones in school, sign outside that says gun free zone is a welcome mat, if you will for shooters. sew said that school officials, coaches or teachers should be armed if they are prepared for that. he said not all of them, of course, will want to do it. but he talked about again and again about school teachers being armed. it s a deterrent. but we have all heard suicide by cop. this is what shooters do. this if played out would be suicide by history teacher perhaps. it does not make a lot of sense to republicans in this town, democrats in this town who want to do something about this. but the president also was outlining a variety of different things. thing to keep an eye on, he said the age limit to buy these weapons he believes should go from 18 to 21. that is at odds with the nra. so that is one place he would potentially confront the nra it would be on that. but it was the teacher proposal the president talked about today again and again that certainly raised eyebrows at the white house. no question, jeff zeleny there at the white house. outfront let s ask teachers. sharon learner is teacher in stoneman douglas high school in parkland where the faculty and students were killed. and he s offering free concealed carry training to local teachers around the country. sarah, if i could begin with you. you were in your classroom with stud ent students when shooting started at stoneman douglas. you lost two students. he heard the president to to be armed if you have aptitude, as he described t is thatit. is that a good idea? no, i have no desire to own a gun, shoot a gun, carry a gun, touch a gun. i don t think my coming to school with a gun would have changed anything. i wasn t in the building. i m in building six, not building 12. so if i would have been on campus with a gun, there would have literally been nothing for me to do. now, i know you initially, as i understand it, you started leaving the building where you were, which as you said was a separate building. yes. when the gunman pulled the fire alarm. once you heard the shooting ran back into your class room hold up there for i understand for more than two hours along with several of your students until s.w.a.t. arrived. yes. was there ever a moment in there had you had a gun you might have felt safer? no. no. because hi i i don t need to have a gun to keep my safe. i knew the s.w.a.t. team, fbi, broward sheriff s office, local offices were here securing the campus and keep me safe. that made me feel safe. if i had begun in my classroom with 15 students, i wouldn t have used it. i didn t see the shooter. i heard the shots when i went outside. but having a gun would do me no good. if anything, if i had a gun on campus, it would have been locked in my closet, and if somebody had come in the room, in the time it would take me to get my keys and open my closet i would would be dead. sheriff, i know you are no stranger, you had experience, 15-year-old wounded four other students opening fire in cafeteria in one of your schools just last year. but i understand you agree with the president? i agree with the president. or let s say the president agrees with me. we had a school shooting. i have talked to teachers in the school where we had the school shooting. they would have liked to have a gun. we are not talking about everybody having a weapon. the teacher you have on here i can understand if you are not comfortable with a weapon and trained, i agree with her. but still the teachers are being shot. kids are being shot. within five minutes the shooting is over. 8 minutes the police are there. the only thing you can do is hide and wait. we have to train. teachers should be trained at least to see a gun, no what it looks like, sounds like, what to do. they should be trained in first aid. we arrested two yesterday one said they would beat the 17 number. one said they were going to do shooting. the day after the shooting we arrested five just in our local area. that s just here not the whole united states. let me ask you this. we had a test case of this, did we not at parkland. because there was an armed school research, resource officer, sor as we know, trained uniformed guard, who didn t do anything. and listen i don t want to attack this one person too much. i spoke to a u.s. retired u.s. general tonight who commanded troops in iraq and said that reaction to violence is not uncommon. i mean, if the armed trained uniformed security guard at parkland didn t do it, why would we expect teachers like sarah or others to be that frontline responder? i wouldn t expect sarah to be a frontline responder. i would expect, when you have people like the officer there, just imagine if we had some teachers in the school that were certified and trained, we would at least have somebody in that school with a weapon. but there was someone in the school with weapon. please. they didn t go in. we had an officer in our school with a weapon also. he was in the cafeteria. and when he waited for him and the principal to leave the cafeteria, then the kid jumped up and shot four people, emptied weapon out, 15 years old. you need backup in the schools. officers aren t always the answer. you need someone twout a weapon that can be trained. when people say go ahead. let s give sarah a chance because she s in the classroom. sarah, what do you think? sure. okay. so just for argument sake, sheriff, if i were to have a gun and carry it at school and this happened in the cafeteria where i am not, how am i helping? if someone comes into my classroom and i m on the other side of the room not near ply gun, how is the gun going to help keep me safe? he s going to shoot me before i can access my gun? sheriff, how do you answer that? you ll be shot anyway. you ll probably going to be shot anyway. students will be shot. only thing you can do is beg for your life or wait for the police to get there. you have people that are trained. so if i m going to be shot anyway, then why do i need to car ka carry a gun? because you ll save the lives of other students. if you had the gun you wouldn t be shot. that doesn t make sense. that s not necessarily true, sir. we agree to disagree. we do agree to disagree. because i don t think that arming teachers one at a time, so the audience can follow. sheriff, go ahead, and then sarah, trust me i want to give me your due. but sheriff if you can complete your shot. okay. sure, i talked to a teacher in florida today who said she s okay with weapons in school. she personally doesn t want a weapon. we have people that are trained with weapons before they become teachers and school boards have to approve the weapons in the school. and here in ohio i had 300 teachers sign up in less than eight hours that want to be trained in firearms and want to have guns. so when people say that they don t want guns, the teachers don t want to be armed, sure there are those. but just as many that wanted to be harmed and should be. let s give sarah a chance to respond. yes, sir. i believe the overwhelming majority of teachers do not want to be armed. and the president said that those of us who would be willing to be armed would get some kind of a bonus h i m not even given adequate money to buy supplies for my classroom. but now if i choose to carry a gun, a gun will be provided for me and i ll be given a bonus? i would rather see all of that money go to having more security personnel on my campus. giving me more money in my paycheck. i don t need a gun. give me the money instead. sarah and sheriff, we ll have to leave it there. but thank you. it s a difficult issue. you disagree on it but you gave each other time to make your points. sure. and i know on a topic like that that s tough. thank you to both of you. let s keep up the conversation. thaupnk you, guys. i appreciate it. up next, the nra out to blame everything but guns. prying white mott horse to you and many in the legacy media. plus breaking news in the russian investigation, new charges against manafort and gates, is mueller putting squeeze on them to make a deal. and father of a teenager killed just a week ago calls out senator marco rubio to his face. that father is my guest. insura- it was really easy. easy. that d be nice. phone: for help with chairs, say chair. phone: for help with bookcases, say bookcase. bookcase. i thought this was the dresser? 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no, i think it s part of it. because i think it s telling how quickly people immediately and particularly people in politics and media how quickly they try to blame the nra for this tragedy. and in fact the nra has brn diligently working to try to prevent these kinds of tragedies through things like arming our schools properly. i believe and the nra believes it s outrageous in america that our priorities are so misplaced that we grd our money and our jewels and office buildings with armed security but not our precious children. and that has to change. keith, that was a comparison the president made today about banks and others. and he even talked about gun free campuses being something like ice cream compared the students to ice cream. do you think the nra is doing as steve says it s best to protect area students. i think they are doing their best to protect nra and people continue to own guns and stockpile weapons. i don t think they are trying to protect the students. i don t think against. but that s not their my yort. priority is to their millions of members. the reality is president trump received money from the nra. rubio received money from nra. and nra is using influence to present those ideas to them and block any kind of legislation that would prove common sense gun reform that most americans support. most americans support universal background checks, and banning bump stocks, support things like raising the age for owning these deadly weapons. but the nra won t allow members of congress on their side to do anything about it. steve, that s an issue where the president and nra, there is daylight between them. on the age, 18 and 21 president might support that on bump stock ban. can you see the president following through even in defiance of a powerful lobbying group like nra? yes. and the nra hasn t said what they believe about the age definition. but the president is willing to go up against nra in that case. when we talk about the nra some of the critics of the nra want to give it mythical status and how powerful and money it gives. it is pretty darn powerful. decks and republicans will run from a negative rating from the nra. this is my point. what it spends on political races is pittance compared to what unions. what they do have millions of americans incredibly dedicated to gun rights and organization and tens of millions of people agree with them. vast majority of the people believe guns are fundamental right that the second amendment is real and it s an individual right. and almost all of them by the way own guns responsibly. now, can we find better ways to keep guns out of people s hands who shouldn t have them who are mentally unwell? of course. trump for that, nra is for that, i m for that. in the meantime what makes sense is guard our children. why do we allow them to be sitting ducks when we know that sick and deranged people are purposely targeting them. keith, your response. best way to protect our people is not have armed guards in the schools. for god s sake, there is an armed security resource officer at the school in parkland, florida, he did nothing. this whole line that doesn t negate the argue mtd for having him. this whole line is baloney. we saw it in las vegas. what was a good guy going to do to stop shooting of 600 people when the guy was in hotel room hundreds of feet away? that s totally separate issue. i m talking about school shootings. what would happen in fort hood? i m glad you mentioned this. let me finish. fort hood, the u.s. naval facility in washington d.c. yard. the naval yard. plenty of examples. yes i know they don t have weapons. everybody has weapons and facility. what you are going to say. no, they don t have weapons. plenty of examples where people have armed weapons, and they are still not able to stop a bad person with a gun. so how do you want to protect schools? way to do it, the way other countries do it, the way they don t have mass shootings, they don t have the access to guns that we do. they don t pal lou people who have mental issues to have access to guns. we don t here either. young people to have access. they have universal background checks. they make sure we restrict certain guns so they are not in use. not everyone needs to have an a saultd weapon. steve, please respond. even if gun control were a good idea which i don t think at all it is, but let s say for sake of argument it is, there are already 10 million ar-15 in this country. 