another reason. but thinks about boys an girls and young men and women. it's hard enough growing up in ad adolescence. this really complicates thing. people wonder and worry how to talk and how to act. >> martha: surely you felt sympathy for chrstine blasey ford when she described her heartfelt feelings about what she has been through. >> i did. i think she is a troubled person. pretty clearly troubled person. obviously haunted by this. but i think she believes what she is saying. i don't think she is lying. she genuinely believe it happened. i think something -- maybe somebody did happen to her. but i don't think it's kavanaugh. people keep saying this is not a court of law. why do we have a presumption of innocence? law borrows from the moral life. law is the witness of the moral deposit of our life.