often replace meat because they're cheaper and they grow everywhere. >> and then the tomato. >> yeah, maybe for one hour so it's more dense. >> right. what kind of pasta you using? >> this one is like a macaroni. >> of course, homemade fresh-cut macaroni. what else? and it wouldn't be a norma without salty baked ricotta on top. >> what do you think? >> i love it. i love it. it's so simple. it's so delicate. >> thank you. >> oh my god, it's so good. >> for the next dish, roberta has promised me something special. >> so we have donkey carpaccio. >> i never imagined or anyone else eating donkey. >> it's a donkey? >> yes. >> it was a donkey? >> yes. it's a kind of donkey that we have only in sicily.