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welcome to "the whole story." i'm anderson cooper. artificial intelligence, or a.i., is an incredibly powerful technology which may change many aspects of our lives. the ceo of google's parent company, alphabet, which has invested heavily in it, recently said ai's impact could be more profound than electricity or even fire. but many worry about what that impact might turn out to be. >> could ai one day replace humans? and if so how might that happen? we've already seen some service-based and manufacturing jobs turn to ai in a big way. but what about other industries? can ai replace journalists or news anchors? perhaps it already has. >> because what you just saw and heard a moment ago was not actually me. this is me, anderson cooper. >> and i am an ai-generated anderson cooper. >> that wasn't my real voice, and i never spoke the words you just heard. we asked a young student in california to create a fully end to end ai version of me. looks like me, sounds like me, and it didn't take him very long to do it. >> this ai version of me was created in just a few weeks, actually, with open source tools. >> and remember, this technology is still in its infancy. it's only going to get better, faster and more accurate, which raises all sorts of questions. like how will we know what's real? >> and what is not. >> not just when it comes to believe what you see on tv but everything from creating art, fighting wars, even waging political campaigns. over the next hour cnn's nick watt brings us inside the race to develop ai and the attempts to contain it. > lookingng for a g good spo pull ovever. >> you thihink this is o our c ? > yeah.h. > i g guess the first tesest whether r it runs meme ovever. >> statart ride. >> s so that's the vieiew i'm getting frfrom the bacack seat. that wheelel m moving g with n . look, mum, no handnds. this i is s freaky. >> reporter:r: this s robot tax alreready y roaming the streete san frfrancisco gigives us a v good i idea of whehere we e are. >> p pretty cool. if you canan get past the weird emptpty driverer's seaeat. >> repororter: and w where we m bebe goioing. many ai algogorithms alrlready behaveve, well, , kind o of hum. >> in californiaia obvioiously cacan turn rigight on red. and itit's tryrying to turn n r. itit's going t to do it.t. gogo on, m mate. go on. nice. >> reporter: the flesh and blood driver that used to sit here is already obstaolete. >> this is our future. humans sitting in the back seat doing nothing. >> reporter: some humans are scared, some trying hard to stop it. for now humansns are stitill in control ofof ai and ththis cab. there's a a human supervisor in call center.r. >> c can you tell that h he's n wearing hihis seatat b belt pro? >> yes, correct. >> reporter: but for how long? that's where much of ai is at the moment, imperfect and speeding ahead without a seaeat bebelt. likeke it or not, this is our future. >> a higher being is driving the car. >> reporter: for hundreds of thousands of yearsrs humans hah been the mosost intelllligent bs onon this eartrth. nonot for muchch lononger. we're e creating tech h that wi takeke us well beyond self-drivg cars. tech that will oututsmart us al. will ai save us or will ai kill us? >> wororld wide onone e of the g exexperts in a artificial l intelligigence.. pleaease welcome t to the stage >> todayay this quieiet canadia headadlining an n ai summit in montreal.. without t him thisis revolutioi woululd not be where it is. so today he wears a slightly nervous smile. >> govovernments n need to pror all of us with tecechnology y w cocould be a amazingly useful a alsoso risky. >> reporter: yoshua bengio is a deep learning pioneer. thatat's basicalally t teaching computerers to behavave like hu brainsns. >> thehe stuff that you find in chatgpt, many of its major ingredients came from mila. >> reporter: mila, the montreal institute for learning algorithms f founded by bengngi the e '90s in the buildingng th wawas once a a clothe e ing fac. now w they produduce ideasas. algoririthms alreaeady changini humanityty. >> thehere are goioing to be machines t that are e way smart thanan youou. >> if we c choose soso andnd w destroy civilization before ththat, we couould get there, y. >> what t is the biggest fear? it's humumans ususing g this tetechnology o or humans losini control ofof thihis s technonol. >> they'y're both valid fefears. for the e foreseeablble fututur going to b be humansns doingng thinings with powerful t techno like they have done in the past. but now more powerful tetechnology.. it's alslso concnceivable e tha sosome point w we cocould d los contntrol. and d that's potentiallyly even worse. >> if you'u're scared,d, whyhy you u just shut t up shop and d becocome a farmer? your r research cocould be contriributing to o the end ofo of us. >> i'm asking that question myself every