debate. and i just repeatedly asked him, kristen, about where this campaign goes. i've been covering trump for -- since early 2015, and my sense is this is the most wistful he's been and also most defiant. fully aware as he watches tv in his apartment how the story is unfolding and unfolding in a negative way for him with party defections. at the same time, my conversation with trump revealed trump thinking this is just another instance where he has to come back. he talked about the john mccain incident for 2015 when he disparaged the arizona senator. he said he was able to come back from that. and then he said something kind of broad. he said, you know, in life i've been through life. life is interesting. life is about fighting back. and so i was really pressing him, are you going to quit? and he said, you have my word, i'm not quitting. i don't quit, i have never withdrawn. >> and robert, we have had this conversation so many times over the course of the past 16 months. is this the moment that sinks