say that that fact, that we've been there 20 years, the collapse of the afghan government and the afghan military is just more evidence that the american people, american service members, no matter how brave, no matter how val valorous, they were never going to be able to stabilize afghanistan and this shows that the u.s. is correct in leaving? >> well, jake, there's a political slogan, end endless wars. that doesn't translate into a serious policy decision. and the real policy is this. you can't, as one party, end a war. it takes two parties to end a war, the taliban and the radical violent jihadists in the world haven't stopped fighting. they're going to continue to fight us. the war is not over. we're just no longer in a place where the war had its apex, where the taliban was able to allow al qaeda to grow and attack us on 9/11. we went to afghanistan because we got attacked on 9/11 and lost