Of nato territory because east wieland was sorry westville in the middle of the territory that was controlled by the soviets. we were able to essentially say, we re not going to extend territorial defence guarantee to that portion of germany or at least not to the other part of germany that was east germany, so there will workarounds. i think in the age we should be able to say the parts of ukraine of ukraine that ukrainian government controls on this day of the summit, those parts of ukraine should enter nato as ukraine sovereign state, the rest of it can be negotiated later. state, the rest of it can be negotiated later. what would that look like that look like if certain parts of ukraine s current territory are able to join nato and russia then inaudible because we know a war is unpredictable? if it enters into those areas
Negotiations with the ukraine and working with ukraine to figure out what are the conditions necessary, what are the requirements nato needs to undertake to make sure the article five extension is credible. when you do that you can indicate ukrainians they will be in, they deserve that today. equally important you communicate to the russians, ukraine is off the table, critical to convincing the russians that the hegemonic aspirations of vladimir putin are unattainable and wasteful. evelyn and your peace you have written about nato membership of ukraine, you talk about nato membership being offered to ukraine now, and we know nato members have agreed that at the moment that is not possible because the war is going on and president biden said in an interview earlier this this week this would mean the us is at war with russia? what do you think of that? i at war with russia? what do you think of that? think of that? i don t think it would mean think of that? i don t think it would mean the think of that? i don t think it would mean the us - think of that? i don t think it would mean the us is - think of that? i don t think it would mean the us is at - think of that? i don t think it would mean the us is at war with russia, we had a president during the cold war granted there was not ongoing fighting, we had east bill in the middle
Its heels country like turkey which dug its heels and against sweden joining its heels and against sweden joining nato until the last minute, saying, of its own volition minute, saying, of its own volition president erdogan said. volition president erdogan said, ukraine should become a member said, ukraine should become a member of nato. ian is correct, the mood member of nato. ian is correct, the mood is member of nato. ian is correct, the mood is very different from a year the mood is very different from a year ago the mood is very different from a year ago and firmly in sopport a year ago and firmly in support of ukraine. | a year ago and firmly in support of ukraine. i want to ask ou support of ukraine. i want to ask you both support of ukraine. i want to ask you both because - support of ukraine. i want to ask you both because you . support of ukraine. i want to l ask you both because you have both written about the fact you would support ukraine s membership in nato. i want to ask you about something we have seen from max boot, he wrote an op edin seen from max boot, he wrote an op ed in the washington post with the headline, ukraine and they take my heart says yes. but my head says no. that was the headline on the screen, he makes a few arguments as to why ukraine should notjoin nato including the argument of ukraine is granted a date to join nato, russia would continue to prolong the war, what do you think of that? i think quite the opposite, max is a brilliant guy but in this case fundamentally wrong. the lesson we have learned over the last three decades countries
What ukraine wants is a seat at nato s table, membership of the club, and why? because of nato s mutual defence clause, which means an attack against one member is seen as an attack against all of them. after a ceasefire, says kyiv, that is the way to stop moscow ever thinking of invading again, but here, nato allies are divided. baltic states like lithuania, hosting today s summit, border russia and fear it. ukraine should join nato sooner rather than later, they all say. we also owe it to the ukrainians, because they are fighting there so that the british, estonians, americans don t have to fight with russia. but the us and germany are more hesitant. they fear direct conflict with russia, if ukraine joins nato any time soon. this is not a competition, who is at what moment at what point. the most important thing is that we are all increasing
The invitation will be issued when conditions are met. this is not the picture of absolute unity nato was hoping for at its summit, which leaders here know vladimir putin is watching closely from moscow. this is ukraine today. ravaged by war, a year and a half into russia s full scale invasion. fighting to keep its independence, and defend wider european security, it says. arriving in vilnius for the nato summit the prime minister said all allies should up defence spending. priorities for this summit are to strengthen that alliance, so that we face the threats of the future and protect ourselves adequately against them, but also to continue supporting ukraine. the government has announced a big increase in production of nato standard artillery shells in the uk. ukraine needs the tools to push russia back. kyiv is grateful, but wants more.