300 total million guns. that toothpaste is not going back in the tube. we still have a problem with school shootings and protect our school children even if i were to, grant you gun control. they did it in australia. do you think americans will give up their fundamental life? australia is different and thank goodness. very successful and they have had no mass shootings. i want to play. because this is a wider point that we heard nra c pack conference in washington. have a listen to the point she was making. many in legacy media love mass shootings. you guys love it. now, i m not saying that you love the tragedy. but i am saying that you love the ratings. crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back. steve, you have to admit we often see after shootings like this nra and others find many culprits other than guns, right, for the trouble and of course the media is a favorite target. is that a fair argument for her to make there? well, by the way, you can t blame guns. she s saying that we i ve covered shootings before there is nothing enticing school shooting. i m a dad. is that fair? i think her words were far too harsh. i don t believe people critical of the media believe love mass shootings. she is ton an important point though. which is i live in chicago. in chicago, statistically we have a parkland body count, roughly every week in chicago. it s mostly young black men. and because they are killed one and two at a time and not this mass scene that we saw in awful scene in parkland doesn t get much attention in the national media. so i think she s onto something there. i don t think that s the point she s making there. first of all, most of these conservatives talk about the black crime taking place in chicago and other places. i sure do and i live there. actually listen to what black people were saying, majority of black people, 74% of black support federal registry of gun purchases. if you want to listen to what black people are saying about weapons, then listen to us, don t lecture to us from c pack conference. how dare she go there and say that. when the night before she was town hall in parkland and refused to say any of that. what a cowardly thing to make those comments. just like wane lapeer, why didn t he go there, where is the courage in that. when you talk about an assault weapon ban supposedly cutting down on crime, so long guns are not preferred choice of criminals. you have to admit is different story. we ll have to leave it there. thanks. difficult target. outfront next, new indictments from the mueller probe, is mule tear ramping up pressure on campaign aides. plus. your comments this week and those of our president have been pathetically weak. the father who lost a daughter and stood up to senator marco rubio is my guest. breaking news tonight in the russia investigation. special counsel robert mueller filing new charges just unsealed against former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and former trump campaign deputy chairman rick gates sign that mueller is applying new pressure on both of them possibly to have them reconsider working with the investigation h this new indictment includes 32 counts of tax and bank fraud, including a charge that the pair laundered more than $30 million in income. shimon is outfront. i know you ve been reading through this indictment. a lot of counts there. what can you tell us? reporter: yes, very tangled facts in the indictment. the key here there are these new bank charges these two face. and the significant thing is they could land them in jail up to 30 years which is significantly more time they faced in previous indictment. now as you said this could put pressure on the two to cooperate. this indictment is similar to some of the charges we saw in the first indictment where the two based on money the two were making on lobby work on pro russian leader of the ukraine. and new the two men according to the indictment pa ledge he hadly took this money and hide it from u.s. authorities. allegedly parked millions of dollars in unreported money in u.s. real estate as well as offshore bank accounts. and the indictment said they used new property as collateral to take out fraudulent bank loans. now these two charges mount pressure to perhaps cooperate. and cnn, as cnn has reported rick gates was in talks to cooperate. and the question now is will he still cooperate despite these new charges. we are told they possibly could still strike a deal. but, you know, jim, there is every indication these new charges are effort to get manafort to flip as well. 30 years in prison, that is a lot of pressure. shimon, thanks very much. outfront now we have former u.s. assistant attorney kim wailly and former nixon counsel john dean. if i could start with you, manafort 18 new charges, gates 23 new charges, this is in virginia in addition to the charges they are already facing. manafort 70 years old, 30 years in prison, talking about dying in prison. gates is wronger but he s got kids. this is a significant amount of prosecutor pressure, is it not? absolutely. this has got to make these two men and their families and lawyers quake in their boots. really serious. and the level of specificity in this indictment. i mean, as a law professor it s actually in a way refreshing to see so much focus on the facts. we have pages and pages of transactions. and corporations that money was hidden and all kinds of things that clearly demonstrate that this prosecutor is very serious about the kind of work that he s bringing to bear in this investigation. john, does it give you clues as to where the investigation is heading, apply pressure on gates and mueller to get higher up, including the president? is that what you read into this? i certainly do read that with the additional charges. but also in the indictment itself or actually in the status report i found in the docket today, that the special counsel says the reason he filed this additional indictment, the indictment in the eastern district is that one of the defendants refused to wave ive the district of columbia, that any of the crimes occurred in the district of columbia, so they had a venue problem. so they have actually right now two indictments against them. one in the eastern district, this new 32 count indictment, and one the 12 count indictment is still standing in the dils tri district of columbia. so they created this em self a good nightmare. goodness. kim, cnn had reported gates had been in negotiations with mueller s office to strike a plea deal. you add these new charges, i imagine to try to resurrect plea bargains? or maybe ongoing. other thing interesting about this indictment that tells a story, it speaks of gates as manafort s quote right hand man. so it really paints a picture where they were side by side. manafort perhaps the boss. gates the henchman that s doing the bidding for many, many, many years, many, many, alleged crimes. so there will be pressure i think on both of them. and certainly in gates does flip, it makes manafort in a particularly precarious position going forward. now, john, the president has been asked about the possibility of pardons. hasn t been particularly clear in his public comments. but here s what he has said in the past. i don t want to talk about pardons for michael flynn yet. we ll see what happens. that regarding michael flynn, well see, he s leaving the door open there. do the new charges impact what would happen if trump decided to pardon either of them? well, obviously, they are federal offenses so he could pardon both gates and manafort. however, there are offenses that occurred really unrelated to his campaign or his presidency. so these are this is bad behavior that predated that. obviouslily found them in the course of the investigation. it was within the jurisdiction of the special counsel. and special counsel is obviously using it to try to learn more about the campaign. so, you know, it s an open playing field actually for the president what he wants to do. but i think heed have a lot of trouble justifying pardons for these offenses. and the list well, quick thought, kim, sorry. if i could jump in on pardon. a couple of things as was mentioned any state charges would not be pardoned. but the second thing is that, you know, pardon power is not unlimited. i think that s a bit of a mistaken belief. the president cannot, in my view, as constitutional law professor, pardon people for the wrong rooern. so you couldn t pardon someone to cover up for another crime. another thing the pardon power is crime specific. so even if he did pardon these two indictments at some point, it would not necessarily preclude robert mueller from bringing down additional charges assuming he had the evidence. so it s a bit of a cat and mouse chasing gain pardon power. i don t think that s part of this panacea that will protect this president from this investigation. kim, john, thanks very much. thank you. thank you. outfront next, jaime guttenberg was killed in florida last week. tonight her father speaks out about what the white house is and is not doing about school shootings. and is trump s national security adviser on his way out? 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of course they are. and they are la weapon of choice, can you say that? number one, fred, i absolutely believe that in this country, if you are 18 years of age you should not be able to buy a rifle and i ll support a law that will take that right away. fantastic. i think what you are asking about is assault weapons ban. yes, sir. so let me be honest with you about that one. if i believe that that law would have prevented this from happening i would support it. but i want to explain to you why it would not. outfront now is fred guttenberg. and, fred, as father i ve been thinking about talking to you all day, and my heart truly goes out to you. you really put it on the line. thank you. last night going head to head with the united states senator there. yet today we hear from marco rubio, florida senator. and the white house no ban. what s your reaction? frustration. just over a week ago today my daughter was hunted as school as were 16 other people. not only do we hear no discussion on a ban, we hear no discussion on anything productive. the reality is we have we have a public safety issue but certainly school safety issue. and everybody kind of runs to the bunker on positions. i don t have i have a position chblt i m a dad and i want my kids to go to school be and safe. i ve been thinking about this a week. i ve been thinking about it all day as i ve been talking to people. and this is a complicated issue. you certainly have entrenched special interests, many of which have been kind of nasty, i can take it, but to the kids. and i this i we need to deal with it. i do think leadership, that would mean the president, that would mean the senate, that would mean the congress and the states, need to deal with this issue. and i think they have to maybe the mistake is everybody runs to their bunkers rather than someplace there is a solution. and the problem is you have incidents and you have casualtities. we need to address all the factors that lead to the incidents. and honestly, everything i ve heard, i m in total agreement with. there is human factors in terms of law enforcement. there are factors of law and what law enforcement can do. there is mental health factors. but then there is the issue of casualties and injuries. and that s the issue that has to do with guns. and you can t eliminate any of those factors. they all need to be addressed. yeah. we learned just a short time ago that the armed school resource officer, they are known as sro, there was one on campus, he was suspended today because officials found he never entered the building during the shooting. what does that say to you about armed guards being part of the solution? well, you know what, and i m glad you brought it up. that s the human factor. okay. and i thisnk that gets to the incidents part but also limiting casualties. i do think that maybe in the past we haven t put our best, when it comes to police, on school campuses. and maybe that s been a mistake. and we need to relook at that. because i am all for enhancing security on school campuses. and maybe a campus of that size shouldn t just have one armed resource officer, not teachers, but security, who is a trained police officer, but should have more than one. and it shouldn t be somebody who has already kind of gone through their best police years, but maybe it should be the bad ast police officers who are going to take action and run in and not worry about the consequences to their public safety to save lives. and i apologize for my language, i just can t help it. hey, listen, i m not going to quell for you for that what you ve been through. the president today also brought up this issue that you often here after school shootings, active violence, that violence in video games is somehow partly responsible. video games, movies, for shaping young people s thoughts. do you think that that s in the scheme of causes, as you said earlier, multiple causes behind this kind of thing, do you think that s a significant one? i m not sure. i would say i don t know. i doubt it. it kind of sound silly on the surface to me. but that said, if there is it a component of that why we have all these incidents, then it should be looked at. on the surface it kind of seems silly. however, if that is part of the mental health discussion, then i want to have that conversation. i would