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seditious conspiracy, to interfere with the transfer of power and the political sense, and stewart rhodes i've always thought of as a midway point. he is not one of the people who overran the capital, he is not part of the mob. he is, in essence, command and control for a part of that mob and so the question that lingers is just how high do his tentacles reach. does he, for instance, should he choose to cooperate to try to limit the amount of time he spends in prison. seditious conspiracy carries a maximum penalty of 20 years. could he perhaps provide evidence about people who were in the willard wore rooms about roger stone? he bragged about connections to the secret service, so there is a wealth of information here that he could give to doj, for some sort of cooperation deal could be worked out after trial. whether that will actually happen remains to be seen. >> he is a true believer, and has been.
outer at a middle school football game and one player is being praised for his heroic actionings during the terrifying moments. [video playing] >> run, mr. willard, get down. >> ashley: that brave 13 year old and the teacher he saved both join us to sar their amazing story, stick around for that.
mom or anybody. >> ashley: two of the slain victims were bartenders, they have a suspect in custody as they continue to investigate the attack as a hate crime. >> todd: 15-year-old football player being hailed a hero for protecting his teacher during a terrifying moment when gunfire breaks out at the school's championship game and it was all caught on video. watch. [indiscernible] [video playing] >> down, down. [screaming] >> mr. willard, i got your phone, run, mr. willard. get down, mr. willard. get down. >> todd: wow, joining me is that brave football player along with his teacher. bobby, how scary was that
get down, mr. willard. >> todd: the boy and his teacher were on earlier to discuss this terrifying moment. >> very scary, i've never been through anything like that. they were proud of me and said they would have a reward for me for my action. >> bobby had spent the last hour and 15 minutes being a part of that team, he was still part of that team and i was part of his team at the time. >> todd: what a great takeaway, there will be an award ceremony for his bravery. >> ashley: violence out of control in new orleans. the university medical center paid $20 million to treat victims of gun crimes and the crisis is showing no signs of slowing down with the city seeing 29% increase in gun homicide over the past year. what is the mayor doing? facing an fbi probe for spending more than $230,000 on image
did they stay at the willard in a luxury suite? >> reporter: classic, classic clip. as abe area gal, i can relate to that. i know you can appreciate that as well. >> after some investigative reporting, that, yes, chocolate and chip both had an evening stay at the willard hotel where they were treated luxuriously before their big moment here at the white house this morning. they both grew up on a north carolina farm. now that they have received their presidential pardons, they will both head to north carolina state university where they will live out the rest of their luxurious days. it's been tradition here at the white house, time-honored one in the past that sometimes just one turkey gets the official pardon and then the other one sort of gets to go for the joyride as well. today the president pardoned both of them. chocolate is the one you see up there actually on the table there. and the president even tried to interview his feathered friend
went down there themselves they're the ones in the soup. all would be conspiracy liability people who made an agreement and did something in furtherance of that agreement starting with trump. you go from the willard room to the people who went down to georgia to brief them with a load of ma larky. that all forms the basis and i'm sure they're investigating it at the doj whether or not they get a referral for potential conspiracy liability for specifically georgia, which by the way, dove tails some with what is going on in fulton county where some of the same figures have been made to testify and have taken the fifth, like giuliani. >> it's just amazing. the more that comes out, the more incriminating it all is. thank you for your reporting on this and joining us today. harry, thank you for helping us make sense of all of it. a quick break for us. up next we look ahead to
governor's race in new york that's a whole separate ball game for him. . >> like kershner, that's an important point to that anybody just made, it's just that steve bannon is now facing the state charges that -- in the final days of the trump administration. >> yeah, and let's not forget, he was in the willard war room and he was part of the war council as it's been referred to, that is working feverish we try to find a way to keep donald trump installed, unlawfully, unconstitutionally in the presidency. so i have to believe lawrence that the department of justice and merrick garland are digging into that and i don't think steve bannon is out of the woods, yes he has the bogus we will build the wall foundation, but i think he has criminal
moment this is all the justice department had was the sinister meter. he's facing prosecution in new york, no one can pardon him out of that, unless he wins the governor's race in new york that's a whole separate ball game for him. . >> like kershner, that's an important point to that anybody just made, it's just that steve bannon is now facing the state charges that -- in the final days of the trump administration. >> yeah, and let's not forget, he was in the willard war room and he was part of the war council as it's been referred to, that is working feverish we try to find a way to keep donald trump installed, unlawfully, unconstitutionally in the presidency. so i have to believe lawrence that the department of justice and merrick garland are digging into that and i don't think steve bannon is out of the
to another colleague at willard. so i think that's where the committee really wants to go. they want to end this with donald trump was not a victim of parallel action. he wanted the election to go his way. and the crowd did too. they want to show that there is circumstantial evidence, at least, that almost trump was directing the traffic. >> does this say of anything about -- does this offer any sort of argument against the whole idea that january 6th was just some spontaneous event? >> i mean, absolutely. i think that's exactly what they're trying to unpack. and remember the stand back and stand by. i mean, there's so many different pieces to this puzzle that once you kind of take a step back and look at the overarching picture, including that this conspiracy, according to what we just saw, may go back to july, even before the election, the firing of chris krebs for saying that it was a -- safest election ever. trump's comments about the proud boys during the debates. all these things seem to be points in the same direction. >> nick, listen to this. cnn has obtained text messages that show retired army colonel phil walter, an early promoter of election related conspiracy theories, reaching out to chief
that is my sense based on the signals that we are getting at this point. >> carol, some of these people named are very familiar names, and they are very close to trump. dan scavino, bernard kerik, does that mean that they are getting closer to the man himself? they can't claim their low level water boys. >> those people are right next to him. the willard room operators, essentially, the folks who were pushing at the very top for the electors program. bernie kerik, a very close person to julie henry -- we know much in this investigation, and now bernie kerik is being asked for all kinds of records, and being required to turn over information of his own personally. he was very critical in helping push the big lie, and to work as the deputy of rudy is essentially to be the principal deputy to donald trump. that's a good question. the same with scavino, although i have to say that the scavino