Russia has chosen to enter into war with the united states. that is my point, the president thinks we would enter into war with russia if ukraine gets into nato, that is not the case, if you make it clear where the russians are attacking today and fighting with ukrainians, they will not enter nato, and i will concede that this is a tricky issue, to slice at. my point is that ukraine deserves this and we should be giving it a serious look. i know it is controversial so realistically, i would be happy if we just said ukraine can be a member at the next nato summit. that also is ian said would help because it would not only signal to the russians but i think would be important to motivate us to support ukraine and get this well done faster. because we have been slow and we have not given ukraine everything it needs at the right time. if we are motivated to meet that deadline, that will also be helpful. ii deadline, that will also be hel ful. deadline, that will also be helful. .., deadline, that will also be helful. ., ., .,
On defence and economic priorities. separately, the us state department said washington would go ahead with the sale of f 16 fighter jets to turkey. earlier, i discussed all this with evelyn farkas, former deputy assistant secretary of defence for russia, ukraine, and eurasia and ian brzezinski, former deputy secretary of defence for europe and nato policy. what did you make of the rift we saw in vilnius on tuesday? i do not think it is a big rift nato, there is an exaggeration of that, so far and we still have another eight to go the summit has been successful for the alliance, it has got swing over the hurdle to become the next nato member the 32nd member, that locks in the baltic sea it strengthens nato stop mcsween. they are taking steps to reinforce the eastern frontier and demonstrating unanimity and support to help ukraine defeat the russian
Our military support for ukraine. tonight, ukraine s president was given a seat at nato s table. ..for dinner at least. the spat over membership aside, this relationship is close. katya adler, bbc news, vilnius. president biden met one on one with turkey s president tayyip erdogan on the sidelines of the summit. there was little mentioned about turkey s agreement allowing sweden tojoin nato, but mr biden did congratulate his counterpart on the critical deal. the two leaders focused on strengthening ties between the countries, with mr erdogan saying a new process had been initiated. in the meeting, the presidents discussed efforts to strengthen bilateral cooperation building on previous talks for the countries to work together strategically. they covered regional issues of shared diplomatic interest, which includes their commitment to support ukraine both militarily in theirwaragainst russia, preserving stability in the aegean region which included exchanging views
That are not in nato tends to get attacked by russia, the case with georgia and ukraine twice now, if you look at the baltics, far more vulnerable than ukraine they have not been touched because they have the security from nato membership. we have left ukraine in a grey zone too long of european security, grey zones attract violence and aggression, they have catalysed food s hegemonic aspirations into violence, twice now, so we should learn that we should be moving decisively to eliminate these grey zones with european security. grey zones with european security- grey zones with european security. how to do that if there was security. how to do that if there was a security. how to do that if there was a time - security. how to do that if there was a time like - security. how to do that if there was a time like this | security. how to do that if. there was a time like this it wouldn t that give russia the ability to prolong the war as long as possible to prevent ukraine from joining nato? you ukraine from “oining nato? you do not have ukraine fromjoining nato? you do not have to ukraine fromjoining nato? you do not have to get ukraine from joining nato? wi, do not have to get tied into timelines you have two demonstrate ukrainians and russians that ukraine will unambiguously get into the alliance, you look for a process, a process involving
Helpful. if i could add to that oint, helpful. if i could add to that point. what helpful. if i could add to that point, what you helpful. if i could add to that point, what you could - helpful. if i could add to that point, what you could do - helpful. if i could add to that point, what you could do is l helpful. if i could add to that l point, what you could do is say ukraine point, what you could do is say ukraine will cede to nato at a certain ukraine will cede to nato at a certain point at that time, nato s certain point at that time, nato s article five would only extend nato s article five would only extend to the territory ukraine controls extend to the territory ukraine controls. it would then be the ball would be in russia s court ball would be in russia s court. right now based on the performance of the russian military performance of the russian military it would not want to strike military it would not want to strike allied forces. other news. a us grand jury assembled in georgia is set to consider evidence against ex president donald trump over efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the grand jury, based in atlanta, may decide whether mr trump should face criminal charges for trying to overturn his narrow loss in the state. trump has denied wrongdoing, calling the case a witch hunf. a michigan jury found that a 2014 document discovered in aretha franklin s couch after her death is a valid will. the today trial pitted the queen of soul s children against each other, arguing over two handwritten wills. this ends a nearly five year legal fight over the star s multi million dollar future. the us marine corps is leaderless for the first