love to see the people in this country, and i would love to be part of that, let the president call it, let him pull it together, let him do a real public safety session, where we bring all the professionals together to identify what are the real factors that lead to the incidents, and what are the steps we need to take to cut down the casualties and injuries when the incidents happen. right. you know, fred, after last night s comments in the town hall, your comments that interaction made headlines not just in the u.s. but around the world. you could see them on the screen here. eight days ago as you were sending your daughter to school, i m sure you never dreamed or had nightmares of being in a position like this. every desired to be in a position like this. you know, i spent my entire life with my children and my wife with a basic philosophy. and i always say to them in talking about what stress and hard times are, saying, when we wake up in the morning and those we love and care about are safe and healthy, it s the start of a good day. when we go to sleep at night, and those we love and care about are still safe and healthy, we have just finished a good day. everything else in between is just stuff we need to deal with. in my wildest imagination, no, i never imagined that my daughter was going to be hunted at school. i never imagined that i would spend the rest of my life starting my day at a cemetery for my child who at the age of 14 truly had her life figured out. you know, this was not your typical kid. and now we talk about rights in relation to this discussion. all of my daughter s rights have been terminated. it s no, it s not something i ever manlimagined. off in the distance, and you can t see it, but i have my son waiting for me. my 17-year-old son. i always thought i could protect my kids, and now i can t make him that promise. and now i have stoeto send him to school on tuesday. and i m going to send it back, because my family, we re strong. and i, i insist that you face it. but i m scared to death. yeah. listen, i m heartbroken for you. and i know i m not alone. folks here with me at cnn, but a lot of folks watching tonight are thinking of you and let me just share, let me just share those thoughts with you tonight. and i really do wish you the best. hug your son tonight. i m sure you will. thank you. i really appreciate your time. outfront next, is the white house trying to find a new job for the national security adviser? 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well, first of all, donald trump is hard on the furniture, to put it one way, which is just to say, he is very tough on staff. look at who he has run through in his year and a little bit in the white house, jim. and then we got a signal in regards to the russia investigation on saturday, general mcmaster was in germany. and basically said, it s hard to deny at this point that russia was behind this interference effort. well, trump then took to twitter to say, what mr. mcmaster forgot to say was this and this and this and this. so donald trump doesn t really like anyone who doesn t defend him, what he believes to be wholeheartedly. mcmaster got sideways on that. the one thing i would say, that works for general mcmaster, is he s a general. we know donald trump, refers to him as my generals, knows him as john kelly, jim mattis, h.r. mcmaster. donald trump moves towards and likes and values the counsel of military men. well, we know that mcmaster is not the only white house official currently on thin ice. he s recently had issues with non-generals. his attorney general, jeff session, chief of staff, john kelly, secretary of state, rex tillerson, deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, and now, of course, mcmaster. this seems to be par for the course. yeah, i mean, it is like an episode of the apprentice, right? he brings all these people in. he swerves and you think he s going to fire this guy, but he fires this guy over here. this is donald trump s m.o. i always tell people, if you want some sense of how druonald trump views management and leadership, watch the apprentice and the celebrity apprentice for which he was, along with mark barnett, a co-creator and producer of. he spars one against the other, cliff-hangers. he believe publicing calling people out is what gets them to give their best effort. i would suggest the past year would dispute that contention, but he clearly believes it. and he s even dismissed a former apprentice contestant, right, from his white house? fired three times and they just fired her a fourth, in the words of raj shah. chris zla cillizza, thank very much, and we ll be right back. it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum tum tum tum. smoothies. only from tums with advil s fast relief, you ll ask, what pulled muscle? what headache? nothing works faster to make pain a distant memory. advil liqui-gels and advil liqui-gels minis. what pain? 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this coming as president trump does appear to be going ut alone. essentially acting as his own lead attorney. this was according to sources who say the president feels misled and no longer wants anyone else in charge. it is a decision with massive implications, given the fact president trump s personal lawyer and ficker of a dozen years is under investigation and his documents have been seized by federal prosecutors. that means the president, who does not have a law degree, is trying essentially take over his own defense and today he went on offense on twitter about the russia investigation, tweeting slippery james comey, the worst fbi director in history, was not fired because of the phony russia veinvestigation. where by the way, there was no collusion except by the dems. of course, there s a huge problem with the tweet like that. and that is this. the president himself said last year on national television that comey was fired because of russia. regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey. know iing there was no good tim to do it. and in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is made up story. an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. president trump also lashing out today against stormy daniels and her sketch of a man she claims threatened her in a las vegas parking lot. he wrote a tesketch years later and a nonexistent man. a total con jobplay injob playis media for fools. daniels attorney coming on cnn with wolf blitzer to say this. likely going to be amending our complaint. looking at doing that now, to add a defamation claim directly against the president. and let s go to jeff now. who is at that press conference where the president said there was no collusion at least five times in west palm beach when he appear ed with the japanese prie minister. erin, it certainly seemed like president trump was responding to questions about this investigation from a year ago. never mind the fact that there have been guilty pleas, never mind the fact this has developed so much he s still using the word hoax going back to what he has called it from the beginning. but he did shed some new light on questions that have been lingering. he seemed to down play suggestions that he would fire rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general. in fact, the acting attorney general in this matter and fire on bob mueller. he said this has been discussed for four or five months. didn t rule it out spientirely. he said we want the sbes investigation to be over with, put behind us so we can get back to business. the question of course, how does that ever happen when he doesn t acknowledge the full extent of the investigation? of course this has changed so much in the last week and a half or so because of michael cohen, the person who s closest to him of really any other advisers now is in legal trouble. so the president trying to say no collusion at all. he cited that house intelligence committee. you know, the findings of that. we should remember that was the republican finding of the committee that said you know, there was nothing to see there. the democrats disagreed with that. the senate still investigating and the bob mueller ve investigation very much alive here. so the president in a bit of a denial saying it s still a hoax as we know. acting essential ly as his own lawyer and going his own way here. but one other thing, the very end o the news conference as he was walking away, asked about russia sanctions. he said we ll do sanctions as soon as they desieve it. that would be in the eye of the beholder. onef the reasons he changed his mipd. that s something that will get many talking. thank you very much. we re going to talk more about that in a moment. i want to go to the former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. harry. that s where the michael cohen case is right now. wendy murphy is the former prosecutor and david gergen served as adviser to four presidents. harry, look, as you heard jeff reporting, the president essentially acting as his own lawyer and in a sense, you hear that now when he s saying going off with his list of things and going back to a year ago before there were guilty pleas and all sorts of p inindictments. but he s tweeting one thing that clearly contradicts what he said before. this is what happens when someone who isn t a lawyer essentially takes on their own defense. that s absolutely right. and this is not a good idea. he s saying one thing. there s videotape showing something the opposite. he s continuing to call the investigation a hoax. when many people have gone into court, under oath, admitting they ve committed serious crimes. even if it doesn t lead back to him to say the investigation is a hoax at this point doesn t really make any sense. gamble. but i suppose it is possible. and if at the end of the day, he faces no charges, he gets in no trouble and none of the documents connect him to the daniels payment and there s nothing there with with regard to him and russia, then he not only comes across as arrogant, but kind of smart and you know, strategic. the problem is most of what he says if you just think about from a defense per spspective, m a criminal defense perspective, even from a civil lawyer s defense perspective, there s no advantage to saying things like this is about to collapse on its own and it s all about to wrap up soon. i mean, cohen just had his office searched. that does not look like an investigation that s about to end soon. so in a sense, he sets him up, sets himself up for looking like he doesn t have a clue for what s going on. he s not approaching this as a chess game, which you want to do in a case that s a lot of politics. he s playing it much more like a politician than a defense attorney and i think that s dangerous. again, his behavior, people like trey cao di gowdy have called this out. if there s not to hide, why act as if there is. about the raid op your personal attorney that s nothing that s a problem b that could be unveil nd that raid. david, the president of course is coming out as all this is happening, he said something else tonight at the press conference, which is backing off a little bit off firing rod rosenstein and bob mueller, which of course he himself said the other day at a meeting with his cabinet, we ll have to see. we ll have to see about bob mueller. here s what he had to say. as far as the two gentlemen you told me about, they ve been saying i m going to get rid of them for the last three months. four months. five months. and they re still here. so we want to get the investigation over with. done with. put it behind us. and we have to get back to business. david, that is backing off big time. saying that a man who serves as his own lawyer has a fool for a client. donald trump could well pay attention to that. it s an old proverb. but you do need in the capacity to tiptoe through dangerous mine fields when you re being criminally investigated. i do think this president is making a leap to think he is superman. doesn t need anybody else s help. he does need help. he needs legal protection. i thought overall in the press conference that what he was doing was trying to keep his options open. he leaned away from where he s been. on the on going back into the trans pacific you know, pa partnership. on one issue after another, i think he was trying not to be definitive because it can go either way. i think that is also something he needs the think about because as in the sanctions case, you know, he s undercut his own representative at the u.n. nikki haley. by saying you know, she had it all wrong. which we are going to have a lot more on that. there s been big developments on that. but this is all coming in, when you talk about the criminal investigation into michael cohen, the president s personal attorney and fixer, the new york attorney general did something today that could change the game. he s asking new york state to basically change the law in new york state. so if someone is quicked and pardoned by the president of the united states, they can still be tried in new york. and therefore, still go to prison if they are convicted in new york. that could change