big -- i'm not a big person for the death penalty or anything like that or revenge for jodi, but i think that punishments are not really "punishments." they are preventative things for the rest of society to stay in line. >> doctor, this trial became something of a spectacle since january and yesterday when the verdict was read, there were hundred dollars of people by the courthouse and a big cheer went up. as a friend, what was it like to see the spectacle surrounding this case? >> well, as a matter of fact, i was asked to interview several times, because travis called me his arizona dad, and i knew him pretty intimately and loved him. he went on vacations with us and everything, and i felt -- myself, i felt more of a sigh of relief. like, okay, travis. i think the world can now know who you are and not just all about jodi, and i stayed away