organization like this go for comments but mulvaney has said heinous casualties like osama the next phase? you talked about how al qaeda from the beginning that he was bin laden, or you name it, or going to handle some of the other operations in the white evolved into al qaeda in iraq, house. japanese opponents, or nazis, you have al qaeda in yemen. he was going to let -- >> he's doing a bang-up job. isis is doing the same thing. why we didn't talk that way? you have isis splinter groups in >> he is going to let trump by north africa, isis splinter trump and we have seen where >> or quadafi in libya, for that has gotten us. groups in afghanistan. coming up on "morning joe," so the killing of al baghdadi example. in every case, joe, the problem from the house democrats himself, while is obviously leadership, iraq war veteran here is there's that internal symbolic, is not necessarily congressman anthony brown joins desire to kind of take a victory tactical in the sense it's going us. plus, the former point to destroy the organization. lap, but it's counterproductive. person in the coalition to and i've said this before, it comes across as defeat isis, brett mcgurk, is bullets and bombs kill un-professional. it's spiking the ball in the end terrorists. our guest. they don't defeat terrorism. "morning joe" is back in a moment. "morning joe" is back in a zone. and here's the real problem. we're losing big picture moment skin sin #17... questions of what are we going it's motivational for the other to do in the region to defeat in ideology or refrain it from side. >> yes. >> some will make the argument, expanding? and i think the president in his it's a deterrent. i don't think so. speech, in his comments, and to the point about the dogs, just i think that that tape will be added more recruitment to the played, particularly that image of the dog in the arab world, is fire because you're going to have a lot of people say this is how this symbolic leader of the well-known as an extremely evock organization died, according to the president, and that's going to be used to generate another tive, negative and that i think will be a recruiting tool that extremists who will be more the islamic state uses on the internet and i think for the vicious not just going after the united states but their proxies

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