the game for michael cohen because if he s think iing oh, i ll just stick d be loyal to the president because i know he ll pardon me, maybe you say, wait, maybe not. right. there s something behind door number two at this point. and it could be an investigation. either by the new york attorney general or potential lly by a district attorney in new york, the manhattan district attorney or someone else. new york has this law which gives defendants more rights than the u.s. constitution entitles them to and the attorney general is asking the state legislature to amend this law so that if someone is charged and tried or pleads guilty in federal court, they can also be prosecutor eprosecu time. so the president cannot save you from prison essentially if you re convicted. right. obviously could be very significant when talkin about this and the developments and whether cohen ever does turn on his boss. thank you very much. next, breaking new, president trump changing his mind on imposing sanctions on russia. just moments ago though, insisting that no one has been tougher on moscow. plus, the man who the white house aides reportedly say is the unofficial chief of staff. what is hannity? an opinion journalist? advocacy? i m a talk show host. and a chief of staff? and calm under pressure. we have part of the aircraft missing. we re going to need to slow down a bit. just imagine what was going on when she had that call. who is the hero pilot who saved more than 100 lives? is it possible to save someone s life. from thousands of miles away? yes. thanks to the dedicated technicians at the american red cross. who worked with vmware. to develop 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will tell you, there s been nobody toughe than donald trump. okay, the thing is is that which happened moments ago, came after this. a senior administration official telling cnn that the administration called the russian embassy directly to say there will be no new sanctions against russia. and it s a huge about face for president trump because it was done. the united states was going to sanction russian companies linked to syria s chemical weapons program. it was completely decided. and nikki haley announced it on television. we don t know when the president changed his mind, but no one told her before she said this on national television. you ll see that russian sanctions will be coming down. secretary mnuchin will be announcing those on monday if he hasn t already. okay. that was a done deal. i think pretty safe the to say. no one told her that it wasn t. the president has changed his mind then kcalled the russia nso tell them. this has set off u a scuffle with larry kudlow saying haley must have been confused and haley saying with all due respect, i don t get confused. i always laugh when people start a sentence that way. it means the opposite. she felt disrespected by the white house slam. outfront now, former u.s. ambassador to nato, nick burns, samantha and former republican congressman and chair, mike rogers. congressman, let me start with the news that we have here. someone on the trump administration is told after haley announces the sanctions. clearly, that was a done deal. and call it is russians to say do not worry, nikki haley is wrong. it seems increde bable that such a phone call would happen. it does to me. this has been the gripe from the national security folks for months about the lack of an int interagency process inside the white house. so i have ever confidence that nikki haley was talking to probably people in both the national security counsel and the treasury. and they said hey, we re going to do this. we re going to go after russian companies that have something to do with chemical production in syria. that s why she was so confident on sunday, but without that process, changed their mind and called the russian embassy. it s not just bad. it s a little danger, these mixed signals on something as important as this can get you in trouble in a hurry. and pam bass dorr, it s pretty stunning. someone from the trump administration picks up the phone, calls the russians and says don t worry about ambassador, forget her. don t worry. there s nothing womcoming. this is the problem with the undisciplined nature of donald trump. you can t hang your own people out to try. he needs to pild her build up ny and miami pompeo and the others in the administration. he s not doipg it. when the going gets tough, the president points the finger at someone who works for him. i think she s been one of the stars of this administration. she s a very precise, exacting person and if she thought a decision had been made, she wouldn t have made this announcement if she hadn t thought a decision was medicine and the president just can t change decisions on a whim. he says he s the strongest president against russia. i think a case can be made he s been the weakest since the well before the second world war. he s never really acknowledged the cyber attack on our election by russia. he never formed a national commission to help our 50 states. it took him eight months to implement the sanctions the senate voted 98-2. this is a weak president when it comes to russia. and this is something which is very interesting. not only did ambassador haley go out and do this, having clearly spoken to maybe even secretary mnuchin, when it comes to russia, nikki haley has taken a strong stand and been firm. she has done so completely and opposite to the president of the united states more than once. here s some examples. with cannot trust russia. we should never trust russia. we want to be able to get alopg with russia. it s a good thing. not a bad thing. everybody knows that russia meddled in our elections. it could be russia, but also china. could be lots of other people. it could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pou pounds, okay. not on the same page. no. and nikki haley has not been a wilting flower on russia. much like mike pompeo. it s interesting. both pompeo and haley have been further on front on russia than the president. both have not been fired, where as we ve seen secretary tillerson, who had several differences of opinion with pruch. he was give b ben the boot. so for some reason, they seem to have more yob security anjob se will be be interesting to see how she goes to the u.n. on friday night, president trump said as we announceded the syria strike, we would be putting more financial pressure syria and its backers. so he contradicted himself when he rolled these back and she was left out to dry. i m curious, chairman. tonight, nikki haley said she was walking through the halls of the u.n. someone yelled what s your relationship with the president. she said it was perfect. we can talk about it given the fact this moment just occurred. but you know, she had down played any kind of tension between the two. even though they have so often and strenuously said opposite things on things like russia. here she is. i ve always been true to myself. and when i see something wrong, i call it out regardless of who it is. he knows that b about me. he doesn t tell me what to say. i don t have to take directives. so chairman, can she continue to walk the line when she has been so publicablely, i mean, frankly, neutered on this particular issue of russian sanctions. and take him on when frankly other members of the cabinet have paid the price for that with their jobs. she s performed well in the united nations. ed served the country well. this reminds me of the old quote from george shulgts. there was kerfuffle and someone asked what s your foreign policy view. he said i don t have a foreign policy view. the president d does. so you have to, at some point, you have to get all on the same team. and it sounds to me, this wasn t just nikki haley running out to sunday news show saying something. this was a product of conversations within the national security counsel folks to come to that conclusion and get the sanctions ready. so that change happened in a way that isn t consistent with having surrogates out on the road doing, reaffirming the president s message of what he wants to accomplish. that s what wrong with this. so i think this is a one off for her. i think what i hope happens if they, if and when pompeo gets confirmed, they ll go back to, go back to having people in there the president trusts to make sure efb s on the same page. if you want to have an impact on russia, you have to do that. you can t do what you re doing now. but ambassador, there s also the more, the big question here. which is is not just the miscommunications and how embarrassing and bad it is for the compauntry, but the very sie point of as sam pointeded out, the president of the united states said more financial pressure was coming. it was agreed to. it was announced then he changed his mind. why? why would he change his mind then you know, tonight saying if russia does more to deserve it, we ll put on more pressure. so what changed? i think this is the most important thing we can say about the president. there s no evidence of a strategy near. there wasn t on syria and there s not on russia. with this new foreign policy team, pompeo, bolton, haley and mattis, they re all tough on russia. they all think we ought to be sanctioning russia. and the president is the outlier. sometimes, he thinks he agrees. sometimes, he doesn t. so they re not getting the consistent, strategic leadership from the oval office they need. right and of course we swrus don t know the answer as the why. aiding a chemical attack that was worthy of military strikes but not of sanctions is hard 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well, he is influencing policy on a major scale. he talks to the president several times a week. the president sees his show as a good ash trby tor of what his b is thinking and he cares how hannity presents issues. he often talks to advise ers in the white house about hannity s rating and how extraordinary he thinks they are and hannity is one of the people that when the president has a sensitive issue and he wants to test the pulse of what supporters would think, he talks to hannity. several advisers we poke to for this story said it would be difficult to overstate his influence in the white house and how much he channels the president. how much the president channels him back. this is a median response presidency as steve bannon, one of the president s long time advisers has said and nothing is the epitome of that more than hannity. we could see it. you see it. the word echoes are incredible. here are the few to give everyone a taste. the reason why democrats only talk about the totally made up russia story is because they have no message. no agenda. this is more proof the democratic party is in total disarray. they have no agenda. i think it s terrible. you want to know the truth. i think it s a disgrace what s going on in this country. i think it s a disgrace. the highly classified fisa abuse memo has been released and it is shocking. it is stunning. a lot of people should be b ashamed of themselves. a lot of people broke the law. it s more than a shame. this is to deep in its corruption. okay. a crucial question here is going to be who is echoing whom? i think each is echoing the other. i m so glad you showed that because there s a long tradition of presidents off the record, on the phone talking to media figures. this isn t coziness, this is coordination. this goes so much further. i remember when obama was president. i remember being invited to off the record lunches. he would talk about how he saw the world off the record. sometimes a day or to later, you d see in a column, some of his thinking and language creep in. this is so many steps beyond that. there s a context and precedence for it, but with this coordination. when you talk about the level of coordination, but your reporting is that he s a de facto chief of staff. that s not a small thing to say. that means he s sort of something this president hasn t really had. a first call to bounce an idea off of or ask something of. right, well the president also is pretty close with jeanine piro. talks to her all the time as well. what we have to understand about this president, lou dobbs, a fox business host, he s close with him. he sees the world through a tv prison in many ways. several of his advisers have said when they want to make a case to the president, they do it on television. al lan dirk witz, i give him legal advice on television. a number of of the people around him say that these figures like handy, pi are ro, dobbs, have m power. when he watches these hosts, these influential hosts, it really can shape the presidency. move policy. it can lead to him calling these folks on speakerphone in the middle of meetings. remarkable amount of power. and you know, here s the thing that i m curious. sean hannity is now facing a lot of criticism. he may say he doesn t care and the president doesn t care, but it s not just external sheppard smith, well respected anchor even outside fox news. and political analyst, juan williams, are questioning why did sean hannity not disclose h his connection to cohen? he is facing real pushback internally. there are journalists at fox, this really embarrasses him. he can say no, i m not a journalist, i m an entertainer. when you re going on night after night and railing about the raid on michael cohen s home and hotel room and offices and you re making a big political issue of it and you never mention your incredibly close personal connection, you lose all credibility and you re not playing fair with your viewers. that s obviously the big question. thank you very much. next, michael cohen skipping court to smoke cigars outside his new york hotel. so who are the men and who specifically is that man right there. why is he connected to both donald trump and russia. plus, president trump blasting immigrants. what does he mean by breeding concept when he talk us about sanctuary cities? allergies with sinus congestion and pressure? you won t find relief here. go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d. while the leading allergy spray relieves 6 symptoms. claritin-d relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. claritin-d relieves more. what s going on? 