donald trump trump before he was president it's such a powerful moment because everyone can identify with a family being afraid. >> i couldn't agree more. we believe in speaking fact, not fiction. i think that words matter and i think that the current administration should be more concerned about the rhetoric that they put out there. but i do agree with her and again, she's a mother and i think any mother can relate to ha. >> how frustrating was it for you -- valerie jarrett was on earlier in the week and i asked her the same thing regarding -- she was on to talk about the book, just how frustrating it was working in the administration and hearing just that lie over and over from this man when there was no proof about the birther conspiracy and on and on and then just ginning up all of this anger and hatred and racial resentment in the country. >> it was painful. it was frustrating. you know, though mrs. obama has said when they go low, we go