morningng. >> ricich enough statate space essentiaially. >> y yes. >> i i wonder if t there's a wa like maybe chahange the perspectivive -- >> why i'm continunuing g right is i in part because i t think itit is possible to builild ai syststems that w would be e tot safe a and increredibly useful. >> repororter: but i if ai does rogue e terminator style, we lo control or more likely we just program it badly, there could be unintended b but indndelible consequeuences. >> let's make sure that we fix climate change. if that's the objective that the machine has, fix climate change, okay, well, i guess who's causing the climate change? humansns. easiest waway, end the humanan . right? >> stewartrt russell i is anoto godfather of artificial intelligence. he literally wrote the textbook on ai. >> my first ai program i wrote in high school, which was about 48 yeaears a ago. >> repeporter: 48 years later mt ai systems can do single things better thahan us. recognize a face, play chess. >> what we're aiming towards in ai is general purpose aiai, meanining ai sysystems that t c anything that human bebeings ca do. >> reporter: one system that can learn, even teach itself to do anything, everything better than us. >> ai i would say probably definitely is going to just completely upend our entire sort of economic structure and how we've seen things for centuries if not millennia.. >> y yep. >> repeporter: at beberkeley rul leads a a small armymy of researchchers. at the center for human compatible artificial intelligence. >> given that it's going to be more powerful than human beings, how do you ensure that humans have power over r it forevever? >> that's s the questionon that we're working on. >> reporter: russell and many other tech leaders called in march for a global pause on deployoying advancnced a ai sys while we figure out the guardrails. there has been no such pause. >> the problem is right now it's people like you who are soft-spoken intellllectuals makg this point and signing these letters. >> yeah, it doesn't seem like a fair fight. bubut i would d say the tenonor discusussion has c changed radically.y. people a are l listening. even sam altman, the c ceo of f openai which produces chatgpt and all these systems, has called for regulation. >> do the right thing for humanity. >> my worst fears are that we cause e significanant -- we tht field, t the technolology, the industryry cause sigignificant to the world. we wanant to worork with t the gogovernment t to prevent that happening. >> reporter: in the summer altman and other big ai players agreed to voluntary regulations like running security tests before releasing ai systems. president biden, among other things, just made such tests mandatory. >> let me be clear. this e executive o order repepr bold act, but we still n need congreress to act.t. >> you're optimisticic. >> i'm optimisistic. > reporter:r: just acroross y from bererkeley in downtown san francisco o i met 26-y-year-oldx wang, , one ofof the tech leada fueleling the ai armrms rarace. > i starteded the comompany was 1919. > t that takekes someme ball. >> what went t through m my hea the tetechnology i is going to so fasast that i'm'm goingng toy reregret it ifif i don't get involved. >> reporter: he is co-founder and ceo of scale ai. his big idea? to provide ai developers with the one thing they need, massive amounts of data organized. in 2022 "forbes" dubbed him the youngest self-made billionaire in the world. he's now working with the department of defefense. arouound washington he's known an ai whisperer. >> we want to be sure to not overregulate the technology because if we accidentally overregulate we could, you know -- we could damage or hurt decades s and decades of econom progress and decades and decades of innovation. >> i don't know you. you seem like a nice person. but it's people like you who are young, who are wealthyhy, who a set to make a lot more money from this tech. why should we believe that you really are in this for all of us at this crucial moment for our species? >> well, ultimately, i think this is one of the reasons why working with the u.s. government is actually so critical. because you know, our government has a number of mechanisms and checks and balances and procedures and it was designed to ensure that the government ultimately reflects the will and the desires of the people. one of the things that i'm most concerned about are bad actors utilizing artificial intelligence to ultimately exert their will globally. authoritarianism versus democracy. we have a number of countries, china and russia, investing aggressively into using artificial intelligence to further their aims. >> fivive or ten y years from n hohow differenent is ourur w wog to look because of ai in terms of our everyday lives and in terms of the geoeopolitical structure of our planet? >> i think the quote goes we always