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they very much deserved it right after what they did in the last election. and president obama put them in place and incoming president trump s national security adviser, general flynn, told them don t worry about it and don t respond too harshly. since the inception of his presidenc presidency, he hasn t been able to be tough on the russians. i would suggest it would be to counter their aggression here and abroad and what we re going to do to achieve that would be he has to finally directly confront putin. make sure impoe iing posing the sanctions and support the investigations in congress that look at what russia did and unite the country around hardening the ballot box. just having everyone this question to understand here. he was willing to do strikes, okay, against syria. and assad backed by the russians. he was willing to drop bombs on them. on assad in russia. against, against what russia wanted, right? and they were going to go have the sanctions. he said this himself when he addressed the country on friday night then changed his mind. willing to bomb, but not do he slough loves, imposin what congress has passed. he is just incapable of doing it. so when it comes to the russian investigation, you have warned repeatedly that trump could try to fire bob mueller or rod rosenstein. moments ago trump was asked about that speculation and he backed off of it. i want to play it. they have been saying i am going to get rid of them for the last four months, five months, and they are still here. we want to get the investigation over with, done with. and put it behind us. so he backed down. the other day it is we have to see. now it is they are the ones that is leaking it. i am not doing anything. does that dissuade your concerns. no. i don t trust him. if you are at home and writing your member of congress or tweeting your member of congress about the need to protect bob mueller. this is proof that it is working. keep it up if that is what you care about. i want to ask you about something he tweeted about, he said quote there is a revolution going on in california. so many sanctuary areas want out of this. jerry brown is trying to back out of the national guard. and the people are not happy and want security and safety now. so many sanctuary areas want out of this ridiculous crime infested and breeding concept. what do you think he was saying? 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clear after the president spoke. but there is no doubt the president would like to see this summit get back on track at some point, but it won t be on june 12th. jonathan karl starting us off tonight. jon, thank you. next, to that other major story we re following, breaking news about harvey weinstein. sources tell abc news he will turn himself in to new york city police tomorrow to face criminal charges related to alleged sexual assault. a stunning fall, seven months after those first reports that unleashed a flood of accusations and sparked a movement. here s abc s linsey davis. reporter: former hollywood heavyweight turned poster child for the me too movement, harvey weinstein, will turn himself in tomorrow and face criminal charges. weinstein has been under investigation by the manhattan district attorney s office for months, stemming from accusations of sexual misconduct by actresses lucia evans and paz de la huerta. evans says in 2004 weinstein forced her to perform a sexual act on him. and de la huerta says weinstein raped her in 2010. they are just two of the roughly 80 women who have accused the former film producer of rape, sexual assault or harassment. actress gwyneth paltrow, who is not part of the criminal complaint against weinstein, but has alleged he made a pass at her, detailed in an interview with howard stern that her then-boyfriend, brad pitt, threatened weinstein over the incident. it was like the equivalent of throwing him against the wall. he said, if you ever make her feel uncomfortable again, i ll kill you, or something like that. reporter: these would be the first criminal charges against weinstein. he s also under investigation in l.a., the uk and by federal prosecutors in this country. weinstein has said all along that he has not had nonconsensual sex with anyone. his defense attorney declined to comment today. and linsey davis joins us now. linsey, harvey weinstein is expected to appear in court tomorrow, and that s when we ll learn the exact charges? reporter: yes, tom. we won t know what the charges are until he appears before the judge tomorrow, but we already know that at least one of the accusations against him is rape, which could, of course, carry a significant amount of jail time. tom? linsey davis for us tonight. linsey, thank you. and another headline out of hollywood tonight, this time, involving allegations against morgan freeman. the oscar winner today apologizing to anyone who may may have felt, quote, uncomfortable or disrespected by his behavior. this comes after cnn reported that eight women claim he sexually harassed them on movie sets or in other professional settings. we do move on now to the next tropical storm threat this holiday weekend. the massive rainmaker that could become the first named storm of the hurricane season. parts of the south already under water, flash flooding here in little rock, arkansas. and th raging creek, take a look, in western georgia, after a foot of rain. and tonight, the forecast on how many hurricanes we could expect to see. abc s senior meteorologist rob marciano, tracking it all. and rob, we re starting strong. reporter: we are. not even hurricane season officially. this cluster of thunderstorms, you see it now off the coast of cancun, a 90% chance of it developing into a tropical cyclone here, likely over the weekend, as it gets into the gulf of mexico. more tranquil conditions there, we ll wind it up. heavy rain expected. unlikely to be a hurricane. something hybrid-y, but definitely a lot of rain, five inches likely through the weekend. kind of stalling, maybe more, through midweek, and likely some flooding, tom. and rob, we mentioned this earlier, they released their forecast for this year of hurricanes, and it s going to be a very active season. reporter: hopefully not as active as last season, but yeah, likely to be more active than usual. named storms, 10 to 16, hurricanes, anywhere from 5 to 9, noaa says. and major hurricanes, 1 to 4. can t say how many of those will impact land, but as we know, it only takes one, tom. just an outlook, but you re right. rob, thank you so much. next, to a horrible incident on a boulevard in tamp police say a mother pushing her child in a stroller wast by two cars racing on the street. the mom did not survive. and tonight, her little girl is clinging to life. here s abc s victor oquendo. reporter: tonight, this toddler, lillia, just 21 months old, is fighting for her life, after she and her mother were struck by a car, driven by a teenager, who police say was street racing. lillia s mother, 24-year-old jessica was killed. pedestrian bayshore and knights. stroller hit by a vehicle. reporter: this was the scene along tampa s busy bayshore boulevard, after mom and daughter were hit while crossing the street. lillia was in her stroller, now mangled. the community reeling. we re devastated. it s a tragic crash that didn t need to happen. reporter: in the arrest report, a witness says he saw two vehicles racing each other. police say 18-year-old cameron herrin was driving this black mustang with 20-year-old tristan herrin in the passenger seat, racing alongside 17-year-old john barrineau. the drivers, now out on bond, face felony charges. including vehicular homicide and reckless driving. tonight, a growing memorial at the site of the tragedy. the toddler is in critical condition tonight. a go fund me page has been set up for the family. the city of tampa now lowering the speed limit on the road where the crash happened. tom? an incredibly sad story. victor oquendo for us tonight. victor, thank you. next, from milwaukee, reaction of police body cam video of an nba player, sterling brown, in an incident that escalated from a parking violation. now police accuse brown of aggressive behavior. the video showing them taking him down, tasing and then arresting him. the police chief and the mayor have both apologized. and tonight, we hear from sterling brown for the first time. abc s alex perez is in milwaukee. taser, taser, taser! reporter: just one day after the release of that disturbing video showing tasing of sterling brown, the milwaukee bucks player sitting down for an exclusive interview with robin roberts, talking about that moment. and physically, mentally, being tasered like that, i mean, how did that impact you? it was a shock. it came out of nowhere. i tensed up instantly. emotionally, like, man, i just got tased. how you doing? got a driver s license? reporter: that confrontation with officers after he illegally parked his car outside a walgreens. i asked you to back up and you did not do it. reporter: in the police report, officers claim brown became very aggressive, but the video shows him calmly talking to officers when suddenly take your hands out of your pockets now! i ve got stuff in my hands, hold on. reporter: officers take him down and tase him. taser, taser, taser! any movement i make, they still you know, they got me pinned down, so, i couldn t really do nothing, so i m like, okay, stay calm, try to get out of this. try to get out of this situation. reporter: brown plans to file a lawsuit. the police chief here has condemned the actions of the officers involved. he says they have been disciplined, and he has apologized. tom? alex, thank you. and robin roberts will have much more of her exclusive interview with sterling brown first thing in the morning on good morning america. next, to a series of very unusual meetings in washington today, focused on president trump s unsubstantiated claim that the fbi inserted a spy into his campaign. the white house ordering the fbi and the justice department to open their classified records to members of congress, but democrats are raising concerns that white house officials were in those meetings. abc s chief justice correspondent pierre thomas has more. congressman, was there a spy? reporter: today, congressional leaders and senior members of the white house staff heading to the justice department for a classified briefing after president trump s unsubstantiated claim that the obama administration planted a spy in his 2016 campaign. we now call it spygate. reporter: he says it s starting to look like one of the biggest political scandals in u.s. history. but has provided no proof. the president s accusations triggered by a new york times report that an fbi informant questioned two trump campaign advisers about their contacts with russian operatives. the use of such informants is routine, and the times never mentioned anything about a spy inside the campaign. still, the president ordered justice department officials to brief republicans in congress. what i m doing is a service to this country. reporter: when the unusual briefings ended, republicans disappeared, not saying a word. but from democrats, this blunt assessment. nothing we heard today has changed our view that there is no evidence to support any allegation that the fbi or any intelligence agency placed a spy in the trump campaign. and pierre thomas joins us now from the justice department. and pierre, some democrats were very surprised to see white house chief of staff john kelly at the meetings, along with the new white house lawyer handling the russia investigation? 