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campaign. but i can't really find a single issue that is moved more towards jonelle trump versus four years ago than this particular issue. again, when you're dealing with something that's now one of the nation's top problems according to the american public. and an issue that's moving very much towards the former president. you can definitely see why the current president, joe biden, felt like he needed to act. because at this particular point, the issue of border security and immigration is truly hurting joe biden's reelection chances and the last question just, is there any sort of backlash against republicans from immigrant communities for their stance on immigration? >> what does that look like? >> yeah, i think there are a lot of democrats who had been hoping that the rhetoric that what they see as harsh rhetoric or harsh rhetoric against immigrant communities might cause a backlash, might cause immigrant voters perhaps to ship over towards the democratic column that has not been happening. in fact, this is one of the wildest sort of paul numbers that i've seen who us voters born outside the