we want these documents by october 7th. that's a week ago. two more testifying today and two more tomorrow. here it is the middle of october 14th they have got nothing so are they going to get slow played or dragged into the courts or just wait until this thing fizzles out? two things they can do. one, as whitney said before they can send this case over to doj. at that point it's not congress's decision. it's-maker garland's decision whether to bring charges. they can bring them both into court and require them to testify. the members of the committee said we'll use every tool at our disposal. now is the sometime for them to do that. >> gloria, this tactic to muck everything up in the courts, delay, delay, delay, that has worked for trump and his allies all along and this has been a good strategy for them in the past. how could it be different this time? >> the difference is that the democrats control the congress and the democrats control the white house and the attorney general is not barr. it's-maker garland. now, again, nobody knows