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reporter: but there s something else in his background that truly sets him apart. so, you were homeless? yes. reporter: for two years? yes. reporter: during middle school, richard got involved in mighty writers, an after school writers workshop for inner city kids. some people cry about it. tre was able to write about it here with mighty writers. it helped me gain a sense of confidence. reporter: he says kids used to bully him for trying hard at school. some people actually called me harvard back then, which is ironic, a little bit, because here i am. reporter: this fall, he s actually headed to harvard on a full scholarship. your mom must be so proud. my mom is crazy proud. she expected it, to be honest. reporter: from homeless to harvard. you nervous? i am kind of nervous. reporter: everybody is. everybody is. i would hope so, because i don t want to be the only one. reporter: bright future, indeed. david wright, abc news, philadelphia. so, tonight, we salute richard jenkins for 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and later, my conversation with senator kiersten gillibrand. but first we are following a wave of breaking news. rudy giuliani tells the new york times and nbc news robert mueller will seek to conclude his investigation into collusion with russia by september 1st. so far we have not heard anything from the special counsel ourselves. robert costa from the washington post reports an important asterisk. that deadline might hold true if the president sits for an interview. at the same time, president trump ordering the justice department to investigate an if in fib informant who was used in the early stages of the russia probe. the president tweeting, quote, i here by demand and will do so officially tomorrow that the department of justice look into whether or not the fbi/doj infiltrated or surveilled the trump campaign for political purposes. as for the president using the power of his office to intervene in an ongoing justice department investigation, maybe we shouldn t be too surprised. you look at the corruption at the top of the fbi, it s a disgrace. and our justice department, which i try and stay away from, but at some point i won t. looks like some point was today. we are also hearing tonight from the justice department as well to talk about all of this, i m going to bring in my panel with me on set. senior writer for politico and coauthor of the politico play book jake sherman. chief washington reporter and msnbc contributor kimberly atkins. former special assistant to the president and former spokesman for vice-president mark lauder. nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian. and joining us by phone is the new york times reporter michael schmidt who broke that story on the mueller probe time line. michael, you are with us, of course, by phone. i want to start with you. can you walk us through your conversation with rudy giuliani, what you learned about the time line going forward? we know that the trump administration had been saying they think it s time for this to be wrapped up. giuliani has had a series of meetings with mueller. in one of them two weeks ago, mueller s team volunteered this. they brought up this, and what giuliani said that date is an end marker. if the investigation goes beyond that point, if there were findings that come out after that, that is too close to the election. he calls that, quote-unquote, comey territory, referring to what happened during the 2016 election where comey had to make public statements before the votes were taken. and he giuliani very concerned about that and about the impact that could have on the president. he s trying to put a marker down about that september 1st date. did you get the sense that if, in fact, this, the investigation didn t conclude by the september 1 date, that mueller would simply put the investigation on hold or would he be making a commitment to not release any findings before the election in that intervening time, or is this a pledge that, no, all of our investigative activities have going to be finished by this day? well, it s a great question. who knows what could happen between now and then. other things that mueller may have to look at and what could delay this. but what folks say is regardless of what mueller does, it s a political decision. if he were to release something before the election, it certainly would have a political consequence. if he didn t, it would have a political consequence on the other end. it is such an important thing, such a big decision that no matter what he does, there will be an impact. what will mueller do? will he if he feels the president won t sit down, will he feel comfortable subpoenaing the president in the months before the election or would that be interfering too much with that? i don t know. michael, before i let you go, very quickly, i want to get you to weigh in on a story we are about to talk to the rest of the panel about, which is all of the news that broke about the doj and the fbi and the informant. does the department of justice feel right now as though they are under real serious pressure that could leave them in some real trouble? or do they view this as simply the president distracting with tweets? well, this seems to be the latest sort of fascinating dance that rod rosenstein has had to do in regards to balancing what the president wants and sort of following the rule of law. and in many of these cases, they have referred things to the inspector general as a way of showing that they re doing something, but not going so far as to open a criminal investigation. and this to me looks like rosenstein, once again trying to keep the president at bay, trying to keep house republicans that have been breathing down his neck off of him, by saying, look, we are going to do something. at the end of the day, the inspector general s investigation is a serious thing, but it is not nearly as serious as a criminal investigation so it is not the full mounting. michael submit, thank you for your time tonight. we ll be following your reporting. as michael was just talking about and we had started to delve into this conversation about the department of justice and they have now asked the inspector general to expand their current review in the wake of the president s tweet request. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein releasing this statement saying, quote, if anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action. it is worth remembering this tough talk rosenstein had a few weeks ago about some republicans impeachment threats against him. i can tell you there were people who have been making threats privately and publicly against me for quite sometime. and i think they should understand by now, the department of justice is not going to be stoextorted. we re going to do the rule of law. any threats anybody makes is not going to affect the way we do our job. so, ken dilanian, you have been spending probably far too much of your weekend reporting on this story, but we very much appreciate it. i m hoping that you can kind of cut through what has been i think a very confusing thing for people to try to sort through here. the department of justice clearly coming under incredible pressure now from the sitting president. what do you make of the statement, the fact that the department of justice and rosenstein himself came out, felt that they had to respond to it, and in what context would you put the degree of significance? i think this is a very shrewd move by rod rosenstein because who can argue with is that statement? of course they should take a look and see whether anything was inappropriate about this placement of an informant. it s a huge deal. let s not kid ourselves. the idea that first, trump said there was a spy in the campaign. that s not what happened. clearly there was an informant who went to talk to americans who worked for a presidential campaign sent by the fbi, potentially other intelligence agencies. that is a major deal. it is perfectly important for the inspector general to scrutinize that. can you imagine the levels of approval that would have taken, the attorney general of the united states to make that happen? they re critical about the steps they take. the reason is they were deeply concerned about potential russian infiltration over members of the trump campaign. that s what this investigation is about and that s what we ll find at the end of the day a. were they looking for or did they feel they had evidence of criminal wrongdoing on the parts of these people in the campaign? we don t know the answer to that but let s remember this began as a counter intelligence investigation, not a criminal investigation. really what they were trying to figure out is were the russians exercising improper influence over any of these people? were these agents agents of a foreign power which has its own definition of law and allows for its own kind of surveillance. one of the techniques they do is they send informants to talk to people and potentially record their conversations and see if they re going to incriminate themselves. and have we, to our current public historical knowledge, have we ever seen anything like this before in history sfla no, i don t think we have. there is no precedent we know of for this happening, and it speaks to the level of significance of this investigation. but what i also find amazing is the fbi let voters go to the polls in this election without disclosing that they had suspicions that some members of the trump team were agents of a foreign power. that s a decision that will go down in history and will be debated for years to come. yeah, of course in the context of them talking more than they normally do about the hillary clinton investigation. mark lauder, i want to talk to jake sherman about how some of this came out vis-a-vis the house and their pressure, but from the administration s perspective, i realize you re not there day to day any more, but in your conversations with people that you worked with, what is the sense behind the scenes in the white house of how significance this is? obviously we re dealing with a new cycle where the president tweets and we rocket from one thing to the next to the next. this strikes me as something that potentially has a bigger, more lasting as ken pointed out historical significance. how angry are the white house and aides about this? the president is frustrated about it rightfully so. from an anger standpoint, i think they re sharing the just the sheer shock of the matter like many of the american people that the fbi used a foreign someone who is connected to the intelligence community, both the american and british intelligence communities sent them in to spy on the trump campaign and that is something we have never seen before. and it s at a historic level and something concerning. jake sherman, let s talk about how some of this has come about because of mark meadows has, and company, have gone to war with rod rosenstein and have been pressuring the department of justice on a whole host of things. and to our knowledge the speaker, paul ryan, seems to be going along with it. there had been some pull back when it seemed as though the white house was willing to try and protect sources and methods. but that clearly has blown up now. yeah, it s really fascinating you kind of have a trio of republicans, devin nunes, mark meadows and jim jordan who have been beating the drum very loudly on capitol hill. even when it seems like the white house wants to play it cautiously and wants to play it carefully and the president is definitely receiving counsel that he ought to play it carefully, you have these three guys that have the president s ear, especially meadows and jordan and nunes who is close to the speaker of the house paul ryan who has been his friend almost two decades. so, it helps in the sense that he has this back up. he has this kind of echo chamber that will go on tv, these three guys who will go on tv and say what he wants them to say and kind of i think helps spur them along a little bit. kimberly atkins, you ve been reporting on this all day. what are you learning from your sources behind the scenes at the white house? it s unclear. we don t know what the president means by this tweet. we don t know if he s going to ask for some sort of formal criminal probe or whether this i.g. report that deputy director rosenstein said he would undergo would be enough. we don t know if this is just because it s sunday and he was home and had a lot of executive time and he was angry about this, or if this could lead to some sort of constitutional crisis tomorrow if he asks deputy attorney general rosenstein to do something that he doesn t want to do, and perhaps it leads to the sort of a new saturday night massacre, monday morning massacre, if you will. so people are waiting to see exactly what this means. there is still a lot of unknowns, but there is a lot of concern that this could be a big deal. ken dilanian, the president seemed to have some of his facts not totally right on friday when he was tweeting about this. at least that s what i talked to several white house officials over the weekend who essentially said that, wow, okay, parts of the tweets that were not 100% on point, that the president clearly understood the overall implication of this. do we have any indication how the president learned about this? was it just news reports? was it some other way? we ve also been doing some reporting on our team about rand paul talking about the cia and all of this. i mean, where do the facts stop and we tip over into that s a good question. we don t have clarity. we know devin nunes has been trying to get some of this information from the justice department. he s in a fight with them. he wants the name of the informant. the justice department has been resisting that. at the same time you have news reporting going on including by me. i published a story on friday about a professor who fits the profile of the person the times and the post later, hours later named as the informant. our story says we aren t saying this guy is the informant, we haven t confirmed he s the informant. there are people talking around this investigation about various people who met with george papadopoulos and carter page and who those people thought were suspicious encounters. so, it s not clear how donald trump knew, but it s not surprising that this is coming out. we are just getting started tonight. still to come, inside another meeting that donald trump, jr. had at trump tower and that is also raising eyebrows. plus, we ll talk about stalled efforts to improve school safety and gun safety when former secretary of education arne duncan joins me exclusively. plus the house passed major sexual misconduct legislation. why is the senate dragging its feet in bringing those sweeping changes? my conversation with senator kiersten gillibrand. kasie d.c. back right after this. uhp. i didn t believe it. again. ooh, baby, do you know what that s worth? i want to believe it. 