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State of the Union With Jake Tapper-20191124-17:15:00

itself is not really a conservative justice or court, merely a partisan one. and i have to hope that that's not the case for the country's sake. >> so john bolton's lawyer says that bolton knows about, quote, many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed in the testimonies thus far. do you know what he's talking about? has your committee been in touch with john bolton and his lawyer? >> we've certainly been in touch with his lawyer. and what we've been informed by his lawyer, because we invited him to come in and he did not choose to come in and testify, notwithstanding the fact that his deputy, fiona hill and his other deputy, colonel vindman and tim morris and others in the national security counsel have shown the courage to come in is if we subpoena him, they will sue us in court. now, we will have to explain one day if he maintains that position why he wanted to wait to put it in a book instead of telling the american people what he knew when it really mattered to the country. >> although it sounds like you're saying that there is the

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State of the Union With Jake Tapper-20191124-17:14:00

presuming that you impeach the president, the house democrats vote to impeach the president, it goes to the senate. chief justice john roberts presides and he could, theoretically, compel john bolton and others to testify. i've heard that as a legal theory, as to why you're doing it that way. is there any merit to that? >> i think there's certainly merit to the idea that we may get a quicker ruling from a chief justice in a senate trial if it ever came to that, than we would get by going months and months on end, litigating the matter. there's no guarantee of that, but i think that it's entirely possible. ultimately, though, one thing is clear, because we have induced so much evidence of guilt of this president, so much evidence of serious misconduct, any privilege the president would have would be vitiated by this crime fraud exception. so that will give way. and if it doesn't, to quote my colleague chairman nadler, it will mean that either justice roberts or the supreme court

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State of the Union With Jake Tapper-20191124-17:06:00

because if we do, it's basically carte blanche for this president and anyone who comes after him, but are we also prepared to say that congress will tolerate the complete stonewalling of an impeachment inquiry or our oversight, because if we do, it will mean that the impeachment clause is a complete nullity and more than that, our oversight ability is really an ability in name only. >> but if that's your view and you've also said that this week's testimony, quote, goes right to the heart of the issue of bribery, and you've also said that what you've seen is, quote, far more serious than what nixon did, explain to me how you have not come to the conclusion that the president should be impeached? i mean, it sounds like he should be impeached. >> well, i certainly think that the evidence that's been produced overwhelmingly shows serious misconduct by the president. but i do want to hear more from my constituents and i want to hear more from my colleagues. this is not a decision i'll be making alone. but at the end of the day, this is a decision about whether the

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State of the Union With Jake Tapper-20191124-17:01:00

and the founders didn't want. >> can president trump do no wrong in today's gop? k i'll speak to republican congressmen lee zeldin next. plus, cash is king. former mayor mecklenbuichael bl oppose his wallet preparing to spend tens of thousands on campaign ads. >> that's a lot of dough. >> he's being accused of trying to buy the nomination. but could it work? hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is looking ahead. house democrats appear to be moving forward in their impeachment inquiry after two weeks of historic public testimony on capitol hill. the clear picture that has emerged, the trump administration was pushing ukraine for political investigations while holding up military aid and a white house meeting that ukraine wanted. a key witness, ambassador gordon sondland, testified that when it came to withholding the white house meeting in exchange for the biden investigation, quote,

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State of the Union With Jake Tapper-20191124-17:04:00

sondland explained, no, big stuff that helps him personally like this biden investigation that giuliani wants. some conversations really tell it all. and that is the story of this presidency. what matters to donald trump is what matters to him personally and politically. the rest, our national security, our allies, none of that matters compares to what this president thinks is good for him. >> so those are the three moments in your view that are most important. you have no public testimony scheduled that we know of. your committee has begun running the report. so is that it? are there going to be anymore hearings, feanymore witnesses, are you done? >> we don't foreclose the possibility of more depositions and more hearings. we're in the process of getting more documents all the time. that investigative work will go on. what we're not prepared to do is wait months and months while the administration plays a game of rope-a-dope in an effort to try to stall. we're not willing to go down that road. and what's more, the evidence is already overwhelming. the remarkable thing about this, and we've done this with almost -- well, literally, no

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State of the Union With Jake Tapper-20191124-17:10:00

state pompeo or former national security adviser john bolton, or the president's attorney, rudy giuliani. now, i understand you would welcome their testimony, you've asked for their testimony and they have not given it. "the new york times" editorial board, hardly a trump-supporting organ, said this week that it's a, quote, mistake, not to call anymore witnesses, saying it's essential to hear from key figures in the process, quote, should not be rushed. and yet you're not going to go to court to compel them, because you say, it's rope-a-dope, it's going to take too much time? is that a principle, the idea it's going to take too much time as opposed to, look, there are three branches of government. here's the legislative branch doing oversight of the executive branch. guess what, the judicial branch gets to weigh in, as well. >> "the new york times" piece was interesting in two respects. first, they acknowledged that the evidence was overwhelming of what the president did and the presidential misconduct and they give no remedy for the fact that the administration will draw this out for months and months, if we choose to litigate this

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CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield-20191124-19:13:00

going months and months on end litigating the matter. there's no guarantee of that. but i think that is entirely possible. ultimately, though, one thing is clear. because we have adduced so much evidence of guilt of this president, so much guilt of serious misconduct. any privilege the president would have would be vitiated by this crime fraud exception. that will give way. if it doesn't, to quote my colleague chairman nadler, it will mean either justice roberts or the supreme court itself is not really a conservative justice or court, merely a partisan one, and i have to hope that that's not the case for the country's sake. >> what do you say to people who say you're accusing the president of using his office for political reasons and abusing it, and you are making a decision based on politics itself in the timing of this, it's going to take too long. other democrats have said they don't want to get in the way of

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