overestimimate what will happen in one year but underestimate what will happen in ten y years. when it gets really embedded into evevery way -- evevery funn of humanitity, e everything tht happens, i thinknk it'll be qui shockingng and amazizing what t worlrld wiwill look like. >> reporter: you might be asking, so what will my world lolook like? well, stayay tuned. and we'll show youou. >> thahat's someththing that w popossible befefore. >> do you ever wondeder r that you're i in dangerer of sort of losing touch with what's real and what's not? >> well, i did that a couple months ago.. we're entering this time where anything you see, read or hear online can bebe fake. and whatat does thatat mean? nothing isis real anymymore. thisis interviewew isn't reaeal. i'm nonot real. you're notot real. >> reporter: hani farid really is a berkeley professor. his main focus, misinformation. >> a politician getting caught saying something inappropriate on hot mike, it's fake. you don't have to cop to it. >> where does that leave us as -- >> as a society, as a democracy. >> as a human being. >> yeah. i don't know. how do you have a democracy? if we can't trust the basic facts of what's happening in the world. >> today is today and yesterday was today yesterday. >> you revert back to tribalism. this is my people. i trust them. i listen to what do my triribe say.y. and that is dangerous. >> w we're on the precipice of e election. >> oh, [ bleep ] me. >> you're already seeing deep fakes entering into the election. >> i've realized i i need to dr out of this race immediately. >> closed the city of san francisco this morning -- >> there are people, by the way, who say well, we don't really think that can change an election. and i will remind people that in the last two elections, national elections the difference between one candidate and the other can be measured in tens of thousands of votes. i know exactly what town to go into in what state and what persona to go after and i can carpet bomb them with misinformamation all day long. i move 80,000 votes that's the ball game. >> so what do we do? you're the man -- >> there are some things we can do but they're hard. okay. we build what are called behavioral models. and then when a video is released of president biden, try the e head, the e upper bodydy e vovoice and wewe just compmpare. is this behaviorally the same as what we have seen? >> reporter: it takes time, and the damage might already have been done. >> a fake image of a pentagon bombing was uploaded to twitter on a verified account that looked like bloomberg news, and in two minutes the stock market dropped a half a trillion dollars. from a single fake image. so we're in the detection business, understand. right? we're in the business of trying to defend against this harmful content. but to do that you have to understand what is possible. >> this looks much better. >> doesn't it? ? yeah, it looks much better than yesterday. >> reporter: enter f farid's prototege, matti bohacek. 18 years old, fresh from his native czech republic. his fascscination n with ai bro him to california. he convinced professor farid to take him on. >> oh, yeah. that's so sweet. >> he's a tech guy. he's supposed to look kind of rumpled. >> reporter: matti with his mentor's guidance made that anderson cooper deep fake you watched a few minutes ago. >> we used one of the online tools that's out there. we basically trained a m model synthesize voice and in particular anderson cooper's style. and we just gave it a text and in a couple of seconds we had the peperfect audio. >> we've already seen some service-based -- >> reporter: you just graduated high school. >> yeah, that's right. three weeks ago. >> reporter: you're too young but you might remember, when the news anchor was the voice of god and you believed in everything that anchor said. and now any high school kid, no offense, can put words into that anchor's mouth. >> let alone a president or a ceo or you or me. >> i think in china they're using -- i just read the article. completely virtual newscasters now. >> an english artificial intelligence anchor. >> reporter: if an 18-year-old can dodo this, imamagine what a bibig-time holollywood p player do with h ai? >> what t you're l looking at hi think is the studio of the future. it's how we make movies, how we go about doing it is changining. > what's itit going to meanae sisitting on m my la-z-boyoy? >> yeah. yoyou'll get better ---- youou' betterer movies. >> repeporter: scocott mann dird "f"four," a bibig hit wiwith th teteenage crowowd. prerelelease to avoioid an r ra he had t to get t rid of thehe cursing.g. >> stealaling my [ [ bleep ] ca. > no,o, you mother [ bleep p! >> repeporter: reshoototing tht momovie withthout t the swearind hahave cost lolots of time a an money. ththey didn't t have to.o. thanks to o ai this. >> now w we're stuck on n this