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and there were briefings given to the trump campaign about counter intelligence threats and what who you should and shouldn t meet with. but, look, this is a hugely significant development in this story, i think, kasie, because what we have here essentially is two additional very wealthy and powerful countries that appear to have tried to influence the american election. whether crimes were committed or not, and mueller is investigating that. and there is a question as to whether the saudis and the marauders were working with the russians because there are long-standing ties between the nati nations and their intelligence services. look at what the saudis and emirates have gotten from the trump election. siding with them in the dispute against qatar, the saudi leader puts his enemies in the ritz karld t carl ton. they said little about t. this is going to come into play. this is a hard story for people to understand, but as it permeates the consciousness we ll realize what a significant development this is. mark, how do you explain what ken is talking about here? i look at it as it looks like a company that was obviously affiliated with foreign interests pitched an idea to the campaign about influencing social media. shouldn t the campaign have called the fbi or at least let somebody know or know not to take meetings like that? i mean, let s set aside the uae for a second. ken s good point. this is still an israeli social media specialist saying i ll build these tools for you to help you win. it seems like on its face that s illegal. you get these requests from just about every political consultant. would you have taken that meeting? would you have advised the vice-president i would not have taken that meeting. that s my decision to not do that. right. you know, i think this is just trying to make connections and but having worked in politics for many years, you would have, had you gotten this request, you feel as though you would have felt it was suspicious and something perhaps that would be ill-advised? i can t speak to that. i probably would have not taken the meeting. if i did, i probably would have taken their multi-million dollar idea and gone to my american digital company and said, what do you think of this and what can we do with it to make it work through the proper channels? but so, i don t make a lot of this. when it comes to the connections ken was talking about some of the actions there are very real reasons why a lot of these things were done with uae, with saudi arabia, the decisions that were made. they ve been very supportive of getting out of the iran deal, which the president was strong on saying that. so i think while we can try to make connections that are broader, i think when you look at the actual policy decisions that have been made, the president has been very clear for why he made the decisions that he s made. it has nothing to do with a meeting in august of 2016 with a couple of business projects in mind. ken dilanian, we have to go here. i m going to let you go for the evening, but very quickly, of all of the news that s broken out the last three days, what do you think is the development we are still going to be talking about that will be the most significant? i actually think the informant issue because it s so historically significant as we discussed. it shows the lengths to which the fbi was going to investigate this. some people will criticize it, some people will praise it. it s a meaningful development, kasie. ken dilanian, appreciate your insights. just ahead, education secretary arne duncan said students should stay home from school until gun laws are changed. he joins me live. that s up next. it s just a burst pipe, i could fix it. 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they were like, they don t know. then after that we heard more shots and the teacher screamed at us to run. so, everyone started running, taking offer. i heard four more shots. i jumped the students fence and ran to the car wash. some girl got shot in the kneecap apparently and she was limping towards us. we were scared for our lives. nobody should go through this. nobody who feel that in school. this is the place we re supposed to feel safe. those were just a few of the heart breaking recollections of friday s mass shooting at santa fe high school in texas. ten people, eight students and two teachers, were killed when a 17-year-old gunman opened fire. the state department confirmed yesterday that among the victims was sabika, a pakistani exchange student. here s one of her classmates describing the last time she saw her. we ran into the classroom. sabika were with me. other people couldn t make it in the room. we closed the doors. she was coming into the class that we were in so we all ran. i didn t see her. i didn t look back and see her behind me running. all i know, last time i saw her. sabika was just 17 years old. jake sherman, we are having this conversation yet again this year. and nothing in the wake of all of the shootings we have sat here and discussed, nothing has happened in the congress. and it seems as though that s likely what s going to happen again. yeah, that s right. but i will say i do notice, and you probably notice this, too, but there is a sentiment among republican members of congress, i think it s a creeping sentiment that they are on the wrong side of this. so many republicans have told me off the record that they are worried that they are losing a generation of voters who are growing up in these in this climate where school shootings are regular. that no one that i ve spoken to on capitol hill there were a few who believe there is really no one that believes arming teachers is a solution to this. there s no federal there s no way congress will pass anything like that. so, what do you do? and i think that s the question a lot of republicans are grappling with. i had one republican tell me, i think it was on the record, but i ll leave it off the record out of an abundance of caution. if trump took a consistent position on this which is we need to do something and here s what i want to do, it would it could get through congress. i think that people are waiting for that and he s gotten close to that line, but then walks it back and goes in another direction. the last time he tagsled tck this, he went too far and it spooked people who support gun rights. i want to show our viewers, to your point, about the sentiment on this issue changing. here was the republican governor of texas talking about the shooting. take a look. we need to do more than just pray for the victims and their families. it s time in texas that we take action to step up and make sure this tragedy is never repeated ever again. mark lauder, that s language that democrats have been using more often than republicans. but this is the second time we ve seen governor rick scott in florida, also republican, do the same thing. and then the question is what do you do? saying we need to do something, but you need to identify what it is that you re going to do. because if we re talking about the proposals following the tragedy in parkland, none of those things would have stopped the tragedy in santa fe because it wasn t a semiautomatic or an assault rifle. it wasn t not something a background check would have caught because this is a teenager who it was illegal for him to have a gun. he got them from his father or took them from his father who legally obtained them. it s illegal to saw off a shotgun. it s illegal to take a gun on a school. none of those laws stopped this and so what can we do? is the question. i think republicans are struggling with a broader picture here. they are struggling with the influence of the nra and the growing sentiment among young people that the gun culture in our country needs to change. and while for a long time the nra support has sustained them in a very appreciable way, they are understanding there is a ground swell of change and they re trying to sort of seems, trying to moderator move their message a little bit. i don t think that the changes are going to happen in congress or even in the state houses. it s going to happen with the culture of the country and if the republicans find themselves on the wrong side of that, they ll have big problems for a long time. to talk more about this, i want to bring in former education secretary under president obama, arne duncan. secretary dunk an also served as the ceo of chicago public schools. now he s managing partner at the emerson collective. mr. secretary, it s nice to see you tonight. thank you for your time. good evening. thanks so much for having me. let s start where we left this conversation off. you are pushing for and you can explain this as well students to essentially say, i m not going to back to school unless i feel safe. do you think it s at the point where the ground swell might be enough politically because it s affecting such a wide array of students of children in america that there could be significant changes on something that s been so calcified here in washington? well, i think we have to create a tension that hasn t existed yet. only that kind of creative tension can push people to confront an issue they ve been able to run away from, hide from so long. there is a fork in the road as a nation. either this body count, this loss of life, the killing of innocent children is acceptable or it s not. if we decide it s unacceptable, then we have to do some things we have never done before because everything done to this point has been a failure, has been ineffective. it s time to think much more radically. time to do things differently if we want to breakthrough and make not just our children, but every citizen of america much safer than they are today. so, what should be done? i mean, one of our panelists has raised the point, every time something like this happens, legislation is proposed that is often targeted to change a database or ban a bump stock. but at the end of the day, those measures in the most recent extreme we have dealt with would not have stopped in this particular situation. if even those small changes can t get through, i mean, how is it possible that something more sweeping could be done? well, again, we have to be much more radical than we ever have so we can t just keep doing the same things. so, teachers have walked out and had strikes to raise pay which is absolutely the right thing to do. our young people led by florida have walked out. it s time for us as parents, it s time for us to step out. we re failing to protect our children and say enough is enough. something has to happen. and you think about, again, it s a radical idea, it s controversial. it is intentionally provocative. you think about as we go back to school after labor day with the november election right behind that, what if the young people were to say, we re not going back to school, what if young people and their parents would work together to try to get major legislation passed. if it works, fantastic. if it doesn t, hold those elected officials accountable. we have to do something so different than we have other ever done if we expect different results. what would you propose the legislation should include that could stop these things? it s very simple. again, it s not going to stop every shooting. your point is well taken. there are some basic things that are wildly supported across the political spectrum today. criminal background checks, banning weapons of war, assault weapons, putting money into the impact of gun violence research behind that. those are things that are universally