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is the idea of pence's statement this time around. requires a response. and the in the absence of a response, the absence of apology is in itself a response, or refusal to acknowledge something, is that, and again, it's a glancing blow but at that point, is that intentional you think by pence in terms of getting a response and wanting, one or asking if he'll get one? >> look, i don't think anything that mike pence says about donald trump is that not intentional. but to kevin, point until you have leaders of the republican party out there driving the message that this guy is not qualified to be president, that he should be seen as having taken himself out of consideration, there is no mechanism to disqualify somebody from seeking public offices, just because they're an abuser, and their character is deficient. that is about driving a message that persuades voters to see that way, until you have folks on the right notches dipping their toes on the water to say let's see how the base is gonna react to, this but really taking the situation in hand and saying it is my mission to make sure that the base believes that this guy is the costs qualified, you're gonna see round after round of this. and i do think just in terms of the crop out after calk, out how many times has donald trump, accidentally had dinner with a left wing radical? one is that ever happened? >> you just mentioned that's the biggest hack to the problem, here we are again, donald trump kicking, driving the new cycle. and everyone else reacting to it. if you want to be the 2024 menomonie in side the republican party, and you're not donald trump. you have to get out of this vicious cycle of just t cand ththe last th is this 2016, 2020 reductions.it respontrum news cycle sta, an clip, because i and i do sense chang truand f - say something, at leas bu >> th the repu and i'll letthat, bu clea>> now, of cou may be very cbecaushe b georgihow it all pans o im reeling from one af gunm beings in a racist shooting, in a buffalo supermarket, in a mostly black neighborhood, today has pleaded guilty. and some of those victims, they are not happy about, this will