ststupid [ bleep ] ] tower i in mimiddle of [ bleeeep ] ] nonow. >> reporteter: became e this. > now we're s stuck on n thi stupid frickining towewer in th middlele of frickiking nowherer. >> repororter: the t tech devel by flawlesess ai foundeded by y and tech b biz insiderer nick l inin 2018. >> we can n take new dialogue spoken by this actress, by jenny, and because the system understands how she speaks, we're able to create new mouth articulations for that line. >> reporter: remember, hollywood went on strike in part over fears ai algorithms would steal actorsrs' images a and perfofor. mann is not dodoing thatat.. >> o once this i is created --- >> repororter: the actors are e involvlved. theyey voice thehe new lines. they j just don't alall haveve out and reshoot to get rid of a cuss word or fix a flaw. >> i mean, you are not a tech guy. you are not a business guy. >> i'm sorryry, maybe i i just a strokeke on my wayay over her. >> repororter: i did a film m cd "heist," and i saw a foreign dub of that movie. [ speaking in a non-english language ] and that's when i realized films are being ruined every time they are dubbed. and it kinind of set me ofoff o bit of an adventurure to try t fifigure out a a way t to fix i. so over r here t the guyuys are workrking on a movieie called " sweetnesess," an incncredible m that's's in swedish.h. >> repororter: thanknks to this tetech mann wiwill releasese th origininal " "ufo swedenen" but englisish. >> youou're one blblack mark a fromom youth cusustody and you toto hang out t with thosese id again? > i want toto get to o what in a s second but t while e we' ththis big picturere, ththere's thing wantnt to ask you. [ speakiking in a nonon-english languagege ] >> uh, yes. >> but we are at the stage or we will soon be at the stage where actually the entire creative process is taken over by ai? >> i would say no. the really good movies typically tap into some kind of human exploration. it's born from feeling, and you're delivering feeling. and the one thing ai can't do is feel. it's not human at the end of the day. >> i it can be traineded to fee like us, no? >> no, it can bebe trained to emulate us. you know, the base human instinct you could say is survival. the less ai has feelings that relate into that notion, i don't think that it's ever going to be like us. >> it clclearly has tatapped in primal fear in us as humans. it's basically t tapped into ou survival instinct. >> yeah. rightly so. therere's enormous g good that come out o of ththis, done r ri. > reporter:r: next -- > i always said to my family that i would walk again. first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. ♪ we came to lauausanne, switzerland on thehe very bonni banks ofof lake geneva t to div into some e ai optptimism. to m meet two memedical l piono. bubut -- >> youou should d go and savave someone'e's life. >> okakay. yes, i'm goingng.. >> reporter: she was sidetracked by emergency brain surgery. we'll get back to them both inia miminute. wewe were alsoso sidetrackcked lausanne, also by sosomething g potetentially lifefe-saving. far from t the old town in a a bubuilding thahat looks like a schoolol gymymnasium, we found . >> it's a talk-a-mac. >> talk-a-mac. >> reporter: been around since the soviets had an idea in the 195050s. but t no h human on earth has managed to make a talk-a-mac really work. but these physicists are partnerered with g google deep , one of thehe most advavanced ais in the world. and now ththink that they cacan finalllly crcrack it. >> thehe idea is to rereproduce sound d on eararth, to proroduc enenergy. > with ai there is s a chanc do it withthin 10, 2 20 years. >> r reporter: t to heat plasma 150 million degrees celsius to initiaiate nuclearar f fusion, create neaear endlesess clcleanp and sasafe power. there's ththe plasmama. magnets s must stotop p it touc the sisides of thehe conontaine. ththe magnets s need constant tweakingng. >> humanans cannotot d do it in timeme. everytything is hahappening g s. > but the ai can? >> the ai definitely can. >> repororter: ai mighght now b able to save our world frorom a fofossil fueled fatete. >> whahat are the e areas thata see riright nonow w of the moso benenefit? >> i i would sayay health anand envivironment. it couould be e that in 2020 ye we've curered prettyty much h a diseseases. i'm not saying it's s hahappeni it is s going to h happen. but there's ththat kind of potential.l. >> repororter: so baback t to t suave medical pioneeeers and thr seeminingly impossible dreamam. >> to haveve someone coming tot this hospital paralyzed and walking out of thihis hospspita normally. > so explplain to m me e who whwhat here.e. you'rere the surgeonon. >> i'm thehe sururgeon. >> a and i'm thehe neuroscienti. >> reporter: and hurtjan oxen is a determined dutchman. paralylyze nad bicicyc

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