backed that would be so effective in reducing many, many shootings. i have to say i get so frustrated people say we should harden schools. here s my question, here s my retort to that. how do we harden recess? how do we harden dismissal time? how do we harden bus trips? tougher question. how do we harden summer? places like right here in chicago where we see violence is way too high, we can t do that. we have to do something practical about guns, about the easy availability of guns. the united states has 4% of the population and 42% of guns. the level of violence, the left of heart break, the level of tragedy is directly proportional to the universal access to gnun to anyone who wants them. are there school safety measures you would support or urge democrats to support? for instance proposals about fewer entrances, other basic things that have been applied to our airports and other places? yeah, that s all taken around the mar jintgins. let me be clear. more than 99.7% of people killed by guns last year were not in schools. so, we can talk about school safety, but we have to talk about movie theaters. we have to talk about concerts. we have to talk about malls. we have to talk about people who are worshipping in church. we have to talk about congressmen who are playing baseball on a baseball field. so, all of that, again, is just minor. it s tinkering. it s almost a smoke screen. we have to look at the real issue. and i will say that our young people led by students from parkland, florida, south and west sides of chicago, june 15th are going to start to lead a march, going to start to fan out across the country. do voter registration. do town halls. our young people hopefully coupled, partnered with us as parents have to step up, take the country in a radically different way. this level of carnage, this level of heart break is unacceptable. it just cannot continue. we have to do something radically different as a country. and we are, of course, already seeing heightened voter registrati registration numbers among young people. thank you for your time tonight. really appreciate it. thank you. just ahead, states of play pits two staceys against each other in georgia. going to take you inside the jaw-dropping race for governor when we come back. uhp. i didn t believe it. again. ooh, baby, do you know what that s worth? 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well, they represent a test of competing strategies in georgia. stacy evans is more of a conventional democratic strategy in georgia. she s going after moderate suburban independent voters who used to be democrats, who steadily fled to the republican party. she thinks by leveraging trump and appealing about the hope scholarship which is a popular lottery funded scholarship in georgia she can start winning them over. stacy abrams says that is a recipe for disaster. the last four democratic candidates for governor tried the same approach and failed. she is hoping to energize a new generation of left-leaning voters many of them minorities who rarely cast ballots in these elections by trying to appeal to them on a left leaning platform and someone who would be the first female black governor in the u.s. history. greg, i want to show our viewers a little part of that debase that you moderated. here s one of the questions from today. your opponent argued your strategy in this campaign is all wrong, that you are not working to convert the right voters, and then there is that whisper campaign that suggests that statewide georgia will not elect a single african-american female as governor. how do you respond to those attacks? i don t think my skin color, my marital status or my background other than the background of being someone who has worked hard to serve georgia for the last 11 years should be the deciding factor. the bottom line is this. i am the most qualified candidate, democrat or republican, running for this office. so, some dog whistling there about her marital status and, you know, this potential question that the democratic party is grappling with broadly we heard bernie sanders talking about at the beginning of our segment which is to say if they nominate somebody who is farther to the left, can a, basically red, maybe turning purple state like georgia elect somebody like that statewide? what s your take? that s the big question because on the republican side there is a five-man field and they are being drawn even further right than what we re seeing in georgia. there is always a race to the right in georgia politics in the republican primary. this is a very far race to the right. there is a question of who can appeal to those candidates in the center. who can sort of answer that goldilocks problem come november. and it s happening on both sides because the democratic candidates are also being drawn to the left. again, we have had generation, at least a generation of centrist sounding democratic candidates who run as nra democrats, pro gun. now for the first time both democratic candidates stacy evans and stacy abrams are calling vocally for gun control. jimmy carter s grandson cast himself as an nra democrat. i was going to say most of our viewers remember the last democrat or one of the democrats on the national stage jimmy carter. let s talk about the republicans. i m glad you brought it up because in the closing days of this race, a number of republican candidates have been focusing on illegal immigration. i m brian kemp. i m so conservative i blow up government spending. i own guns that no one s taking away. my chainsaw is ready to rip up some regulation. i got a big truck just in case i need to round up criminal illegals and take them home myself. yep, i just said that. brian kemp just said that. offering a truck to deal with illegal immigration. candidate michael williams, not to be outdone, upped the ante with a bus. a deportation bus, seen here experiencing engine trouble on the side of the highway. and here is michael williams in an interview with reporter doug richards from nbc s atlanta affiliate 11 alive. please note, his press flag off to the side. you re not breaking the law? what s there to be scared of? are you scared of it? so, if i saw this bus coming through and i was an immigrant, would you see that as being provocative? no, absolutely not. this country was based upon immigration. we wouldn t have america if it wasn t for lawful legal immigration. so, the issue isn t immigrants or legal immigration. it s those coming to our country with complete disreexpect for our laws coming here illegally. what about color? i don t care [ bleep ]. is it color? i did say color. i don t care what color you are. clearly. i m going to have to bleep you out. no, no, the back of the bus says mexico, right? okay, carry on. doesn t the back of the bus say mexico? is this interview going to bleep your own bias, i have to feel that s where we re going. is that the case? i m asking reasonable questions of your candidate. chop it all up. reasonable is not asking about color. yes, it is. it is reasonable to ask about color when how? because the back of the bus says mexico on it so you re talking about particular types of immigrants. the majority of our illegal immigrants seth, i don t know why you and i argue. doug richards, our political reporter. we should know that gentleman, michael williams, is very far back in the polls. mark lauder, i would like to ask you is this clearly these candidates are chasing president trump and his rhetoric on immigration. but is this a healthy future path for the republican party, especially if in these primaries these candidates keep getting pushed so far on this issue? primaries generally push the voters to the extremes in both parties. that seems like a pretty pushing to the extreme. deportation bus. what i would tell you, the leading candidates from what i understand are focusing on an economic message. while they are showing their support for the president, georgia is a very economically diverse state. it s successful. there is a message to keep that going especially with the national economy right now. obviously you ve got candidates from the outside who are trying to get themselves a bump to the polls here at the last minute. not sure on either side it s going to work. greg lucine, do you have a prediction for how your election is going to play out? brian kemp, you saw his first commercial, he put that million dollars behind that commercial and another provocative commercial. the poll got him into second place. he might be the front runner for the number two spot in the runoff, so, you know, one of my colleagues who wrote a column saying basically deportation bus for michael williams might not be going forward, but the deportation truck will still be rolling through the summer. so, i don t think we ve heard the last of brian kemp. greg, i m looking forward to your reporting the next week. kimberly atkins, mark lauder, thank you. just ahead, kiersten gillibrand and ted cruz are sponsors of a bill that can t get a vote in the senate. my sit-down with the senator from new york up next. but not so much about what market volatility may do to their retirement savings. that s because they have a shield annuity from brighthouse financial, which allows them to take advantage of growth opportunities in up markets, while maintaining a level of protection in down markets. so they can focus on new things like exotic snacks. talk with your advisor about shield annuities from brighthouse financial- established by metlife. 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i m not sure. i m working with a bipartisan group of senators right now who are trying to negotiate a final resolution to get a bill on the vote and vote for it as early as next week. there might be people out there that look at this and says if someone is elected to congress and sexually harasses someone, they should have to pay the money out of their own pockets, not the taxpayers. exactly. that s what the bill does. it would be the only thing appropriate in these circumstances. you need to hold the members of congress if they re harassing people in their office. this has come to the forefront this year, most recently the attorney general in your state stepping down. you also called for senator al franken to step down, you took significant backlash for that. do you have any regrets? no. sometimes these cases come with people you have trusted and maybe loved, but you have to be able to have clarity on this, even when it s hard. especially when it s hard. that s why we need transparency accountability with regard to our attorney general he did do the right thing stepping down. but those allegations of violence were horrific. so we need a full and complete investigation. one question this has raised for a lot of at least democratic women i ve talked to who work in and around campaigns is sometimes they feel their politicians run and their sometimes their male politicians have, in schneiderman s case, he backed the me too movement. said this is something i want to fight against. and you find out that conduct is still being carried out. do you think the democratic as a whole needs to do soul searching. the question comes down to do we value women? if we don t, we won t take these cases seriously. we have to hold people accountable and i ve been looking on changing the rolls in all institutions. if you can t hold the favored, the powerful accountable, then you re not going to be able to stick up for that woman who may never be in a place she can call out her perpetrator. the me too movement is really just the beginning. we have to fix the problems we have where it s built to protect perpetrators, congress is that. what do you say to people who look at this and say she s running for president in 2020. this is something i ve worked on each in institution that prey on women and don t value them. i ve been working on it in all of these contexts on a bipartisan basis for many years. hillary clinton, obviously, failed to crack the glass ceiling first in 2008 and then in 2016, do you think a woman could get elected in 2020? without a doubt. i think what hillary clinton accomplished inspired women worldwide to say i can run for the toughest job and ask women and girls to strive for their ambition and the leaderships and opportunities they should take. my thanks to senator kirsten gillibrand for that conversation. when we come back, ben wittes joins us to talk about president trump s attempt to force the issue of with the doj. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it. this is bill s yard. and bill has a no-weeds, not in my yard policy. but with scotts turf builder weed & feed, bill has nothing to worry about. it kills weeds and greens grass, guaranteed. this is a scotts yard. the kayak explore tool shows you the places you can fly on your budget. so you can be confident you re getting the most bang for your buck. alo-ha. kayak. search one and done. with dell small businessout your technology advisors you get the one-on-one partnership you need to grow your business. the dell vostro 15 laptop. contact a dell advisor today. no matter when you retire, ensure you still have income